OPERATION SIGN 83

At their foundation, sporting events are supposed to move, inspire and entertain. Last night, Oiler fans were moved to roll their eyes, inspired to nod off, and entertained by the Oilers “Duck Soup on ice” routine we’ve seen many times this season. The Corgi’s show David Perron, Ales Hemsky, Sam Gagner and Jordan Eberle all above 50% among forwards, and Jeff Petry, Martin Marincin and Anton Belov at 50% or more. Taylor Hall was at 36% (what’s going on with that guy?) and the fourth line was cruising along at 33%. Yowza.

What can we take from this game? Not much, really. I’m inclined to agree with the coach.

  • Dallas Eakins: “It was quite amazing watching this game the number of players falling down with nothing going on around them and passes going behind players. It was firmly two teams coming off of a long break.”

The Oilers were showcasing players, the players spent some time running around and some more time in the ditch, and the Minnesota Wild is a better, more structured team with actual NHL players on every line and pairing. So, yeah.

OPERATION SIGN HEMSKY

I’ve guessed that Hemsky will fetch a second and a fourth at the deadline, but others have chimed in and the situation is apparently more dire than a second and a fourth.

yost hemskycordell hemskyThis is a great test for Craig MacTavish. The offer is a third round pick? Pass on the opportunity and spend the next several months trying to talk Hemsky into a two year deal at $3.5M per season. Now, he may have tried it already but for me the value of that third round pick doesn’t come close to the value of keeping Pardubice’s most exciting export around another two years.

I know this runs counter to what many believe, and I know selling Edmonton’s future is a tough sell, but this guy can help a hockey team. And if the other GMs aren’t going to pay for the pleasure of his brilliance, screw ‘em. Screw every damn one of them! Why crown a king when he’s too stupid to see what’s in front of him?

No sir.

The Oilers were awful last night, that’s nothing. I’ve seen awful one hundred times and awful doesn’t scare me at all. What DOES scare me? Trading actual NHL players for draft picks this far into a rebuild. Craig MacTavish has been on the job for less than a year, but Taylor Hall has been swinging a hammer in the hot sun for four long years and it’s breaking his back.

  • Fact: In July of 2011, Steve Tambellini traded Andrew Cogliano to Anaheim for a 2013 second-round draft pick. That selection (Marco Roy) is in the QMJHL and years away from the NHL (although he does look like an excellent prospect). Cogliano has played in 190 regular season NHL games since being traded, and is about to score 20 goals in a season for the first time. He’s taken a step forward with the Ducks and is a useful NHL player.

Let’s assume the best, that Roy arrives in pro hockey this fall (he is eligible, I believe) and makes the Oilers as a regular in the fall of 2016. The lag in real time will be five years—FIVE YEARS—where a useful roster player was made unavailable due to one transaction. And that’s if it works out!

Sign Ales Hemsky. Today. I believe Craig MacTavish is a smart man and know it’s the right thing to do. Sign the man.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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 10 this morning, TSN 1260. It’s going to be a rocking show, scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports. Trade deadline, run to the playoffs, and a final look at the Olympics.
  • Steve Dangle, Leafs Nation. We’ll talk deadline, Jason Smith trade, and how is Clarkson doing in Toronto?
  • Zsolt Munoz, Copper and Blue. Oilers last night, at the deadline and in the summer.
  • FC Edmonton, getting ready for the season!
  • Jungle Jim Hunter, the Olympics and Canada’s success.

10-1260 via text, @Lowetide_ on twitter. See you on the radio.

 

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116 Responses to "OPERATION SIGN 83"

  1. RBB says:

    Look into Lady Jo’s eyes and tell me that LT doesn’t speak the truth.

  2. Ben says:

    Of course, Hemsky would have to want to sign that deal. This team has kept him out of the playoffs from the ages of 22-30…and he is a big-game player.

    I hate the “body-language” shit as much as anyone around here…but…Hall. Man. Just looks like a petulant toddler when a play or a call doesn’t go his way, and is soft as cashmere on the puck in his own zone. The dude needs what all of our young guys have been crying out for — a legitimate, skilled, experienced mentor (an Andreychuk/Brind’Amour type). Then again – what doesn’t this team need?

  3. WeirsBeard says:

    I don’t really see the downside to signing Hemsky from the team point of view. In that 3 mil range who can you get that’s better? Even if the offense doesn’t return you can run him as a hard match shutdown guy with Gordon.

    What I’d really like to see is MacT add this deadline. Hopefully, the next Pisani.

  4. frjohnk says:

    Can we compare the Cogliano trade vs a possible Hemsky trade properly?

    Cogilano was not an unrestricted free agent when he was traded. When traded to the Ducks, his value was a mid 6 player with a few years before becoming a UFA.
    Hemsky is going to be an unrestricted free agent at the end of this year. His value is a mid 6 player with about 20 games before becoming a UFA.

    On the surface, Cogliano should fetch way more than Hemsky

    Crazy thing is that Hemsky could possibly fetch more than Cogliano as the deadline can produce some crazy “how they hell did that UFA get so much back” moments.

    Like
    In 2012

    Paul Gaustaud a third line center who had 17 points in 56 games along with a 4th round pick returned a first round pick in 2012.

    Last year

    Jordan Leopold from the Buffalo Sabres for a 2013 2nd round draft pick and a conditional 2013 4th round pick.
    Robyn Regehr from the Buffalo Sabres for a 2014 2nd round draft pick and a 2015 2nd round draft pick
    Derek Roy from the Dallas Stars for prospect Kevin Connauton and a 2013 2nd round draft pick.

    If the oilers retain some of Hemsky’s salary, I believe he could get a late first rounder, or a second and a middling prospect.

  5. blackdog says:

    Agree with every word LT and there may be no bigger Ales fan than I but why would he sign here?

    Unless his agent says that nobody has any interest in him at all there is no reason for him to sign on for another two years with this tire fire. Why would anyone unless they had no choice?

    I think we’re a year away, if that, from guys under contract starting to ask out. And that is when we are the Chicago model alright. Wirtz edition.

  6. RT26 says:

    I would re-sign Hemsky without question. My bigger concern is around the lack of energy and apathy (my interpretation) in this team.

    We know the D is not strong enough to compete for the playoffs and all feel really good about RNH, Perron, Gordon and others. I would re-sign Hemsky for the 2nd line with Perron and a good #2 center or Arcobello/ Lander for the rest of the year.

    I think a major trade (Eberle or even Hall) might be needed to shake this team out of its apathy and to add the roster balance this team so desperately needs. The young talent has never learned how to win (if only Hall had been on the Olympic squad and witnessed their professionalism) and may be developing bad habits.

  7. LMHF#1 says:

    Andrew Ference continued his heroic streak of being on the ice for GAs last night.

    At what point is someone actually going to bring this up with Eakins? If I didn’t know any better I’d think the guy is a highly paid mole to keep the high draft picks coming.

    He missed the OT goal in Jersey. He’s been on for every GA other than that since his return from injury.

  8. wheatnoil says:

    If the Oilers aren’t exploring the option of signing Hemmer to a lower contract hit, shame on them. However, I can’t see a logical reason for Hemsky to sign. It would have to be purely emotional for him. As frustrating as it is, the Oilers have little to offer him… not guaranteed top 6 playing time, not a shot at the Cup, not money, and not term.

    If Hemsky would have to take a $2 million+ haircut to play 3rd fiddle right winger on a lottery team, why wouldn’t he try free agency and either get more money, more playing time, or a shot at the Cup? If we really love Hemsky (and boy do I wish him well after all he’s done for the Oilers) then I think we need to let him go. It would be better for him.

  9. Mr DeBakey says:

    the fourth line was cruising along at 33%. Yowza.

    Recall Marco Bello from Soonerville please.
    Right a wrong.

    Thank-you for listening

  10. sliderule says:

    Ference and Belov are catching it for the first two goals but the forwards deserve at least as much.

    On the first goal Nuge got confused at blue line and lost coverage tried to recover but too late..

    On the second goal Eberle was puck watching and Gagner in same area but neither picked up the shooter in slot.

    These guys are trying and getting to right areas but haven’t been drilled enough to look for the dangerous man.It is all on Eakins and his staff to run them thru drills so that it is automatic for the players and they shouldn’t have to think.

  11. Ducey says:

    I am sorry LT, but you are getting sentimental on this.

    Hemsky sleptwalked thru another game last night. Its time to stick a fork in him, he’s done.

    In his last 6 games, 0 points, -1, 4 shots.

    Not a big enough sample size for you? How about in the last 22 games he has 6 points with 29 shots. 6 freaken points, only one of which was a goal.

    It is not a matter of replacing Hemsky with a draft pick. The Oilers get the draft pick AND then replace Hemsky with someone else in the offseason.

    His points the last 5 yr are heading in a definite direction:

    09-10 1.00
    10-11 .89
    11-12 .52
    12-13 .52
    13-14 .45

    Signing a guy who clearly continues to decline to a two yr, $7 million dollar contract is going to as bad a value as the last two yr $10 million contract. Although the lockout has to be taken into account, that contract so far has resulted in 16 goals and 44 points. Total. For that money you would hope that the AVERAGE points per season would be well above that.

    The Oilers need value contracts. Arcobello has put up .439 p/g without the PP time, with more grit, and with worse team mates for a fraction of the cost.

    Arcobello + 3rd + cap space to add someone else > Hemsky

  12. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “Sign Ales Hemsky. Today. I believe Craig MacTavish is a smart man and know it’s the right thing to do. Sign the man.”

    I think the market is really confused about Hemsky. I think it might only be a 3rd, but it could also be a late 1st. Everyone is going to low-ball MacT, hoping he just wants to move on.

    Anything less than a late 1st or a really good prospect is pointless and represents MacT (and perhaps Hemsky) just wanting to move on (I blathered about this yesterday). This strikes me as plausible and stupid.

  13. linkfromhyrule says:

    so hall was bad last night by eye and by stats. Whole team seemed to be just not feeling it minus a select few. Hall looked just plain bad though.

    God I hate spector, can someone at sportsnet please reassign him to cover south korean hockey or something? I wonder if we can trade him to another sport. He’d definitely be the only one calling for more hitting in curling! His diatribe about petry not sticking up for his teammates was just plain idiotic. Hall was more than cooke could handle

  14. Racki says:

    Please, hockey Gords, no more Ales Hemsky. Definitely time to turn the page here. It’s not that I don’t like him, but there are so many players we can move in the top six and hope for improvement / more toughness / more consistency. The Oilers will likely lose a trade for Hemsky, sadly.. And I am not sure I could swallow a Hemsky for pick trade either. But that roster spot SHOULD get filled by a FA. I think we get more than a 3rd for Hemsky. As Jason Gregor said, Dominic Moore was trade 4 times now for 2nd rounders. Hemsky is obviously better than Moore.

  15. Racki says:

    You’d have to figure that these guys wouldn’t waive their ntc or nmc to come here, but how much more improved would the Oil be with Kesler in, Hemsky out, Ehrhoff in, (pick one) out?

    Wishful thinking.

  16. theres oil in virginia says:

    sliderule: Ference and Belov are catching it for the first two goals but the forwards deserve at least as much.
    On the first goal Nuge got confused at blue line and lost coverage tried to recover but too late.

    That’s how I saw it, too.

  17. DBO says:

    Is it collusion between player and team if MacT sits Ales down, says we want to sign you for X, but we will deal you now to a contender to help the team plus give you playoff experience you can bring back? yes I know that runs the risk of Hemsky never coming back, but wouldn’t it make more sense to give him a chance to come back and still get something for him? Yes he in undervalued elsewhere and overvalued by us, and yes we will not get what he is worth. but something is better then nothing, and as mentioned in a previous post it is really important to see what the young AHLers can do.

    Trade the vets and I guarantee we play better because the kids coming up will try their hardest to make an impression. Too many Oilers the past few years have not earned their spot but have been gifted their spot. That creates a huge issue mentality wise. We have glaring holes in the balance of this team. We do not even have the foundation of a great team because we lack 2 or the three key foundational ingredients (F, D, G). I am starting to wonder what one of Eberle, Yak or even Hall could net us. Moving Lindros set up the Avs for years. He was still the best player in the game for a period of time, but the Avs laid the foundation of a contender for a decade by that trade. No one will kill it like that deal, but conceptually the point remains true. What could Taylor Hall get you to balance out your team (look at Nash and Columbus. Hall is probably worth more, and Columbus added huge pieces to round out their team).

    Do you do:
    Hall and Schultz Sr.
    for
    Simmonds, Couturier and Coburn

    Then move Gagner for someone who fills another need. And go hard at a dman and 2 way winger in the off season

    (for you Alex)
    Perron-Nuge-Eberle
    Kulemin-Couturier-Yak
    Winnick-Gordon-Simmonds
    Smyth-Lander-Hendricks

    Coburn-Girardi/|Markov
    Marincin-Petry
    Ference-Schultz

  18. theres oil in virginia says:

    linkfromhyrule: God I hate spector, can someone at sportsnet please reassign him to cover south korean hockey or something? I wonder if we can trade him to another sport. He’d definitely be the only one calling for more hitting in curling! His diatribe about petry not sticking up for his teammates was just plain idiotic. Hall was more than cooke could handle

    I really don’t get why Spector is talked about like he’s the devil. I don’t agree with a lot of what he says, but he’s not the only one to point out that you don’t want Hall and Nuge mixing it up with thugs like Cooke, without any backup. I agree with that. The opinions regarding Spector are so polarized that reason has gotten washed out.

  19. Racki says:

    DBO,

    I don’t think it’s collusion as long as player is still with that team. I’m sure it also happens all the time. Hell, Vanek said this year he’d re-sign with NYI if they traded him. I think this is a good idea. And if Hemmer didn’t come back, I wouldn’t be crying over it.

  20. theres oil in virginia says:

    Racki,
    Makes sense to me. Why would you want to finish out the year with NYI, particularly not having any history with them? Next year’s a new ball game, and NYI ain’t the worst you could do.

  21. hunter1909 says:

    Of freaking course Hall’s going through the motions. He’s a supremely talented kid who was set to take over his very own NHL team and captain it before Dallas “Big Chief” Eakins arrived and tied the captain’s tail on third pairing on a good team Ference. Then Eakins fucks everything else up and lo and behold the team stinks.

    But, since Lowetide and others simply accept the fact that Katz is a Putz, Lowe is a fool but has tenure, and MacT is simply allowed to experiment with his serotonin depleted brain in his laconic manner, namely making his mind up in seconds about this and that…well folks the franchise is a heckuva lot more Atlanta Thrashers than anything resembling the 1975 Montreal Canadiens.

    It’s all good, however…so long as we keep bleating about 40 point Hemsky remaining to bolster the team’s bottom 6, while contributing jack shite to any winning culture. It’s not even a straw man anymore…it’s more like a bloody Wicker Man.

  22. gcw_rocks says:

    It’s time to move on. The Oiler suckage is not going to end anytime soon. Hemsky deserves better and shame on anyone who wants him to endure more of this clown show.

  23. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Geez, there has been a ton of ink spilled on discussing Hemsky the last couple weeks. Hemsky has been a professional and honest hockey player. He earned his pay over the years with nary a complaint. His time is now to really test his market value and I think its a high likelihood scenario he will. However, it seems a bit narrow to spend so much time talking about a bottom six player that is on the backside of the hill. Through the eyes of the experienced men managing NHL franchises, his market value has been tested (several times) and set and it isn’t an easter basket of value. Its a general shoulder shrug of disinterest. This is reality. Last nights game affirmed – once again – for me that dealing with structural change in the top 6 and top 4 back end and moving focus from tinkering in the periphery (where Hemsky now sits) is quickly in order. Hemsky continues to be a non-factor (last night and many games this season). This is not going to change.

    I’m now guilty of spilling ink on this discussion. But, let’s get to focusing on the stuff that really matters (like Eberle, Yak and our No. 1 pick in play). I’m ice cold afraid of going into next season with this core mix largely intact. That is such an empty and bleak feeling and I agree with what others have said…..some of those high picks that have been toiling for never ending bottom rung status are going to hanker for brighter environments if this competitive picture doesn’t adjust in a profound way – now..Just look at the exodus in Long Island for a snap shot of the potential future. Bleak..

  24. Racki says:

    hunter1909,

    This is some crazy over the top trollery, but there is definitely some truth in it. But people would probably accept it more if you toned down the douchebag a few notches.

  25. PaperKurtRussell says:

    Geez, I’m really on the fence regarding Hemmer. Will be interesting to see what MacT actually does. Honestly, the only guys I enjoyed watching last night were Yak and Hendricks. I really like what Hendricks is bringing to the table. That one play when he crashed the crease, he looked a lot like Titus Pullo from the HBO series Rome. Pretty much a spitting image. That would be a great nickname for him! (come on anyone who watched the show, back me up!!)

    http://romewiki.wikifoundry.com/page/Titus+Pullo

    Titus Pullo (played on HBO’s Rome by actor Ray Stevenson) is a ferocious lover of life, who possesses the courage and loyalty of a warrior, and the morality of a pirate. A man of huge appetites and wild passions, he is impulsive, unreflective, conceited, generous and brutal.

  26. fifthcartel says:

    Ehrhof available and then the clouds of the NTC dawn open us.

  27. art vandelay says:

    theres oil in virginia: I really don’t get why Spector is talked about like he’s the devil.I don’t agree with a lot of what he says, but he’s not the only one to point out that you don’t want Hall and Nuge mixing it up with thugs like Cooke, without any backup.I agree with that.The opinions regarding Spector are so polarized that reason has gotten washed out.

    Because he can’t be relied on to ball-slurp the Oilers. He’s old enough to remember when the Oilers were far-and-away the best team in the world. And he refuses to pretend that what we have now is just a temporary blip. Oiler fan prefers guys like Hockey Hall of Fame hack Jim Matheson, who glues together AP wire stores with ellipses, adds a quote from an Oiler flunky, sprinkles it with opinion, slaps his byline on it and calls it a day. Or they get bamboozled by that squinty-eyed weasel Staples and his love affair with “scientific proof” showing how the Oilers aren’t really the worst team in the NHL, 5×5 vs the Volhammer RelCorgi zone starts against soft opps.
    Oiler fan wants to be spoon-fed feel-good pablum by hacks. How else to explain the endurig popularity of that bloviator Bob Stauffer.

    I mean, check out Racki’s response to Hunter. Oiler fan can’t handle the truth.

  28. Ben says:

    Let’s say the Oil end up with the 2nd overall pick.

    What’s the trade value of that pick? You’d have to think it’s worth a #2 d-man, no? A Sean Couturier (with the Flyers stocked up the middle)?

    If something in the range of Couturier/Gudbrandson/Myers shakes loose for that pick straight up, you’ve gotta make that move.

  29. BrazilianOil says:

    Can Eberle bring back a real 1D ? and the 1st pick a 2D ? If the answer is yes, sign Hemsky and trade Eberle and the 1st and we will have a more balanced team.

  30. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    PaperKurtRussell,

    Ray Stevenson is a much bigger man I think.

    Rome was a lot of fun. His Punisher was pretty good too.

  31. hunter1909 says:

    BrazilianOil: Can Eberle bring back a real 1D ? and the 1st pick a 2D ? If the answer is yes, sign Hemsky and trade Eberle and the 1st and we will have a more balanced team.

    Great idea. Trade a 1st rate producing forward that 29 other teams would run a mile for on Sunday morning, in order to keep a declining injury prone 40 point selfish enigma.

    Re Last night’s abomination(game): Maricin reminds me of everything Smid was hyped as being. He’s a fantastic young defenceman.

  32. icecastles says:

    If they can resign Hemsky cheap, great. 3.5 million? That’s nostalgia money. New contracts need to be signed for what a player will bring, not what a player brought in the distant past.

    No other team is willing to pay a premium for Hemsky. He’s no longer good enough to be a top line (or arguably top six) player on one of the worst teams in the NHL. Yet we still see him as utterly indispensable because why? It’s exciting when he dangles?

  33. rickithebear says:

    Even Goals last 2 seasons:
    Hall 28 EVG #18
    Cogliano 27 EVg #23 Benn; E. Kane; E. staal; JVR
    Eberle 25 EVG #32 jagr; johansen; Marleau; Neal; Ryan; Sharp
    Perron 23 #48 Boyes: Parenteau.

    Hall-XXX-Yak
    Perron-XXX-XXX
    XXx-RNH-Ebs
    These guys are top 50 Evg producers

    Damn Cogliano on RW!

    Even Goals Bitches.Chase
    Chase even goals with strong ZS defence.
    for bottom 6

  34. BrazilianOil says:

    hunter1909,

    Is not in order to keep hemsky. Is in order to bring a real D.

    IMO Hemsky is good enough for our 2nd line.

  35. Racki says:

    hunter1909: Great idea. Trade a 1st rate producing forward that 29 other teams would run a mile for on Sunday morning,in order to keep a declining injury prone 40 point selfish enigma.

    You’re twisting his words. He is suggesting to deal the scorer for a high end D which is quite hard to come by and use Hemsky to fill in the scoring you lose. Hemsky isn’t going to fill the scoring as well as Eberle obviously, but you have to sometimes step backwards in one area to take a big leap forward in another. It’s not a bad idea. This team needs stronger, solid defense far more than it needs a good scoring winger.

    That said, it doesn’t necessarily happen that eberle fetched you high end D (mainly because teams typically don’t move key components like solid D or big two way c) , but it isn’t bad that BrazilianOil suggested this.

  36. BrazilianOil says:

    Racki,

    Thanks, your english is better than mine!

  37. Mr DeBakey says:

    Because he [Spector] can’t be relied on to ball-slurp the Oilers.

    Gotta call bullshit on that one, Art.
    Ol’ Spec was just on another of his toughness, show-runnin rants.
    He’s a pony with one trick and it ain’t nostalgia and it never wears out.
    Remember, on his team, Eager is a third line winger and Brown starts on the 4th.

  38. BrazilianOil says:

    If you fill the xxx with thee appropriate playes, we have a play off team ?

    Hall- Nuge – Yak
    Perron – xxx – Hemsky
    xxx-Gordon-xxx
    Hendricks-Lander- Pitlick

    xxx-xxx
    Marincin-Petry
    Ference-Schutz

    Scrivens
    Bryz

    The D’s and the 2C are the hardest to fill, and the oil haven’t a lot of assets to trade, so , or we wait more 5 years waiting for Nurse and Klefbom and the new shinny toy of this Draft or we try to fix it now.

  39. Spydyr says:

    The rest of the NHL has no use for Hemsky above a third round pick.By all means sign him everyone knows the Oilers “braintrust” is smarter than everyone else in the NHL and they never over value their players.The record proves it.

  40. Ducey says:

    BrazilianOil:
    hunter1909,

    IMO Hemsky is good enough for our 2nd line.

    No he isn’t. He is the equivalent of Lee Stempniak in points per game (Lee has one less point in 2 less games) . He is on track for 33 points this season. Ryan Jones had that many two years ago.

    Has Hemsky been better? Yes. Should he be better? Yes.

    Is he ever going to be better? I think the Oilers have waited around long enough for it.

  41. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Spydyr:
    The rest of the NHL has no use for Hemsky above a third round pick.By all means sign him everyone knows the Oilers “braintrust” is smarter than everyone else in the NHL and they never over value their players.The record proves it.

    The history of good NHL players who have left for peanuts over the past 5-10 years is a very different record than the one you suggest.

    If anything, the Oilers have a horrible history of recognizing that actual NHL players are good things to have.

  42. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    icecastles:
    If they can resign Hemsky cheap, great. 3.5 million? That’s nostalgia money. New contracts need to be signed for what a player will bring, not what a player brought in the distant past.

    No other team is willing to pay a premium for Hemsky. He’s no longer good enough to be a top line (or arguably top six) player on one of the worst teams in the NHL. Yet we still see him as utterly indispensable because why? It’s exciting when he dangles?

    I think 3.5 would be reasonable.

    Don’t forget that is UFA $$. the NHL is a weird labor market.

  43. Bruce McCurdy says:

    So RNH & Hall stand up for themselves against Ballard & Cooke and the answer is for Jeff Petry to come running to their aid from 50 feet away? So on the one hand you whine for the kids to show some toughness, and when they do, dammit they need help and that wuss Petry is more worried about an offensive zone faceoff when he could really help out by taking an extra penalty.

    I wonder if Spector would have said the same thing if that had been a different guy than Petry way out there on the blueline and completely out of every picture except the end zone angle he chose to make his harangue.

    I loved that Hall decked Cooke and that RNH stood up to Ballard, each fought his own little battle, that’s hockey. Those boys don’t need training wheels every time there’s a bit of physical play.

  44. Hammers says:

    Sorry LT I have loved Hemmer but its time and more for his sake .

  45. Racki says:

    BrazilianOil,

    I’ll fill in some names.. Not sure how realistic, but what the heck..

    Stastny, Ott, Mason Raymond, and maybe Markov.. Maybe Nikitin and whomever you get from trading Eberle… Hopefully a good skilled RHD.

  46. Spydyr says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I should have been clearer.I was referring to the teams overall record the last eight years.

  47. FastOil says:

    I’m interested and terrified to see how strategic MacT is now that his second chance to do something is here. To me the good GM’s seem to make a fairly major move every couple of years that help and don’t harm the team. Like a good chess player thinking a few moves ahead.

    If Eberle really does have cache I think he’d be my major chip, and I would turn over half the team again if I could. Not that I don’t think he’s good, but the team could use Hemsky as mentioned for a few years in Eberle’s likely now 2RW role.

    I am hoping to be surprised but haven’t seen anything yet that has solidified trust in MacT or whomever is causing the erratic decisions.

  48. Hammers says:

    The real decision is do we trade one of RNH , Hall , Eberle or Yak . For me this year it would be Hall even though he is our best player . He + say Musil would get the 3 nhl players we need . We may be sorry down the road a few years but it gets us back to being a team . Perron & Gordon have proven this year what real players are . Hall should get you a top 4 “D” and a center say like Coburn & B. Schen plus maybe a Simmonds . Keep your 1st rd pick and this starts to look like a team . RNH , Ebs & Yak ; Schenn , Simmonds & Perron ; Gordon , Hendricks & Gags ; Lander Smyth , Pitlick ; Gazdic & Horak . Petry & Marincin ; Coburn & Schultz , Ference , Nurse , Klefbom .

  49. Glock9 says:

    Of freaking course Hall’s going through the motions. He’s a supremely talented kid who was set to take over his very own NHL team and captain it before Dallas “Big Chief” Eakins arrived and tied the captain’s tail on third pairing on a good team Ference. Then Eakins fucks everything else up and lo and behold the team stinks.

    Couldn’t agree more. Then he can’t even decide on 2 A’s but can decide on 6??? wtf? Took him 21 games and 15 losses to figure out his swarm defence wasn’t going to work. That was the end of the season right there.

    This has been MacT’s only really poor move this year. One more year with Ralph would not have gotten us a shot at the cup but it would have given us a very good shot at playoffs which this young team could have used a taste of.

    Unfortunately, MacT is going to stand behind his mistake until 25 games into next season before he admits he screwed up. And there goes another season…..

  50. Ducey says:

    If anyone is wondering if Hemsky’s last contract was good value, ask Capgeek:

    http://www.capgeek.com/comparables/?player_id=12&year_id=2013

  51. theres oil in virginia says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    So RNH & Hall stand up for themselves against Ballard & Cooke and the answer is for Jeff Petry to come running to their aid from 50 feet away? So on the one hand you whine for the kids to show some toughness, and when they do, dammit they need help and that wuss Petry is more worried about an offensive zone faceoff when he could really help out by taking an extra penalty.

    I wonder if Spector would have said the same thing if that had been a different guy than Petry way out there on the blueline and completely out of every picture except the end zone angle he chose to make his harangue.

    I loved that Hall decked Cooke and that RNH stood up to Ballard, each fought his own little battle, that’s hockey. Those boys don’t need training wheels every time there’s a bit of physical play.

    (These general comments are not aimed at you Bruce.) I just don’t get why Spector brings out all the vitriol. Why ostracize every dissenting voice? If he’s so off-base, then say why without all of the quills raised. Usually this kind of defensive posturing is reserved for someone with a weak argument to the contrary. I recently inquired about what folks thought of a short segment he did during the Vancouver game, where he gave his thoughts re advanced stats, and the reaction I got here was “WE DON”T HAVE ANY RESPECT FOR THAT SOB HERE!!” I thought what he said (during the Vancouver game) was interesting and relevant. Although maybe not perfectly on target, it was still an interesting starting point for discussion.

    (Specific comments aimed at you Bruce.) Huh?! Hyperbole doesn’t usually come from your corner, Bruce. Petry can get involved by showing his face in the scrum and yet not take a penalty. How do you figure that stepping up and supporting your teammate is the same as bailing them out? How do you figure Hall wringing his knee in another fight with another bag-of-trash-NHLer is going to help things along? I love Hall and RNH standing up for themselves, but that’s not mutually exclusive to them getting support from the other guys on the ice! If they all get in there together, it mitigates the odds of further isolated interaction between Hall and bag-of-trash. Also, it helps when you’re mixing it up to have a buddy nearby.

    Clearly, this year, it has been the strategy of opponents to take RNH off his game by getting in his face and being physical – intimidating him. As the year has progressed, he’s bristled more and more. However, after he bristles, I want someone else in there mucking it up too. I don’t want those guys isolated in physical altercations. No one lets their stars engage in that stuff without support.

    Spector isn’t the only one raising this point. From Brian Sutherby’s ON piece:

    “I read somewhere the other day Dallas Eakins wanted five guys involved when things like this occurred, yet the two defenseman on the ice Petry and Belov just stood on the blue line watching their best players get pushed around. For what, an offensive zone draw in the middle of the first period?”

    I don’t agree that they were getting “pushed around”, but I get his point and agree that those guys need to engage, too.

  52. Ribs says:

    Bruce McCurdy: So RNH & Hall stand up for themselves against Ballard & Cooke and the answer is for Jeff Petry to come running to their aid from 50 feet away?

    This is what made me shake my head as well. Petry was clearly too far away to do anything about a small skirmish near the net. He would have looked pretty foolish rushing towards the net and having nothing to do once he got there.

  53. icecastles says:

    Imagine there were a free agent available this summer who has shown skill but has a lengthy and troubling injury history, has been in decline for three + years, has a reputation for stickhandling his way to a dead play and at age 30 is on the far side of his best years. Tough and resilient (aside from the annual injuries of course), but not really a physical player. Calling card is skill, not physicality.

    Basically an older, less skilled and lower-producing version of all our young stars. The player type you want in your top six except there is no room for him there and he’s not as good as the guys ahead of him so he would likely play on more of a checking line.

    Imagine MacTavish offered this free agent 3.5 million dollars to play on our third line next year. I think we’d all agree it was a terrible terrible decision.

    Now imagine this free agent were named Ales Hemsky. WE HAVE TO SIGN HIM RIGHT NOW OH MY GOD THE FUTURE OF THE TEAM DEPENDS ON IT!!!!

    I absolutely don’t get it.

  54. wheatnoil says:

    theres oil in virginia: (Specific comments aimed at you Bruce.) Huh?!Hyperbole doesn’t usually come from your corner, Bruce.Petry can get involved by showing his face in the scrum and yet not take a penalty.

    I see the point you’re making, but I think Bruce was referring to the offensive zone face-off. Isn’t there a rule that if the offensive defensemen get involved in the scrum, the faceoff goes outside of the zone? I know the argument can be made that this season is lost, so who cares about one offensive zone faceoff, but in regards to good habits and fairness to the defensemen involved, you can’t get involved in every O-zone scrum and lose every O-zone faceoff opportunity unless you’re pretty sure the forwards are getting their ass handed to them and need your help. If Hall and RNH are doing fine with some pushing and shoving after the whistle, then they don’t need your help. If not, then you get involved and ozone faceoff be damned.

  55. bendelson says:

    Hemsky: Good luck wherever you land. It has been an interesting ride.

    The only question for the Oilers is how to best spend that 5M next year.

    I’d be pleased with a Kulemin signing but overpaying for a verteran D might be the way the Oilers are forced to go…

    We’ll see if MacT can convince anybody Edmonton is a real NHL hockey team.

    On that note: does Scrivens test the UFA market as well?
    Seems like a reasonable expectation – he is not a stupid man.

    .

  56. theres oil in virginia says:

    wheatnoil,

    If that’s what he was referring to, then I retract “Clause 1″ of my hyperbole indictment. :)

    On that point though, I don’t think it matters much to lose the o-zone faceoff given the current game situation. First period, not in dire need of a goal scoring opportunity to even the score late… I think it’s important to demonstrate that the stars of the team are not to be messed with. Yes, they can stick up for themselves, but yes there will also be a team response to these incidents. Uh-oh, I think I just referred to team toughness! Maybe it’s being overblown, but this team needs to gel, and that’s how it happens.

  57. Spydyr says:

    bendelson:
    Hemsky:Good luck wherever you land. It has been an interesting ride.

    The only question for the Oilers is how to best spend that 5M next year.

    I’d be pleased with a Kulemin signing but overpaying for a verteran D might be the way the Oilers are forced to go…

    We’ll see if MacT can convince anybody Edmonton is a real NHL hockey team.

    On that note:does Scrivens test the UFA market as well?
    Seems like a reasonable expectation – he is not a stupid man.

    .

    A starting goalie might be a good place to spend that 5 million.

  58. book¡je says:

    If its a 3rd round pick, I would just keep him for the final two months of the season to help keep the team from collapsing completely. This team has no hope of getting FAs to come here and may see trade demands from the kids if they don’t have some success.

  59. PerryK says:

    linkfromhyrule:
    so hall was bad last night by eye and by stats. Whole team seemed to be just not feeling it minus a select few. Hall looked just plain bad though.

    God I hate spector, can someone at sportsnet please reassign him to cover south korean hockey or something? I wonder if we can trade him to another sport. He’d definitely be the only one calling for more hitting in curling! His diatribe about petry not sticking up for his teammates was just plain idiotic. Hall was more than cooke could handle

    I couldn’t agree more!

    Please SN, you can’t be serious about keeping this idiot around! Whose Brother-in-law is he any way.

    Gagner is the one that is getting on my nerves. Every time I look for him in the position he should be in, he isn’t. Then I think that may be a bad camera angle and they show it from a different angle because they just scored. Guess what he isn’t there.

    Seriously, if we need to move a body, please let it be him. He should be worth more than Hemsky.

  60. PerryK says:

    BrazilianOil:
    If you fill the xxx with thee appropriate playes, we have a play off team ?

    Hall- Nuge – Yak
    Perron – xxx – Hemsky
    xxx-Gordon-xxx
    Hendricks-Lander- Pitlick

    xxx-xxx
    Marincin-Petry
    Ference-Schutz

    Scrivens
    Bryz

    The D’s and the 2C are the hardest to fill, and the oil haven’t a lot of assets to trade, so , or we wait more 5 years waiting for Nurse and Klefbom and the new shinny toy of this Draft or we try to fix it now.

    Those x’s are clearly XXX rated.

  61. russ99 says:

    The bottom six needs a revamp just as much as last offseason.

    Gordon is our only keeper on the 3rd line if we want to be able to linematch against tough opposition and maybe someday make the playoffs.

    Hendricks is OK for the 4th line, and Gadzic is an extra for when we’re playing teams where we need his style of game.

    So we need 2 third line wingers that can play both ways (Hemsky is better at that aspect this year but nobody will confuse him with a real shutdown winger) plus a center and a winger for the 4th line. All of whom can can play defense but can also do something with the puck going the other way.

    Unless we move a skill forward in a trade, there’s really no room for Hemsky next year. And as much as we love the guy, he’s a UFA and is doubtful to re-sign here. MacT’s job between now and next Wednesday is to pump the tires and get something decent for him.

  62. Lloyd B. says:

    I’m not as convinced as some about Cogliano. He was another small skilled forward here. Yes he has now become a player we could certainly use but at the time … not so much. Of course, we have no way of knowing if he would have become as complete a player as he is now if he was still here. Gagner certainly hasn’t. I’m not convinced Cogliano would have without the mentoring he has received from the veterans he has been exposed to the past few years.

  63. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Spydyr:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I should have been clearer.I was referring to the teams overall record the last eight years.

    The team has been atrocious.

    Part of the answer to that is sending away: Cogs, Vis, Souray, Gilbert, Penner, etc. and not replacing them with real NHL players.

  64. FastOil says:

    book¡je:
    If its a 3rd round pick, I would just keep him for the final two months of the season to help keep the team from collapsing completely.This team has no hope of getting FAs to come here and may see trade demands from the kids if they don’t have some success.

    I think this year it is imperative we pick top 3, especially in this draft. How would this year look with MacKinnon, Barkov or Jones if Tambellini would have done the right thing.

  65. Ducey says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: The team has been atrocious.

    Part of the answer to that is sending away: Cogs, Vis, Souray, Gilbert, Penner, etc. and not replacing them with real NHL players.

    The team was supposed to be atrocious in some of the last 8 years.

  66. Ducey says:

    book¡je:
    If its a 3rd round pick, I would just keep him for the final two months of the season to help keep the team from collapsing completely.This team has no hope of getting FAs to come here and may see trade demands from the kids if they don’t have some success.

    A third round pick gets you Slepyshev, Yakimov, Kharia, Zharkov, Simpson, Chase. Houck, Platzer, Betker, McCarron, Gernat, Ewanyk or Reider in the last 3 years.

    None of these guys is likely to turn into an NHL player, but some will.

    It could also net you Cam Abney. Its just a swing.

    But its better to have a swing at the draft than 19 games of Hemsky (assuming he doesn’t get hurt again).

  67. rickithebear says:

    Lloyd B.:
    I’m not as convinced as some about the love for Cogliano.He was another small skilled forward here.Yes he has now become a player we could certainly use but at the time … not so much.Of course, we have no way of knowing if he would have become as complete a player as he now is if he was still here.Gagner certainly hasn’t.I’m not convinced Cogliano would have without the mentoring he has received from the veterans he has been exposed to over the past few years.

    Cogliano had 29 EVG in his first 2 seasons age 20 & 21.
    ranked him in top 65 with likes of Kunitz, Ryder, Camalerri, Kesler, Ladd.

    Who needs first line goal scoring!

  68. Lloyd B. says:

    rickithebear: Cogliano had 29 EVG in his first 2 seasons age 20 & 21.
    ranked him in top 65 with likes of Kunitz, Ryder, Camalerri, Kesler, Ladd.

    Who needs first line goal scoring!

    Thanks for this Ricki. The facts are getting in the way of a good story.

  69. hoser313 says:

    One thing I haven’t seen mentioned on this thread yet. Hemsky is a machine at getting the puck out of his own zone, usually with control. COH has an article on this somewhere. That’s a very useful thing for a 3rd line player (on a winning team) to have if his place is lining up with Gordon.

    Guys his point totals will naturally drop if he’s starting most face-offs in his own zone.

    I think you ask the player what he wants and hope that it generates enough goodwill that he’ll come back and sign here for reasonable $$$.

  70. AZOIL says:

    Sorry LT, lines in practice show Hemsky on the top line with Nuge and Hall, showcase for the penguins, book it!

  71. linkfromhyrule says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    Was doing an exam or I would have replied sooner, but honestly it’s just so taxing listening to spector night in and night out push tired narratives. Yes, he is not the only one who does it, but he is also not the only broadcaster I dislike. He is the king of body language, first off the ice, hit moar, bs. Could petry have skated in and arrived 5 seconds after the refs separated everyone? Sure. Would it have made a difference? No.

    It is one thing to stand up for your star players, I understand that and agree with it fully, but it is just dumb to skate in and at best lose the offensive zone and at worst take a (second) penalty.

    Spector is just the worst of the worst imo he consistenly pushes the same narratives without ever providing insightful or analytical commentary. Is petry perfect? No of course not, but he is our best defenseman and it isn’t close.

  72. misfit says:

    Operation Sign 83 is doomed for failure. He won’t be re-signing. I want him to be signed as much as the next guy (probably more in most cases), but it’s simply not going to happen. They might not trade him at the deadline (I wouldn’t count on it, but it’s possible), but one way or another, he’ll be signing a deal with a different team next July.

  73. Lowetide says:

    AZOIL:
    Sorry LT, lines in practice show Hemsky on the top line with Nuge and Hall, showcase for the penguins, book it!

    Yak is hurt.

  74. wheatnoil says:

    Lowetide: Yak is hurt.

    What a terrible sophomore season for Yak. He was turning a corner too. Hopefully it’s not too bad and he’ll get a few games in before the season’s done. Heard he left last night in a walking boot but haven’t heard any update since then.

    Edit: Nevermind… I just saw the twitter update and it looks like no break, so it should be relatively minor.

  75. Pouzar says:

    X-rays negative on Yak

  76. Oilanderp says:

    Does anyone here think MacT would rather have a 2nd rounder instead of Hemsky? No, but barring a major trade that frees up a top 6 spot for him, Hemmer is leaving unless MacT overpays. So, our GM has the following choices:

    1. Overpay: give a 3rd liner 2nd line $.
    2. Dither: take 20 games of Hemsky and then lose a real NHLer to UFA for nothing.
    3. Magic Beans: Trade Hemsky for the best offer (picks/prospects).
    4. WOW trade: Sign Hemsky to 2nd-line $, and trade Eberle for team needs.

    If Hemsky is willing to stay, I would try as hard as I could to go with option #4 and trade Eberle (for a defender). After years of drafting BPA (i know i know we didn’t do that but we should have) it has come time to make the trades for need.

    Just my 2¢.

  77. godot10 says:

    A couple of comments:

    1) Eberle wasn’t to blame for the 2nd goal, or puck watching. He was the first forward back. He isn’t responsible for a late forward going to the slot. He was positioned for the handoff of coverage for the man with the puck from the D-man. The late forward being unmarked is Gagner’s or Hemsky’s fault.

    2) People are misreading the UFA market. The better UFA players and their agents are going for 7 year deals (Callahan, Girardi, even Bolland is looking long). Last year, Ference got 4 years. Hendricks got 4 years, Streit got 4. I think Nystrom got three. Gordon got three. It is delusional to believe that Hemsky would sign for two years in Edmonton unless on an overpay. Hemsky can sign easily for two years in July for a bonus laden contract on a good team, and he can almost certainly get three or four.

    3) The best chance of getting Hemsky back (if you want him back) is to trade him now, and let him test life elsewhere for twenty games.

    4) Hypothesis: The Oilers play better when Eakins has less time to coach and prepare the team.

    5) MacT has made more bad moves than good moves as GM. MacT the GM is so far, more the bad MacT post SC game 7, than the good MacT pre-SC game 7.

    6) Eakins is almost certainly a bottom quartile coach in terms of optimal deplayment of players to best use their talents and skills.

  78. godot10 says:

    Pretty much the only person who has come out of management/coaching with Edmonton since SC game 7 is Ralph Krueger.

    He took basically the same team that finished 30th and 29th the two previous seasons, without a training camp, with a compressed and tougher (all WC) schedule, and finished 24th. He ably assisted Canada to an Olympic gold medal in men’s hockey, and he is now effectively the “GM” of an English premier league soccer/football team.

    Talk about turning a lemon into lemonade.

  79. Marc says:

    If Hemsky’s agent lets him sign with Edmonton for 2 x $3.5M he should be drummed out of the profession for incompetence.

    He is 30. He has at best, one more big contract left in him. If he can’t get it this offseason (which he most likely can, given the paucity of top six F UFAs, number of teams that will be looking for scoring and the rising cap) then the next best option would be to sign a one year deal with a team that can give him top six and first PP minutes, in the hopes that he’ll score enough to earn a four or five year deal next offseason.

    The absolute worst thing Hemsky could do, in terms of career earnings, would be to sign a deal with short term, little to no PP time and third line linemates and Dzone starts. He would pretty much guarantee that he’d never get a big money contract in the NHL ever again.

    Can anyone tell me why Hemsky would agree to such a deal?

  80. ashley says:

    But what happened to Cogliano is just another smurf on a bad roster with a terrible FO%? Clear the dead weight….for better players.

    In theory it sounded good. It’s just the better players thing didn’t really work out for us.

    So maybe now we ask ourselves: Why would we trade Hemsky instead of signing him? To clear dead weight for better players? Who are the better players that will fill that gap?

    Are we just tired of him as we seemed to be with Cogs?

    Or do we want to just do a trade because it’s sort of fun?

  81. RexLibris says:

    LT, you had mentioned the idea of moving Hemsky for another expiring UFA who better fits the 3rd line role, like Kulemin.

    I had mentioned something similar the other day for the Flames in the idea of moving Cammalleri to NYR for Callahan with conditional picks going either way in case one or the other does not sign with the new team.

    I think we also need to consider on any pending Hemsky trade that, like the Smid deal, the real value won’t entirely be realized in the immediate return but also in the ancillary benefits or moves that occur in the wake of his departure.

    Whatever team he goes to, that is my playoff team.

  82. Pouzar says:

    “Easy to figure out what names are available in Edmonton, most of them are pending unrestricted free agents, led by winger Ales Hemsky, who I hear is getting decent traction on the market.”

    Lebrun

  83. AZOIL says:

    Oh, my bad! He is still being showcased though, I think we can both agree! I want to keep him but I bet there is more to the storey than we the general public are privy too.

    Am I the only one that think next to a star like Crosby or heck even in a consistent top 6 role and 1 unit PP he would put up better numbers than he is now? That has to be MacT’s sales pitch when he is bargaining for his return.

    Lowetide: Yak is hurt.

  84. Ducey says:

    Here is what Brian Lawton has to say about Hemsky:

    Ales Hemsky, Right winger | Edmonton Oilers

    Hemsky is either the most overrated player in the National Hockey League, or the most undervalued player by clubs other than the Oilers. He had a six-year run from 2005-11 when he put up nearly one point a game, but since then has played in only 155 games and scored just 80 points over the last three seasons. That has created an inequity in his value as perceived by the Oilers and the rest of the league.

    For any club that is willing to take a gamble on Hemsky, it is believed that he could put up strong numbers again if paired with the right centreman and a team with a strong defence that plays a lot more in the opposing team’s end rather than their own, which has not been the case in Edmonton the past few seasons.

    The asking price for Hemsky has always been just more than what the market is willing to bear. This year, that price has been set at a first-round pick, but the most likely scenario will be a club giving up a second rounder at best for him.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-trades/nhl-trade-deadline-brian-lawtons-scouting-report/

  85. Lowetide says:

    Lebrun

    Oilers’ selling list
    Easy to figure out what names are available in Edmonton; most of them are pending unrestricted free agents, led by winger Ales Hemsky, who I hear is getting decent traction on the market.

    It’s a guarantee he gets dealt before Wednesday. He’s a nice Plan B for those teams that strike out on Thomas Vanek or Matt Moulson. Hemsky can still play; I thought he looked good in Sochi for the Czech Republic.

    Veteran Oilers winger Ryan Smyth is also a pending unrestricted free agent and could move. I think he’d be a terrific addition for one of the top contenders. He’d accept a fourth-line role on a Cup contender and his character goes without saying.

    Nick Schultz is also an unrestricted free agent and will likely be moved as a depth defenseman addition to a contender.

    The Kings and Oilers were in heavy talks on center Sam Gagner before the Olympic break, as we reported, but that deal fell apart because Edmonton balked at eating so much of the money on that contract, which still has two more seasons.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/29339/rumblings-decision-time-for-bubble-teams

  86. Bag of Pucks says:

    Pardubice’s most exciting export?

    According to the wikipedia entry for Pardubice…Factories include the Synthesia chemical factory (manufacturer of Semtex, a plastic explosive)

    Somewhere in all of this there’s a line about a Hemsky contract renewal having the potential to blow up in MacT’s face.

  87. delooper says:

    If the Oilers trade Hemsky for a draft pick I can’t imagine Hall would sign another contract with them. The Oilers need to make trades that get them to contending for playoff spots. Hemsky for picks is a near impossible longshot for that, unless someone knows Hemsky would re-sign as a UFA in the summer. IMO such a trade would not be perceived well.

  88. icecastles says:

    Pouzar: X-rays negative on Yak

    That’s really really bad. If it found a fracture, at least he could recover. But to not find bones at all? That’s just a whole new level of ‘soft’ player. Poor guy.

  89. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    godot10: 1) Eberle wasn’t to blame for the 2nd goal, or puck watching. He was the first forward back. He isn’t responsible for a late forward going to the slot. He was positioned for the handoff of coverage for the man with the puck from the D-man. The late forward being unmarked is Gagner’s or Hemsky’s fault.

    This is a misread IMO

    http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=2013020897-288-ingame-h

    pretty clearly he’s watching the puck. just look at his head.

    His minor fault doesn’t absolve ference, Belov, Gagner either.

    Hemsky is the one guy I think you’d have to be crazy to blame. He’s floating between the slot and the blue line to protect the weak side. You can’t collapse all five players into the strong side slot.

  90. Bag of Pucks says:

    Ducey:
    If anyone is wondering if Hemsky’s last contract was good value, ask Capgeek:

    http://www.capgeek.com/comparables/?player_id=12&year_id=2013

    ‘Funny’ that Gagner is one of the other most overpaid players on that list. Funny, you know, like a surprise bout of chlamydia.

  91. rickithebear says:

    Lloyd B.: Thanks for this Ricki. The facts are getting in the way of a good story.

    I know they had structured KHB usage, getting rid of Brodziak, Etc. to reduce the win count.

    But the Discussion of Cogliano’s sustainable Shooting % was allways an arguement here.
    The by the eye side of me allways saw him use his speed and work to the net.

    Some kind of ninja, Shot search finally provided the means to see he had a sustainable high % based on inside 20ft location of his shots.
    The low % were not the norm.

    So we had an elite Even goal producer who was not getting the easy gravy PP goals.
    we had a scorer effective in the toughtimes. who was not going to get the cap jump from a false push from PP goals.
    we traded him for a 3rd. Acxxh!

  92. godot10 says:

    delooper:
    If the Oilers trade Hemsky for a draft pick I can’t imagine Hall would sign another contract with them. The Oilers need to make trades that get them to contending for playoff spots.Hemsky for picks is a near impossible longshot for that, unless someone knows Hemsky would re-sign as a UFA in the summer.IMO such a trade would not be perceived well.

    One trades players for picks (or prospects) at the deadline, and picks for players at the draft. How come that concept is so difficult for people to understand?

    It is basically impossible to get a quality player from a good team that is heading into the playoffs at the trade deadline.

    And in Hemsky’s case, I think the only chance the Oilers have of re-signing him is to trade him now, and give him a taste of elsewhere, for elsewhere will be irresistible on July 1, if he hasn’t experience it before then.

  93. frjohnk says:

    Giradi signed by Rangers 6 years 33 million
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=444909

  94. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10:
    Pretty much the only person who has come out of management/coaching with Edmonton since SC game 7 is Ralph Krueger.

    He took basically the same team that finished 30th and 29th the two previous seasons, without a training camp, with a compressed and tougher (all WC) schedule, and finished 24th.He ably assisted Canada to an Olympic gold medal in men’s hockey, and he is now effectively the “GM” of an English premier league soccer/football team.

    Talk about turning a lemon into lemonade.

    Hadn’t heard about Krueger landing that gig with Southampton. That IS an impressive ‘recareering’ move at his age. Well done Ralphie boy!

  95. godot10 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: This is a misread IMO

    http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=2013020897-288-ingame-h

    pretty clearly he’s watching the puck. just look at his head.

    His minor fault doesn’t absolve ference, Belov, Gagner either.

    Hemsky is the one guy I think you’d have to be crazy to blame. He’s floating between the slot and the blue line to protect the weak side. You can’t collapse all five players into the strong side slot.

    So the guy with the puck is moving out of the coverage of the D, and into the area where Eberle is the guy closest to the guy with the puck, and he is supposed to desert this guy to go cover a late forward coming back, unmarked by Gagner or Hemsky.

    If Eberle made a mistake, is that he wasn’t hard enough on pursuing the guy with the puck. The trailing forward is not his responsibility as the first forward back, and the forward who will be closest to the player with the puck.

  96. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    godot10,

    Watch his head.

    He’s in the slot starring at Belov poorly check a guy. He should shoulder check and then commit to challenge the puck carrier (double team) or take the man in the slot directly behind him, or at least recognize his presence and try to direct traffic. It would have been helpful if 89 managed to do either of these things too.

    Not entirely culpable. not close. but starring at an already checked puck carrier isn’t the best use of his efforts there.

  97. rickithebear says:

    Now poeople want to retain a low EVG producing winger who by the nature of being a passer is going to have a less resulkts per pocession rate than an effective First shot EVG scorer.

    No Hemsky, Gagner, Smyth, Jones, Jeonsuu.

    Hall, Eberle, Perron, RNH, Yak all top 50 even rates for most of the last 3 seasons.

    Gordon, Hendricks are fringe top 200 EVG with super tough ZS.

    Perron Gordon, hendricks Are serios upgrades on MP , horcoff,( petrells, Eagers ) evg.

    Hall-Gordon-Yak
    Perron-Arco-XXX
    Hendricks-RNH-Ebs
    XXX-XXX-XXX
    Gazdic-XXX

    As for Even Goals scoring Dmen last 2 years
    J. schultz 12 #4
    Niskanen 9 #12
    Ference 6 #37
    Mezeros 5 #58
    Petry 4 #80
    Nikitin 4

  98. godot10 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    godot10,

    Watch his head.

    He’s in the slot starring at Belov poorly check a guy. He should shoulder check and then commit to challenge the puck carrier (double team) or take the man in the slot directly behind him, or at least recognize his presence and try to direct traffic. It would have been helpful if 89 managed to do either of these things too.

    Not entirely culpable. not close. but starring at an already checked puck carrier isn’t the best use of his efforts there.

    Only that crazy guy Krueger played man-to-man defense. The forward with the puck was skating away from the D toward Eberle. And he was the first forward back. The forward with the puck was moving away from the net. In Eakins system, is the first forward back supposed to chase a forward when he is moving away from the net outside the dots? I doubt it, since it breaks the structure of the D.

    Gagner and Hemsky were lollygagging back and screwed up. If they had done their jobs, everything Eberle had done on that play was find. Eberle was doing his job. Playing with structure means you do your job and expect other to do theirs. And that is exactly what Eberle was doing.

    He was not trying to compensate for the mistakes of others. You are blaming him for trying to play structured hockey, by saying that he should improvise and not expect his teammates to do their jobs.

  99. delooper says:

    godot10
    And in Hemsky’s case, I think the only chance the Oilers have of re-signing him is to trade him now, and give him a taste of elsewhere, for elsewhere will be irresistible on July 1, if he hasn’t experience it before then.

    I don’t think people are having difficulty with any of the basic ideas. There seems to be an assumption that Hemsky wants to be moved, or that the Oilers are determined to trade him. These ideas seem a little silly to me. Last year the Oilers tried to move him but they gave up on it. There’s no reason to believe they’re attempting the same, or has there been a new development people aren’t mentioning?

    I think the most likely outcome is the Oilers re-sign him for another 2 year contract. If there’s some big news I’m missing (and nobody has mentioned in this thread) then maybe something else happens but it seems unlikely to me.

  100. rickithebear says:

    The tough narrative drives me nuts.
    we need hits blah, blah.
    it is part of the game.
    you take them.

    i have been hammered on and you get up .
    been punched in the face, balls, spine, ears. you take a number.

    clashed heads with a player and a portion of skin on his forehead flopped down llike a fold.
    he went to the side line flipped it up.4 stiches, save and tape and back he came all the while smiling at me.

    there is only one player in the group that made me nervous.

    Tough! the media guys have no F………… Clue!

  101. icecastles says:

    godot10: One trades players for picks (or prospects) at the deadline, and picks for players at the draft. How come that concept is so difficult for people to understand?

    You do understand that if one team is trading a pick to get a player, it means there’s another team trading a player to get a pick, right? You do understand that by the laws of logic, physics and the universe that this HAS to be true, right?

    Please tell me that you understand this fact (I’m not holding my breath).

  102. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    godot10,

    I don’t think “shoulder checking” and communicating with your teammates are somehow outside the bounds of structured (any structure/system) hockey. That seems wildly implausible.

    Once more, if Hemsky also collapses into the strong side slot area… who’s covering the weak side? who’s covering the point?

  103. godot10 says:

    icecastles: You do understand that if one team is trading a pick to get a player, it means there’s another team trading a player to get a pick, right? You do understand that by the laws of logic, physics and the universe that this HAS to be true, right?

    Please tell me that you understand this fact (I’m not holding my breath).

    Selective effing editing by you…leaving out.

    “It is basically impossible to get a quality player from a good team that is heading into the playoffs at the trade deadline.””

  104. hunter1909 says:

    Racki:
    hunter1909,

    This is some crazy over the top trollery, but there is definitely some truth in it. But people would probably accept it more if you toned down the douchebag a few notches.

    Thank you for that constructive description of my hung over mood from seeing oilers play nonexistent hockey, after, hilariously, Eakins in a mirror of his master MacT mouthed off prior to the Olympic break, about how he was planning to do this and that.

    I know it’s only a single game since Big Chief Eakin’s galaxy of NHL 2014 edition oilers(notice the small case c) lost 3-0 at home to the Minnesota Wild. And Taylor Hall, and Jordan Eberle being the most clear choices to my eye for players who have arrived to run out the string of another wasted hockey season; while Dallas in his infinite majesty glared like an idiot before, during, and presumably after the game. I wouldn’t myself know, since I switched off 5 minutes into the 3rd.

    Now some are yapping about losing Eberle will be nothing, that Hemsky suddenly after his ffs 3 goal Olympics is now the man to help lead the team onward, or something. Hey man, I’m not even mad anymore. People naive enough to think Eberle is a mere trading chip deserve Kevin Lowe until Kingdom Come.

  105. RexLibris says:

    …for Yak to have no bones at all…

    icecastles:

    Worthy of applause.

  106. RexLibris says:

    LT, why didn’t you put some sort of cap on the comments for this article at 83. Show some respect, man!

    ;)

  107. hunter1909 says:

    icecastles,

    Congrats on a people shedding themselves of the scoundrel Yanukovich.

    At great risk of sounding trite, anyone over there interested in setting up something similar in the vicinity of 118th avenue and Wayne Gretzky Drive?

  108. hunter1909 says:

    Wanting Ekblad or Reinhart added this draft really makes me want to cheer for the opposition for the next 20 or so games. I confess last night I was glad to see the score at 1-0, and the day after the night before it’s looking very good for Katz’s panzers.

    Hilariously, with the next 4 at home, the pressure’s on management, to somehow motivate a bunch of young and not so young players who Dallas “Big Chief” Eakins spent alienating to the point Big Chief now has got 20 individuals and assorted cliques, all pulling individually after he’s attacked each and every one of them(aside from his special favorites).

    Personally, I hope they lose the next 4 games.

  109. hunter1909 says:

    MacT and Dallas “Big Chief” Eakins have this in common:

    They both seem like assholes. And since they’ve both been exposed as hypocrites, they’re hypocritical assholes.

    So if we accept that they’re a pair of hypocritical assholes, it’s really hard if not impossible to see this dynamic brace ever motivating anyone who ever plays for this team, ever again.

    Not exactly the m.o. of a dynamic power pair GM and coach, especially from the player’s pov – anyone with a heartbeat would think.

  110. icecastles says:

    godot10: Selective effing editing by you

    You wrote it as a complete paragraph. I took it as such. Grammar and structure, my good man: they matter.

  111. russ99 says:

    You can rail against MacT but jeez has Sather taken conplete lave of his senses with the Girardi extension.

    The only way that makes sense is if the cap is going way,way up.

    Plus what the heck is up with that “NTC upon signing” clause that circumvents the CBA. Had Bettman any cojones he’d kill it.

  112. hoser313 says:

    Marc:

    The absolute worst thing Hemsky could do, in terms of career earnings, would be to sign a deal with short term, little to no PP time and third line linemates and Dzone starts. He would pretty much guarantee that he’d never get a big money contract in the NHL ever again.

    Can anyone tell me why Hemsky would agree to such a deal?

    You never know what drives people. The guy has lived through so much pain as an Oiler there’s probably a part of him that wants to be here when the tide finally turns. Sadly, that may not be next year. Sadly also, they could not find a way this year to at least put an “A” on his jersey.

  113. Romulus Apotheosis says:
  114. Ribs says:

    icecastles: Imagine MacTavish offered this free agent 3.5 million dollars to play on our third line next year. I think we’d all agree it was a terrible terrible decision.

    Replace him then. Find a better player who will sign for $3.5M (not saying that Hemsky would). Who’s your guy? How many choices do you have? Are you shuffling deck chairs?

  115. Marc says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Makes you just want to cry for days

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=563762&catid=4

    He definitely sounds like a man who would be thrilled to spend the next couple of years on the third line. Thrilled!

    Throw him a bone MacT!

  116. Captain Smarmy says:

    Ryan Miller a Blue it seems.

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