KINGS AT OILERS G65, 13-14

This is a very important time for Anton Lander as an Edmonton Oiler. The organization has to procure 6′s and 7′s and 9′s from their minor leagues and Lander has a very nice resume. If he can fill a 3 or 4 line role next season, the club has one less issue to address and can spend money elsewhere.

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We’ve always liked Anton Lander as a fanbase. Some comments on his draft day:

  • H-Bomb: That scouting report, right down to the player’s origin, screams “Detroit pick”.
  • RiversQ: Sounds great. Seriously. The good thing about taking the Swedes too, is that the Oilers are protected from themselves for at least one year and the SEL is way better than junior hockey.
  • Jon K: Lander’s scouting report reads a lot like Zetterberg’s as a prospect. Seems like that’s where the Oilers are hoping he’ll head developmentally. It’s a pick I’m willing to trust that the scouting staff is making the right choice.
  • Steven R: Anton Lander is a interesting pick because he was Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson’s linemate last season for Timra. These two had a lot of chemistry and speed last season for Timra.

I posted an article at ON about Lander last night. Oiler fans have been following him for five years now and this summer we’ll put that 2009 draft to bed. The last 17 NHL games could have a bearing on things—if Lander can play well enough to project himself onto next season’s roster, that’s a very useful player.

ANTON LANDER PLAYER CARD

lander player cardLander’s entry-level career is completely bass-ackwards because Oilers. The 56 games should be this year, not his first season. Going back to H-Bomb’s quote above, the pick might look like Detroit but the handling was straight out of the California Seals playbook. Lander’s bio (good check, no score) tells us part of the story, and of course his major league at-bats tell the punch-and-Judy story.

Anton Lander has posted two good offensive seasons—his last one in Timra and this year in Oklahoma City. If the Oilers really want to see what he can do, I’d suggest putting him with Luke Gazdic and Ryan Jones is a poor idea. With Ales Hemsky gone, the Oilers have a couple options:

  • Gagner-Hall-Yakupov
  • Nuge-Perron-Eberle
  • Gordon-Lander-Hendricks
  • Smyth-Gazdic-Joensuu/Jones

Or, they could put Lander on a 4line but with some hope of possession survival:

  • Gagner-Hall-Yakupov
  • Nuge-Perron-Eberle
  • Gordon-Hendricks-Joensuu
  • Lander-Smyth-Jones

I don’t think they do it—this is a Gazdic game—but if Lander/Gazdic is a line one hopes Ryan Smyth joins them.

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Tonight could be the NHL debut of Oscar Klefbom. In the history of the Edmonton Oilers, there have been very few first round picks devoted to defensemen. Here’s the complete list with their total NHL games-played:

  1. Paul Coffey 1409 (1980)
  2. Kevin Lowe 1254 (1979)
  3. Jeff Beukeboom 804 (1983)
  4. Francois Leroux 249 (1988)
  5. Jim Playfair 21 (1982)
  6. Selmar Odelein 18 (1984)
  7. Alex Plante 10 (2007)
  8. Matthieu Descoteaux 5 (1996)
  9. Nick Stadjuhar 2 (1993)
  10. Jason Soules 0 (1989)
  11. Oscar Klefbom 0 (2011)
  12. Darnell Nurse 0 (2013)

I expect Klefbom and Nurse will push their way into the top five on this list eventually, and maybe higher. Klefbom’s injuries are an absolute concern, but if he does make his NHL debut today it’ll be a fun moment for the young man. I’d give my left nut to have played even one shift in the NHL, and this kid gets to do it tonight. Good on him. He will be the fourth Oscar to have played in the NHL, and he could easily end up being the best one.

We liked Klefbom on his draft day.

  • Smarmy Boss: He’s a big bruising puck mover from what I’ve heard. I think we’ll like him.
  • Rick: Not the upside of a Larsson, but this kid could be a heck of a player 3 years down the line. Nice mix of speed and physical play. Maybe he can pick up more of an offensive game in Sweden next season.
  • spOILer: Absolutely love this pick. Serious chance of being a better dman than Siemens, Bealieu and Oleksiak. Only issue is hockey sense, but has ALL the tools.
  • PunjabiOil: I don’t like taking defenceman, but by the sounds of it, this guy does have top pairing potential.

If they play him tonight, I hope he gets paired with Petry or Ference. I don’t think he’ll play.

 TALK ABOUT THE DAMN GAME!

Sure. On December 27th the Oilers were 39GP, 12-24-3. In the 25 games since, Edmonton is 10-10-5. In their last 10: 6-2-2. This is a Corsi David v Goliath but they play the games for a reason.

oil last 10It seems the #1 overalls cannot flourish at the same time. Yak is finally out of the ditch and now Nuge can’t find the ocean. Hall remains quality, Perron is golden and Gagner is posting a lot of points for a guy who could be bought out (I still think that’s an option). Goodbye Hemmer, knock ‘em dead.

g last 10Goalies. Lordy.

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  1. frjohnk says:

    I wonder what the oilers record would be if we just had average or good goaltending all year. In the beginning we had extremely terrible goaltending in where we lost a handful of games we should have won, and lately we have had excellent goaltending in where we won a handful of games we should have lost. Goaltending this year which has been bi-polar, has given us a false reading in how good ( or bad) this team really is.

  2. Clay says:

    Those goalie stats are awfully tidy. All the rest – sledgehammers and corsis and corgis – are almost meaningless when you’ve got good goaltending. Or bad goaltending for that matter.

    How different would this season be if the Oilers got .940 save percentage through the first ten games of the season?

  3. Rondo says:

    Darnell Nurse

    In the comment section someone asked Brock Otten of OHL Prospects.

    “Given the Greyhounds lost their top 5 scorers from last year how do you think Darnell Nurse is doing?

    Last year people were concerned with his numbers . But like you said he was not on the 1st team PP.”

    He responded

    I think that overall, Nurse has had a terrific year.

    He’s gone through a few stretches where he’s struggled a bit(in particular, towards the end of 2013 when it seemed like he was pressing to make the WJC team), but that should tarnish the fact that the Hounds are currently a first place team and Nurse is probably the main reason for that.

    In the times I’ve seen him play in the new calendar year (2014), he’s been fantastic at both ends. Dominating the rush and entry into the zone, but also intimidating and effective in his own end.

    At this point, he’s right on target with his development path and remains a terrific selection by the Oilers.

    http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2014/03/jared-mccann-lead-greyhounds-to-west.html

  4. Clay says:

    I see that I pretty much plagiarized FRJOHNK there. I blame daylight savings time.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Clay:
    Those goalie stats are awfully tidy.All the rest – sledgehammers and corsis and corgis – are almost meaningless when you’ve got good goaltending.Or bad goaltending for that matter.

    How different would this season be if the Oilers got .940 save percentage through the first ten games of the season?

    The weird thing about this season is the early Corgi’s were wildly encouraging but the goaltending was Racicot.

  6. razor says:

    Looking at the klefbom draft blog, a lot of guys here wanted Jenner at 31. Too bad there, our 2c hole might have been filled by now.

  7. Henry says:

    Nuge goes into a funk and is still plus 1. That is a good hockey player.

  8. godot10 says:

    frjohnk:
    I wonder what the oilers record would be if we just had average or good goaltending all year.In the beginning we had extremely terrible goaltending in where we lost a handful of games we should have won, and lately we have had excellent goaltending in where we won a handful of games we should have lost.Goaltending this year which has been bi-polar, has given us a false reading in how good ( or bad) this team really is.

    Go to extraskater.
    http://www.extraskater.com/team/edmonton-oilers/2013

    The Oilers rolling 10-game Fenwick close has been trending slowly down most of the year, and the rolling 10-game PDO has been trending up and is at a seasonal high.

    What does that suggest? It suggests that the Oilers are a bad team that is slowly trending worse (Fenwick Close slowing trending down) but whose badness was amplified by bad goaltending early (low PDO) but whose roughly similar badness is being disguised by good goal(ten)ding.** The arrival of Marincin might have put a bottom into the downward trend of the rolling 10-game Fenwick close.

    The bad PDO has now pretty much been balanced out by the recent good PDO. The Oilers are who we think they are. They are bad. If the PDO had been closer to 1 all year, the Oilers would likely be where they are.

    **hangover

  9. Lowetide says:

    We don’t have any goalding. :-(

  10. Woodguy says:

    If they play him tonight, I hope he gets paired with Petry or Ference. I don’t think he’ll play.

    If he plays it won’t be with Petry since he’s on emergency recall to replace Petry.

    They might send him back without playing if Petry is good to go (sounds like he is) and they don’t want to burn the 2nd call up (1st one burned on Larsen)

    Eakins talks about it here: http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=570925&catid=4

    He also is very coy about with F Lander is supposed to replace.

    Said that Lander is up instead of Arco as Lander is a better replacement for the player who is dinged up than Arco.

    Matty actually asks some good questions in that scrum. Don’t know who woke him up, but I like it.

    Matty asks some good question of Klef here too: http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=570960&catid=4

    Look at Matty do a good job.

    Who knew?

    I understand the Oilers wanting OKC to make the playoffs, but selfishly I want to watch Lander (in a good spot) and Klef (in any spot) play.

    If OKC makes the playoffs with their seriously hobbled roster all year Nelson should get AHL coach of the year. (“why yes, Matthew Ford is our 4th leading scorer….)

    Also,

    Goaltending.

    It is everything isn’t it?

    The Oilers played much better earlier in the year and had games pissed away by awful goaltending and now are not playing good and winning with unreal goaltending.

    In the years I’ve been watching the NHL closely I’ve seen GMs and coaches make mistake after mistake in attributing wins/losses when goaltending has been 80% of it.

    Hot/Cold goalies can lead to bad decisions on the rest of the roster.

    I hope MacT has his clear vision glasses on and doesn’t do something stupid like re-up Fraser because he’s been around during the wins.

  11. rickithebear says:

    godot10: The Oilers rolling 10-game Fenwick close

    To quote Mike Vallee:
    “Jim (nill) and Darcy (reghr) are big time stats guys.
    They do not like simple stats.”

    Simple stats?
    Forest Gump stats!

    Fewick close?
    Can you explain who you get there!
    No, That all I got say about that!

  12. frjohnk says:

    razor:
    Looking at the klefbom draft blog, a lot of guys here wanted Jenner at 31. Too bad there, our 2c hole might have been filled by now.

    Hard to tell if Jenner would be that guy. Has taken 23 face offs this year. He has won 8. He has only been used a center in jr. I like him as a player, has size and uses it, and has good skill.

  13. D says:

    Lowetide: The weird thing about this season is the early Corgi’s were wildly encouraging but the goaltending was Racicot.

    I ran the numbers on the first 10 games plugging in a 0.94 percentage in goal while holding the SOG the same. The results added 3 to 5 points to the Oilers’ total in the first 10 (the Pittsburgh and Washington game went from loss to statistical tie, so those games could have gone either way). The Oilers would have gone from 7 points to 10 or 12 in the first 10 games. Essentially a .500 team, which sounds about right.

    BTW LT, any list with Paul Coffey being #1 is like a nice cup of warm milk on a cold day.

  14. rickithebear says:

    As for lander:
    he has played 583 minutes in the league.

    398 with Petrell, Eager, MP, Horcoff, Belanger, Hordichuck, hartikainen
    all players lacking in offence and performing as 4ths.
    Lander is .75GF/60 and 2.42GA/60

    Lander played 143 min with Jones, Smyth, Hemsky, Eberle, Gagner.
    Most of the minutes with players producing as 3rd’s
    Lander is 1.68 GF/60 and 1.68 GA/60.

    1.25 ppg @22 in AHL. check the history!

  15. Clay says:

    Lowetide: The weird thing about this season is the early Corgi’s were wildly encouraging but the goaltending was Racicot.

    That’s exactly it. If I recall correctly, the math guys were taking a beating because they kept saying how the team was improving, even while they were effectively out of the playoff race by November.

    It would be interesting if one of the math people would do an advanced-stat comparison between Toronto and Edmonton this year, removing goaltending from the equation. Last I checked, they are as bad or worse when it comes to Corsi for/against, but here they sit 4th in the East.

    (If that topic has been beaten to death, I apologize – I have to admit I don’t have the time to read all of the good blogs anymore…)

  16. razor says:

    frjohnk,

    Thanks for the response. Had no idea jenner was taking so few faceoffs.

  17. flyfish1168 says:

    Listening to the live pre-game interview by Eakins it sounds like everyone is good to go. Sounds like Oscar and Anton may not be playing.

  18. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I really like this Scrivens interview.

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=570924&catid=4

    takes Matty to task about narratives concerning playing ex-teams.

  19. Lowetide says:

    Damn. I was hoping to see both, and neither is playing.

  20. slambanna says:

    So Lander will likely get called up to play with worse linemates than he had in the AHL… Just….wh…th….ah forget it.

    I think he’ll acquit himself well regardless.

    But I’m more excited to see my favourite prospect’s debut. I’m just going to go ahead and guarantee that Oscar will impress tonight or whenever he makes it into the lineup. Especially to the fans who only see his lowly boxcars and have been reading about a defensive defenceman.

    Oscar is a great skating puck mover (never gets mentions enough). Who will just make efficient plays all over in his own zone.

    I’ve been watching a handful of Klefbom’s games every year starting with the u-18′s, where I fell in love with both he and Brodin. I have always seen him good (didn’t see him early this season).
    I understand where MacT got the crazy notion that a 20 year old d-man could miss an entire year, cross the Atlantic and jump right into the best league in the world.
    It was definitely a crazy notion, but seeing him late in his 18 year old season and before the injury last year inspires this kind of crazy.

    I expect to see some of the common young defencemen mistakes. However the good will far out weigh the bad.
    I believe his game will translate very well to the big league (close to Marincin’s learning curve).

    But that’s enough hype for now.

    Besides I have the sinking feeling Fraser will be playing ahead of Klef.

  21. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    If buying out Gagner is at all an option, move him out of that centre position in the top six, plug in Arco and give the paying customer a legitimate product for which they are being asked to pay. Buying him out is not the option however, so we suffer through his play as management window dresses, rubs the their hands in worry and hopes he has enough points stumbling out if this season to potentially lull another GM into paying something meaningful for him in the offseason. Affirmation as to management’s collective will to truly compete for the remainder of this season. Likely will lose Arco because of it as well.

  22. justDOit says:

    So just like DiCaprio – still no Oscar!

    A buddy of mine brought up Jimmy Carson’s name yesterday, and that got me thinking – the Oilers could really use a trade like Carson for Graves, Klima and Murphy! I’ve conveniently forgotten how they acquired Carson in the first place…

  23. Ducey says:

    godot10: Go to extraskater.
    http://www.extraskater.com/team/edmonton-oilers/2013

    The Oilers rolling 10-game Fenwick close has been trending slowly down most of the year, and the rolling 10-game PDO has been trending up and is at a seasonal high.

    What does that suggest?It suggests that the Oilers are a bad team that is slowly trending worse (Fenwick Close slowing trending down) but whose badness was amplified by bad goaltending early (low PDO) but whose roughly similar badness is being disguised by good goal(ten)ding.** The arrival of Marincin might have put a bottom into the downward trend of the rolling 10-game Fenwick close.

    The bad PDO has now pretty much been balanced out by the recent good PDO.The Oilers are who we think they are.They are bad. If the PDO had been closer to 1 all year, the Oilers would likely be where they are.

    **hangover

    It seems to me that at the beginning of the year the Oilers were giving up quite a few goals on relatively few shots (poor goaltending). They were then turning it on to get back into the game and cheating for offense. They were then giving up a few grade A chances leading to more goals.

    Now Eakins has put down the hammer as far as playing defense. Players like Nuge have to cheat for defense. They are not generating the shots and offense but the team isn’t giving up the free bees they were before. This in turn has helped the save %.

    I don’t think Corsi and Fenwick is accurately showing the improvement in goals against and defense.

  24. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Going back and reading the scouting reports on Lander, it seems compliments were centred around his skating. I thought I read he had some skating concerns recently. So which is it? Does he have NHL wheels?

    Given all his qualities, does he deserve time on the 2nd line with real finishers? To really gauge what he brings. Forget the first season and associated stats. That was cruel and unusual punishment. Are we shooting too low thinking 3rd or 4th line?

  25. Ducey says:

    Well Oiled and Enthusiastic:
    If buying out Gagner is at all an option, move him out of that centre position in the top six, plug in Arco and give the paying customer a legitimate product for which they are being asked to pay. Buying him out is not the option however, so we suffer through his play as management window dresses, rubs the their hands in worry and hopes he has enough points stumbling out if this season to potentially lull another GM into paying something meaningful for him in the offseason. Affirmation as to management’s collective will to truly compete for the remainder of this season. Likely will lose Arco because of it as well.

    Gagner has 14 pts in his last 20 games. He is 24. Arco has 18 pts in 41 games. He is 26.

    I like Arco plenty and he is a good value. But there is no way he replaces a healthy Gagner.

  26. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Ducey,

    To be fair, that was Arcos first 41 NHL games. Gagner has been around a long time. I can no longer watch a 40-50 pt liability any longer. His offensive stats have never been the issue. The man doesn’t bring enough. Full stop.

  27. Lowetide says:

    Well Oiled and Enthusiastic:
    Ducey,

    To be fair, that was Arcos first 41 NHL games. Gagner has been around a long time. I can no longer watch a 40-50 pt liability any longer. His offensive stats have never been the issue. The man doesn’t bring enough. Full stop.

    Very dangerous to evaluate a player in an injury year like this one. However, as you say, he has had some issues all along as a center. This season made things worse, and he really does have an incredible ability to be in the wrong place at the right time.

    I believe he can be a productive player, but hope it’s elsewhere. I expect Oiler fans have found their new whipping boy.

  28. AZOIL says:

    Ducey: It seems to me that at the beginning of the year the Oilers were giving up quite a few goals on relatively few shots (poor goaltending).They were then turning it on to get back into the game and cheating for offense.They were then giving up a few grade A chances leading to more goals.

    Now Eakins has put down the hammer as far as playing defense.Players like Nuge have to cheat for defense.They are not generating the shots and offense but the team isn’t giving up the free bees they were before.This in turn has helped the save %.

    I don’t think Corsi and Fenwick is accurately showing the improvement in goals against and defense.

    This is how I see it too, but if we had better D the offense could still take a chance here and there. Or others need to step in and cover each other. Seeing how team Canada played is of course a perfect example. I just wish we had a solid D to be able to accurately judge the team. The goalie situation is one step in that direction though!

  29. G Money says:

    Judging by some of the comments on this blog, we should do away with any sense of trying to assess the value of players with some scale and context and just polarize to the great/useless extremes.

    Gagner – useless! Arco – great! Gazdic – great!/useless! (depending on whether enforcers are also either inherently great! or useless!).

    A few slightly nuanced views on players …

    Arco – not sure why anyone is pencilling this guy as a 2C. He has skill, no question, and I love his grit and his willingness to backcheck. But he’s not in Gagner’s league offensively either. Would love to see Arco as a fourth line possession C between two big wingers, with the ability to play up the lineup occasionally when injuries call.

    But I fear that despite MacT and co showing some degree of willingness to break out of traditional hockey lines narrative, Arco in their eyes is too small to play at 4C and they will let him walk.

    Gagner – his defensive and his offensive play have regressed to a point worse than his rookie year, in a year of a horrible injury and a new coach, but this can’t possibly be affecting him, can it? I don’t know what the answer is with Gagner, but I know from watching him in the past that he’s a mid-size player (at best) who plays well below his size. Kind of the opposite of Arco, which is probably why it’s so easy to love the latter and despise the former.

    Gagner would work great between two big wingers that open up ice to let him use his offensive gifts, and it’s no coincidence that his most effective year was with Penner on his wing.

    I think Gagner could be a bona fide 2C on a team like that … but as the Oilers are committed to Hall/Perron on LW and Yak/Eberle on RW, the Oilers are not that team.

    Nuge – I fear not for Nuge, he’s basically 100 and a few games into his second season and fighting to become (and succeeding in becoming) a complete player. I do believe he will be the second coming of Datsyuk, but until that happens, the Oilers don’t have an effective 1C OR 2C, and that is a large part of why (in addition to the well documented defensive woes) the “this is a bad team” narratives are true.

  30. leadfarmer says:

    Saying these guys might make it into the top 5 eventually is really setting the bar low. These guys better make it into the top 5 given that they only need 1/4 of an NHL season to do so, and one of them is a top 10 pick on a team that has only 3 NHL caliber defenseman.

    Am I the only one that thinks our list of prospects is really mediocre given the number and quality of draft picks this teams has had in the last 6 years. Stu the mediocre bastard really needs to step up his game cause in my eyes he is not doing that much better than Prendergast

  31. Lois Lowe says:

    Lowetide,

    That’s just not fair.

  32. Pouzar says:

    I think some people exaggerate Gagner’s offensive prowess around here. Full disclosure on my bias RE: Gagner here but I have never seen an NHL player do such strange things with the puck in offensive zone. I think if Arco got the same offensive push Gagner has gotten over the years the offensive numbers would be damn close. I mean Arco gets the sweet minutes in the AHL and all he does is torch the opposition.

    I don’t see Gagner as being hands down better that Arco offensively but we can argue that till the cows come home.

  33. OilClog says:

    Hemsky

  34. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Lowetide:
    I believe he can be a productive player, but hope it’s elsewhere. I expect Oiler fans have found their new whipping boy.

    But then we’ll have to go to the trouble of finding a new whipping boy.

  35. Lowetide says:

    Bruce McCurdy: But then we’ll have to go to the trouble of finding a new whipping boy.

    My guess is Yakupov.

  36. G Money says:

    Lowetide: My guess is Yakupov.

    That would save the fans and the MSM a lot of trouble, because they can have just one whipping boy to replace the “enigmatic” Hemsky and the “soft” Gagner in one fell swoop. Efficiency!

  37. Lowetide says:

    Ottawa should sign Hemsky. Today

    http://www.puckrant.com/slapshot/SIGN_THE_MAN

  38. Pouzar says:

    We’re frickin 29th place for gawd sakes. The whole team is full of whipping boys. Sheesh. Gagner is not very good. That’s all.

  39. G Money says:

    Pouzar: I think some people exaggerate Gagner’s offensive prowess around here. Full disclosure on my bias RE: Gagner here but I have never seen an NHL player do such strange things with the puck in offensive zone.

    Did you watch him play (or more importantly, remember his play) from years prior to this one?

    This year, he has indeed done bizarre things in both the offensive and defensive zones. And it is the former that makes me believe that he’s still suffering the effects of the injury – whether physical or consequential.

    Gagner’s defensive play has always been his liability, but he worked hard to improve that, and even two years ago, all the talk on Gagner was about how much better he’d gotten in that regard. Then last year he fell off a cliff and this year he bounced off the ground at the bottom of that cliff, rolled into the sea, and sunk to the bottom of the Marianas Trench.

    But his offensive play has always been top notch – sneaky, accurate shot; excellent vision (such a contrast to the defensive zone), and gifted passing.

    This year, much of that has dissipated too. Skill doesn’t disappear at the age of 24, which is why it is logical to ask what else has changed that might be a cause. The injury may not be it, but until something comes along to explain it better, that’s what we’ve got.

    I believe that Gagner doesn’t fit well with this team – small C with smallish wingers means big skilled teams can beat the snot out of that line, as we’ve seen repeated ad nauseam this year.

    But if Gagner can find himself on a line with two big wingers that can give him the room to do his thing, I think he’ll shine. Kind of the way Hemsky has started playing with a big gifted center like Spezza.

    And in that regard, I do not think Arco has anywhere near that kind of ceiling.

  40. WeirsBeard says:

    Pouzar:
    I think some people exaggerate Gagner’s offensive prowess around here. Full disclosure on my bias RE: Gagner here but I have never seen an NHL player do such strange things with the puck in offensive zone. I think if Arco got the same offensive push Gagner has gotten over the years the offensive numbers would be damn close. I mean Arco gets the sweet minutes in the AHL and all he does is torch the opposition.

    I don’t see Gagner as being hands down better that Arco offensively but we can argue that till the cows come home.

    My take is that people value Arco over Gagner because 26 can provide replacement value offense (especially given the top end wingers on the club) while providing additional value in cap savings allowing for talent added elsewhere in the lineup.

    His give a cuss on any given shift also dwarfs Gagner’s, and this coming from a fan of 89.

  41. Pouzar says:

    G Money,

    We both disagree on Gagner. We’ve down this road before regarding what we both think of his offensive talent ( Gagner = 90% Eberle’s production).

    I don’t wish to get into it again.

    EDIT: Or was that WoodGuy (RE: Gagner = 90% Eberle).

    anyway….Gagner is a sore spot for me.

  42. Lowetide says:

    The Oilers devalued Hemsky down to a 3 and 5. If they try really hard, I think they can get Gagner down to a third. But I do think there’s a second round pick plus a little out there for him this summer.

  43. WeirsBeard says:

    Lowetide:
    Gaborik with Williams and Anze. Lordy

    http://lakingsinsider.com/2014/03/09/march-9-morning-line-rushes/

    What’s the Corsi line on these guys today? 90? Are we going to see them cause Oilers attempting friendly fire on purpose?

  44. WeirsBeard says:

    Lowetide:
    The Oilers devalued Hemsky down to a 3 and 5. If they try really hard, I think they can get Gagner down to a third. But I do think there’s a second round pick plus a little out there for him this summer.

    2, 3, and 5? Three for one?

  45. G Money says:

    Pouzar,

    Yeah, I don’t recall having that discussion before. Couldn’t have been WG though, that guy never has an opinion.

    EDIT: Thinking of changing my moniker to “G Agner” just to poke your sore spot! :-)

    EDIT 2: That doesn’t sound right, does it?

  46. linkfromhyrule says:

    In regards to the talk about goaltending, I just find it interesting the way goaltending is valued in the NHL. Goaltending can mean so much to the overall record of the club, but it is not often viewed that way. Goaltenders (almost always) make less money, are worth less than other positions, and are traded for less valuable pieces. The thing is though, bad goaltending can really sink a team, as we have been witness to all too often this season. To me, goaltending would seem to be the most valuable position. Just my two cents I guess, it seems like a bit of an odd way to value something that is so vital to success.

  47. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Lowetide:
    Ottawa should sign Hemsky. Today

    http://www.puckrant.com/slapshot/SIGN_THE_MAN

    SIGN THE MAN!! I’ll give you points for consistency, LT.

    I hope they do sign him, cuz Ottawa is on the tube a little bit — hey, they play Toronto 4 or 5 times a year — and I don’t hate the squad. My guess is they’ll play out the string, see how he plays & where he fits, then make some sort of an offer well before July 1. But he may be determined to hit the market.

  48. prairieschooner says:

    If Gagner has weaknesses in his game why hasn’t the Backroom staff sat down with him.
    It a seems pretty straightforward solution to video Gagner for a game or 3 then sit down and point out the things he does not do properly. Gagner seems like a player who would embrace the things he needs to do.
    I would keep doing it until he gets it right.
    There are all kinds of carrot and stick techniques to improve the buy in by the player.
    Coach Nelson is doing a great job with the kids in OKC. His situation allows him to develop players more easily than Eakins who has a mandate to shape the team rather than the individual players.
    Nelson would have to do a different job in the NHL

  49. Bruce McCurdy says:

    linkfromhyrule:
    In regards to the talk about goaltending, I just find it interesting the way goaltending is valued in the NHL. Goaltending can mean so much to the overall record of the club, but it is not often viewed that way. Goaltenders (almost always) make less money, are worth less than other positions, and are traded for less valuable pieces. The thing is though, bad goaltending can really sink a team, as we have been witness to all too often this season. To me, goaltending would seem to be the most valuable position. Just my two cents I guess, it seems like a bit of an odd way to value something that is so vital to success.

    Ben Scrivens: 3rd round pick.
    Viktor Fasth: 3rd & 5th round picks.
    Reto Berra: 2nd round pick.

    I’d call those valuations a tad odd myself. Mind you, I’ve seen Berra a lot more bad than good, could just be a sample size thing.

  50. G Money says:

    linkfromhyrule,

    You’re talking through the difference between “value” and “economic value”.

    The “value” of a goalie to a hockey team can’t be understated.

    The “economic value” is dictated by supply and demand. First and foremost is that there are only 60 spots available for goalies in the NHL, so demand is limited. And yet the entire world seems capable of producing decent goalies, especially those damn Finns, and so supply is often generous. Ergo, high team value, low economic value.

    You can draw similar parallels in asking why a guy who plays hockey a la Crosby gets paid the equivalent of about 100 teachers. Which has more long-term value to society?

  51. linkfromhyrule says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    haha now that is odd valuation inside an already oddly valued system. It’s oddception

  52. Lois Lowe says:

    Lowetide,

    If Gagner gets dealt this summer I think it’ll be like the Oilers’ acquisition of Perron last year. A struggling prospect, a pick, and cap savings for a real, live NHL player.

  53. Ryan says:

    prairieschooner,

    I’ve thought about that too.

    Is there a reason in the world where they don’t sit Gagner down and say, “Listen, we’re giving you the Gordon treatment to play out the string. We want you to focus on you’re own-zone defensive play and this is the opportunity.”

    Well, I guess there is one reason and that is the sense of self-preservation from the coaching staff. I guess it also would further degrade Gagner’s value if they hope to move him at the draft.

  54. OilClog says:

    Hemmer keeps putting up points he’ll find all sorts of teams backing up brink trucks to him, and again the Oilers end up looking pathetic.

    Washington will throw Semin money at him.

  55. linkfromhyrule says:

    G Money,

    Ahh yes that does make sense I guess I was confusing the two. It just strikes me that the difference is so stark. I guess I should take an economics class before I give my two cents on value!

    I mean, I guess if teams actually paid goaltenders what they are worth relative to their value to success teams would be paying goalies 30mil+ contracts and that makes much less sense.

  56. Jon K says:

    Well, Lander is pretty far off the development curve of Zetterberg. Skating was Lander’s drawback on drafting day and it still seems to be the only deficiency in his game. By eye he has struggled to keep up with the NHL game during his call ups.

    He’s a smart player though, so there remains hope that he can compensate for the skating issues with development.

    Wouldn’t be spring in Edmonton without following the draft and prospect call-ups.

  57. Bruce McCurdy says:

    linkfromhyrule:
    G Money,

    I guess if teams actually paid goaltenders what they are worth relative to their value to success teams would be paying goalies 30mil+ contracts and that makes much less sense.

    They’d need a clause where they could claw back a couple mil every time the guy let in a Bad Goal At The Wrong Time.

  58. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Jon K: Wouldn’t be spring in Edmonton without following the draft and prospect call-ups.

    If that’s the definition of spring, then spring started in November. So how come spring is so farkin’ cold? :)

  59. Lowetide says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Lowetide,

    If Gagner gets dealt this summer I think it’ll be like the Oilers’ acquisition of Perron last year. A struggling prospect, a pick, and cap savings for a real, live NHL player.

    Hard to say. Part of me is hopeful they’ll retain him for another season because selling low is such a harmful thing to do. However, they needs those dollars elsewhere.

  60. TheOtherJohn says:

    Bruce McCurdy: If that’s the definition of spring, then spring started in November. So how come spring is so farkin’ cold?

    And we have the Winner!!! drops mike, walks off stage

  61. linkfromhyrule says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Devan Dubnyk would owe the oilers millions. Too soon?

  62. theres oil in virginia says:

    G Money: EDIT: Thinking of changing my moniker to “G Agner” just to poke your sore spot!

    I read the “odd comments section” and I’m sure that’s not spelled correctly!

    ;)

  63. Bruce McCurdy says:

    linkfromhyrule:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    Devan Dubnyk would owe the oilers millions. Too soon?

    GVT suggests that goalies are either the be-all or the end-(it)-all. Check out Dubnyk’s ranking on this list.

    Pro tip: scroll down.

  64. theres oil in virginia says:

    Pouzar: Or was that WoodGuy (RE: Gagner = 90% Eberle).

    That was definitely Woodguy. I think he was just batting ideas around though, and I vaguely recall him backing off of that assertion, at least a bit. (I may be putting words in his mouth regarding that last bit – I don’t perfectly recall.)

    Speaking of Woodguy, that Montreal steak spice was knock-you-on-your-ass good and much easier than the do-it-yourself that normally occupies my time. Thanks for the tip.

  65. godot10 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Ben Scrivens: 3rd round pick.
    Viktor Fasth: 3rd & 5th round picks.
    Reto Berra: 2nd round pick.

    I’d call those valuations a tad odd myself. Mind you, I’ve seen Berra a lot more bad than good, could just be a sample size thing.

    Patrick Roy has his goaltending guru Francois Allaire in Colorado. He must see something he can work with in Berra.

  66. regwald says:

    godot10: Patrick Roy has his goaltending guru Francois Allaire in Colorado.He must see something he can work with in Berra.

    From the games I have seen Berra, the guy is a rebound machine. He gives up tons and tons of them. Not sure you can teach that out of a goalie at this age. Good luck with that Patrick and Francois.

  67. Marc says:

    Lowetide:
    The Oilers devalued Hemsky down to a 3 and 5. If they try really hard, I think they can get Gagner down to a third. But I do think there’s a second round pick plus a little out there for him this summer.

    So would you have played Eberle or Yakupov on the Gordon line? Made one of them the fourth line center?

    What exactly should the Oilers have done differently to avoid this devaluation of value that you’ve identified?

  68. Ryan says:

    Bruce McCurdy: GVT suggests that goalies are either the be-all or the end-(it)-all. Check out Dubnyk’s ranking on this list.

    Pro tip: scroll down.

    Wow GVT, there’s a blast from past. I remember discussing GVT and ESTR with Timo Seppa back in 2009.

    I had actually introduced ESTR to this blog back then. Those were the good old days before MC79hockey discovered twitter and you could engage him in discussion here.

    The problem both had and still do so is not passing a basic smell test.

    Eddie Lac >> Ryan suter or Drew Doughty? Okay.

    Or Brandon Saad owns Chara?

    Or Cogliano and Kyle Turris are >> than Zetterberg, Hall, Subban, Bergeron, …

  69. VanOil says:

    As discussing the doom about to be fall the Oilers tonight is too painful I will link the threads discussions on Gagner and Goal tending.

    If the goal tending remains ridiculously good the Oilers could move down to the 3d or 4th overall pick. Also dollar to donuts Gagner does not get moved this summer (yes I know I trade him everyday for Nelson). So If the pick is not in the Sam Reinhart/Ekblad spots but in the Bennet/Draisatl spots instead and we have a 2nd line Center under contract and staying put do you trade the pick?

    I would trade the 3d or 4th overall pick to NYI, who could then forgo there own, for Griffen Reinhart. He is everything Ekblad is and 2 years further down the line. I would consider trading the pick to NJD for Adam Larsson had Lou not conned his way into a 1st round pick.

    Having no picks in the top 91 would be tough for draft junkies like LT and the rest of us conditioned to think the draft is the highlight of the season. Having a former 4th overall pick who is more seasoned and position appropriate seems a better idea. Picking a kid to replace a 2nd line Center that we a) can’t move b) would get 50 cents on the dollar for right now seems to be a wasted opportunity. Plus as bad as Gagner has been this season, he is regaining form.

    The hole at 2nd line Center for the Oilers is a minor flesh wound compared the gaping life ending head wound that is the Oilers defense.

  70. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Ryan: The problem both had and still do so is not passing a basic smell test.

    Agreed, as per my point about goalies being massed at the extreme ends of the list. Something is amiss.

  71. Lowetide says:

    Nurse with a goal today. 63GP, 13-36-49

  72. Lowetide says:

    Marc: So would you have played Eberle or Yakupov on the Gordon line? Made one of them the fourth line center?

    What exactly should the Oilers have done differently to avoid this devaluation of value that you’ve identified?

    Oh that’s pretty easy. When Hall and Eberle entered the league, Shawn Horcoff was mentor and babysitter for a long while. I don’t know that needed it, but Yakupov would have benefited imo. So, I’d put Yakupov on a 3line with Gordon and Ryan Smyth.

  73. G Money says:

    theres oil in virginia: I read the “odd comments section” and I’m sure that’s not spelled correctly!

    “G Aoaniaix”?

  74. Lowetide says:

    Pinizzato (Horak, Fedun) 1-0 OKC

  75. godot10 says:

    VanOil:

    I would trade the 3d or 4th overall pick to NYI, who could then forgo there own, for Griffen Reinhart. He is everything Ekblad is and 2 years further down the line. I would consider trading the pick to NJD for Adam Larsson had Lou not conned his way into a 1st round pick.

    I would do that trade for Griffin Reinhart too, but I think the Islanders will give up the 2015 1st round pick, and use the 2014 1st round pick if they are in the top 3. A SamReinhart/Bennett/Ekblad in the hand is worth a more than a McDavid in the bush.

  76. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Acton (Musil) SH.

  77. AZOIL says:

    Marc: So would you have played Eberle or Yakupov on the Gordon line? Made one of them the fourth line center?

    What exactly should the Oilers have done differently to avoid this devaluation of value that you’ve identified?

    I think they could have held guys like eberle more accountable. Not just hand him the reigns but make him earn it a little or at least demote him once in awhile and throw hemsky in his place if he wasn’t being a full player. Hard to say what to do though. Every will freak when hemsky does good, but we knew that and our hands were tied!

  78. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    2-1 after 1; shots 10-6 Barons.

  79. Lowetide says:

    Acton (Musil) it’s a shorty.

  80. Pouzar says:

    G Money:
    Pouzar,

    Yeah, I don’t recall having that discussion before.Couldn’t have been WG though, that guy never has an opinion.

    EDIT: Thinking of changing my moniker to “G Agner” just to poke your sore spot!

    EDIT 2: That doesn’t sound right, does it?

    LOL….No it doesn’t :)

  81. Marc says:

    Lowetide: Oh that’s pretty easy. When Hall and Eberle entered the league, Shawn Horcoff was mentor and babysitter for a long while. I don’t know that needed it, but Yakupov would have benefited imo. So, I’d put Yakupov on a 3line with Gordon and Ryan Smyth.

    But if you do that, there’s no way you can give that line the heavy D zone starts that Eakins has been giving the Gordon line this season. Yakupov is not nearly good enough defensively to be effective starting 60+% of the time in his own zone, and he would be lucky to get 20pts playing on such a line. Great for his confidence.

    So either the fourth line would end up with more D zone starts (shudder) or the top six would. If you give the line that Hemsky has moved to (say with Hall and RNH) more D zone starts to take pressure off the third line, you counteract the reason you’ve moved Hemsky to the top 6 in the first place and take O zone time from Hall to boot. But if you don’t give Hemsky’s line the extra D zone time then you’re expecting a Gagner-Perron-Eberle line to do more of the defensive heavy lifting. Ugh.

    I just don’t see how Eakins can be criticised for looking at his 3 best RWs and deciding that the only one who is a proven two way player belongs on the third line with heavy D zone starts.

  82. Marc says:

    AZOIL: I think they could have held guys like eberle more accountable. Not just hand him the reigns but make him earn it a little or at least demote him once in awhile and throw hemsky in his place if he wasn’t being a full player. Hard to say what to do though. Every will freak when hemsky does good, but we knew that and our hands were tied!

    That would only work if you do the same thing to Hall and RNH and Gagner though. Eberle is not making any mistakes that they’re not all making too.

  83. Pouzar says:

    So no Klefbom tonight?

  84. Lowetide says:

    Marc: But if you do that, there’s no way you can give that line the heavy D zone starts that Eakins has been giving the Gordon line this season. Yakupov is not nearly good enough defensively to be effective starting 60+% of the time in his own zone, and he would be lucky to get 20pts playing on such a line. Great for his confidence.

    So either the fourth line would end up with more D zone starts (shudder) or the top six would. If you give the line that Hemsky has moved to (say with Hall and RNH) more D zone starts to take pressure off the third line, you counteract the reason you’ve moved Hemsky to the top 6 in the first place and take O zone time from Hall to boot.But if you don’t give Hemsky’s line the extra D zone time then you’re expecting a Gagner-Perron-Eberle line to do more of the defensive heavy lifting. Ugh.

    I just don’t see how Eakins can be criticised for looking at his 3 best RWs and deciding that the only one who is a proven two way player belongs on the third line with heavy D zone starts.

    You’re changing the line, here. You asked me how to get Hemsky onto the skill lines and I did it. The club would clearly have to adjust (using the Nuge line in more d-zone faceoffs, Gagner line too) but that wasn’t the issue presented to me.

  85. wheatnoil says:

    From http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=708507&navid=DL|EDM|home

    [on Klefbom] “He’s a player that we can look at for trying to preserve a win,” Coach Nelson said in a late February interview. “If we’re up by a goal, we’re putting him out for the last minute of play.”

    That’s high praise… Nelson is usually pretty honest on his player assessments. Impressive for a rookie defenseman in the AHL.

  86. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Barons take every penalty in the books in the 2nd, well, really just Pinizzotto (game misconduct, 5 min major and 2 min minor), followed by a couple more minors by Davidson. Two 5×3 goals later, Barons down 4-2.

    Awful period. terrible discipline.

  87. jp says:

    Anyone watching the Barons game? Just checking the boxscore and it appears the team/Pinizzotto have had a bit of a melt down mid-2nd period.

    Rochester scored back to back PPGs 14 seconds apart (at 12:53 and 13:07). And the penalty line is quite something:
    2 – OKC Eager, 7:35 – Interference, 2 min (PP)
    2 – OKC Ford, 8:14 – High-sticking, 2 min (PP)
    2 – OKC Pinizzotto, 11:31 – Interference, 2 min (PP)
    2 – OKC Pinizzotto, 11:31 – Fighting, 5 min (PP)
    2 – OKC Pinizzotto, 11:31 – Misconduct, 10 min
    2 – RCH Tardif, 11:31 – Game misconduct, 10 min
    2 – OKC Davidson, 12:31 – Slashing, 2 min (PP)
    2 – OKC Davidson, 12:53 – Unsportsmanlike conduct, 2 min (PP)
    2 – OKC Pinizzotto, 13:07 – Game misconduct, 10 min

    Davidson and Pinizzotto getting penalties when they should still have been in the box (or upon exiting) is a little sketchy. Just curious what’s going on if anyone knows.

  88. wheatnoil says:

    I’m not watching the game… but on the surface that can’t help Davidson’s cause. With Klefbom called up in the midst of a playoff race, costing your team points with unnecessary penalties probably isn’t going to help your cause with all these young D coming through the pipeline.

  89. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    There’s no link to the game that I can find. I’ve been listening here:

    http://www.live365.com/stations/okcbarons

    OKC commercials are hilariously OKC. lotsa gun ads.

  90. AZOIL says:

    Marc: That would only work if you do the same thing to Hall and RNH and Gagner though.Eberle is not making any mistakes that they’re not all making too.

    No I agree, I meant them all! It’s tough to do too! How did Chicago do it? If I recall it was learn as we go with some on the job training!

  91. VanOil says:

    If Simpson sign this spring and if OKC make the playoffs can he play in them? If he signs it will likely include blowing a year of his ELC. Does he have to play or be on the roster in the NHL or AHL for this to happen?

    With the log jam of rookie D in OKC already it would hardly be like sending Eberle down after Jr for a playoff run but still I would like to see Simpson play and a taste of playing pro would help his motivation in the summer.

  92. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Horak (Arco)

    Arco… wowzers… he can play.

  93. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    TIED!!!

    4-4

    Hunt (Horak)

    This Horak is ok … hahaha

  94. Lowetide says:

    Horak (Arco)
    Horak (Arco, Hunt)

  95. Lowetide says:

    VanOil:
    If Simpson sign this spring and if OKC make the playoffs can he play in them? If he signs it will likely include blowing a year of his ELC. Does he have to play or be on the roster in the NHL or AHL for this to happen?

    With the log jam of rookie D in OKC already it would hardly be like sending Eberle down after Jr for a playoff run but still I would like to see Simpson play and a taste of playing pro would help his motivation in the summer.

    I think they’ll sign him and play him, blowing one year of the entry deal. The kid has options, Oil will imo want to secure him.

  96. wheatnoil says:

    Lowetide: I think they’ll sign him and play him, blowing one year of the entry deal. The kid has options, Oil will imo want to secure him.

    Due to his age, would it be a 2-year ELC (like Schultz)? If so, that would mean if the Oilers burned an ELC year, Simpson would be an RFA after one season in 2015. (Not saying the Oilers shouldn’t do this… just wanting to clarify)

  97. Marc says:

    Lowetide: You’re changing the line, here. You asked me how to get Hemsky onto the skill lines and I did it. The club would clearly have to adjust (using the Nuge line in more d-zone faceoffs, Gagner line too) but that wasn’t the issue presented to me.

    Sorry. Not trying to change the goalposts.

    My point is simply that I think any ‘devaluation’ of Hemsky by the way he was used this season is merely a consequence of an entirely rational deployment of resources by the coach. It would of course have been possible to use Hemsky in such a way as to make him more valuable, but most of them seem to me to be likely to make the team even worse, or put a younger play either in a position they’re not suited to/ready for or one that doesn’t suit their skills.

    As such, any ‘devaluation’ of Hemsky this season seems preferable to the alternatives.

  98. fifthcartel says:

    I would be pretty okay with a Horak-Lander-Arcobello 4th line. If Arcobello isn’t in the plans, maybe a Horak-Lander-Pitlick line?

    Play Gazdic when they think his ‘skills’ need to be used.

  99. Lowetide says:

    Marc: Sorry. Not trying to change the goalposts.

    My point is simply that I think any ‘devaluation’ of Hemsky by the way he was used this season is merely a consequence of an entirely rational deployment of resources by the coach. It would of course have been possible to use Hemsky in such a way as to make him more valuable, but most of them seem to me to belikely to make the team even worse, or put a younger play either in a position they’re not suited to/ready for or one that doesn’t suit their skills.

    As such, any ‘devaluation’ of Hemskythis season seems preferable to the alternatives.

    I don’t agree with rewarding young players based on pedigree.

  100. theres oil in virginia says:

    Pouzar: LOL….No it doesn’t

    I’m such a doof! I didn’t get that ’til I read your response.

    G Money: “G Aoaniaix”?

    Yeah, that looks hateful enough. (It looks Cajun, too.)

  101. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Davidson (horak, arco)

    Barons win in OT!!!

    take that refs!!

    woot, woot!

  102. godot10 says:

    I think the way it works is one signs Simpson to an AHL contract for the remainder of this season, and the ELC doesn”t kick in till next year.

    One doesn’t lose a year.

    But I could be wrong.

  103. Lowetide says:

    Davidson (Horak, Arco) win it in OT. Nice.

  104. Pouzar says:

    Jezzuz.

    Horak, Arco, Lander.

    So is Horak a permanent LWer now?

  105. Pouzar says:

    “Shea Weber has just two assists in his last eight games and has a combined minus-3 rating.”

    BUM!!!

    TRADE HIS ASS POILE!!!!!!!!!!!!

  106. G Money says:

    Pouzar: TRADE HIS ASS POILE!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Trade the rest of him too!!!!!!!!

  107. gr8one says:

    Distinct kicking motion!

    Oh wait…nm.

  108. "Steve Smith" says:

    G Money: Trade the rest of him too!!!!!!!!

    Is that what people mean by “complete defenceman”?

    (I don’t actually mind if we let Smyth walk, as long as we keep his ass.)

  109. justDOit says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    I wonder if even Smyth knows how many goals have gone in off that thing?

  110. G Money says:

    “Steve Smith”: Is that what people mean by “complete defenceman”?

    (I don’t actually mind if we let Smyth walk, as long as we keep his ass.)

    Hmm, the implications of that last one are a bit worrisome to consider on a PG-rated blog like this.

    On the other hand, you may have solved the Oilers defense woes.

    “FFS Ference, use your eyes!!! What? You forgot them in the dressing room? My bad.”

    “C’mon Schultz, all you are is a pair of legs out there on the ice!”

  111. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Nuge cheating for offence flying the zone on the first goal. Kid has been bad since Olympics. Nice goal Hall.

  112. Pouzar says:

    Dirty dish.

  113. Pouzar says:

    Best start in a while.

  114. RexLibris says:

    Stajan taking a leave of absence after the death of his newborn.

    Horrible. I shudder at the thought.

  115. Lowetide says:

    Nice goal by Hall, sweet play by Perron too. Skill. Love it!

  116. OilClog says:

    Putting 64,93,14 as a line against the kings is ludacris.

    Eakins is literally too smart for his own good it seems

  117. tcho says:

    Well I’ll be damned. The Oil have not looked totally outclassed so far by my eye. Cool.

  118. flyfish1168 says:

    Who is Regehr’s new hitting bag? He must be missing Hemmer.

  119. VanOil says:

    We are tied with LA.

    Fraser played more than Petry.

  120. Lowetide says:

    Mike Smith tearing them apart but for me that was a decent period against a superior team. The 3rd pairing is an AHL duo so that’s an issue. I feel bad for Mark Fraser, he reminds me of Igor Ulanov that year he came over from Edmonton. He was awful. Credit though, he came back next fall and worked like a bugger to make a career for himself. Then he left UFA for a big payday. I didn’t care. I thought he was terrific.

    Can Fraser do that? He’s not mobile.

  121. G Money says:

    I like the fact that early in the season the other team would get a weak chance and it would surprisingly end up in the net, but now the other team gets a great chance and surprisingly it doesn’t end up in the net.

    I still believe that if we had that early in the season, this team would have been much better with a lot more buy in to the defensive system.

  122. Pouzar says:

    Hendricks with the “A” tonight?

  123. jp says:

    godot10:
    I think the way it works is one signs Simpson to an AHL contract for the remainder of this season, and the ELC doesn”t kick in till next year.

    One doesn’t lose a year.

    But I could be wrong.

    Not sure about the AHL contract, but agree that he shouldn’t need to burn a year of his ELC to play in the AHL playoffs. Eberle (for instance) played in Springfield in 09 and 10 prior to actually staring his ELC in 2010-11. Shouldn’t be an issue for Simpson.

  124. G Money says:

    Wow, that was a ludicrously soft and stupid giveaway by Ference.

  125. Pouzar says:

    Man I love Scrivens

  126. RexLibris says:

    Heck of a shot by Koe at to finish the 5th end.

  127. Pouzar says:

    Ryan Jones. Man.

  128. OilClog says:

    Fraser should not be in the NHL even as a 7th. Give me Teddy before this guy.

    Larsen/Fraser.. Holy fuck.

    I can see why though you don’t throw Klef in against the Kings.

    Ulanov would destroy Fraser.

  129. OilClog says:

    Joenssu can’t possibly be on the team next year, or jones.

  130. RexLibris says:

    Ulanov.

    What a blueliner.

    He’s got three kids, do any of them play hockey and might one of them be interested in playing for the Oilers? ;)

  131. Captain Smarmy says:

    godot10: Patrick Roy has his goaltending guru Francois Allaire in Colorado.He must see something he can work with in Berra.

    That’s no reason to buy high.

  132. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ooph that 4th line.

    The 3rd line though has looked ok. JJ with a step? Is this the JJ we saw in preseason and that 1st game of the season?

  133. RexLibris says:

    Based on ES the Oilers are getting absolutely killed by the numbers.

  134. Pouzar says:

    Gagner flies the zone again…high stick after.

    But jezzuz Hall….why do that?

  135. jake70 says:

    Gagner doesn’t take that penalty if Hall doesn’t turn it over on that bonehead pass from near his goal line earlier in the shift.

  136. Andy P says:

    We all know Nultz was not quite a happy camper in that dressing room. Talented, loyal, hard working Hemmers had to be past sick and tired of the years since he played that Game 7 against Carolina.

    I don’t really care what happens to Nultz, who clearly got lucky, but I di care that Hemmers will, at last, get to play on a competitive NHL team that will play him alongside the talent he deserves.

    Having said that I wonder if there is perhaps a little less heaviness in the dressing room these days?

    Finally, they’re not dragging their sticks around but I’m not seeing much passion on the ice either.

    fwiw (which I know is not much)

  137. leadfarmer says:

    I wouldn’t be too upset if none of these forwards or defenseman were brought back next year.

  138. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    God lord this team is awful, comically so.

  139. RexLibris says:

    I wonder if Scrivens tries to hide in Kopitar’s bag at the end of the game? Maybe submits a plea for asylum?

  140. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    God lord this team is awful, comically so.

    I went to the Messier retirement game. The jersey retirement was interesting with everyone in the stands cursing Lowe and almost hoping he’d appear on ice so they could boo him for the Smyth trade that day.

    The ceremony was emotional and inspiring.

    Then they played the game and I kid you not the Oilers couldn’t make a ten-foot pass in their zone.

    Most everyone was furious at the game.

    Personally, I felt it was perfect theatre. The opening act was a tragedy and then they closed with a comedy. I cried and I laughed. What more could you ask.

  141. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Poor Scrivens.

    Maybe we’ll see Fasth after all.

  142. The Great One says:

    Schultz is awful.

  143. G Money says:

    Another soft horrible giveaway by Ference. Whats up with that guy? Did he really fall off that big a cliff? The two blatant giveaways I’ve seen are not coaching, they’re 100% on the player.

  144. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    This kind of thing is good. Grounds Eakins and MacT’s ridiculous talk that the team has been improving.

    The team certainly hasn’t. The goaltending has dramatically. But only a fool or a cynic would elide the difference.

  145. "Steve Smith" says:

    G Money:
    Another soft horrible giveaway by Ference.Whats up with that guy?Did he really fall off that big a cliff?The two blatant giveaways I’ve seen are not coaching, they’re 100% on the player.

    By the numbers, he was pretty lousy his last year in Boston too.

  146. G Money says:

    Because this is such an exciting close game, I’m shopping for summer tires for my wife’s minivan, which are basically worn out and will need to be replaced before the winters come off. Then I came back to this page and lo and behold, the tires I’m looking at are being advertised in the banner at the top of the page. Hmmmm.

  147. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    The Great One:
    Schultz is awful.

    I’ll have to watch again, but that wasn’t on him. Took a hit to make a play to his partner who promptly gave it away because he didn’t bother to see if he had any time and options. Also, the wingers were playing above the passing lane. Gagner floating.

  148. G Money says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    Not nearly this bad though. I suppose having Boston’s defensemen and forwards on the ice with you might make life a bit less challenging.

  149. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    G Money:
    Because this is such an exciting close game, I’m shopping for summer tires for my wife’s minivan, which are basically worn out and will need to be replaced before the winters come off.Then I came back to this page and lo and behold, the tires I’m looking at are being advertised in the banner at the top of the page.Hmmmm.

    How do you know this team is garbage?

    Your tire talk is more interesting that this shit.

  150. G Money says:

    Think that’ll be a penalty on Nolan? Nothing they’ve done so far has caused the refs to see it that way. Any other team but LA and a sucker punch like that is five and a game I would think.

  151. G Money says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    LOL. Yes. Ouch.

  152. tcho says:

    Honestly, I don’t get the love for Ulanov. Puck was like a live grenade for that guy. Made my sphincter tighten every time he came near it.

  153. PDO says:

    G Money:
    Think that’ll be a penalty on Nolan?Nothing they’ve done so far has caused the refs to see it that way.Any other team but LA and a sucker punch like that is five and a game I would think.

    That should be a lengthy suspension. That’s cowardly, gutless and pathetic.

    Much like the Edmonton Oilers.

  154. flyfish1168 says:

    Alberta- 9 BC-4 after 7

  155. The Great One says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I’ll have to watch again, but that wasn’t on him. Took a hit to make a play to his partner who promptly gave it away because he didn’t bother to see if he had any time and options. Also, the wingers were playing above the passing lane. Gagner floating.

    Standing in front of the net covering no one.

  156. VanOil says:

    The the Tank battle is getting serious. Buff, Florida and Oil all losing with style today. Tomorrow Calgary v. L.A and NYI v. Vancouver the ball is in your court. Or would the puck is in your net be more appropriate with this lot?

  157. VanOil says:

    If you do not score a short handed goal against the Oilers you should feel shame.

  158. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Smythy Record!!

    edit… crap. thought that was Smyth’s

  159. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    The Great One: Standing in front of the net covering no one.

    He’s supposed to run out of position into the high slot to cover Gagner’s man?

    Unless I’m remembering the play wrong, you’ve picked the wrong target.

  160. The Great One says:

    The goal was scored from right in front of the net.

    He was waving at the crowd.

  161. G Money says:

    Anyone giving odds on a shortie?

  162. G Money says:

    I like that Eakins is giving Smyth a shot at the record.

  163. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Now Ference. Ference is terrible.

  164. VanOil says:

    Impressive Scrivens gives up 4 goals against but the way things are going could improve on his league leading SV%

  165. tcho says:

    Outshot 2-1. :-(

  166. PunjabiOil says:

    My friends suggest I’m bonkers for hoping the Oilers lose games to finish the season in efforts to secure a top 2/3 pick. The arguments go back and forth (and I’m heavily outnumbered).

    My reasons:

    1. Season is a sunk cost. Meaningless wins this year will have little impact on the standings in upcoming years.

    2. Winning games when heavily outshot or outchanced isn’t progress.

    3. Half the players on the current team might not be around next year

    4. A quick turnaround is possible. See Colorado. And like prospect development, rebuilds are also not linear. See Islanders, New York.

    The opposing arguments are centered around:

    1. Team needs to create an identity that losing is not acceptable

    2. “We already have enough draft picks. What has it got us”

    3. Winning games now will help us next year via experience

    _______________

    what do you think, Lowetiders?

  167. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Looks like asshole Brown might have injured Yak. sounds right.

  168. gogliano says:

    Scrivens has allowed 4 goals and has a .920 save percentage.

    Because Oilers.

  169. tcho says:

    PunjabiOil,

    Tank. I guess. Hard to care too much anymore. How many seasons have we been having this debate?

  170. striatic says:

    PunjabiOil: The opposing arguments are centered around:

    You need to add:

    4. Winning games will create an image of forward progress that will allow UFAs to convince themselves that taking the overpay isn’t entirely about the $$$, and that they are indeed Hockey Players, not soulless mercenaries.

  171. VanOil says:

    Scrivens should of got a shots against bonus written into his contract.

  172. Rondo says:

    LA needed to win this game and brought their A game. Good for the Oilers to see what a playoff team looks like when they bring their A game.

  173. striatic says:

    Watching the Boston/Florida game on the Boston feed, they had a live “Fan Poll” about which hockey team had the “Brightest Future” – Florida, Edmonton and I think Calgary and Columbus. Edmonton won the poll walking way with over 50% of the vote.

    Boston fans obviously don’t watch many Oilers games.

  174. book¡je says:

    It comes down to this for me.

    Winning games might keep some of the key players on this team from demanding a trade. It might also help to convince a FA to come here. It also give me hope that this coach and team are not simply dead.

    Losing is better because lets face it, one more really good draft pick couldn’t hurt.

    Hopefully, they play very competitively, but don’t get the bounces and the other bottom feeder teams go on host streaks.

  175. russ99 says:

    Ugh. 14 more games before this season is in the books and MacT’s Extreme Makeover – Summer Edition can start.

  176. jake70 says:

    Hall with another beauty pass to opposing team (Kopitar). He needs to erase this from his game. This team commits more unforced errors than Raonic.

  177. russ99 says:

    book¡je,

    I really don’t know what we can get from this season anymore, considering nothing’s changing – just want to see it over and the many, necessary changes start getting done.

    Going to take a much better roster and different approach from Lowe on down to really change the culture next season.

  178. G Money says:

    jake70,

    You know the fans of this team are bitter when we resort to taking shots at the best mens singles tennis player Canada has ever had!

  179. G Money says:

    PunjabiOil,

    From a business perspective, it’s a no brainer. A high pick is worth more than any minor cultural improvement a few wins will create.

    By the way, you have a typo. I’m pretty sure this team already has an identity in which winning is not acceptable!

  180. magisterrex says:

    G Money:
    PunjabiOil,

    From a business perspective, it’s a no brainer.A high pick is worth more than any minor cultural improvement a few wins will create.

    By the way, you have a typo.I’m pretty sure this team already has an identity in which winning is not acceptable!

    Exciting Last Place Hockey, here we come!

  181. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    The pick or its value at the exchange table matters way more than some moral victory of winning games.

    This kind of psychological stuff forgets how quickly people, esp. groups can turn on a dime about their feels. Just watch the way the MSM handles wins/loses on a team like Toronto, let alone any other team… start actually winning next year it will matter.

    What might have value is Eakins sorting out a few things with the crew. But 60+ games and there’s no improvement here. The Oly break did nothing. They haven’t got a clue.

  182. sliderule says:

    PunjabiOil:
    My friends suggest I’m bonkers for hoping the Oilers lose games to finish the season in efforts to secure a top 2/3 pick.The arguments go back and forth (and I’m heavily outnumbered).

    My reasons:

    1.Season is a sunk cost.Meaningless wins this year will have little impact on the standings in upcoming years.

    2.Winning games when heavily outshot or outchanced isn’t progress.

    3.Half the players on the current team might not be around next year

    4.A quick turnaround is possible.See Colorado.And like prospect development, rebuilds are also not linear. See Islanders, New York.

    The opposing arguments are centered around:

    1.Team needs to create an identity that winning is not acceptable

    2. “We already have enough draft picks.What has it got us”

    3.Winning games now will help us next year via experience

    _______________

    what do you think, Lowetiders?

    The oilers need Ekblad.

    You can see the improvement in the team with Marincin a rookie being our second best defender

    That’s why I hope the only win 4 or 5 games and finish second last.

    If they finish higher there will be Draisaitl Bennett or Reinhart as consolations.

    Ekblad from reports and from what I have seen should be a number one D for 15 years.

    Eight months from now the core of the team and the fans won’t remember any meaningless wins.

  183. fifthcartel says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Last year it was 2 wins that made a difference between Seth Jones/Lindholm/Monahan and Nurse. (at least, i think).

    I think Nurse will be a really good player but I would rather have Jones than him, which is why I think winning games they shouldn’t won’t help.

    Ekblad/Bennett/Draisaitl is a much better pick than a 5-7 pick imo.

  184. Rondo says:

    I really don’t know why fans get upset with games like this. They put together a good run against non playoff teams with great goaltending. Now they play a playoff team with a reason to win and they lose.
    After 8 years of losing why should anyone be upset they are not a very good NHL team.

  185. Rondo says:

    fifthcartel,

    Oilers will not get much better if they had the # 1 pick for the next 5 years. Their philosophy is wrong and has been proven to be wrong.

  186. VanOil says:

    Eakins post game press conference was very short. Edmonton media knows that the fans don’t care any more, until the draft, so are mailing in there questions.

  187. VanOil says:

    sliderule: The oilers need Ekblad.

    Are you sure? Other than reaching physical maturity early what makes Ekblad better than; Seth Jones, Ryan Murray, Griffen Reinhart or Adam Larrson. All of them touted as 1D for the next 15 years and all of them contributing bupkis to there NHL teams this March.

    I would rather pick a Center or trade the pick for Kulikov, Reinhart or Larrson than pick Ekblad. They will be better players for the next 3 years for sure and are just as likely to be 1D for the next 15 years as Ekblad.

  188. gogliano says:

    Well I think one thing we should be cheering for is for Scrivens to continue to play like a bona fide #1 goalie.

    If he’s a .930 that is a huge item going forward and is worth it even it ends up costing us a notch or two in the draft rankings. And if we’re winning games it probably means that Scrivens is continuing to put up elite goalie numbers.

  189. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide:
    Mike Smith tearing them apart but for me that was a decent period against a superior team. The 3rd pairing is an AHL duo so that’s an issue. I feel bad for Mark Fraser, he reminds me of Igor Ulanov that year he came over from Edmonton. He was awful. Credit though, he came back next fall and worked like a bugger to make a career for himself. Then he left UFA for a big payday. I didn’t care. I thought he was terrific.

    Can Fraser do that? He’s not mobile.

    Neil Smith? Everything he said is true, but I agree with you, this could be much worse. LA is good enough and big enough (and playing well enough lately) to take the small advantage they gain by winning puck battles and turn it into a large shots advantage. The Oilers are making little mistakes like not clearing the zone when the opportunity is there and eventually giving up a goal due to attrition in the defensive zone. I suppose you could call it luck, but those lucky goals wouldn’t have happened if guys had previously made simple plays to clear the puck.

    I think the good news is that the mistakes are not due to cheating for offense, or lack of effort, but rather due to not playing defense quite well enough against a bigger team. It looks like they’ve bought in and just aren’t good enough. The forwards are not quite good enough at clearing the zone, but they are getting better. The gap between forwards and defense is still not tight enough. The defensemen still make too many soft plays with the puck (cough, Ference, cough).

    I also think TOJ is pretty much correct when he asserts that they simply need more size/strength to be able to regularly compete against these heavy western teams – they don’t win enough puck battles. Guys like Fraser and Joensuu have it, which I think explains why they are getting at bats. Fraser sucks, but he’s getting better. That’s really a testament to how bad he was at first. If he’s coachable, and Eakins thinks he can bring him along, maybe they re-sign him.

  190. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    theres oil in virginia: Fraser sucks, but he’s getting better. That’s really a testament to how bad he was at first. If he’s coachable, and Eakins thinks he can bring him along, maybe they re-sign him.

    He’s not a prospect, or a work in progress. this is a fully formed terrible defenseman.

  191. theres oil in virginia says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: He’s not a prospect, or a work in progress. this is a fully formed terrible defenseman.

    Ha! Yeah, I agree. I’m not hoping they sign him, just wondering if they will.

  192. gcw_rocks says:

    VanOil,

    Ryan Murray is injured, but otherwise had been playing top four minutes.

  193. VanOil says:

    gcw_rocks:
    VanOil,

    Ryan Murray is injured, but otherwise had been playing top four minutes.

    I chose this March as a snap shot for a reason ;) Top 4 is good, Marty Marincin good, it is still not 1D in draft +2. Expecting Ekblad to be a 1D in any of his draft + 3 years seems folly. Especially without a true 1D on the team to mentor him.

  194. hoser313 says:

    Team needs to practice effectively exiting the defensive zone.

    Need Ryan Smyth to show the other wingers how to properly pass, dump, chip or deflect pucks out of the zone from the boards.

    On a more positive point, I think it’s worth noting that Scrivens showed up to play in a game that undoubtedly would have been important to him. Might be a useful skill for a goaltender to have.

  195. stevezie says:

    fifthcartel,

    To me, and I’m just a guy, it looks like there are four elite picks and the oil are assured of a bottom five finish. There is also the chance someone above us wins the lottery and bumps us down.

    So yes, it is very possible we miss one of the big fish, but I can’t shake the idea that another twenty games of tanking will damage the franchise more than missing an elite prospect will. You could argue the damage is already done, but I believe it can always get worse.

    I hope they win a lot of games. Of course, if what I hope for had any affect on things I might sit down and rethink.

  196. The Great One says:

    Rondo:
    LA needed to win this game and brought their A game. Good for the Oilers to see what a playoff team looks like when theybring their A game.

    That wasn’t the Kings’ A game…not even close.

    They played the Oilers run and gun style and ran them out of the barn.

    The Kings A game is much nastier.

  197. Lowetide says:

    Oilers tweeted out Lander sent back, with Klefbom stays.

  198. gogliano says:

    The loser bowl standings:

    CAL: 0.445
    18 games remaining
    SOS: 9 home, 9 away.
    # of games against non-playoff teams* (DET/CLB as both in): 9

    NYI: 0.432
    16 games remaining
    SOS: 8 home, 8 away.
    # of games against non-playoff teams (DET/CLB as both in): 10

    Florida: 0.430
    18 games remaining
    SOS: 11 home, 7 away.
    # of games against non-playoff teams (DET/CLB as both in): 9

    EDM: 0.400
    17 games. SOS: 10 home, 7 away
    # of games against non-playoff teams (DET/CLB as both in): 6

    BUF: 0.359
    18 games remaining
    SOS: 6 home, 12 away
    # of games against non-playoff teams (DET/CLB as both in): 9

    * Eastern Conference: BUF, NYI, FLA, CAR, OTT, NJ, WAS; Western Conference: EDM, CAL, NAS, WIN, VAN, PHX

  199. jp says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: He’s not a prospect, or a work in progress. this is a fully formed terrible defenseman.

    Well said, and I don’t think there’s any debate that Fraser has been terrible in his time with the Oilers. But I’m still a bit confused why most seem to have concluded he has no chance of being a passable bottom pairing defenseman. Even those who are typically strong proponents of using Corsi to evaluate players seem to be ignoring it in this case.

    Fraser’s CorsiRel in the 4 seasons where he’s played at least 10 GP:

    09-10 NJ 61GP -3.7
    10-11 NJ 26GP +7.7
    12-13 Tor 45GP +2.8
    13-14 Tor/Edm 24GP -8.2 (from BTN and not fully up to date)

    He’s always played 3rd pairing competition. In NJ he got a zone start push, in Tor/Edm he’s gotten difficult zone starts. And I know he was likely helped along by Franson last season. But these simply are not terrible results for a bottom pairing defenseman (at least prior to this year where he may still be suffering the after effects of a serious injury).

    If he’s “not terrible”, brings a physical presence, can clear the front of the net, and could make dressing Gazdic or another dedicated enforcer unnecessary, is that not potentially useful? I’m not suggesting he’ll ever be a “good” hockey player, but if he can play at the level he did from 2009-2013 it seems to me he could hold his own on the 3rd pairing and play a role. It just seems the conclusions drawn about him have been a little premature and a little harsh.

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