FLAMES AT OILERS, G62 13-14

When I was a kid, following the California Seals meant that by this point in the season you were heavily invested in important stats like 20-goal scorers. They had four of them in 1972-73 and that was very cool. My Boston Bruins? They had nine, same season.

This year’s Oilers will have four, according to tsn and their magic projection thingy.

  1. Taylor Hall 75GP, 28-50-78
  2. Jordan Eberle 81GP, 26-35-61
  3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 80GP, 20-38-58
  4. David Perron 78GP, 30-27-57

The four offensive stalwarts have played a high percentage of the season’s games, although Hall played a lot of games at less than 100%. I think Yakupov scores 20+ next season and doesn’t stop until 2030 or so. I also think Justin Schultz may join him a time or two.

YAK CITY INJURY

yakupov common3Nail Yakupov took a shot off the foot in Thursday’s game, but it sounds like he’s going to be okay. We don’t know if he’ll play tonight, but the young Russian was making progress before the Olympic break so one hopes he can get back to it soon.

  • Yak: “I feel good … much better than yesterday. It’s nothing serious.”

We don’t know if he’ll be in the lineup tonight, but it sounds like the young Russian will be back out there soon. For me, his passing has improved a lot this season, and he was damn good at it before. I think the game is slowing down for him now, look out NHL!

OKLAHOMA CITY ARRIVALS

Rockford vs. Barons 2-28-14

Tyler Pitlick had a goal (GW) and an assist last night, and is 30GP, 7-10-17 for the Barons this season. Since January 1, he is 15GP, 6-5-11. Pitlick looked good during his NHL debut earlier this season and has a terrific opportunity to grab Ryan Jones job should he be traded (or even if he isn’t).

Rockford vs. Barons 2-28-14

Roman Horak is 39GP, 15-15-30 since coming over in trade. Since January, he is 21GP, 10-9-19 and playing very well on LW. His skill set dovetails nicely for the Oilers’ needs (two-way forward) and he was drafted in 2009 (he’s not an ancient prospect).

lander11Anton Lander is on fair in Oklahoma. 38GP, 17-25-42 for the season, he’s 20GP, 8-19-27 since January 1st. Lander’s defensive skills have been his calling card, so if he can score some in Edmonton the Oilers might have a center who can play 4C and PK beginning now. Frankly, I’m surprised he isn’t there already, and that leads me to wonder if he may end up in another NHL city. Montreal and Chicago were scouting the Barons last night.

  Barons vs. Houston 10-16-11

Mark Arcobello has been an Oiler for most of the season, but since he was sent out he’s 7GP, 5-9-14. I think those Habs and ‘Hawks scouts may also have been observing this player. His handling this season—along with the acquisition and deployment of guys like Hendricks on wing and Smyth at center—suggest Dallas Eakins and Craig MacTavish are not as devoted to possession hockey as we had hoped during the summer and fall.

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Oscar Klefbom had a difficult transition to the AHL—we should have known missing an entire season would have a major impact—but he’s been doing good things in the last while. Jonathan Willis send back positive reviews, and his overall stats (43GP, 1-6-7 -10) are less impressive than his Jan 1+ numbers (16GP, 1-3-4 Even). I think the Oilers are probably wise to keep him in Oklahoma.

fedun3Taylor Fedun might be another guy teams like Montreal and Chicago have an interest in. Edmonton has Corey Potter and Phil Larsen for the role Fedun would fill, but it isn’t certain either are clearly superior. Fedun is 45GP, 7-19-26 for the season and 21GP, 4-8-12 since January 1.

TRADE DEADLINE VALUE TABLE

  • Ales Hemsky: First-round draft pick (or a second and a fourth).
  • Nick Schultz: A third round pick.
  • Ryan Smyth: A fourth round pick.
  • Corey Potter: A fourth round pick.
  • Anton Belov: A fourth round pick.
  • Ilya Bryzgalov: A fourth round pick.
  • Jesse Joensuu: A fourth round pick.
  • Taylor Fedun: A fourth round pick.
  • Mark Fraser: A fourth round pick.
  • Luke Gazdic: A fifth round pick.
  • Ryan Jones: A sixth round pick.
  • Denis Grebeshkov: A seventh round pick.
  • Ben Eager: A seventh round pick.

I suspect we’ll see a trade in the next 48 hours (maybe Nick Schultz) and the Hemsky deal on Wednesday. My guess for trade total: three. I believe the Oilers will receive four draft picks overall.

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 MACT’S ADDITIONS

In recent weeks, Alan Hull and I have been playing a game during his appearances: how many players do you keep for 2014-15? My answer is “11″ based on current roster, with a couple guys from the Barons likely to be part of the group next season.

  • Goal: Ben Scrivens
  • Defense: Jeff Petry, Justin Schultz, Martin Marincin, Andrew Ference
  • Center: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Boyd Gordon
  • Left Wing: Taylor Hall, David Perron
  • Right Wing: Jordan Eberle, Nail Yakupov

David Staples list is 8 deep (Hall, Nuge, Eberle, Yakupov, Schultz, Petry, Gordon, Marincin), the difference between his list and mine being the MacT impact. I would keep all of David Perron, Ben Scrivens, Andrew Ference and Boyd Gordon, David would keep only Gordon from the MacT revisions.

  • David Perron: He’s a streaky scorer, but for me Perron was a home run this past summer. Oilers may consider dealing him in his walk season, but I don’t see any good reason to deal him now.
  • Ben Scrivens: The only negative is that he is unsigned. I like Scrivens as a big part of the goalie solution 2014+ and consider the acquisition excellent value.
  • Andrew Ference: After starting the season 42GP, 2-5-7 -2, Ference is 16GP, 0-4-4 -11. Plus minus is a terrible measure, but we know by eye that Ference has been exposed badly. The problem (imo) is that he’s playing 22 minutes a night and against competition he’s not going to handle. While the results are poor, I don’t think flushing a veteran NHL player is wise after asking him to pull down an impossible job all season. If he lags behind the team when they turn north, then you make a move with Ference. His 358 minutes with Justin Schultz tell us he isn’t going to last long with the youngster, but that doesn’t mean he can’t play a role. He may become a valuable mentore for Klefbom, Nurse and Ekblad in the coming seasons.
  • Boyd Gordon: David and I agree on him, Gordon has been an absolute Godsend. I think you can make a case for him being a better pickup than Perron, and I’m absolutely thrilled with Perron.

This brings me to a question. How many of MacT’s moves (summer and in-season) do you consider quality additions? I count three (Perron, Gordon, Scrivens). How many do you see? And secondary: do you see the last 16 games as the real Ference, or do you see him as being a part of the team next season?

The concern for me in regard to Craig MacTavish as GM isn’t Ference, it’s the addition of players we would consider poor possession types. Matt Hendricks can play a role, but on the third line? Where does Mark Fraser fit? I’m far more concerned about those moves than Andrew Ference, who should be able to fill a role on this team next season.

And the major worry for me currently is the return on Hemsky.

What say you?

I’ll be on the air with Paul Almeida today noon to 1 (TSN 1260) for Saturday Sports Extra. We’ll tee up the Oiler-Flames game, as well as talk trade deadline possibilities.

(Barons photos by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved)

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  1. Woodguy says:

    Ference has been back from injury for 5 games.

    During those 5 games the opposition has scored 12 goals against the Oilers.

    Ference has been on the ice for 11 of the 12.

    No shit.

    If the Oilers want to win perhaps someone should hobble Ference?

  2. Lowetide says:

    He’s been poor but do you think this is the end of the line or coming back from injury too soon?

  3. Pouzar says:

    LT,

    you do read my comments! :)

    I took Under 3.5 trades as well

  4. Woodguy says:

    I would trade the Oiler’s 5v4 zone entry system for a bag of ketchup chips.

  5. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    He’s been poor but do you think this is the end of the line or coming back from injury too soon?

    Probably some from each column.

    Here’s his on ice partner for each goal:

    BOS
    5v5 goals – Petry (1), Marincin (1)
    4v5 goals – N.Shultz (2)

    BUF
    5v4 goal – Only actual Dman on the ice for the shorty
    4v5 goal – Petry

    NYR
    5v5 goal – Fraser

    NJD
    5v5 goal – Fraser

    MIN
    5v5 goals – Belov (3)

    Seems to bring the love to everyone.

  6. Nomad787 says:

    Hey LT,

    Im curious how you expect the Oilers to get better through trades if you dont expect them to move any of their players with actual value. For me the only people you don’t move are RNH, Hall, Yak, and J. Schultz. The Oilers have 4 legit top six wingers (plus Hemsky who has the least value of thegroup), and zero legit top two defensemen. The Oilers have to be willing to shop both or either of Eberle and Perron, if they want to substantially change the complexion of the team.

  7. LMHF#1 says:

    Ference is exactly who he’s been all season. A defensive defenseman who can’t defend. Especially in front of the net.

    The GA trend continues prior to the injury as well. He’d been on for 2 GA in that game before getting hurt and after he was out the team nearly came back and won.

    If Eakins is honest (and still around) he’ll have to acknowledge that Ference is going to be a highly overpaid bullpen catcher to the end of his contract. I suspect that he’ll just keep sending him out there. Fitness and all ya know.

  8. Mr DeBakey says:

    we should have known missing an entire season would have a major impact

    We did!

    This brings me to a question. How many of MacT’s moves (summer and in-season) do you consider quality additions? I count three (Perron, Gordon, Scrivens). How many do you see? And secondary: do you see the last 16 games as the real Ference, or do you see him as being a part of the team next season?

    I count three, too.
    I do see Ference as part of the team next season, though I’m not excited about it.
    Right now? We’ve all seen this movie before; a guy returns from a bell-ringing episode and it ain’t pretty.

  9. oliveoilers says:

    Chris Stewart and Steve Ott would have looked good lacing them up for the oil tonight……

  10. sliderule says:

    Woodguy,

    How is his Corsi?

  11. Manitoba Oilers says:

    IMO Ference=Amnesty Buyout

  12. LMHF#1 says:

    Terrified MacTavish will offer Ott 6 mil per in the off season.

  13. Ryan says:

    As a fellow Oiler fan, I often wonder how Lowetide remains pretty much the only sane one walking amongst us. Then I am reminded of this… :)

    ” My Boston Bruins? They had nine, same season…”

    I wish I could really adopt another team in part at least for these lean years.

  14. sliderule says:

    Ference is minus 13 and has only scored 10 pts at even strength .I don’t know how many goals he has been on for but it’s more than 23.
    Weber is minus 11 and has scored 19 pts at evens so he has been on for more than 30 goals against.
    Big Buff is minus 16 and has scored 24 pts at evens so he has been on for at least 40 goals.
    The point I am trying to make is bad team play gives bad statistics.

  15. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: Anton Lander is on fair in Oklahoma. 38GP, 17-25-42 for the season, he’s 20GP, 8-19-27 since January 1st.

    The first thing I thought of:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S04ArwiZwjE

    Stay away from fairs kids!

  16. SpotTheLoon says:

    Hey LT,

    I think that Ference is the player that we have seen. The issue is that he is being played in a first pairing situation where he is being asked to fill a role he isn’t capable of filling. As you have repeatedly mentioned, the lack of balance on this roster puts people in situations where they will fail.

    I also don’t want to see Hemsky go. I have always liked him and although his production hasn’t kept pace with historical averages, I would think that at least part of it is based on the role that he has been asked to fill this year. I hope like hell that they sign him in spite of all the evidence to the contrary that he is likely to be dealt.

    The more I think about it, the more I come back to MacT’s idea of bold moves. I think that is exactly what is needed. Some bold moves to address the roster inequities and find some degree of balance. If that means trading one of the kids, so be it. A 1D, 2C and another goaler besides Scrivens, assuming they sign him. I think that until such a time as those issues are addressed, we are playing a game of conjecture. Players need to play in appropriate roles before we can actually get a true evaluation of what this team is like.

  17. Ryan says:

    Lowetide:
    He’s been poor but do you think this is the end of the line or coming back from injury too soon?

    It’s hard to say, but he was no screaming hell before the injury either.

    Lordy do the Oilers love to stockpile marginal NHL defensemen.

    What other team in the NHL would start a season with one top four dman (Petry)?

    I guess Ference was sort of a number 4 on Boston last year, but that’s behind Sidenburg / Chara.

    MacT did a few nice things (Gordon, Perron), but it’s more about what he didn’t do that’s laid waste to this season.

    Didn’t find a top four dman with a pulse. We actually could have used three more.

    Didn’t add enough useful NHL players to round out the roster. Wasted roster spots (Hamilton, Acton, Jones,Joensu, Smac, Gadzic…)

    Stockpiles 6-9 dmen like a TLC horder (Fraser, Larsen, Belov, Potter, Grebs).

    Hired a rookie coach with no support (Buckie, Smith).

    Because Oilers.

  18. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    There’s a meta-blog here at LT’s where we are just talking about Grace Kelly and Hitchcock films. It is also a good blog.

  19. Hammers says:

    Ference isn’t going anywhere . Both McT & Eakins give him thumbs up . AS for the others, I like Staples would consider trading Perron BUT only if the return is a win ,say a 2nd line C otherwise keep him & draft Reinhart or Bennet . Your list doesn’t include Gazdic and at his cost vs performance I think his been a good pick up for nothing and we still need one of that type so I keep him . Not that I would but Hendricks stays as well . That’s 13 then add Horak , Lander & Pitlick for next year . We must get 2 new “D” ( Klef may slot as the 7th “D” ) and another goalie (doubt its Brz )So LT same old need a Goalie & 2″D” .

  20. gcw_rocks says:

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Ryan-Wilson/Lets-Talk-Ales-Hemsky–Soldier-Field-News–Notes–Ryan-Miller-Trade/177/58329

    Penguin’s blogger on trading for ales Hemsky. Makes a nice argument that Hemsky should be thief target and that the Oilers are idiots.

  21. Pajamah says:

    This is the first time seeing those OKC orange kits. Those are fantastic. If the Oilers get another Heritage Classic game, or decide to make a new 3rd jersey, I know what I want to see.

  22. Ducey says:

    Bryz has been “offered” to the Wild.

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/category/cult-of-hockey/

    Hopefully they accept.

  23. frjohnk says:

    I had a look to see what Buffalo has for draft picks over the next couple of drafts. It looks like Buffalo is loaded for bear.

    2014
    1st (BUF)
    1st (NYI) – Acquired in Vanek trade (Could be deferred to 2015)
    1st (BLUES) If Blues make Conference Finals or resign Miller, otherwise 3rd round pick in 2016
    2nd (BUF)
    2nd (MIN) – Acquired in Pominville trade
    2nd (LA) – Acquired in Regehr trade
    3rd (BUF)
    5th (BUF)
    6th (BUF) –
    7th (BUF)

    2015
    1st (BUF)
    1st (BLUES)
    2nd (BUF)
    2nd (LA) – Acquired in Regehr trade
    2nd (NYI) – Acquired in Vanek trade
    3rd (BUF)
    4th (BUF)
    5th (BUF)
    6th (BUF)
    7th (BUF)

    Other assets that will bring in more draft picks, Stewart, Moulson, Tallinder, Halak

  24. The Great One says:

    frjohnk:
    I had a look to see what Buffalo has for draft picks over the next couple of drafts.It looks like Buffalo is loaded for bear.

    2014
    1st (BUF)
    1st (NYI) – Acquired in Vanek trade (Could be deferred to 2015)
    1st (BLUES) If Blues make Conference Finals or resign Miller, otherwise 3rd round pick in 2016
    2nd (BUF)
    2nd (MIN) – Acquired in Pominville trade
    2nd (LA) – Acquired in Regehr trade
    3rd (BUF)
    5th (BUF)
    6th (BUF) –
    7th (BUF)

    2015
    1st (BUF)
    1st (BLUES)
    2nd (BUF)
    2nd (LA) – Acquired in Regehr trade
    2nd (NYI) – Acquired in Vanek trade
    3rd (BUF)
    4th (BUF)
    5th (BUF)
    6th (BUF)
    7th (BUF)

    Other assets that will bring in more draft picks, Stewart, Moulson, Tallinder

    They’re also reportedly shopping Christian Ehrhoff and may flip Halak for another pick.

  25. Clay says:

    First of all, those orange OKC jerseys are outstanding. I hope it’s a precursor to the Oilers bringing back the orange WHA jersey as a third jersey.

    Second, I’m firmly in the camp that thinks Ference is as much a problem for the team this year as having to learn Eakins’s system, and it has nothing really to do with his play.

    I firmly believe that Taylor Hall thought he’d be next in line for captain after Horcoff. And not only did he not get it, it was given to a complete outsider, solely because he has a cup ring and is old. The level of demotivation this can have on anyone, ESPECIALLY on a kid, just can’t be overestimated. Anyone who has played team sports gets it.

    Hell, anyone who has a job gets it. Imagine you worked for a company all through the economic downturn, you did everything asked of you and more, suffered through lean times, all while carrying the performance of the company. Then when a promotion comes available, your boss goes out and hires someone who is clearly not as good as you are at the job, but has grey hair and worked for a better company, and gives that person the promotion? It’s Human Resources mismanagement 101.

    Combine that with MORE new systems, a major injury, and defencemen and goaltending (for the first half of the year) that make the amount of goals you score almost moot, and anyone’s surprised he’s not playing well?

    Frankly, I’m a bigger Taylor Hall fan than Oiler fan at this point, and although I’d hate to see him traded at this point, part of me hopes he is so that I can have another team to cheer for.

    *end rant

  26. Woodguy says:

    sliderule:
    Woodguy,

    How is his Corsi?

    BOS
    30% CF – 5/6 among Dmen
    Paired mostly with Fraser
    5/6 5v5 TOI among Dmen – 3rd pairing

    BUF
    28.6% CF – 5/6 among Dmen
    Paired mostly with Fraser
    4/6 5v5 TOI among Dmen – 2/3rd pairing

    NYR
    42.5% CF 3/6 among Dmen
    Paired mostly with Fraser (although J.Shultz not far behind)
    4/6 5v5 TOI among Dmen – 2/3rd pairing

    NJD
    40.9% CF 3/6 among Dmen
    Paired mostly with Fraser
    5/6 5v5 TOI among Dmen 3rd pairing

    MIN
    40.9% CF 5/6 among Dmen
    Paired mostly with Belov
    6/6 5v5 TOI among DMen 3rd pairing

    Its aint good and its happening mostly on the 3rd pairing.

    No sir, I don’t like it.

  27. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk:
    I had a look to see what Buffalo has for draft picks over the next couple of drafts.It looks like Buffalo is loaded for bear.

    2014
    1st (BUF)
    1st (NYI) – Acquired in Vanek trade (Could be deferred to 2015)
    1st (BLUES) If Blues make Conference Finals or resign Miller, otherwise 3rd round pick in 2016
    2nd (BUF)
    2nd (MIN) – Acquired in Pominville trade
    2nd (LA) – Acquired in Regehr trade
    3rd (BUF)
    5th (BUF)
    6th (BUF) –
    7th (BUF)

    2015
    1st (BUF)
    1st (BLUES)
    2nd (BUF)
    2nd (LA) – Acquired in Regehr trade
    2nd (NYI) – Acquired in Vanek trade
    3rd (BUF)
    4th (BUF)
    5th (BUF)
    6th (BUF)
    7th (BUF)

    Other assets that will bring in more draft picks, Stewart, Moulson, Tallinder, Halak

    That’s a large garden of magic beans.

  28. frjohnk says:

    The Great One: They’re also reportedly shopping Christian Ehrhoff and may flip Halak for another pick.

    You would have to wonder how much they gut, I believe they would need to keep some veteran guys. A roster mostly of 18- 23 year olds will destroy the development process for the Sabres.

    I guess they could throw some big money out there for some UFA’s.

  29. Pouzar says:

    After Thurs night there is no way I am watching this team till after the deadline. Bring up the OKC guys who actually give a FF and let’s see what happens.

    Hall-Nuge-Yak
    Perron-Lander-Eberle
    Hendricks-Gordon-Pitick
    Horak-Arco-Gazdic (Have no idea here but I like Arco and Horak chemistry in AHL)

  30. book¡je says:

    Woodguy: That’s a large garden of magic beans.

    No, magic beans imply a tiny bit of hope.

  31. book¡je says:

    Pouzar,

    Given the effort, I am back to wondering about the coach’s grip on the team.

  32. 106 and 106 says:

    Ference has a No Movement Clause in his contract.

    What can management do to get rid of Ference if he shows no signs of improvement?

  33. Hockeyman 99 says:

    buy him out

  34. The Great One says:

    frjohnk: You would have to wonder how much they gut, I believe they would need to keep some veteran guys.A roster mostly of 18- 23 year olds will destroy the development process for the Sabres.

    I guess they could throw some big money out there for some UFA’s.

    Yeah, I think they” bring in some UFA’s on short term deals while the talents develops.

  35. Hockeyman 99 says:

    I wonder if Ference, N.Schultz and Klefbom gets you Dougie Hamilton out of Boston. If you say to AF that we have a deal to send you back to Boston I bet he would take it.

  36. book¡je says:

    I think the vast majority of Oilers would be thrilled to be traded or bought out. No pending UFA with the exception of Smyth would likely even consider returning. Perhaps Scrivens? I think the Oilers may have passed an unacceptable level of suckatude this year.

    I fear that they won’t win a game through the end of the season.

    I hope for a better outcome but…

  37. striatic says:

    All I want for trade deadline is Christian Ehrhoff.

    Unfortunately, I’d put money that Edmonton is on this list: http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24460472/christian-ehrhoff-submits-eight-team-no-trade-list-to-sabres

  38. Jordan says:

    What say you?

    Sorry LT – can’t take this phrase seriously any more. Neilson, Fraser & Kavis Reed have destoryed the phrase for me.

    There will be blood – the only questions are whose and what boons the gords give the Oilers for their sacrifices.

    I think we can stop suggesting that MacT can’t make bold moves because he’s new. That’s garbage. Buffalo just went bold, and their GM was on the job what? 3 months? The only thing standing in the way of MacT being bold is the what he’s willing to trade, and what price he sets.

  39. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy:
    I would trade the Oiler’s 5v4 zone entry system for a bag of ketchup chips.

    Hemsky nailed it in his last interview: “we can’t enter the zone! that’s the problem”

  40. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Clay: First of all, those orange OKC jerseys are outstanding. I hope it’s a precursor to the Oilers bringing back the orange WHA jersey as a third jersey.

    Yea… took a while for my eyes to adjust last night, but they did look great IMO.

  41. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    So, given Ference’s on ice performance this season and the ‘culture’ that exists today, is it time to hand the captaincy to a player of true relevancy and will be the player commander and chief for the next decade? Are we done ‘sheltering’ and ready to own it. My vote has evolved from Hall at start of the year to RNH now. The guy brings it all.

    Also, do we have a scenario developing of sacking our current coach 20 games into next season? Man that scares me as a possibility. And if you feel it’s even a little plausible (I do), do you sit on your hands and watch it potentially unfold?

  42. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I’m just going to echo what some others have mentioned.

    Ference and Eakins are like blood brothers. And, MacT is sternly behind both. MacT may fire both at some point… but we’ll be in such a world of shit at that point that “prepare 3 envelops” will be our savoir.

  43. bill needle says:

    Only in the Oilers universe would it make sense to give Ference a compliance buyout, considering the whole compliance buyout scheme was agreed to so teams could get rid of poor contracts from the previous CBA.
    That being said, he has been dreadful, and the season was pretty much lost when they named him the captain.

  44. Fawzan Al-Naft says:

    How much does MacT make per season? I don’t know offhand, but it’s probably a lot. NHL General Managers probably average well over a million dollars per season. What is paid for, really, is expertise: the theory is that MacT (or any GM) is so good at making hockey decisions that he’ll justify that salary in future revenues for the team. Right?

    But everyone on this blog is making second guesses and disagreeing with MacT’s decisions, and while some of those disagreements are obviously way off, most of them are not. It doesn’t really seem like there’s a huge expertise gap between MacT and a reasonably smart, well-informed armchair fan. That’s not a knock on MacT or any other GM, I’m just questioning whether building a coherent hockey team is actually that difficult–relative to, say, being an effective medical doctor or programming computers or whatever career makes a lot of money these days. I don’t think it’s that hard, intellectually, to try and build a good team, and I don’t think there’s a huge gap between the best hockey team builders, and merely average ones.

    I think the issue is maybe that hockey guys tend to hire other hockey guys. I remember, I think it was Lowe, with that quote about how he’s won a bunch of Stanley Cups, so he knows how to win. I don’t remember exactly what he said. But Lowe’s cups came as a player. He had the skillset of being 6’2, a little nasty on the ice, and standing in the vicinity of Wayne Gretzky and Mark Messier for a few years. Sure, he was a pretty good hockey player. But I strongly disagree that the ability to win games as a player has anything at all to do with the skillset required to make good personnel decisions. Does anyone really think being a pretty good cop means you’ll also be a good lawyer or judge? How would we feel about Green Berets making national-level economic and diplomatic decisions?

    One last question. What would happen if, instead of spending a couple million dollars on a former hockey player, an NHL team decided to fill the GM position by taking half a dozen fresh graduates from Harvard and Stanford, statisticians and business majors, and say “You have five years to figure out the intellectual problem of how to win hockey.” Do you think those guys could figure out how to do a better job than Glen Sather, Dave Nonis, Paul Holmgren?

  45. theres oil in virginia says:

    Woodguy: Paired mostly with Fraser

    That phrase features prominently in your post. I can’t get around the fact that playing with Fraser, and to a lesser extent Belov, might have something to do with the enormity of the suckitude. I like the idea of trying to get a big, physical defenseman, but Fraser is not an NHL level player. He might struggle for ice time in OKC.

  46. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I believe this to not be true. I point to Sutter’s arrival in LA as case in point of a change of system and its time to cure as a new roadmap. Lombardi could easily have rationalized his way to not making a change at that critical time because of the disruption risk. He did the bold and right thing.

    If Ference isn’t the leader of men in that room, the stitched on C doesn’t change that.

    If the Ference/Eakins thing isn’t right, don’t spend 5 minutes accepting it. It’s a question of whether management thinks its right or not. The last game was an indictment on them – once again.

  47. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Woodguy:
    Ference has been back from injury for 5 games.

    During those 5 games the opposition has scored 12 goals against the Oilers.

    Ference has been on the ice for 11 of the 12.

    No shit.

    If the Oilers want to win perhaps someone should hobble Ference?

    Brian Sutherby managed to pin every one of those on Belov during an argument with someone in one of the ON threads.

  48. jp says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    I wonder if Ference, N.Schultz and Klefbom gets you Dougie Hamilton out of Boston. If you say to AF that we have a deal to send you back to Boston I bet he would take it.

    Aside from the NTC, Boston chose not to re-sign him last summer. Hard to see them trading Hamilton to get him back.

  49. Ryan says:

    striatic:
    All I want for trade deadline is Christian Ehrhoff.

    Unfortunately, I’d put money that Edmonton is on this list: http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24460472/christian-ehrhoff-submits-eight-team-no-trade-list-to-sabres

    One of the interesting things about Ehrhoff is the gap between what the boys here think of him vs. the average fans who watch him play.

    Average fans who’ve watched him regularly over the years see a guy who’s a puck-moving, PP specialist who’s not great defensively or physically vs. the consensus here seems to be that he’s a solid #2 dman.

    The sledehammer IMHO is less useful in evaluating players who play on teams that completely suck vs. players on good teams.

  50. Woodguy says:

    theres oil in virginia: That phrase features prominently in your post.I can’t get around the fact that playing with Fraser, and to a lesser extent Belov, might have something to do with the enormity of the suckitude.I like the idea of trying to get a big, physical defenseman, but Fraser is not an NHL level player.He might struggle for ice time in OKC.

    That is very plausible.

  51. Woodguy says:

    Marcus Oilerius: Brian Sutherby managed to pin every one of those on Belov during an argument with someone in one of the ON threads.

    Belov only played in the last game.

    Wonder how he pinned the other 8 on him when he was scratched?

  52. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Well Oiled and Enthusiastic:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I believe this to not be true. I point to Sutter’s arrival in LA as case in point of a change of system and its time to cure as a new roadmap. Lombardi could easily have rationalized his way to not making a change at that critical time because of the disruption risk. He did the bold and right thing.

    If Ference isn’t the leader of men in that room, the stitched on C doesn’t change that.

    If the Ference/Eakins thing isn’t right, don’t spend 5 minutes accepting it. It’s a question of whether management thinks its right or not. The last game was an indictment on them – once again.

    You’re up against repeated public statements by Eakins that Ference is his point man with the players and from MacT that both the coach and captain are his guys, holding people accountable and spreading the right message etc.

    Basically, you are saying this is all a public mirage. Which could be true. There’s a joke about a public show of confidence right before a firing… still.

  53. Ryan says:

    I wonder for those here who’re resourceful.. I’d love to see a list of every top pairing in the league. :)

  54. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Marcus Oilerius: Brian Sutherby managed to pin every one of those on Belov during an argument with someone in one of the ON threads.

    Belov is the punching bag du jour.

    If he spoke better English, was 4 inches shorter and hit/growled more, his perception would dramatically improve.

  55. Ryan says:

    St Louis – Bouwmeester – Pietrangelo
    Boston – Chara – Siederburg
    LA – Muzzin – Doughty
    Calgary – Brodin – Giordano
    Edmonton – Marincin – Petry

  56. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ryan: One of the interesting things about Ehrhoff is the gap between what the boys here think of him vs. the average fans who watch him play.

    Average fans who’ve watched him regularly over the years see a guy who’s a puck-moving, PP specialist who’s not great defensively or physically vs.the consensus here seems to be that he’s a solid #2 dman.

    The sledehammer IMHO is less useful in evaluating players who play on teams that completely suck vs. players on good teams.

    Staples is an interesting case of a guy who is into stats (albeit his own, highly idiosyncratic version) but is all-in on what D-men are supposed to look like. More Ference than Ehrhoff.

  57. Racki says:

    Yesterday’s Buffalo and St. Louis deal has been rescinded by Bettman.

    It’s because according to a poster here, Buffalo and St. Louis did not understand that you trade players for picks during this time of year. You do not make trades that involve players for players. ;)

  58. Woodguy says:

    Pat and Tyler were musing on twitter about all the Actual NHLers that the Oilers sent away:

    Gilbert, Lubo, Souray, Cogliano, Brodziak, Cole, Penner, Horcoff (soon, Larsen ain’t sticking), Hemsky, original Smyth deal.

    The return?

    Klefbom, Roy and a couple of picks.

    All the players sent away still play in the NHL.

    Most of them prominent positions.

  59. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Marcus Oilerius: Brian Sutherby managed to pin every one of those on Belov during an argument with someone in one of the ON threads.

    I went through the Belov thing the other day.

    BS IMO.

    But the other thing Sutherby does is pick on Hemsky on the second goal — I went through this with Godot yesterday.

    I’m completely at a loss as to why anyone would want a fifth Oiler to cram into the strong side face-off area around the puck carrier. Surely someone should stretch the opposition team out; challenge the points and protect the weak side… right?

    I mean basically Sutherby is calling for a 5 man swarm. crazy.

  60. Woodguy says:

    Ryan: One of the interesting things about Ehrhoff is the gap between what the boys here think of him vs. the average fans who watch him play.

    Average fans who’ve watched him regularly over the years see a guy who’s a puck-moving, PP specialist who’s not great defensively or physically vs.the consensus here seems to be that he’s a solid #2 dman.

    The sledehammer IMHO is less useful in evaluating players who play on teams that completely suck vs. players on good teams.

    Oiler fans hated Gilbert.

    Hated him.

    Tyler tweeted this today:

    mc79hockey ‏@mc79hockey 1h
    Forgot to mention Gilbert. Then I was watching some video of Oiler shots in certain circumstances, came across this: http://vimeo.com/87926335

    mc79hockey ‏@mc79hockey 1h
    It’s nuts – the three shots the Oilers get are all driven by the play Gilbert makes in his own end. How many of today’s Oilers do tha?

    mc79hockey ‏@mc79hockey 1h
    “He’s soft and turns the puck over too much.” #OFDTO

    What Oiler fans think of any Dmen should be immediately discarded.

    Oiler Fans Deserve The Oilers

    OFDTO

  61. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Hemsky nailed it in his last interview: “we can’t enter the zone! that’s the problem”

    Hesmky also nailed it when he said “or get it deep and maybe wind a puck battle”

    Gagner and Eberle don’t win puck battles.

    That’s what makes them expendable.

  62. Racki says:

    Woodguy,

    I was a fan of Gilbert for most of his tenure here (although there was a time where even I got tired of him). I thought in his final year he started to become more the D I wanted to see too. But, does one quick video of one play really end the argument? Nope.

  63. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: Oiler fans hated Gilbert.

    Hated him.

    Tyler tweeted this today:

    mc79hockey ‏@mc79hockey1h
    Forgot to mention Gilbert. Then I was watching some video of Oiler shots in certain circumstances, came across this: http://vimeo.com/87926335


    mc79hockey ‏@mc79hockey1h
    It’s nuts – the three shots the Oilers get are all driven by the play Gilbert makes in his own end. How many of today’s Oilers do tha?

    mc79hockey ‏@mc79hockey1h
    “He’s soft and turns the puck over too much.” #OFDTO

    What Oiler fans think of any Dmen should be immediately discarded.

    Oiler Fans Deserve The Oilers

    OFDTO

    Petry’s next.

    Wait until Marincin has a few bad games so the varnish is off long enough for the yokels to notice he doesn’t really hit and oh yea he’s kind of skinny…

  64. theres oil in virginia says:

    Woodguy: Oiler fans hated Gilbert.

    I first noticed him when they traded Salo and actually got something in return! Watched him climb the ladder ever since. I hated that Schultz trade, even though my buddy was saying the Minnesota fans hated seeing Schultz leave. I tried to give it a chance, but there’s no doubt in my mind that it was a loser trade.

    Minor note about Souray: he’s out for the season and I thought there was talk of retirement?

  65. Racki says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Petry’s next.
    Wait until Marincin has a few bad games so the varnish is off long enough for the yokels to notice he doesn’t really hit and oh yea he’s kind of skinny…

    I’m not sure why Oil fans need their goats. I think Petry is already under fire from a lot of people.

  66. Woodguy says:

    Eakins talks about how his Dmen deployment is determined by the fact that the trade deadline is coming up:

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=563761&catid=4

    That part of the conversation starts at 3:51 or so

    I can’t wait to see who he rolls out after the deadline to get a feel for what he is seeing.

    A constant diet of N.Shultz with J.Shultz is giving me acid reflux.

  67. Racki says:

    In other news, LeBrun figures the Sabres will be listening to offers on Chris Stewart, as there are definitely some teams interested. I’m hoping the Oilers are one of those teams.

  68. Ryan says:

    Woodguy,

    I always liked Gilbert. Having Gilbert on the Oilers was never the problem…. Having Gilbert being the best defenseman on the Oilers… That was the problem!

  69. Ryan says:

    Racki: I’m not sure why Oil fans need their goats. I think Petry is already under fire from a lot of people.

    Petry is a little unfortunate in that he’s Gilbert 2.0.

    I always liked Petry. Having Petry on the Oilers was never the problem…. Having Petry being the best defenseman on the Oilers… That is the problem!

  70. oliveoilers says:

    Woodguy:
    Eakins talks about how his Dmen deployment is determined by the fact that the trade deadline is coming up:

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=563761&catid=4

    That part of the conversation starts at 3:51 or so

    I can’t wait to see who he rolls out after the deadline to get a feel for what he is seeing.

    A constant diet of N.Shultz with J.Shultz is giving me acid reflux.

    Strange, they seem to be very appetising to the opposing line, you can virtually see them salivate when that particular D pairing is on the ice!

  71. oliveoilers says:

    Racki: I’m not sure why Oil fans need their goats. I think Petry is already under fire from a lot of people.

    I’ve said it quite a few times before. I don’t think Petry’s a goat so much as he’s simply the most infuriating player to watch. Moments of awesome, some good solid play then an absolute shit-the-bed mistake a junior player knows not to make. On the same shift. I would totally trade the ‘awesome’ for solid D if he promised to try not to make such dumb decisions sometimes.

  72. 106 and 106 says:

    Hockeyman 99,

    Can’t buy out Ference – that was only for pre-current CBA deals.

  73. Hockeyman 99 says:

    jp,

    Part of that might have been the cap rollback and we could eat say 1million of his salary. Might make him more attractive to them and he may perform better for them being hidden behind Chara.

  74. Hockeyman 99 says:

    106 and 106,

    Not sure if thats true, but if it is he can still be bought out as he was not 35 when he signed. I assume you mean they can’t use a compliance buyout.

  75. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Racki: I’m not sure why Oil fans need their goats. I think Petry is already under fire from a lot of people.

    Exactly, after Gilbert, Petry’s next. After him: Marincin.

  76. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Sorry, I was more fixated on your latter statement that would be in trouble if MacT made change.

  77. oliveoilers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Exactly, after Gilbert, Petry’s next. After him: Marincin.

    Careful Rom, this is awfully close to Jasmine talk……

  78. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    oliveoilers: Strange, they seem to be very appetising to the opposing line, you can virtually see them salivate when that particular D pairing is on the ice!

    I realize none of them seem particularly helpful, but remember that BOS last year basically lost all their D-men in the POs.

    A PO bound team needs injury insurance and someone like Nick Schultz is going to say “vet experience” to them.

  79. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy: Oiler fans hated Gilbert.

    Hated him.

    Oiler Fans Deserve The Oilers

    OFDTO

    I will counter this on philosophical grounds that we’re missing a modifier like “some”, as in “some Oiler fans hated Gilbert”. Already in the comments that followed, we have heard from several Oilers fans who liked Gilbert, and you can add my name to that list. Thus statements like “OFDTO” are a little harsh for those many of us who deserve a little better after all these years of losing. I for one don’t think it’s the fans’ fault that our team sucks.

    Oilers fans are many things, but monolithic is not one of those things.

    /soapbox

  80. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Well Oiled and Enthusiastic:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Sorry, I was more fixated on your latter statement that would be in trouble if MacT made change.

    Oh ok.

    I just meant that if MacT is pulling the plug on the two guys he’s spent all year supporting as his point men, it probably means the team’s fortunes are even darker than they are now.

    I’m assuming such a move would happen mid-season and afterward next year BTW.

    But I see your point now.

  81. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Exactly, after Gilbert, Petry’s next. After him: Marincin.

    Poti. Brewer. Gilbert. Petry.

    There is a common thread running through the skill set and type of game each one of them played/plays. On the surface, each one would appear to be the kind of player that Dallas Eakins praised earlier in the year.

    Then why Mark Fraser?

    Gilbert for Schultz was Tambellini, and Fraser for spare parts and a flat tire was MacTavish. So we can’t necessarily combine the two into the same argument, but if there isn’t a move this summer to push the dial away from Fraser/N.Schultz and back towards Gilbert/Petry then I’m going to develop some grave misgivings about the trend of MacTavish’s management.

    Sorry, I’m kind of thinking out loud there, trying to buoy my hopes of positive moves this off-season against an incoming tide of pessimism.

  82. oliveoilers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I realize none of them seem particularly helpful, but remember that BOS last year basically lost all their D-men in the POs.

    A PO bound team needs injury insurance and someone like Nick Schultz is going to say “vet experience” to them.

    Unless they’ve seen him play this season. BOS don’t strike me as a ‘seen him good’ team. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that they do due diligence.

  83. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    oliveoilers: Careful Rom, this is awfully close to Jasmine talk……

    Hahaha. forgot about “her”

    It’s so true in this case though. Petry sat this year for crying out loud.

    I don’t mind that actually. The whole “re-set” thing. fine.

    But J. Schultz and Ference have been much more culpable than Petry this year. I don’t get it.

    And, you have to know that the Oilers fans are going to see Marincin as soft sooner or later.

  84. RexLibris says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Add me to the Gilbert fan group. Loved that contract he signed because while it seemed he was overpaid in the first year or two, I was pretty sure he’d be a fair deal by the end of it.

    Wished he had been re-signed this summer and even argued with Flames fans that Feaster would have been wise to add him when the Oilers didn’t.

    Satisfyingly enough, many of those fans countered my arguments with “he’s too soft on the puck and can’t play strong defense”. So myopic views on hockey players aren’t limited to YEG.

  85. theres oil in virginia says:

    RexLibris,

    I look at the Fraser grab as taking a shot on a guy that costs nothing to see if he can find his game. If he does, then it’s great and if not then nothing lost. I think the answer is “not” and they should move on at the end of the season. If Fraser takes too many games away from others who deserve the shot, then I worry. If Fraser gets re-signed in Edmonton, then I worry. Otherwise, no problem.

  86. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Hahaha. forgot about “her”

    It’s so true in this case though. Petry sat this year for crying out loud.

    I don’t mind that actually. The whole “re-set” thing. fine.

    But J. Schultz and Ference have been much more culpable than Petry this year. I don’t get it.

    And, you have to know that the Oilers fans are going to see Marincin as soft sooner or later.

    He can just do one of these every 40-odd games to keep them onside.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tExHTyDi3Wc

  87. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    oliveoilers: Unless they’ve seen him play this season.BOS don’t strike me as a ‘seen him good’ team.I would bet dollars to doughnuts that they do due diligence.

    the word out of BOS about a month ago was they were scouting N. Schultz and interested in him. LT posted the article.

    They may still target him. Rep counts for a lot and Nick is a well respected guy.

    It’s also probably true that a reverse Ference takes place: put Nick on a good team where he’s likely in the 7/8 spot and plays 30-60% of the PO games on 3rd pairing and he probably looks a lot better.

  88. G Money says:

    106 and 106:
    Ference has a No Movement Clause in his contract.

    What can management do to get rid of Ference if he shows no signs of improvement?

    I wonder if Ference has interpreted his No Movement Clause to mean on the ice? Could someone please clear that up for him?

    Ryan:
    I wonder for those here who’re resourceful..I’d love to see a list of every top pairing in the league.

    Here’s my version. I did not use any formal definition of 1D/2D, I simply pulled TOI/60 with the assumption that your top two minute munchers are by definition your 1D/2D. Then I filtered it to two per team. (I suspect my nice clean formatting is about to be badly botched).

    Player Pos. Team(s) GP G A P TOI/60
    42 Erik Johnson D Avalanche 58 7 17 24 22.5
    46 Jan Hejda D Avalanche 56 6 8 14 22.2
    20 Duncan Keith D Blackhawks 60 3 45 48 24
    53 Brent Seabrook D Blackhawks 61 6 29 35 21.5
    26 Jack Johnson D Blue Jackets 59 4 18 22 23.7
    49 James Wisniewski D Blue Jackets 52 5 30 35 21.8
    10 Alex Pietrangelo D Blues 59 6 35 41 24.9
    23 Jay Bouwmeester D Blues 59 4 28 32 23.8
    12 Zdeno Chara D Bruins 55 14 13 27 24.7
    52 Dennis Seidenberg D Bruins 34 1 9 10 21.7
    11 Andrei Markov D Canadiens 61 5 28 33 24.8
    13 P.K. Subban D Canadiens 61 8 31 39 24.6
    21 Dan Hamhuis D Canucks 60 4 11 15 24
    38 Alexander Edler D Canucks 43 5 10 15 23
    16 John Carlson D Capitals 60 10 15 25 24.2
    45 Mike Green D Capitals 52 7 23 30 22.3
    7 Oliver Ekman-Larsson D Coyotes 58 9 23 32 25.3
    31 Keith Yandle D Coyotes 60 7 32 39 23.6
    17 Andy Greene D Devils 60 7 18 25 24.2
    59 Marek Zidlicky D Devils 59 8 21 29 21.2
    30 Cam Fowler D Ducks 61 6 26 32 23.6
    40 Francois Beauchemin D Ducks 51 1 10 11 22.6
    9 Mark Giordano D Flames 41 9 19 28 25
    32 TJ Brodie D Flames 59 4 16 20 23.6
    44 Braydon Coburn D Flyers 60 4 7 11 22.3
    81 Kimmo Timonen D Flyers 57 2 17 19 20.4
    34 Justin Faulk D Hurricanes 59 3 20 23 23.5
    35 Andrej Sekera D Hurricanes 57 9 25 34 23.2
    8 Andrew MacDonald D Islanders 61 4 20 24 25.1
    14 Travis Hamonic D Islanders 49 1 9 10 24.4
    24 Dustin Byfuglien D Jets 61 14 30 44 23.7
    29 Tobias Enstrom D Jets 61 6 14 20 23.6
    6 Drew Doughty D Kings 61 8 23 31 25.5
    55 Slava Voynov D Kings 61 3 20 23 21.4
    47 Victor Hedman D Lightning 52 11 26 37 21.9
    50 Matthew Carle D Lightning 59 2 23 25 21.7
    25 Dion Phaneuf D Maple Leafs 59 6 17 23 23.7
    70 Cody Franson D Maple Leafs 59 4 23 27 20.8
    36 Justin Schultz D Oilers 53 8 16 24 23.1
    57 Jeff Petry D Oilers 59 4 9 13 21.3
    2 Brian Campbell D Panthers 59 5 21 26 27.1
    73 Tom Gilbert D Panthers 59 3 22 25 20.7
    19 Paul Martin D Penguins 33 2 10 12 24.2
    22 Kris Letang D Penguins 34 10 8 18 24
    4 Shea Weber D Predators 57 15 25 40 26.4
    5 Roman Josi D Predators 50 9 17 26 25.9
    15 Ryan McDonagh D Rangers 60 8 22 30 24.3
    43 Dan Girardi D Rangers 60 4 13 17 22.4
    27 Niklas Kronwall D Red Wings 58 6 33 39 23.7
    67 Jonathan Ericsson D Red Wings 40 1 8 9 20.9
    33 Christian Ehrhoff D Sabres 58 6 23 29 23.6
    54 Tyler Myers D Sabres 55 8 12 20 21.5
    3 Erik Karlsson D Senators 60 15 40 55 26.9
    66 Marc Methot D Senators 53 5 13 18 20.9
    64 Dan Boyle D Sharks 54 8 17 25 20.9
    68 Justin Braun D Sharks 61 3 11 14 20.8
    28 Alex Goligoski D Stars 58 2 23 25 23.7
    60 Brenden Dillon D Stars 59 6 8 14 21.1
    1 Ryan Suter D Wild 61 6 27 33 29.3
    18 Jonas Brodin D Wild 58 8 8 16 24.2

  89. oliveoilers says:

    Woodguy: Oiler fans hated Gilbert.

    Hated him.

    Tyler tweeted this today:

    mc79hockey ‏@mc79hockey1h
    Forgot to mention Gilbert. Then I was watching some video of Oiler shots in certain circumstances, came across this: http://vimeo.com/87926335


    mc79hockey ‏@mc79hockey1h
    It’s nuts – the three shots the Oilers get are all driven by the play Gilbert makes in his own end. How many of today’s Oilers do tha?

    mc79hockey ‏@mc79hockey1h
    “He’s soft and turns the puck over too much.” #OFDTO

    What Oiler fans think of any Dmen should be immediately discarded.

    Oiler Fans Deserve The Oilers

    OFDTO

    Oh hark! The world according to Tyler! So, do pedestrians deserve to be run over for walking on a side walk next to a road? Or just the ones who jump out in front of cars? Did Tyler also research the other side and the NICE things fans said about Gilbert? I liked him. Did TD get knocked back for a job with the Oilers lately? Some of his recent articles have been, shall we say, a little to the right of objective.

  90. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    RexLibris: He can just do one of these every 40-odd games to keep them onside.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tExHTyDi3Wc

    Remember all those Belov youtube clips we were passing around in the Summer?

    Hockey internet remembers oddities. It doesn’t track the daily workload.

    Belov is being ripped as heartless, doesn’t care, etc. on OilersNation and everywhere else. And Hendricks is being bronzed.

    Neither are great hockey players, but I’d take Belov over Hendricks in a heartbeat.

  91. edoil1 says:

    Fawzan Al-Naft,

    Good points,as comedian Mitch Hedberg once said when asked about trying acting,”So you say i’m a good cook, so that must make me a good farmer”.Same applies in this case to Lowe,many other examples of this in the NHL with Mike Milbury probably the worst performer.Lowes not to far behind.

  92. G Money says:

    Man that Suter is a horse. 29.3 mins a night. Next closest are Campbell, Karlsson, and Weber, who are basically at 27, 27, and 26.

    Two ex-Oilers on the list, both lost for basically nothing (free agent walkaway and whatever we get for Nultz).

  93. FPB94 says:

    I’m pretty sure Hemsky will fetch a 2nd round pick at best.

  94. oliveoilers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Hahaha. forgot about “her”

    It’s so true in this case though. Petry sat this year for crying out loud.

    I don’t mind that actually. The whole “re-set” thing. fine.

    But J. Schultz and Ference have been much more culpable than Petry this year. I don’t get it.

    And, you have to know that the Oilers fans are going to see Marincin as soft sooner or later.

    Agree on Ference, he should be the spearhead of the accountability campaign, lead by example and all that jazz. Maybe JSchultz still getting a free pass due to inexperience? Petry doesn’t deserve having it all hang on him any more than any other player/coach. With Marincin…….well it hasn’t happened yet, so innocent until proven guilty. He might turn into the crowd favourite or the goat of goats, but please don’t believe all fans are the same. That’s a narrative, and gets a ‘bad doggy’!

  95. gvblackhawk says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Belov is the punching bag du jour.

    If he spoke better English, was 4 inches shorter and hit/growled more, his perception would dramatically improve.

    Don’t forget the part where if he played hockey well in the NHL, his perception would dramatically improve.

    He’s not that good Rom.

    I know you like to refer to his Corsi percentages to validate your opinion of him, but that doesn’t give a complete picture if his ability. For example, last game he recorded approximately 50% Corsi events…but he made crucial errors on three of the goals against. Marincin was also about 50% Corsi, but made no mistakes that directly or indirectly led to goals against. Looking at Corsi alone, they appeared equally effective. However, Belov was awful and now he is a healthy scratch for tonight’s game.

    There is no bias against Belov, IMO. He just is not good enough. That said, I think Fraser, Potter, Nick Schultz, and Ference are all terrible, too.

  96. speeds says:

    I really liked the Gordon addition, thought they Oilers overpaid a bit for Perron (think I might have been mistaken there), and didn’t like the Ference signing. In fact, I think MacT should be exploring a potential trade for Ference, try to open up that roster spot and a bit of cap room if possible.

    I fall out of step with most on the Scrivens trade, but not strictly speaking due to that trade in isolation. I said at the time I don’t like that deal if they dont get him re-signed, hasn’t happened yet and IMO Edm should look to move him if unsigned by the deadline. I would much rather have kept Dubnyk, not acquired Hendricks or Scrivens if the alternative is losing Scrivens via UFA and having Hendricks for 3 more years

    And I do think Edm should trade Scrivens prior to the deadline if he’s unsigned by then. Why is he going to resign after the deadline but not before, what’s he going to learn just in the next few games that he hasn’t learned by now when it comes to the signing decision?

  97. Bruce McCurdy says:

    RexLibris: Satisfyingly enough, many of those fans countered my arguments with “he’s too soft on the puck and can’t play strong defense”. So myopic views on hockey players aren’t limited to YEG.

    Yeah, you can replace statements about “Oilers fans” with “hockey fans” or “sports fans” and you won’t be far off. As long as you always say “some” before you start, you’ll be alright. There are “some” fans in every fan base who hate-hate-hate big finesse guys like no other. If you’re 6’2 or taller and you aren’t trying to mash some dude through the boards at least once a period, then you’re soft. Heard the same thing from some corners of the Coliseum dating back to Ray McKay and Randy Gregg, and it’s no different in other cities.

  98. thejonrmcleod says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    I get tired of the “Oiler fans deserve the Oilers” complaint. In reality, the majority of fans of every NHL team are less than well-informed about their team and its players. Actually, it seems as though Oiler fans might be among the most informed, judging from the Oilogosphere.

  99. Woodguy says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I will counter this on philosophical grounds that we’re missing a modifier like “some”, as in “some Oiler fans hated Gilbert”. Already in the comments that followed, we have heard from several Oilers fans who liked Gilbert, and you can add my name to that list. Thus statements like “OFDTO” are a little harsh for those many of us who deserve a little better after all these years of losing. I for one don’t think it’s the fans’ fault that our team sucks.

    Oilers fans are many things, but monolithic is not one of those things.

    /soapbox

    I get that.

    Oiler fans who hate Gilbert, think Petry is soft and LOVED trading Penner for magic beans deserve this team.

    They are legion.

  100. theres oil in virginia says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I’d take Belov over Hendricks in a heartbeat.

    I’d take Hendricks in a heartbeat.

  101. Bruce McCurdy says:

    2 more things:

    1) “Soft Jeff” Petry leads the Oilers in hits with 142, and all current Oilers in hits per game with 2.4. Of course his “Mash Some Dude Through The Boards” quotient is not that good.

    2) Those orange unis kick total ass. LT, Connor & I were discussing the possibility of bringing back the WHA orange as a third jersey on Twitter earlier this week, but I had no idea they were in the works in OKC. They look fantastic. Next year for the Oil, please.

  102. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    OFDTO is a meme and a group identifier.

    I don’t think we need a serious critique of it.

    Mockery, hyperbolic even, is a perfectly acceptable way to make one’s point. Diogenes operated almost exclusively in this manner. Made a lot of good points on the way.

    But, this is still a rhetorical pose. It doesn’t hold us back from engaging in more nuanced arguments. These aren’t mutually exclusive things.

    Multiple sites of contest.

  103. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    gvblackhawk: Don’t forget the part where if he played hockey well in the NHL, his perception would dramatically improve.

    He’s not that good Rom.

    I know you like to refer to his Corsi percentages to validate your opinion of him, but that doesn’t give a complete picture if his ability.For example, last game he recorded approximately 50% Corsi events…but he made crucial errors on three of the goals against.Marincin was also about 50% Corsi, but made no mistakes that directly or indirectly led to goals against.Looking at Corsi alone, they appeared equally effective.However, Belov was awful and now he is a healthy scratch for tonight’s game.

    There is no bias against Belov, IMO.He just is not good enough.That said, I think Fraser, Potter, Nick Schultz, and Ference are all terrible, too.

    I went through all the goals.

    Belov made “mistakes” if you like… but he was far from alone and hardly the most culpable.

    He is, however, big, slowish and an easy target.

    I don’t think he’s amazing. I do think he’s significantly better than his perception warrants.

    Him being healthy scratched is meaningless.

  104. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    theres oil in virginia: I’d take Hendricks in a heartbeat.

    He’s all yours.

    A competent 5/6 D has value. Belov looks just shy of that now with potential.

    A gritty 4th liner on an expensive and long contract blocking a roster spot for a prospect has negative value IMO.

  105. Bruce McCurdy says:

    In Belov’s defence he landed 2 or 3 excellent hits vs. Minny including knocking Matt Cooke on his ass. But man, did he have a horrible game. There’s more to the game than hitting, even though you need some physicality somewhere in your line-up. It’s hard to find the balance — especially, it seems, for the Oilers.

  106. admiralmark says:

    Chris Stewart hmmmmmm… Sure would look good in Oiler silks. I wonder Eberle + Klefbom for Myers and Stewart? Not sure that would get it done but i gotta thank MacT is burning the phone on this player?

  107. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    33 minutes ago
    @TSNBobMcKenzie: RT @icemancometh: Ducks re-sign winger Tim Jackman for one year and $637,500.

    these are the kind of moves I don’t understand. Like Tambo re-upping Sutton and Potter in the middle of the season. What’s the rush? What if he suffers a long term injury?

    I don’t get this kind of thing… any thoughts?

  108. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    OFDTO is a meme and a group identifier.

    How about OFDTOPCEOC?

    Oil Fans Deserve The Oilers, Present Company Excluded Of Course. :)

  109. Lois Lowe says:

    THUNDEROUS BODYCHECKS!!
    EYE GLOW!
    POISE!

  110. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bruce McCurdy: How about OFDTOPCEOC?

    Oil Fans Deserve The Oilers, Present Company Excluded Of Course.

    There you go!

  111. oliveoilers says:

    Alright! We have our common negotiating ground: Orange uniforms are awesome! Now we can try a move on some points of contention.

    I believe the problem to be one of miscommunication. When some people, myself included, harp on about softness, what I think is actually meant is this: If you are 6’4″ 215ibs and losing puck battles to 5’10″ 180lbs that if skill won’t win, then simple physics must, then THAT is soft.

    There’s an old adage that a good big man will always beat a good small man. This isn’t always true, but usually the smaller man has to give much more effort to achieve the same physical results. It’s basic mechanics.

    That’s why intangibles such as ‘motivation’, ‘courage’, ‘heart’, that are dirty C-words to some on this site, are as an integral part of the game as doing well in the stat department. Penner’s problem was that he SEEMED to do just enough to keep his stats up, then mail in the rest. Perception can also kill you in this league.

  112. Rebilled says:

    Ducey,

    Bryz for Brodziak?* Any ideas for who or just picks?

    *no chance

  113. RexLibris says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    2 more things:

    1) “Soft Jeff” Petry leads the Oilers in hits with 142, and all current Oilers in hits per game with 2.4. Of course his “Mash Some Dude Through The Boards” quotient is not that good.

    2) Those orange unis kick total ass. LT, Connor & I were discussing the possibility of bringing back the WHA orange as a third jersey on Twitter earlier this week, but Ihad no idea they were in the works in OKC. They look fantastic. Next year for the Oil, please.

    I have found that the “soft Petry” comments can often be fairly useful. If I hear someone use it I can generally exclude their opinion on a number of other hockey matters with relative ease.

    It can be something of a time saver, equivalent to someone in conversation just coming out and saying they are a creationist – you can just turn and walk away safe in the knowledge you leave no intelligent discourse undiscovered.

    Inflicting those brilliant orange WHA jerseys on Flames fans would be fair reciprocity for the flaming-snot horse head.

  114. Woodguy says:

    TDog ‏@toddtfournier 11m
    @Woodguy55 go cheer for another team….we true oiler fans don’t want you cheering for our team….and trying to jump on band wagon in 2 yrs

    There we go.

    True fans tell me not to cheer for the Oilers.

    OFDTO

  115. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    OFDTO is a meme and a group identifier.

    I don’t think we need a serious critique of it.

    Mockery, hyperbolic even, is a perfectly acceptable way to make one’s point. Diogenes operated almost exclusively in this manner. Made a lot of good points on the way.

    But, this is still a rhetorical pose. It doesn’t hold us back from engaging in more nuanced arguments. These aren’t mutually exclusive things.

    Multiple sites of contest.

    Diogenes could do it with art, and wasn’t always received well in his time.

    The ability to do with skill, restraint and dignity isn’t often to be found now.

    Oscar Wilde was probably one of the last to do it well. Kind of a shame, really, as there are tools (twitter) out there waiting for their maestro.

  116. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy:
    TDog ‏@toddtfournier11m
    @Woodguy55 go cheer for another team….we true oiler fans don’t want you cheering for our team….and trying to jump on band wagon in 2 yrs

    There we go.

    True fans tell me not to cheer for the Oilers.

    OFDTO

    Wow, so what tier of fandom are you on now?

    Save me a seat wherever it is.

  117. SaskFan says:

    oliveoilers: I’ve said it quite a few times before.I don’t think Petry’s a goat so much as he’s simply the most infuriating player to watch.Moments of awesome, some good solid play then an absolute shit-the-bed mistake a junior player knows not to make.On the same shift.I would totally trade the ‘awesome’ for solid D if he promised to try not to make such dumb decisions sometimes.

    I love petry as a player, I agree he should not be our #1 but I think if we trade for say Edler and pair them up I think they will do fine. Also I take the awesome play with the shut play because if he ever figures out how to eliminate that shit play he will be amazing. Same reason if I would trade marincin before J Shultz

  118. TheOtherJohn says:

    Tom Gilbert was/is a useful D man. He is playing 1st pairing minutes in Florida and, when teamed with Smid here, was a real solid 2nd pairing being asked to play 1st pairing minutes. The Nic Schultz trade was bizarre at the time and then not contacting him this off season when you have a mind numbingly atrocious D is even more bizarre.

    He plays 20+ minutes a night & signed for $900k in Florida. He makes less money than the Oilers pay Belov. Larssen, Fraser & Grebeshkov. Joensuu, R Jones and Hendricks . Not sure those guys play 20TOI cumulatively.

    And we wonder why this team is so shitty.

    AQWQET or whatever acronym Bruce used

  119. Woodguy says:

    MLB adding systems to track player movement for analytics use.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/44721/mlb-breakthrough-unveiled-at-sloan

  120. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris: Wow, so what tier of fandom are you on now?

    Save me a seat wherever it is.

    I’m not even a fan anymore I guess.

    I can’t blindly cheer for incompetence so I’m excluded by them.

    OFDTO

  121. TheOtherJohn says:

    Woodguy:
    TDog ‏@toddtfournier11m
    @Woodguy55 go cheer for another team….we true oiler fans don’t want you cheering for our team….and trying to jump on band wagon in 2 yrs

    There we go.

    True fans tell me not to cheer for the Oilers.

    OFDTO

    I don’t intend to jump back on the bandwagon until the Oil make the playoffs. 2 years might be a tad optimistic

  122. rickithebear says:

    You do not consider hendricks a quality Acquisition.
    Remember championship teams have 9-10 top 200 even goal scorers.
    So 9-10 to 13-14 even goals.
    Hemsky 36 EVG -21
    Hendricks 30 EVG -16

  123. Woodguy says:

    Tyler has a post up looking at the line contributions of the Cup favorites.

    http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=6761

  124. prairieschooner says:

    Many years ago Dunganon an Irish rugby team was touring Canada. They played against the Manitoba Provincial team and in the post game refreshments the players were asked what they thought about the “hits” (tackles) by the Manitoba players and to a man they all acknowledged that they were very hard tackles, which made the hosts very pleased to have been able to impress their esteemed visitors.

    Final Score – Manitoba 3 Dunganon 60

  125. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    RexLibris: Diogenes could do it with art, and wasn’t always received well in his time.

    The ability to do with skill, restraint and dignity isn’t often to be found now.

    Oscar Wilde was probably one of the last to do it well. Kind of a shame, really, as there are tools (twitter) out there waiting for their maestro.

    The last thing Diogenes was thought of having by his contemporaries was “dignity” and “restraint.” He was certainly skillful, though.

  126. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: The last thing Diogenes was thought of having by his contemporaries was “dignity”

    Few philosophers did then. Sophists now…

    Time changes perspectives.

  127. prairieschooner says:

    I recognise that we must accept change if the Oilers are to get better and some of the players we value may not be a fit for the new Oilers.
    It would appear that there is interest in some players from OKC
    The performing players who are bubbling to the surface are the likely candidates.
    Is it fair to say that the players are being scouted because this close to the deadline approaches have already been made?
    I hope MacT is not going to be cashing in some of those players just to have more chips to play with on draft day

  128. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    RexLibris: Few philosophers did then. Sophists now…

    Time changes perspectives.

    Indeed, the Sophists weren’t thought of nearly as badly in their time as we’ve been led to believe post-Plato

    http://books.google.ca/books?id=pDOqZfQ5tqUC&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=sophists+grote&source=bl&ots=aDZBy7HbEd&sig=y7JN0qoiAFSSafBTYEi2wnpjUsQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZUUSU8maEIff2AXSrYDYAg&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=sophists%20grote&f=false

    Grote was the first to raise the flag seriously, but since him how we view how they were viewed has changed markedly.

    All that said, Diogenes was a man apart from society. radical to the core.

  129. SaskFan says:

    I think we have to remember that everybody makes mistakes, even LA they sent away Purcell, Moulson and B Boyle away for peanuts. MacT has brought in Perron, Gordon, scrivens and Ferenece are legitimate quality NHL players. The only quality players he sent away are Pajjarvi, horcoff, smid and dubynk. The first group is much better than the second, if management can have an offseason similar to last except for the Perron and Gordon type acquisitions being on defence, than I think we are in a decent spot. With impact prospects in Nurse and Bennet/Ekblad/Reinhart coming soon we will be in a very good spot.

  130. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    33 minutes ago
    @TSNBobMcKenzie: RT @icemancometh: Ducks re-sign winger Tim Jackman for one year and $637,500.

    these are the kind of moves I don’t understand. Like Tambo re-upping Sutton and Potter in the middle of the season. What’s the rush? What if he suffers a long term injury?

    I don’t get this kind of thing… any thoughts?

    Cost certainty for your 4th line. It’s on the list of things to do, and if you flush him the guy coming in will cost the same amount. You can say “well hell any team can do that anytime” but the Oilers dealt for Hendricks and he’s vastly more expensive.

    Anaheim has a $1M advantage in cap on Edmonton based on the signing.

  131. Woodguy says:

    oliveoilers: Oh hark!The world according to Tyler!So, do pedestrians deserve to be run over for walking on a side walk next to a road?Or just the ones who jump out in front of cars?Did Tyler also research the other side and the NICE things fans said about Gilbert?I liked him.Did TD get knocked back for a job with the Oilers lately?Some of his recent articles have been, shall we say, a little to the right of objective.

    I have no idea what any of your post meant.

    One more time in English?

  132. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Cost certainty for your 4th line. It’s on the list of things to do, and if you flush him the guy coming in will cost the same amount. You can say “well hell any team can do that anytime” but the Oilers dealt for Hendricks and he’s vastly more expensive.

    Anaheim has a $1M advantage in cap on Edmonton based on the signing.

    I am genuinely sad that Eakins and MacT have said the team is vastly improved from the beginning of the year.

    They outshot teams and lost due to goaltending at the beginning.

    They are getting clobbered in shots now (including by the powerhouse Sabers) and are only winning more than losing due to goaltending.

    My hope that MacT leads the Oilers to a better place have faded a bit.

    If he doesn’t add 2 NHL Dmen who can play top 4, a NHL 2C, Pisani and have good kids on the 4th instead of gritty idiots then hope will fade more.

    Edit: All big changes this summer obv. not deadline.

  133. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: Cost certainty for your 4th line. It’s on the list of things to do, and if you flush him the guy coming in will cost the same amount. You can say “well hell any team can do that anytime” but the Oilers dealt for Hendricks and he’s vastly more expensive.

    Anaheim has a $1M advantage in cap on Edmonton based on the signing.

    Shouldn’t you be able to pick up a cost certain 4th liner (of this stripe) via waivers just about whenever?

    I’ll have to watch more closely when the free agent signings start, but my sense was that guys like this over fill the market’s demand even in July. Sure, a few get lucky like Hendricks, but don’t most sign pretty cheaply?

    Should the Oil be in a hurry to sign Gazdic, then?

  134. gr8one says:

    Woodguy:
    I would trade the Oiler’s 5v4 zone entry system for a bag of ketchup chips.

    I personally would not, ketchup chips are far more valuable.

    Mind you, living in the States means I don’t have access to ketchup chips and thus miss them dearly.

  135. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy,

    What do you bet they trade for and/or sign MacDonald and add one of Markov or Nikitin?

    I think that is the blue we’re looking at. And the contracts won’t be pretty.

  136. sliderule says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I went through the Belov thing the other day.

    BS IMO.

    But the other thing Sutherby does is pick on Hemsky on the second goal — I went through this with Godot yesterday.

    I’m completely at a loss as to why anyone would want a fifth Oiler to cram into the strong side face-off area around the puck carrier. Surely someone should stretch the opposition team out; challenge the points and protect the weak side… right?

    I mean basically Sutherby is calling for a 5 man swarm. crazy.

    I have an unproven theory that if the coaches don’t know what they want the players to do ,the players get confused.
    They end up staring at the puck and doing neither checking or covering an open man and then turn into firemen.
    Don’t have your players turn into firemen ,hire competent coaches.

  137. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: I’m not even a fan anymore I guess.

    I can’t blindly cheer for incompetence so I’m excluded by them.

    OFDTO

    I swim against the stream but enjoy the daily work my brain gets from this site!

    Woodguy!
    Your an intellectual Fan!
    Frustration occurs!
    Fandom is for the team not the Business!
    Joy and Pain!

    The cup run team:
    8 Evg goals from players is a measure for the 05-06 Season
    Oilers:
    torres 21 EVG #20
    Horcoff 16 EVG #56
    Smyth 15 EVG #64
    Pisani 13 EVG #94
    Samsanov 13 EVG
    Hemsky 11 EVG #142
    Stoll 10 EVG #156
    Peca averaged #94 before the oilers.

    Spacek 8 EVG #4 Dman
    MAB 7 EVG #8 Dman
    Staios 7 #8 Dman
    Smith 4 EVG #34 Dman

    Now
    Hall 16 #19
    Perron 15 #26
    Eberle 12 #64
    RNH 10 #109 #90 his first year.
    Yakupov 7 #183 #38 his first year.
    Gordon 6 EVG #209
    Hemsky 6 EVG
    Gagner’s 10 EVG was #51 last year

    J. Schultz 8EVG #3 dman
    Petry 4 EVg #28
    Ference 2 EVG #90 Averaged #16 last 2 years.

    Hall-XXX-Yak
    Perron-Arco-XXX
    Hendricks-RNH-Eberle
    XXX-Gordon-XXX

    Lander the 1.35 PPG player in AHL. @ 22
    Horcoff 1.2 ppg @22
    Hall and yak were most successful with a Center whom was defensively strong. who could distribute.

  138. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Shouldn’t you be able to pick up a cost certain 4th liner (of this stripe) via waivers just about whenever?

    I’ll have to watch more closely when the free agent signings start, but my sense was that guys like this over fill the market’s demand even in July. Sure, a few get lucky like Hendricks, but don’t most sign pretty cheaply?

    Should the Oil be in a hurry to sign Gazdic, then?

    I think there’s value in retaining a guy who fits in and is popular with his mates. I know this blog devotes a lot of time to numbers, but if a guy does his job (and Gazdic does) then there’s no reason to move along to the next guy until he can’t do it anymore.

    The problem EDM has now is that they can’t have Hendricks and Gazdic and Fraser and be a possession team. There are too many enforcers to hide, meaning your GM and coach have decided things like possession don’t matter.

    And they do.

    Which is WHY the Hemsky trade is such an important moment for the Oilers. there’s every chance the 3rd AND 4th lines will be mule muscle after the deadline.

  139. SaskFan says:

    My ideal deadline/offseason:
    Bryz for a 3rd, Nultz for a 4th at deadline then bring fedun Pitlick and Bachman.

    Sign Hemsky for 4 times 3.75 (don’t see how he refuses)
    Gagner for Colin Wilson
    Eberle for Edler and rights to Hansen we get 2nd if Hansen doesn’t sign (I like him more than winnik/kulemin)
    Draft Bennet, his numbers are better than Hopkins and already same size while being physical
    Trade 3rd and fourth from Bryz/Nultz for Michael Neuvrith ( young goalie than can push scrivens but seems left out in WSH with Holtby and Graubner)
    Sign scrivens to 5 year 15 million contract (I think he’s the real deal)
    Petry 6 by 4.5
    Jultz 6 by 4 (risky, pay of could be huge)
    Hansen 3 by 3
    Lander one way 2 year 1 mill per
    Smyth 1.5 for one year
    Fedun .750
    Pitlick 2 by .750

    Move Colin smith to C if he can’t handle it put lander there.

    RNH-Hall-Yak/Hemsky
    Smith/Lander-Perron-Yak/Hemsky
    Gordon-Smith/Lander-Hansen
    Hendricks-Smyth-pitlick
    (Horak-Gazdik)

    Edler-Petry
    Marincin-Jultz
    Ference-Fedun
    (UFA)

    Scrivens
    Neuvrith

    Send Nurse and Bennet back to OHL, keep Klefbom in AHL.
    Note: I added .25 million and a year to what I thought the players would sign for.
    I believe these deals are all plausible and if not subbing in Erhoff or kulemin or Knoubin isn’t a big deal. I don’t know if that’s a playoff team but definetly competitive.

    Edit: meant Colin wilson

  140. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: I think there’s value in retaining a guy who fits in and is popular with his mates. I know this blog devotes a lot of time to numbers, but if a guy does his job (and Gazdic does) then there’s no reason to move along to the next guy until he can’t do it anymore.

    The problem EDM has now is that they can’t have Hendricks and Gazdic and Fraser and be a possession team. There are too many enforcers to hide, meaning your GM and coach have decided things like possession don’t matter.

    And they do.

    Which is WHY the Hemsky trade is such an important moment for the Oilers. there’s every chance the 3rd AND 4th lines will be mule muscle after the deadline.

    This is all great stuff.

    FWIW I don’t think I ice a Gazdic or a Hendricks if I ever had control of a team… but I don’t have a problem with Gazdic. I like him. I liked Hordichuk too. I think there’s some value in having affable losers around.

    My question is more specific: it seems a foregone conclusion they re-sign Gazdic. And, I’d have to think Gazdic is in love with the team that gave him his NHL shot. We’re married now. But, when do you sign him? As soon as you know? or whenever you get around to it? Or, is there a “best market time” to sign these kinds of players?

    Your initial response re: Jackman seems to suggest early is good. I’m just wondering if that is the case and/or the accepted wisdom?

    ———
    FWIW I’d keep Gazdic over Hendricks. Hendricks can do more (PK, center). But he costs more, the term is terrible. And he is far more likely to take up a useful roster spot for a Kulemin type. With Gazdic at least you know (or hope) they don’t try and play him at 3LW.

  141. hoser313 says:

    My answers to LT’s original question on evaluating MacT’s body of work:

    Gordon signing – great.
    Perron trade – good.
    Gazdic signing – good (given the cost).
    Belov signing – savvy bet. I still say buy the man some power skating lessons and bring him back. To me this is more value than getting back a 4th round pick. People forget he’s still an NHL rookie.
    Omark trade – savvy trade. Kudos for giving a player what he wanted. Remember folks we want FAs to want to come play here.
    Scrivens trade – reasonable bet. Upgrade this to good if he signs here.
    Bryz signing – reasonable bet.
    Mike Brown trade – good.
    Horcoff salary dump – everyone understood this was necessary.
    BTO signing – why not?

    Everything else was either a move sideways (there were plenty of these) or negative. In any event, this is a remarkable level of activity. You have to give MacT credit for that.

  142. oliveoilers says:

    Woodguy: I have no idea what any of your post meant.

    One more time in English?

    My, did someone poop in your cornflakes this morning? Your statement of OFDTO. I’m an Oilers fan. I decide to spend money and time following this team, a personal choice. I also exercise my right to criticise what I believe to be wrong with this team. As do you. As does LT, Rom and many more intelligent people on this site. So, because some people, myself included, do not agree with what YOU think is wrong with this team, we deserve the product put before us on the ice? That I deserve spend thousands of dollars taking my kids for weekends in Edmonton to see them lose, players to fail and the team unable to attract the marquis players we desperately need?

    You are usually a very witty, urbane and knowledgeable commenter, this taking of the intellectual high-ground and basically, fan snobbery, is very unlike your usual posts and unbecoming of you. As Evelyn Hall said in her biography of Voltaire: “I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” The ultimate expression of freedom of speech.

    My post was supposed to highlight that Oilers fans (pedestrians) are walking down the side walk (going to the game) and a car leaves the road and hits them (an act beyond their control; the Oilers being so shitty) that the pedestrians deserve this because they shouldn’t walk down a side walk next to a road.

    I agree that some fans’ criticism of players is misplaced and crosses the line of social acceptability. But so, ironically, is some fans’ criticism of other fans. I truly wish you an great ‘rest of the day’ and that you enjoy the game tonight.

    That was in English, but if you’d like, I’ll copy and paste and run it through the word translator and re-post in a language of your choice ;-)

  143. Caramel Obvious says:

    oliveoilers,

    There were many things wrong with this post, however I found the use of that “infamous” quote concerning Voltaire to be particularly egregious.

    The context of that defense of free speech is political repression which is, of course, not at issue here. Your attitude is representative of the general decline of intellectual culture in which the political defense of speech has deteriorated to a general equalization of opinion and the inability to distinguish between opinion and knowledge.

    That someone has a right to an opinion in a political sense does not imply that all opinions are equal. Your opinion is, to put it bluntly, the equal of other opinions simply by virtue of being given voice.

  144. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ummm…

    calm down everyone. Jibbing should be taken in a free-wheeling spirit around here.

    FWIW, I don’t think opinions are off-limits around here. Olive, I’m not sure what opinion it is you hold that you feel is under attack. Lay it out for us, we’ll argue about it. That’s good IMO.

  145. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Caramel Obvious: That someone has a right to an opinion in a political sense does not imply that all opinions are equal. Your opinion is, to put it bluntly, the equal of other opinions simply by virtue of being given voice.

    As far as I can tell Olive is upset Tyler et al aren’t recognizing that him/her and others liked Gilbert.

    If the opinion is “gilbert = good” I think that opinion is worth a lot around here.

  146. DeadmanWaking says:

    Fawzan Al-Naft: It doesn’t really seem like there’s a huge expertise gap between MacT and a reasonably smart, well-informed armchair fan.

    There isn’t much difference, other than the armchair fan’s massless ropes and frictionless pulleys.

    Mass comes from the Hijack boso–also known as Gary Bettman–whose expanding foam–crafty bargaining arrestorium–now penetrates into every quantum loophole.

    Friction comes from quirks and peccadilloes, all those human foibles behind the scenes that only surface in the public eye as grains of truth extracted from self-matting hairballs which almost seem to have minds of their own.

    The professional GM expends 80% of his physical energy straining against heavy ropes, and 80% of his cognitive energy mired in minding his Qs and Ps.

    But aside from that, there’s little difference.

  147. Pouzar says:

    Holy f^ck does this board need a trade to talk about.

  148. theres oil in virginia says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: He’s all yours.

    A competent 5/6 D has value. Belov looks just shy of that now with potential.

    A gritty 4th liner on an expensive and long contract blocking a roster spot for a prospect has negative value IMO.

    Sold!

    I think the contract is too long and too much cash, but I also think contract talk tends to muddle the picture sometimes. The player has value to the team independent of the contract. Right now, the contract isn’t hurting the team, so I don’t figure it reduces the player’s value.

    If the player who has such little value is blocking the prospect, what does that say about the prospect? Anyway, I don’t think loading the team with prospects, sans veterans, is a good idea.

    I don’t see Belov as a competent 5/6 D. I’m not as down on him as some, and the hits at the blue line raise my opinion of him, but I’m ambivalent about whether he stays/goes. I do see Hendricks as a competent 3rd/4th line wing. While I’m in the confessional, I like Gazdic too. He seems to be slowly developing into a guy who can keep the puck in the o-zone. He isn’t good at getting shots, but possession in the o-zone while the guns are cooling off is a good thing. He still isn’t good in the d-zone, but that puts him in good company. He’s still young, too.

  149. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    On Diogenes and Sophists – the latter were appreciated because they were seen as providing a marketable skill to youth in a culture and society heavily geared towards rewarding public persona and rhetorical skills.

    Even the Romans held on to the belief that sophistry, albeit by another name and reinvented with a Stoic bent, had real value.

    Modern interpretations treat sophistry and a clever turn of argument to the absurd or contrary as morally bankrupt.

    Interesting that in both situations you have democratic cultures, albeit on a spectrum rather than absolute terms that translate to the modern definition, that elevate the cult of personality.

    On Gazdic, I sign him when the dust settles on the rest of your roster. Probably sometime closer to draft day when you’ve heard offers on various names and can determine whether or not a clear upgrade is available any other way. No sense wasting energy chasing an upgrade with marginal real impact when you’ve got a serviceable option in house.

    The Ducks re-signing Gazdic is just proof that hockey management, for all the intelligent discourse and analysis offered by its fans, is still hockey. The Ducks, like the Sharks, are a well run organization managed by intelligent people…who have spent time and money acquiring Tim Jackman and Mike Brown, castoffs from two Alberta teams wallowing at the bottom of the standings.

    Those two players should stand as a minor counter to the argument “what team is going to want the players that can’t play on the worst teams in the league”.

  150. RexLibris says:

    Chase with two 1st assists in today’s game.

    Kulda with the OK goal.

    I hope the Oilers take Kulda as a late-round flyer. Really like this kid. He’s had a phenomenal improvement this year.

    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=52421

  151. frjohnk says:

    RexLibris,

    Chase is listed as a centre on the WHL website. http://whl.ca/roster/show/id/6793 Does he play centre, or is he a winger?

  152. denny33 says:

    LMHF#1:
    Ference is exactly who he’s been all season. A defensive defenseman who can’t defend. Especially in front of the net.

    The GA trend continues prior to the injury as well. He’d been on for 2 GA in that game before getting hurt and after he was out the team nearly came back and won.

    If Eakins is honest (and still around) he’ll have to acknowledge that Ference is going to be a highly overpaid bullpen catcher to the end of his contract. I suspect that he’ll just keep sending him out there. Fitness and all ya know.
    *****************************************************************

    In fairness to Craig, how could he have known a player selected in the 8th round, born in the 70′s, would not be able to keep up to the Western Conference in 2013/14….oh wait.

    Drum roll for the two year punch line…..let me guess Andrew will be a well compensated 3rd pairing defenceman next year.

  153. Lowetide says:

    Dave Stubbs ‏@Dave_Stubbs 20s

    Scouts accredited for #Habs vs #Leafs: Blue Jackets, Islanders, Oilers, Wild

  154. Lowetide says:

    Chase is a center in the game’s Ive seen him in. You can read more here.

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2013/11/10-prospect-greg-chase.html

  155. regwald says:

    RexLibris:
    Chase with two 1st assists in today’s game.

    Chase now with a 3rd assist. (secondary one) for a 3-1 lead for Calgary.

  156. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    RexLibris: On Diogenes and Sophists – the latter were appreciated because they were seen as providing a marketable skill to youth in a culture and society heavily geared towards rewarding public persona and rhetorical skills.
    Even the Romans held on to the belief that sophistry, albeit by another name and reinvented with a Stoic bent, had real value.
    Modern interpretations treat sophistry and a clever turn of argument to the absurd or contrary as morally bankrupt.
    Interesting that in both situations you have democratic cultures, albeit on a spectrum rather than absolute terms that translate to the modern definition, that elevate the cult of personality.

    This is a very good summation of the history.

    Just for fullness’ sake: the men of learning under the guise of sophists from 5th BCE through to late antiquity weren’t just involved in “clever turn of argument to the absurd or contrary” (I doubt that’s how you meant it to read).

    RexLibris: The Ducks re-signing Gazdic is just proof that hockey management

    This must be why LT’s like signing these guys early! Their getting poached mid-contract now! :)

  157. VanOil says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    In Belov’s defence he landed 2 or 3 excellent hits vs. Minny including knocking Matt Cooke on his ass. But man, did he have a horrible game. There’s more to the game than hitting, even though you need some physicality somewhere in your line-up. It’s hard to find the balance — especially, it seems, for the Oilers.

    As I watched Belov the other night delivering the big hits many had been braying for I thought he was trying to land/keep his job. The poor man came to the NHL trying to do things that win hockey games like shoot the puck and keep the puck in the zone at the point. Neither seemed to work as the Oilers could not win to start the season and have not been shining lights since.

    First he heard it from the fans that he and he and his team were not tough enough; where were those big hits we saw on Youtube?. Then he heard it from the GM that hired Mark Fraser, a defense man of limited skill and big knuckles, and gave him Belov’s job. Finally on his return from Sochi the coach delivers a speech to both players and fans saying the Oilers are going to be “harder to play against, especially at home” which was translated to Russian for him as “goon it up”.

    Given this feed back from the fans, GM and Coach Belov went out the other night and fought for his job. He delivered 2 big open ice hits that brought the crowd to its feet and 3 goals against which seem to be acceptable behavior for the Oilers. Sure its losing hockey but I don’t blame the player for coming to the conclusion that is what is expected of him to keep his job. I am not saying Belov’s foot speed, pivoting or positioning are of an acceptable NHL standard right now. I am saying swimming in the sea of shit that is the Oilers defense, defensive system, defensive coaching and player procurement strategy is a tough place to prove you are a swimmer. There might be an NHL role player there but on this team we will never know.

  158. Clay says:

    Woodguy:
    Pat and Tyler were musing on twitter about all the Actual NHLers that the Oilers sent away:

    Gilbert, Lubo, Souray, Cogliano, Brodziak, Cole, Penner, Horcoff (soon, Larsen ain’t sticking), Hemsky, original Smyth deal.

    The return?

    Klefbom, Roy and a couple of picks.

    All the players sent away still play in the NHL.

    Most of them prominent positions.

    Don’t forget the ones who they let walk for nothing… Hejda and Glencross, for starters… I’d throw in Smid, as the return from him is anything but guaranteed NHL caliber talent.

  159. stevezie says:

    Dellow just tweeted this board’s reaction to the Gilbert trade. I didn’t realise I’d been coming here for two years. Probably more. Neat.

    Also, I was bang on about the Gilbert trade. (Sort of, I though Schultz would be better than this.)

  160. stevezie says:

    If I was GM of the mighty Oil, I would phone Gillis and tell him I’ll take the Luogo contract off his hands but I need to be getting Edler too. Since Luongo’s contract clearly has negative value this should cheapen the cost of Edler.

    Solves goaltending, addresses D, and all it costs is a contract that look a little more affordable in the new cap landscape. Cap recapture only hurts the Canucks.

    Maybe if he knew a number one goalie was coming with him Edler would be willing to come here?

    I can dream.

  161. theres oil in virginia says:

    VanOil,

    It sounds like you’re upset that he mustered some physicality for the game. I don’t think the physical game and the sound defensive game are mutually exclusive. He’s not been great defensively, so it wasn’t a surprise to see that. I also didn’t see Belov as the primary cause for the goals against, but I slept through the third period, so maybe he was extra bad in that period?

  162. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    You’ve a background/familiarity in Classics?

    Reason #4502 why I love this site.

    LTs sense of the feminine aesthetic makes up reasons #1 through #86.

  163. Lowetide says:

    Twitter is telling me that the Habs have scouting watching OKC and Oiler scouts are watching the Habs. God I hope we get Ulanov!

  164. RexLibris says:

    LaFontaine resigns as Buffalo Pres. Hockey Ops.

    Surprised. But I suppose he doesn’t want to be around for the grueling work of putting humpty dumpty back together again. Can’t say that I blame him.

  165. Lowetide says:

    Chase 3A, now 63GP, 31-45-76
    Moroz 1G, now 63GP, 32-28-60

  166. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide,

    You had Chase at number 10 in that prospect ranking list At that time he had 25 points in 24 games.
    I think his stock is rising since then.

    This is moving closer and closer to a most beautiful pick.

  167. theres oil in virginia says:

    NBC having an 8:00 game tonight and an afternoon game tomorrow. Hockey popularity on the rise in the states?

  168. oliveoilers says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    oliveoilers,

    There were many things wrong with this post, however I found the use of that “infamous” quote concerning Voltaire to be particularly egregious.

    The context of that defense of free speech is political repression which is, of course, not at issue here.Your attitude is representative of the general decline of intellectual culture in which the political defense of speech has deteriorated to a general equalization of opinion and the inability to distinguish between opinion and knowledge.

    That someone has a right to an opinion in a political sense does not imply that all opinions are equal. Your opinion is, to put it bluntly, the equal of other opinions simply by virtue of being given voice.

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Sincere thanks, Rom. You see, it’s guys like Caramel, who either uses his intellect or google thesaurus (I don’t care which) to trample the opinion of those of us who are a little less spry around the playing field of reasoned debate. We used to call it ‘Baffle our Minds with Science’ or ‘Bullshit Baffes Brains’ when well lubricated. Read his post above. He is calling me an idiot, without the actual gumption to do so. And all because I do not see things from his perspective.

    I’ve posted before that I have served NATO in Bosnia and Kosovo, my brother in Afghanistan and Iraq (he’s a little younger!) for guys like Caramel to be able to post his opinion. And we would do so again in a heart beat, not for thanks, but because it needs to be done. See Germany, circa 1930s.

    Issues need not always be clouded in a shroud of philosophy. Sometimes it is as simple as “we’re here and our voice counts.”

  169. art vandelay says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    I get tired of the “Oiler fans deserve the Oilers” complaint. In reality, the majority of fans of every NHL team are less than well-informed about their team and its players. Actually, it seems as though Oiler fans might be among the most informed, judging from the Oilogosphere.

    That’s hilarious.

  170. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    Twitter is telling me that the Habs have scouting watching OKC and Oiler scouts are watching the Habs. God I hope we get Ulanov!

    The Russian Crunch!

    I’d love to get that meat-bar back. I’d hire him just to hand around with.

    Ulanov and Harvey would make a great pair of random ex-Oiler dinner celebrities.

  171. art vandelay says:

    oliveoilers,

    oliveoilers: Romulus Apotheosis,

    Sincere thanks, Rom.You see, it’s guys like Caramel, who either uses his intellect or google thesaurus (I don’t care which) to tramplethe opinion of those of us who are a little less spry around the playing field of reasoned debate.We used to call it ‘Baffle our Minds with Science’ or ‘Bullshit Baffes Brains’ when well lubricated.Read his post above.He is calling me an idiot, without the actual gumption to do so.And all because I do not see things from his perspective.

    I’ve posted before that I have served NATO in Bosnia and Kosovo, my brother in Afghanistan and Iraq (he’s a little younger!) for guys like Caramel to be able to post his opinion.And we would do so again in a heart beat, not for thanks, but because it needs to be done.See Germany, circa 1930s.

    Issues need not always be clouded in a shroud of philosophy.Sometimes it is as simple as “we’re here and our voice counts.”

    Gimme a break. You joined the military b/c it’s a job. You police brown people in world shitholes. You don’t do anything for my free speech. Gawd awmighty. You’re worse than cops and firefighters.

  172. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    NBC having an 8:00 game tonight and an afternoon game tomorrow.Hockey popularity on the rise in the states?

    It’s these fucking winter classics… which, hey I can’t complain, more tv hockey!

    us antenna hockey people (i don’t pay for cable) have to make do.

  173. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    art vandelay:
    oliveoilers,

    Gimme a break. You joined the military b/c it’s a job. You police brown people in world shitholes. You don’t do anything for my free speech. Gawd awmighty. You’re worse than cops and firefighters.

    Hi Art!

  174. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Woodguy,

    What do you bet they trade for and/or sign MacDonald and add one of Markov or Nikitin?

    I think that is the blue we’re looking at. And the contracts won’t be pretty.

    I have no idea what they are thinking.

    I hope they surprise me with quality adds.

  175. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    RexLibris: You’ve a background/familiarity in Classics?

    Yes. But no formal training. That is in other things that are related to Classics.

    I have a particular interest in the Sophists do to Nietzsche’s interest in them (despite Brobjer’s protest):

    http://philpapers.org/rec/BRONDA

    But, yea… all the rest: plays, religious sects, philosophy, etc. anything old is good for me.

  176. Yeti says:

    I feel a bit of self-censorship might be appropriate for all at this point in the thread because no-one truly wants this to go where it’s headed.
    How about them Oilers, eh?

  177. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear: I swim against the stream but enjoy the daily work my brain gets from this site!

    Woodguy!
    Your an intellectual Fan!
    Frustration occurs!
    Fandom is for the team not the Business!
    Joy and Pain!

    The cup run team:
    8 Evg goals from players is a measure for the 05-06 Season
    Oilers:
    torres 21 EVG #20
    Horcoff 16 EVG #56
    Smyth 15 EVG #64
    Pisani13 EVG #94
    Samsanov 13 EVG
    Hemsky 11 EVG #142
    Stoll 10 EVG #156
    Peca averaged #94 before the oilers.

    Spacek 8 EVG #4 Dman
    MAB 7 EVG #8 Dman
    Staios 7#8 Dman
    Smith 4 EVG #34 Dman

    Now
    Hall 16 #19
    Perron 15 #26
    Eberle 12 #64
    RNH10 #109#90 his first year.
    Yakupov 7 #183 #38 his first year.
    Gordon 6 EVG #209
    Hemsky 6 EVG
    Gagner’s 10 EVG was #51 last year

    J. Schultz 8EVG #3 dman
    Petry4 EVg #28
    Ference 2 EVG #90 Averaged #16 last 2 years.

    Hall-XXX-Yak
    Perron-Arco-XXX
    Hendricks-RNH-Eberle
    XXX-Gordon-XXX

    Lander the 1.35 PPG player in AHL. @ 22
    Horcoff 1.2 ppg @22
    Hall and yak were most successful with a Center whom was defensively strong. who could distribute.

    Love you too Ricki!

  178. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    oliveoilers: I’ve posted before that I have served NATO in Bosnia and Kosovo, my brother in Afghanistan and Iraq (he’s a little younger!) for guys like Caramel to be able to post his opinion. And we would do so again in a heart beat, not for thanks, but because it needs to be done.

    How are you on the COIN vs CT argument?

  179. Racki says:

    Lowetide:
    Twitter is telling me that the Habs have scouting watching OKC and Oiler scouts are watching the Habs. God I hope we get Ulanov!

    Pretty sure it’s something along the lines of:

    To MTL:
    Nail Yakupov
    Taylor Fedun

    To EDM:
    Larry Robinson
    Mike McPhee
    2nd Rounder in 1987

  180. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: I have no idea what they are thinking.

    I hope they surprise me with quality adds.

    Me too!

  181. Gerta Rauss says:

    I didn’t think it was possible to think any less of you Art, but here we are

  182. theres oil in virginia says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: It’s these fucking winter classics… which, hey I can’t complain, more tv hockey!

    us antenna hockey people (i don’t pay for cable) have to make do.

    Aah, I missed that it was another outdoor game. Hey, I’ll take it. I don’t pay for cable/dish either. I pay for the online version of the NHL gamecenter and NFL gamerwind. Did you know that you can watch an entire NFL game in less than 30 minutes!? It’s the only way I can stomach them – no commercials.

  183. theres oil in virginia says:

    oliveoilers,
    Don’t worry man, TGO and Hunter will be along soon to complete the circle of troll. May the circle be unbroken.

  184. gvblackhawk says:

    oliveoilers: Romulus Apotheosis,

    Sincere thanks, Rom.You see, it’s guys like Caramel, who either uses his intellect or google thesaurus (I don’t care which) to tramplethe opinion of those of us who are a little less spry around the playing field of reasoned debate.We used to call it ‘Baffle our Minds with Science’ or ‘Bullshit Baffes Brains’ when well lubricated.Read his post above.He is calling me an idiot, without the actual gumption to do so.And all because I do not see things from his perspective.

    I’ve posted before that I have served NATO in Bosnia and Kosovo, my brother in Afghanistan and Iraq (he’s a little younger!) for guys like Caramel to be able to post his opinion.And we would do so again in a heart beat, not for thanks, but because it needs to be done.See Germany, circa 1930s.

    Issues need not always be clouded in a shroud of philosophy.Sometimes it is as simple as “we’re here and our voice counts.”

    Why would you give any consideration to what Caramel Oblivious has to say? He’s an internet egomaniac and an intellectual bully. In the real world, he’s just another nerd who can’t get a date on Friday night. Who gives a rat’s ass about his ‘knowledgeable’ opinions?

  185. stevezie says:

    oliveoilers,

    I understand your complaint, but I don’t think CO was calling you an idiot, I think he was just saying you were wrong. When he or she calls someone an idiot it’s usually in pretty clear terms.

  186. Ryan says:

    Racki: Pretty sure it’s something along the lines of:

    To MTL:
    Nail Yakupov
    Taylor Fedun

    To EDM:
    Larry Robinson
    Mike McPhee
    2nd Rounder in 1987

    I actually have a source who’s told me that the Oilers would like to trade Yakupov. Obviously in what they hope is a quality for quality trade. not to get rid of him.

  187. Ryan says:

    rickithebear,

    You seem to put a lot of effort into posting whatever it is you post, but I’m honestly not sure if anyone here ever has a clue what you’re talking about.

  188. VanOil says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    VanOil,

    It sounds like you’re upset that he mustered some physicality for the game.I don’t think the physical game and the sound defensive game are mutually exclusive.He’s not been great defensively, so it wasn’t a surprise to see that.I also didn’t see Belov as the primary cause for the goals against, but I slept through the third period, so maybe he was extra bad in that period?

    I am not upset about Belov mustering some physicality. I am upset that the Oilers management team seems to value physical play above effective defensive play. What I am most upset with is that the Oilers due not seem coach/communicate effectively with defensemen.

    Belov has had some good games and more bad games, the last game was a stinker, hits aside. But the player they brought into replace him, Fraser, has only had bad games. Replacing Belov with Fraser is not as bad as replacing Gilbert with Schultz but it still stinks. Keeping the same defensive coach at the NHL level who has consistently produced for years on end a horrible defense stinks to high heaven. The fans, media, GM and worst of all the coaches seem to be telling Belov that hitting, eye glow and toughness is more important than playing good hockey. I agree that Hitting can be part of playing good hockey but it is not an end in its own right.

  189. Ryan says:

    Honest question. how many times have you guys watched this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DIFeOkD_dc

    [it's funny because we're awful]

  190. stevezie says:

    gvblackhawk,

    There are certain topics I usually avoid on here, for various reasons, and one of them is CO’s status as a “troll”. Tonight I’m trying to write a paper, which usually means I start posting a lot more, so against my better judgement I’m wading in:

    CO has a well-earned reputation, I’m not going to argue it, but if you can’t tell the difference between someone smart whose personality grates on you and someone who is just aggresively spilling nonsense all over the crowd, then I suggest you sign yourself up for some insensitivity training.

    No one likes getting insulted, but c’mon. This is the internet. It’s fun getting into heated debates, isn’t it? Sometimes harsh people have some good points and if you’re willing to check your feelings at the door you can learn something. My personal experience with ruthless people is they usually do the same.

    If you think you can tell the difference are believe the good Colonel to be in the latter catagory then do what I do with the people on here I wish I could ignore: I ignore them.

    Personally? I’m a fan.

  191. Ryan says:

    Last thought before I head out for dinner.

    True / False – The Oilers have regressed under Dallas Eakins.

  192. Lowetide says:

    Ford (Arcobello, Lander) 1-0 OKC. Lordy Lander.

  193. SaskFan says:

    Jordan Eberle draft +1 61gp 35 39 74
    Greg Chase draft +1 63gp 31 45 76

    Add to the fact that he’s already listed between 6- 6’1 195-205 and known for his physicality/grit AND he’s a centre, I think that there’s a chance that he could be a legit top 6 player. Just imagine us with 6’1 215 pound centre putting up 50-60 points a year.

  194. Lowetide says:

    Ryan: I actually have a source who’s told me that the Oilers would like to trade Yakupov.Obviously in what they hope is a quality for quality trade.not to get rid of him.

    I’ve heard that too, that they might move him in a hockey trade. They’ll regret it.

  195. theres oil in virginia says:

    VanOil,

    Yeah, I more-or-less see it the same way. Fraser playing more than a couple of games from this point on will be discouraging, but I can understand why they gave him a look-and-see. In defense of the coaches, it’s hard to coach incompetence into NHL defenseman. Marincin looks good. Petry looks good. J Schultz is coming around. Remember, Tambellini ushered a lot of NHL talent out the door.

    stevezie: There are certain topics I usually avoid on here, for various reasons, and one of them is CO’s status as a “troll”.

    In fairness to gvblackhawk, it was me who insinuated that CO was a troll, but in fairness to me I was just cracking a joke and trying to lighten the mood.

  196. The Great One says:

    Looks like Kesler, Edler and Luongo could be on the move:

    http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/van140301.html

  197. Ryan says:

    Lowetide: I’ve heard that too, that they might move him in a hockey trade. They’ll regret it.

    My source has a deal going down possibly before the deadline. Does yours?

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