FLAMES AT OILERS, G72 13-14

The Edmonton Oilers can catch a few teams before the end of the season. The question is should they? I believe the Oilers have to stand and deliver at some point, and now is as good a time as any.

  • Through December 27: 39, 12-24-3
  • Since December 28: 32, 13-13-6
  • Last 10: 5-3-2
  • Overall: 71, 25-37-9

standings mar 22

Edmonton has 11 games left, and can catch all of Florida, NY Islanders and Calgary. If all teams perform in their next 10 the way they have recently, Edmonton would pass Florida and the Islanders. The only way they catch these teams? Scrivens/Fasth have be Parent/Hasek, the skill required to win the possession game just isn’t there. Edmonton will play Calgary tonight, and will get outshot. Book it. That’s a very large problem and it hasn’t been fixed this season.

FACEOFFS

  1. Boyd Gordon 57.4 (1311)
  2. Mark Arcobello 51.0 (404)
  3. Sam Gagner 45.8 (828)
  4. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 42.4 (1086)

While we’re putting together the summer ‘to do’ list, it might be a plan to get Boyd Gordon some help. Mark Arcobello showing up again in a good spot.

KEEPERS

I used to play this game as a kid, probably because there was an expansion draft every two years and there was another time when two teams did merge. If we ask ourselves to list the absolute locks for this team (in our collective opinion) how many are there?

  1. Ben Scrivens
  2. Viktor Fasth
  3. Justin Schultz
  4. Jeff Petry
  5. Andrew Ference
  6. Martin Marincin
  7. Oscar Klefbom
  8. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  9. Boyd Gordon
  10. Taylor Hall
  11. David Perron
  12. Matt Hendricks
  13. Jordan Eberle
  14. Nail Yakupov

That’s my list, you might feel there’s a player who shouldn’t be on the list (or one added) but the 14th guy for me (Hendricks) has done enough to earn a spot as a role player next season. It’s also worth noting how many of these players are either too young to be in their prime or too old—very few peak players, which is typical for bad hockey teams. I remain hopeful the Oilers will sign Ryan Smyth to play LW next year on the 4line.

WILL MACT BLOW IT UP?

Part of me wonders if Craig MacTavish will turn over a bunch of the roster this summer. If he’s going to pursue a button down team (and let’s face it, he coached an EV juggernaut and Eakins looks like the same guy) maybe he trades away some of the skill in exchange for the sure things? Something to ponder.

ACQUIRING ACTUAL NHL DEFENSEMEN

We always talk about the Oilers going out and getting a defenseman who is established and young enough to hang around for a long time, but NHL teams don’t trade those guys often. In fact, the Oilers have traded more away in recent seasons (Smid, Gilbert) than they’ve acquired. I’m not saying Jeff Petry is heading out of town, but have to wonder at this point if the Oilers value Petry at a level equal to his ability.

Petry is RFA this season and will be looking for a significant raise. Oilers have often stepped off at this exact point (Cogliano, etc) in the relationship.

RELEASE THE HOUNDS!

low and mact corsi

I stole this from Dellow awhile back, he did all the work to go back and find the season over season Corsi for MacT’s teams (with the rebuild beginning in 2006-07 very obvious). I would link to the article, but couldn’t find it on Tyler’s site. He does talk about Corsi% Proxies of the past here. I don’t like stealing stuff without linking, but credit is due Tyler because this is the good stuff here.

What do these numbers tell us? Glen Sather, Ron Low, Kevin Lowe and Craig MacTavish had established and sustained an era where they could push the river (at least to a draw) with a budget that was trumped pretty much everywhere. At the time, I remember being frustrated by it, struck by a sense of the Oilers plight being unfair. Now, I feel my team has taken advantage of the tanking loophole for half a decade and are overundersidewaysdown.

If MacT has to cash Eberle and Yakupov and Schultz and some of these other kids to get back to 52.6% Corsi%, then release the hounds.

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  1. Gret99zky says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    I can’t watch 89 wander away from the play anymore. His head is not in it and without that he’s not a useful player. He may never be the same.

    picking out bridesmaids dresses is wearing him down

  2. justDOit says:

    cmcousine:
    Well, this game sucks. Why am I still watching again?

    Because Gagner is going to set Safeway back $1M in the third, and win it?

  3. justDOit says:

    Scrivens with some sorcery there. That’s some stats-defying, saving of the puck.

  4. Kitchener says:

    cmcousine:
    Well, this game sucks. Why am I still watching again?

    Because we’re not Canucks fans.

  5. oliveoilers says:

    Fuck me, Eakins has lost it. National TV arguing with his players on the bench. Calls must be flooding in from UFAs already.

  6. Rebilled says:

    Bye Bye Eakins.

    Adios via Hall and this garbage.

  7. hunter1909 says:

    I’m glad they’re not getting rid of Eakins. Just think of the damage it might do, changing coaches.

  8. jake70 says:

    Did Eakins just have his “Tom Renney-Hall empty net” moment with Hall on the bench? Nice knowin ya Dallas…lol.

  9. Andy P says:

    What’s up with Eakins and Hall on the bench? I changed channels when Cgy went up 2-1.

  10. gvblackhawk says:

    Kitchener: He’s trying to be balanced.The Eberle feature was another example.I don’t mind the effort to say something positive.It’s way better than what the intermission crowd will say about the OIlers.

    They’ll find a way to bash Yakupov. Lord Healy already awarded Nail the green jacket last intermission. Worst hockey analyst on TV.

  11. jake70 says:

    Andy P:
    What’s up with Eakins and Hall on the bench? I changed channels when Cgy went up 2-1.

    It’s best not to know….life is a little easier that way.

  12. russ99 says:

    Yikes, just when I thought it couldn’t get any worse…

  13. hoser313 says:

    Man, Oilers are wrecking what I think has been a very good game for Klefbom.

  14. Rondo says:

    They have quit on Eakins, but Daryl has not.

  15. VanOil says:

    The Oilers are gloriously out shooting the Flames through 2 periods.

  16. Gret99zky says:

    clearly Hall does not recognize nor appreciate genius

  17. jake70 says:

    hunter1909:
    I’m glad they’re not getting rid of Eakins. Just think of the damage it might do, changing coaches.

    Saw your comment last thread…something about “fragged in Nam”…still chuckling at that one (had to look it up).

  18. G Money says:

    oliveoilers:
    Fuck me, Eakins has lost it.National TV arguing with his players on the bench.Calls must be flooding in from UFAs already.

    “Come for the demoralizing losses, stay for the coach-killing antics”?

  19. gvblackhawk says:

    G Money: “Come for the demoralizing losses, stay for the coach-killing antics”?

    That’s got a nice ring to it.

  20. gvblackhawk says:

    G Money,

    Helluva lot better than Chop Wood Carry Water.

  21. justDOit says:

    jake70: Saw your comment last thread…something about “fragged in Nam”…still chuckling at that one (had to look it up).

    Another good from from Hunter (I think), is that Lowe should be forced to coach this roster. And I think that was said back when Krueger was coaching. That’s a roster with Hords, Eager and others.

  22. Ribs says:

    Don’t you just hate when your systems have giant gaping holes in them that your opponents identify and target? I wonder if we see a long pass in the third from the Flames…

  23. jake70 says:

    justDOit: Another good from from Hunter (I think), is that Lowe should be forced to coach this roster. And I think that was said back when Krueger was coaching. That’s a roster with Hords, Eager and others.

    I just had this vision of the faces of Quinn, Renney, Krueger, Eakins carved into a mountain side in the Canadian rockies, sort of anti-Mount Rushmore theme.

  24. hoser313 says:

    Atta boy Lander.

  25. oliveoilers says:

    This just in: Edmonton in 8th for wildcard slot in west! Huge improvement on last year where we were no where near a wild card slot.

  26. oliveoilers says:

    Ribs:
    Don’t you just hate when your systems have giant gaping holes in them that your opponents identify and target? I wonder if we see a long pass in the third from the Flames…

    I saw the flames passing to very specific areas whether their players were there or not. This suggests that Bob has done his homework. DE doesn’t need to, as the ubersystem, once mastered, will crush all who oppose it. All your Stanley Cups now are belong to us!

  27. sliderule says:

    Thank goodness.

    The oilers have a spirited bench

    Hall is making the decision for Mact.

  28. rich says:

    HA! The Eakins v. Hall argument is Edmonton’s version of Watergate!

  29. gvblackhawk says:

    Eakins had a hissy fit because he got sprayed by a little water. What a fuckin tit.

  30. flyfish1168 says:

    Hall vs eakin’s this maybe the end of the road for one

  31. Numenius says:

    Haven’t seen Hall on the ice since the fight.

  32. OilClog says:

    That is insane!

    Of all the player/coach moments.. Eakins just got a giant FU in his face, from the franchise.

  33. Rebilled says:

    Katz is a coward and is scared of Kevin Lowe.

    Eakins maaaaybe should have pulled Vic when it 1-4.

    Welcome to amateur hour.

  34. OilClog says:

    In no way does Hall leave town.

    I blame Woodguy if he does.

  35. sliderule says:

    Instead of smashing the water bottle against bench it should of hit the a hole coach in the head.

  36. LMHF#1 says:

    Bench Hall, that’ll do it…

    Fire that slick haired moron.

  37. OilClog says:

    So MacT or Messier is next coach?

    Maybe Huddy?

    Trotz might be done in Nash.

  38. jake70 says:

    Holy cow…this isn’t even funny.

  39. VanOil says:

    I want 10

  40. flyfish1168 says:

    I believe the players have quit on Eakins

  41. gvblackhawk says:

    I was thinking maybe, just maybe the Oilers should give Eakins another year to see how it goes.

    Not now. He needs to be fired.

  42. OilClog says:

    My updates can’t keep up with goals against

    Is there a stat for that?

  43. G Money says:

    Good thing that 3-1 loss to the worst team in the league was a real wake-up call for this team.

  44. OilClog says:

    As an Oiler fan, being beaten 7-1 on home ice by the Flames, this version of the Flames.

    Lowest point ever IMO

  45. oliveoilers says:

    Jersey on ice bets? I’ll pick 2, with the last full minute of booing.

  46. Numenius says:

    Hall’s out. First shift this period at 12:39.

  47. Kitchener says:

    4-93-14 back together there.

    Somewhere in the distance Burke is peeing his pants laughing.

  48. G Money says:

    Kitchener,

    In fairness, he’s probably peeing whether he’s laughing or not.

  49. oliveoilers says:

    OilClog:
    As an Oiler fan, being beaten 7-1 on home ice by the Flames, this version of the Flames.

    Lowest point ever IMO

    We’ve turned a corner! There’s light at the end of the tunnel…….oops, it’s an effin’ train coming!

  50. jake70 says:

    Well, Scrivens “returning” that thrown jersey will make the hi-lites tomorrow.

  51. gvblackhawk says:

    Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce Kelly “Naive” Hrudey.

  52. oliveoilers says:

    G Money: Was this term invented specifically for the Oilers?Because if it wasn’t, it should have been.

    Something that sprang to mind from my army days. It seemed apt.

  53. oliveoilers says:

    jake70:
    Well, Scrivens “returning” that thrown jersey will make the hi-lites tomorrow.

    There was a jersey thrown? I missed it. I picked 2 remember!

  54. Numenius says:

    I wouldn’t be so quick to put it all on Eakins.

    Hall needs work on his attitude too.

    Frustration is a useless, counterproductive emotion.

  55. jake70 says:

    oliveoilers: There was a jersey thrown?I missed it.I picked 2 remember!

    Unless I am half asleep, was during the TV timeout.

  56. Andy P says:

    OilClog:
    So MacT or Messier is next coach?

    Maybe Huddy?

    Trotz might be done in Nash.

    Todd Nelson’s the guy. He got the young core to play for him in OKC, and if he does not come up next year he’ll leave OKC anyway. But then he would need to want to coach the Oil.

  57. gvblackhawk says:

    Numenius:
    I wouldn’t be so quick to put it all on Eakins.

    Hall needs work on his attitude too.

    Frustration is a useless, counterproductive emotion.

    It’s professional sports and he threw a water bottle down. A splash does not deserve a benching.

  58. Oilanderp says:

    Somewhere Devan Dubnyk is regressing from former gains in his therapy sessions and having horrible flashbacks..

  59. VanOil says:

    I have thought since attending some stinkers since 2007 that instead of the 3 stars after a game like this at home the Captain should skate out on ice and by a whole section of fans out of cash the players coughed up.

  60. flyfish1168 says:

    There is still time for 10

  61. G Money says:

    Boy, that Glencross guy – sure glad he wasn’t good enough to keep on our team.

  62. jake70 says:

    Nice Perron, an Oiler got a shot on net.

  63. G Money says:

    So – bets on the coach for next year?

    I see Trotz and Nelson have already been floated.

    Any others?

  64. Numenius says:

    gvblackhawk: It’s professional sports and he threw a water bottle down.A splash does not deserve a benching.

    He threw the bottle down in frustration. Real professionals let it go and get back out there with confidence.

  65. Ribs says:

    Does Eakins survive this? It could be a freak of nature game, but against Calgary? Good thing the rivalry is pretty much dead. Yikes.

  66. jake70 says:

    Numenius: He threw the bottle down in frustration. Real professionals let it go and get back out there with confidence.

    I wonder if Hall’s benching was not for the incident itself but for words said in the exchange.

  67. icecastles says:

    gvblackhawk: Eakins had a hissy fit because he got sprayed by a little water. What a fuckin tit.

    Yeah, that’s how it happened.

    I swear, with every goal against, the IQ on here drops a few more points. I almost don’t bother with the GDTs here anymore. Unfortunate as there are a lot of very smart folks on here.

  68. Henry says:

    Sam is -4 so far. What’s the course record for the Oilers?

  69. art vandelay says:

    Eight?
    I thought Corgis had litters of 6 or less.

  70. russ99 says:

    If this isn’t rock bottom, I don’t wanna stick around for what rock bottom is.

    Katz has to take a hard look in the mirror and understand that his actions (or non-actions) are enabling this hornets nest of mismanagement.

  71. OilClog says:

    Andy P: Todd Nelson’s the guy. He got the young core to play for him in OKC, and if he does not come up next year he’ll leave OKC anyway. But then he would need to want to coach the Oil.

    MacT will never do it.

  72. OilFire says:

    icecastles: Yeah, that’s how it happened.

    I swear, with every goal against, the IQ on here drops a few more points. I almost don’t bother with the GDTs here anymore. Unfortunate as there are a lot of very smart folks on here.

    Wasn’t able to watch the game today, and assumed the comments were in full hyperbole. What actually did happen?

  73. oliveoilers says:

    Numenius:
    I wouldn’t be so quick to put it all on Eakins.

    Hall needs work on his attitude too.

    Frustration is a useless, counterproductive emotion.

    You are right about DE and Hall, of course, but not about the frustration bit. It is a perfectly healthy emotion. I watched a documentary about it. It had that guy from ‘The Shining’ in it. It was called ‘Anger Management.’ Helped me a lot. (Distant music…I’m so pretty, oh so pretty….)

  74. sliderule says:

    Eakins is done .

    I would think by Monday.

    The bottle thing shows more immaturity by him than Hall

  75. Kitchener says:

    G Money: Trotz

    Glen Healy

  76. Oilanderp says:

    On a positive note, none of this affects our guys’ 5v5close stats. *whew*

  77. gvblackhawk says:

    Numenius: He threw the bottle down in frustration. Real professionals let it go and get back out there with confidence.

    Guys lose it all the time to vent frustration. A scream, a stick-smash, a water bottle toss, trashing the dugout, etc. It’s a normal course of action for some guys.

    Eakins should have been more professional — Hall did not mean to sprinkle water on him. He clearly over-reacted.

  78. LMHF#1 says:

    Listening to the radio clowns shill for the org on the early drove home sure was hilarious. Hall “resting an injury”…sure Bob…

  79. Numenius says:

    jake70: I wonder if Hall’s benching was not for the incident itself but for words said in the exchange.

    Yeah, that was probably a big part of it.

  80. art vandelay says:

    Oilanderp:
    On a positive note, none of this affects our guys’ 5v5close stats.*whew*

    But it totally messes up their Fender Stratohammers vs the toughs

  81. Lowetide says:

    Just a quick note on language, folks. Please refrain from being vulgar on the off chance a lady drops in.

  82. G Money says:

    Is there a stat for pulling the chute and/or lollygagging?

  83. OilClog says:

    Numenius: Yeah, that was probably a big part of it.

    Hall “could you show me your coaching credentials?”
    Eakins “I would! But you got them wet!”

  84. Ribs says:

    No one is at all worried that Hall injured himself doing his latest Gumby impersonation on the goal post earlier in the game?

  85. Numenius says:

    oliveoilers: You are right about DE and Hall, of course, but not about the frustration bit.It is a perfectly healthy emotion.I watched a documentary about it.It had that guy from ‘The Shining’ in it.It was called ‘Anger Management.’Helped me a lot.(Distant music…I’m so pretty, oh so pretty….)

    Haha!

  86. gvblackhawk says:

    Only the 50/50 draw kept the remaining suckers from leaving early.

  87. G Money says:

    gvblackhawk:
    Only the 50/50 draw kept the remaining suckers from leaving early.

    What’s our excuse?

  88. Numenius says:

    All I know is this loss was all Yak’s fault.

  89. LMHF#1 says:

    I don’t like following a team where 10-9-4 is “good”.

  90. G Money says:

    Scrivens .800, Fasth .688

    Sorry guys, you can’t play yourselves off the team. That Nashville trick with Dubnyk only works once. You’re both here for at least a year.

  91. G Money says:

    Ohhhhhh oh, we’re halfway there! Ohhh oh, livin’ on a prayer!

  92. G Money says:

    Numenius:
    All I know is this loss was all Yak’s fault.

    And Hemsky’s. Fookin’ enigmas.

  93. gvblackhawk says:

    G Money: What’s our excuse?

    Sadism in its purist form.

  94. oliveoilers says:

    icecastles: Yeah, that’s how it happened.

    I swear, with every goal against, the IQ on here drops a few more points. I almost don’t bother with the GDTs here anymore. Unfortunate as there are a lot of very smart folks on here.

    And you’re the guy that brings the IQ back up, are you? Numenus is right, frustration can be bad, but we’re all in this together, so insulting the fan posters while insinuating that you are some kind of moral ubermensch isn’t cool. Neither are quasi-qualifiers like ‘Unfortunate as there are a lot of very smart folks on here’ so you hope people don’t think you mean them. Just a bunch a dudes (and dudettes) venting, nothing more and certainly nothing to do with the IQ of the posters. When everyone goes quiet…….then you can start worrying.

  95. rich says:

    Numenius:
    All I know is this loss was all Yak’s fault.

    Ding, ding, ding!

  96. G Money says:

    gvblackhawk,

    Maybe we should petition LT to start a 50/50 on the GDTs?

  97. oliveoilers says:

    Lowetide:
    Just a quick note on language, folks. Please refrain from being vulgar on the off chance a lady drops in.

    Sorry, my bad. I’ll take that one. Good night everyone.

  98. Gret99zky says:

    G Money,

    there’s a stat for everything

    and it always has a silver lining

  99. Kitchener says:

    Ryan Smyth the only Oiler without a negative +/-. 6:1 in the faceoff dot.

    MacT can’t be sleeping well tonight.

  100. justDOit says:

    Some FZ and Captain Beefheart.

    The most relevant music that comes to mind…

  101. G Money says:

    “What this team needs is an enema!” – Joker, the Batman’s arch-enemy, also related to that guy from the Shining and that Anger documentary.

    Works, doesn’t it?

  102. icecastles says:

    oliveoilers: so you hope people don’t think you mean them

    I don’t think anyone confuses you with the intelligent ones, Olive.

  103. G Money says:

    Geez, play nice boys! We all suffer from the same masochistic bipolar variable-IQ personality disorder/syndrome (called “being an Oiler fan”), so we’re all in this together!

    (Kumbaya etc)

    EDIT: or girls. Damn my sports-related sexism.

    GO SPORTS!

  104. gvblackhawk says:

    oliveoilers,

    Vulgar… but hilarious!

    Serenity now. Serenity now……Serenity now………

  105. Lowetide says:

    Scirvens just gave a great interview. My God he’s an intelligent guy. Lordy.

  106. jfry says:

    A full game of grade “a” chances for the opponent. Reminded me a lot of the first couple months. This team really hasn’t improved.

    I keep seeing the former okc guys good. They seem to be in the right places most the time. I think Lander was around the puck a lot today. I think nelson is probably a very strong communicator of the fundamentals.

  107. G Money says:

    The Oilers tweeter just quoted Ference (presumably post-game interview) as saying: “Everything snowballed negatively… We failed to come out with that spark we needed to have coming into the second period.”

    OK, we get that part, it was pretty obvious.

    But WHY, for the love of God, WHY against the FLAMES at HOME would you fail to come out with the spark you need? If that doesn’t motivate you as at team, what does?

    It’s a meaningless game for the Flames too, so you can’t use that as an excuse.

  108. Eastern Oil says:

    @LT

    I was thinking the same thing re: Scrivens, what a bright spot he has been on and off the ice. Great interview.

    My other thought, and I realize it’s within an 8-1 game, but I thought Lander had a great game tonight. Showed decent chemistry with RNH and Eberle and did a lot of the small things right. Again, within the context of a blowout but even early on I liked what I saw.

  109. Ribs says:

    Scrivens is great. Perfect read on the situation and perfect response.

  110. Younger Oil says:

    You know it’s not a good night when you find yourself agreeing with Healy.

  111. Ribs says:

    Eakins – ” We tried everything and couldn’t recover.”

    Everything???

  112. LMHF#1 says:

    This team is not playing the quality of hockey Eakins thinks it is. Goaltending covers all.

  113. Ribs says:

    Eakins way too calm right now.

  114. justDOit says:

    Ribs:
    Eakins – ” We tried everything and couldn’t recover.”

    Everything???

    I don’t think they tried scoring more goals (thx Art). That would have worked.

  115. Numenius says:

    Elliotte Friedman just nails it.

    Love Scrivens.

  116. rich says:

    Younger Oil:
    You know it’s not a good night when you find yourself agreeing with Healy.

    Agreed. Healy makes sense (for once). You can’t keep canning one coach after another and at some point the kids have to mature for the good of the franchise.

  117. stevezie says:

    I was going to watch the game but I went out with friends instead. For those who’ll get the reference, will quote Homer: “…perhaps it’s best that didn’t fall on me.”

    I’m just watching Eakins post-game, an no, you guys weren’t playing that well lately. You weren’t that bad to start the year either. It was the goalie.

  118. Numenius says:

    Just saw Hall’s interview.

    Confirmed exactly what I was saying.

    So there!

    *congratulates self*

  119. LMHF#1 says:

    How many times this season has Eakins said something like “everything was going fine”?

    He just doesn’t get it.

    Going fine is up 2+ goals – not being in a flat game with the friggin Flames.

  120. admiralmark says:

    Chop wood, throw water at coach. It was just a misunderstanding.

  121. stevezie says:

    Lowetide: Scirvens just gave a great interview. My God he’s an intelligent guy. Lordy.

    How did he get his “professor” nickname in the first place? Does anyone know?

  122. Ribs says:

    Numenius:
    Just saw Hall’s interview.

    Confirmed exactly what I was saying.

    So there.

    that it’s all Yak’s fault? Hah,

  123. sliderule says:

    Healy ripping into Hall is so CBC.

    That whole group other than Friedman hate the oilers.

    Healy should have pointed out that a mature coach would have just pretended nothing happened when he got a spray of water.

    When your getting the crap kicked out of you you should hope that your plays are expressing emotion.

    Eakins is way over his head and has to go as soon as possible.

  124. book¡je says:

    Shouldn’t the assistants at least have been fired half a season ago?

    I mean, if that’s the next step, get it done.

    I missed the game tonight. I am curious about the Hall incident.

  125. cadooo says:

    Lowetide:
    Just a quick note on language, folks. Please refrain from being vulgar on the off chance a lady drops in.

    Why did I have to watch the movie Hard Eight for the first time today? This post by Lowetide seems like something the main character Sydney would write .

  126. "Steve Smith" says:

    book¡je,

    I’m curious about what Scrivens said in the post-game; it sounds less depressing.

  127. Lowetide says:

    oliveoilers: Sorry, my bad.I’ll take that one.Good night everyone.

    No worries, it was funny. I’m just old fashioned when it comes to that word.

  128. Andy P says:

    book¡je:
    Shouldn’t the assistants at least have been fired half a season ago?

    I mean, if that’s the next step, get it done.

    I missed the game tonight.I am curious about the Hall incident.

    Seems Hall threw his water bottle and sprayed Eakins, who then had words with Hall.

  129. stevezie says:

    G Money:
    So – bets on the coach for next year?

    I see Trotz and Nelson have already been floated.

    Any others?

    I still think they’ll stick with Eakins, only because they don’t want to change again, but if there is a move, I don’t suppose they’ll go back to another unproven guy, so Trotz would have the edge.

  130. Younger Oil says:

    sliderule:
    Healy ripping into Hall is so CBC.

    That whole group other than Friedman hate the oilers.

    Healy should have pointed outthat a mature coach would have just pretended nothing happened when he got a spray of water.

    When your getting the crap kicked out of you you should hope that your plays are expressing emotion.

    Eakins is way over his head andhas to go as soon as possible.

    IMO they weren’t criticizing Hall as much for the water bottle incident, they were mostly criticizing him because he doesn’t backcheck, which I don’t think can be denied by anyone. He refuses to take a stride past the red line going back.

    Bottom line, they need to blow up this team, at all levels. It just isn’t working.

  131. LMHF#1 says:

    The argument to keep Eakins because they haven’t kept other coaches is irrational.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_costs

  132. stevezie says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    book¡je,

    I’m curious about what Scrivens said in the post-game; it sounds less depressing.

    I’m watching him on youtube right now. He said the logo is scared, has been worn by the Gretzky’s and Kurris, has been worn by Joey Moss and other unsung heroes, and he finds it personally disheartening (and was clearly being genuine) that the jersey would get tossed.

    Went in to say the team is moving in a positive direction, this is one game, and as for the doubters, “Let them speculate what they want.”

    He is clearly emotional.

  133. icecastles says:

    LMHF#1: How many times this season has Eakins said something like “everything was going fine”?

    This has troubled me too, along with his comment about how they had been playing so well of late. As has been mentioned here more than once, they’ve been playing roughly the same, and getting greatly improved goaltending. I’m hoping he sees this and is just trying to present a positive angle and not throw his team under the bus. Either way though, he seems to blame the losses on ‘mistakes’ all too easily, as if these are independent of the systems employed or the players’ ability/willingness to implement these systems. Not a probative sign.

    sliderule: Healy should have pointed out that a mature coach would have just pretended nothing happened when he got a spray of water.
    When your getting the crap kicked out of you you should hope that your plays are expressing emotion.

    I’m confused: is showing emotion good or bad? Kind of seems like if Eakins shows emotion, it’s immature. If he doesn’t show emotion, he’s a robot. Both criticisms have been leveled against him, sometimes at the same time. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. That said, I do agree that he needed to keep it in check there. For Hall to be pissed is one thing. But the coach needs to be able to calm the waters, especially in games like this.

  134. Oilanderp says:

    Younger Oil:
    You know it’s not a good night when you find yourself agreeing with Healy.

    HAHAHAHA yeppers, I thought to myself, ‘Sweet gentle cripes, I just agreed with Healy!’

  135. icecastles says:

    Oilanderp: Younger Oil:
    You know it’s not a good night when you find yourself agreeing with Healy.
    HAHAHAHA yeppers, I thought to myself, ‘Sweet gentle cripes, I just agreed with Healy!’

    Thankfully CBC still has Don Cherry, Kevin Weekes and PJ Stock to ensure a healthy dosage of nonsense. If all four of these guys say something intelligent on the same night, I’m fairly certain that the earth’s poles will reverse and the apocalypse will be upon us.

  136. Ribs says:

    … That’s a video one.

  137. flyfish1168 says:

    The most frustrating thing will be Monday back at work when we have to face all these f-in Phlegm fans. What excuse will I use. Beside we have more cups, at least we were in the SCF not that long ago compared to you guys. Please help.

  138. icecastles says:

    flyfish1168,

    That’s an easy one: Calgary is so badly managed they can’t even tank properly. Doomed to an eternity of mediocrity where they aren’t even bad enough to eventually get good again.

    Plus they’re the only team in pro sports with the word “lame” as part of their name.

    Plus… Brian Burke.

  139. justDOit says:

    Ribs:
    Scrivens interview… http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=583523&catid=4

    Even if a rock hit Scrivens on the head, and he forgot how to goal-tend, I hope that he would stay on as offishel question answerer for the club.

  140. flyfish1168 says:

    icecastles: flyfish1168, That’s an easy one: Calgary is so badly managed they can’t even tank properly. Doomed to an eternity of mediocrity where they aren’t even bad enough to eventually get good again.Plus they’re the only team in pro sports with the word “lame” as part of their name.Plus… Brian Burke.

    Lame I like that .

    I always say retooling is just another form of rebuilding and they are afraid to admit it until we said it.

  141. Oilanderp says:

    icecastles: Thankfully CBC still has Don Cherry, Kevin Weekes and PJ Stock to ensure a healthy dosage of nonsense. If all four of these guys say something intelligent on the same night, I’m fairly certain that the earth’s poles will reverse and the apocalypse will be upon us.

    Unfortunately we will need a grittier more truculent apocalypse than pole shift to get us out of that contingency: http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-poleReversal.html

    On a related but equally inconsequential note, then sun’s magnetic poles have recently shifted: http://rt.com/news/sun-upside-down-flip-990/

    In these links you will find absolutely no mention of the Oilers.

  142. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Great night to host a dinner party!

    Haha.

    Amazing night. I tuned in briefly after the Petry goal and thought, crap… we’re going to win. boy was I excited to tune in later and see the magic unfold!

    This magic loss is a godsend. Not only does it help the tank battle, it shoves this BS “we’re getting it lately” narrative down Eakins/MacT’s throat.

    No… we’re just a very poorly constructed team and you need to know that. And you need to not have delusions about it. An embarrassing night like this can bring perspective… the only problem is “too much fucking perspective!” where you end up dropping useful players like flies just cause.

    Still, great night.

    Sucks that OKC lost though.

  143. unca miltie says:

    flyfish1168:
    The most frustrating thing will be Monday back at work when we have to face all these f-in Phlegm fans. What excuse will I use. Beside we have more cups, at least we were in the SCF not that long ago compared to you guys. Please help.

    How does this sound. The 50/50 funds raised at the game went to the Red Cross for flood relief in Southern Alberta. The Oiler players donated in the only way they could with lots of goals.

    fyi, I got a text from my co-worker flames fan before I even got home from the game

  144. gcw_rocks says:

    The Edmonton oilers, masters at tanking since 2010.

    If this loss doesn’t have Katz questioning his decision to retain Lowe and hire MacT then he is getting exactly the kind of hockey he deserves. To bad the rest of us need to suffer for it though.

    What a clown show.

  145. cabbiesmacker says:

    icecastles:
    flyfish1168,

    That’s an easy one: Calgary is so badly managed they can’t even tank properly. Doomed to an eternity of mediocrity where they aren’t even bad enough to eventually get good again.

    This is delusional thinking but easy to understand considering the team you cheer for and their record of futility for 8 years.

    Yes, the Flames should go 30th, 30th, 29th, 24th and 29th, setting themselves up for three #1 OV’s because……that’s how winning hockey teams are built. Just look at that star studded Oiler team and all the success they’re having.

    Unfortunately Oiler management is so poor they actually believe in this rebuild model. It’s hilarious.

    I doubt any other team could step up to the podium and pick as high as the Oilers have the past few years and fuck it up as badly. That is a locker room with zero leadership and zero character and it all falls on management who couldn’t find a toothpick in a rainforest.

  146. cabbiesmacker says:

    flyfish1168: Lame I like that .

    I always say retooling is just another form of rebuilding and they are afraid to admit ituntil we said it.

    Right now the Flames are a better hockey team than the Oilers and are likely to be for some time yet. And they’ve accomplished that “feat” with what goaltending and star players and first overalls?

    The Flames outwork the Oilers in every single area. There’s something to be said for that and again it points fingers right square at Oiler management. The absolute worst in the entire NHL.

  147. cabbiesmacker says:

    stevezie: I’m watching him on youtube right now. He said the logo is scared,

    Who wouldn’t be scared wearing that logo…. being that shitty……in a small city….with rabid fans…

    I’d be scared just going out in public.

  148. cabbiesmacker says:

    stevezie: I still think they’ll stick with Eakins, only because they don’t want to change again, but if there is a move, I don’t suppose they’ll go back to another unproven guy, so Trotz would have the edge.

    It’s the Oilers. Of course they’ll stick with the worst HC they’ve had since Quinn.

    Or maybe Bucky is ready for the big time.

  149. dangilitis says:

    http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Western/Pacific/Edmonton.html

    Someone needs to show this to the entire Oilers organization.

    If the Oilers miraculously win 14 of a possible 20 points to close out the year against some of the league’s best teams, they will still have an 85% chance of finishing either 3rd or 4th worst.

    If they respectably get 10 pts, they will have a 95% chance of 2nd or 3rd worst.

    If they tank and get 4 out of a possible 20 points, they will have a 97% chance of 2nd worst.

    That’s not a lot of draft position difference for 3 markedly different ends to the season.

    So they better bring it every period from here on in, because they have already made their point about how much they can suck.

  150. stevezie says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    Normally I feel shame at my many typos, but I’m pretty happy with how that one worked out.

  151. icecastles says:

    cabbiesmacker: This is delusional thinking

    I prefer the term “tongue in cheek” or “humour,” but to each their own.

  152. commonfan14 says:

    cabbiesmacker: Right now the Flames are a better hockey team than the Oilers and are likely to be for some time yet. And they’ve accomplished that “feat” with what goaltending and star players and first overalls?

    Despite all the noise about them being so hard working and tough to play against, the Flames are currently in 26th place. Let’s not confuse anything that happened tonight with them being good.

  153. Hammers says:

    Thank God . I missed this game . This aint heaven but must look lie Hell to McT / Lowe oh yea Eakins as well . Sounds like a shit show .

  154. HiddenDarts says:

    I got lucky. I missed this one. But I think we have to all stay strong, hope MacT was watching, and go from there. This was a mega-shitshow, and sometimes you have to feel that.

    Remember that the Oil have done this to the Hawks several times, and then those Hawks fans had to deal with winning two cups.

    It’s not alright. It’s not ok. How about we hang in there?

  155. PunjabiOil says:

    Despite all the noise about them being so hard working and tough to play against, the Flames are currently in 26th place. Let’s not confuse anything that happened tonight with them being good

    Furthermore, they’ve missed the playoffs for 5 consecutive years. Likely will be at least 7 after the upcoming years.

    Last year, they won a series of meaningless games at the end, missing out on elite difference makers in Jones or Drouin. I’m still not convinced on Sean Monahan.

    This year they too, might miss out on the big 4. And the guy helping them do so in a big way (Cammalleri) might not be back next year..

    _____________

    I’m firmly in the camp that the Oilers biggest prospect is lack of NHL defencemen. They have Petry and Marincin. The rest of them are either kids learning on the job, or veterans post apex.

    Klefbom another half a season in the AHL. Nurse back to the OHL. Ference ideally traded (even if salary retained). Schultz potentially traded for an upgrade. They have alot of work to do there. There is no reason for the Oilers to keep their 2015 1st and 2nd round picks.

    There just isn’t.

  156. bendelson says:

    HiddenDarts,

    Agreed. We need to give the professor time to properly study the many problems before we can expect him to solve their many mysteries and resurrect this fledgling franchise.

    #smartestmanintheroom

  157. VanOil says:

    Lessons learned tonight:

    Beating down Calgary this time last year was a pyrrhic victory.

    Water on the Bosses suit is the only thing that has ever inspired Acton to say a peep behind the bench.

    Plums thinks Gadzook is a wimp, the rest of the league doesn’t, and Oilers fans wonder if he can play hockey.

    Hall cares. Healy thinks that makes him a prima donna. It makes him a SUPER Star.

    Scrivens is smarter than you.

    Screw Wayne Gretzky, he left us, no one should ever throw an Oilers sweater on the ice again because it insults Joey Moss. A valid reason.

    We should fire Eakins and keep Smith and Bucky because that has worked so far.

    The Deutschland Dangler, The German Cowboy, The man with Smyty’s stick will now be an Oiler.

    Free Elliott Friedman really should become a thing. He works with idiots.

    The saddest thing about signing Fraser to a long term NHL deal is that we would miss Woodguy’s insightful commentary. Mind you the split will be epic because Fraser is an Oiler4Life.

    After losing to Buffalo and Calgary you know the Oilers will beat San Jose Tuesday just to mess with us.

  158. cabbiesmacker says:

    commonfan14: Despite all the noise about them being so hard working and tough to play against, the Flames are currently in 26th place.Let’s not confuse anything that happened tonight with them being good.

    And despite three first overall picks the Oilers are in 29th.

    No confusion there at all.

  159. hags9k says:

    flyfish1168:
    I believe the players have quit on Eakins

    I think you are wrong. To quit on a coach you have to have at some point bought in.

  160. hags9k says:

    Well LT your stand back 9-0,0-9 prediction was bang on.

  161. danny says:

    Why did the Oilers post game interview cut off with an oilers logo as soon as Hall started replying to a question about him and Eakins?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhbE44FtgdI&feature=player_embedded

    It has to be coincidence because no org is dumb enough to try to avoid controversy by cutting an interview in half as soon as the guy starts talking about a controversial topic.

    Right?

  162. Woodguy says:

    sliderule:
    Woodguy,

    Did your family have the lumber yardin Spruce Grove?

    Nope. That’s just a coincidence.

  163. anonymous says:

    Eakins is as clear cut of a mistake as any coaching hire in the NHL, maybe ever. Sticking with him for continuity is asinine. Bucky and Smith isn’t continuity?

    The whole oilers organization is broken. Any other team would have cleaned house years ago. I’m hoping that now it’s Hall taking Eakins egomaniacal bullshit instead of Yak maybe something changes.

    Worst coach ever! Worst management ever!

    Really who keeps assistants through five head coaches, losing coaches? No team in any professional sport ever. I’ve checked, even though I was fairly sure I didn’t need to.

  164. Woodguy says:

    G Money:
    Is there a stat for pulling the chute and/or lollygagging?

    Yes.

    Its not Corgis.

    Its Badgers.

  165. sliderule says:

    icecastles,

    All Eakins had to do was wipe the water off and change his jacket.

    Five minutes later in the room he could have chewed Halls ass off or better yet ignored it.

    Coaches that yell at players are like dogs that chase cars.

  166. theres oil in virginia says:

    Woodguy: Yes.

    Its not Corgis.

    Its Badgers.

    Careful, you’re flirting with an internet meme “…so foul, so cruel, that no man yet has fought with it and lived! Bones of full fifty men lie strewn about its lair! So, brave knights, if you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further, for death awaits you all with nasty, big, pointy teeth…”

  167. godot10 says:

    Ribs:
    Eakins way too calm right now.

    There is no water on his suit at the moment. You know. He gets angry when things are important, you know, like when there is water on $2000 suit or when the dumb assistant coach hands him the wrong kind of Sharpie to use on a whiteboard.

  168. book¡je says:

    danny:
    Why did the Oilers post game interview cut off with an oilers logo as soon as Hall started replying to a question about him and Eakins?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhbE44FtgdI&feature=player_embedded

    It has to be coincidence because no org is dumb enough to try to avoid controversy by cutting an interview in half as soon as the guy starts talking about a controversial topic.

    Right?

    The full interview on CBC showed him totally defusing the situation saying how great his relationship was with Eakins and how it was a non incident. Not sure why the oilers wouldn’t show it.

  169. DeadmanWaking says:

    cadooo: Hard Eight

    That’s a nice little movie, under a title imposed on Anderson by the studio. Anderson wanted “Sydney” which might be better, but wouldn’t have done anything for the box office, which was rather paltry at just $220,000 domestic. I guess all the movie goers were stuffed into an adjoining theatre parsing Michael Bay’s proto IE of male adolescence: !Kblooe.

    Actually, it turns out Bay didn’t release anything in 1997. He was in between Independence Day and Armageddon. My bad.

    In any case, our glorious franchise is right now at the point where Will Smith says “Wekkom to Earf”.

    Despite the splashback tonight, I still don’t think Eakins is the main problem.

    Well, things could be worse. Superman Lives with Nicholas Cage cast as Superman almost went into production that very year.

    Introduction for Kickstarter Campaign for Documentary about Superman Lives

    This was going to be written by Kevin Smith and directed by Tim Burton. However they got themselves involved in this, I’m still not thinking the problem with this idea resided in the men behind the bench.

    I think the main problem tonight was Dynaguy, Thunderhead, Stratogale, Meta Man, and Splashdown getting their capes in a snit.

    —-

    Here’s the complete list after I guessed wrong about Edna’s diction on two names: Apogee, Blazestone, Dynaguy, Downburst, Elastigirl, Everseer, Frozone, Gamma Jack, Gazerbeam, Hypershock, Macroburst, Meta Man, Mr. Incredible, The Phylange, Plasmabolt, Psycwave, Splashdown, Stormicide, Stratogale, Thunderhead, Universal Man.

    Clearly Gazerbeam is Gagner and Eberle is Everseer. That’s their usual puck-watching defensive posture.

    On a different team from a different era, The Phylange would be Larry Robinson. The closest we have to that right now must be Marincin. Maybe he’ll grow a wag.

    Lander is staking a claim on Universal Man.

    Perron would be Psycwave. Yak would be Plasmabolt. Gadzic must be Thunderhead. Professor Scrivens would be Meta Man.

    This is silly, but let’s continue.

    By style and tradition, I think Jultz is Stratogale and Petry is Elastigirl (her superpowers are vastly underrated by the Transformer set). If Gordon is Mr Incredible, Hall must be Splashdown, and RNH must be Dynaguy.

    Nobody on this roster seems like Apogee. Must have traded that one away. Steve Smacroburst is also MIA. Arcobello is Gamma Jack, cause Gamma Jack ain’t coming back. Jones has a headlock on Frozone.

    Blazestone must be someone from the JFJ family tree. Pitlick seems to be the obvious incumbent. Let’s hope not. That leaves Smytty as Downburst (his primary speed change), Hendricks as Hypershock, and Belov as Stormicide. Nothing left for Ference. He must be The Phylange mini-me off the ice.

    That about covers it.

    Too many capers.

    —-

    Actually, I didn’t pay much attention to game day today. I’ve lost interest in this particular string. We watched Paris, Texas instead, about a man who disappears into the wilderness for four years, then struggles to return to normal life. He takes a very long road.

    Nastassja Kinski has acted in many movies, but only a few are critically regarded.

    Opinion differs about whether she’s any good in this role. What Kevin Spacey said about American Beauty is that there’s no point where you see his character, Lester Burnham, making a big character change. It’s all incremental. I thought Kinski pulled off the difficult task of not making it entirely clear the exact moment when she figures out who she is really speaking with. Even better, I don’t think there is an exact moment. That part of her brain is running a little behind the repressed emotions the story is dredging up.

    I have yet to see Tess, regarded as one of her best roles.

    Because Hardy.

    The Mayor of Casterbridge nearly did me in back in high school, a book entirely concerned with social nuances about which no teenager gives a rat’s ass.

    That story crescendos with a Charivari. This is where members of the community beat pots and pans to express disapproval concerning violation of The Code–generally The Marriage Code (they had fewer athletes in those days). At fourteen my attitude to The Code was “kill me now”. It hasn’t change much since. We’re still too much busybodies about who’s zooming who. That’s not my particular sleep disturbance.

    As a result, I’ve “watched” Kinski play Susie the Bear in a full-body bear suit–how’s that for playing out of position?–but I’ve never seen her in Tess. This kind of thing, along with Madam Bovary and Age of Innocence I can only handle about once every five years. Good movies–if well spaced. (While we’re dissecting hair shirts, somehow I’d be okay with the Cameron Diaz from Being John Malkovich playing a bear. Don’t ask me why. Zebra’s prerogative.)

    Some fanatic named Jeremy Richey actually loved the bear:

    I was recently accused of saying every film that Nastassja Kinski made was great, and this is simply not the case if you go back and read my reviews. However I do find her to be almost always exceptional, and her work as Susie The Bear is some of her best to my eyes. She is asked to do the impossible here, namely to make you believe that she thinks she is so hideous that she should hide inside a bear costume. Kinski delivers on this completely, and gives the most fragile but cutting work of her career.

    So that was the other problem with our team tonight. Not enough bear suits. Or too many bear suits. Or both.

  170. hags9k says:

    This is silly, but let’s continue.

    That you Daryl?

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