DEADLINE MINUS 53

Wednesday at 1 Edmonton time, the trade deadline will close the curtain on the transaction window until the postseason. For Edmonton, that’s just a few weeks, but trades are rare during the playoffs so this is the last chance Texaco until the draft window.

TRADE DEADLINE VALUE TABLE

  • Ales Hemsky: First-round draft pick (or a second and a fourth).
  • Nick Schultz: A third round pick.
  • Ryan Smyth: A fourth round pick.
  • Corey Potter: A fourth round pick.
  • Anton Belov: A fourth round pick.
  • Ilya Bryzgalov: A fourth round pick.
  • Jesse Joensuu: A fourth round pick.
  • Taylor Fedun: A fourth round pick.
  • Mark Fraser: A fourth round pick.
  • Luke Gazdic: A fifth round pick.
  • Ryan Jones: A sixth round pick.
  • Denis Grebeshkov: A seventh round pick.
  • Ben Eager: A seventh round pick.

I’ve underlined the players who seem to be getting some ink around the internet these days. I’m hoping for a trade today or tomorrow and then a flurry of deals on deadline day. My guess remains three trades overall and four picks coming back. I think Hemsky, Nick Schultz and Ryan Smyth go, with Ilya Bryzgalov, Corey Potter and Anton Belov as possibles. Based on the number of scouts watching the Barons it’s reasonable to suggest one of the possible callups could be dealt too. Chicago dealing an AHL player (Pirri) for picks might be a template for a Lander or Arcobello deal.

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JIM MATHESON’S HOCKEY WORLD

There was a time when Jim Matheson would bat .500 at a deadline or draft, but the Tambellini era was a no-hitter for most. Is Matty back? He threw out a few predictions last night in the EJ, and here they are.

  • He has Hemsky going to Phoenix and says the Oilers are trying hard for a second round pick.
  • He predicts Nick Schultz to Boston and mentions a “medium” draft pick as the return. I predicted a third, which to my mind is a little better than a medium.
  • He mentions Ryan Smyth and slyly throws San Jose out. I think that’s a great match for 83.

FUSSY BRITCHES

In 2011 July 1, she tweeted out the signings about 15 minutes before each of them happened, missing on one (she had them signing Konopka, but everything else was solid). So, I’m going to list her rumors from March 1, it’ll be fun to see if she gets one or two right (which is more than most).

  • Ducks, Wild and Bruins are talking about Nick Schultz
  • Scrivens offered a 3-year extension by Oilers.
  • Leafs, Coyotes, Canucks and Kings have called after Gagner.
  • Penguins and Habs interested in Jones
  • Preds and Sabres interested in Anton Lander
  • Bryzgalov offered 1-year deal, declined and now they’re actively shopping him with interest from Pittsburgh.
  • Rangers frontrunners on Hemsky, also interested in Smyth.

CALLUPS

I think the Oilers have some decent callup options (Lander, Arcobello, Horak, Pitlick, Fedun, Klefbom) once the deals are made. We’ll know a lot about what they think of these prospects, because if they don’t get the call it’s reasonable to question their future with the team. Also, once they’re recalled do they sit or play? Do they play a role that suits their skill set? It’s all straight ahead.

My guesses for recall? Anton Lander, Tyler Pitlick, Oscar Klefbom.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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10 this morning on TSN 1260, it’s all about trade deadline this week. I’ll be part of a special deadline show Wednesday from 10 to 2, along with Dave Jamieson and Jason Strudwick. Today, deadline deals are the subject at hand, and scheduled to appear:

  • Scott Burnside, ESPN. Scott is all over the trade deadline, we’ll get the latest from him to start the show.
  • Travis Yost, Hockeybuzz. Travis covers the Senators, who are in Edmonton tomorrow night. Hemsky destination?
  • Ryan Batty, Copper and Blue. What would he like to see the Oilers do at the deadline?
  • Marc Majeau, TSN 1260. Marc was at the outdoor/indoor game in Vancouver, I’ll ask him how many coffees he drank.
  • Richard Cloutier, Puckrant. Richard has his finger on the pulse of the deadline, we’ll get the latest.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide_ on twitter. Breaking trades? Connor will play the music, usually after we announce it. That’s the strength of our show. Stay tuned!

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150 Responses to "DEADLINE MINUS 53"

  1. gcw_rocks says:

    How bad are the Oilers when an aging goalie would rather risk being out of the league permanently than sign with the Oilers?

  2. Lowetide says:

    gcw_rocks:
    How bad are the Oilers when an aging goalie would rather risk being out of the league permanently than sign with the Oilers?

    He may feel he can get more than one year elsewhere, and that’s probably true.

  3. daryl says:

    Every time my RSS feed lights up with a post from here, I rush over to see the “Sail On, ” post. This is killing me!

  4. LMHF#1 says:

    If it is true that they offered Bryzgalov an extension that makes me happy. He’s more than capable as a backup and a starter when the regular guy is hurt. Scrivens-Bryzgalov would do just fine behind an upgraded D.

    If PHX is your trading partner, it is Samuelsson or bust.

  5. Jordan says:

    LMHF#1:
    If PHX is your trading partner, it is Samuelsson or bust.

    I completely agree re: Samuelsson.

    Looking at what the two teams have, I could see a larger hockey deal here. I don’t know if its the “Buffalo Bold” flavour, but it could still be tasty.

  6. Prince Rupert's Oildrop says:

    Er, what happens when we lose Scrivens AND Bryzgalov? We’ll have like no goalies (by my count).

  7. PREDICKTER says:

    My buddy was in OKC this weekend with the Davidson dad and were having drinks with Todd Nelson last night so I figured this was my window to get any inside info, but I struck out. I was trying to find out who the coach thought would get a call up after the trade deadline. Sigh.

  8. Ryan says:

    If the Oilers can’t sign scrivens before the deadline, do they move him?

    Kesler’s sort of killed the market for Hemsky.

    I don’t think the Oilers will be able to move many of their 2nd tier ufa’s, but we’ll see.

  9. Ryan says:

    daryl:
    Every time my RSS feed lights up with a post from here, I rush over to see the “Sail On, ” post.This is killing me!

    You know that he’s already written the “Sail on Pardubice Prince” article, he’s just waiting to pull the trigger.

  10. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Cogliano just scored his 19th goal last night. 33 points on the season. Good thing we have size down the wing now…

  11. Pouzar says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    Cogliano just scored his 19th goal last night.33 points on the season.Good thing we have size down the wing now…

    Quick, someone dig up his winning percentage. *sigh*

  12. zatch says:

    Remind me who Fussy Britches is referring to?

  13. Jon K says:

    zatch,

    The twitter account using a picture of a European porn star, who when confronted with that fact maintained that she was said porn star but was now trying her hand at rumours about a losing sports franchise in a smallish North American city.

    It’s largely thought within the blogosphere that it is a ghost writer account for someone connected within the media (i.e. Bob Stauffer).

    My own thoughts are that it is likely some administrative staffer within the Oilers organization who has access to communications made in and out of that organization, as there has been a prior record of accuracy during busy trade talk periods.

  14. Bad Seed says:

    Looks like you can throw the Ducks in on the Hemsky action.

    http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/ana140302.html

  15. Rondo says:

    Redline’s Kyle Woodlief ranks players in the 2014 draft

    http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/5952761

  16. Pouzar says:

    Bad Seed:
    Looks like you can throw the Ducks in on the Hemsky action.

    http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/ana140302.html

    From that article…are any of these players?

    “TFP has learned that the Ducks are willing to move 22-year-old defenseman Sami Vatanen and are dangling him as trade bait.

    Vatanen, who was recently assigned to the Norfolk Admirals of the AHL, has registered six goals and eight assists for 14 points, along with 20 penalty minutes and a plus-two rating, in 41 games with the Ducks this season.

    He captured a bronze medal at the Winter Olympics with Finland.

    Young forwards Devante Smith-Pelly, Kyle Palmieri and Rickard Rakell could also be made available. “

  17. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Pouzar: Quick, someone dig up his winning percentage.*sigh*

    He’s on the wing now.

  18. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Also, that Mackinnon kid is something. 49 points in his first 61 games. Hall managed 42 in 65 in his first season – on a much worse team, granted…

  19. Bad Seed says:

    Pouzar,

    It’s hard to figure that MacT would have to settle for a 2nd with seemingly 5 teams in the hunt for Hemsky. I don’t know anything about Vatenen but he’s a Finn!

  20. Pouzar says:

    Bad Seed:
    Pouzar,

    It’s hard to figure that MacT would have to settle for a 2nd with seemingly 5 teams in the hunt for Hemsky.I don’t know anything about Vatenen but he’s a Finn!

    Soft minutes is a sheltered role but excelling at that role nonetheless.

  21. Clay says:

    Ryan: You know that he’s already written the “Sail on Pardubice Prince” article, he’s just waiting to pull the trigger.

    I’d bet LT has had that one in the can for so long, he can’t remember where he put it…

  22. jake70 says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    Also, that Mackinnon kid is something.49 points in his first 61 games.Hall managed 42 in 65 in his first season – on a much worse team, granted…

    Yeah, no way he would be available when the Oil are picking first overall 3 times in a row, no such luck. I’d trade any player on the Oilers for him.

    Hemsky – pretty sure LT had the sail on thing ready to post 3 or 4 years ago. Want to thank Hemmer for a great Olympic tournament, may just be the tipping point factor attracting the attention. I predict the return for him, be it players or picks, will be pivotal in the turnaround the team will make…..will be his thank you to the organization. (one can hope anyway)

  23. Pouzar says:

    Scrivens! SIGNED 2 years/2 mill!!!!!

  24. george_hamplas says:

    No offense Mr. Lowetide but you seem to always talk about this one time Treenasoil predicted a few signings 4 years ago but ignore the fact almost everything since has been false or vague and speculative. Do you honestly believe there’s a member of oilers management that risks their job and leaks inside info to a random twitter account (house of Cards style)? or that maybe that one day 4 years ago, treenasoil just happened to come by those signings from a msm news source before anyone else. i’m open to anything here but almost everything these so called insiders say seems to just paraphrase Dreger, Mackenzie,Lowetide etc…

  25. Pouzar says:

    Larsen on waivers.

  26. rich says:

    Scrivens signed at a reasonable number. Good move by MacT.

    Gives me continued hope.

  27. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    So many questions…..

    •Scrivens offered a 3-year extension by Oilers – He doesn’t take it? To me this doesn’t sit well…..

    If PHX/Hemsky is in play, the Oilers have to ask for Samuelsson right……right??

    Would you not think a player like Smyth not get better than a 3rd? Possible a 2nd?

    After this round of trades, what exactly do the Oiler have left to trade with?

  28. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Wes Mantooth-11,

    I wouldn’t give anything more than a 4th round pick for Smyth. Close to retirement, expiring contract, role player.

  29. RexLibris says:

    If the Gagner-Toronto rumours have any validity, that is my hope for a trading partner. They have blueliners to spare and Nonis is, shall we say, less than feared as a shrewd trading partner.

    If MacTavish could convince Maloney to do Hemsky for Samuelsson, I’ll forgive this organization the Kessy-Reider trade. That being said, Maloney stole that one from Tambellini, so either the Hockey Gods owe us one, or the Oilers will get robbed again by the Coyotes.

    That deal would probably have to be Hemsky and something for Samuelsson and a pick. Arcobello in the mix perhaps? Who knows, I don’t see Maloney moving a big, mean, scoring C/W for a rental, even if he is still playing junior.

    Schultz will probably get more than he is worth, and in the end Hemsky most likely gets less. Does that even out? I don’t think so.

    Shero would be wise to take Bryzgalov for a 6th rounder right now. He can’t be considered that much more a risk than Fleury given recent post-season history.

    I hope Jones finds a new home if only because it clears the deck for one of Pitlick or Horak.

    And I still believe that Potter has some value to an intelligent manager with defensive depth. Potter is low-event, safe plays for 8 minutes a night. Coaches like these guys in the post-season and injuries happen- he’d have been 2nd pairing in Buffalo in 2006.

    I also noticed Travis Yost had a nice piece in the EJ today. Interesting item there on MacDonald and Hemsky, noting overvaluing of the former and undervaluing of the latter.

  30. Hammers says:

    I still don’t get it as to returns on these players . Any team is allowed to keep money back on trades and the way the Oil waste money that should be a chip they should play . Surely Hemsky at half price to Phoenix should be worth a Samuelson or Hemmer & Smyth to the Rangers for a prospect and a 2nd rd pick if we send them at half price . I have always wondered why nobody uses this time to basically add opportunity to the top teams that have injuries etc . Pittsburg looses Letang and needs a RW so to help them get under there cap you send Schultz & Hemmer but make it a hockey deal . Just wondering as I remember years ago Montreal always offering up a good player to a team for there 1st .Use everything at your disposal .

  31. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    Scrivens sign’s two years.

  32. russ99 says:

    Nice move on the Scrivens signing, at worst, he’s a quality backup at a good price.

    I hope MacT didn’t promise him a starting role to get him to sign so cheaply, and I’d like to see MacT sign a 1A goalie in FA to push him a little.

  33. LMHF#1 says:

    A sane move?

    I don’t know how to feel just now.

  34. Ribs says:

    I think the Oilers have some decent callup options (Lander, Arcobello, Horak, Pitlick, Fedun, Klefbom) once the deals are made. We’ll know a lot about what they think of these prospects, because if they don’t get the call it’s reasonable to question their future with the team. Also, once they’re recalled do they sit or play? Do they play a role that suits their skill set?

    Playing the role of “Roadkill” tonight, Your Oklahoma Barons!

  35. RexLibris says:

    Pouzar:
    Scrivens! SIGNED 2 years/2 mill!!!!!

    The sun just starting shining a little brighter.

    Thank you.

  36. RexLibris says:

    Pouzar:
    Larsen on waivers.

    All hope now rests on a 7th round pick in 2016.

    ;)

  37. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    LMHF#1,

    At the very least the Oilers have a legit back up; according to some people this is more than they have had in the last 5 years.

  38. Ducey says:

    Pouzar:
    Larsen on waivers.

    Clearing a roster spot for Webber, no doubt.

  39. Pouzar says:

    RexLibris: All hope now rests on a 7th round pick in 2016.

    Finally have competition for Dubnyk!

  40. Caramel Obvious says:

    The Scrivens signing is huge. I’d prefer it to be for another year at more money but there is no way to spin this into a bad thing.

    There is so much reflexive criticism in Oilerland because the team is so bad it is worth rethinking (and taking back) the criticism from that day. The Dubnyk and Scrivens deals need to be considered in tandem. The Oilers are much better now, for the present and the future, because of those deals.

    What I’ve learned this year is that it is harder to be a general manager than you think. I was reading the weekend threads last night and it struck me that in all those threads there wasn’t a single idea that was both good and realistic. That’s how far from contention the Oilers are. The closet thing to a reasonable retrospective plan is GCW’s sign everyone and have everything work out plan. Which is, of course, not realistic.

    So this is good news. The only kind of good news the Oilers can reasonably expect.

    The bad news is that everything is windowdressing. The team won’t win until Hall, Hopkins, Yakupov, and Schultz become stars. If they never become stars this team will never win. Tambellini put all the eggs in this basket and there is no going back now.

    However, with the Scrivens signing now we have the kind of piece that if they become stars they have a chance to win. Hence Scrivens is a necessary but not sufficient cause.

  41. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    Dubnyk on waivers……………..boy oh boy.

  42. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Wes Mantooth-11:
    Dubnyk on waivers……………..boy oh boy.

    Wow, you have a kid, you stink up the joint for a couple of weeks, don’t quite recover, get traded, and then your career is over.

    From a personal high to a career low in 6 months.

  43. Caramel Obvious says:

    Now trade for Byfuglien. That’s the kind of unrealistic but completely awesome move the Oilers should try. Of course, the question of who they should trade is somewhat of a mystery.

    But Byfuglien is a great, great, player.

  44. Pouzar says:

    2 years/4.6 mill for Scrivens

  45. Lynas1 says:

    TSN says oilers inked Scrivens for 2Y at just over 2 million. Value contract. Hope he doesn’t Dubnyk on us.

  46. gmac2412 says:

    At least the Scrivens signing is at reasonable $$$s, even if the term is not as long as we might have hoped for.

    The good news as far as I see it, is that this is a relatively low risk, potentially high reward type of deal:

    1) This gives us more of a chance to see what we have with Scrivens over a longer term and we can re-up Scrivens at the end of next year if he is as good as we hope he can be;
    2) One of our own players wants to stay here!!;
    3) The $$$s on offer make this an expensive, but not crazy expensive back up; and
    4) Contract should still be tradeable going forward;

  47. Ryan says:

    Lynas1:
    TSN says oilers inked Scrivens for 2Y at just over 2 million.Value contract.Hope he doesn’t Dubnyk on us.

    wow. i like this.

  48. Ryan says:

    Wes Mantooth-11:
    Dubnyk on waivers……………..boy oh boy.

    Larsen too.

  49. RexLibris says:

    Wes Mantooth-11:
    Dubnyk on waivers……………..boy oh boy.

    The trade for Hendricks doesn’t seem so bad now. The Oilers got the actual NHL player in the deal.

    Maybe two years from now neither is in the NHL, but I think this gives us a more complete picture of the value of the asset they let go.

    How funny would it be if Pittsburgh claims him on waivers and he gets a playoff start?

  50. Truth says:

    If I was any GM in the league I’d be all over Hemsky for a 2nd round pick. They should be willing to do the 2nd round pick immediately and the Oilers should be pushing for a first.

    Douglas Murray was traded for TWO 2nd round picks last year. An overpayment no doubt, but let’s get real here, Hemsky is most definitely worth more than a 3rd.

  51. RexLibris says:

    Pouzar:
    2 years/4.6 mill for Scrivens

    $4.6 million can buy a man a lot of bubble wrap.

    https://vine.co/u/950570370048618496

  52. Ryan says:

    Odd that the Oilers put Larsen on waivers unless a deal bring us an actual NHL player is brewing?

    The Oilers are still trying to move a few dmen, you’d think they’d be in no rush to send Larsen out on waivers.

  53. Hockeyman 99 says:

    What about Perron for Galchenyuck. French Canadien goes home is powerful in that market and they win the deal initially but it fills a hole and gives yak a centre. I would try to expand the deal to include Subban and Patches. Maybe Eberle and the first this year does it. Now that is Bold and Realistic as both players from Montreals side have had rumours swirling and perron is better than Alex right now and he speaks the right language. Add here or there but I think it could work.

  54. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    Ryan,

    Ryan: Larsen too.

    I can’t understand why we seen so much Larsen and not enough Fedun?

  55. Truth says:

    With Hemsky and potentially Gagner on the way out, how is there no chatter on Edmonton being interested in Callahan? His downfall is that he is a W not a C, but he seems to be the kind of player the Oilers need to play in the top 6. Currently a captain and he plays in the tough areas on the ice. His contract demands seem high, but you aren’t going to get good players without paying them.

  56. Ducey says:

    Truth:
    With Hemsky and potentially Gagner on the way out, how is there no chatter on Edmonton being interested in Callahan?His downfall is that he is a W not a C, but he seems to be the kind of player the Oilers need to play in the top 6.Currently a captain and he plays in the tough areas on the ice.His contract demands seem high, but you aren’t going to get good players without paying them.

    There is no chatter because it makes no sense.

    The Oilers would have to give up someone useful to the Rangers to get Callahan, who would play here for 19 games and then leave.

  57. Ribs says:

    Ryan:
    Odd that the Oilers put Larsen on waivers unless a deal bring us an actual NHL player is brewing?

    The Oilers are still trying to move a few dmen, you’d think they’d be in no rush to send Larsen out on waivers.

    Larsen appears to have some strange illness that no one can figure out. Doubt anyone takes him.

  58. lazerguidedmelody says:

    “If any team is going to hit the big red button marked “Detonate” at the trade deadline, you’d think it would be the Oilers. They’ve picked up where they left off after the Olympic break, losing twice while scoring only one goal, including Saturday’s 2-1 overtime loss to the Flames. They’re also the only team with a realistic chance of “catching” the Sabres for last overall. Craig MacTavish promised us bold moves and hasn’t delivered so far. For entertainment’s sake, here’s hoping he’s been saving it up for this week”.

    Sean McIndoe – Grantland

  59. Woodguy says:

    Love the Scrivens deal.

    Would have preferred MacT go 3-4 years on a bigger bet so he’s cheaper in years 3-4 than he is now if (when) he works out.

    Still, great signing and good trade by MacT.

    Can we please see the last of Fraser and N.Shultz on Tues?

    Man, they just bring the whole thing down.

  60. Lynas1 says:

    Wes Mantooth-11:
    Ryan,

    I can’t understand why we seen so much Larsen and not enough Fedun?

    Agree

  61. Truth says:

    Ducey,

    Even if he is valued at 2x Hemsky he doesn’t get something useful as a walking UFA. If he agrees to sign he’ll be traded for something useful.

  62. Lynas1 says:

    Woodguy:
    Love the Scrivens deal.

    Would have preferred MacT go 3-4 years on a bigger bet so he’s cheaper in years 3-4 than he is now if (when) he works out.

    Still, great signing and good trade by MacT.

    Can we please see the last of Fraser and N.Shultz on Tues?

    Man, they just bring the whole thing down.

    Agree on all counts WG

  63. LMHF#1 says:

    Woodguy:

    Can we please see the last of Fraser ?

    Not surprising, but watching the former Marlies (other than Scrivens) be brought in and fail so miserably speaks to Eakins talent evaluation skills. In other words – make him stick to his day job.

    Remember the heady days of Will Acton and Ryan Hamilton…YUCKYUCKYUCK.

  64. Lois Lowe says:

    I like the Scrivens deal. At the very least it brings a modicum of stability to the position going into the draft and summer.

  65. Ryan says:

    Woodguy,

    As bad as Oilers management has been over the years at asset management etc, you have to feel for a guy like Mact.

    He gets completely blindsided this season with the demise of Dubnyk and the whole Gagner / Kassian situation magnifies a mistake he made (not grabbing grabovski from wiavers and trading Gagner last summer).

    If it weren’t for bad luck as they say.

  66. Melman says:

    Per TSN – Spezza may be on the block.

    Gagner + Hemsky for 1 year of Spezza? Is that a win-win?

  67. Bad Seed says:

    Bohologo,

    I think we’d all be pretty happy about .921

    Nice thing about the signing too is that maybe MacT pulls back on the Cam Ward sweepstakes.

  68. The Great One says:

    Bohologo:
    Scrivens has played seven games for the Oilers, yielding a .940 save percentage.

    Can we agree that a) this is a small sample size, b) he’s likely to revert to his (small sample size) NHL average of .921, if not lower, and c) that despite a and b, this is a good bet, given the term and the money?

    I think it’s a good bet.

    Nothing wrong with .921 if he can post that percentage consistently.

    Puts him ahead of more than a few good NHL goaltenders.

  69. Woodguy says:

    LMHF#1: Not surprising, but watching the former Marlies (other than Scrivens) be brought in and fail so miserably speaks to Eakins talent evaluation skills. In other words – make him stick to his day job.

    Remember the heady days of Will Acton and Ryan Hamilton…YUCKYUCKYUCK.

    There’s a smell in the locker room that just won’t go away.

  70. Bad Seed says:

    Ryan,

    I don’t think he was blindsided about Dubnyk from his comments before the season. You may say that maybe had something to do with Dubnyk’s confidence although I don’t know how fragile he is.

  71. Woodguy says:

    Ryan:
    Woodguy,

    As bad as Oilers management has been over the years at asset management etc, you have to feel for a guy like Mact.

    He gets completely blindsided this season with the demise of Dubnyk and the whole Gagner / Kassian situation magnifies a mistake he made (not grabbing grabovski from wiavers and trading Gagner last summer).

    If it weren’t for bad luck as they say.

    No question.

    I actually saw Hendricks good on Saturday too.

    I just want him to create roster competition with good young players on the 4th like ANA, CHI, LAK, etc do.

    Taking players straight from AHL and dumping them on a NHL scoring line is tough sledding.

    For years all players except the exceptional ones started on the 4th and the good teams are getting back to that instead of “energy” lines.

    Good kids trying to move up the depth chart brings pleanty of energy.

    I’d love to see Eberle play like he had to work for his roster spot. Would be much better for everyone.

  72. Ducey says:

    LMHF#1: Not surprising, but watching the former Marlies (other than Scrivens) be brought in and fail so miserably speaks to Eakins talent evaluation skills. In other words – make him stick to his day job.

    Remember the heady days of Will Acton and Ryan Hamilton…YUCKYUCKYUCK.

    Fraser doesn’t have anything to do with talent evaluation. I doubt they thought he was going to help much but given he cost nothing to bring in, they decided to take flyer for half a season. He did have some meagre success in the past.

    If they wind up dumping Nultz and Belov, he will be useful to have around.

  73. Melman says:

    Lois Lowe,

    Agree. He’s at an age where he’ll prove one way or the other whether he can be a starter next season. If he is, then the team has a year to try and sign him long term, or you find out he’s a very solid backup and go from there.

  74. russ99 says:

    Ryan:
    Woodguy,

    As bad as Oilers management has been over the years at asset management etc, you have to feel for a guy like Mact.

    He gets completely blindsided this season with the demise of Dubnyk and the whole Gagner / Kassian situation magnifies a mistake he made (not grabbing grabovski from wiavers and trading Gagner last summer).

    If it weren’t for bad luck as they say.

    Revisionist history on Grabovski. He was bought out on July 4th, well before MacT made a decision on Gagner, who signed on July 21st. He also made the Perron trade and we signed Gordon and Ference.

    There’s no way MacT could have signed Grabovski under the cap (much less promise him the role/icetime he required to sign with anyone after hating being on the 3rd line in Toronto) – until well after the Gagner situation was settled. Grabovski signed with the Caps in mid-August, and was in Europe in July and not entertaining offers at that point.

    Plus I don’t see him dumping Gagner for pennies on the dollar leaving a gaping hole that you wish may be filled over a month later when Grabovski got around to considering offers. Then what would we be left with if he signed elsewhere??

  75. Glock9 says:

    @Woodguy
    There’s a smell in the locker room that just won’t go away.

    Sadly, we will start next season with it……

  76. Yeti says:

    Woodguy: I’d love to see Eberle play like he had to work for his roster spot. Would be much better for everyone.

    Yes. Rather than do that, MacT seems to have bought into the idea that bringing in ‘character’ guys who inspire and set an example by their attitude (Ference, Hendricks) is the way to get the top-6 kids to exert 100% effort 100% of the time. Perhaps Old Timey coach had a point when he dumped Gagner on the 4th line?

  77. Hammers says:

    Yeti: Yes. Rather than do that, MacT seems to have bought into the idea that bringing in ‘character’ guys who inspire and set an example by their attitude (Ference, Hendricks) is the way to get the top-6 kids to exert 100% effort 100% of the time. Perhaps Old Timey coach had a point when he dumped Gagner on the 4th line?

    You make a good point in saying Pat Quinn rated Gags as a 4th line center but Pat was still passed it when we got him .

  78. gogliano says:

    Scrivens signing probably increases the chances of Bryz heading out of town at the deadline. He should be a good low cost insurance option for a contender worried about getting Bergeroned in Game 1 of the finals.

  79. misfit says:

    Melman:
    Per TSN – Spezza may be on the block.

    Gagner + Hemsky for 1 year of Spezza?Is that a win-win?

    It’s a win for the Oilers, that much is certain. It’s true (and likely) that Spezza could walk after his one year is up, but there’s no doubt in my mind that he would be worth the risk. We’re really only giving up Gagner for him considering Hemsky is a UFA who is apparently only worth a 3rd round pick. And 1 year of Spezza is definitely worth more than 2 years of Gagner.

    I don’t get how it’s a win for Ottawa though (or Spezza who would have to waive a NTC to come here).

  80. Gerta Rauss says:

    russ99,

    I’m sure Ryan and others will chime in with their opinions, but if we had grabbed Grabo on waivers his old contract would have come with….what was it…$5.5M with 5 years left..?

    So MacT would not have had to promise Grabo anything. I agree with your point though…taking on Grabo’s contract would have affected MacT’s flexibility to sign Gordon and Gagner and Ference…it would have changed the dynamic of the whole summer(for better or worse)

  81. ashley says:

    I have to give MacT credit on Dubnyk. He called it in the summer that goaltending was weak while we were all singing the praises of our 1G.

    Remember our incredible goaltending depth circa 2008-2009? Two great goaltenders coming up in the system for which we spent a first rounder (DD) and a high second rounder (JDD). Lowe was so worried about losing one of them to waivers, he ran with 3 goalies for an entire year.

    JDD eventually makes his way to OKC via waivers and goes unsigned by EDM. Flushed.

    DD gets dealt to a poor team and (probably) find himself outside of the NHL within months. What an awful investment for this club, and an unfortunate turn of events for these two young men.

    On the other hand, perhaps neither of them would have played in the NHL if it weren’t for the 2008-2013 Edmonton Oilers.

  82. denny33 says:

    A 30 year old – soon to be UFA – who has 2 more goals than Tom Sestito for a Top prospect in the Coyotes organization ( selected 1st round – 27th overall in 2012)

    Got it…..

  83. nycoil says:

    Larsen on waivers instead of Fraser hurts my brain. Not that Larsen is a valuable piece, but come on.
    Fraser, at this point, is not a replacement level NHL player.

  84. Pouzar says:

    denny33:
    A 30 year old – soon to be UFA – who has 2 more goals than Tom Sestito for a Top prospect in the Coyotes organization ( selected 1st round – 27th overall in 2012)

    Got it…..

    Agreed…the Coyotes should add a pick or two.

  85. godot10 says:

    gcw_rocks:
    How bad are the Oilers when an aging goalie would rather risk being out of the league permanently than sign with the Oilers?

    Ilya would like to mention that over the next 13 years, he will be receiving an average of about $3 million dollars per season less escrow from the Philadelphia Flyers.

  86. Ryan says:

    russ99: Revisionist history on Grabovski. He was bought out on July 4th, well before MacT made a decision on Gagner, who signed on July 21st. He also made the Perron trade and we signed Gordon and Ference.

    There’s no way MacT could have signed Grabovski under the cap (much less promise him the role/icetime he required to sign with anyone after hating being on the 3rd line in Toronto) – until well after the Gagner situation was settled. Grabovski signed with the Caps in mid-August, and was in Europe in July and not entertaining offers at that point.

    Plus I don’t see him dumping Gagner for pennies on the dollar leaving a gaping hole that you wish may be filled over a month later when Grabovski got around to considering offers. Then what would we be left with if he signed elsewhere??

    Dude, this is not revisionist history. Quite frankly, it wasn’t even my idea. It was widely discussed here at this very blog when grabovski was put on waivers. I think Dellow may have been one to float the idea, but I could be wrong. I do recall that Dellow liked grabo.

    Anyway, grabo at 5.5 waiver claim no signing required. That’s 0.7 more tha. We signed Gagner for. Gagner had more value last summer than he does now.

  87. Ryan says:

    Sorry for all of the periods. What can I say, iphone.

  88. stevezie says:

    Caramel Obvious: What I’ve learned this year is that it is harder to be a general manager than you think.

    Yes. Very much so. I don’t even like throwing out deals any more because it is crystal clear there is no universal market- players are worth what you can get for them and who knows how much individual GMs value specific players?

    Did the Douglas Murray trade make sense? Or the Varlamov signing? Someone earlier suggested Gagner and Hemsky for Spezza, does that make sense? Maybe, depending on what Murray wants to do with his team. This isn’t like going to the grocery store and paying two bucks for soup because that’s what soup is worth.

    Just look at this season- The Coach and GM went into the year with a plan that looked good, and actually seemed to be working. I liked a lot of what I saw for the first twenty games. Not everything, but a lot. I think Dubnyk and Labarbera gave away enough games that players stopped buying in and adjustments were forced. I haven’t liked any of the adjustments, but what the hell do I know? Making moves is obviously a much, much trickier game than it looks like from the sidelines.

    I am so absolutely baffled by how GMs operate- making moves that would get you laughed at in a fantasy league- that we can only conclude that either A) The NHL isn’t just insular, it is so insular mentally handicapped people can get and keep jobs as long as they used to be good skaters, or B) There is an awful lot going on we’re not aware of.

    The easy answer is it is a combination of the two, and I have no problem with that, but I think it’s easy to focus on the first and forget the second. The thing I was struck with more than anything else from C&B’s “Worst GMs of All Time” tournament was, apart from Milbury, none of the guys seemed irredeemably stupid. They all just tried a bunch of stuff that didn’t work.

    Getting a hockey team to work is really tricky.

  89. Ryan says:

    Anyway, back to work for me.

    Sure I don’t love Grabo at 5.5, but look at the list of pending UFA’s.

    Unless MacT can pull off a miracle like sign statsny or pry O’reilly from Colorado, we’re scraping the barrel after Gagner gets traded.

  90. godot10 says:

    Hammers:
    I still don’t get it as to returns on these players . Any team is allowed to keep money back on trades and the way the Oil waste money that should be a chip they should play . Surely Hemsky at half price to Phoenix should be worth a Samuelson or Hemmer & Smyth to the Rangers for a prospect and a 2nd rd pick if we send them at half price . I have always wondered why nobody uses this time to basically add opportunity to the top teams that have injuries etc . Pittsburg looses Letang and needs a RW so to help them get under there cap you send Schultz & Hemmer but make it a hockey deal . Just wondering as I remember years ago Montreal always offering up a good player to a team for there 1st .Use everything at your disposal .

    Hemsky has only $1 million dollars left on his contract (under 20 games). If the Oilers retain half of that, the max, it is $500K. $500K is not going to get you a better draft pick or prospect for him.

    The only reason the Oilers might keep salary in a Hemsky deal is if the other team is up against the actual this year, and can’t make the deal without the Oilers retaining salary.

  91. Pouzar says:

    Can we afford a Stastny overpay AND a huge PK offer sheet?

  92. Pouzar says:

    Hey Scrives,

    If you let in a couple “softies” you just point to your save % brutha! No worries!

    Signed,

    Devan Dubnyk

  93. VanOil says:

    Glad Scrivens is with the Oilers for the next 2 years. A guy that never had a certain NHL career becomes a multi-millionaire and has a record setting game for his home town team that will live on in the minds of fans for ages. Good things happening to a good guy. A smart, attractive and sporty wife as well ~ he kind of deserves the Edmonton weather this morning to keep him grounded.

  94. lazerguidedmelody says:

    Belov out a few weeks with muscle knack, as per Rishaug. So no 5th round pick for him.

  95. Ryan says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    russ99,

    I’m sure Ryan and others will chime in with their opinions, but if we had grabbed Grabo on waivers his old contract would have come with….what was it…$5.5M with 5 years left..?

    So MacT would not have had to promise Grabo anything.I agree with your point though…taking on Grabo’s contract would have affected MacT’s flexibility to sign Gordon and Gagner and Ference…it would have changed the dynamic of the whole summer(for better or worse)

    Not too much though if there was a market for sam wise last summer.

    The difference was 0.7m

  96. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Two pieces of good news today.

    That Scrivens signing is pure gold. Should be a year or two longer, but I won’t pick a fight with it. Scrivens wants to protect his upside.

    The other is the Belov injury. If they weren’t going to trade him, that sucks. But I think they very well might have and the won’t now. I’m not ready to say by and I remain intrigued by the WOWY numbers. I still think running him with 2 or 19 through the rest of the year is a good move to see if he can repeat his early season success.

  97. Gerta Rauss says:

    Ryan,

    yeah for sure, but context is important here:

    -MacT had ,just weeks before, been quite vocal about Sam’s future with the Oilers and how they did not want him to be the youngest UFA in NHL history…they had made up their minds, Sam was a big part of the future

    -Horcoff had yet to be dealt…if memory servers Grabo was on waivers the same morning that Horc was dealt- could they have pivoted quickly when Grabo was waived..?..sure, but the Oiler org isn’t known for thinking on their feet

    -UFA season hadn’t opened yet, so they didn’t have Ference or Gordon signed yet, although you could argue they would/could/might have spoken to them at this point

    -there was a narrative floating around that Grabo was “bad in the room”…this morphed into “Grabo is not a character guy”…”not a MacT type of player”

    8 months later, a broken jaw, and a rising cap, would Grabovski look good on this roster..?…He sure would, but hindsight is always 20/20

  98. Gerta Rauss says:

    Oh, and love the Scrivens signing.

    One less item on the “to do” list for this summer.

  99. VanOil says:

    When Hemsky resigns a multi-year deal with the Oilers I hope his agent leaks it to LT first a a thank you for years of support. Then LT would be an inside guy and we could blame him for the deal.

    If I were Anaheim I would look to re-unite Hemsky and Penner.

  100. Ducey says:

    Pouzar:
    Hey Scrives,

    If you let in a couple “softies” you just point to your save % brutha! No worries!

    Signed,

    Devan Dubnyk

    Can’t fool me.

    Signed,

    MacT

  101. Henry says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Two pieces of good news today.

    That Scrivens signing is pure gold. Should be a year or two longer, but I won’t pick a fight with it. Scrivens wants to protect his upside.

    The other is the Belov injury. If they weren’t going to trade him, that sucks. But I think they very well might have and the won’t now. I’m not ready to say by and I remain intrigued by the WOWY numbers. I still think running him with 2 or 19 through the rest of the year is a good move to see if he can repeat his early season success.

    I agree with both statements. I hope Belov gets back in time to sharpen his game in the eyes of management, but am glad he is not to be traded.

  102. Henry says:

    LT,

    If 83 is finally traded I will be sad, morose even.

    Should this happen, could you put up another ScarJo gif, perhaps the bouncing in the pool one? Actually, if he is miraculously signed, could you put up the same gif? Thanks.

  103. russ99 says:

    Ryan,

    I don’t see any NHL GM biting on pre-buyout waivers.

    Why take a player for full price when you can get them vastly cheaper once he clears waivers and is bought out?

  104. Gerta Rauss says:

    Daniel Sedin out 3 weeks…does Gillis re-tool now or hang in there trying to make the playoffs..?

    Edler is the only Canuck I’d like to see in an Oilers uni but I doubt he’d waive to join this dumpster fire of an organization

    Interesting times on the West Coast

  105. Gerta Rauss says:

    russ99,

    The argument would be you know exactly what you are getting..ie: contract and term- and you know for certain you are going to get him

    If he gets bought out, he is a UFA and you are bidding with the other 28 teams

    It’s an internet argument, but an argument nonetheless

    It’s a moo point now

  106. Magnus says:

    Ducey:
    The Oilers are apparently after Markov

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-trades/nhl-trade-rumours-latest-buzz-ahead-of-2014-nhl-trade-deadline-maple-leafs-oilers-canadiens-sabres-flames-canucks-panthers-islanders/

    This would be typical of MacT. One step forward, 2 steps back…

    Am I the only person that finds it odd that there’s no talk of Chris Stewart? He seems to be exactly what the team has been saying they’re looking for. A young power forward, who while being inconstant, is physical, has skill and can play with skill.

  107. Woodguy says:

    Jim Matheson ‏@NHLbyMatty 6m
    Anton Belov who was certainly trade bait as ufa def out 2 wks or more with oblique muscle tear. Teams might enquire on corey potter.#

  108. Woodguy says:

    Ryan:
    Anyway, back to work for me.

    Sure I don’t love Grabo at 5.5, but look at the list of pending UFA’s.

    Unless MacT can pull off a miracle like sign statsny or pry O’reilly from Colorado, we’re scraping the barrel after Gagner gets traded.

    Oilers will trade a winger for 2C this summer.

    Heard that in two spots.

  109. The Great One says:

    Woodguy: Oilers will trade a winger for 2C this summer.

    Heard that in two spots.

    What do you think they’ll do with Gagner?

  110. Ryan says:

    Woodguy: Oilers will trade a winger for 2C this summer.

    Heard that in two spots.

    What will they trade to get a #1,#2, or #3 defenseman?

  111. The Great One says:

    Sports Illustrated with some “realistic” trade proposals:

    “New Jersey sends Adam Larsson and a second rounder to Edmonton for Nail Yakupov: The noise out of New Jersey suggests the Devils will be buyers with an eye on making the playoffs, but that feels like an out-of-character mindset for a team that’s always taken the long view. That’s why a deal along these lines might make more sense.

    The Devils have depth on D, with Jon Merrill and Cam Severson in their system, but they really need a dynamic presence up front. Yakupov’s defensive commitment might need to be recalibrated in order to succeed in New Jersey, but there’s no denying his offensive potential. In return, the Oilers get a highly regarded prospect who projects as a skillsy, top-pair minute muncher.”

    http://nhl.si.com/2014/03/03/nhl-2014-trade-deadline-matchmaker/

  112. anonymous says:

    A big fail for the Oilers rebuild is only 1 extra first round pick acquired during 5 years in the basement. Buffalo on the other hand in half the time will likely have 6 or 7 counting last year. Maybe more.

  113. AZOIL says:

    Spezza out of Ottawa would work well for our 1/2C no? What would Ottawa want for him? He must want out of there is they are testing the market, who knows if he wants to come here though?

  114. Yeti says:

    The Great One: New Jersey sends Adam Larsson and a second rounder to Edmonton for Nail Yakupov

    Would you pull the trigger on that, oh greatest of great ones?

  115. Prince Rupert's Oildrop says:

    Hammers:
    Hammers says:
    March 3, 2014 at 10:08 am

    I still don’t get it as to returns on these players . Any team is allowed to keep money back on trades and the way the Oil waste money that should be a chip they should play . Surely Hemsky at half price to Phoenix should be worth a Samuelson or Hemmer & Smyth to the Rangers for a prospect and a 2nd rd pick if we send them at half price . I have always wondered why nobody uses this time to basically add opportunity to the top teams that have injuries etc .

    There’s a limit to the number of players each team can retain salary on. I think it’s two. So we’re already retaining salary on Dubnyk; that leaves us with 1 more player if my recollection is correct. Options are a bit more limited than they seem.

  116. Ryan says:

    anonymous:
    A big fail for the Oilers rebuild is only 1 extra first round pick acquired during 5 years in the basement. Buffalo on the other hand in half the time will likely have 6 or 7 counting last year.Maybe more.

    Well, Buffalo has / (had) tradable assets/contracts — Miller / Ehroff, Vanek, Pominville.

    The Sabres had retooled and swung for the fences a few years ago (around the time they picked up Erhoff). It obviously didn’t work but left them with lots of desirable assets.

    The Oilers on the other hand were a cap team with few value assets (Hemsky a few contracts ago) and anyone that was useful was paid in full and then some (Souray, Horcof, Gilbert), which made them undesirable to other teams.

    The Oilers were not commendable in terms of their asset management either. When they had moderately desirable assets they turned them to shite.. Erik Cole turns into Patty O’Lanterns. Gilbert turned into Schultz. Visnovsky turned into Whitney.

    While the brains behind these trades might not know how to make a hockey trade, you can sit down and relax because he does know a thing or two about winning.

  117. AZOIL says:

    The Great One: What do you think they’ll do with Gagner?

    What he said?

  118. Ryan says:

    AZOIL: What he said?

    Gagner likely won’t be traded until the draft. His market value on that $4.8 m contract for two more years is obviously a problem. Hopefully a team that’s starving for a 2c will take a flyer on him, but I don’t think the return for us will leave us feeling warm and fuzzy.

  119. Ryan says:

    AZOIL:
    Spezza out of Ottawa would work well for our 1/2C no? What would Ottawa want for him? He must want out of there is they are testing the market, who knows if he wants to come here though?

    I don’t think many 30 year-old players are lining up to come here bro (with the current state of the rebuild).

  120. Lowetide says:

    The Great One:
    Sports Illustrated with some “realistic” trade proposals:

    “New Jersey sends Adam Larsson and a second rounder to Edmonton for Nail Yakupov: The noise out of New Jersey suggests the Devils will be buyers with an eye on making the playoffs, but that feels like an out-of-character mindset for a team that’s always taken the long view. That’s why a deal along these lines might make more sense.

    The Devils have depth on D, with Jon Merrill and Cam Severson in their system, but they really need a dynamic presence up front. Yakupov’s defensive commitment might need to be recalibrated in order to succeed in New Jersey, but there’s no denying his offensive potential. In return, the Oilers get a highly regarded prospect who projects as a skillsy, top-pair minute muncher.”

    http://nhl.si.com/2014/03/03/nhl-2014-trade-deadline-matchmaker/

    No.

  121. anonymous says:

    Ryan,

    I agree on all points. Which makes me nervous that a panic trade may be coming if things don’t turn around soon.

  122. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: No.

    Ha.

    Reading this I couldn’t quite determine if this was an answer with an authoritative tone, or a petulant one.

    I wouldn’t make that deal from an Oilers’ perspective either. From a Devils’ one, of course, but this isn’t 1996 and the Oilers aren’t selling young talent to the Big Markets like they once did.

    Now, this year’s 1st rounder for Larsson is probably something that is closer to being discussed, regardless of whether it would be a smart move.

  123. Marc says:

    Lowetide: No.

    I quite agree.

    Henrique and Larsson for Gagner and this year’s first round pick though? That I’d do.

  124. anonymous says:

    Marc: I quite agree.

    Henrique and Larsson for Gagner and this year’s first round pick though?That I’d do.

    Also agree, though Yakupov and Hopkins are my favorites. Probably would not want to trade those two short of something ridiculous coming back.

  125. sliderule says:

    Magnus: This would be typical of MacT. One step forward, 2 steps back…

    Am I the only person that finds it odd that there’s no talk of Chris Stewart? He seems to be exactly what the team has been saying they’re looking for. A young power forward, who while being inconstant, is physical, has skill and can play with skill.

    The next trade for Chris Stewart will be his third.This is despite putting up reasonable numbers at Colorado and St lo.
    Beware of players that are traded multiple times despite having reasonable seasons.There are nearly always hidden defects .

  126. delooper says:

    sliderule: The next trade for Chris Stewart will be his third.This is despite putting up reasonable numbers at Colorado and St lo.
    Beware of players that are traded multiple times despite having reasonable seasons.There are nearly always hidden defects .

    Like Wayne Gretzky? I guess his defect was he didn’t hit enough.

    Isn’t it against the rules to hit people when you’re carrying the puck?

  127. Woodguy says:

    The Great One: What do you think they’ll do with Gagner?

    Trade him for a winger.

  128. Marc says:

    sliderule: The next trade for Chris Stewart will be his third.This is despite putting up reasonable numbers at Colorado and St lo.
    Beware of players that are traded multiple times despite having reasonable seasons.There are nearly always hidden defects .

    Scott Cullen has done an advanced stats summary of all the main trade deadline names on tsn.ca. Chris Stewart’s entry:

    Chris Stewart, RW, St. Louis – The Blues’ leading scorer last season, Stewart is averaging under 15 minutes per game for the first time since his rookie season and that decreased ice time is justified. He’s getting destroyed in terms of puck possession while not facing tough competition and starting 60.1% of his shifts in offensive zone, failing despite many situational advantages in his favour.

    Stewart is a big-bodied forward who can score, which might attract some interest, but his underlying numbers — if anyone’s looking at them — don’t help the sales pitch.

  129. Woodguy says:

    Ryan: What will they trade to get a #1,#2, or #3 defenseman?

    2 Dmen via FA (one top 4, one bottom pair vet type)
    Petry
    Ference
    Marincin
    Klef
    Nurse is wild card

  130. Woodguy says:

    Ryan: Gagner likely won’t be traded until the draft.His market value on that $4.8 m contract for two more years is obviously a problem.Hopefully a team that’s starving for a 2c will take a flyer on him, but I don’t think the return for us will leave us feeling warm and fuzzy.

    I think Gagner is done as a C in the NHL after this season.

    He’ll be traded to a team that wants a RW with skill who can PP for a wing (probably LW) who is physical, gritty, etc. etc.

  131. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy: 2 Dmen via FA (one top 4, one bottom pair vet type)
    Petry
    Ference
    Marincin
    Klef
    Nurse is wild card

    All that is moo if someone good becomes available in the summer.

    MacT would unload a ton of assets for a top end D.

    He remember’s Pronger’s effect on the whole roster.

  132. anonymous says:

    Gagner for Bickell?

  133. Woodguy says:

    anonymous:
    Gagner for Bickell?

    I fear that one.

  134. misfit says:

    RexLibris: Ha.

    Now, this year’s 1st rounder for Larsson is probably something that is closer to being discussed, regardless of whether it would be a smart move.

    Marc: I quite agree.

    Henrique and Larsson for Gagner and this year’s first round pick though?That I’d do.

    Does adding Gagner and Henrique make the trade better or worse?

  135. anonymous says:

    Woodguy: I fear that one.

    Yeah, Chicago would make Gagner look like a star and rub it in that much more.

  136. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Lowetide,

    This may be an example of Oiler fans overrating their players. Yakupov arguably has struggled more as a high draft pick player making an impact than Larsson has. Young defensemen take time – lots of it – to get a solid toe hold. On an organization like NJD, he is sitting back of the bus in limited minutes territory and may have been rushed to the NHL. Yakupov has been gifted premium ice time on the top lines and has been hard to watch – really hard to watch. He is past the point of sophomore jinx now and needs to show he can have real impact – both ways (he hasn’t in offense or defense). I’m personally not sold on this man but it is still early to tell. Larson won’t be a offensive dynamo, but may be a serious minute muncher down the road.

    What I can’t agree with is that Yakupov is substantially more ‘valuable’ than an Adam Larsson at this juncture. He has not made a case. Further, Yak was a BPA pick. Not a pick of need at the time. A swap like this for Larsson – with whatever player mix you suggest – is why you draft BPA and then recalibrate through swaps to get balance. I wouldn’t be too dismissive of the trade components posted which I find the blog can be when it comes to Yak. I need stronger evidence for the argument of keeping him against all trades is valid.

    On another thought, I am getting more convinced Lander may be a 2C answer. He has WAY more offensive chops than I gave him credit for and has seemingly come out of the manhandling management gave him by throwing him in the fire as a kid. He seems to be a example of being patient and letting development marinate. He is an honest, smart, responsible player that I’m figuring can post some decent 2C offense with talent on the wings. I don’t know yet, but he’s building a solid case. Now watch MacT blast him out the door in a trade…….

  137. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: I fear that one.

    If that does come to pass, specifically with Chicago, I think it becomes more than Bickell – perhaps something in the future considerations from the Labarbera trade.

    Otherwise, yes, I could see Gagner for a Bickell-type player.

    At that rate, Dwight King might be a better acquisition.

  138. Marc says:

    Woodguy: All that is moo if someone good becomes available in the summer.

    MacT would unload a ton of assets for a top end D.

    He remember’s Pronger’s effect on the whole roster.

    If a top end D is available I’d be fine with that. I don’t know how likely it really is though.

    On the back of your Eberle for 1LD proposal I’ve been going through each team’s top 2 D in terms of TOI and looking at how they came to be on their team. It’s incredibly rare for a team to be able to trade for a top pairing D who is such at the time of the trade.

    I haven’t made it through all 30 teams yet, but so far the only example I can find is Phaneuf. There are also a couple of cases where a guy who was once high end but declined, then rebounded on a new team (Beauchemin, Campbell) or was traded as a young player and later emerged as a top pairing D (McDonagh, Coburn).

    For the most part teams seem to get top pairing D by drafting them, or less commonly, signing them as UFAs.

    The Oilers best bet in the offseason is probably to:
    a. trade for a youngish second pairing guy who’s fallen out of favour a bit with his team;
    b. give Markov the 3 three deal he’s looking for; and
    c. hope that one of Nurse, Klefbom or Marincin emerge as genuine top pair D in the next one or two seasons

  139. RexLibris says:

    misfit:
    Does adding Gagner and Henrique make the trade better or worse?

    Yakupov and Gagner for Larsson and Henrique is closer to equal. Allows the Oilers a re-do to take a C prospect or Ekblad and get an immediate defenseman and good young C both NHL-ready.

    That I would do.

    But then I doubt Lamoriello does, at least not now when he no longer has Vanderbeek telling him to make shortsighted moves.

  140. Gerta Rauss says:

    Gagner for Erat and Neuvirth.

    Use our compliance buyout on Erat

    *ducks*

  141. stevezie says:

    Woodguy,

    Anytime the crowd and the numbers wildly disagree I’m hesitant to get too into bed with either side*, but even if Byfuglien’s as bad as his critics say we would still be crazy not to take a run at him.

    If we’re getting nuts we can shoot for the moon and try to get Ladd in the same deal. Does taking Buff get us a cheaper Ladd? I don’t know how desperate they are to get rid of him, but it sure sounded like the marriage is over and it’s just a matter of finding an apartment close to work before Buff moves out. We could be that apartment.

    They’re still in the playoff hunt, I wonder if Bryz or Hemsky have any value there?

  142. Glock9 says:

    Woodguy,

    Anytime the crowd and the numbers wildly disagree I’m hesitant to get too into bed with either side*, but even if Byfuglien’s as bad as his critics say we would still be crazy not to take a run at him.

    Can’t see Bfugliens personality meshing with Eakins at all

  143. stevezie says:

    I never did explain the *- Anytime MY eyes confirm the numbers I have no problem writing off everyone else’s eyes- see Petry, Horcoff etc.

    Glock9: Can’t see Bfugliens personality meshing with Eakins at all

    Maybe they’d be good for each other. In any case, Eakins likes puck moving D and Buff can do that well.

  144. cc says:

    1. Lose this chaotic coach at seasons end, its evident he is not going to live up to the billing. And go and do whatever it takes to get Nolan from Buffalo.
    2. Everyone knows we need a #1 D-man: Trade Taylor Hall and maybe throw in a d-man of some value and get Weber or someone of the like. Tired of watching him give the puck away in the offensive zone. Did it like 6 times in the Calgary game. The guy has great speed and can hit the net half the time and he does get everyone excited with his two or three rushes per game, but his lack of sense and defensive liabilities hurt us more then help us.
    3. Say sorry to Andrew Ference and trade him for a better top four d-man. I’m tired of watching him crash and burn. He is just not the solution they thought he was.
    4. Package Sam Gagner with a pick, plus?? and get Vannek.
    5. DO NOT TRADE HEMSKY!!
    6. Get Mark Arcobello back in the line-up now.

  145. SaskFan says:

    If you don’t believe good goalies let in bad goals, go tune into sports centre presents top ten moments Rask who I believe to be one of the best tenders has let in a ridiculous amount of bad goals in the last 2 years.

    Note: these goals are pretty damn funny when they aren’t happening to you.

  146. Pouzar says:

    Byfuglien was a 3rd line forward on a Stanley Cup winner, he has 2 coaches in one year who think he’s better suited to being a forward…just sayin.

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