FLAMES AT OILERS, G72 13-14

The Edmonton Oilers can catch a few teams before the end of the season. The question is should they? I believe the Oilers have to stand and deliver at some point, and now is as good a time as any.

  • Through December 27: 39, 12-24-3
  • Since December 28: 32, 13-13-6
  • Last 10: 5-3-2
  • Overall: 71, 25-37-9

standings mar 22

Edmonton has 11 games left, and can catch all of Florida, NY Islanders and Calgary. If all teams perform in their next 10 the way they have recently, Edmonton would pass Florida and the Islanders. The only way they catch these teams? Scrivens/Fasth have be Parent/Hasek, the skill required to win the possession game just isn’t there. Edmonton will play Calgary tonight, and will get outshot. Book it. That’s a very large problem and it hasn’t been fixed this season.

FACEOFFS

  1. Boyd Gordon 57.4 (1311)
  2. Mark Arcobello 51.0 (404)
  3. Sam Gagner 45.8 (828)
  4. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 42.4 (1086)

While we’re putting together the summer ‘to do’ list, it might be a plan to get Boyd Gordon some help. Mark Arcobello showing up again in a good spot.

KEEPERS

I used to play this game as a kid, probably because there was an expansion draft every two years and there was another time when two teams did merge. If we ask ourselves to list the absolute locks for this team (in our collective opinion) how many are there?

  1. Ben Scrivens
  2. Viktor Fasth
  3. Justin Schultz
  4. Jeff Petry
  5. Andrew Ference
  6. Martin Marincin
  7. Oscar Klefbom
  8. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  9. Boyd Gordon
  10. Taylor Hall
  11. David Perron
  12. Matt Hendricks
  13. Jordan Eberle
  14. Nail Yakupov

That’s my list, you might feel there’s a player who shouldn’t be on the list (or one added) but the 14th guy for me (Hendricks) has done enough to earn a spot as a role player next season. It’s also worth noting how many of these players are either too young to be in their prime or too old—very few peak players, which is typical for bad hockey teams. I remain hopeful the Oilers will sign Ryan Smyth to play LW next year on the 4line.

WILL MACT BLOW IT UP?

Part of me wonders if Craig MacTavish will turn over a bunch of the roster this summer. If he’s going to pursue a button down team (and let’s face it, he coached an EV juggernaut and Eakins looks like the same guy) maybe he trades away some of the skill in exchange for the sure things? Something to ponder.

ACQUIRING ACTUAL NHL DEFENSEMEN

We always talk about the Oilers going out and getting a defenseman who is established and young enough to hang around for a long time, but NHL teams don’t trade those guys often. In fact, the Oilers have traded more away in recent seasons (Smid, Gilbert) than they’ve acquired. I’m not saying Jeff Petry is heading out of town, but have to wonder at this point if the Oilers value Petry at a level equal to his ability.

Petry is RFA this season and will be looking for a significant raise. Oilers have often stepped off at this exact point (Cogliano, etc) in the relationship.

RELEASE THE HOUNDS!

low and mact corsi

I stole this from Dellow awhile back, he did all the work to go back and find the season over season Corsi for MacT’s teams (with the rebuild beginning in 2006-07 very obvious). I would link to the article, but couldn’t find it on Tyler’s site. He does talk about Corsi% Proxies of the past here. I don’t like stealing stuff without linking, but credit is due Tyler because this is the good stuff here.

What do these numbers tell us? Glen Sather, Ron Low, Kevin Lowe and Craig MacTavish had established and sustained an era where they could push the river (at least to a draw) with a budget that was trumped pretty much everywhere. At the time, I remember being frustrated by it, struck by a sense of the Oilers plight being unfair. Now, I feel my team has taken advantage of the tanking loophole for half a decade and are overundersidewaysdown.

If MacT has to cash Eberle and Yakupov and Schultz and some of these other kids to get back to 52.6% Corsi%, then release the hounds.

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  1. Logan91 says:

    I just don’t see Eberle being traded, but I can see Yak and Schultz being traded as a part of a package for a true number 1 D

  2. flyfish1168 says:

    G.M. LT and everyone. excellent article as always. I like your list of 14. But I will comment on one player. As much as our captain brings to the table I believe he is under performing in his playing role. what he brings to the locker room and community appears to be top notch. But unfortunately we are playing Andrew to far up the lineup. I see him more of a 3rd pairing and an occasional 2nd pairing. Unfortunate but good teams wouldn’t play him as much as we have too.

  3. Lowetide says:

    I think with Ference the rookie coach and GM wanted their guy and someone with vast experience. imo that was a good bet, and at this point maybe they make Hall an “A” full stop. Ference as a player has been exposed, but I’m not sure what level defenseman it would take to push the river with these Oilers.

  4. Manitoba Oilers says:

    My keeper list is almost the Same except no Ference

  5. Captain Smarmy says:

    Eberle and Yak gone? Yick.

  6. RexLibris says:

    I don’t think we have enough information on MacTavish to be able to predict all that much with certainty.

    Most of his moves have surprised, though perhaps some of this is due to the long years of trade-torpor under Tambellini. However, at this point the only thing I can say with any confidence is that I believe MacTavish has a distinct plan for this team and will move decisively to push the roster in the direction he sees fit.

    Sacred cows? Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, Perron, Scrivens, Fasth, Nurse, and maybe Klefbom. Suspect everyone else is on the table.

    The Yakupov to Buffalo for their Islanders pick has been discussed here.

    As I see it, you have two possible options: Eberle for Couturier or Yakupov for a pick that is either Ekblad or Reinhart/Draisaitl. 2C is a problem and what Gagner is doing today will hopefully only serve to increase his value for the draft. I think even MacTavish has seen enough of Gagner to know that he can’t stick with this group for another season.

  7. sliderule says:

    If you feel that you have to trade for the mythical number one D the logical candidates are Eberle or Perron.
    Yak or Klefbom /Marincin won’t get a Coburn.
    This team is not exactly scoring a lot so no matter what forward that would be sent away scoring will be a problem.
    The best solution is to draft one of the centres and let and hope the young defenders mature fast.

  8. flyfish1168 says:

    RexLibris:
    I don’t think we have enough information on MacTavish to be able to predict all that much with certainty.

    Most of his moves have surprised, though perhaps some of this is due to the long years of trade-torpor under Tambellini. However, at this point the only thing I can say with any confidence is that I believe MacTavish has a distinct plan for this team and will move decisively to push the roster in the direction he sees fit.

    Sacred cows? Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, Perron, Scrivens, Fasth, Nurse, and maybe Klefbom. Suspect everyone else is on the table.

    The Yakupov to Buffalo for their Islanders pick has been discussed here.

    As I see it, you have two possible options: Eberle for Couturier or Yakupov for a pick that is either Ekblad or Reinhart/Draisaitl. 2C is a problem and what Gagner is doing today will hopefully only serve to increase his value for the draft. I think even MacTavish has seen enough of Gagner to know that he can’t stick with this group for another season.

    I would like to see, Eberle or Yak be traded and then move Gagner to the the 2nd line rw postion to be the second center on that line. Hope fully his value increases and then give us a list of teams he wants to be traded too next summer. this would be contingent with us picking up a center either in the draft, trade or both.

  9. denny33 says:

    Strikes me as a fairly long list of keepers on a team that sits 29th in the NHL and, incredibly, lost to 30th place Buffalo.

    In particular, J. Schultz, J. Petry and Andrew Ference have played a key role in this team giving up an astounding 228 goals against. ( Buffalo has given up 206)

    Our goaltending is much improved, but I am not sure that D corps does not still give up
    50, or 60 shots per night to the San Jose’s and LA’s next year.

    Yes, I know it is one game but…..it strikes me that Dallas Eakin’s is really, really not getting a lot out of our players.

    Taylor Hall dominated for sure…but anyone else stand out against a Buffalo team that might lose a lot of games to AHL teams?

    Strictly talking effort – the difference between an Eakins team and a Bob Hartley team is night and day.

    Yet, except for some reason , Dallas gets a pass by most in here for non x and o’s work of a coach.

    Easy to get up against St. Louis and LA and Pitsburgh…not sure how well the team is prepared for the worst teams in the league. ( Calgary, Buffalo, Florida et al )

    Willing to bet a lot of money Mac T – really, really changes the core of this team in the summer.

  10. frjohnk says:

    Down the stretch the oilers play,
    Flames 1x
    Sharks 2x
    Ducks 3x
    Kings 1x
    Rangers 1x
    Coyotes 1x
    Canucks 1x
    Avalanche 1x

    Yep, that’s a death march. Maybe they can get one win out 6 from the California teams.

    I suggest they will go 3-7-1 in this stretch ending up 28-44-10 for 66 points in 29th place.

  11. Gret99zky says:

    Hey guys, do you think all the trade Yak talk lately has been Eastern media guys stirring the pot or could it be Yak’s agent trying to get him onto another team as long as Eakins is behind the bench?

    I don’t see the positive in having a strong finish in the last 10 games of a lost season. Except to squander a better draft pick and give management excuses for not cutting dead weight during the summer.

    I believe Hall needs to be made captain asap. It’s his goddamn team. Anyone can see it. Give him the C so he can call guys out and lead by example.

  12. denny33 says:

    flyfish1168,

    I would like to see, Eberle or Yak be traded and then move Gagner to the the 2nd line rw postion to be the second center on that line. Hope fully his value increases and then give us a list of teams he wants to be traded too next summer. this would be contingent with us picking up a center either in the draft, trade or both.
    *****************************************************************************************
    Said for a long time the two worst defensive centre’s in the game were Cody Hodgson and Sam Gagner.

    Broadcast crew reported Ted Nolan recently tried to throwing Hodgson on the wing as well…good luck Ted. Unfortunately players like Hodgson and Gagner cannot be hiddens so easily.

    Problem – wingers are expected to be able to get the puck out of their own end against their wall.
    Sam Gagner on the wall is like my sister at the squat rack….funny.

  13. flyfish1168 says:

    Sam Gagner on the wall is like my sister at the squat rack….funny.

    Funny I’m trying to picture this. I agree. I’m hoping for 1.25 on the dollar with this move.
    I also would rather move Eberle if we need to move one of the rw. I watch Evgeny Kuznetsov in his last couple of games and I keep wondering what would Yak look like 3.5 yrs post draft.

  14. frjohnk says:

    We NEED two top pairing Dman more than we need a second line center.

    There is less of a gap between a healthy Gagner and the second line center we want compared to the gap between our Dman and a number 1 and number 2 Dman. This would do wonders for this team. More than adding a 2nd line center would.

    If we can get two top pairing Dman, maybe one using Petry and this years top pick in a package, and another through free agency, would be nice as we wouldn’t have to touch the core.

  15. WeirsBeard says:

    Don’t understand the 89 to wing talk. His defensive deficiencies are mental/effort rather than limitations of his position or his size. If he isn’t willing to be in the right spot, it doesn’t matter, the puck will be there and he won’t.

    Long list of keepers there. Have to mostly agree. Would think of moving Klefbom for more of a sure thing though, even say a Staios type. Then wait for Nurse, Simpson, etc

    As to tonight, win all the games you can. Always. Especially against the (spits) Flames.

  16. WeirsBeard says:

    Also, if MacT is able to craft the team in his image, but has Hall, Nuge et al. they should be golden right? Finally have the finish that those 90s teams could never afford.

  17. Hammers says:

    LT the problem with your list is there are 5 “D” there on a 29th place team . Not saying there is potential in Schultz , Marincin & Klefbom but there is still a learning curve . For me all 3 could stay with a more talented partner . I think Petry has been our best “D” over the year but he is probably the one traded in an upgrade package . Not fair maybe but true .Petry & Gags for Myers or a Campbell in Flo . McT should be focusing on the bottom 8-9 teams to trade with as they all have a decent defenceman or at least 1 better than any of ours .

  18. Cameron says:

    RexLibris,

    “As I see it, you have two possible options: Eberle for Couturier or Yakupov for a pick that is either Ekblad or Reinhart/Draisaitl. 2C is a problem and what Gagner is doing today will hopefully only serve to increase his value for the draft. I think even MacTavish has seen enough of Gagner to know that he can’t stick with this group for another season.”

    The problem with Eberle for Couturier is that while it satisfies a deep burning need for the Oilers it isn’t actually helping the Flyers. Philly has good two way wingers with size in hand (Hartnell, Simmonds, Voracek, Schenn, etc.), and adding an Eberle to the mix doesn’t make any sense (In LT language, it unbalances their roster). They might do a Couturier deal for J.Schultz though, because defense is an area where Philly has a deficit a young puck rusher could fill.

    I could see Yakupov being traded for a high pick though, especially to the New York area (where there is a large Russian community).

    I could see the Oilers making a trade with Philly for Scott Laughton. He isn’t anything but a good looking prospect right now, but the kid is a ‘Sutter-type’ who can win face-offs and play dirty.

    And he wouldn’t cost you one of the core.

  19. FastOil says:

    I see the best way to move forward as through free agency. If they can sign a few vets and put players in appropriate roles the team would look completely different. Give those who need it time to mature.

    There are 30 UFA defense and 26 centres. Surely they can sign a couple of guys out of those groups and make the team better.

    If they can’t get quality signings they will have to deal to improve much unless there are hard to imagine improvements from 4-5 players.

    I am hoping that sorting out the goaltending will go a long way to enticing vet players. It is fair to say to a player now that the team has a viable playoff chance with a little shoring up which they would of course provide. I don’t know that anyone would buy that before with Dubnyk and whoever in net.

    Jussi Jokinen would be a good add moved back to centre. Skater shows good corsi at C (2011 50%, 2012 52.2%, he’s killing it this year at 54.6% but at wing with Malkin) and face off percentage (2011 55.2%, 2012 57.9%, taken 177 this year at 50.8%). If the Pens don’t go all the way I wonder if second line C minutes entices him?

    I’d go with something like:
    Jokinen Hall Eberle
    RNH Yak Perron
    Gordon Hendricks Gagner
    Lander Smyth Lucic

    No Jokinen isn’t a top flight option at 1C but I think ‘right now’ with so much more experience, the ability to win face offs and physical strength can provide a year or two of space for RNH if they can’t get a legit vet 1C. Pay him 5 x 3 which is a good raise and reasonable for a top 6 guy. He is also Finnish which is essential to winning.

    If Lander is let go and Jones is signed my head will explode. Lander has 6 + points in him.

  20. Thinker says:

    I’d like to see us target moulson, and penner in the offseason for the wings. Michalek and hemsky are nice options too.
    Stasny would look good down the middle. Move gagner for some kind of number 4 dman.
    If we are drafting we should take reinhart, I’m always nervous when a player who is highly ranked has grit as his biggest attribute (draisaitl),
    Maybe Ekblad, but I would never openly condone drafting a dman in the top ten. The ufa list is pretty thin on d. Andrej mezaros, orpik, quincey…? Defence will likely remain weak. Nurse needs more time, and Klefbom probably needs at least another half year.

    I would try to plug holes as much as possible this summer. Maybe something like.

    Hall Stasny Yakupov

    Moulson rnh Eberle

    Perron Reinhart/Draisaitl Penner

    Winnik Gordon Lander

    Gazdic(I guess)

    Orpik Shultz

    Marincin Petry

    Mezaros Quincey

    Ferrence

    Scrivens
    Fasth(or other)

    Thats asking a lot though, MacT couldn’t possibly sign ten guys.

  21. oliveoilers says:

    Yak and Eberle for the Toronto Marlies, both current and ex. It will happen. Book it. Because “I just don’t know enough about him.” (Eakins in ‘OilChange’, ref trade for non-Marlies scumbag.)

  22. rickithebear says:

    WeirsBeard:
    Don’t understand the 89 to wing talk. His defensive deficiencies are mental/effort rather than limitations of his position or his size. If he isn’t willing to be in the right spot, it doesn’t matter, the puck will be there and he won’t.

    Long list of keepers there. Have to mostly agree. Would think of moving Klefbom for more of a sure thing though, even say a Staios type. Then wait for Nurse, Simpson, etc

    As to tonight, win all the games you can. Always. Especially against the (spits) Flames.

    the kid is 20 years old!

    Age iin NHL
    Keith22yr
    Seabrook 20 yr
    Hjarlmasson 22yr
    Chara 21 yr
    Suter 21 yr
    Muzzin 23 yr
    Gorges 23 yr
    OEL 18 yr.

  23. Glock9 says:

    oliveoilers:
    Yak and Eberle for the Toronto Marlies, both current and ex.It will happen.Book it.Because “I just don’t know enough about him.” (Eakins in ‘OilChange’, ref trade for non-Marlies scumbag.)

    Unfortunately MacT is giving eekins way too much input on the build of this team and it scares the hell out of me and I just don’t understand what MacT sees. Eekins wasn’t a good hockey player and his coaching record is no Gem.

    2005-06 Toronto Marlies AHL Assistant
    2006-07 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL Assistant
    2007-08 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL Assistant
    2009-10 Toronto Marlies AHL Head 80 33 35 0 12 0.488 Out of Playoffs
    2010-11 Toronto Marlies AHL Head 80 37 32 0 11 0.531 Out of Playoffs
    2011-12 Toronto Marlies AHL Head 76 44 24 0 8 0.632 Lost in Finals
    2012-13 Toronto Marlies AHL Head 76 43 23 0 10 0.632 Lost in round 2

  24. WeirsBeard says:

    rickithebear: the kid is20 years old!

    Age iin NHL
    Keith22yr
    Seabrook 20 yr
    Hjarlmasson22yr
    Chara 21 yr
    Suter 21 yr
    Muzzin 23 yr
    Gorges 23 yr
    OEL 18 yr.

    I think he should be a good one too. I am just thinking how to shift up the timeline, as opposed to breaking in so many D at once. Amongst the young D, he is the one you move I think, they should have the best idea on his ceiling at this point. Maybe what you’re saying is aim higher?

  25. BeerLeagueHero says:

    Cameron,

    I agree with you but with that said, if the flyers slip on another banana peel this playoffs, changes will be in store. Ed Snider is insane, he’ll do whatever it takes. So a Couturier and Simmonds to Edmonton for Eberle and Schultz might be something that interests him. Toss in a sweetener, hell maybe Gagner, and there’s a lot to like there.

    But I think it would be a mistake for the Oilers to deal J.Schultz. They went to a lot of trouble to convince him to sign in Edmonton. The Alumni that busted their asses to meet up with him wouldn’t be so happy if Mac-T decided to cut bait so early in his career.

    Laughton would be a great addition to the Oilers organization though and would relieve the team of having to actually draft a guy like that.

    I just read that Mike Richards is practicing on the 4th line in LA. Does anybody think that with Lombardi’s interest in Gagner that a package deal could be put in place to get Richards to Edmonton?

  26. Woodguy says:

    The only way they catch these teams? Scrivens/Fasth have be Parent/Hasek, the skill required to win the possession game just isn’t there. Edmonton will play Calgary tonight, and will get outshot. Book it. That’s a very large problem and it hasn’t been fixed this season.

    That’s the truth, Ruth.

    I was giggling at the all the amazing narratives that TSN had built around the OIlers when they showed the BUF game on Thursday.

    “Oilers finally playing the way that Eakins wants them to”

    “Oilers finally gelling as a group and playing for each other”

    “Oiler’s finally working hard without the puck”

    etc, etc.

    The only narrative that actually was correct was the

    “OIlers 30th in SV% before Scrivens arrived and 1st in SV% since Scrivens arrived”

    That is the sole reason their record is better.

    Goaltending eh? Its everything when you don’t have it, and can cover a roadhouse at 2am on Saturday night worth of sins when you do have it.

    Here is the opponents Fenwick in the last 10 Oiler games, contrasted with that opponents Fenwick (either home or road, whatever is applicable) for the year. Data courtesy of http://www.extraskater.com

    Fenwick is the shot attempts that are not blocked on their way to the net. They correlate slightly better than Corsi to scoring chances.

    (if the result is a positive number, then that team out performed their season average by that amount in the game vs the Oilers. Negative and they under performed by that amount)

    BUF 45.3% – 41.8% = +3.5%
    NSH 51.8% – 48.6% = +3.6%
    CAR 50.5% – 50.3% = +0.2%
    DET 61.4% – 53.2% = +8.2%
    STL 61.8% – 54.6% = +7.2^%
    MIN 58.7% – 51.4% = +7.3%
    LAK 62.1% – 52.4% = +5.8%
    NYI 53.7% – 48.1% = +5.6%
    OTT 58.2% – 49.2% = +9.0%
    CAL 55.4% – 48.1% = +7.3%

    Boy, that a few different kinds of ugly isn’t it?

    Except for CAR, every team, including CAL and BUF, see EDM as a free spot on the Fenwick Bingo Card.

    This team is not close to being good.

    Not by a mile.

  27. WeirsBeard says:

    Woodguy:
    The only way they catch these teams? Scrivens/Fasth have be Parent/Hasek, the skill required to win the possession game just isn’t there. Edmonton will play Calgary tonight, and will get outshot. Book it. That’s a very large problem and it hasn’t been fixed this season.

    That’s the truth, Ruth.

    I was giggling at the all the amazing narratives that TSN had built around the OIlers when they showed the BUF game on Thursday.

    “Oilers finally playing the way that Eakins wants them to”

    “Oilers finally gelling as a group and playing for each other”

    “Oiler’s finally working hard without the puck”

    etc, etc.

    The only narrative that actually was correct was the

    “OIlers 30th in SV% before Scrivens arrived and 1st in SV% since Scrivens arrived”

    That is the sole reason their record is better.

    Goaltending eh?Its everything when you don’t have it, and can cover a roadhouse at 2am on Saturday night worth of sins when you do have it.

    Here is the opponents Fenwick in the last 10 Oiler games, contrasted with that opponents Fenwick (either home or road, whatever is applicable) for the year.Data courtesy of http://www.extraskater.com

    Fenwick is the shot attempts that are not blocked on their way to the net.They correlate slightly better than Corsi to scoring chances.

    (if the result is a positive number, then that team out performed their season average by that amount in the game vs the Oilers.Negative and they under performed by that amount)

    BUF 45.3% – 41.8% = +3.5%
    NSH 51.8% – 48.6% = +3.6%
    CAR 50.5% – 50.3% = +0.2%
    DET 61.4% – 53.2% = +8.2%
    STL 61.8% – 54.6% = +7.2^%
    MIN 58.7% – 51.4% = +7.3%
    LAK 62.1% – 52.4% = +5.8%
    NYI 53.7% – 48.1% = +5.6%
    OTT 58.2% – 49.2% = +9.0%
    CAL 55.4% – 48.1% = +7.3%

    Boy, that a few different kinds of ugly isn’t it?

    Except for CAR, every team, including CAL and BUF, see EDM as a free spot on the Fenwick Bingo Card.

    This team is not close to being good.

    Not by a mile.

    So you are saying the Oil need to block more shots?

  28. FastOil says:

    Woodguy:
    The only way they catch these teams? Scrivens/Fasth have be Parent/Hasek, the skill required to win the possession game just isn’t there. Edmonton will play Calgary tonight, and will get outshot. Book it. That’s a very large problem and it hasn’t been fixed this season.

    That’s the truth, Ruth.

    I was giggling at the all the amazing narratives that TSN had built around the OIlers when they showed the BUF game on Thursday.

    “Oilers finally playing the way that Eakins wants them to”

    “Oilers finally gelling as a group and playing for each other”

    “Oiler’s finally working hard without the puck”

    etc, etc.

    The only narrative that actually was correct was the

    “OIlers 30th in SV% before Scrivens arrived and 1st in SV% since Scrivens arrived”

    That is the sole reason their record is better.

    Goaltending eh?Its everything when you don’t have it, and can cover a roadhouse at 2am on Saturday night worth of sins when you do have it.

    Here is the opponents Fenwick in the last 10 Oiler games, contrasted with that opponents Fenwick (either home or road, whatever is applicable) for the year.Data courtesy of http://www.extraskater.com

    Fenwick is the shot attempts that are not blocked on their way to the net.They correlate slightly better than Corsi to scoring chances.

    (if the result is a positive number, then that team out performed their season average by that amount in the game vs the Oilers.Negative and they under performed by that amount)

    BUF 45.3% – 41.8% = +3.5%
    NSH 51.8% – 48.6% = +3.6%
    CAR 50.5% – 50.3% = +0.2%
    DET 61.4% – 53.2% = +8.2%
    STL 61.8% – 54.6% = +7.2^%
    MIN 58.7% – 51.4% = +7.3%
    LAK 62.1% – 52.4% = +5.8%
    NYI 53.7% – 48.1% = +5.6%
    OTT 58.2% – 49.2% = +9.0%
    CAL 55.4% – 48.1% = +7.3%

    Boy, that a few different kinds of ugly isn’t it?

    Except for CAR, every team, including CAL and BUF, see EDM as a free spot on the Fenwick Bingo Card.

    This team is not close to being good.

    Not by a mile.

    No it isn’t good but it is only this bad because the major issues have mostly not been addressed for whatever reason.

    Just as good teams are more than the sum of their parts the opposite holds true for bad teams. A few competent experienced players changes everything and allows the young talent to play in appropriate places. Even second tier players would turn the tide, there is enough skill.

    It’s exciting and frightening waiting for something to happen. I don’t trust them as of yet because of the erratic and contradictory moves they have made even with a few good ones.

  29. Hammers says:

    Woodguy:
    The only way they catch these teams? Scrivens/Fasth have be Parent/Hasek, the skill required to win the possession game just isn’t there. Edmonton will play Calgary tonight, and will get outshot. Book it. That’s a very large problem and it hasn’t been fixed this season.

    That’s the truth, Ruth.

    I was giggling at the all the amazing narratives that TSN had built around the OIlers when they showed the BUF game on Thursday.

    “Oilers finally playing the way that Eakins wants them to”

    “Oilers finally gelling as a group and playing for each other”

    “Oiler’s finally working hard without the puck”

    etc, etc.

    The only narrative that actually was correct was the

    “OIlers 30th in SV% before Scrivens arrived and 1st in SV% since Scrivens arrived”

    That is the sole reason their record is better.

    Goaltending eh?Its everything when you don’t have it, and can cover a roadhouse at 2am on Saturday night worth of sins when you do have it.

    Here is the opponents Fenwick in the last 10 Oiler games, contrasted with that opponents Fenwick (either home or road, whatever is applicable) for the year.Data courtesy of http://www.extraskater.com

    Fenwick is the shot attempts that are not blocked on their way to the net.They correlate slightly better than Corsi to scoring chances.

    (if the result is a positive number, then that team out performed their season average by that amount in the game vs the Oilers.Negative and they under performed by that amount)

    BUF 45.3% – 41.8% = +3.5%
    NSH 51.8% – 48.6% = +3.6%
    CAR 50.5% – 50.3% = +0.2%
    DET 61.4% – 53.2% = +8.2%
    STL 61.8% – 54.6% = +7.2^%
    MIN 58.7% – 51.4% = +7.3%
    LAK 62.1% – 52.4% = +5.8%
    NYI 53.7% – 48.1% = +5.6%
    OTT 58.2% – 49.2% = +9.0%
    CAL 55.4% – 48.1% = +7.3%

    Boy, that a few different kinds of ugly isn’t it?

    Except for CAR, every team, including CAL and BUF, see EDM as a free spot on the Fenwick Bingo Card.

    This team is not close to being good.

    Not by a mile.

    That’s why the list LT put up will be cut back by at least 3 players all via trade .Klef back to OKL , Petry & Gags traded and 1 of Perron , Ebs or Yak traded ( Love Perron but he could get you a good “D” or “C” if a player was added )

  30. hoser313 says:

    Petry:

    Can’t think of a player more deserving of a raise. The team needs more Petrys not less.

    What’s more the kid was throwing elbows in the last St. Louis game.

  31. Caramel Obvious says:

    Woodguy,

    I have to agree. I’ve been a big supporter of Eakins/Mac T but the results simply aren’t there.

    That said it is important to note that this is not a regression. The team was this bad last year too.

    You can’t move forward unless you know where you’ve been. That means acknowledging that Eberle, Hopkins, and Yakupov have not regressed under Eakins. They were never as good as some thought.

    So firing the coach isn’t going to magically return them to past glories that never were.

  32. Woodguy says:

    WeirsBeard,

    Don’t understand the 89 to wing talk. His defensive deficiencies are mental/effort rather than limitations of his position or his size. If he isn’t willing to be in the right spot, it doesn’t matter, the puck will be there and he won’t.

    Three main reasons:

    1) The defensive instincts and ability needed in a NHL C seem to be beyond him, as you mention. Wingers have a 1/10th of defensive responsibility of a C. They can fly the zone early, be last back and only have a smaller, less important portion of the dzone to cover. His board work would need to improve.

    2) He has offensive ability and sublime passing ability. That has worth. More worth than he gets on the trade market right now.

    3) I figured that put in the same position, Gagner could probably produce at least 90% of Eberle’s production. Maybe more. Eberle probably fetches 4 times what Gagner would on the trade market.

    Add all that up and if you want to improve the team, you don’t flush Gagner for garbage back, but trade Eberle for an Actual HIgher End NHL Player.

  33. FastOil says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    Woodguy,

    I have to agree.I’ve been a big supporter of Eakins/Mac T but the results simply aren’t there.

    That said it is important to note that this is not a regression.The team was this bad last year too.

    You can’t move forward unless you know where you’ve been.That means acknowledging that Eberle, Hopkins, and Yakupov have not regressed under Eakins.They were never as good as some thought.

    So firing the coach isn’t going to magically return them to past glories that never were.

    I would say they are talented players on a terrible team as opposed to never as good as some thought.

    They aren’t ready for toughs and shouldn’t be asked to play them. Yak and Eberle are not rounded players at least yet and like many wingers should be put in the best situation to succeed. With only one fully functioning NHL centre and maybe 2 D with Marincin that is hard to do.

  34. Woodguy says:

    test

  35. Woodguy says:

    Here’s the Oiler’s Fen For/60, Fen Against/60, Fen % and NHL rank on Fen% over the last 5 years.

    2013/2014 35.9 45.1 44.3 28th
    2012/2013 36.5 44.9 45.1 28th
    2011/2012 37.8 41.4 47.8 25th
    2010/2011 36.0 42.9 45.6 28th
    2009/2010 38.7 46.6 45.4 30th

    Takes the air out of the “Eakins wrecked the Oilers, Krueger was awesome!” balloon.

  36. FastOil says:

    Woodguy:
    Here’s the Oiler’s Fen For/60, Fen Against/60, Fen % and NHL rank on Fen% over the last 5 years.

    2013/201435.945.144.328th
    2012/201336.544.945.128th
    2011/201237.841.447.825th
    2010/201136.042.945.628th
    2009/201038.746.645.430th

    Takes the air out of the “Eakins wrecked the Oilers, Krueger was awesome!” balloon.

    Thanks for doing that, Kreuger crushes get irritating.

    Play lots of rookies and move out NHL players doesn’t seem like a good plan.

  37. Rondo says:

    Woodguy,

    By trying to fit the evidence into a presumed narrative, you will bias your judgment of the facts.

  38. hunter1909 says:

    Will MacT blow it up?

    Do you mean the MacT who’s gone on record stating the 100% opposite?

    Eakins makes me want to puke my stomach out, he’s just not capable of coaching at NHL level, and I’m pretty sure he’s a goner by next year because he’s too dumb to change his mulish persona and therefore he’s another opening season horrible start away from being shown the door.

    MacT for his flaws doesn’t strike me as a mealy mouthed liar who says he’s keeping his skill kids then flushes them away asap. Of course he still needs to cover for Eakins, which makes the thinking man worry.

    He’s better served sitting pat with the hand he’s been dealt, imo. Lots and lots of talent coming up the pipeline. A smart GM would keep hold of these talents, until he’s got a chance to evaluate them properly.

  39. Woodguy says:

    Rondo:
    Woodguy,

    By trying to fit theevidence into a presumed narrative, you will bias your judgment of the facts.

    There are a lot of assumptions in your statement.

    Be clear on what you think my narrative is.

    And if you are going to take a run at me, back up why I’m wrong or don’t bother.

    Edit:

    You may be refering to the TSN narratives.

    If so, then I look like an asshole and apologize, but it reads like you think I’m bending stats to my advantage.

    Which I may be, but back it up and show me why I’m wrong.

  40. icecastles says:

    Rondo: By trying to fit the evidence into a presumed narrative, you will bias your judgment of the facts.

    This may be the first time I’ve seen someone criticize the use of facts while arguing against bias.

    hunter1909: Eakins makes me want to puke my stomach out

    You may want to find a distraction from hockey then… Bad coaching or bad hockey are frustrating… they should never be sickness-inducing.

    Perspective man, perspective. It’s entertainment, not the Gulag.

  41. MarcN says:

    Being that the Islanders are in full tank mode and going to be awful again next year no matter what and the have to give up their 1st rounder this year or next (likely this year), what would it take in addition the Oilers pick for that Tavares guy? He can’t be thrilled with where this is heading.

  42. Bad Seed says:

    MarcN,

    I can’t imagine being traded to Edm would thrill him either.

  43. Marcus Oilerius says:

    MarcN:
    Being that the Islanders are in full tank mode and going to be awful again next year no matter what and the have to give up their 1st rounder this year or next (likely this year), what would it take in addition the Oilers pick for that Tavares guy?He can’t be thrilled with where this is heading.

    Nuge+Yak+1st round, probably.

  44. MarcN says:

    Marcus Oilerius,

    Marcus Oilerius: Nuge+Yak+1st round, probably.

    I was hoping to replace nuge with gagner

  45. icecastles says:

    MarcN: I was hoping to replace nuge with gagner

    And I’m hoping to replace Steve MacIntyre with John Teows. You know, since we’re in the realm of insane fantasy here.

  46. OilClog says:

    Woodguy:
    Here’s the Oiler’s Fen For/60, Fen Against/60, Fen % and NHL rank on Fen% over the last 5 years.

    2013/201435.945.144.328th
    2012/201336.544.945.128th
    2011/201237.841.447.825th
    2010/201136.042.945.628th
    2009/201038.746.645.430th

    Takes the air out of the “Eakins wrecked the Oilers, Krueger was awesome!” balloon.

    No, no it doesnt

  47. sliderule says:

    Woodguy,

    Forgive me if I have this wrong but Hall,Nuge ,Eberle and Perron have seen their Corsi drop from 5 to 6 percent from last year.They all had positive Corsi numbers and are now in mid forties

    Perron came from another team but the only difference for the first three is a new coach and system.

  48. Woodguy says:

    OilClog: No, no it doesnt

    What an exceptionally detailed statement.

    Can you be more brief next time and leave out all that info?

    Your post reads like a phone book!

  49. Woodguy says:

    sliderule:
    Woodguy,

    Forgive me if I have this wrong but Hall,Nuge ,Eberle and Perron have seen their Corsi drop from 5 to 6 percent from last year.They all had positive Corsi numbers and are now in mid forties

    Perron came from another team but the only difference for the first three is a new coach and system.

    That is true.

    I’m looking at the overall for the team in this instance.

    It is very close to last year and Renney’s first year.

    I looked at all WC teams to see how they moved compared to last year (when they played WC teams only):

    Los Angeles -0.1
    Chicago +0.6
    San Jose +3.1
    St. Louis 0
    Dallas +4.5
    Vancouver +0.5
    Winnipeg +0.9 (played only EC last year)
    Anaheim +1.6
    Phoenix -0.9
    Nashville +1.8
    Minnesota -0.8
    Calgary 0
    Colorado +1.2
    Edmonton -0.8

    The average team improved .8, and the median team improved .5, so you could argue that EDM is slightly worse than it looks.

    Its still not so far off to cry for St. Krueger though. They were awful last year too.

  50. Kitchener says:

    Bohologo:

    There has been a great deal of disappointment and disagreement among us (even shared by those who hailed the Vancouver and Florida examples as the hallmarks of genius), but can we agree on at least one thing?

    That is: I hate the Flames, so very much.

    Yes. Tonight, my inner debate of “win now or lose for draft position” is completely shut off. I can’t stand losing to Calgary. Go Oilers!!

  51. Cameron says:

    BeerLeagueHero,

    “I agree with you but with that said, if the flyers slip on another banana peel this playoffs, changes will be in store. Ed Snider is insane, he’ll do whatever it takes. So a Couturier and Simmonds to Edmonton for Eberle and Schultz might be something that interests him. Toss in a sweetener, hell maybe Gagner, and there’s a lot to like there.”

    I think the Flyers had their nosedive in the first 20 games of the year when nobody could score, the goaltending was atrocious, etc. Since then they’ve replaced a coach, made some small but effective trades, and moved back into a playoff spot.

    So if they lay an egg in the playoffs (especially against Pitt), I don’t think it will mean wholesale changes in the players, but rather that Holmstrom gets canned and Hextall parachuted in to take over.

    Keep in mind too that the off-season acquisition of Lecavalier to be the #2 C makes a tonne more sense if you believe (as I do) that part of his role is to mentor Couturier into taking over the #2 slot.

    Say what you will about the Flyers, but their team has balance up and down the roster (with some notable weak spots on the aging D-corps and the perpetual question marks in net).

    In short, I think that while Couturier is a great fit for the Oilers, there isn’t much on the Oilers that makes for a great fit on the Flyers.

  52. sliderule says:

    Woodguy,

    I am looking for a ray of sunshine here ,so, I cannot believe that our four top scorers could have regressed so much in one year without the new coach having a big part in it.

    If it can be established that Eakins is the reason for the big drop in possession for our best players then Mact has to replace the whole bunch.

  53. prairieschooner says:

    So If I am reading things correctly
    The Oilers are at least as bad as last season just a different kind of bad

  54. icecastles says:

    prairieschooner: The Oilers are at least as bad as last season just a different kind of bad

    I believe what Woodguy is saying (and I agree with him) is that while the Oilers are marginally worse this season, once you factor in extenuating circumstances (injury; goaltending-induced confidence issues; no 3-month ‘training camp’ for the top lines) and consider how bad they also were last season, it makes it hard to defend the narrative that Kreuger was significantly a better coach.

    I’m amazed at how short some memories are in fandom. Last year one of the big knocks on Kreuger was that if his big strength was supposed to be as a motivational speaker, how come they were so fragile and lackadaisical so often last year? Yet this year, I’m hearing revisionist history about missing the drive and motivation the team showed under Kreuger. I’m guessing that many of the people who cling to this narrative are the same people who think everyone else’s job is better and easier than theirs. The grass is always greener.

    In a half-length season where the Oilers’s key players (Hall, Nuge, Eberle, Schultz, etc) had the massive advantage of starting the NHL season in mid-season form. The impact of this is hard to overstate: they were playing teams that were out of sync and out of shape, and still losing regularly. furthermore, they rode some unsustainable powerplay shooting percentages, they still finished among the worst teams in the league. The narrative that they were a much better team under Kreuger is just not supported by careful analysis.

    It may have been a mistake to get rid of Ralph Kreuger. But saying the team was improved under him in a meaningful way and would have built on (or even maintained) that this season through ugly injuries and uglier goaltending is fanciful thinking.

    It’s possible, but it’s speculation; not fact.

  55. fifthcartel says:

    Cameron,

    Agreed, I think they would move Schenn before Couturier for defense or winger help.

  56. Bank Shot says:

    Is anyone actively pining for Krueger?

    The issue at hand here is no longer how good Krueger was, it’s that Eakins has clearly been worse.

    Eakins has a team that looked better on paper, had an easier schedule, and almost perfect health and is getting worse results

  57. gcw_rocks says:

    Klefbom wouldn’t be on my list. With Marincin’s showing and Nurse coming up behind him, Klefbom is one asset I would sacrifice.

    I would love to lose Ference, but I don’t think that’s possible.

    Over the summer I would go hard at Kulimen, Winnik, and Moss, and off I could snag two them for reasonable rates, Hendricks would also gone.

    Arcobello would be on my list. A guy who can play up and down the roster and won’t be making that much money priceless.

  58. Woodguy says:

    sliderule:
    Woodguy,

    I am looking for a ray of sunshine here ,so, I cannot believe that our four top scorers could have regressed so much in one yearwithout the new coach havinga big part in it.

    If it can be established thatEakins is the reason for the big drop in possession for our best players then Mact has to replace the whole bunch.

    After hearing Eakins talk about “loosening the reigns” on Hall and how Hall “took the teachings a little too far”, I think they recognize that they need to let him do his thing when he has the puck.

    Tyler identified an significant increase on the tip-in, dump ins when Hall was on the ice compared to last year.

    The coach’s verbal leads me to believe they’ll dial it back with Hall on the ice.

    Its interesting to note that Hall’s CF% for the year is 44.6% (ugh), but in these last 10 games its been 48.4%, and that’s in games where the team has been killed.

    If you remove the awful OTT game (Hall as 40.4) his average moves up to 49.8%.

    To me, that means Eakins is letting him do his thing more.

    RNH and Eberle haven’t played with Hall since before the Oly break.

    You get the sense that the coach and GM wants to know exactly what he has in these two players away from Hall.

    Eberle should scratch Hall a cheque every month for about half of what v3.0 signed him to imo.

  59. Cameron says:

    fifthcartel:
    Cameron,

    Agreed, I think they would move Schenn before Couturier for defense or winger help.

    Exactly, if they move a guy it’s Schenn, but it would be for a D-man as I don’t see how they need help on the wings.

    Would the Oilers do;

    —> Philly: J.Schultz + 1st

    —> Edm: Laughton, B.Schenn

    ?

  60. icecastles says:

    Bank Shot: Eakins has a team that looked better on paper, had an easier schedule, and almost perfect health

    Goaltending that was orders of magnitude worse than last year.
    No Nuge.
    No Horcoff.
    Gagner gone the first month or so.
    No Hall for a brief spell.

    At the end of November, Oilers had lost the most man-games to injury of any team in the NHL and it wasn’t close.

    Tell me again about this better team with perfect health?

    One of the narratives going into last year’s shortened season was that the Oilers had an advantage in the compressed schedule due to the youth of their players. Added to this, the majority of their guys were in mid-season form so the learning curve was reduced and fatigue was even less of a factor compared to teams that had been off work for seven months.

    Tell me again about the easier schedule? Sure the Western Conference is better. Does anyone seriously believe it’s THAT much better?

    Edit: Oilers man games lost to injury so far this season: 247. Not what I’d call “perfect health.”

  61. Woodguy says:

    Bank Shot,

    Is anyone actively pining for Krueger?

    Yes. Its annoying

    The issue at hand here is no longer how good Krueger was, it’s that Eakins has clearly been worse.

    Eakins has a team that looked better on paper, had an easier schedule, and almost perfect health and is getting worse results

    Phoenix’s Fenwick was worst change year over year in the WC.

    Is Dave Tippett clearly a worse coach than Dave Tippett?

    STL has a better roster this year (full year of Bouw etc.) and an easier schedule and their Fenwick is exactly the same as last year.

    Is Ken Hitchcock a worse coach than Ken Hitchock?

    Minnesota’s Fenwick is off the exact same as the Oilers with the same roster and an easier schedule.

    Is Mike Yeo a worse coach than Mike Yeo? (actually you can chaulk up a bunch of their Fenwick loss to losing Gilbert…..*ducks*)

    I’m being a dink, but you can say that using the year of year Fenwick.

  62. Woodguy says:

    Bank Shot,

    Eakins has a team that looked better on paper

    I think the D has been worse this year.

    When MacT traded Smid, it forced Eakins to use Ference as LHD in the tough comp pairing from then on until Marincin came like mana from heaven.

    It wasn’t right away that Marincin-Petry saw the toughs, but I think it only took 5 games or so.

    So for a big part of the year (after Smid trade) you had: (pairings in order of tough minutes)

    Ference-Petry
    Nultz – Jultz
    Flotsam-Jetsam

    Then you had:
    Ference – Jultz
    Belov – Petry
    Lordy – Gordy

    Now you have:
    Marincin-Petry
    Ference-Jultz
    Concrete-Rookie

    Nick Shultz really fell off a cliff this year too.

    Last year you had:

    Smid-Petry
    Nultz-Jultz
    Whitney-Potter/Fistric

    Whitney was done, but Potter and FIstric were reasonable hand drawn facsimiles of NHL Dmen.

    Also,

    Nultz wasn’t the trainwreck he was this year

    Nultz-Jultz last year 45.4%
    Nultz-Jultz this year 38.4%

    His WOWY’s weren’t good last year, this year was just a disaster.

    I really think a lot of what ails this team steams from the D.

    1) No top pairing quality D (Petry almost)
    2) Jultz batting far too high in the order for his ability
    3) Ference batting far too high in the order for his ability.

    If MacT really wants to improve the team then Ference-Jultz needs to be 3rd pairing by merit next year.

    There were times they were 1st pairing by merit this year.

    Lordy.

  63. nelson88 says:

    Woodguy: Eberle should scratch Hall a cheque every month for about half of what v3.0 signed him to imo.

    Very interested to see how the RNH – Lander- Ebs line does tonight. They looked good the last game they played together.

    I’m actually a fan of Yak so this is not a knock on the kid but he has been a line killer this year including his play with RNH and Eberle Yes, Hall is a great player and makes them both better but let’s not get carried away.

  64. godot10 says:

    Woodguy:
    RNH and Eberle haven’t played with Hall since before the Oly break.

    You get the sense that the coach and GM wants to know exactly what he has in these two players away from Hall.

    Eberle should scratch Hall a cheque every month for about half of what v3.0 signed him to imo.

    I think it is more rehabbing Gagner’s trade value by playing Hall (and Perron) with him, rather than keeping Hall away from Nugent-Hopkins and Eberle.

    Eberle’s contract is fair value now, and will be a bargain in two years. Look at the contracts Kessel and Perry and Semin signed. Perron is going to cost $7 million per season in two years.

  65. "Steve Smith" says:

    hoser313:
    Petry:

    Can’t think of a player more deserving of a raise. The team needs more Petrys not less.

    What’s more the kid was throwing elbows in the last St. Louis game.

    Yeah, but they were really soft elbows.

  66. Woodguy says:

    godot10,

    I think it is more rehabbing Gagner’s trade value by playing Hall (and Perron) with him, rather than keeping Hall away from Nugent-Hopkins and Eberle.

    Very possible.

    Could be both.

    Eberle’s contract is fair value now, and will be a bargain in two years. Look at the contracts Kessel and Perry and Semin signed. Perron is going to cost $7 million per season in two years.

    If he is truly a .77pts/gm player while playing the toughest minutes, then I agree he’s worth close to $6MM today.

    Eberle hasn’t played a regular shift with Hall since Feb 1st.

    He has 8pts in those 13 games (3 in the last gm vs NSH)

    That’s .61pts/gm and its not against the toughest comp.

    Minuscule sample I know, but that’s all I got right now.

    I used .77pts/gm because In the 117 games since his high SH% year he has 90pts which is .77pts/gm.

    Nice totals, he’s a good player.

    Will be a value contract in the future for sure, even away from Hall.

    Hall will be such a ridiculous bargain (already is, really) that one day I may forgive Tambellini for gutting the Dcorps based on just that one contract.

    Probably not though.

  67. book¡je says:

    No points Hensky, Dustin Brown injured again.

    What happens if the bet is tied?

  68. TheOtherJohn says:

    Gotta love Woodguy marathons!!

    Thinks about the positions he takes, checks his math, rechecks his math and then posts.

    We have a godawful D and absent Petry &, so far, Marincin no one can defend at an NHL level. I would think with the huge success that Marincin had after a year and a half of playing in AHL that Oilers might want to replicate that with Klefbom.

    Am resigned to seeing Klefbom, Nurse and Ekblad here next year because ……. Oilers

    There is nothing like getting beat by 30th place team missing 4-5 guys to stop the “team has turned corner”, “committed to defensive system”, “team has X number of points in last Y # of games” narrative.

    Need 2 top 4 D next year, a 2C and some big bodies that can play hockey. Too bad everyone in hockey is looking for that too. I’d seriously look at signing Gilbert and Penner because they can play hockey but, again, ……..Oilers

    I’d also love to get Couturier he would be a great add. But if I was Philly it would take an awful lot

  69. Woodguy says:

    book¡je:
    No points Hensky, Dustin Brown injured again.

    What happens if the bet is tied?

    Next time I’m on the Island DeeSF takes me to a great seafood joint.

    He’s buys the food, I buy the booze.

  70. G Money says:

    Woodguy: He has 8pts in those 13 games (3 in the last gm vs NSH)
    That’s .61pts/gm and its not against the toughest comp.
    Minuscule sample I know, but that’s all I got right now.

    My feeling for a while now has been that every one of our offensive players would post better point numbers with a better D behind them.

    For two reasons:

    - a good D means less time spent in the D zone (the regular twice-per-game two minute long periods hemmed into the D zone are just f*cking pathetic), which also usually leads to more and faster D zone exits which usually means better O zone entries = more shots, more chances, more points. In other words our current bad D doesn’t just mean more GA, it means fewer GF.

    - we desperately need a D with a bomb from the point. Somebody was assessing Eakins’ comment the other day that teams have taken away the cross-crease pass that was last years bread and butter. The thought was “OK, fine, but that should open something else up.” In my opinion, it *has* opened something else up – the shot from the point. Unfortunately, teams don’t fear the Oilers from the point. They’ll let us hammer (or rather pepper) shots from there all day, ’cause not many of them are going in.

    So in fairness to Eberle (and Hall and RNH and Yak), I think given a competent NHL D behind them, their actual nominal point pace will be quite a bit higher than what we see now, development of the youngsters notwithstanding.

    Since the Hemsky trade, my feeling that this is part of the Oiler dysfunction has gotten stronger.

  71. Woodguy says:

    TheOtherJohn,

    Thanks John.

    First time in a while I had some time on my hands, so I’m venting a bit.

    You said:

    Am resigned to seeing Klefbom, Nurse and Ekblad here next year because ……. Oilers

    I’d put my money on Nurse getting his 9 games and then going back to junior. If he blows the doors off then he stays, but he needs to kill it.

    If, (and that’s a huge if, many variables need to play out before you can start scratching his name on Oiler line ups) Ekblad is picked by the Oilers I put him going back to junior at almost 100%.

    MacTavish has been around the NHL a long time, he knows that young men rarely, save a Doughty or two, ever walk in and make a difference.

    He’s not Tambo.

    You can hide young forwards.

    You can’t hide Dmen.

  72. Bank Shot says:

    icecastles: Goaltending that was orders of magnitude worse than last year.
    No Nuge.
    No Horcoff.
    Gagner gone the first month or so.
    No Hall for a brief spell.

    At the end of November, Oilers had lost the most man-games to injury of any team in the NHL and it wasn’t close.

    Tell me again about this better team with perfect health?

    One of the narratives going into last year’s shortened season was that the Oilers had an advantage in the compressed schedule due to the youth of their players. Added to this, the majority of their guys were in mid-season form so the learning curve was reduced and fatigue was even less of a factor compared to teams that had been off work for seven months.

    Tell me again about the easier schedule? Sure the Western Conference is better. Does anyone seriously believe it’s THAT much better?

    Edit: Oilers man games lost to injury so far this season: 247. Not what I’d call “perfect health.”

    Nuge has missed like 2 games this year and 8 last season.
    Horcoff was replaced by Gordon who had been perfectly healthy. Horcoff missed a third of the last season.
    Hall missed 3 games last season which is probably about the same as this season in terms of % of season missed.
    Belanger missed half the season
    Hemsky was gone 20% of the season

    It’s really night and day comparing the injury situation this year compared to probably the last 5 seasons .Oilers usually miss 400+ man games with key players being out.

    I don’t care to debate a narrative about the benefits of young players playing during the lockout. It’s just opinion based.

    The west is stronger top to bottom and that is a fact.

    I’m not sure why anyone is bothering to defend Eakins. Can anyone actually come up with a reasonable argument for Eakins being better than Krueger?

    I sure can’t see improvement this season in ANY team or individual stat. Full stop.

  73. Woodguy says:

    G Money,

    - a good D means less time spent in the D zone (the regular twice-per-game two minute long periods hemmed into the D zone are just f*cking pathetic), which also usually leads to more and faster D zone exits which usually means better O zone entries = more shots, more chances, more points. In other words our current bad D doesn’t just mean more GA, it means fewer GF.

    This point can’t be stressed enough.

    Its everything.

    Leaving the zone with possession is everything.

    - we desperately need a D with a bomb from the point. Somebody was assessing Eakins’ comment the other day that teams have taken away the cross-crease pass that was last years bread and butter. The thought was “OK, fine, but that should open something else up.” In my opinion, it *has* opened something else up – the shot from the point. Unfortunately, teams don’t fear the Oilers from the point. They’ll let us hammer (or rather pepper) shots from there all day, ’cause not many of them are going in.

    Seems like he had a talk with Jultz since he started bombing them lately.

    Would like to see Marincin hammer a few too.

    So in fairness to Eberle (and Hall and RNH and Yak), I think given a competent NHL D behind them, their actual nominal point pace will be quite a bit higher than what we see now, development of the youngsters notwithstanding.
    Since the Hemsky trade, my feeling that this is part of the Oiler dysfunction has gotten stronger.

    That’s very fair.

    I think the D this year is the weakest yet based on who gets deployed where and against whom and this is a club that paid Strudwick, Foster and Barker on purpose.

  74. Andy P says:

    icecastles,

    icecastles,

    Also, don’t forget the positive impact of Todd Nelson’s coaching on the young core for the first half of Krueger’s season.

  75. Woodguy says:

    Bank Shot,

    I’m not sure why anyone is bothering to defend Eakins. Can anyone actually come up with a reasonable argument for Eakins being better than Krueger?
    I sure can’t see improvement this season in ANY team or individual stat. Full stop.

    I can’t argue with your post because you’re right.

    The narrative I’ve been railing against is “how much better the Oilers were under Krueger”

    They’re damn near the same with Hall falling off a cliff for a while.

    I think the D is worse this year though.

  76. Captain Smarmy says:

    Bank Shot:
    Is anyone actively pining for Krueger?

    The issue at hand here is no longer how good Krueger was, it’s that Eakins has clearly been worse.

    Eakins has a team that looked better on paper, had an easier schedule, and almost perfect health and is getting worse results

    Nobody serious or relevant is pining for Krueger. Although, there was a far stronger narrative that Krueger was completely incompetent and guys like Taylor Hall only succeeded because they didn’t listen to Krueger.

    I never saw the point of dumping one rookie NHL head coach for another and Dallas Eakins has taken what should of been a better team and gotten the same or worse results then Ralph.

    Woodguy gets pretty defensive when you start questioning some of his narratives. (And it is narrative when you start throwing terms like St. Krueger around).

    He’s seems to be a perfect counter to Godot posts. Not sure that’s what he was going for but there it is.

  77. Woodguy says:

    Captain Smarmy,

    Woodguy gets pretty defensive when you start questioning some of his narratives. (And it is narrative when you start throwing terms like St. Krueger around).

    He’s seems to be a perfect counter to Godot posts. Not sure that’s what he was going for but there it is.

    Apparently you didn’t read the post above yours.

    Please feel free to challenge my narratives directly.

  78. OilClog says:

    The thing about the whole is Eakins a better coach then Kruger arguement is this Woodguy.

    Present me some facts that are equal to eachother.

    First step is to recognize that all of Krugers coaching record is, unique and will never be done again.

    Let’s forget the No training camp, Ryan Whitney, Eric Belanger, and rookies.

    48 games all western opponents.

    Just give me Eakins pure numbers against the West.

    Eliminate all the Eastern games.

    Let’s compare how they stack up against eachother.

    Let’s completely forget all the progress our EYES have all seen, and now all SEE stepped backed. You can’t tell anyone regression hasn’t happened in a big way.

    Regardless show me Eakins numbers against just the west.

  79. spoiler says:

    Sam Reinhart and Kootenay Ice take on Jake Virtanen and the Hitmen at 7 pm on Shaw 10/303 (SD/HD).

  80. "Steve Smith" says:

    OilClog:
    The thing about the whole is Eakins a better coach then Kruger arguement is this Woodguy.

    Except that that is explicitly not the argument that WoodGuy is making.

  81. hoser313 says:

    “Steve Smith”: Yeah, but they were really soft elbows.

    :) Nice one.

  82. Ryan says:

    Woodguy,

    Woodguy, has there been anyone that’s done any analysis WRT the relative contribution of forwards vs dmen on corsi for %?

    My gut tells me that dmen play a bigger role than forwards on this metric, but I don’t have the volition to try to provide the supporting math :)

    One thing that’s curious to me is that under Kruger, while Hall / Nuge / Eberle all nearly floated + Corsi for %, there’s no dmen even close to 50.

    I mean how does an entire line of big minutes forwards stay in the black while there’s no dmen on the entire team close to 50%? That’s just weird.

  83. hoser313 says:

    Can’t we all just agree both coaches have had their issues.

    failed swarm, abysmal special teams, tired players, sub-optimal line combinations vs. failure to line match, defensive system where wingers eat cheeseburgers instead of engaging in puck battles.

    To give Eakins some credit, he has at least started adapting things that obviously weren’t working. There’s still a lot of work to do obviously.

  84. book¡je says:

    Bah, Krueger vs Eakins is akin to Calgary vs Edmonton.

  85. "Steve Smith" says:

    book¡je:
    Bah, Krueger vs Eakins is akin to Calgary vs Edmonton.

    Who’s Vancouver in this analogy? OTC? Because we need something to unify us all.

  86. Ryan says:

    hoser313,

    Arguing Eakins vs. Kruger is sort of like arguing whether a Vega is a better car than a Swift.

  87. Woodguy says:

    OilClog:
    The thing about the whole is Eakins a better coach then Kruger arguement is this Woodguy.

    Present me some facts that are equal to eachother.

    First step is to recognize that all of Krugers coaching record is, unique and will never be done again.

    Let’s forget the No training camp, Ryan Whitney, Eric Belanger, and rookies.

    48 games all western opponents.

    Just give me Eakins pure numbers against the West.

    Eliminate all the Eastern games.

    Let’s compare how they stack up against eachother.

    Let’s completely forget all the progress our EYES have all seen, and now all SEE stepped backed. You can’t tell anyone regression hasn’t happened in a big way.

    Regardless show me Eakins numbers against just the west.

    No.

    You show me all that.

    You can’t come in and tell me.

    “Here’s what I beleive, with no back up, just my opinion:

    “Go find the numbers to prove me wrong”

    I presented my case with information.

    You are free to tear that apart.

    I learn the most when someone does.

    But to spout your own narrative, without 1 whit supporting evidence, and to tell me to find the numbers to disprove it?

    Fuck you.

    Do it yourself.

  88. Woodguy says:

    "Steve Smith": Except that that is explicitly not the argument that WoodGuy is making.

    Reading comprehension FTW!

  89. Lowetide says:

    Ewanyk (Pinizzotto, Curtis Hamilton)

  90. Woodguy says:

    Ryan: Woodguy, has there been anyone that’s done any analysis WRT the relative contribution of forwards vs dmen on corsi for %?

    Yes.

    Steve Burtch at Pension Plan Puppets took a swipe at it.

    I think he did pretty good.

    I think he system over rates 3rd pairing Dmen, but I also may under rate them.

    Make sure to read all the links within the posts, there’s a lot of background to it.

    Here’s the first two posts I came across when looking for you.

    They may not be sequential, but I remember reading both and more.

    http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2013/7/29/4324054/sdi-v2-1-shut-down-index-2012-13-part-1

    http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2013/8/8/4582260/making-use-of-new-ideas-dcorsi

  91. Woodguy says:

    book¡je:
    Bah, Krueger vs Eakins is akin to Calgary vs Edmonton.

    The only difference I can tell between the two so far is Eakins answers questions directly and actually tells you what he’s trying to do, which leaves him open to be judged on those things.

    Krueger never got into those kind of details.

    Eakins is the best interview in the NHL among coaches to find out what they are actually thinking.

  92. VanOil says:

    frjohnk:
    We NEED two top pairing Dman more than we need a second line center.

    There is less of a gap between a healthy Gagner and thesecond line center we want compared to the gap between our Dman and a number 1 and number 2 Dman.This would do wonders for this team.More than adding a 2nd line center would.

    This

  93. Woodguy says:

    Ryan:
    hoser313,

    Arguing Eakins vs. Kruger is sort of like arguing whether a Vega is a better car than a Swift.

    Ha!

    Perfect summation of argument.

    Its the roster, not the coach(es)

  94. VanOil says:

    Woodguy: Next time I’m on the Island DeeSF takes me to a great seafood joint.

    He’s buys the food, I buy the booze.

    But who is dessert?

  95. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy: Eakins is the best interview in the NHL among coaches to find out what they are actually thinking.

    That got me thinking about how LAK’s head coach Sutter has been starting to go Hollywood recently. And he’s got a cup, while Eakins presides over the destruction of at least two first overall picks…just because Oilers.

  96. hunter1909 says:

    How they cannot imagine playing Gagner on the wing to enable him to play his quite brilliant game, when he’s floundering at centre.

    Maybe they just, ship him off to Chicago so they can once more make fools of themselves, after Blackhawks stick him back with Kane and he scores 75 points..

  97. G Money says:

    OilClog,
    Woodguy,

    Huh, I think that’s the first time I’ve seen someone clear an oil clog with a wood skewer.

  98. Woodguy says:

    VanOil: But who is dessert?

    Woodguy said:

    I buy the booze.

  99. Woodguy says:

    hunter1909:
    How they cannot imagine playing Gagner on the wing to enable him to play his quite brilliant game, when he’s floundering at centre.

    Maybe they just, ship him off to Chicago so they can once more make fools of themselves,after Blackhawks stick him back with Kane and he scores 75 points..

    I don’t get it.

    Arco took about 5 games to show he was better at the position.

    They could have run 3 scoring line.

    Instead Ryan Jones takes a regular shift.

    Man.

  100. G Money says:

    Ryan:
    Arguing Eakins vs. Kruger is sort of like arguing whether a Vega is a better car than a Swift.

    Nostalgia time!

    Back when I was a teenager, after much complaining from my sisters and I, my Dad *finally* agreed to buy a car for us to drive. He’d buy it, we would insure, gas, maintain it.

    So naturally, my Dad (math prof) and I being hyper-analytical types started researching everything we could about the best value, most reliable car.

    After a week, my Mom got irritated – couldn’t understand all this fuss over a car – so on her way back from work one day, she stopped in a used car lot and just bought one. Naturally, the salesman there kindly sold her the absolute best car on the lot, a bargain at full price – a Vega. A lime green Vega.

    F*ckin’ Citrusmobile (as in … lime coloured lemon) made it just over a year before that all-aluminum piece of dogmeat they called an engine needed a full ring and piston job to stay alive.

    We donated it somewhere (Kidney Foundation?). Poor sons of bitches. Hope they scrapped it.

  101. tcho says:

    Man. I was just checking out Toronto’s team 5×5 numbers over at extra skater. Even worse than the Oilers (CF% 43.1, FF% 42.5 vs. Edmonton’s CF% 44.5, FF% 44.5). I guess PDO can really make a huge dif? They’re ahead on that (101.6 to 99.5)

  102. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: I don’t get it.

    Arco took about 5 games to show he was better at the position.

    They could have run 3 scoring line.

    Instead Ryan Jones takes a regular shift.

    Man.

    The Arco thing imo has two story lines:

    1. He may not be a real NHL solution for a contending theam
    2. He is small

    HOWEVER, all the things he did in Edmonton are better than about 7 guys playing in Edmonton currently. So, yeah. He’s gone, and I hope he score 25 next season and becomes Ray Whitney.

  103. G Money says:

    tcho:
    Man. I was just checking out Toronto’s team 5×5 numbers over at extra skater. Even worse than the Oilers (CF% 43.1, FF% 42.5 vs. Edmonton’s CF% 44.5, FF% 44.5). I guess PDO can really make a huge dif? They’re ahead on that (101.6 to 99.5)

    Yup. Goaltending can make all the difference to a shitty team. Enough to get you into the playoffs in the East.

    Same thing with Colorado. Tyler D has dubbed them “Fraudorado”.

    If the Oilers have a hope of making the playoffs next year, it will be on the Colorado plan – all world goaltending from Scrivens and Fasth.

  104. tcho says:

    Lowetide,

    Amen re. Arco.

  105. VanOil says:

    I enjoy Crashed Ice in Quebec City more than the NHL hockey the Oilers subject me too.

  106. tcho says:

    G Money,

    It’s hard to imagine a combination of free agent signings, coaching and young player improvements that would push us up much more than 2% or so corsi/fenwick? Is that a fairly strong improvement year over year? (I’m a bit of a neophyte with the advanced stats). That would put us at 46.5. Then let’s say our PDO is awesome (Fasth/Scrivens playing the lights out) We still probably couldn’t get as good of a record as Toronto because we play in the W. Might put us close to contention…

    (I’m drinking beer and rambling here)

  107. justDOit says:

    G Money,

    I worked with a guy in the 80s, who had a Vega – with a 283 cid V8. Yeeeeeeee-HAAAAAA! (the HAAAA part came when it shifted into 2nd and started spinning the tires again). I should have died in that car.

  108. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Lowetidebecomes Ray Whitney.

    I remember when the Oilers traded Whitney to Florida, only to face him later that season and he’d already amassed 20+ goals. There was a pre-game interview with I think Ron Low was coach at the time, and he just said some grudging things about Whitney…

  109. DeadmanWaking says:

    Bank Shot: I sure can’t see improvement this season in ANY team or individual stat. Full stop.

    Coaches don’t produce results in just one at bat. It wasn’t fair to Krueger and it isn’t fair to Eakins, either. Like everyone else, coaches have to learn on the job by paring down their mistakes. The job is so hectic during the season, that a big chunk of this growth process can only occur over the summer break.

    The greater problem right now resides in the GM’s chair. In one year MacT made progress on goalies and our checking line. Other fronts remain a work in progress. We’ve had one season in recent memory where Smid-Petry kinda looked like a top pair. That alone could explain the majority of our long-established Fenwick deficit.

    The reason people gravitate toward blaming the coaching staff is that changing the coaching staff is the closest thing to sugar: a quick fix. Where’s the evidence that this team is merely a quick fix away from greatness?

    My perspective is that no coach alive is going to turn this group of defensemen into world-beaters faster than our youngest prospects mature. Perhaps our younger prospects will be a bit better in 2016-2017 under a different coach than Eakins. Right now I find this hard to judge.

    There are clearly superior coaches out there. These coaches already have jobs, mostly with good NHL teams, jobs far more attractive than relocating here.

    For every Hitchcock who is not on the open market, there’s a Tortorella who is. Correct me if I’m wrong if I suggest that Tortorella is not presently making Eakins look bad.

    Isn’t is surprising how often a quick fix has the opposite effect?

    My position at the beginning of the season was that we would only make the playoffs if Yak and Jultz both had Calder-eseque sophomore seasons.

    Neither rose bloomed.

    I have trouble blaming Eakins for Yak’s shooting percentage from falling back to earth from the low twenties.

    I have trouble blaming Eakins for Jultz playing over his head.

    The rest of the sideways statistics are the price one reasonably expects to pay in the first campaign after handing a neophyte the big whistle. You can hope for better, but you can’t expect it. Even if the new guy is the next Hitch.

  110. G Money says:

    tcho,

    It’s a good question. The general train of thought with respect to shot metrics is that they are relatively steady year to year (in comparison to goaltending and special teams, which can vary wildly and have equal impact on the game). So the shot metrics give you a truer reading of the effective skill level of a team better than even things like points and standings do.

    Think back to the San Jose game – according to the score, the Oilers dominated winning 3-0. The shot metrics of course were a wildly diferent story. Which one is more likely to assert itself over the course of the season?

    I’m not aware of any work that’s been done to try and deconstruct changes in shot rates from year to year and assign it down to specific factors like coaching changes or player changes.

    That task would be made even harder because even though e.g. Corsi is relatively “sticky” year to year, like every other measure, it’s also going to vary a fair bit year to year anyway. So you really can’t say for sure whether a specific change is for a specific reason, or if it’s just random variation.

    All we can say for sure is – this team needs some definite things to get better! My personal opinion is that just adding two NHL calibre D (in their prime, not past it a la Ference) would cause a substantial swing in both the Corsi For and Against.

    In other words, (my opinion is that) this team is far from being good, but not nearly as far as the shot metrics sometimes make us think.

    Also, when you say that you’re a neophyte with advanced stats – don’t trick yourself into thinking this stuff is rocket science. Ultimately, it’s all about shots. Think of it this this way:

    Goals < Chances < Shots < Fenwick < Corsi

    But they all measure more or less the same thing in the end, just with differences in methodology and sample size. If you can understand why shots matter, you can understand why Corsi or Fenwick matter!

    EDIT: Not sure whether whether drinking lots of beer helps or hurts understanding of advanced stats. This one definitely calls for more research.

  111. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide,

    HOWEVER, all the things he did in Edmonton are better than about 7 guys playing in Edmonton currently. So, yeah. He’s gone, and I hope he score 25 next season and becomes Ray Whitney.

    Yeah, that’s my point.

    They didn’t ice the best roster possible.

    Arco might not be a NHL player, but he’s better then *checks your post* about 7 guys on this roster.

  112. Marcus Oilerius says:

    How do Phaneuf and his partner not move little Brendan Gallagher from in front of the net? Good grief.

  113. Woodguy says:

    G Money: Nostalgia time!

    Back when I was a teenager, after much complaining from my sisters and I, my Dad *finally* agreed to buy a car for us to drive.He’d buy it, we would insure, gas, maintain it.

    So naturally, my Dad (math prof) and I being hyper-analytical types started researching everything we could about the best value, most reliable car.

    After a week, my Mom got irritated – couldn’t understand all this fuss over a car – so on her way back from work one day, she stopped in a used car lot and just bought one.Naturally, the salesman there kindly sold her the absolute best car on the lot, a bargain at full price – a Vega.A lime green Vega.

    F*ckin’ Citrusmobile (as in … lime coloured lemon) made it just over a year before that all-aluminum piece of dogmeat they called an engine needed a full ring and piston job to stay alive.

    We donated it somewhere (Kidney Foundation?).Poor sons of bitches.Hope they scrapped it.

    My Dad helped us (1 brother, 1 sister) each with our first car.

    Insurance was cheaper back than and affordable for a high school student with a job.

    He helped my sister by a brand newish used 1980 Honda Civic in 1980.

    He helped me buy the same car off my sister in 1987.

    One day he traded a bunch of extra 2×4′s for a Orange 78 Vega for my brother.

    My brother really got the shaft.

  114. G Money says:

    justDOit,

    Yikes! Well, at least the V8 would have made it worthwhile for a little bit. I had the shitty little I-4 (80 hp or something???).

    Although, like you, I suspect with a V8 in hand, I might not be alive today.

    The funny thing is, when I bought my own first car ever (240SX), the part that scared me the most was the 2.4L I-4 engine – shades of the Vega. Turned out to be a great little car.

    I’m pretty sure the Vega experience scarred me for life though. I’ve never owned a car older than 125K since then, topping the upgrade list with an NSX (which is still my summer ride, talk about a sweet machine … the ultimate anti-Vega).

  115. G Money says:

    Woodguy: One day he traded a bunch of extra 2×4′s for a Orange 78 Vega for my brother.
    My brother really got the shaft.

    Ha, wonder if they chose citrus colours on purpose!

  116. Ripoux says:

    Nurse having a solid playoff so far. 0-4-4-+3 in almost 2 games so far.

  117. sliderule says:

    Woodguy,

    Did your family have the lumber yard in Spruce Grove?

  118. justDOit says:

    Woo-hoo! The Bottle of Albeerda is ON!

    oKay

    Lets

    Out

    Work

    Em!

  119. justDOit says:

    G Money,

    And to think that there were rail cars specifically designed to transport the Vega. I think Chevy put more design time into shipment of those cars, than they did into the engine!

  120. G Money says:

    Ballet of Alberta!

    I’m fully on side for “Breaking Bad for Ekblad” or “Bad Piano Recital for Draisaitl” or whatever, but tonight is Calgary.

    Just win baby!

  121. G Money says:

    justDOit,

    Too funny!

    I think any time a team has a Corsi under 40% in a game, the game should be dubbed a Vega.

    (Presumably a 30% would be a Yugo and 20% a Trabant maybe)

  122. Lowetide says:

    alright, sumbitches. Rock it!

  123. G Money says:

    Ouch, butt end of the stick in the mouth. Gotta sting.

  124. justDOit says:

    G Money:
    justDOit,

    Too funny!

    I think any time a team has a Corsi under 40% in a game, the game should be dubbed a Vega.

    (Presumably a 30% would be a Yugo and 20% a Trabant maybe)

    I’d go with:

    40% – Mustang II (my first car – only slightly better than a Vega)

    30% – Vega

    20% – Lada

    10% – Yugo

    0% – Trabant

  125. Lowetide says:

    Petry (Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle)

  126. tcho says:

    And… on to the bourbon! Kirkland brand is pretty good actually (not that I’m a bourbon connoiseur).

    Goilers! *clapclap*

  127. G Money says:

    Nice PP goal!

    As I said in one of my earlier posts, one of the reasons the PP is struggling this year some nights is the lack of a big Souray-like shot from the point, which is open most games.

    But just having the point man put a good shot on net with traffic in front goes a long way to fixing that ill.

    justDOit,

    Works for me!

    Now we gotta get the Oilers to strive for the BMWs etc., but for now, a nice Camry would do fine!

  128. striatic says:

    Petry (Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle, Ryan Jones’ Butt)

  129. justDOit says:

    G Money,

    50% – 12 yr old Camry with 400,000 kms on it. Better than most new cars.

  130. G Money says:

    Petry (Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle, Ryan Jones’ Butt, Klefboms jaw)

  131. book¡je says:

    I don’t enjoy seeing the guy who got a concussion 3 weeks ago in a fight out there fighting.

  132. flyfish1168 says:

    Mmmmm not nice goal

  133. Lowetide says:

    Nice play by Lander there.

  134. flyfish1168 says:

    Think I heard Eberle on after hours

  135. sliderule says:

    That no call on Hall is horseshit.

    In an American city the roof would come off.

  136. art vandelay says:

    Goals < Chances < Shots < Fenwick < Corsi

    Goals < Wins < Stanley Cup

    /FTFY

  137. G Money says:

    sliderule,

    The announcers are trying to rationalize it by saying that Brodie touched the puck. I thought that was only relevant on a tripping call though. That wasn’t tripping, it was hooking (wrapping the stick around the other player impeding his progress) and the puck isn’t relevant? Anyone know the rules well enough to clarify?

  138. G Money says:

    art vandelay,

    Hi Art!

  139. Lowetide says:

    Klefbom is a keeper. Maybe not in the fall, but soon.

  140. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    Nice play by Lander there.

    I saw him good there as well. Seemed to be showing offensive instincts. I immediately thought of MacTavish’s “have to at least be a threat to score” comment and I believe that Lander may not go the way of Hartikainen. Remains to be seen how the rest of the season goes, though.

  141. RexLibris says:

    Whenever I see Mikael Backlund I think of Riley Nash and Alex Plante, and I get pissed off at Kevin Prendergast all over again.

  142. G Money says:

    The Flames have no-one of Hall’s calibre. Not even close.

    The Oilers have no-one of Giordano’s calibre. Not even close.

  143. rich says:

    Fraser is not a very good hockey player.

  144. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide,

    Yes, his play to get the puck out by making a nice move in front of the oilers net was a bit risky but he accelerated very quickly and made it look easy and smooth.

    I’m a fan

  145. justDOit says:

    That perspective from Trawnah brought to you by loud suits.

  146. G Money says:

    book¡je:
    I don’t enjoy seeing a guy who got a concussion out there fighting.

    Fixed it for you.

    rich:
    Fraser is not a hockey player.

    And for you too.

  147. RexLibris says:

    Cherry likes the Flames’ dressing two goons and doesn’t like Gazdic.

    This doesn’t bother me in the slightest.

  148. RexLibris says:

    Fen% over at ES has the Oilers with a 2.2% edge before the Too Many Men penalty.

    Nice to see.

  149. rich says:

    G Money,

    You’re a good man. Can’t wait to see how you did it.

  150. RexLibris says:

    Oilers taking a penalty for playing Too Many Men against the Flames…there’s a joke in there.

  151. Lowetide says:

    frjohnk:
    Lowetide,

    Yes, his play to get the puck out by making a nice move in front of the oilers net was a bit risky but he accelerated very quickly and made it look easy and smooth.

    I’m a fan

    He also made a nice little pass in the offensive zone, a small flick, that didn’t work out but could have.

  152. Gret99zky says:

    everyone’s a keeper

    even the one’s not here anymore

  153. RexLibris says:

    RexLibris:
    Fen% over at ES has the Oilers with a 2.2% edge before the Too Many Men penalty.

    Nice to see.

    Period’s end has the Fen% flipped in the Flames’ favour by way of PP.

  154. VanOil says:

    I knew is was Yakupov’s fault!!!

  155. theres oil in virginia says:

    G Money,

    I think this is the fix we really want to see:

    Fraser is not an Edmonton Oiler.

  156. fifthcartel says:

    #FreeFriedman

  157. RexLibris says:

    I love hearing the CBC narratives they spin every intermission. Putin should hire them for his fact-checking team.

  158. Kitchener says:

    RexLibris:
    Whenever I see Mikael Backlund I think of Riley Nash and Alex Plante, and I get pissed off at Kevin Prendergast all over again.

    My office party nearly ended after the Plante selection. We were all speechless.

  159. G Money says:

    Oilers back to playing the Hot Potato Defensive System.

  160. sliderule says:

    Are we in the same Fxxxxxx country as CBC .

    They are so glowing and so negative about oilers it could make you puke.

    The sooner they punt them and old fossil Cherry the better.

  161. G Money says:

    Seems to me the refs are extraordinarily confused.

    Called a hooking penalty ON Hall, did not call the penalty shot FOR Hall, DID call a penalty shot for Stajan – may very well be the weakest penalty shot I’v ever seen called in any game ever.

  162. flyfish1168 says:

    Schulz is a dangerous player

  163. rich says:

    One of these teams played last night and gave up 5 goals.

    Can you guess which one?

  164. Kitchener says:

    clunk
    clunk

    two wheels fall off.

  165. Gerta Rauss says:

    oh dear

  166. hunter1909 says:

    LOL.

    3-1 Flames bitch slapping the Oilers at home. How do they spin this, character builder?

    4-1

    LOL

  167. Marcus Oilerius says:

    *click*

    *tssst-POP*

    Let’s see what today’s episode of Almost Human is like.

  168. VanOil says:

    Watch out Buffalo. We can suck for the ages.

  169. justDOit says:

    I go for a wizz, and check on what the youngun is watching, and… WTF (whatthefrasier)?

  170. hunter1909 says:

    Ten games left. Thank fuck.

    Eakins look out, now the Flames are ahead they might explode for 9 goals.

  171. OilClog says:

    Why is Lander playing 2nd line wing?

    It was 2-1, now 4-1.. Omg.

    How do you lose 3-1 to Buffalo and now this.

    This team is suppose to be missing a few pieces..

    Eakins losing another coaching battle.

    Lol

  172. Minister D- says:

    This is the first Oilers hockey I’ve watched in a month and, surprise, it’s an absolute clown show. Seriously, fold this BS franchise.

  173. LMHF#1 says:

    The walking goal against is already -2. Man is Ference terrible in front of the net.

  174. Kitchener says:

    The silver lining is that Calgary will be up by 6 points if they hold the win. We can start talking about a top 4 pick with increasing certainty.

    Sigh.

  175. OilClog says:

    Holy fuck I’m done.

  176. art vandelay says:

    When do the paper bags come out?

  177. hunter1909 says:

    I suppose I can stand to watch the rest of the 2nd period.
    5-1

  178. Gary says:

    Maybe the Rush lacrosse sticks are still there so the Oilers can use the little baskets to take a freakin’ pass.

  179. gvblackhawk says:

    Pitlick is doing his best to get back to OKC for the playoffs. He took off his cloak of invisibility last shift in order to lose a board battle then fly the zone before the puck left the Dzone. Real ugly.

  180. hunter1909 says:

    Goalie change? Can’t they have a coaching change?

  181. Gret99zky says:

    it’s okay

    no one predicted the Oilers would finish ahead of the Flames this season

  182. G Money says:

    Somebody wake me, I’m having a Dubnyk nightmare!

  183. Kitchener says:

    $5 says these guys will see a lot more ice tonight: Lander, Pitlick

  184. gvblackhawk says:

    art vandelay:
    When do the paper bags come out?

    They came out about November 1st.

  185. VanOil says:

    art vandelay:
    When do the paper bags come out?

    If you plan to poop in it do you still use paper? Because this is Flaming…

  186. G Money says:

    This is very reminiscent of the game the Oilers played against the Flames at the ‘Dome last year. Oilers down 2-0 after the first and it ended up 8-2 Oilers. Karma’s a bitch. (Then again, that game helped cost us Monahan, so maybe not)

  187. justDOit says:

    G Money:
    Somebody wake me, I’m having a Dubnyk nightmare!

    Only thing worse than this, is what Draisatl or Ekblad must dream every night, “With the first selection of the 2014 NHL entry draft, the Edmonton Oilers are proud to select…”, MacT croaks out, while flanked by a big-haired, fat kid.

  188. G Money says:

    Cue the 9-5 comeback win that will cost us a top 4 pick.

  189. gvblackhawk says:

    Hrudey: The Oilers have looked great since that 5th goal was scored…

  190. SK Oiler Fan says:

    I can’t watch 89 wander away from the play anymore. His head is not in it and without that he’s not a useful player. He may never be the same.

  191. justDOit says:

    VanOil: If you plan to poop in it do you still use paper? Because this is Flaming…

    I think he gives the bags to the hookers, and in return, gets a $20 discount.

  192. hunter1909 says:

    This game is a drunk 45 year old Nicole Kidman.

  193. G Money says:

    justDOit,

    No kidding. Pretty soon Jr players are going to go on strike demanding the right to sign NDC (No Draft Contracts) so they can’t be picked by the Oilers.

  194. cmcousine says:

    Well, this game sucks. Why am I still watching again?

  195. book¡je says:

    All I can say is that once this team masters Eakins’ system, they will be unbeatable. Just imagine how awesome this system must be if it takes 6 months for the team to develop even a semblance of understanding of it.

  196. LMHF#1 says:

    First game I’ve ever actually left.

  197. Kitchener says:

    gvblackhawk:
    Hrudey:The Oilers have looked great since that 5th goal was scored…

    He’s trying to be balanced. The Eberle feature was another example. I don’t mind the effort to say something positive. It’s way better than what the intermission crowd will say about the OIlers.

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