OPERATION SIGN HEMSKY VOL 2: NIGHTFALL

We survived the day but night time is the more dangerous part of the day. Weary, and with common sense losing a day-long battle with panic, Oiler fans remain watchful as the giant twitter quakes with news.

TRADE DEADLINE VALUE TABLE

  • Ales Hemsky: First-round draft pick (or a second and a fourth).
  • Nick Schultz: A third round pick.
  • Ryan Smyth: A fourth round pick.
  • Corey Potter: A fourth round pick.
  • Anton Belov: A fourth round pick.
  • Ilya Bryzgalov: A fourth round pick.
  • Jesse Joensuu: A fourth round pick.
  • Taylor Fedun: A fourth round pick.
  • Mark Fraser: A fourth round pick.
  • Luke Gazdic: A fifth round pick.
  • Ryan Jones: A sixth round pick.
  • Denis Grebeshkov: A seventh round pick.
  • Ben Eager: A seventh round pick.

When we last left the story, 83′s value had been reduced from my estimate (either #26 overall or #56 and #115) to Bob McKenzie’s “third round pick.” Since then, Hemsky gave an interview in which he appears both old and young—it makes me sad as an Oiler fan.

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I argued on LDWLT this morning—and received much push back—that I would rather see the Oilers hold on to Hemsky through the deadline than deal him for a third round pick. Good lord folks, we’ve spent years finding out the value of a third round pick, WE KNOW THIS!

Why in hell should Ray Shero be a hero off the back of Ales Hemsky without Pittsburgh paying in full? Sign Ales Hemsky. It’s the right thing to do.

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107 Responses to "OPERATION SIGN HEMSKY VOL 2: NIGHTFALL"

  1. OilClog says:

    Agreed! Sign him now!

  2. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “It’s the right thing to do.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CoWmQqGDmo

  3. wunderbar says:

    Could not agree more. Trading an actual NHL player for a bag of pucks 4 years into a rebuild doesn’t help anything. I’d honestly rather they keep him and lose him for nothing but show that they tried to sign him.

    Also, that trade between the Sabres and blues is pretty massive. Miller and Ott for Stewart, Halak, a prospect, a ’15 1st and a ’16 3rd.

  4. TheOtherJohn says:

    I’d sign him because he is a good hockey player. We have far to few of those. Missing, by my count, 1,2,4D, 2C, functional size & 2 goalies. Getting a 3rd for real NHL player is idiocy but……..Oilers

  5. OilClog says:

    Well, just saw that Hemsky interview.

    No point in wanting to keep Hemmer, he’s no longer a Oiler :(

  6. Marc says:

    It’s not a real nhl player for a third round pick. It two months of a real nhl player for a third round pick. There’s a big difference.

  7. hoser313 says:

    wunderbar:

    Also, that trade between the Sabres and blues is pretty massive.Miller and Ott for Stewart, Halak, a prospect, a ’15 1st and a ’16 3rd.

    Personally, I think that’s a great trade for Buffalo.

  8. Younger Oil says:

    I think it’s clear from that interview that Hemsky just doesn’t want to be an Oiler anymore. He’s not going to re-sign here. He’s been such a great gift these past 9 years, but it’s time for both parties to move on. Hemsky deserves to be in the playoffs with a contender, he deserves it after all these years. Also, it can’t be good for the dressing room to have players that don’t fully want to be there.

  9. russ99 says:

    That is a nice deal for Buffalo – if they can re-sign Halak.

    He’s a UFA this summer.

  10. PREDICKTER says:

    Brandon Davidson pretty excited for the weekend trio of games as his dad and brother are in OKC to watch him play, i believe for the first time this year. Go Barons Go.

  11. Lowetide says:

    Curtis Hamilton back in the lineup, for those (like me) who light candles for lost causes.

  12. book¡je says:

    I think it’s more likely Pronger comes back to the Oilers than Hemsky.

  13. The Great One says:

    Marc:
    It’s not a real nhl player for a third round pick. It two months of a real nhl player for a third round pick. There’s a big difference.

    And you could pick up a player like Mason Raymond or Mike Santorelli and get on with life.

  14. The Great One says:

    Waiting for the other shoe to drop on the Miller/Ott trade.

    Word is that it’s a 3 way deal with Ottawa.

    Buffalo sends Chris Stewart to Ottawa for ????

  15. fifthcartel says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 1m
    Of course, wouldn’t it be infinitely more interesting if BUF traded Stewart and Matt Moulson to OTT for a really big haul. Buckle up.

    Is it Wednesday already?

  16. AZOIL says:

    Ott and miller healthy scratches for tonight! Is Ott a good #2 center?

    Never mind, deal to st Lois.

  17. The Great One says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 3m

    Of course, wouldn’t it be infinitely more interesting if BUF traded Stewart and Matt Moulson to OTT for a really big haul. Buckle up.

  18. The Great One says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 8m

    Potential targets for BUF if it flips Stewart to OTT: Mark Stone, Matt Puempel, Mark Borowiecki, Fredrik Claesson. Tim Murray knows em all.

  19. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    Curtis Hamilton back in the lineup, for those (like me) who light candles for lost causes.

    Your an Oiler fan. St. Jude wore the copper and blue. Lighting candles for lost causes is what we do best.

  20. The Great One says:

    Saymyname PatMcLean ‏@blackdogpat 22m

    #tankers”@ThomasDrance: The Buffalo Sabres are going to own pick #2-30 by the time this week is out. Pick #1 will be Edmonton’s, obviously.”

  21. The Great One says:

    Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper 1m

    Many believe #Sabres Halak on the move again before deadline closes. #musicalgoalies?

  22. The Great One says:

    Matthew Sekeres ‏@mattsekeres 2m

    He could still deal Moulson, Stewart, Ehrhoff, Myers, Tallinder to re-make roster or deepen prospect pool. #WellSetUp @bjanzenbrent

  23. Philosophil says:

    Why in hell should Ray Shero be a hero off the back of Ales Hemsky without Pittsburgh paying in full? Sign Ales Hemsky. It’s the right thing to do.

    LT – poetic and efficient. You’ve nailed it three sentences. Put otherwise, “get good players. Keep good players”.

    Its time for Edmonton to stop acting like a lass with low self esteem and just give it away for the promise of something more. MacT is on the right track, but every trade deadline is a test of will and character by the GM.

  24. The Great One says:

    Philosophil:
    Why in hell should Ray Shero be a hero off the back of Ales Hemsky without Pittsburgh paying in full? Sign Ales Hemsky. It’s the right thing to do.

    LT – poetic and efficient. You’ve nailed it three sentences. Put otherwise, “get good players. Keep good players”.

    Its time for Edmonton to stop acting like a lass with low self esteem and just give it away for the promise of something more.MacT is on the right track, but every trade deadline is a test of will and character by the GM.

    Pittsburgh is reportedly also in on the Kelser situation.

    If MacT sits on his hands too long the market will crash.

  25. The Great One says:

    Lowetide:
    Hitchcock gets his Belfour
    http://www.puckrant.com/slapshot/HITCH_GETS_HIS_GIDDYUP

    STL paid the price but, migod, what a lineup heading into the playoffs.

  26. The Great One says:

    STL centre depth:

    Backes

    Oshie

    Berglund

    Ott

    Roy

    Sobotka

    Lapierre

    They’re a little light on RW.

    Hmmmmm.

  27. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: Hitchcock gets his Belfour

    Sabres currently 1-1 in their game and now conceivably can start making their big push to to the giddy heights of above 30th place.

    Who’s the current 29th place team? So long as they keep losing, one of Ekblad/Reinhart is theirs.

  28. RexLibris says:

    One of the best parts of that Buffalo deal is the deferral of the 1st to 2015. Rather than load up on picks in a single year, spacing them out is a wise move.

    If they can flip Stewart as well for a prospect like Lazar, wow.

  29. RexLibris says:

    The Great One: Pittsburgh is reportedly also in on the Kelser situation.

    If MacT sits on his hands too long the market will crash.

    I dont think anything MacTavish has done this year would qualify as “sitting on his hands”.

  30. RexLibris says:

    The Great One:
    STL centre depth:

    Backes

    Oshie

    Berglund

    Ott

    Roy

    Sobotka

    Lapierre

    They’re a little light on RW.

    Hmmmmm.

    Hemsky for the Oilers’ own 2nd rounder?

    That would be interesting. It would even out to Hemsky and Paajarvi for David Perron.

  31. RexLibris says:

    The Great One:
    Matthew Sekeres ‏@mattsekeres2m

    He could still deal Moulson, Stewart, Ehrhoff, Myers, Tallinder to re-make roster or deepen prospect pool. #WellSetUp @bjanzenbrent

    At what point do they retain some veterans to help play with the young group likely to be coming on board? We’ve seen what going too far can do and they still have some developing talent that needs sheltering.

  32. The Great One says:

    RexLibris:
    One of the best parts of that Buffalo deal is the deferral of the 1st to 2015. Rather than load up on picks in a single year, spacing them out is a wise move.

    If they can flip Stewart as well for a prospect like Lazar, wow.

    Don’t forget Moulson, Ehrhoff, Myers, Tallinder and maybe Halak.

    More to come.

  33. The Great One says:

    RexLibris: I dont think anything MacTavish has done this year would qualify as “sitting on his hands”.

    No, but he’s been trading 5′s and 6′s for 6′s and 7′s,

    About as much progress as you make in a rocking chair.

  34. The Great One says:

    RexLibris: At what point do they retain some veterans to help play with the young group likely to be coming on board? We’ve seen what going too far can do and they still have some developing talent that needs sheltering.

    You can find quite a bit of sheltering for the $43M the Sabres have in cap space next season (Cap Geek not updated.)

  35. Lowetide says:

    The Great One: No, but he’s been trading 5′s and 6′s for 6′s and 7′s,

    About as much progress as you make in a rocking chair.

    Scrivens was a nice add, they need to sign him, though. Agree that Hendricks and Fraser aren’t earth shattering, don’t understand why people get mad about Gazdic—didn’t cost a thing and fills a role We can debate the VALUE of that role, but Gazdic fills it well.

  36. Lowetide says:

    Roy with a goal tonight, 32gp, 10-18-28

  37. The Great One says:

    Lowetide: Scrivens was a nice add, they need to sign him, though. Agree that Hendricks and Fraser aren’t earth shattering, don’t understand why people get mad about Gazdic—didn’t cost a thing and fills a role We can debate the VALUE of that role, but Gazdic fills it well.

    If Scrivens doesn’t re-sign by Wednesday, what do you do?

  38. RexLibris says:

    The Great One,

    So you expect him to go on a Tallon-esque spending spree? That doesn’t always work and there is no guarantee that he’ll be able to find willing, capable NHLers willing to take on 2 or 3 year contracts until the new core is ready to take over.

    As for Moulson, Tallinder, etc, I agree. Buffalo could own the draft this year, but as mentioned earlier, it might be better to defer picks to next year or request prospects in return. Diversify your assets.

    While MacTavish hasn’t made the big trade of Eberle for Couturier or something similar, I’d say acquiring Perron for Paajarvi and Scrivens for what was essentially Dubnyk or a 3rd round pick is slightly above 6s and 7s. Perron isn’t a Jack, but he’s not a bottom six-er, and Scrivens is in the Anderson/Roloson territory as a career backup who might just become a starter.

    I’d suggest MacTavish has been as aggressive in trades as was prudently possible.

  39. Caramel Obvious says:

    Buffalo did some terrible things this year with the management of their young players. However, between two different management teams and two two deals, they have managed to nonetheless turn the franchise around. That is how you rebuild.

    So how/why didn’t the Oilers do this? The short answer is they didn’t have anyone like Vanek and Miller to turn into younger players. The longer answer is it took them too long to hit bottom so that they wasted their versions of Vanek and Miller.

    In any case the Oiler rebuild is already a failure. The Sabres rebuild may fail too but at least they have a chance. The amount of good, young, players they will have in the system at the end of this (add trades for Moulson and Halak for sure) is going to be something to behold. Surely, more than the Oilers who, for all the talk, have never had that much young talent.

    At the end of these paragraphs all I can conclude is that the Oilers have no chance to ever be good. Tambellini ruined them.

  40. The Great One says:

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  41. Lowetide says:

    The Great One: If Scrivens doesn’t re-sign by Wednesday, what do you do?

    I trade him.

  42. fifthcartel says:

    John Vogl ‏@BuffNewsVogl 4m
    The Sabres get St. Louis 1st-round pick in 2014 if Blues make Western Conference finals or Ryan Miller re-signs. 1st round in 2015 automatic

    Wow, Buffalo got a huge haul for Miller/Ott.

  43. The Great One says:

    RexLibris:
    The Great One,

    So you expect him to go on a Tallon-esque spending spree? That doesn’t always work and there is no guarantee that he’ll be able to find willing, capable NHLers willing to take on 2 or 3 year contracts until the new core is ready to take over.

    As for Moulson, Tallinder, etc, I agree. Buffalo could own the draft this year, but as mentioned earlier, it might be better to defer picks to next year or request prospects in return. Diversify your assets.

    While MacTavish hasn’t made the big trade of Eberle for Couturier or something similar, I’d say acquiring Perron for Paajarvi and Scrivens for what was essentially Dubnyk or a 3rd round pick is slightly above 6s and 7s. Perron isn’t a Jack, but he’s not a bottom six-er, and Scrivens is in the Anderson/Roloson territory as a career backup who might just become a starter.

    I’d suggest MacTavish has been as aggressive in trades as was prudently possible.

    Tallon had to spend to reach the cap floor and had a tenuous ownership situation to deal with.

    Murray has a billionaire owner in Terry Regula who will do anything he can to build a winner.

    Very different circumstances.

    I seriously doubt Pegula, LaFontaine or Murray expect to be competitive next season and, considering all their draft picks and the Connor McDavid draft, they would prefer not to be.

    This is a reprise of the Dean Lombardi rebuild in LA except Buffalo has even more assets than Dean had.

    They’ve already got 4 young studs on D (Myers, Zadorov, Ristolainen and Pysyk) as well as a plethora of young C’s in Hodgson, Ennis, Grigerenko and Girgensons.

    Adding to that group when you have multiple high draft picks is easy and they also have two high end prospects in goal in Enroth and Hackett.

    When the 2014 and 2015 drafts are over, Buffalo may have the best prospect pool in the history of the NHL.

    Depends what happens in the next 15 months.

  44. VanOil says:

    I hope they resign Hemsky. I believe very little will happen with the Oilers this deadline, with only N.Schultz and Potter leaving for picks.

    If we do see a fire sale and rebuild 8.0 I wish for the following;

    Hemsky to PHX for Henrik Samuelsson (Yotes 3d best forward prospect behind Domi and Lessio)

    Gagner to NYI for Brock Nelson. NYI after there fire sale need to make the cap floor next year some how.

    N.Schultz. Potter, Jones, Smyth and Larsson for picks that are likely to amount to bupkis.

    Fedun + 2015 1st to FLP for Kulikov

    Sign the current goal tenders. Sign a middling vet Dman on short terms, or Belov, in case Kelfbom is not ready or Marincin sophomore slumps.

    Samuelsson and Nelson bring the beefcake to the top 9. Kulikov brings the class to the back end. Draft Reinhart, Bennett or Ekblad depending on your fancy. Reinhart might better fill the 2nd line center role next year because of his hockey smarts. A year in the AHL would not hurt Samuelsson.

  45. Alsker says:

    Lowetide,

    And Bryz? Do we move both? Or see them both vanish into thin air July 1?

  46. Alsker says:

    fifthcartel:
    John Vogl ‏@BuffNewsVogl4m
    The Sabres get St. Louis 1st-round pick in 2014 if Blues make Western Conference finals or Ryan Miller re-signs. 1st round in 2015 automatic

    Wow, Buffalo got a huge haul for Miller/Ott.

    That is going to be one exciting young team the city of Buffalo can watch grow up….who makes the post season first Buf/Edm/Cgy?

  47. gcw_rocks says:

    I am surprised the Sabres didn’t hold out for Allen. If they could have got him, they would have been set. If they can’t sign Halak or if they trade him they end up with a big question mark in goal.

  48. book¡je says:

    Lowetide: I trade him.

    But you keep Hemsky under the same circstances?

  49. The Great One says:

    gcw_rocks:
    I am surprised the Sabres didn’t hold out for Allen. If they could have got him, they would have been set. If they can’t sign Halak or if they trade him they end up with a big question mark in goal.

    Goaltending is the easiest problem to solve if you have almost $40M in cap space.

    They also have 2 very well regarded young goalies in Enroth and Hackett.

    As stated previously, I don’t think their intention is to be competitive next season.

    Lots of time to look at a #1G

  50. book¡je says:

    What would be great would be to trade Hemsky and Scrivens for a first and second round pick and then sign them both in the summer.

  51. The Great One says:

    Alsker: That is going to be one exciting young team the city of Buffalo canwatch grow up….who makes the post season first Buf/Edm/Cgy?

    Buffalo.

    And they won’t be squeaking.

  52. gcw_rocks says:

    At least the Sabres understand the concept of the rebuild. Hemsky should have been traded at the beginning of the rebuild.

    Rebuild 101:

    1) sell anything of value for picks and prospects. Create lots of cap space
    2) draft well. Safe in the first two rounds. Boom or bust after that.
    3) use new found cap space on veteran free agents on short term overpay deals
    4) keep some vets to teach the kids, and sell others at the next deadline to keep filling the prospects pool (because some are going to bust, volume is good)
    5) rinse and repeat until the kids start to mature
    6) then start using very deep prospect pool to trade for players in areas of need

    It’s not rocket science and it would appear Buffalo actually gets out, or at least the first part.

    Edmonton hung on to Hemsky too long, and here we are. Foolish.

  53. The Great One says:

    gcw_rocks:
    At least the Sabres understand the concept of the rebuild. Hemsky should have been traded at the beginning of the rebuild.

    Rebuild 101:

    1) sell anything of value for picks and prospects. Create lots of cap space
    2) draft well. Safe in the first two rounds. Boom or bust after that.
    3) use new found cap space on veteran free agents on short term overpay deals
    4) keep some vets to teach the kids, and sell others at the next deadline to keep filling the prospects pool (because some are going to bust, volume is good)
    5) rinse and repeat until the kids start to mature
    6) then start using very deep prospect pool to trade for players in areas of need

    It’s not rocket science and it would appear Buffalo actually gets out, or at least the first part.

    Edmonton hung on to Hemsky too long, and here we are. Foolish.

    They also held on to Horcoff and Gagner well beyond their best before dates.

  54. The Great One says:

    In other news…Buffalo beats San Jose 4-2.

    Jonas Enroth – .947

  55. Lowetide says:

    book¡je: But you keep Hemsky under the same circstances?

    I keep Hemsky because there’s so much history and a chance (imo) to sign him. If Hemsky says ‘go to hell I’m not signing’ then you have to trade him.

  56. The Great One says:

    Sam Bennett with a 3G 1A performance tonight.

    Vancouver prospect Dane Fox with his junior leading 58th goal of the season.

  57. Captain Smarmy says:

    So Buffalo is the new soup of the day?

  58. The Great One says:

    Captain Smarmy:
    So Buffalo is the new soup of the day?

    No.

    The soup of 2016.

    Book it.

  59. Bank Shot says:

    Buffalo should rebuild faster than the Oilers because they have a solid record of drafting and developing.

    They won’t however be in the playoffs before the Oilers. Looks like the great one has found another Sergei Shirokov to fawn over. :)

  60. The Great One says:

    Dennis King ‏@DKingBH 17m

    I’ve obtained a copy of Christian Ehrhoff’s no-trade list: Oilers, Oilers, Oilers, Oilers, Oilers, Oilers, Oilers, Washington Generals

  61. The Great One says:

    Bank Shot:
    Buffalo should rebuild faster than the Oilers because they have a solid record of drafting and developing.

    They won’t however be in the playoffs before the Oilers. Looks like the great one has found another Sergei Shirokov to fawn over.

    Buffalo plays in the EC.

    The Oilers play in the WC where at least 13 teams are better than them and are tracking better.

    That will be 14 if Seattle gets an expansion franchise.

    No brainer.

  62. Crooked says:

    I like Hemsky, always have, but I think his time in Edmonton is done.

  63. sliderule says:

    The Great One:
    Sam Bennett with a 3G 1A performance tonight.

    Vancouver prospect Dane Fox with his junior leading 58th goal of the season.

    Sorry great one Canucks along with Flames and Jets have the worst drafting record in nhl over last ten years.

    There will be lots of angst in west over the next 10 years which is the time frame I think it will be before they can recover.

  64. The Great One says:

    sliderule: Sorry great one Canucksalong with Flames and Jets have the worst drafting record in nhl over last ten years.

    There will be lots of angst in west over the next 10 years which is the time frame I think it will be before they can recover.

    Thing is…the Canucks and the Flames seem willing to move assets for the future while MacT seems set on incremental improvements.

    The next 5 days should be very interesting.

    P.S.

    You’re still thinking the only way to build a winner is solely through the draft.

  65. Captain Smarmy says:

    The Great One: No.

    The soup of 2016.

    Book it.

    I look forward to you keeping me updated on their prospects.

  66. sliderule says:

    The Great One,

    Pretty much.

  67. admiralmark says:

    i believe MacT and Hemsky are caught in a odd situation. I believe that Hemsky looks at Eberle and Yakupov and knows he will see predominately 3rd line playing time. I also believe even though he may only get you a 3rd round pick he can still find a team as a UFA that will give him $4.5 per. x 2. So those two things combined mean Hemsky in all likelihood would not want to sign in EDM. It sucks but its simply the state of affairs. If MacT truly had faith in him he would trade Eberle + parts for a 1st Pair Dman and kept Hemsky. I think its clear even he doesn’t see him as a top 2 line player.

  68. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Are Oilers fans going to be talking about Connor McDavid?

    I just cannot say deny that possibility any more.

  69. steveb12344 says:

    Pitlick just scored in OT to win it for the Barons

  70. Lowetide says:

    Pitlick 1-1-2 tonight, including OT winner. Now 30, 7-10-17 and a possible callup after the deadline.

  71. fifthcartel says:

    “The other two Kings roster players who are theoretically available in a trade are Kyle Clifford and Alec Martinez. As we first reported last month (and thank you to Bob McKenzie for properly crediting MM with having that deal days before the rest of the national media), Clifford was the central figure in a deal the Kings had going with the Oilers for Sam Gagner. From what we’ve learned, the trade essentially fell apart as Edmonton tried to change the deal points at the last minute – looking for a prospect as compensation for retaining part of Gagner’s salary instead of a draft pick.”

    - From Mayor’s Manor

    This made me laugh a lot. Edmonton didn’t want to retain salary unless they were also going to get a prospect instead of a package that Kyle Clifford was going to be the centrepiece of.

  72. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    stupid OKC stream crapped out on me right after the Eager goal. probably karma for how funny I thought it was watching Eager score on Labarbera.

    Strong game by Pitlick. He’ll get his second look after the deadline.

  73. The Great One says:

    Cogliano with his 18th.

    Didn’t I mention theOilers should have kept Cogs and traded Sam?

    Yes, Yes I did,

  74. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Platzer with an assist tonight
    MOR with a goal 2 dangerous shots; 2 shots; 10 of 16 in the dot; 1 hit

  75. godot10 says:

    gcw_rocks:
    I am surprised the Sabres didn’t hold out for Allen. If they could have got him, they would have been set. If they can’t sign Halak or if they trade him they end up with a big question mark in goal.

    They can trade a 2nd round draft pick to Toronto for Reimer, to pair with Enroth, who is a pretty good goaltender.

  76. RexLibris says:

    sliderule: Sorry great one Canucksalong with Flames and Jets have the worst drafting record in nhl over last ten years.

    There will be lots of angst in west over the next 10 years which is the time frame I think it will be before they can recover.

    Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, has a worse drafting record in the history of the NHL Entry Draft than Tampa Bay.

    Where most of the league is within a seven percentage point range of each other for finding actual NHL players, the Lightning, over the course of their entire NHL history, mind you, are so far down they would have to double their productivity to get to the lowly level of the Oilers.

    Buffalo actually has been one of the better drafting and developing franchises over the course of their history.

  77. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Platzer now has the same amount of points he had with London in half the games… TOI is a hell of a drug!

    with LDN: 39 9-8-17
    with OS: 20 11-6-17

  78. Lowetide says:

    fifthcartel:
    “The other two Kings roster players who are theoretically available in a trade are Kyle Clifford and Alec Martinez. As we first reported last month (and thank you to Bob McKenzie for properly crediting MM with having that deal days before the rest of the national media), Clifford was the central figure in a deal the Kings had going with the Oilers for Sam Gagner. From what we’ve learned, the trade essentially fell apart as Edmonton tried to change the deal points at the last minute – looking for a prospect as compensation for retaining part of Gagner’s salary instead of a draft pick.”

    - From Mayor’s Manor

    This made me laugh a lot. Edmonton didn’t want to retain salary unless they were also going to get a prospect instead of a package that Kyle Clifford was going to be the centrepiece of.

    I don’t think that deal is dead. Just saying.

  79. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: I don’t think that deal is dead. Just saying.

    Assuming the deal is Gagner for Clifford. Straight hockey trade.

    That looks all kinds of worse than Hodgson for Kassian. Which is already terrible.

    Such a deal would be deeply ironic, though and it really would have Hodgson-Kassian as its blueprint.

  80. 106 and 106 says:

    Lowetide,

    If your boss told you that “LT, we think we’ve seen enough – that losing has really affected your spirit and we’re going to send you away” then couldn’t and your contract is coming up and you can work in any other city in North America, would you stay with the guy who said that to you?

    My bags would be packed.

  81. fifthcartel says:

    Lowetide,

    Sadly I think you’re right. :(

  82. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Assuming the deal is Gagner for Clifford. Straight hockey trade.

    That looks all kinds of worse than Hodgson for Kassian. Which is already terrible.

    Such a deal would be deeply ironic, though and it really would have Hodgson-Kassian as it’s blueprint.

    I think it’s Gagner for Clifford and Alec Martinez.

  83. Younger Oil says:

    Lowetide: I think it’s Gagner for Clifford and Alec Martinez.

    And would that mean a pick as well if we retain salary? If so, that seems like a great trade to me…fills the 3LW hole in all likelihood, a bit more D depth, and another bullet for Stu. Also opens some room for Arco/Lander to get 20 games in the top 6 and earn another contract, while getting rid of one of our biggest defensive liabilities, and saving 200K in cap space.

  84. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: I think it’s Gagner for Clifford and Alec Martinez.

    I’m just delighted I can go back and edit my comments more than 5 mins afterwards. Now I only have to stare irritatedly at apostrophe errors when people quote me :)

    For Gagner it’s got to be one of the fancy prospects Fs or Muzzin. Clifford and Martinez is ok. not good enough though.

  85. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Younger Oil: If so, that seems like a great trade to me…fills the 3LW hole in all likelihood,

    You can’t put Clifford on the 3rd line. Besides 3LW is occupied by Hendricks. Another guy who doesn’t belong there.

  86. Pouzar says:

    J. Khaira, (15) (K. Bauml), 8:26 (PP)

  87. Younger Oil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: You can’t put Clifford on the 3rd line. Besides 3LW is occupied by Hendricks. Another guy who doesn’t belong there.

    While I agree he doesn’t belong on the 3rd line, as sad as it is he’d probably be our 3rd best LW as of now, especially if we are cleaning house at the deadline.

    I think they might move Hendricks to 4C though, especially if they find a place for Smyth to make a run for the cup. He played a few shifts there last night (or at least took a few faceoffs), didn’t he?

  88. Pouzar says:

    If Clifford, Martinez is the best they can do wouldn’t they be better off trading salary for picks and using the savings toward 2 really good 3rd liners (Moss, Winnik, Kulemin)?

  89. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Younger Oil: While I agree he doesn’t belong on the 3rd line, as sad as it is he’d probably be our 3rd best LW as of now, especially if we are cleaning house at the deadline.

    I think they might move Hendricks to 4C though, especially if they find a place for Smyth to make a run for the cup. He played a few shifts there last night (or at least took a few faceoffs), didn’t he?

    I agree they’ll probably play him up there. Hell two coaches have tried Kassian on the 1st line (granted he’s a better player than Clifford… more of an asshole though, obviously).

    I’m just embittered. Hemsky is leaving (I’ll never get over it… really), and Gagner (whom I like a lot but don’t have a weird irrational attachment to) is going for what normal society relegates to the meat packing field.

    Martinez is interesting though, I’ll grant you that.

    I’ll say this… If Clifford comes for real, I’d like to see MacT get a 5th for Gazdic. No reason for both. Run a lean fighting machine (i.e., lean on fighters).

  90. Thiru says:

    Do you think Hemsky makes that joke about the reporter being good at reading things if he’s on the way out?

    I think he stays.

  91. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Thiru:
    Do you think Hemsky makes that joke about the reporter being good at reading things if he’s on the way out?

    I think he stays.

    I really, really hope this is true.

    I actually thought he was just fucking with whomever it was… where I got hope was mentioning him talking to MacT several times and how we’d all know soon enough.

  92. Caramel Obvious says:

    Toffoli. Toffoli. Toffoli. Toffoli.

    Clifford is useless. No reason to trade for him at all.

    Selling your players short is how the Oilers got into this mess. They are better off doing nothing than doubling down on stupid.

    Bad trades are worse than no trades.

    Letting a depreciating asset walk for nothing in the offseason is worse than settling for a mid round pick.

    Third round picks or later are worth nothing. Not even magic beans. Don’t trade any real player for a third round pick.

    If Hemsky can’t get you a real player or a first round pick in return don’t trade him. I’d rather lose himm for nothing than trade him for nothing. A late second round pick is nothing.

    Play hardball you have nothing to lose. Remember, a late second round pick is nothing.

    For Gagner it is Toffoli or bust. Again, if you trade him for nothing now, you get nothing. If you wait you might get something later.

    You have to trade N. Schultz because he is nothing. And getting nothing for nothing is good. Same with R. Jones.

    Everyone else I hold onto until someone meets my reserve price, because getting nothing for something is bad.

  93. G Money says:

    Caramel Obvious:

    Third round picks or later are worth nothing.Not even magic beans.Don’t trade any real player for a third round pick.

    If Hemsky can’t get you a real player or a first round pick in return don’t trade him.I’d rather lose himm for nothing than trade him for nothing.A late second round pick is nothing.

    And getting nothing for nothing is good.

    Twenty games of a formerly elite but now clearly in decline player on a team playing out the string in a meaningless season is nothing.

    This is why you trade Hemsky for a pick.

    Because nothing for nothing is good.

  94. G Money says:

    If a player is a UFA and you see them as part of your future (at this point that list reads: Scrivens in pen, Belov in pencil) and you can’t sign them by the deadline, they must go.

    There is no value in them playing for this team for the rest of this season. Doing so means you are falling for the hockey equivalent of sunk cost syndrome.

    This team isn’t going anywhere until it’s three most glaring needs are filled: 2C, 1D, 2D

    If a player is not a UFA, you don’t trade them unless it is a logical step on the way towards addressing those glaring needs, which likely cannot be filled through free agency.

    Otherwise you are confusing motion with progress.

  95. mumbai max says:

    If Scrivens and Hemsky want to sign before the deadline, I sign them both and trade Eberle for a 1/2D. If they don’t want to re-sign before the deadline they have to be moved. No brainer. There is NO reason to keep them for the last 20 games. Remember the return we did NOT get last year on our spare parts?

  96. mumbai max says:

    P.S. The Eberle trade probably happens in the summer.

  97. Ribs says:

    Lowetide: I think it’s Gagner for Clifford and Alec Martinez.

    No! Only picks! None of these player things! Picks! Picks! more picks!

    Just thinking of how fun the remaining games could be without Scrivens, Bryzgalov, Gagner, Hemsky, Smyth, N.Schultz… No one to replace them… Great times ahead. Have fun ripping the rest of your hair out, Coach Short-Shorts!

  98. Hammers says:

    Buffalo setting up to have 4 maybe 5 first rd picks while keeping there 5 youngest players . Now that’s a rebuild in quick step . Based on the way things look for us Bennet or Reinhart maybe in the NHL next year . Our 1st becomes the only thing McT can’t trade away even though myself and many more said trade the pick . Role on march 5th .

  99. art vandelay says:

    Why would the Kings trade Toffoli for Gagner?
    Toffoli is young, talented and inexpensive.
    Gagner is older, useless and expensive.
    In a cap world, the Oilers should be paying someone else a 6th pick to take Gagner off their hands.

  100. auzy11 says:

    If your a BOLD man Mct you best get moving,Buffako will pass you in rebuild like Calgary has already….no time for chicenshits

  101. ashley says:

    Thiru:
    Do you think Hemsky makes that joke about the reporter being good at reading things if he’s on the way out?

    I think he stays.

    I think he’s just making an awkward joke there. Nothing to read into that part.

    I did say that he’s talked to MacT a few times, as indicated, and MacT has said that he might get traded at the deadline, but won’t know more until closer to that time. That’s basically what Hemsky summarized to the reporters.

    If MacT gets the right return, he’s going to trade him.

    The return won’t be there, so a trade is a mistake, IMO.

    On the other hand, if he won’t sign, maybe it’s over anyway. If that is the case, we start to see the casualties of being uncompetitive for such a long period of time. Next phase is trade requests and players sitting out. It’s a downward spiral of bad hockey.

  102. ashley says:

    Bad trades are worse than no trades.

    A seemingly obvious and simple observation sometimes lost in the heat of a trade deadline.

  103. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Yet another Hemsky thread that deals with half the issue. I’ll say the same thing I said the last 5 times it came up.

    1. Not sure why Hemsky would sign a contract here. If he doesn’t get top 6 minutes he won’t get much in his next contract. So regardless of what we offer it is conceivable that he leaves.

    2. “Sign Hemsky” means nothing. How does paying our third line 10 million per year help is plug holes at C and D? “Sign Hemsky IF he will accept a value contract that reflects his position as 3RW” is aore plausable statement.

    2b. See 1.

    3. Replacing Hemsky with a 3rd round pick > getting nothing in return.

    4. Replacing Hemsky with a 3rd round pick and a 3 million dollar UFA and 2 million of additional cap space to help fill a hole at C or D >>>>> overpaying Hemsky to score 40 points and go offside a bunch.

  104. sliderule says:

    RexLibris: Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, has a worse drafting record in the history of the NHL Entry Draft than Tampa Bay.

    Where most of the league is within a seven percentage point range of each other for finding actual NHL players, the Lightning, over the course of their entire NHL history, mind you, are so far down they would have to double their productivity to get to the lowly level of the Oilers.

    Buffalo actually has been one of the better drafting and developing franchises over the course of their history.

    Actually Rex they were not that bad from 2003 -10 the period I think as important for today’s team.

    Two of their six first rounders are playing and Connelly will shortly.They have seven later picks playing in nhl this year or played 200 games.

    The flames over same period have two of eight first rounders and only four of later picks which ties them with jets for fewest picks playing.

  105. gcw_rocks says:

    While I would prefer Allen, picking up Riemer would be a decent move.

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