ISLANDERS AT OILERS, G64 13-14

After one of the more difficult days of Oiler fandom in recent history, we can move on to the next mind-blowing horror. The deadline past, we can focus on the offseason after a quick look back at yesterday.

TRADE DEADLINE VALUE TABLE

  • Ales Hemsky: First-round draft pick (or a second and a fourth). **third and a fifth**
  • Nick Schultz: A third round pick. **fifth round pick**
  • Ilya Bryzgalov: A fourth round pick. **correctly predicted value**

It was a weird deadline for value (Dustin Penner for a fourth, Nick Schultz and Mike Weaver both fetching fifths), and that 2015 third-round pick might end up looking more like a second rounder by the time things roll out. However, I’d say the overall return on these three veterans should be described as less than expected compared to the going rate during deadline week.

OILERS 2014 DRAFT PICKS

  • #2 overall (first round)
  • #91 overall (fourth round, this is the Bryzgalov return)
  • #116 overall (fourth round, this is the Mike Brown return)
  • #128 overall (fifth round, this is the first pick of the Ales Hemsky return)
  • #136 overall (fifth round, this is the Nick Schultz return)
  • #152 overall (sixth round)
  • #182 overall (seventh round)

Using Central scouting as an estimate, the Oilers draft board might look like this on that warm Saturday night:

  • D Aaron Ekblad
  • D Aaron Irving
  • C Colby Cave
  • G Jonas Johansson
  • C Teemu Lamsa
  • C Mason Blacklock
  • G Justin Paulic

That’s kind of all over the map and the CS list is always wonky, but it’s fun to look at the names and check out their stories. I think they’re taking Ekblad, ladies.

 OILERS 14-15

The deadline is past and we can begin to look forward to the offseason. The talent that might be available to the Oilers to fill holes is more likely to appear via trade than free agency.

SIGNED PLAYERS

  1. Taylor Hall $6M
  2. Jordan Eberle $6M
  3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins $6M
  4. Sam Gagner $4.8M
  5. David Perron $3.8125M
  6. Boyd Gordon $3M
  7. Matt Hendricks $1.85M
  8. Nail Yakupov $.925M ($2.85M w/bonus)
  9. Andrew Ference $3.25M
  10. Martin Marincin $.730M
  11. Viktor Fasth $2.9M
  12. Ben Scrivens $2.3M

Capgeek has the signed men at $45,507,000 and the payroll estimate is $71M. We’re hearing it won’t be that high, so let’s go with $68M as an estimate for now, and then we’ll be pleasantly surprised if the number is better.

RFA’S AND THEIR ESTIMATES

  1. Luke Gazdic $.700M
  2. Jeff Petry $3.5M
  3. Justin Schultz $4.0M

I’m terrible at these things, but let’s assume the totals are close. We’re up to 15 players (65% of the roster) and $53,707,000 and with some holes to fill. The roster as listed here includes two goalies, four defenders, three centers, four left-wingers and three right-wingers. The shopping list is a #1D, a #2D, a depth D, two centers and one left-winger and two right-wingers. Let’s see if we can find anyone from the in-house UFA’s and the minor leagues to fill these spots.

UFA’S AND MINOR LEAGUE ADDITIONS (VALUE CONTRACTS)

  1. Anton Lander $.800M
  2. Tyler Pitlick $.900M
  3. Oscar Klefbom $.895M

Now we’re up to 18 players (and honestly you could put Arcobello, Horak and Fedun there and it might be better, this is my estimate). The dollar total in my estimate is up to $57,302,000, leaving about $12M for five players: #1D, #2D, 2line C, a 3line L and a 3line R.

TARGETS

  • #1D Brooks Orpik $5.5M

orpik esI know you’re wailing at the computer screen, but this isn’t to argue specific players it’s to see if we can go shopping and find all of the required ingredients on this budget. So, estimating Orpik accepts a long term deal with Edmonton, we can move on with $6.5M left in the budget and four players to go.

  • 3L Dustin Penner $2.3M and Daniel Winnik $2.3M

penner esAgain, let’s not go crazy with names, we’re just trying to make this work within the budget. We’ll tweak the template later. Okay, we’ve given healthy raises to both players and used up the rest of our money. It now stands at 21 players, $66,407,000 and we’re really close to the cap. The final two players (as I’ve broken them down) are #2D and #2C. Let’s list the roster and see if we can find areas to improve.

PROJECTED ROSTER

  1. G Ben Scrivens
  2. G Viktor Fasth
  3. D Brooks Orpik
  4. x (Anton Belov)
  5. D Martin Marincin
  6. D Jeff Petry
  7. D Andrew Ference
  8. D Justin Schultz
  9. D Oscar Klefbom
  10. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  11. x (Mark Arcobello)
  12. C Boyd Gordon
  13. C Sam Gagner
  14. C Anton Lander
  15. L Taylor Hall
  16. L Nail Yakupov
  17. L Dustin Penner
  18. L Luke Gazdic
  19. R Jordan Eberle
  20. R David Perron
  21. R Daniel Winnik
  22. R Matt Hendricks
  23. R Tyler Pitlick

If you kept Gagner and filled in the final two vital peices internally opening night and near the cap would be:

  • Nuge-Hall-Eberle
  • Gagner-Yakupov-Perron
  • Gordon-Penner-Winnik
  • Lander-Hendricks-Gazdic/Pitlick
  • Orpik-Schultz
  • Marincin-Petry
  • Ference-Belov
  • Scrivens-Fasth

Okay, we can get some extra dollars by trading Sam Gagner and his $4.8M contract, but there’s absolutely no way that the club will get full value. Also, there is the first round pick, which could be #1 overall. Finally, there’s all those defensive prospects. So there’s some room to move but it’s not going to be easy.

  • Deal Gagner for something useful
  • Deal 1st rd pick plus something for a lower pick in the top 10 and something useful
  • Deal a combination of the above and a quality defensive prospect for something useful

Alright, this is the first working attempt at this. Let me have it!

 LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

garrA busy day on the Lowdown, TSN 1260 at 10 this morning. Scheduled to appear:

  • Dennis King, Oilogopshere icon. We’ll talk about Hemsky’s legacy and the responsibility of management during the failing years.
  • Murray McCourt, from the Ranch. The Golf Show is in the city this weekend, we’ll get a preview.
  • Ryan Pike, Flames Nation and the Hockey Writer. Calgary made some good moves yesterday, but not the expected one.
  • Harrison Mooney, Puck Daddy and Pass it to Bulis. The Canucks. Lordy.

10-1260 via text, @Lowetide_ on twitter. A lot of the show will be your reaction so chime in!

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  1. oilgreg says:

    As long as we don’t win too many more games, there is a reasonable expectation that Ekblad will be available at the draft. He is a guy that scouts say will play NHL hockey next year, and he just might fill that #1 or #2 D position for the next 17 years ( until the age 35 ).

    I am not quite sure why you would promote the idea of trading that pick, at least until you saw exactly who you can get with it.

  2. russ99 says:

    Eastern Conference foe who traded away good players and their star is out for the year?

    We have a pretty good chance tonight…

  3. John Chambers says:

    High picks are so much more valuable as potential franchise players than they are as trade assets.

    For that reason I’m behind an overpay for a legit top-pair D like Markov, or even trade a gem like Eberle to fill a hole and free up cap space then replace him with Moulson or Vrbata while you give one of the Sam’s another year to marinate in Junior.

  4. slopitch says:

    I’m all for the Oilers moving Yak for Subban or Gagner+ for Myers and drafting Ekblad. Its too bad you change swap the ages of Taylor Hall and Eklbad.

    Here is my dream summer…

    Gagner+ for Myers
    Assets for Jordan Staal (Carolina is interested in freeing up cap space I heard, I’ll say Lander + Klefbom + 2015 2nd)
    Draft Ekblad

    When MacT is done, there may only be 2 small skill wingers left. I don’t consider Hall a small skill winger, he’s more in the Perron calibre.

  5. Pouzar says:

    Orpik? Penner? OMG LT have you LOST your MIND!!!!!!!!!!

    :P

  6. stevezie says:

    If we choose to see the Scrivens/Dubnyk trade as connected (which I agree makes sense), do we not have to see this recent sadness as Hemsky for Fasth? I think that sounds more reasonable than “Hemsky for two middling draft picks”.

    Value was down this year. While we sold cheap, we bough cheap at the same time and as a result have very respectable looking goaltending situation awaiting us next year.

  7. Lowetide says:

    Scott Cullen figured out that the Oilers acquired draft picks that have a 36% chance of turning into an NHL player for 83. That’s dog value for such a player.

  8. frjohnk says:

    Rumor was that the Oilers were looking at Tyler Myers. So if Buffalo trades away Myers for some offensive help and is picking first, I think they pick Ekblad

  9. Esa10 says:

    Since we are playing the speculation game, here we go:

    Draft Day:
    Trade Sam Gagner and Dillon simpson
    for
    Kyle Clifford and Linden Vey

    Draft Bennett or Reinhart ( if the Oilers fall out of the bottom 3 this part might change)

    July 1st…or is it 5th?
    Sign Matt Niskanen and Kyle Quincy to the Girardi Contract

    So, Matt Niskanen (27) for 6 years 5.5 million

    Kyle Quincy (28) for 5 years 5.5 Million

    If that doesnt work then the B list would have to be :
    Nikita Nikitin
    Anton Stralman

    THEN THAT”S IT!!!!!!

    Nuge Hall Eberle
    Bennett Perron Yakupov
    Gordon Clifford Vey
    Lander Hendricks Pitlick
    Gadzick Arcobello

    Quincy Niskanen
    Marincin Petry
    Ference Schultz
    Klefbom

    Scrivins
    Fasth

  10. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “However, I’d say the overall return on these three veterans should be described as less than expected compared to the going rate during deadline week.”

    Do you mean deadline week in general, or this particular deadline week?

    I think the return was about on par considering the weird market conditions this year.

  11. Ca$h-Money! says:

    I think all the complaining about the return on Hemsky is offside…..

  12. Dee Dee says:

    So the Oil took their bad team and made it even worse in order to free up salary to load up for next year, that’s the plan I guess.

    It’s going to make for some God awful hockey for the rest of this season, they’re going to win, what, 4 games maybe?

    At least last year they were competing for a playoff spot around this time and not the freaking Toilet Bowl, such a massive regression from last year

    Sad that no one even seems upset about that this year, the organization has just come to accept it.

  13. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide,

    I always thought that in years past, buyers over paid for most pending UFA’s. This year, the pendulum swung the other way quit hard.

    At the end of the season, a UFA who wants to test the free agency market, his value is pretty much 0. So if Hemsky’s plan is to test the market this summer, renting him for 20 games or so, his value is most likely what the oilers got back.

    Here is what I think also with Hemsky. He was paid as a first liner. He had the skill of a first liner. But they played him on the third line and he produced third line points. They got a third line return.

  14. Jon K says:

    “It was a weird deadline for value (Dustin Penner for a fourth, Nick Schultz and Mike Weaver both fetching fifths), and that 2015 third-round pick might end up looking more like a second rounder by the time things roll out. However, I’d say the overall return on these three veterans should be described as less than expected compared to the going rate during deadline week.”

    I can’t remember a deadline day that had more of a buyers’ market than this one. There were many F options out there for GMs looking to improve their teams, some of which were clearly superior to Hemsky. It’s just too bad that Hemsky had to leave in such circumstances.

    At least we can be optimistic about the top 100 pick coming back in 2015, a much better draft class. Yay?

  15. Clay says:

    LT, when you talk about trading the 1st rd pick, are you talking 2014 or 15?

  16. jbfuzz says:

    Man, I hope they stay away from another gross overpay for a Ference type. The Ference signing has not added any on-ice value – funny how the Smid contract was deemed horrible by MacT but signing a similar player with six more years of mileage was a good idea.

    I think the only value the Oil will find on the FA market would be guys like Nikitin or, later on in the off-season, a Quincey or Hainsey type that might be on the market for a while looking for a deal.

    I hope they move Gagner and/or Eberle to fill holes on the blue and the wing while pursuing Paul Stastny. I expect they won’t receive an offer that meets the value of their high 1st round pick this year.

  17. HugThePost says:

    Dee Dee:
    So the Oil took their bad team and made it even worse in order to free up salary to load up for next year, that’s the plan I guess.

    It’s going to make for some God awful hockey for the rest of this season, they’re going to win, what, 4 games maybe?

    At least last year they were competing for a playoff spot around this time and not the freaking Toilet Bowl, such a massive regression from last year

    Sad that no one even seems upset about that this year, the organization has just come to accept it.

    I totally agree.

    Similarly, I expected a big year from Hall, especially after the experience at the Worlds last spring, and also after his olympic snub. But, we can probably all agree, he has regressed this season with the rest of the team.

    There is no easy solution, but somehow something has to be done to get this organization out of the perpetual tailspin. The first thing would be to stop accepting it at all levels, and just shrugging one’s shoulders and saying ‘oh well, the new guys deserve some time to get up to speed’.

    The team does weird things to its actual nhl players: Hemsky gets marginalized and then cast aside. Arco shows up at TC playing like a rabid dog, outplays Gagner at every single chance, and then gets buried in the minors. Yak getting blamed for everything including the weather. Such a circus.

  18. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I was petrified that MacT would make a move for MacDonald. The bad news is he might still chase him if he makes his way to UFA status.

    One thing I was thinking yesterday was that maybe MacT should have noted the low price and taken a flyer on a few rentals and/or useful pieces with term left. You never know, maybe you can find something useful for the future on the cheap. (probably not though as rentals would have to re-sign for it to work).

    ———–
    Orpik is obviously a horrible idea. I think he’s probably on MacT’s list though. Our pro scouts are god awful.

    (BTW you have Orpik as both 5.5 and 6.5)

    Markov is a better target. but the picks are slim:

    http://www.capgeek.com/ufa-finder?position_id=D

    I’d try hard for Fayne (he’ll probably re-up)

    http://public.tableausoftware.com/shared/7T9PGM8DR?:display_count=no

    after that, last year’s randoms: Gilbert, Hainsey

    Nikitin would be a decent low end target.

  19. Ducey says:

    Lowetide:
    Scott Cullen figured out that the Oilers acquired draft picks that have a 36% chance of turning into an NHL player for 83. That’s dog value for such a player.

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGG!!

    They have been trying to trade him for 3 years. Its all he was worth.

    He was not re signing here. That is very evident from his comments. Its clear he “wanted a change” in the summer but had a chat with MacT after he couldn’t trade him and was the good soldier this season.

    So you have a player that isn’t interested in signing and the market was not particularly interested in.

    Neil Smith was on the tele last night. When asked about which GM did the best, he said MacT. He said he thought the return for Hemsky was high and was surprised anyone paid anything at all for him.

    I know its all the fashion to pillory the “eastern media” and other GM’s but that is who was paying the fare for Ales yesterday. They just don’t think much of him. Its sounds like without the 2 goals vs OTT he would have returned even less.

    It was all he was worth.

    Dustin Penner who has .64 ppg, 2 Stanley Cup rings and the big body GM’s love got a 4th. Hemsky was at .46 ppg. I don’t know too many GM’s that would pay more for Hemsky than Penner.

    It was all he was worth.

    It does seem that Hemsky won’t make the playoffs this year. OTT is 12th in the East, just 4 points back, but they need to crawl over a bunch of teams. They have the same goals against as the Oilers. Tied for 2nd worst in the league.

  20. misfit says:

    What I really want to know is that, given the cost of rentals yesterday, why weren’t we buyers?

    I mean, the chances of getting the player re-signed must be better than getting a player out of the collection of late round picks we’d be giving up.

  21. Caramel Obvious says:

    The lower the salary cap the better it is for the Oilers.

    There isn’t going to be anything good in the free agent market. However, insofar as there is talent the Oilers have more cap space than most. The problem is that what talent is out there plays forward.

    An RFA trade is almost always better than a long term UFA contract.

    Ference is better than Mark Stuart. That’s what a bad contract looks like.

    Orpik would obviously be horrible but LT told us to ignore the names. Problem is there
    isn’t anyone actually suitable.

    I would move heaven and earth for Subban.

  22. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Looking at the picks MacT has to work with (no 2nd or 3rd), I can’t see a way MacT moves the 1st.

    Only two things would do it: He gets a crazy return on the pick. crazy good. Or, he trades down into the top ten and gets a crazy good return.

    Even in those cases, I’d bet MacT would still prefer to keep the pick 8 times out of 10.

    So, strap in folks, we’re picking in the top 4! Hurry on Draisaitl.

  23. Caramel Obvious says:

    In more organized fashion here are some UFAs that are both good and fit on the Oilers worth pursuing.

    Stastny
    Legwand (I bet Detroit resigns him)
    Goc
    Winnik

    Markov
    Nikitin
    Niskanen (Pittsburg will re-sign him)
    Fayne (again likely re-sign candidate)

    That’s thin pickings.

    That means the Oilers have to consider the RFA group strongly either through trade or offer sheet (I only included players I could conceive of being available)

    Berglund
    Sobotka
    Subban
    Kulikov

    This is where the talent is. This is where you need to look if you want the Oilers to improve.

    Finally, in a category all by himself. Sean Couturier. Trade for him and your team will be better. I promise.

  24. Jon K says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    “Orpik is obviously a horrible idea. I think he’s probably on MacT’s list though. Our pro scouts are god awful.”

    It would be interesting to dissect the current scouting staff, and to look at the tenure of each individual member. Given the generally poor pro scout resume under the Lowe regime, and some of the “passion picks” in recent years (i.e. Hesketh), I absolutely feel that no one in the scouting departments should be above scrutiny.

    If MacT really wants to right the ship, he needs to figure out who is on the payroll by the grace of KLowe (and even others before), and who is bona fide. There are some good scouts working for the Oilers to be sure (I still like MBS), but I think we need to accept that there are also some old friends that need to find employment elsewhere.

  25. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Deadline question: Can teams trade players who are under NHL contracts but not playing in the NHL after the deadline?

    ie., could the Oilers trade Nurse, Lander, etc. right now?

  26. RexLibris says:

    Rom beat me to it, but I was going to suggest Mark Fayne as a candidate for UFA defensemen.

    Maybe he shakes free in New Jersey, hard to say. Lamoriello has his light on upstairs and doesn’t miss much by way of useful talent.

    I think I’d accept moving Gagner for a perceived less than full value if it meant adding a defenseman with a higher potential upside that is either waiting to materialize or is still a few years off.

    Gagner brings offense. GMs can take leave of their senses for boxcars and youth. The trick in the trade will be setting things up so that the other GM believes he’s getting a rock bottom price on a young star.

    Enter Garth Snow.

  27. Ribs says:

    It’s really starting to sink in that they’re not going to be good again next year.

    That draft picks listing is just kind of sad. Usually we have the draft to look forward to! One pick in the first three rounds does not sound like fun.

    I really hope MacTavish has a magical summer.

  28. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Caramel Obvious: Finally, in a category all by himself. Sean Couturier. Trade for him and your team will be better. I promise.

    I thought of you here:

    https://twitter.com/RomulusNotNuma/status/441596685610135554

  29. sliderule says:

    If the oilers draft second they will draft Ekblad.

    If they draft third they will debate between Bennett and Draisaitl.Probably pick the big German.

    If they draft fourth they will take one left from those two.

    If they draft fifth they may trade down.Big mistake in my view as Dal Colle will be there.

    The isles have a tough schedule but they are 6 pts ahead.Flames have a similar schedule to oilers maybe slightly harder and 5 pts ahead .Florida has a bunch of home games and after the western road trip should stay ahead of us.

    I see the oilers winning too many meaningless games and maybe picking third or fourth.

  30. Fish82 says:

    For me the roster i’d go with:

    Hall – RNH – Yak
    Perron – Reinheart – Ebs
    Winnik (type) – Gordon – Hendricks
    Smyth – Lander – Arco

    1D – 2D
    Marincine – Petry
    Ferrence – Schultz Jr.

    That D Pair is ideal. But will more likely look like:

    1D – Petry
    Ferrence – Schultz
    Marincine – (Solid #4 type guy)

    I think Gagner should garner a really solid RD that fills the #3-4 shutdown role.

    That leaves plenty of money to grab a 1LD and also doesn’t handcuff us CAP wise for the Yak raise, coming next year. A Markov 6 for 3 years type deal

    This buys one more year, maybe a 1/2 a season in the AHL for Kelfbom plus a full one for Nurse in Jrs. And allows for a year in the AHL for Nurse the following season and lines up with the expiration of Markov.

  31. G Money says:

    stevezie:
    If we choose to see the Scrivens/Dubnyk trade as connected (which I agree makes sense), do we not have to see this recent sadness as Hemsky for Fasth? I think that sounds more reasonable than “Hemsky for two middling draft picks”.

    Value was down this year. While we sold cheap, we bough cheap at the same time and as a result have very respectable looking goaltending situation awaiting us next year.

    Exactly right. When the dust settles, we traded 20 games of Hemsky for 100 games of Fasth (or I suppose as he is a 1b goalie, we traded for 50 games of Fasth).

    Lowetide:
    Scott Cullen figured out that the Oilers acquired draft picks that have a 36% chance of turning into an NHL player for 83. That’s dog value for such a player.

    I too am sad to see Hemsky go, but your math does not compute.

    We did not trade Hemsky for a 36% chance of an NHL player. We traded 20 (meaningless) games of Hemsky for a 36% chance of getting an NHL player.

    It is a trade of guaranteed-100%-no-value for 64%-chance-of-no-value.

  32. Caramel Obvious says:

    Another way to look at it is to examine teams that will be near the cap.

    Chicago is going to be right at the cap. That means someone like Hjalmarsson might be available for a young player. That’s the positive scenario. The negative scenario is Bickell.

    The Rangers are right at the cap as well and have a number of RFAs. The means Zuccarello or Kreider might be available.

    The Leafs are a cap team and have an uneasy relationship with Jake Gardiner. That would help.

  33. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Caramel Obvious: That means the Oilers have to consider the RFA group strongly either through trade or offer sheet (I only included players I could conceive of being available)

    As speeds keeps pointing out.. our offer sheet options are really limited because we don’t have our 2nd and 3rd… and I keep telling him MacT doesn’t seem like an offer sheet guy. not ruthless enough.

  34. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Jon K:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    “Orpik is obviously a horrible idea. I think he’s probably on MacT’s list though. Our pro scouts are god awful.”

    It would be interesting to dissect the current scouting staff, and to look at the tenure of each individual member. Given the generally poor pro scout resume under the Lowe regime, and some of the “passion picks” in recent years (i.e. Hesketh), I absolutely feel that no one in the scouting departments should be above scrutiny.

    If MacT really wants to right the ship, he needs to figure out who is on the payroll by the grace of KLowe (and even others before), and who is bona fide. There are some good scouts working for the Oilers to be sure (I still like MBS), but I think we need to accept that there are also some old friends that need to find employment elsewhere.

    My suggestion when Tambo was fired was this.

    open everyone’s job up to competition from coach to trainer to scout. everyone. If you’ve got a job, you’ve got to re-interview for it and win the job.

    MacT should have had to win his job too. and first, then he should have done this to everyone.

  35. frjohnk says:

    Last years deadline

    The Pittsburgh Penguins acquired Douglas Murray from the San Jose Sharks for a 2013 2nd round draft pick and a conditional 2014 2nd round draft pick.

    This years deadline.

    The Montreal Canadians acquired Thomas Vanek and a 2014 conditional fifth-round draft pick from the New York Islanders for a 2014 conditional second-round draft pick and Swedish forward prospect Sebastian Collberg ( who was a a 2012 second round pick 33rd overall)

    This sums up how the trade deadline has changed

  36. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Caramel Obvious: Stastny
    Legwand (I bet Detroit resigns him)
    Goc
    Winnik

    Kulemin and Moss too.

  37. highgloveside says:

    Esa10,

    Esa10:
    Since we are playing the speculation game, here we go:

    Draft Day:
    Trade Sam Gagner and Dillon simpson
    for
    Kyle Clifford and Linden Vey

    Draft Bennett or Reinhart ( if the Oilers fall out of the bottom 3 this part might change)

    July 1st…or is it 5th?
    Sign Matt Niskanen and Kyle Quincy to the Girardi Contract

    So, Matt Niskanen (27) for 6 years 5.5 million

    Kyle Quincy (28) for 5 years 5.5 Million

    If that doesnt work then the B list would have to be :
    Nikita Nikitin
    Anton Stralman

    THEN THAT”S IT!!!!!!

    Nuge Hall Eberle
    Bennett Perron Yakupov
    Gordon Clifford Vey
    Lander Hendricks Pitlick
    Gadzick Arcobello

    Quincy Niskanen
    Marincin Petry
    Ference Schultz
    Klefbom

    Scrivins
    Fasth

    Quincey is not worth $5.5, he is making $3.7 not and is Detroits #4 dman. Would take Orpik or about 10 other guys ahead of Quincey, he has been a disappointment wherever he has gone.

    Gagner and Simpson for Clifford and Vey? Vey has 18 games NHL experience and another small forward. Those two on the 3rd line makes this team infinitley worse. Gagner should get both no problem but I wouldn’t do that. Rather Gagner to ANA for Smith-Pelly or Etem and Maroon.

  38. G Money says:

    Caramel Obvious: Another way to look at it is to examine teams that will be near the cap.

    Yes.

    My UFA D list earlier in the year was Girardi (gone), Hainsey (old), Gilbert (hated), Orpik (expensive), and Niskanen (questionable). The idea is that no one of those guys would solve the problem, but getting TWO of them would at least replace two of our AHL defensemen with actual NHL defensemen.

    I do not think that avenue is likely to fly.

    So now it’s all about cap space.

    Doesn’t have to be RFAs though, it could be any player i.e. a team looking at an expensive RFA renewal is just as likely to dump one of their signed players in order to have cap room for the RFA player, rather than the other way around.

    Next year probably hangs on that type of CFP cap-driven trade.

    That’s what will likely determine if next years theme is about the playoffs or McDavid.

  39. thejonrmcleod says:

    Last offseason the Red Sox wanted a few “bridge” players, so they signed a few veterans to contracts that were high on annual salary but low on term (and won the World Series in what was supposed to be a bridge year!). The Oilers have cap room. If I were MacT, I’d try to sign someone like Markov to a 2 or 3-year contract at big dollars per season. It’s not my money.

  40. Hammers says:

    Going off base but rather than an Orpik or any other Old “D” if we draft Ekblad as so many think play him , Nurse , Petry , Marincin , Ference , Schultz , Klefbom . Then hire an actual coach to mentor teach them Huddy ? Maybe i’m nuts but it maybe an option . Truth is we will overpay for any UFA so only other option is a trade of say Gags & Yak for Myers & Stewart then you play Arco with Stewart & Perron . You then have money to fill 2 UFA forwards for the bottom 6 .

  41. Esa10 says:

    highgloveside:
    Esa10,

    Quincey is not worth $5.5, he is making $3.7 not and is Detroits #4 dman.Would take Orpik or about 10 other guys ahead of Quincey, he has been a disappointment wherever he has gone.

    Gagner and Simpson for Clifford and Vey?Vey has 18 games NHL experience and another small forward.Those two on the 3rd line makes this team infinitley worse.Gagner should get both no problem but I wouldn’t do that.Rather Gagner to ANA for Smith-Pelly or Etem and Maroon.

    My fantasy scenario is based upon:

    1. The Oilers need NHL players
    2. Realistic possibilities.

    I used Clifford and Vey as possibilites only because they have been bandied about by MSM. I wouldn’t sleep on Vey, he can play C or RW and has lit up the AHL at a young age.

    Quincy may not be the answer but he plays the third most minutes in detroit, is young, and a real possibility. I prefer to speculate about these types of transactions than dreaming of Weber.

  42. gogliano says:

    What the change in average returns year-over-year underscores is how irrational the NHL trade market is. If we were talking about GMs with a good idea about player value and its impact on success you’d see a pretty stable market. We clearly don’t have that. We have a market that has basically said it does not know what a player’s true worth to a team is. Hence the wild variation.

    Which is also to say that the GM slot makes a ton of difference in this league.

  43. book¡je says:

    I think those who are disappointed with the Hemsky trade are more disappointed with the whole state of affairs as opposed to the trade at the end.

  44. russ99 says:

    My offseason plan is much more simple:

    1) Trade Gagner at the draft for a 2nd round pick and a good forward prospect that needs AHL time. Eat salary or send a prospect to make it happen as a salary dump. Considering the market and his NTC, we’re not going to get a quality NHL asset for him and everyone knows he needs to be dealt for us to move forward.

    That increases our cap room for next year to around $34M.

    Sign Schultz, Petry and Gazdic and let everyone else go – that goes down to $28-29M

    Then comes Free agency jackpot!!

    2C – Paul Stastny – 3/$6.25M or Mikhail Grabovski 4/$5.5M
    3LW – Jussi Jokinen – 2/$3.75M or Mason Raymond 3/$3.5M
    3RW – Steve Downey – 3/$3M or Dustin Setoguchi 3/$3.75M
    4C – Trevor Lewis – 4/$2.5M or Mike Santorelli – 4/$3M
    2D – Matt Niskanen – 3/$4.5M or Andrei Markov – 2/$6M
    4D – Andrew McDonald or Mark Fayne – 3/$2.5M
    6/7D – Derek Morris or Scott Hannan – 1/$2.75M
    3G – Brian Elliot – 2/$2M (to mentor our inexperienced goalies)

    Then dump all the assistants and bring in experienced coaches who can help smooth out Eakins’ wackier ego-driven strategies, improve our offense/power play and work better with the players.

  45. spoiler says:

    G Money: Exactly right. When the dust settles, we traded 20 games of Hemsky for 100 games of Fasth (or I suppose as he is a 1b goalie, we traded for 50 games of Fasth).

    Lowetide:

    Scott Cullen figured out that the Oilers acquired draft picks that have a 36% chance of turning into an NHL player for 83. That’s dog value for such a player.

    I too am sad to see Hemsky go, but your math does not compute.

    We did not trade Hemsky for a 36% chance of an NHL player. We traded 20 (meaningless) games of Hemsky for a 36% chance of getting an NHL player.

    It is a trade of guaranteed-100%-no-value for 64%-chance-of-no-value.

    This is exactly correct and I’m a little surprised that many around here still cannot compute this reaility.

  46. J-Bo says:

    Defensive thoughts…

    They are simply not going to go out and get both a new No. 1 and No. 2 D-man. Justin Schultz is there plan at No. 2. I think our best case scenario for next year (considering who this management team is) will likely look like this:

    Markov/Erhoff – J. Schultz
    Marincin – Petry
    Ference – Ekblad
    Fraser – Belov/Fedun

    Nurse stays in juniour and Klefbom stays in Oklahoma (but plays some games in Edmonton). To me, assuming we draft Ekblad (big assumption at this point) down the road might look like this:

    Nurse – Ekblad
    Klefbom – Schultz
    Marincin – Petry

    Is the above likely to happen? Probably not, but if we obtained/retained all these guys and they developed to potential and pushed Marincin – Petry to our 5/6, our defense would be as strong as St. Louis. A mix of size, toughness, offense, and shut down types who all have great ability to move the puck.

    If we can land somewhere near here on a defense in say 4 years (a year or so before Hall etc… need new contracts), then our forwards would be crazy to leave because just as they were coming into their primes, Edmonton would have the powerhouse package we hope for one day.

    Maybe I’m just dreaming and I know everybody just wants Weber and the playoffs next year, but I bet the Edmonton management team might be thinking close to this same way…

  47. spoiler says:

    What a dog’s breakfast of UFA Dmen this summer. I don’t know how MacT can possibly improve the position without a trade. He sounded like he had a plan in the pressers this week. I wonder if the deadline uncovered a summer trade possibility.

  48. Rondo says:

    Quite shocking that fans have Ekblad an Oiler as well as a Norris trophy winner.

  49. Oilanderp says:

    Clearly I need to go on vacation until the situation for the Oilers doesn’t look so bleak. 3 years enough? 4?

  50. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    I think the only things I would predict would be a move of Yak or Eberle and trading our #1 pick for a legitimate NHL talent (of course there will be more moves than this, but these are the material moves). This may not happen if the returns are not fulsome enough, but I don’t think MacT wants to wait for a new draft pick to potentially make an impact years down the road. We have overfed on high picks for awhile. Hockey trades are in order for balance – now.

  51. Bank Shot says:

    Let’s all quit penciling Marincin into the second pairing for next year. Sure he looks OK, but that’s mostly because of what he is being compared to.

    Last offseason the Oilers went with Justin Schultz as a big minute defender to start the season and we were out of the playoff picture by Halloween. Lets not repeat that mistake again.

    Get some old men on the D-core.

    Orpik/Markov-Petry
    Morris/Mitchell/Tallinder-Schultz
    Ference-Salo/Greene

    Keep Marincin on hand as a first call up. Klefbom gets another season to try and not get injured. Ekblad stays in the juniors.

    In this scenario the Oilers have a top six (except for Schultz) who can all follow a system and be counted on not to create chaos.

    The Oilers are once again going into a season with two unproven netminders. It’s not really something new in Oil city. With a D-core full of vets perhaps the Oilers will make it a bit easier on their unproven goalies for a change.

  52. Maverick says:

    Great interview with Dennis King this morning, man, he makes me chuckle with his comments about the Oilers.

    I’m sad to see Hemsky go, but wish him all the luck in the world.

    As for MacT, holy cow has he changed the roster and depth while being on the job for a year, craziness how brutal Tambellini was as a GM. MacTavish has his work cut out but looking back and doing a comparison of the depth and roster one year ago to now, lots of changes.

    The one thing I wanted to throw out there today was that this summer is the last of the Amnesty buy-outs for some teams. With the cap not going as high as expected some useful players might shake loose for MacT to scoop up. (Perhaps Brad Richards 2C?) Just a thought going forward to the summer months.

  53. Ducey says:

    Well, for those of you that thought that the Devils would never lose their first round pick as part of the Kovulchuk punishment, you were right.

    Lou drags it out for the full 3? years and then when its finally time for him to lose the pick, presto, Bettman does him a solid and reverses his ruling.

    Now the Devils pick is down graded to 30th. Its not tradable – at least this week.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=445439

  54. Bag of Pucks says:

    misfit:
    What I really want to know is that, given the cost of rentals yesterday, why weren’t we buyers?

    I mean, the chances of getting the player re-signed must be better than getting a player out of the collection of late round picks we’d be giving up.

    I think there’s two reasons for this.

    1) You want to bring up some deserving prospects like Pitlcik, Lander, Arco, Fedun, etc. and give them a change to make an impression since the season is basically toast now. It sends a bad message to your hard working prospects if you’d rather have 20 games of Matt Moulson over giving one of them a shot.

    2) The last 20% of this season is a death march now. Not the greatest culture/environment to bring in a pending UFA now and hope he’ll love arctic Edmonton so much he won’t want to shop the world. Honestly, I think this approach only works for the most desirable markets. There’s only so much hookers and blow Katz can throw at these guys in the next couple months before the novelty wears off ; )

  55. icecastles says:

    Hemsky’s Sail On comment thread ended at 183 comments. Fitting number.

    Delooper posted a question in yesterday’s thread so reposting my answer here, as it was likely missed yesterday (posted at 2am).

    delooper: There are Tatars in Ukraine. I wonder if many came to Canada during the great Ukrainian migration in the early 20th century.

    Yes. Crimea was home to many many many Tatars. Tatars and Cossacks are closely linked and Russia’s relationship with the Cossacks has been… tumultuous.

    Anyway, Stalin sent about a kazillion Tatars to the Gulags and repopulated Crimea with ethnic Russians. Many of the Tatars who tried to escape the purge ended up in Canada, though most of the immigration to Canada was actually western Ukrainians, who were most strongly affected by Stalin’s forced starvation of Ukraine.

    It’s worth noting that the the culture of Crimea has been more or less erased and rewritten at least a half dozen times throughout history. It’s the most bizarre, fascinating place you’ll ever visit. But don’t even think of going if you don’t speak Russian, or at least Ukrainian. Not the most welcoming folks.

    Did see a Hockey Canada sticker on a car in Simferopol though…

  56. Rondo says:

    Ducey,

    I think he knew this would happen since he used his draft pick in 2012 when NJ had the 29th pick. and they used it. That would of been the year NJ would forfeit it.

    The fix was in.

  57. Hall Awaits says:

    Hall / Nugent-Hopkins / Eberle
    Perron / Anisimov / Yakupov
    Winnik / Gordon / Kulemin
    Hendricks / Fiddler / Dorsett
    Gazdic, Arcobello

    Orpik / Schultz
    Cowen / Petry
    Ference / Ekblad
    Fedun

    Scrivens
    Fasth

    To OTT:
    Sam Gagner
    Martin Gernat

    To EDM:
    Jared Cowen

    To CBJ:
    Anton Lander
    Martin Marincin

    To EDM:
    Artem Anisimov

    To NYR:
    Tyler Pitlick
    6th Rounder 2016

    To EDM:
    Derek Dorsett

    UFA Signings:
    Brooks Orpik
    Nikolai Kulemin
    Daniel Winnik
    Vern Fiddler

    Draft:
    Aaron Ekblad (if you can)
    Otherwise I take the big German…

  58. Bag of Pucks says:

    Aside from Paul Stastny, who I hope the Oil make a full court press on, I’m not too high on this pending UFA crop.

    Once they deal Gagner, MacT will know the holes he has left to fill. At that point, I think his best option is to target potential salary dumps on other teams that he can trade prospects, picks or spare parts for, and then spend his cap space booty on. Players like Tyler Myers, Brian Campbell, Jason Spezza, Jason Garrison are the kind of players I would have the pro scouts looking at through the end of this season.

    If the Sabres are going full rebuild mode, Myers would seem an excellent candidate for a salary dump with someone like Gernat or Simpson going the other way.

  59. Rondo says:

    People see what they got for Hemsky and others and still believe they trade marginal players to get great players. Fans are funny , facts are thrown out the window.

  60. icecastles says:

    Bag of Pucks: Aside from Paul Stastny, who I hope the Oil make a full court press on, I’m not too high on this pending UFA crop.

    Ryan Whitney could be available. As could Dennis Grebeshkov.

    har dee har har

  61. Zangetsu says:

    Only trades we have one, or that has even been close in the last decade is perron and scrivens. Progress.
    I don’t know how you pick up ufas after how this season has gone. Hope for a better future has been all but vanquished in the minds of ufas. I would love to get penner back, but I think he knows the organization too well to want back in the circus.

  62. nycoil says:

    With all due respect, LT, I think your roster puts us in contention for McDavid unless Scrivens/Fasth keep up Scrivens’ current level of play all year. Think the sights need to be set higher, as some posters have already done (Kulemin, Stastny, etc.) if the team is to sniff the playoffs.

  63. russ99 says:

    Btw: IMO Petry jumps to #1D if we can’t make a move for a true #1 and end up signing or trading for the aforementioned #2 level options.

    I’d really like to see what he’s capable of with a quality D partner. That goes double for Justin and with a more sheltered role even-strength.

  64. delooper says:

    icecastles:
    It’s worth noting that the the culture of Crimea has been more or less erased and rewritten at least a half dozen times throughout history. It’s the most bizarre, fascinating place you’ll ever visit. But don’t even think of going if you don’t speak Russian, or at least Ukrainian. Not the most welcoming folks.

    Did see a Hockey Canada sticker on a car in Simferopol though…

    I had that impression with western Ukraine as well — bukovina and galicia in particular. I went to visit the village my father’s family came from. Other than ethnic ukrainians there were a few imports from other parts of the Soviet Union dating back to Stalin’s purges. Mostly baltic people, latvians, estonians and such.

    When my dad’s family moved to Canada they came from arguably the most ethnically diverse part of europe but now bukovina is quite homogenous. A village close to theirs is called “Tatariv”. But as far as I could tell all the Tatars were gone.

  65. delooper says:

    russ99:
    Btw: IMO Petry jumps to #1D if we can’t make a move for a true #1 and end up signing or trading for the aforementioned #2 level options.

    If Petry isn’t the oilers current #1, who is?

  66. russ99 says:

    If somehow we get to September and Gagner is on the team while Yak is not, then I’ll seriously question my level of fan commitment, since it will then be obvious that we’re run by blithering idiots at all levels, including GM.

  67. sliderule says:

    I think Macts plan is to get decent goaltending at the start of 2014-15 season and patch together a defence by committee much like Pens.
    The oiler forwards are playing much better defensively over last 10 games.They still make mistakes in coverage but they are putting on back pressure and not getting caught three deep.
    They will continue to improve and win enough so that Mact can make a trade of one or more of the forwards for an impact D or a centre from a position of strength rather than weakness.

  68. hoser313 says:

    Maverick:

    The one thing I wanted to throw out there today was that this summer is the last of the Amnesty buy-outs for some teams.With the cap not going as high as expected some useful players might shake loose for MacT to scoop up.(Perhaps Brad Richards 2C?) Just a thought going forward to the summer months.

    Interesting idea. Don’t think Richards shakes loose though – I think Rangers will want to give him one more year re-united with his old buddy Martin St. Louis.

  69. hoser313 says:

    Dee Dee:
    So the Oil took their bad team and made it even worse in order to free up salary to load up for next year, that’s the plan I guess.

    It’s going to make for some God awful hockey for the rest of this season, they’re going to win, what, 4 games maybe?

    I sure hope so. After this much pain, I don’t want to see a late season charge past Calgary, NYI or anyone else.

    Where’s those long-promised AHL call-ups? Can’t we give Brossoit a game or two while we’re at it. If Ference is still injured, he should be sitting to recover.

  70. nesral says:

    not sure if Lowetide will actually read this but,

    I was under the impression that the oilers were getting better, I always read and love the warm and fuzzy feeling of looking at our positive record recently. Too bad it turns out to be a croc of shit. Since December 1st (leaving out the horrible start the oilers had) we have … the same number of points as buffalo to tie for dead last

    Ducks 25-7-2 52pts
    Penguins 23-7-3 49pts
    Blues 23-10-3 49pts
    Avalanche 21-11-5 47pts
    Sharks 21-14-2 46pts
    Blue Jacket 22-11-2 46pts
    Flyers 21-12-4 46pts
    Bruins 21-10-3 45pts
    Canadiens 20-13-4 44pts
    Maple Leafs 19-13-5 43pts
    NY Rangers 19-13-4 42pts
    Lightning 18-14-4 42pts
    Stars 18-14-6 42pts
    Hawks 16-9-10 42pts
    Senators 17-12-7 41pts
    Devils 16-12-8 40pts
    Wild 19-13-2 40pts
    Kings 19-15-2 40pts
    Jets 18-14-3 39pts
    Hurricanes 17-14-4 38pts
    Capitals 15-13-8 38pts
    NY Islanders 16-17-3 35pts
    Panthers 16-17-2 34pts
    Coyotes 13-16-7 33pts
    Red Wings 14-14-5 33pts
    Predators 13-15-7 33pts
    Canucks 14-16-5 33pts
    Flames 15-18-3 33pts
    Sabres 12-15-6 30pts
    Oilers 12-17-6 30pts

    Not only that but it doesn’t look like our division is that tough anymore

  71. delooper says:

    hoser313:
    Where’s those long-promised AHL call-ups?Can’t we give Brossoit a game or two while we’re at it.If Ference is still injured, he should be sitting to recover.

    With the AHL club fighting for a playoff spot it sound like they’ll let them stay in the AHL.

  72. Bank Shot says:

    hoser313: I sure hope so.After this much pain, I don’t want to see a late season charge past Calgary, NYI or anyone else.

    Where’s those long-promised AHL call-ups?Can’t we give Brossoit a game or two while we’re at it.If Ference is still injured, he should be sitting to recover.

    On the brightside, all of the top 3 forwards in this draft are outproducing Nugent-Hopkins in his draft year so even if the Oilers falter in their drive for second last place, they should get a good top six NHLer at the minimum f they can manage to hang in the bottom four.

    That shouldn’t be too hard to pull off.

  73. Spydyr says:

    What return do you expect for twenty some games of Hemsky?

    To the people here putting out lists of free agents to sign, how many would even consider signing here.

    It is not like because you think he would be a good fit here he will sign here.

    This team is walking in the desert and will be for at least 2-3 more years.

  74. Fish82 says:

    Anyone complaining about the Devils forfeit pick being “downgraded”, doesn’t actually matter for any other team. It’s a PR move for the devils fans so they don’t have to look back at losing “a top ten”, because it’s only a “30th pick”. The Devils lose out on what would have been the top ten, and the 11th picking team would still be the “10th best player”, just like they do now. It’s an academic move that changes nothing except the Devil fans perception of LOU going forward.

  75. vangolf says:

    A couple of thoughts:

    1. For all the whining about management/ownership, I am impressed that Katz went out and authorized buying a couple of draft picks for real money. How so? Assume Hemsky does not have negative value (ie., he could have been traded for future considerations/7th round pick and the Oilers retain no salary). Because 2.5M was retained and prorating that over the remaining 22 games, Katz effectively paid $650K for a 3rd round pick and a 5th. That is nice commitment.

    2. My fellow posters, please stop with insane proposals. Yak doesn’t get you Subban, Lander + Klefbom doesn’t get you Staal, etc. These proposal are best left to HF Boards.

    3. Sorry LT, yesterday was not one of the hardest days in Oiler fandom. Hemsky was great 5 years ago. It is time to turn the page and wish him good luck. For a blog that prides itself on objective analysis, your subjectivity and sentimentality for what Ales was is out of place and misplaced. We are a 29th place team and a sub 0.5 ppg player is not as important to our future success as some would like to think.

  76. Pouzar says:

    Bank Shot:
    Let’s all quit penciling Marincin into the second pairing for next year. Sure he looks OK, butthat’s mostly because of what he is being compared to.

    Last offseason the Oilers went with Justin Schultz as a big minute defender to start the season and we were out of the playoff picture by Halloween. Lets not repeat that mistake again.

    Get some old men on the D-core.

    Orpik/Markov-Petry
    Morris/Mitchell/Tallinder-Schultz
    Ference-Salo/Greene

    Keep Marincin on hand as a first call up. Klefbom gets another season to try and not get injured. Ekblad stays in the juniors.

    In this scenario the Oilers have a top six (except for Schultz) who can all follow a system and be counted on not to create chaos.

    The Oilers are once again going into a season with two unproven netminders. It’s not really something new in Oil city. With a D-core full of vets perhaps the Oilers will make it a bit easier on their unproven goalies for a change.

    Marincin as a callup? Really? You expect him to get weaker and skinnier in the offseason?
    Last I checked he was Big Blue bubbles in upper left.

    *puzzled*

  77. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    delooper: With the AHL club fighting for a playoff spot it sound like they’ll let them stay in the AHL.

    MacT said as much the other day:

    They’re in a playoff race now, they’ve played very well the last little while so it really is a discussion on how long we’re going to let them try and keep themselves in the race or maybe get themselves in the playoffs and then the benefit of getting them ultimately up here and have a look and give them some experience.

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=26833

  78. B S says:

    I liked Hemsky, never got the “soft” narrative, definitely understood the “enigmatic” moniker, but I’m glad he’s gone, with the assumption that he’ll be replaced by a player more suited to the 3rd line, and a chance to show what he’s got offensively now that he’s on a first line again. Tuesday night was a great example of his career. Went out, put on a show, and yet I can’t help feeling hollow that he came up short of a hat-trick (only has one in his career btw). Disappointed by his greatness.

    Tuesday night was fun to watch, but hard to listen to on SNO. Hall made on dumb (incredibly dumb) play in the first, the Oilers had a hard time getting out of their zone, and much to my amusement the Ontario commentary’s theme was how the Oilers weren’t playing how Eakins wanted them to. I hate to break it to you guys, but yes, Eakins does want his players to overload around the puck and leave your best shooter open in the slot. This is the system they played after TC, it’s the system they’re playing after the Olympic break. We really need some assistant coaches to help Eakins with the systems (wait, I thought that was Krueger’s problem, why did we hire Eakins again?).

    On the positive notes: Lost in the tears shed over Hemsky’s last game I think a lot of posters passed over some really nice moments in the last two periods.

    On Hemsky’s second goal Hall provided a perfect screen. This seems like a minor point, but to date Hall has typically played along the boards and behind the net, leaving Gags, RNH, or Ebs to crash the crease or provide the screen. I would love to see Hall take the Ryan Smyth seat more often.

    Petry played a hardnosed game (that none of those meatheads in the MSM picked up on), while giving up very little in terms of chances. He does this a lot more often than he is given credit for, but the Ottawa feed was showing highlights of a couple of his THUNDEROUS BODYCHECKS. I wish those assh@ts in Edmonton would do the same.

    Finally, my favourite player of the game (yes, over Hemsky) was Yakupov. He was engaged in the play all game and made a couple of spectacular back checks down the length of the ice to cover a player on Scriven’s open side. Yakupov wants to play hockey, he kisses the Oil Drop when he scores, and he’s trying to play at both ends of the ice. I don’t usually use all caps, let alone twice in one post, but DON’T TRADE YAKUPOV!

    I love Eberle, I have his name on the back of my Oilers shirt, I’ve followed him since he was in Junior and cheered when the Oil drafted him. The kid is a big game player. I wouldn’t trade Eberle for less than Subban, but I wouldn’t trade Yakupov for Subban, Petriangelo, or Weber, or . That little russian kid is a keeper.

  79. Pouzar says:

    B S,

    You mean Yakupov of 15% CF?

    I just don’t see it with this kid. I really don’t. Hope I am wrong.

    I am the only guy here who trade 10 Yaks before Eberle.
    Eberle scored the winner and had the puck on his stick the whole 3rd period to the tune of 55% CF.

  80. theres oil in virginia says:

    B S: On the positive notes: Lost in the tears shed over Hemsky’s last game I think a lot of posters passed over some really nice moments in the last two periods.
    On Hemsky’s second goal Hall provided a perfect screen. This seems like a minor point, but to date Hall has typically played along the boards and behind the net, leaving Gags, RNH, or Ebs to crash the crease or provide the screen. I would love to see Hall take the Ryan Smyth seat more often.

    That didn’t go entirely unnoticed. I commented on that and the screen Eberle provided for Perron the game before. Then Pouzar *yelled* at me for hating on Eberle. It was traumatic. (I’m just being silly Pouzar.) ;)

  81. russ99 says:

    Spydyr:

    To the people here putting out lists of free agents to sign, how many would even consider signing here.

    It is not like because you think he would be a good fit here he will sign here.

    I don’t see us chasing after the top FA’s, outside of for 2nd center and 2nd defenseman, and it’s obvious we’ll have to overbid on those guys to get in the conversation.

    And contrary to popular opinion, the mid to lower level UFAs don’t sign based on location, they pay attention to one thing – money and term. And we have a ton to throw around on the right players.

    Not saying we’ll get all our targets, but again, other than putting a full-court press on getting one each of the 2C and 2D targets, there’s lots of decent quality NHL veterans to go around.

    And frankly, that’s what we need the most to take the next step: decent quality NHL veterans, and not just two of them like last summer.

  82. Pouzar says:

    theres oil in virginia: That didn’t go entirely unnoticed.I commented on that and the screen Eberle provided for Perron the game before.Then Pouzar *yelled* at me for hating on Eberle.It was traumatic.(I’m just being silly Pouzar.)

    I know…I see RED when it comes to Ebs :)

  83. anonymous says:

    I can’t see any big name free agent signing considering another basement finish. Any that does will be so overpaid the pitchforks will be out in no time. Trades are the way to go. Package up picks, prospects and maybe an rfa.

    Bring in a veteran coach who can coach the team he has. The Oilers are built for offence, losing trades to suit Eakins is stupid.

  84. ashley says:

    Every team’s fans try to see the positive after a trade. It’s admirable and a good way to look at life, to be sure.

    Common rationalizations we hear after a valuable player leaves town: “We get younger and save cap space”, “He wasn’t going to sign, so best to get something for him”, “That’s all he was worth”.

    That’s great if you believe in all that. I wish I could. The reality is that we just sent a high quality real NHL player out the door for virtually nothing. One of our finest roster players.

    There is always a chance of signing a player if you make a commitment to him. The team with the best chance of signing an UFA is the team where the player just played.

    A little discussion and finesse, and we have Hemsky for 3M x 2. Worst case scenerio after that is that he is an electrifying, 2-way third line RW. That’s 3L money.

    He built a house in our town. He’s 30yo. He likes the city and the people. He’s said as much many times in the past.

    What are the chances of Hemsky ever signing here again after we send him out the door for peanuts at trade deadline? Much less than the odds were yesterday, if not zero.

    I’m fine with trying to get some value for a quality impending UFA that is planning to test the market. That’s good asset management. But there has to be some sort of value.

    To give some perspective on the value at this trade deadline: Penner fetched a first rounder, a prospect, and a third rounder in 2011. Mike Brown, a face puncher with no NHL skills, got a 3rd rounder mid season. A third round pick is used just to get the rights to talk to a pending UFA on June 28.

    If I were MacT observing the marketplace at this deadline, I would have sat on my hands. Out of respect for the player. Out of respect for the fans. And for the chance that the bridge could be rebuilt to bring him back into the fold. All of that is worth more than a 3rd and a 5th.

    Get good players. Get tired of good players. Dump good players.

    Terrible trade no matter how it’s spun.

  85. B S says:

    Pouzar:
    B S,

    You mean Yakupov of 15% CF?

    I just don’t see it with this kid. I really don’t. Hope I am wrong.

    I am the only guy here who trade 10 Yaks before Eberle.
    Eberle scored the winner and had the puck on his stick the whole 3rd period to the tune of 55% CF.

    I mean the Yakupov who fed a flying hemsky for the Oilers’ first goal of the game. The same player who (yet again) turned the puck over at the opposing blue line, but this time dogged the other player until they had to play it back to their own D. The player who also skated from the opposing zone full tilt to cover a player in prime scoring position, before that opposing player got into position. Yak isn’t perfect by any measure, but he’s trying to get there and he’s putting in the effort. I can’t see the value in trading away a kid who can score like he can, and play a defensively responsible game.

    As I said before, I love Eberle, I don’t get the readiness of so many posters to trade him (WG I’m looking at you), I mean of course he has value, possibly because he’s a damn good player, and his defensive play is criminally underrated (no it isn’t the second coming of Datsyuk, but some people would have you believe he plays like Gagner). He’s precisely the kind of cold-blooded killer this team will need to win big games. My point was that I can actually conceive of a trade where I would consider it fair value for him. I’m not convinced there is one available for Yakupov.

    theres oil in virginia: That didn’t go entirely unnoticed.I commented on that and the screen Eberle provided for Perron the game before.Then Pouzar *yelled* at me for hating on Eberle.It was traumatic.(I’m just being silly Pouzar.)

    Sorry ’bout that TOIV, I read the thread that night while grading papers, must have missed your comment.

    On an unrelated note, does anyone know if Ference was on for the Goal Against on the penalty kill last night?

  86. Bank Shot says:

    Pouzar: Marincin as a callup? Really? You expect him to get weaker and skinnier in the offseason?
    Last I checked he was Big Blue bubbles in upper left.

    *puzzled*

    Do you think Marinicin is better than a guy like Sami Salo? If you can get a player like that for your third pairing you do it, and let Marinicin develop some more.

    Lots of Oilers rookies have had good relative corsis over the years. Pouliot, Nilsson, Omark, etc.
    Marincin has a decent 25 games and people are throwing him on the second pairing to start the season. Let him grow his offensive game in the minors for one more half season. The Oilers will have injuries and then you can trade a vet if Marincin forces the issue with more good play.

    I’m so sick of seeing the Oilers go into seasons with untested youth as Plan A.

    Have your Joensus and your Marinicins and Klefboms and Landers as the backup plan. It’s almost always easier to make space later rather then try to fill holes from a position of weakness.

  87. BONVIE says:

    Pouzar: Marincin as a callup? Really? You expect him to get weaker and skinnier in the offseason?
    Last I checked he was Big Blue bubbles in upper left.

    *puzzled*

    No kidding!!! We need one top pair D man(has to be via trade), and then a top four veteran(via free agency), if there is nobody decent available to play top 4 I would rather them not fill it via free agency, because we don’t need any more veteran bottom pair defenseman. All of our good young guys Marincin, and Shultz need to play with veterans. The top pair D man we pick up via trade should play with either Marincin or Shultz or Petry.

  88. Jasmine says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    No to Offer Sheets. Oilers will not tender an Offer Sheet. We saw what happened last time when EIG forced Lowe into those Offer Sheets.

  89. Woodguy says:

    Michael Russo ‏@Russostrib 2m
    Bryzgalov said his first #mnwild practice was difficult because it was a “way faster pace” than he’s used to in Edmonton

    Smid said the same thing when he went to Calgary.

    The old adage is that you play like your practice.

    *checks standings*

    Yup

  90. hoser313 says:

    ashley:
    Every team’s fans try to see the positive after a trade.It’s admirable and a good way to look at life, to be sure.

    Common rationalizations we hear after a valuable player leaves town: “We get younger and save cap space”, “He wasn’t going to sign, so best to get something for him”, “That’s all he was worth”.

    That’s great if you believe in all that.I wish I could.The reality is that we just sent a high quality real NHL player out the door for virtually nothing.One of our finest roster players.

    There is always a chance of signing a player if you make a commitment to him.The team with the best chance of signing an UFA is the team where the player just played.

    A little discussion and finesse, and we have Hemsky for 3M x 2.Worst case scenerio after that is that he is an electrifying, 2-way third line RW.That’s 3L money.

    He built a house in our town.He’s 30yo.He likes the city and the people.He’s said as much many times in the past.

    Some of these are good points but unfortunately Hemsky wanted out to get better ice time. He was quoted in recent pressers as ‘wanting a change’ and looking forward to playing on the first line with Hall because that was ‘his game’.

    He is still a bona fide top 6 forward (see Olympics) and wants to be paid like one. Difficult to fault him for that.

    Personally, I think there is a chance he comes back in a few years when his playing level really does diminish down to a 3rd line level and then he might accept less cash.

  91. emonkee says:

    Woodguy,

    I thought Eakins is all about conditioning….wonder why our pace is still so slow compared to other teams…

  92. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy:
    Michael Russo ‏@Russostrib2m
    Bryzgalov said his first #mnwild practice was difficult because it was a “way faster pace” than he’s used to in Edmonton

    Smid said the same thing when he went to Calgary.

    The old adage is that you play like your practice.

    *checks standings*

    Yup

    And, as Jeff Chapman noted no twitter… Trotz said Dubnyk had “bad habits”

    Still could be nothing, but I’d push Eakins on this if I was in the press corps. He’ll probably get defensive, stew on it, internalize it and drive them harder. might be a good thing. might be terrible.

  93. book¡je says:

    Jasmine:
    Caramel Obvious,

    No to Offer Sheets. Oilers will not tender an Offer Sheet. We saw what happened last time when EIG forced Lowe into those Offer Sheets.

    Does anyone else envision Jasmine as looking like this?

  94. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    daveweigel ‏@daveweigel 1m
    Every time you livetweet a Donald Trump speech, God kills a corgi.

  95. stevezie says:

    Jasmine,

    What did we see?

  96. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Jasmine,

    I don’t think this should be brushed away so quickly. If a Subban is still possible as an offer sheet target, would it make sense to keep this years pick (1 or 2 overall), then offer sheet Subban and give up future 1st rd picks? You can always do trades later to pick up high round picks if required. But the chance to nab a hard core center like Bennett or Reinhart this year via draft and concurrently take a Norris level defenseman while you have Nurse bubbling along seems like setting the team up full stop for the next decade. If ever a team was in a situation to risk an offer sheet scenario, aren’t the Oilers of right now that team?

  97. book¡je says:

    stevezie:
    Jasmine,

    What did we see?

    This guy

    http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg

    maybe the link didn’t work

  98. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    There’s an alternative universe in which Jasmine and DessF are caught in a feedback loop of terrible.

  99. Lois Lowe says:

    Isn’t it the assistants who generally run practices? I seem to recall Eakins saying something like that.

  100. Pouzar says:

    Bank Shot: Do you think Marinicin is better than a guy like Sami Salo? If you can get a player like that for your third pairing you do it, and let Marinicin develop some more.

    Lots of Oilers rookies have had good relative corsis over the years. Pouliot, Nilsson, Omark, etc.
    Marincin has a decent 25 games and people are throwing him on the second pairing to start the season. Let him grow his offensive game in the minors for one more half season. The Oilers will have injuries and then you can trade a vet if Marincin forces the issue with more good play.

    I’m so sick of seeing the Oilers go into seasons with untested youth as Plan A.

    Have your Joensus and your Marinicins and Klefboms and Landers as the backup plan. It’s almost always easier to make space later rather then try to fill holes from a position of weakness.

    He’s a Plus Corsi player right now nevermind Corsi Rel playing tough competition with tough zone starts. I really don’t what else to tell you…the kid is a player. You wanna destroy him then tell him next year he’s going to OKC.

    If he falls off a cliff in the next 20 games then yeah I agree with you but if he keeps doing what he’s doing ( or even 80% of it) then he’s on the team next year.

  101. RexLibris says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Isn’t it the assistants who generally run practices? I seem to recall Eakins saying something like that.

    Just one more reason to change things up this off-season.

  102. godot10 says:

    G Money:

    We did not trade Hemsky for a 36% chance of an NHL player.We traded 20 (meaningless) games of Hemsky for a 36% chance of getting an NHL player.

    It is a trade of guaranteed-100%-no-value for 64%-chance-of-no-value.

    Hemsky was traded for a 36% chance of an NHL Player.

    And

    36% (give or take a percent or two) of an NHL Player was traded for Fasth.

    Which nets out to Hemsky for Fasth.

    The draft pick was only a medium of exchange in this case. It’s “intrinsic” value of 36% of an NHL player did not matter. If you flip your bitcoin quickly enough, one does not have to worry about the intrinsic value of a bitcoin.

    MacT’s MBA education was put to some good use, recognizing the multiple uses of a draft pick. The statheads have to stop navel-gazing.

  103. rickithebear says:

    nesral: I was under the impression that the oilers were getting better

    Not since Dec.1:
    Try a healthy Gagner and Bryz added.
    From November 16:

    Versus The East
    13GM 8W-3L-2OTL
    2 of the losses were to Boston.

    Versus the west
    29 GM 9W – 16L – 4OTL

    Versus ANA, LAK, SJS, CHI, STL, MIN, PHX, VCR
    17 GM 2W – 14L – 1 OTL

    Versus
    CGY 2W-2OTL
    NSH 2W – 0L
    WPG 1W – 1OTL
    COL 1W – 1L
    DAL 1W – 1L

    5W – 2L – 3OTL

  104. Bank Shot says:

    Pouzar: He’s a Plus Corsi player right now nevermind Corsi Rel playing tough competition with tough zone starts. I really don’t what else to tell you…the kid is a player. You wanna destroy him then tell him next year he’s going to OKC.

    If he falls off a cliff in the next 20 games then yeah I agree with you but if he keeps doing what he’s doing ( or even 80% of it) then he’s on the team next year.

    Which do you think is more likely?

    Marinicin is a dominant NHL defenseman right now.

    Coaching effects/luck

    I know which one I’m going with. If getting sent back to the AHL destroys Marincin then he wasn’t worth talking about in the first place. He likely wouldn’t even be in the NHL now if the Oilers had a good team.

    I could live with him on the third pairing to start next season, but if he starts on the second or higher we may as well write another season off.

  105. sliderule says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Isn’t it the assistants who generally run practices? I seem to recall Eakins saying something like that.

    I am of the view that both Bucky and Smith should be replaced but in fairness if you are trying to teach you have to have a fair amount of stoping and explaining.
    A veteran team would be doing a lot less teaching and more fast paced drills.

  106. RexLibris says:

    Bank Shot: Which do you think is more likely?

    Marinicin is a dominant NHL defenseman right now.

    Coaching effects/luck

    I know which one I’m going with. If getting sent back to the AHL destroys Marincin then he wasn’t worth talking about in the first place. He likely wouldn’t even be in the NHL now if the Oilers had a good team.

    I could live with him on the third pairing to start next season, but if he starts on the second or higher we may as well write another season off.

    With memories of Tom Gilbert breaking Paul Coffey’s record still fresh in my memory, and despite being a very strong fan of Marincin, I agree.

    This team needs to plan for Marincin to be the 3rd pairing defender rather than plan for Marincin to be a capable or above average 2nd pairing defender.

    Put the onus on management and work towards the kind of depth that pushes players to or slightly below their optimum level of ability.

    If throwing a retirement contract at Markov is what it takes, then so be it. So long as they stay clear of NMCs and the like, two years at $4 or something in the range is fine by me.

    Because he’s Markov and would then be an Oiler he’d just end up blowing out his knee in the Joey Moss Cup anyway, so why not at least pretend that we are going to try and get better.

  107. Ducey says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Isn’t it the assistants who generally run practices? I seem to recall Eakins saying something like that.

    I believe the assistants run the game day morning skates. Eakins runs the normal practices.

    Now that “last on, first off” Ales is gone the practices should become more useful :)

  108. RexLibris says:

    sliderule: I am of the view that both Bucky and Smith should be replaced but in fairness if you are trying to teach you have to have a fair amount of stoping and explaining.
    A veteran team would be doing a lot less teaching and more fast paced drills.

    True. Mind you, based on the results of many of the areas of play we believe are their (Buchberger and Smith) purview, the hours of instruction don’t appear to be taking hold.

    I loved these two as players and if Smith or Buchberger want to become pro scouts or move on to coaching jobs elsewhere I fully respect that. However I also believe that just as Tambellini fired the training staff in 2010 over the appearance of having become comfortable or being part of a culture of losing, the time has come for change in the assistant coaching area.

    Where I’m on the fence is with Acton. Haven’t heard a thing about him as coach, either in his duties or role.

    I hope the Oilers can find a way to bring Huddy back as defensive coach.

  109. Bag of Pucks says:

    Would anyone on the board be satisfied if MacT traded Gagner for 2nd and 3rd round picks to replace the ones they don’t have for the upcoming draft?

    Given the contract and his defensive and faceoff deficiencies, I honestly believe Gagner has negative market value. IF the team could trade him for more bullets and then the big IF, sign Stastny to play 2C., that seems an immediate upgrade to these eyes?

    The big issue with Gagner I think is the draft is likely shaping up as the best environment to deal him, and they’ll have to do so not knowing if they can feasibly land his replacement in free agency.

  110. delooper says:

    If they could sign Statsny they could trade Gagner for picks in the 2015 draft. There’d be far less of a rush on the drafting front.

  111. Pouzar says:

    Bank Shot: Which do you think is more likely?

    Marinicin is a dominant NHL defenseman right now.

    Coaching effects/luck

    I know which one I’m going with. If getting sent back to the AHL destroys Marincin then he wasn’t worth talking about in the first place. He likely wouldn’t even be in the NHL now if the Oilers had a good team.

    I could live with him on the third pairing to start next season, but if he starts on the second or higher we may as well write another season off.

    You think he should he be in the AHL next year. The burden of proof is on you. It’s cut and dry for me providing he doesn’t crash and burn due to fatigue which is entirely possible due to his physical limitations.
    I really see no argument for him going to the AHL next year on this current trajectory.

  112. VOR says:

    On a day when Oilers’ fans again seem trapped in the pit of despond and we all grow increasingly certain the Oilers will screw up as badly in free agency as they just did at the trade deadline I’d like to take a moment to share the story of Guy.

    At the time our story opens Guy was exactly the sort of player the Oilers always sign in free agency.

    He was:
    - a faded hometown hero,
    - an ex-Oil King
    - a charter member of the old boy’s club
    - of average size, more or less
    - not blessed with fabulous foot speed
    - not overly physical
    - a nice guy with great intangibles
    - injured a lot
    Guy certainly sounds like an Oiler all right.

    But wait, it gets better.

    Rushed into the NHL far too young by the New York Rangers Guy responded with some impulse control issues. These culminated when he leapt on to the ice and launched a lethal shoulder check at one of the game’s greatest superstars who had no reason to expect there was a 6th skater on in the ice. Frank Mahovlich was in full flight when Guy`s shoulder caught him square in the chest. It is to this day one of the scariest and dirtiest hits in the long sordid history of NHL head hunters. Mahovlich went down like he had been shot and didn’t get back up. Mercifully he survived and thrived.

    Now you`d get suspended for a very long time for a play like that. Back then not so much. But it was the final nail in the rookie’s coffin. The Rangers had a great emerging offensive D-man in Brad Park. They didn’t need some kid with poor defensive zone coverage and a lunatic streak no matter how much offense he brought to the team.

    Guy got a ticket to the minors where he would wander in the wilderness for several years. Remarkably, given the hit that had led to his career being in jeopardy, in the minors Guy built a unique reputation as a gentleman. He became Mr. Nice Guy. Instead of focussing on putting up points and getting back to the NHL Guy became the sort of player who lifted other players up where they belonged. Soon his bio read: great person, great team-mate, great in the community, great with the media, career minor leaguer.

    However, back then teams valued intangibles and eventually being a complete team player and superb leader with a fabulous work ethic was enough to get Guy another chance to play in the NHL. He stunned everyone and managed to hold on as a 7th D on a pretty good Rangers team. Not that he became famous or anything close to it. He only had 5 points in 59 games but at least he was in the NHL. The Expansion Draft moved him up to 3D or sometimes 5D on a very bad team, the Buffalo Sabres, where he still didn’t exactly tear it up. Let’s be kind and say there were nights the Corgis chased him around the ice.

    Then the Oilers signed him. I am too young to remember but it seems unlikely any fan breathed a great sigh of relief and said, “Now we finally have the 1D and the team leader we so desperately need.” Though of course that was exactly what the Oilers had acquired when they signed Guy.

    From the first game the Oilers played in the WHA to the very last Guy played 1D and was the ultimate Oiler. Amongst WHA players he was 13th in games played, 15th in assists, and 40th in points, and was arguably the best D-man in the history of the WHA. Guy wasn’t just a star. He was the sort of player who left everything on the ice and then reached deeper and found another gear and in those early brutal years Guy made watching the Oilers play an absolute pleasure. Eventually he’d lead the Oilers to the finals of the AVCO Cup.

    As this year has worn on and it has become so obvious the Oilers only hope of returning to competitive NHL hockey is to somehow, miraculously, stumble upon a 1D I have lost heart and hope. Then the other night I looked up in the rafters of Rexall Place and saw the #3 hanging there and thought of Allan Guy Hamilton for the first time in years. It is apparent the Oilers signed him for the wrong reason, to sell tickets, but in him they found their heart and soul. Wouldn’t it be great if the Oilers reached into the pile of mediocre free agent defenseman available this year and found one just like him?

  113. nesral says:

    RICKITHEBEAR

    I was commenting on the disappointment that I felt when I discovered that the atrocious goaltending and the lack of Gagner was to blame for how the season was over, was actually not true. Since those “problems” have been recitfied we are still terrible. I (like everyone else) have been reading about how the ship is being righted, and “although the advanced stats are bad we are starting to win”.

    In reality we have not seen any progress in wins and losses and we have been getting decent goaltending.

    I don’t have any solutions or suggestions, I was merely shocked that what I had been led to believe, (progress was happening) was in fact not true.

  114. Ryan says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Would anyone on the board be satisfied if MacT traded Gagner for 2nd and 3rd round picks to replace the ones they don’t have for the upcoming draft?

    Given the contract and his defensive and faceoff deficiencies, I honestly believe Gagner has negative market value. IF the team could trade him for more bullets and then the big IF, sign Stastny to play 2C., that seems an immediate upgrade to these eyes?

    The big issue with Gagner I think is the draft is likely shaping up as the best environment to deal him, and they’ll have to do so not knowing if they can feasibly land his replacement in free agency.

    I’m not going to say that Sastny won’t sign here, but the market for a 26-old-center who’s a 20+ goal scorer will be pretty hot.

    If my name were Paul Stastny and I were headed to free agency this summer, the only thing on my mind would be, “show me the money” because the alternatives to Stastny are few and poor.

  115. Pouzar says:

    Ryan: I’m not going to say that Sastny won’t sign here, but the market for a 26-old-center who’s a 20+ goal scorer will be pretty hot.

    If my name were Paul Stastny and I were headed to free agency this summer, the only thing on my mind would be, “show me the money” because the alternatives to Stastny are few and poor.

    BBBIULQ :)

    Love Stastny

  116. VanOil says:

    Good players are hard to find. Top end D and Top end Centers are the rarest finds. D take longer to develop than Forwards. Young forwards are easier to project.

    This years draft, like most, has more sure fire C than D.

    From this I would chose to trade away Gagner and D prospects, or next years first, for a player with top end D potential like Myers, Kulikov, Buff, Ehrhoff. (I prefer the emerging guy’s to the old guy’s) then I would draft a C. Reinhart if available.

    Ekblad may play in the NHL next year but will likely be an RFA to UFA before he lives up to his potential, if at all.

    The best UFA forwards available, that are likely to be had with out a big overpay, are Hemsky and Penner. They are not coming back. The most likely UFA D that would not be a overpay is Nikitin, but he is more of a bottom pair placement holder until the prospect develop than a top end guy.

    RFA’s through offer sheets or trades seem to be the best bet on fixing the Oilers D as the Draft won’t deliver for years and the UFA’s might be boat anchors for years.

  117. Bag of Pucks says:

    Ryan:

    If my name were Paul Stastny and I were headed to free agency this summer, the only thing on my mind would be, “show me the money” because the alternatives to Stastny are few and poor.

    Yep, he could be this year’s Clarkson cautionary tale. MacT does have the cap space and a burning need at 2C though. Still sux that we missed out on Monahan.

  118. Bag of Pucks says:

    The problem with offer sheets is giving up picks in a deep draft in 2016, one that includes McDavid, no?

  119. VanOil says:

    RexLibris:
    I hope the Oilers can find a way to bring Huddy back as defensive coach.

    Gagner and Smith for Buff and Huddy?

  120. Pouzar says:

    VanOil: Gagner and Smith for Buff and Huddy?

    We would need to add to that….give em Buchy too.

  121. Hammers says:

    RexLibris: With memories of Tom Gilbert breaking Paul Coffey’s record still fresh in my memory, and despite being a very strong fan of Marincin, I agree.

    This team needs to plan for Marincin to be the 3rd pairing defender rather than plan for Marincin to be a capable or above average 2nd pairing defender.

    Put the onus on management and work towards the kind of depth that pushes players to or slightly below their optimum level of ability.

    If throwing a retirement contract at Markov is what it takes, then so be it. So long as they stay clear of NMCs and the like, two years at $4 or something in the range is fine by me.

    Because he’s Markov and would then be an Oiler he’d just end up blowing out his knee in the Joey Moss Cup anyway, so why not at least pretend that we are going to try and get better.

    Why would Markov take $4 mill from us when Montreal offered $6 mill . Surely you guys can come up with better ideas .

  122. HugThePost says:

    Woodguy:
    Michael Russo ‏@Russostrib2m
    Bryzgalov said his first #mnwild practice was difficult because it was a “way faster pace” than he’s used to in Edmonton

    Smid said the same thing when he went to Calgary.

    The old adage is that you play like your practice.

    *checks standings*

    Yup

    The comments from Smid, Bryz and Trotz are all big plumes of smoke all coming from the raging mess that is the Oilers. I really do hope this drives the team to look at how they conduct themselves. I really hope there isn’t so much pride on Eakins’, MacT or any of the other coaches/managers that they can’t take that long sobering look at themselves and maybe even ask the guys who have come from the outside (Hendricks, Ference, Gordon, Scrivens) what they think about how things are run?

    I hope, but I won’t be surprised if nothing comes of this.

    Good lord; you would think sitting at the bottom of the league for years on end and not moving anywhere would lead people to start turning over every stone possible to right things.

  123. Bag of Pucks says:

    VOR, nice post on Al Hamilton. Towards the end, I was sure it was going to finish with Hamilton rescuing some kids from a burning schoolhouse then fighting a grizzly with his bare hands ; )

    I think MacT was hoping that Belov was going to be his Russian Al Hamilton find. 1D is definitely becoming the white whale for this team.

    Guess we’ve all given up on J Schultz being that guy?

  124. prairieschooner says:

    Coach Eakins can only work with the tools he has been given.
    Marincin has done extremely well playing alongside Jeff Petry.
    I would be better for his development if he was not required to do the heavy lifting at this point in his career.
    It is Mact’s job to push MM down the depth chart

  125. stevezie says:

    godot10: Hemsky was traded for a 36% chance of an NHL Player.

    And

    36% (give or take a percent or two) of an NHL Player was traded for Fasth.

    Which nets out to Hemsky for Fasth.

    The draft pick was only a medium of exchange in this case.It’s “intrinsic” value of 36% of an NHL player did not matter.If you flip your bitcoin quickly enough, one does not have to worry about the intrinsic value of a bitcoin.

    MacT’s MBA education was put to some good use, recognizing the multiple uses of a draft pick. The statheads have to stop navel-gazing.

    This is correct.

  126. Lowetide says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Would anyone on the board be satisfied if MacT traded Gagner for 2nd and 3rd round picks to replace the ones they don’t have for the upcoming draft?

    I’m not sure about the specific value, but your post correctly points out that Gagner (currently) qualifies as a small L Luongo player. Getting the contract off the books has value, and teams will know this. Gagner’s value is probably so low now that Edmonton has to at least think about a player for picks or lesser prospects option.

  127. Bag of Pucks says:

    It’s not just the statheads navel-gazing on this. Gregor was railing away yesterday about the fact that this trade immediately makes the Oilers a worse hockey team. Does Gregor realize the Oil are 29th overall? What’s his concern, that trading Hemsky pushes us to the dreaded 30 slot?

    Really annoying that some people just cant’ grasp the fact that it’s a 3rd & a 5th for 20 games of Ales Hemsky. Some are acting like that’s the return for the entire 12 year legacy of Hemmer. That’s fandom in a nutshell I guess.

  128. prairieschooner says:

    People come on!
    The Edmonton Oilers are a multi million dollar sports franchise.
    They do not ask players what skills drills and fitness protocols they used at their previous clubs.
    It is way more scientific than that

    Right?

  129. Lowetide says:

    godot10: Hemsky was traded for a 36% chance of an NHL Player.

    And

    36% (give or take a percent or two) of an NHL Player was traded for Fasth.

    Which nets out to Hemsky for Fasth.

    The draft pick was only a medium of exchange in this case.It’s “intrinsic” value of 36% of an NHL player did not matter.If you flip your bitcoin quickly enough, one does not have to worry about the intrinsic value of a bitcoin.

    MacT’s MBA education was put to some good use, recognizing the multiple uses of a draft pick. The statheads have to stop navel-gazing.

    I think the Oilers got Fasth at full price, and gave Hemsky up for less than full price. Other than that, agreed.

  130. Hammers says:

    L T . Can we look at a different list . We have 8 RFA’s with perhaps only C.Hamilton not being offered a contract and maybe Larsen ?? and 9 UFA’s . McIntyre ,Pinzotto , Eager , Grebs , Fraser , Jones , Fedun , Belov & Smyth . For me only the last 3 are worth offering a contract to If it’s for or less than 1mill . Say out of these 17 we keep 9 . We have I think 45 contracts -8 = 37 for next year . McT has say 9 or 10 players to add for both the OIl & Okl . If we go with your lists plus signed RFA’s & minor league list He needs at least 5 NHL players plus 5 for Okl . You figure $ 12 -13 mill . A good “D” if we can get one is half of that so I won’t be surprised in seeing Nurse make the cut or a $ 6mill player has to go and that’s not Yak but it could be Gags & Yak . McT has another big summer coming up .

  131. Ribs says:

    VOR,

    Ference doesn’t seem to be working. Can we get Souray back? ;)

  132. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lowetide: I’m not sure about the specific value, but your post correctly points out that Gagner (currently) qualifies as a small L Luongo player. Getting the contract off the books has value, and teams will know this. Gagner’s value is probably so low now that Edmonton has to at least think about a player for picks or lesser prospects option.

    Would suspect MacT will be targeting those fabulously managed teams in southern US locales, you know the ones that pick up dead weight to hit the cap floor? Bettman’s NHL is a beautiful place.

  133. Rondo says:

    How can all these Hockey minds be so wrong about Gagner.?

  134. Ducey says:

    Lowetide: I think the Oilers got Fasth at full price, and gave Hemsky up for less than full price. Other than that, agreed.

    I am sorry to keep harping on you LT but you have been pining for weeks about Hemsky’s value. Your valuation is clearly not in line with those who had to trade for him.

    How can you say they got less than full price? Do you think MacT turned down a 2nd rounder or didn’t answer his phone?

    He looked pretty tired yesterday and said so at his presser. He indicated he had been trying to talk up Hemsky to other GMs for two weeks and the phone just starting ringing after the two goals.

    Had he been giving his presser from the golf course like Gillis, maybe you could have some concerns, but there is simply no evidence anyone was going to pay more than what MacT got. None.

    Penner? Stempniak? These are comparables for Hemsky. Other than the weird decision of Sakic to give a 2nd for a future AHL goalie, Hemsky’s return was as high, if not higher than what others got.

    When I look at the fact that Hemsky is likely going to score about 9 points in an OTT uniform, a third and a fifth seems like a steal.

  135. Bank Shot says:

    Pouzar: You think he should he be in the AHL next year. The burden of proof is on you. It’s cut and dry for me providing he doesn’t crash and burn due to fatigue which is entirely possible due to his physical limitations.
    I really see no argument for him going to the AHL next year on this current trajectory.

    There is no way to prove anything one way or the other. 20 games is too small a sample size.

    The ideal situation in my opinion is to fill that top six with veterans that you have a better idea of what you can get from them season to season.

    No offence to Marincin, but I would prefer for just once to have the Oilers start the season with a guy in the minors that is capable of stepping in and providing NHL level defence when the injuries hit. Good teams have depth. We should be striving for that as well.

  136. denny33 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Looking at the picks MacT has to work with (no 2nd or 3rd), I can’t see a way MacT moves the 1st.
    Only two things would do it: He gets a crazy return on the pick. crazy good. Or, he trades down into the top ten and gets a crazy good return.
    Even in those cases, I’d bet MacT would still prefer to keep the pick 8 times out of 10.
    So, strap in folks, we’re picking in the top 4! Hurry on Draisaitl
    ******************************************************************************
    There is near universal consensus we are missing at least 3 real NHL defenceman…..

    Darnell Nurse will play half the game and Aaron Ekblad will play the other half…..

    Insert Marincin, Petry and Klefbom .Stir. And Presto – real NHL Team.

    Granted – this may take a few years…

  137. justDOit says:

    MacT needs to figure out which team is going to be the worst next year. He then packages Gagner, and as many assets/prospects/picks as he can, to get that first overall. The trouble is, he might be dealing with himself in that trade.

  138. Younger Oil says:

    FWIW, here a few more prospects I really like (I already like Ekblad and Irving) who may be in our range:

    1. Pavel Kraskovski: 6’4” 187lb 17 year old C already playing in the KHL (1 goal in 8 games), and has 27 points in 39 games in the lower MHL league. Ranked #26 among EU skaters.
    2. Alexis Pepin, big 6’2” 224lb LW with 33 points in 56 games in the QMJHL, but has gotten 16 points in 19 games since being traded. Ranked 136 among NA skaters.
    3. Travis Sanheim, 6’3” 189lb D with 28 points in 62 games for the Hitmen this year. Ranked 167 among NA skaters.

  139. Lowetide says:

    Rondo:
    How can all these Hockey minds be so wrong about Gagner.?

    How can you predict stupidity?

  140. Pouzar says:

    Bank Shot: There is no way to prove anything one way or the other. 20 games is too small a sample size.

    The ideal situation in my opinion is to fill that top six with veterans that you have a better idea of what you can get from them season to season.

    No offence to Marincin, but I would prefer for just once to have the Oilers start the season with a guy in the minors that is capable of stepping in and providing NHL level defence when the injuries hit. Good teams have depth. We should be striving for that as well.

    I have no issue with 6 better defenseman than Marincin playing for the Oilers next year.

  141. Lowetide says:

    Pouzar: I have no issue with 6 better defenseman than Marincin playing for the Oilers next year.

    Heh. Pouzar=sly dog. :-) No WAY the Oilers find enough good defensemen this summer to force Marincin to OKC.

  142. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    Ducey: I am sorry to keep harping on you LT but you have been pining for weeks about Hemsky’s value.Your valuation is clearly not in line with those who had to trade for him.

    How can you say they got less than full price?Do you think MacT turned down a 2nd rounder or didn’t answer his phone?

    He looked pretty tired yesterday and said so at his presser.He indicated he had been trying to talk up Hemsky to other GMs for two weeks and the phone just starting ringing after the two goals.

    Had he been giving his presser from the golf course like Gillis, maybe you could have some concerns, but there is simply no evidence anyone was going to pay more than what MacT got.None.

    Penner? Stempniak? These are comparables for Hemsky.Other than the weird decision of Sakic to give a 2nd for a future AHL goalie, Hemsky’s return was as high, if not higher than what others got.

    When I look at the fact that Hemsky is likely going to score about 9 points in an OTT uniform, a third and a fifth seems like a steal.

    The difference between a 2nd and 4th vs. a 3rd and a 5th pretty much matches up to the drop in the rental market from 2013 to 2014. So unless LT was already factoring in the market drop, I’d say MacT pretty much delivered expectation relative to the actual day’s market (with a little help from a 2 goal audition against the Sens).

  143. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    Lowetide: Heh. Pouzar=sly dog. No WAY the Oilers find enough good defensemen this summer to force Marincin to OKC.

    I have no issue with 6 better defenseman than Shea Webber playing for the Oilers next year. Zero chance, but no objection at all.

  144. Rondo says:

    Lowetide,

    I can’t even predict the past.

  145. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    Lowetide:
    Sweet Lou

    http://www.puckrant.com/slapshot/SWEET_LOU

    Looks like he got a 50% refund on the lost picks as well as on the fine. When you can pull that no wonder you push the penalty out year after year until Bettman blinks.

  146. Lowetide says:

    Ducey: I am sorry to keep harping on you LT but you have been pining for weeks about Hemsky’s value.Your valuation is clearly not in line with those who had to trade for him.

    How can you say they got less than full price?Do you think MacT turned down a 2nd rounder or didn’t answer his phone?

    He looked pretty tired yesterday and said so at his presser.He indicated he had been trying to talk up Hemsky to other GMs for two weeks and the phone just starting ringing after the two goals.

    Had he been giving his presser from the golf course like Gillis, maybe you could have some concerns, but there is simply no evidence anyone was going to pay more than what MacT got.None.

    Penner? Stempniak? These are comparables for Hemsky.Other than the weird decision of Sakic to give a 2nd for a future AHL goalie, Hemsky’s return was as high, if not higher than what others got.

    When I look at the fact that Hemsky is likely going to score about 9 points in an OTT uniform, a third and a fifth seems like a steal.

    I don’t blame MacT for yesterday’s trade, he actually made out pretty well. I do think the organization devalued the player over the last several seasons.

  147. G Money says:

    godot10: Hemsky was traded for a 36% chance of an NHL Player.

    And

    36% (give or take a percent or two) of an NHL Player was traded for Fasth.

    Which nets out to Hemsky for Fasth.

    The draft pick was only a medium of exchange in this case.It’s “intrinsic” value of 36% of an NHL player did not matter.If you flip your bitcoin quickly enough, one does not have to worry about the intrinsic value of a bitcoin.

    MacT’s MBA education was put to some good use, recognizing the multiple uses of a draft pick. The statheads have to stop navel-gazing.

    In the *very same* post that you quoted, I said this:

    Exactly right. When the dust settles, we traded 20 games of Hemsky for 100 games of Fasth (or I suppose as he is a 1b goalie, we traded for 50 games of Fasth).

    Rondo:
    I can’t even predict the past.

    As my buddies and I used to say in University, 20-20 hindsight is better than no hindsight at all. I don’t know if that is original or not, but it sounded original in the 80s before the interwebs.

    Bank Shot: There is no way to prove anything one way or the other. 20 games is too small a sample size.

    It’s enough games to prove he can play in the NHL. How well or for how long or how good he can ultimately be, we don’t know, but NHL calibre nonetheless.

    He needs third pairing sheltering to develop his craft, not the AHL.

    Then again, the same is true of J Schultz – I mean … Schultz … – he needs to be sheltered on the third pairing, the problem of course being that you can’t shelter two rookies on the third pairing. Oilers!

  148. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    Lowetide: Other than the weird decision of Sakic to give a 2nd for a future AHL goalie

    Still pondering that one. Sub .900 27 yr old rookie UFA rental (per capgeek). Thinking Patrick saw him good. Interesting that the Flames moved their backup with their starter down. Not that they do rebuilds or anything, but that’s right out of the lottery pick manual.

  149. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide: Heh. Pouzar=sly dog. No WAY the Oilers find enough good defensemen this summer to force Marincin to OKC.

    I channeled my inner Craig Button there. :)

  150. sliderule says:

    The beauty with Hemsky was that every goal seemed to be a masterpiece ,a Picasso .
    I will never forget that last minute end to end rush and goal to tie the dreaded Canucks in Lotus land no less.
    The problem he had is he never got any greasy goals.I tried to remember one but couldn’t.As a result he got fewer goals per game than a lesser player like Stempniak.
    This left fans wanting and allowed critics to zero in on his frailty ,etc.
    Nevertheless it was a wonderfully run without which fans would have had little to enjoy.

  151. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Lowetide:
    Sweet Lou

    http://www.puckrant.com/slapshot/SWEET_LOU

    … and that is why the NHL remains a Mickey Mouse league. 29 other general managers and owners should be screaming bloody murder.

  152. delooper says:

    sliderule:
    The problem he had is he never got any greasy goals.I tried to remember one but couldn’t.As a result he got fewergoals per game than a lesser player like Stempniak.

    I suspect that perspective will be revised. Next year Hemsky will sign with a competitive team, make it to the playoffs and score some amazing and meaningful playoff goals.

    The problem is he’s a competitive player that didn’t get to play in enough meaningful games.

  153. The Great One says:

    Paajarvi with a goal!

    That’s 6.

  154. Old School G says:

    Ales, we’re going to get a few more NHL able players and then you’re coming back in the offseason… right?

  155. mumbai max says:

    Imagine if Glenn Anderson had only played in the regular season. What would his legacy be?
    He was only interested when something was on the line. Hemsky showed up in the playoffs.
    He just did not get to do it very often.

    One more thing. The value of a player (trade or UFA) is what you get for him. PERIOD. Let me say that again. The value of a player is what you actually get for him. If the best offer is a 3rd and a 5th, then THAT IS THE VALUE of Hemsky. Everything else is smoke, mirrors, dreams, spin and fantasy. A player is WORTH what you can actually get for him. So enough of the MacT bashing. Assuming he did not unplug his phone or turn down a 1st round pick, he got the actual market value for Hemsky.

  156. VanOil says:

    The Dys in an Oilers circa 2007 post Smyth free fall. Must win game against Dallas, the team they are chasing for the final playoff spot. Down 3-0 before Kassian takes a 5 and a game. Repeat offender should kick in and see him gone for a while.

  157. Justthestatsman says:

    sliderule: The beauty with Hemsky was that every goal seemed to be a masterpiece ,a Picasso .I will never forget that last minute end to end rush and goal to tie the dreaded Canucks in Lotus land no less.The problem he had is he never got any greasy goals.I tried to remember one but couldn’t.As a result he got fewer goals per game than a lesser player like Stempniak.This left fans wanting and allowed critics to zero in on his frailty ,etc.Nevertheless it was a wonderfully run without which fans would have had little to enjoy.

    I remember a pretty greasy goal against Detroit as part of the comeback in game 6, but that was 8 years ago.

  158. Lowetide says:

    mumbai max:
    Imagine if Glenn Anderson had only played in the regular season. What would his legacy be?
    He was only interested when something was on the line. Hemsky showed up in the playoffs.
    He just did not get to do it very often.

    One more thing. The value of a player (trade or UFA) is what you get for him. PERIOD. Let me say that again. The value of a player is what you actually get for him. If the best offer is a 3rd and a 5th, then THAT IS THE VALUE of Hemsky. Everything else is smoke, mirrors, dreams, spin and fantasy. A player is WORTH what you can actually get for him. So enough of the MacT bashing. Assuming he didnot unplug his phone or turn down a 1st round pick, he got the actual market value for Hemsky.

    Anderson’s regular season and playoff scoring are pretty much identical.

  159. justDOit says:

    Hmmm – not sure what to make of this:

    Follow

    Edmonton OilersVerified account
    ‏@EdmontonOilers
    FACT –> RT @TomGazzola The Great One press conference during the first intermission. We’ll have it for you live on http://edmontonoilers.com .

    Will that be you, DSF?

  160. The Great One says:

    VanOil:
    The Dys in an Oilers circa 2007 post Smythy free fall. Must win game against Dallas, the team they are chasing for the final playoff spot. Down 3-0 before Kassian takes a 5 and a game. Repeat offender should kick in and see him gone for a while.

    Totally Dysfunctonal now.

    Seguin with 2G 1A in the 1st period.

  161. Pouzar says:

    The Great One:
    Paajarvi with a goal!

    That’s 6.

    Man I thought it was sad yesterday when Hemsky left but wait till we lose PRV!

  162. The Great One says:

    justDOit:
    Hmmm – not sure what to make of this:

    Follow

    Edmonton OilersVerified account
    ‏@EdmontonOilers
    FACT –> RT @TomGazzola The Great One press conference during the first intermission. We’ll have it for you live on http://edmontonoilers.com .

    Will that be you, DSF?

    Im missed my flight!!!!!

  163. The Great One says:

    Jason Brough ‏@JasonPHT 3m
    Remember when the Canucks hired John Tortorella and gave him a five-year contract?

  164. Glock9 says:

    Lowetide: Anderson’s regular season and playoff scoring are pretty much identical.

    Anderson was a very focused player.

  165. book¡je says:

    Lowetide: Anderson’s regular season and playoff scoring are pretty much identical.

    He had more clutch in the playoffs though.

  166. justDOit says:

    The Great One:
    Jason Brough ‏@JasonPHT3m
    Remember when the Canucks hired John Tortorella and gave him a five-year contract?

    Didn’t LT just say that you can’t predict stupid?

  167. Lowetide says:

    Oilers have had some nice sequences so far and there does seem to be structure to breakouts at times.

  168. striatic says:

    Schultz couldn’t get the J off his sweater any more quickly.

  169. VanOil says:

    Yes it is that Brock Nelson I am always trading Gagner for

  170. Captain Smarmy says:

    Just fire whoever is responsible for this awful power play. Just wretched.

  171. striatic says:

    Edmonton’s zone entry on the PP is excruciating as always.

  172. Glock9 says:

    FF Sakes. 11th shorty of the year !!! Can we get a freakin coaching change NOW !!! Why wait ???

  173. The Great One says:

    justDOit: Didn’t LT just say that you can’t predict stupid?

    And you can’t fix it either.

    See the comment above for reference.

  174. SK Oiler Fan says:

    89 adds to his puck battles lost total.

  175. VanOil says:

    Islanders think Tank battles mean El Alamein the Oilers know tank battles mean the Battle of Kursk.

  176. striatic says:

    Captain Smarmy,

    is that Bucky or Smitty or Acton?

  177. SoxandOil says:

    Gretzky just on ched had some kind words for captain Brad Ference. Oh Bradley.

  178. Pretendergast says:

    Anyone else think gretz was slurring a bit there? About the only smart way to watch a game these days.

  179. OilClog says:

    How do we get Weight on our bench next year? Add Ranford, Huddy, and somehow Nelson. Baaam

  180. Captain Smarmy says:

    striatic,

    Beats me. But I hate every aspect of it.

  181. hags9k says:

    To say it was a bad trade return for Hemsky is over simplifiing. We got what we could for a UFA who was not going to re-sign. The question is then why couldn’t we get him re-signed? This is not just a bad trade return, it is the cumulative failure of the organization that brings us here. The guy was not coming back, because he’d had enough of this mess. Who can blame him? But don’t whine about how MacT should have gotten a 2nd or 1st or whatever, that’s not the issue.

  182. rich says:

    They should decline the penalty.

  183. russ99 says:

    Kinda sad for Gretz to show up and remind all of us how far, far away we are from those heights of 1984.

  184. Marcus Oilerius says:

    That was a play only Taylor Hall could do on that 6-on-5. When he chipped it hard up from his own blue line, it looked like the Islander was going to get it. For sure. Then Hall turns on the jets and beats not just that Islander, but chips it up even faster and beats another Islander at their goal line. Absolutely crazy.

  185. russ99 says:

    Aw man, then they show Hemmer in a Sens uniform… I am depressed.

  186. verdad says:

    Lowetide, can you finally concede that playing Gagner any longer is an insult to Oilers fans?
    That short-handed goal was caused solely by Gagner. It was a lost puck battle we gave seen constantly for seven years. Just not playing him improves the Oilers.
    Re-signing last season is enough justification for be fired.

  187. VanOil says:

    Sabres with a big win against TB. We could still be #1!!!

  188. SK Oiler Fan says:

    WTF are the zebras doing in the middle of the ice these days? Stay on the boards dammit. No reason for the pick carrier to have to deke a Dman and a stray zebra.
    Another free stay in front of the Oilers net. Horrible positioning.

  189. VanOil says:

    I think I might change channels I like watching Vancouver lose helplessly better than the Oilers.

  190. gr8one says:

    Pretendergast:
    Anyone else think gretz was slurring a bit there? About the only smart way to watch a game these days.

    Haha, I noticed that too…except more than just a little slurring, he seemed pretty hammered to me.

  191. delooper says:

    La sigh.

  192. Andy P says:

    Why do you even watch these games?

  193. The Great One says:

    Anyone watching the Islanders feed?

    Talking about how many Oiler turnovers in the neutral zone.

  194. verdad says:

    For MacTavish to be fired.

  195. Lowetide says:

    verdad:
    Lowetide, can you finally concede that playing Gagner any longer is an insult to Oilers fans?
    That short-handed goal was caused solely by Gagner. It was a lost puck battle we gave seen constantly for sevenyears. Just not playing him improves the Oilers.
    Re-signing last season is enough justification forbe fired.

    So, we’re just forgetting the Kassian play now? Come on. He’s been very poor, but Gagner had value at the time of the signing.

  196. russ99 says:

    Ugh 4 shots for, 2 goals against, bupkis on the power play, a shorty given up.

    Just keep playing your systems Eakins, maybe one day they’ll magically just work.

  197. Ice Sage says:

    VanOil:
    I think I might change channels I like watching Vancouver lose helplessly better than the Oilers.

    Wow canucks are worse than Oilers bad – and in a ‘must win’ game

  198. hags9k says:

    Well we are looking awesome for 2nd overall pick. The highlight of my hockey year will come at the lake again ffs.

    We are without a doubt in the mix for McDavid. Likely the front runners. Nuge, Ekblad, McDavid will be the new hope. Probably come into their own right about the time we have to sell Hall and EBs for some face punchers and picks because they are tired and the fans have turned on them.

    I am obviously really struggling to find the bright side with my beloved Oilers.

  199. verdad says:

    Can we all concede that MacTavish and Eakins have only made things worse?
    Look at the Oilers defence as a clear evidence of managerial incompetence?

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