OILERS AT RED WINGS, G68 13-14

The Edmonton Oilers lost in St. Louis last night, but the big news came during the intermission of the TSN broadcast. Darren Dreger spent at least a minute telling a national audience about the Oilers and Yakupov.

  • Dreger: “I would say it’s unlikely that he’s an Edmonton Oiler next season. So it makes sense that they’ll try and move him. They were trying to move him at various points this season. Word is out that Nail Yakupov is available. The problem is, no one really wants him. Certainly not for the value that the Edmonton Oilers are going to need to get back in return. And you can see why. He had opportunities in this game early on. He scored one goal in his last 11 games. He was on the ice late in the game when the Blues scored to tie the hockey game. He’s an NHL worst -30. He lacks commitment. He thinks that skill is enough to be an NHL player. And the unfortunate reality for Nail Yakupov is that, yes, he’s a skilled player, but not an elite level skill player. And until he finds a way to absorb the message, the market on Nail Yakupov isn’t going to be great. They might have to package him with a collection of assets to get something better in return.”

My thanks to David Staples for transcribing. Amazing. There’s a lot in that paragraph that sounds like fact, but also a generous helping of “I would say” and “word is out” in there. I do wonder if Dave Nonis is perhaps using his position as Leafs GM/Dreger confidant as a bully pulpit. We’ll never know, and I’m not making an accusation, but there’s some fairly specific things in there. Who knows, maybe the Oilers are fine with this kind of public flogging of their number one overall picks. How would I know? I’m just a fan. I would say there’s enough in that piece to openly wonder about the origins of this verbal, and word is out that insider information now involves very specific information on players. I have noticed this with Kadri and now Yakupov. Very interesting, indeed.

libett

That’s Nick Libett (Red Wings) and Murray Wilson (Habs) 1970s. At that time, Detroit was a poor team, the lowest of the original six. The team had gotten old and then Ned Harkness killed everything else. Libett was Detroit’s best player for several years. Libett played for Detroit during a time no one was paying attention, so you’ve got to look long and hard to find anyone who remembers him. He was a good player, though. The one season they gave Libett a reasonable center (Marcel Dionne) he scored 31 goals.

The Red Wings have been a very good team for a long time. From 1970 through 1983, they made the playoffs only once. Since then, they’ve missed the playoffs twice and won 4 Stanleys. The golden era of Detroit hockey was 1950 to 1955, when the Red Wings won 4 Stanleys. Due to the increased number of teams and the difficulty of winning in the modern era, I believe the Red Wings of today represent the very best in franchise history.

Except. Except, today is not going well. We’ll see an injury-plagued Red Wing team tonight scratching for a playoff spot.

YOUTH IS WASTED ON ALL THE WRONG PEOPLE

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I think we need to have a conversation about prospects and young players. Sometimes we all need a reminder about one true thing: young hockey players do not develop in a straight line. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is 20—TWENTY!—and he is currently on a line that does not contain Taylor Hall. Remember when we talked about Taylor Hall pushing the river? Well, Nuge and Eberle aren’t the players Hall is, we know this. It’s also true that RNH is 17 months younger than Hall. That’s a large item, ladies. And he plays a difficult position and is penalty killing along with his other chores.

You can choose to panic and write comments about Nuge going backwards as a player if you wish, this is a blog built for expression. However, I think it’s time for me to list a few home truths about the current Oilers.

  • RNH is 20 and playing the best opposition on the planet. How many 20-year old centermen in the NHL face the same opposition?
  • Jordan Eberle has never been a physical player. Instead of focusing on things he can’t do, it’s probably a better idea to enjoy the things he can do—like score goals. That’s a pretty difficult thing to do. And don’t tell me I’m ignoring the Eberle issues—I said many times that trading Hemsky is a bad idea because there’s no coverage now, and this is what we’re seeing.
  • Taylor Hall is a wonderful player whose possession stats are out of whack with his career trajectory. The Oilers need to fix that—Tyler Dellow has been doing a wonderful job finding some answers there—but this player is absolutely golden.
  • Martin Marincin looks like a million bucks early. A year from now, he may not look as good because young players don’t develop in a straight line. It’s important to remember how well he’s playing now. If he can do that consistently, the Oilers have one of their top 4D for the next decade.
  • Oscar Klefbom is showing some very nice things. In both games he made some really good plays, knocking down pucks in the neutral zone, making deft passes and winning some battles with smarts. This is a nice player.
  • Nail Yakupov is just a kid, folks. I think it is very easy to see ‘lack of commitment’ when the truth is ‘confusion’ about role and place. I encourage patience in regard to this player.

Anyway, I don’t want to sound like some grumpy old guy, but these are really fine young hockey players. I’ve seen Oiler fans turn on players, and expect Sam Gagner is the next one. It’s a damn shame, really. Somehow the clock in our brain only makes allowances for injuries for a limited time, and then we expect things to go back to normal. In Gagner’s case, the injury was so severe we have not seen that, and of course he is a flawed player. I’m hopeful Oiler fans don’t turn on the Nuge one day, but sadly our track record is very poor.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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Friday! Lots of fun on today’s show, 10 this morning on TSN 1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports.We’ll talk NHL GM meetings, Canada’s NHL teams playing poorly, changes at HNIC.
  • Paul Almeida, Saturday Sports Extra. We’ll tee up the new show, which is into week four already tomorrow.
  • Mark Spizzirri, Puckrant. The Red Wings are banged up and trying to get into the playoffs. We’ll get an update from Mark.
  • Corey Graham, Oil Kings pbp. OK end the season with btb’s against Red Deer and another 50-win season is on the line. A great run.
  • Michael Parkatti, Boys on the Bus. We’ll discuss last night’s game and I’ll ask Michael about the wisdom of trading Yakupov now.
  • FC Edmonton, gearing up for their season with new players and a brand new kit.
  • Jungle Jim Hunter, Paralympics—Russian dominance and disappointment in sledge hockey.

10-1260 via text, @Lowetide_ on twitter and it’s going to be a blast!

A POINT OF INTEREST

There will be a free public lecture on hockey analytics at the University of Alberta on Wednesday March 26th at noon. The event will be hosted by the Communication & Technology Graduate Program at the downtown campus in Edmonton. The main objectives of the session are to introduce the key concepts of hockey analytics and some of the current methods to measure player and team performance. This session will also examine how the field of hockey analytics has grown and the role fans have played in its development.  I’ll be speaking at the event to share my research as a student at the U of A. I’ll be joined by Michael Parkatti who will provide his insight and experience.

Further details about the event can be found here: Please share with anyone that you think might be interested. The event will also be available via Livestream.

Regards,
Sunil Agnihotri
Website: www.thesuperfan.ca

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  1. eidy says:

    Happy pi day to all

  2. LMHF#1 says:

    A major problem going forward for this team is going to be that both the Coach and the GM seem to think that players such as Andrew Ference and Mark Fraser help you win.

    These guys are a distinct and visible negative. On both the “saw him” and statistical sides of things. They are terrible NHL defensemen. One may even be a pretty bad AHL defensemen. Yet, they are Coach favorites.

    I don’t see how you resolve this without someone being punted.

  3. Ducey says:

    LMHF#1:
    A major problem going forward for this team is going to be that both the Coach and the GM seem to think that players such as Andrew Ference and Mark Fraser help you win.

    These guys are a distinct and visible negative. On both the “saw him” and statistical sides of things. They are terrible NHL defensemen. One may even be a pretty bad AHL defensemen. Yet, they are Coach favorites.

    I don’t see how you resolve this without someone being punted.

    Really. How do you explain the fact MacT has focused on getting rid of stay at home types like Peckham, Fistric and Smid, brought in guys like Hunt and Larsen, and promoted Marincin and Klefbom?

  4. linkfromhyrule says:

    thank goodness we are facing a banged up red wings team. nhl.com lists the following. “In addition to Zetterberg, Detroit right wing Mikael Samuelsson (shoulder) is on IR. Datsyuk, goalie Jonas Gustavsson (groin) and forwards Darren Helm (upper body), Stephen Weiss (sports hernia) and Daniel Cleary (knee) are listed as day-to-day. Jurco and center Joakim Andersson (broken foot) are out.” Man, that’s like half their team!

    the powerplay needs to be taken out behind the woodshed and put out of its misery. Like, now.

    The oilers have played better of late, it’s true, but they are still being outshot. Usually they are outshot quite severely too. The sad thing is, the oilers are not even the worst team in the league in SA. We’re 26th right now. Toronto is horrid they’ve allowed just under 300 more SA than us!!!! But unfortunately we don’t play in the east.

    What Nonis has done in toronto is akin to putting a water pump on a sinking ship. Sure you’ll slow the sinking ship down a bit, but it’s not really a solution to the problem at hand.
    Nonis: “Boy Randy we sure do allow a lot of shots
    Carlyle: “But our shot quality is off the charts!”
    Nonis: “…You’re absolutely right. We just need better goaltending!”

    I’m praying that isn’t the solution MacT has in mind.

  5. eidy says:

    A few things I have been thinking about lately:

    1. Gagner has magnificent skill, but the passes he chooses to blindly make results in turnovers the majority of the time. They are wonderful plays that work in Junior, but at this level they don’t work as well. His defensive game is not just a result of the injury. He is routinely the first one to break north and the last to get back. I tried to start a drinking game where everytime one of the wingers covered for him or if he flew the centre of the ice to get to the wing for a breakout pass, but my liver and wallet were quitting on me.

    2. Team chemistry: I remember watching oilchange last year and whenever there was an outing it was Eberle-Hall-Nuge-Schultz and then they would pan to another group of MPS-Lander-Harti. It didn’t seem inclusive and it might have just been editing, but if you want a leader out of that first group, they have to be able to bridge the gap from the jacks and kings to the 7′s and 9′s.

    3. Klefbom has looked pretty decent, Marincin has been great, and oiler fans better not run Petry out of town

    4. He gets paid too much, but I like Hendricks. Doubt he can cover 4 years, but that 3rd line with gordon and joensuu has been pretty good at sawing off tough competition. He has been quite good on the PK as well. Its OK to dislike the contract, but I don’t mind the player. If you had Smyth/Pitlick/Lander/arco/Horak as the other line that would be alright and shouldn’t break the bank

    5. This team needs a 2nd line centre to help out Nuge.

    6. I still think Ranger ends up an oiler next year.

    7. Fraser is horrible. Coach is 1 for 4 on Marlie gambles

    8. Yakupov is an exceptional talent, but until he puts in the work, he will continue to be a target. I hope he figures it out, because when he is rolling he is great. Too many times he pulls the chute on forecheck and doesn’t finish the play.

    9. They end up picking 3rd in the draft and take the German Gretzky, then in round 5 they take colbe cave. 6 days different than chase. slipped through last years draft. Build through the centre at the draft
    now back to work

  6. LMHF#1 says:

    Ducey: Really.How do you explain the fact MacT has focused on getting rid of stay at home types like Peckham, Fistric and Smid, brought in guys like Hunt and Larsen, and promoted Marincin and Klefbom?

    Good lord…how about actually addressing the point instead of an attempted (and weak) deflection?

    Explain how and when Andrew Ference will be extracted from the roster with the current two in charge.

    Explain why Mark Fraser has been added by this GM and played over multiple more capable dmen by this coach.

  7. Evilas says:

    A couple things about last night.

    Gagner – I think the Cooke hit had an impact and it started to affect him later in the game

    The Hall play with Tarasenko ++, Hall was onside, bad call by linesman, his teammates were on a line change, so I think that 1 vs 4 situation has been overblown by fans (we didn’t see the entire rink on tv). The Blues bench was closer to their end, etc.

    Fraser – waive him, we know what he is- not an NHL player

  8. gvblackhawk says:

    All Oilers fans do is run players out of town. And bash Lowe. No wonder that no players will sign in Edmonton.

  9. su_dhillon says:

    I tweeted the same thing about Dreger last night, that sounded like he was doing someone else’s work maybe his uncle’s maybe someone else’s. The worst part for me is we know what Dreger is at this point but nobody else on that panel has the brain power to say, 1 the kid is 20 and under 100 GP so this isnt unexepected and 2 using +/- is unreasonably unfair to judge him on a bad team with terrible goaltending never mind that it is a terrible stat to use on individuals anyways.

    At this point Dreger is just playing a character who is an insider, dude is like a WWE heal that never breaks form.

  10. Caramel Obvious says:

    LMHF#1: Good lord…how about actually addressing the point instead of an attempted (and weak) deflection?

    Explain how and when Andrew Ference will be extracted from the roster with the current two in charge.

    Explain why Mark Fraser has been added by this GM and played over multiple more capable dmen by this coach.

    You’re the one who is dodging the point. Once a point of time the conversation was how Larsen was a coach favourite. Now, some think Fraser is a “coach favourite.”

    So first there isn’t enough here to make definitive inferences.

    Second, what is the evidence that Fraser is a favourite at all. He was fifth in icetime last night. The only guy he played more than was Klefbom.

    Now don’t get me wrong, I think Fraser is terrible. However, this is reading of the tea leaves. Maybe Fraser will be another Ryan Jones mistake but I’ll wait to complain about it when it happens.

    And I don’t see how it happens. If Ference, Schultz, Marincin and Petry are all back next year (which they likely are) and MacT knows this team is bad on D (which he must) then the new guys in have to be as good or better than those four. And nobody, not Eakins not MacT, thinks Fraser is that guy.

  11. Showerhead says:

    This Yak business is terrifying. There is no universe in which they get 100 cents on the dollar for him. He’s a world class talent and when he’s in the right spot, he can win the puck off a guy in a physical way too. Also: Nail Yakupov is 20 years, 5 months old. When Jordan Eberle was 20 years, 5 months old, he played his first NHL hockey game. Patience.

    Keep this player, teach this player. I see no other way.

  12. jake70 says:

    The Yakupov extension, be it after July 1 during summer, or after next season (offer sheet not liklely I would argue based on what’s happening this season).. will be interesting if it happens.

  13. linkfromhyrule says:

    jake70,

    I would have to think it will be a bridge contract a la subban right? Only tambo would be dumb enough to give him 6mil X 6 years

  14. Showerhead says:

    linkfromhyrule:
    jake70,

    I would have to think it will be a bridge contract a la subban right? Only tambo would be dumb enough to give him 6mil X 6 years

    I’d have to agree with this. He hasn’t played his way into a “make me part of the permanent foundation” sort of deal. Team and player would benefit from something more like 2 or 3 years, yes?

  15. jake70 says:

    linkfromhyrule: jake70, I would have to think it will be a bridge contract a la subban right? Only tambo would be dumb enough to give him 6mil X 6 years

    The X factor here could be Larionov, he has already been to Edmonton for Yak issues. Look at Nuge’s 2012-13 line…..40gp/4 goals/ 20 assists / 24 points – he got 7x6M

  16. frjohnk says:

    Yakupov has always been a player with high level skill compared to other players until he hit the nhl. He never really had to learn systems or play a good two way game because of this. Now in the nhl, he can’t just rely on his skill. He needs to learn other faucets of the game to be effective.

    When people say Ekblad is a man among boys in regards to his size in junior and that when he hits the nhl he won’t be as dominant as that advantage Ekblad has in junior will not be there in the nhl. I wonder if that holds true for Nail but in regards to his skill.

  17. rich says:

    Well timed article LT, and am especially glad you addressed the situation re: RNH.

    DSF and several others on this blog have been karping a lot lately about Nuge and his lack of goal scoring production. I think that’s just BS. Yes, he’s “almost 21″ (DSF), but he’s having to play either 1C or 2C as a 20 year old in the toughest league on the planet. And he’s also being asked to PK more and more.

    We need to be patient with him. He’s an outstanding talent who is going to be in the league for a long time. I get all the frustration with the team this year (I’m there too), but this kid is not the problem on this roster. We badly need help on the blue line, we badly need help in top six and running Nuge – or Yak out on a rail would be something that we’ll regret for a long, long time. It’s what bad teams (hello NYI) do and we need to not make that mistake.

  18. Caramel Obvious says:

    As to why the Oilers are struggling the reason is pretty obvious. They are getting nothing from Hopkins and Gagner and little from Eberle and Yakupov. The question is why?

    There is plenty of room for disagreement here. My view is that none of these players were ever as good as we thought.

    Eberle had his career year early driving by high shooting percentages. It happens. He’s still a quality player but he’s nothing like a star.

    The Hopkins hype was driven by a rookie year point total inflated by powerplay points, mostly assists. Power play production is heavily influenced by luck. He’s never been a top flight even-strength scorer. He’s only 20 and could get better but, again, he was never a star in the first place. He was lucky rather than good.

    Gagner’s shooting percentage has fallen. This is what unlucky Gagner looks like. Same player as lucky Gagner with worse results.

    Yakupov’ shooting percentage was 20% last year. It wasn’t real. Still, of all of these players he’s the one who might actually become what we thought he was.

    This is why the Oilers suck. Their “star” players aren’t as good, and never were as good, as some thought. There is no magic remedy for this except patience and hope. You can’t trade these guys away without getting a better player in return and there is no way that can happen.

    Conclusion: There is no reasonable series of moves that can cause the Oilers to become a good team. The only path to improvement is for these players + J. Schultz to magically become better. In the meantime, the best that can be done is to try and make improvements around the sides (Perron, Gordon, Scrivens) so that if Hopkins (for instance) becomes a star player the cast is there around him. But if Hopkins stays where he is this team has no chance. None.

  19. Ducey says:

    Caramel Obvious: You’re the one who is dodging the point.Once a point of time the conversation was how Larsen was a coach favourite.Now, some think Fraser is a “coach favourite.”

    So first there isn’t enough here to make definitive inferences.

    Second, what is the evidence that Fraser is a favourite at all.He was fifth in icetime last night.The only guy he played more than was Klefbom.

    Now don’t get me wrong, I think Fraser is terrible.However, this is reading of the tea leaves.Maybe Fraser will be another Ryan Jones mistake but I’ll wait to complain about it when it happens.

    And I don’t see how it happens.If Ference, Schultz, Marincin and Petry are all back next year (which they likely are) and MacT knows this team is bad on D (which he must) then the new guys in have to be as good or better than those four.And nobody, not Eakins not MacT, thinks Fraser is that guy.

    What CO said.

    Plus Ference was obviously brought in for the leadership piece. He has 800 NHL games.. Thats way more than the rest of the defence put together.

    Worrying about Fraser is like Jays fans worrying about who the fifth infielder will be.

  20. thejonrmcleod says:

    It’s frustrating being an Oilers’ fan after a game like last night. I believe the Oilers have enough talent at the NHL and AHL levels and enough cap space to turn the team around next season. Hopefully MacT will make the right moves.

  21. WeirsBeard says:

    The club is sorely missing the top down professionalism of the Sather years. The Red Wings are a great example of that, severely undermanned right now, but everyone still works.

  22. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “I do wonder if Dave Nonis is perhaps using his position as Leafs GM/Dreger confidant as a bully pulpit.”

    Not asking for a full airing of your theory here, but I am curious as to what you think Nonis stands to gain by spending time whispering in the ear of Dreger about a sophomore kid playing in the other conference?

    If it is to depress his value to snag a cheap trade, that doesn’t make much sense. Yak is the last guy to fit a Nonis/Carlyle mold. And, if the Oilers aren’t actually saying anything to Dreger.. shouldn’t they see the power play by foreign GM coming miles away?

    Seems more likely Dreger is combining his active imagination with some complaints he picked up from someone within the org. or someone who covers the Oilers.

    The thing about hockey reporting is where to cut the projection from the facts?

  23. russ99 says:

    If this is true, it’s the number one reason Eakins has to go, immediately.

    His unconventional ideas about hockey that don’t actually work could lead to us selling low on potentially the best player out of this group. Which is especially crazy since Yak is going through his 2nd year of adjustment that every young player goes through with minimal support and being told he has to completely change his game to get icetime, which is a bad idea with any player much less a first pick.

    I don’t know what bill of goods he sold MacT this summer, but we’re looking at a long Blue Jackets, Thrashers, Islanders trip on the outside looking in if MacT follows through with this nonsense.

  24. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “Nail Yakupov is just a kid, folks. I think it is very easy to see ‘lack of commitment’ when the truth is ‘confusion’ about role and place. I encourage patience in regard to this player.”

    When a Euro struggles it is always “lack of commitment.” Always.

    When we learn that Yak is running stairs after games or working on his one-timer after practice, this gets ignored, or only discussed when he’s playing well.

    As soon as he’s struggling, which is a lot, the old #fancynarratives come out. Always.

    I’m far more concerned about the coaching staff to get this team in gear than I am about Yak.

  25. Woodguy says:

    Posted this at the end of the STL thread:

    Jonathan Willis ‏@JonathanWillis 8h
    The #Oilers are now +5/-8 in scoring chances *on the power play* in their last three games.

    There are no words for how bad that is.

  26. Showerhead says:

    russ99:
    If this is true, it’s the number one reason Eakins has to go, immediately.

    His unconventional ideas about hockey that don’t actually work could lead to us selling low on potentially the best player out of this group. Which is especially crazy since he’s going through his 2nd year of adjustment that every young player goes through with minimal support.

    I don’t know what bill of goods he sold MacT this summer, but we’re looking at a long Blue Jackets, Thrashers, Islanders trip on the outside looking in if MacT follows through with this nonsense.

    If Edmonton trades away a prodigal, albeit confused 20 year old with 1.5 seasons under his belt, that’s not on the coach.

  27. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ducey: Really.How do you explain the fact MacT has focused on getting rid of stay at home types like Peckham, Fistric and Smid, brought in guys like Hunt and Larsen, and promoted Marincin and Klefbom?

    Easy.

    double brained hockey thinking.

    A large part of both of them want smart, puck-movers who can play possession game and get out of their end.

    Another part of them wants to see opposition forwards live in the Oiler zone so they can watch a meat-hammer hammer away at the opposition because “size!”

  28. Kitchener says:

    I like the kids and am thrilled that Nurse returned to junior. 18-22 year olds are different than 24-28 year olds.

    Trading Yak at this point would make as much sense as pulling off your own thumbs.

  29. Woodguy says:

    Ducey,

    Plus Ference was obviously brought in for the leadership piece. He has 800 NHL games.. Thats way more than the rest of the defence put together.

    Total NHL GP of Oilers D last night: 1355

    Total NHL GP of Oilers D last night minus Ference 531GP

    Worrying about Fraser is like Jays fans worrying about who the fifth infielder will be.

    That analogy isn’t quire right.

    Fraser played 17:51 last night.

    That’s 30% of the game in a key position (defence)

    That’s a far cry from 5th infielder.

    You can’t hide your 6th Dman in the NHL like you can your 4LW or 4RW.

    You just can’t.

  30. Showerhead says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    “Nail Yakupov is just a kid, folks. I think it is very easy to see ‘lack of commitment’ when the truth is ‘confusion’ about role and place. I encourage patience in regard to this player.”

    When a Euro struggles it is always “lack of commitment.” Always.

    When we learn that Yak is running stairs after games or working on his one-timer after practice, this gets ignored, or only discussed when he’s playing well.

    As soon as he’s struggling, which is a lot, the old #fancynarratives come out. Always.

    I’m far more concerned about the coaching staff to get this team in gear than I am about Yak.

    100% in agreement here. It is an easy narrative to cook, everybody eats it up, and it’s complete BS.

  31. FastOil says:

    I think it might be a wild ride between Cup and UFA season’s first week. I hope it goes the right way and not Thrashers north. The Flames can be that thanks.

  32. Oiler Al says:

    Oilers ïn particular Mr. Katz, have a need to chase shinny marbles, including No.1 picks. Should have
    taken a center in that draft.. its was Katzs money and wish that landed Yak in the Oilers camp. Enough said.
    Yes Yak is young, but he s not the first teen to play in the bigs. I have to wonder if this kid is even
    coachable., he he was prime for a year in AHL, but his agent and ego would not allow that.

    Now the question is can that talent be harnessed into a team game or is he more a Daige than a Stamkos.

  33. LMHF#1 says:

    Caramel Obvious: You’re the one who is dodging the point.

    Seriously?

    You really can’t start a discussion with people anymore. You raise a point and hardly anyone will actually address it. Talking about something else is not discussing these two players and their position on the team.

    If you happen to think the Coach and GM would have no problem turfing these two – say so. It really is that easy.

  34. LMHF#1 says:

    Ducey: What CO said.
    Plus Ference was obviously brought in for the leadership piece.He has 800 NHL games..Thats way more than the rest of the defence put together.

    Then hire Mark Messier to sit on the bench yelling, and hand out dressing room beatings after practice.

  35. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ducey: Worrying about Fraser is like Jays fans worrying about who the fifth infielder will be.

    No. it is not like this at all.

    7th and 8th D traditionally play more minutes in a season than rostered 11th-14th forwards. Fraser’s already proven that.

    D on NHL teams do two things: get injured and play.

  36. Doug McLachlan says:

    The problems with the Oilers have very little to do with a 20 year old with a under-used cannon of a shot being bad mouthed on the TSN pannel during a disappointing sophmore season.

    Seriously, lets all give our head a shake.

    He won the rookie scoring title last season – remember?

    He had shots that you could see both surprised and hurt opposition goalies last year.

    This is the guy who BROKE Stamkos’s rookie OHL Sting scoring record?!

    There is NO, NO reason to trade him save and except a real value for value young star for young star deal and with the stench of disappointment all around the Oil right now that deal isn’t going to happen.

    I am sure there were talks involving Myers + for Yak + but I suspect neither team was as keen to do it so it dies. I’m sure lots of teams have asked about Yak and have offered anchors in return to which MacT has said “Thanks but no thanks”. I am sure we have a very difficult agent advocating for his player but right now there is very little reason to think we are anticipating any hold-out.

    Patience.

    Yak is not the issue.

  37. Kitchener says:

    Woodguy,

    Agreed. MacT tried to solve the D depth chart last summer, but was out of bullets and had to resort to quantity instead of quality. There’s a lot I don’t know about what moves he’ll make this summer, but it’s safe to guess that MacT will be active again to ice a better 5/6 pair.

  38. Truth says:

    I still think Yak would benefit from playing in the AHL for 20 games. He seems to be solely confidence driven, has all the tools he just has to have them turned on.

    Good coaches for Yak, IMO – Ralph Krueger, Bruce Boudreau, Paul Maurice

    Bad Coaches for Yak, IMO – John Tortorella, Dallas Eakins, Darryl Sutter,

  39. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: Eye glow goes back to OTC and v1.0 days.

    what does OTC stand for?

    I wasn’t doing hockey internets back then.

  40. hockeyguy10 says:

    Freidman was on the 960 radio in Calgary this morning.The host asked him what he thought of Dreger’s comments from last night. EF said he had asked other teams which players were on Edmonton’s no trade list.He named Hall,Nuge,Eberle,Schultz,possibly Klefbom.Yak wasn’t on the list.He mentioned a trade early in the season involving Yak might have been nixed by Katz.He also brought up the draft where they wanted Murray but Katz over ruled and they took Yak. If Katz is that involved in hockey decisions this team is going nowhere.

  41. LMHF#1 says:

    hockeyguy10:
    Yak might have been nixed by Katz.He also brought up the draft where they wanted Murray but Katz over ruled and they took Yak. If Katz is that involved in hockey decisions this team is going nowhere.

    Well, other than that those two decisions were correct and if he’s having to make them the problem is actually down the chain.

  42. Mr DeBakey says:

    Kitchener: Agreed. MacT tried to solve the D depth chart last summer, but was out of bullets and had to resort to quantity instead of quality.

    And in reference to yesterday’s comments
    MacT did bring in size

    Anton Belov
    Height: 6′ 4″
    Weight: 218

    Denis Grebeshkov
    Height: 6′ 0″
    Weight: 209

  43. Hammers says:

    rich:
    Well timed article LT, and am especially glad you addressed the situation re: RNH.

    DSF and several others on this blog have been karping a lot lately about Nuge and his lack of goal scoring production. I think that’s just BS.Yes, he’s “almost 21″ (DSF), but he’s having to play either 1C or 2C as a 20 year old in the toughest league on the planet.And he’s also being asked to PK more and more.

    We need to be patient with him.He’s an outstanding talent who is going to be in the league for a long time.I get all the frustration with the team this year (I’m there too), but this kid is not the problem on this roster.We badly need help on the blue line, we badly need help in top six and running Nuge – or Yak out on a rail would be something that we’ll regret for a long, long time.It’s what bad teams (hello NYI) do and we need to not make that mistake.

    I think Nuge will be OK but age shouldn’t be a continual excuse . Monahan in Calgary was a 7th rd pick I think and is younger .Part of this is PK duty & Eakins system .

  44. delooper says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: what does OTC stand for?

    I wasn’t doing hockey internets back then.

    Old Time Coach. I think that one specifically refers to Pat Quinn. All the “onion belt” talk refers to that period.

  45. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    hockeyguy10: If Katz is that involved in hockey decisions this team is going nowhere.

    There is no such thing as an NHL team that trades second year 1st OVs without the say so of the owner.

    Also, if Katz if keeping Yak in town, he may just be saving the franchise.

  46. Melman says:

    If Fraser comes and goes this season having provided a stopgap allowing the kids to develop further while keeping us in the bottom 4 for the draft then I have no complaints about his tenure as a Oiler.

  47. Bag of Pucks says:

    The Oilers were chopping wood and carrying water last night. Unfortunately, they were doing it for the Blues.

    Watching the Oilers play a bigger, tougher team is like watching ’12 Years a Slave’ if that movie was about hockey.

  48. icecastles says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: what does OTC stand for?

    Old Timey Coach, aka Pat Quinn.

    Edit: Delooper beat me to it. Ah, I forget about the onion belt! They were the fashion back then.

  49. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Corey Pronman ‏@coreypronman 3m
    Are Myers/Zadorov/Ristolainen/Pysyk/McCabe substantially better than Hodgson/Girgensons/Grigo/Armia/Fasching/Compher? IMO nope.

    Corey Pronman ‏@coreypronman 4m
    And frankly I feel many just want Buffalo to not pick Ekblad just because EDM is a nice fit.

    Corey Pronman ‏@coreypronman 5m
    Unless you’re so sure in your young prospects/NHLers at a certain position. BUF has arguably as many good young Fs as Ds too…..

    Corey Pronman ‏@coreypronman 6m
    I’ll do a detailed write up when the draft slots are done, but for BUF, when you’re a god awful team, not sure how you don’t pick the BPA…

    Corey Pronman ‏@coreypronman 7m
    Brief thoughts in next few tweets… RT @NHLs_Future: @coreypronman Sam Bennett, Sam Reinhart or Ekblad if you’re buffalo?

  50. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Thanks guys!

    so, what exactly is the reference to “eye glow” then? and what about this “onion belt”?

  51. Hammers says:

    Woodguy:
    Ducey,

    Plus Ference was obviously brought in for the leadership piece. He has 800 NHL games.. Thats way more than the rest of the defence put together.

    Total NHL GP of Oilers D last night: 1355

    Total NHL GP of Oilers D last night minus Ference 531GP

    Worrying about Fraser is like Jays fans worrying about who the fifth infielder will be.

    That analogy isn’t quire right.

    Fraser played 17:51 last night.

    That’s 30% of the game in a key position (defence)

    That’s a far cry from 5th infielder.

    You can’t hide your 6th Dman in the NHL like you can your 4LW or 4RW.

    You just can’t.

    Totally agree . I’m more interested in how they bounce back tonight . They need to play at least at 50% from Olympic break onward to have any Hope next year .

  52. delooper says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Thanks guys!

    so, what exactly is the reference to “eye glow” then? and what about this “onion belt”?

    There’s a lot of mythology that was built-up around Quinn, I suspect entirely on the Lowetide blog. People like Woodguy, Steve Smith, Lowetide and Bookie are probably responsible. Eye glow is one of those intangible properties of a player — Messier had it. Yakupov has it, too. Onion belts were the things men wore, back when men were men, as far as I can tell.

  53. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Hammers: I think Nuge will be OK but age shouldn’t be a continual excuse . Monahan in Calgary was a 7th rd pick I think and is younger .Part of this is PK duty & Eakins system .

    Monahan is a really good young player… but be careful when staring into mirages.

  54. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Melman:
    If Fraser comes and goes this season having provided a stopgap allowing the kids to develop further while keeping us in the bottom 4 for the draft then I have no complaints about his tenure as a Oiler.

    At the time of the trade we had all of N. Schultz, Potter, Larsen, Grebs, Belov and Fedun capable of doing that.

    They wanted “size!” not a bottom of the D-roster buffer.

  55. Mr DeBakey says:

    delooper: Onion belts were the things men wore, back when men were men, as far as I can tell.

    I believe that the phrase “onion belts’ [borrowed from the Simpsons] came into general use after Coach Quinn noted certain Oiler defensemen were playing like Barbara Ann Scott.

  56. flyfish1168 says:

    Its always interesting when a reporter or analysist states “My source told me” . I wonder how often the source is just playing games with the media just to let it go viral. Its sad that it going to end up hurting someone. The media is often wrong more than right.

  57. icecastles says:

    Grandpa Simpson: “We can’t bust heads like we used to. But we have our ways. One trick is to tell stories that don’t go anywhere. Like the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for m’shoe. So I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt. Which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on ‘em. Gimme five bees for a quarter, you’d say. Now where was I… oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time. You couldn’t get white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones…”

  58. flyfish1168 says:

    Hammers: I think Nuge will be OK but age shouldn’t be a continual excuse . Monahan in Calgary was a 7th rd pick I think and is younger .Part of this is PK duty & Eakins system .

    Nuge hasn’t mastereed the 5×5 role yet but he now has anothern ew role 5×4. Unfortunately I agree this is hurting Huge. Learn one well 1st then add on. eakins coaching from day one in my option is questionable.

  59. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    Last exit to Springfield:

    We can’t bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell ‘em stories that don’t go anywhere – like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on ‘em. Give me five bees for a quarter, you’d say.

    Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn’t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones…

  60. russ99 says:

    flyfish1168,

    Yes, but Dreger is well known to have an “in” to Oilers management and is often is known to voice management viewpoints. That’s why this is so shocking.

  61. Lois Lowe says:

    OTC also said such gems as, “sucking the hind banana”, and “that pubis thing”. God bless that man.

  62. russ99 says:

    icecastles,

    Love Grandpa.

    I wore a five pound beard of bees for that woman…

    My story begins in nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say dickety because the Kaiser had stolen our word twenty. I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles.

  63. Melman says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    N. Schultz, Potter, Grebs were already gone. Fraser is a totally different player type than Larsen, the jury is out on Belov. Fedun in the minors – who knows maybe they want him to continue his leadership/mentor role with OKC or they just aren’t sold. In any case (other than Fedun who would likely be better than Fraser after a handful of at bats). The idea that they wanted to test drive a big “growling” D in a season that was already lost doesn’t seem like an irrational thing to do.

  64. Bag of Pucks says:

    Pouzar made this comment in the gdt yesterday.

    “I dream of a Moroz-Yakimov-Khaira line doing really bad things to the NHL.
    Why can’t I have nice things!!!!!!”

    He was being facetious, but wouldn’t it be something if some additional draft picks from the Tambi regime ended up being the ones that came to save the day?

    LT, agree with the need to exercise patience with the Nuge. Here’s the numbers on RNH vs the other guys we could’ve taken.

    Nuge 167GP 120Pts
    Landeskog 183 GP 121Pts
    Huberdeau 112GP 56Pts

    Nuge still leading the ppg parade, but Landeskog closing fast (why couldn’t we have picked 1ov in a year MacKinnon was available?) and Gabriel gets less of his pts on the pp.

    The concern we had with Nuge going into the draft was the high % of points he got on the pp. Very worrisome that Eakins hasn’t found a way to effectively utilize him with the man advantage – but it seems clear that coaching the PP is not one of his strengths so far.

  65. Rondo says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    If I’m Buffalo I take Ekblad first given NYI # 4 pick( at the moment) will probably go to Buffalo. Given it does you take the best Dman and see what is left at #4.

  66. LoDog says:

    It is so unlike this blog to get upset about things that have not happened. Shocking.

    http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/words-of-wisdom-14.jpg

  67. Melman says:

    LT, Woodguy, Rom – I (thankfully) didn’t get around to buying the NHL package until the season was lost (game 15, 16?) so I’ve only seen a handful of games. What are your assessments of Eakins?

    There is so much fire Eakins rhetoric that sounds exactly like fire Renney, fire Kruger, trade Horcoff, Gilbert sucks, Petry’s a bum that it’s hard so see through the noise. Is he that bad?

    I can’t imagine that bringing in another new coach makes any kind of sense & Bucky and Smith (I think) can be properly assessed as being of little value. If he gets some proper assistants is he successful HC material? Tippett would have been great, but he never made the open market. I’m not sure what better options were available last summer: Ruff after the WC’s would have been a very awkward hire; I doubt AV or Torts would have been good fits either.

  68. VanOil says:

    Woodguy:
    Posted this at the end of the STL thread:

    Jonathan Willis ‏@JonathanWillis 8h
    The #Oilers are now +5/-8 in scoring chances *on the power play* in their last three games.

    There are no words for how bad that is.

    I am not an expert but a blind dog can see the Oilers PP is not working so I will try and fix it.1-3-1 may be fine in theory for a team with better forwards than defenders but is not working.

    I would try a first unit of Hall-RNH-Yak with Marincin throwing bombs and Schultz QBing. Maybe one of the young Ds would provide some coverage. Second unit of Perron-Gagner-Eberle with (Belov) Petry and Schultz (Larson). Ask the forwards to move there feet and the puck quickly and think shot first.

    It can’t get worse.

  69. David says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Agree 100%. Mr Katz, please squash all Yakupov trades! Please…

  70. hockeyguy10 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I didn’t say that drafting/keeping Yak was wrong.But any sports franchise(ie Dallas Cowboys,Ballard era Leafs,Old man Wirtz and the Blackhawks) who have owners that are calling the shots on personal are usually doomed.

  71. FastOil says:

    There is nothing wrong with the Oilers’ skill players. It’s the management of them and the roster. Kinda like the Penguins.

    Crap thinking typically produces crap results. A bad team makes all of it’s components look worse. A good team makes them look better. So our players go away and get better and the ones coming in get worse.

  72. sliderule says:

    If Katz kid can make the right pick we could be like Avs

    They finished 5-7-3 last season and with a high pick ,maturation and new coach look at them now.

  73. B S says:

    Last season I watched the Oilers’ last practice during Training Camp (along with the Joey Moss Cup). Yakupov, Schultz, Harti, and Paajarvi were the last players off the ice, by at least a solid 10-15 minutes. Yakupov worked on on one timers. From the slot, on the move, where-ever. I realize the expectation of rookies is to stay late after the vets have left the ice but Yak could have just mailed it in with some skating and passing with Schultz. He was wiring those pucks top shelf. It didn’t look like a lack of commitment to me.

    On Dregger’s comments. This is why I hate TSN analysts (well most talking heads in general really). They speak in absolutes almost all the time. It sounded to me like he was just rehashing the same crap that’s been spewed since before the season began that was all originally based on the premise that Edmonton had 3 small RWers and needed to lose one, most of us talked about the same thing while Hemsky was here. The fact that he was speaking with certainty doesn’t belie insider knowledge, it’s just him trying to attract more followers on Twitter. I take anything those morons say with a grain of salt. They may have insider knowledge, but because they don’t differentiate it from the what their mommy told them at breakfast that day we can’t tell.

    Remember when Iginla was traded to the Bruins? Remember when they twisted it to sound like he had agreed then changed his mind? Iginla said he never agreed to go to Boston, therefore it stands to reason that when Boston made an offer (an exceptional one, especially compared to Pitt.) the TSN crew assumed he would waive for Boston and rushed to report it before anyone else. Didn’t wait for confirmation from either org., didn’t have a source in the room, but still reported it as fact. Sports Journalism is nothing of the sort.

    When the Oilers don’t trade Yak you can bet the story will be that they couldn’t get what they were asking (Dreger already used this line yesterday). When Yak then lights it up in a year or two the story will be about how luck the Oilers were that nobody took their offer. Yet that entire time we won’t have heard anything from the Oilers’ on the subject.

    It’s been a while since a 1st OV bust and I bet MSM would love for it to be a Russian. The narrative is written, they’re playing it up, and every missed shot (remember last night when they complained about Yak and then showed him miss a one-timer from perfect scoring position, a shot he’s made 9 times out of 10) or GA is just confirmation that he’s an awful player.

    Time for Oilers fans to start defending their players, not mobbing them. Next time an “analyst” spews uninformed sensationalist horsesh!t at an Oiler we should swamp him with counterarguments. (warranted criticism is fine, but as an example the filth spewed by Dreger and the rest last night was not reasoned, insightful or true in most cases).

  74. delooper says:

    VanOil:
    I would try a first unit of Hall-RNH-Yak with Marincin throwing bombs and Schultz QBing. Maybe one of the young Ds would provide some coverage. Second unit of Perron-Gagner-Eberle with (Belov) Petry and Schultz (Larson). Ask the forwards to move there feet and the puck quickly and think shot first.

    It can’t get worse.

    I’d replace Gagner and Eberle on that 2nd unit with Gordon and Smyth. Gordon has been playing really well, unlike Gagner and Eberle. And we’d all like to see Smyth break the PP record cleanly. Build some positive stories.

  75. Ducey says:

    David:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Agree 100%. Mr Katz, please squash all Yakupov trades! Please…

    Please Mr Katz, stay the f*ck out of hockey decisions you know nothing about.

  76. Ducey says:

    B S,

    I agree. MacT talks to NASH about trading Webber and Yaks name is brought up. Next thing you know the “insiders” are talking about how he is on the block.

  77. LoDog says:

    B S,

    Bravo, excellent comments. That is the right way to look at things but so many need drama in there lives they have to make everything spurt out some major calamity.

  78. B S says:

    delooper: There’s a lot of mythology that was built-up around Quinn, I suspect entirely on the Lowetide blog.People like Woodguy, Steve Smith, Lowetide and Bookie are probably responsible. Eye glow is one of those intangible properties of a player — Messier had it.Yakupov has it, too. Onion belts were the things men wore, back when men were men, as far as I can tell.

    Maurice Richard as well, at least compared with what I’ve seen in anyone else, had that fierceness in his eyes that seemed to reflect the light around them. I’m assuming that’s what “eye-glow” is.

  79. VanOil says:

    I think Fraser stinks as an NHL player but can see where he fits in the Oilers line up next year. If Buffalo or Florida pick Ekblad. Hopefully Ehrhoff or Kulikov shake free.

    Kulikov – Schultz – Petry – Marincin – Ferrence – Kelfbom – Belov – Fraser. Fraser is a good NHL #8 D. Belov might want more than a #7 role but theses guys are easy to find as UFAs.

    #7s & #8s play a lot in the NHL over the course of a season.

  80. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: what does OTC stand for?

    I wasn’t doing hockey internets back then.

    The Old Time/Olde Timey moniker is applied a lot to those two great Appalachian+Southern loves: music (O Brother, Where Art Thou?) and football. Google turns up Bear Bryant categorizing himself as an “Old Timey Coach”.

  81. VanOil says:

    delooper: I’d replace Gagner and Eberle on that 2nd unit with Gordon and Smyth. Gordon has been playing really well, unlike Gagner and Eberle.And we’d all like to see Smyth break the PP record cleanly.Build some positive stories.

    Agreed

  82. nycoil says:

    LT,
    Forgive me if I read between the lines too much, but I read the common thread between Yakupov and Kadri being someone other than Nonis, whose name I won’t spell out. Am I out to lunch?

    I’m amazed at the amount of time so many of us have spent discussing Fraser here. Incredible he is so polarizing. I see a guy who has some truculence but can’t skate, and handles the puck like a hand grenade most of the time. We need to aim higher this summer than him. We can still get a feisty defenseman, if that’s required by the fan base, but one that can be a little smarter out there can’t be that hard to find.

  83. book¡je says:

    So, the Power Play and the overall drop in productivity by nearly everyone on the team and the available analysis suggests that coaching is a real problem for this team. So, we are left with the following hope.

    1. The assistants are so incompetent (and could be darksiders) that they are dragging the coaching staff down and replacing them solves things. Krueger politely indicated that he couldn’t achieve what he wanted because he had to do all of the coaching jobs because the assistants had no real experience (i.e. video work, working with players, etc). However, Eakins brought in Action and so really, unless Bucky and Smith are actually sabotaging things, I don’t see how replacing them solves the problem. Maybe Acton brings nothing either however and as such he could be replaced. I can see how 3 new assistants could have an impact.

    2. Eakins is struggling himself and either brings on an experienced coach that complements him and that fills the void in coaching OR MacT replaces Eakins with a new coach. Option two worries me a lot because I think the players need some continuity. MacT created this problem however and he needs to fix it. Muddling around the edges with the assistants is not going to solve anything if Eakins does not have the respect of the players.

    3. The players are being tore down and rebuilt to be better players (this is Eakins perspective) and coaching isn’t really the problem, but rather this is just part of the process of improving. If this is the case, the struggles should go away at some point and the team will soar.

    4. The coaching is terrible and is going to wreck players like Yakupov and Hall and management will support the coach and trade the players for dedicated pluggers. At this point, we would all finally truly turn our back on this team and move on to better things in life.

    I fear it will be somewhere in the middle of all of these and we have years of suffering ahead of us.

  84. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    delooper: There’s a lot of mythology that was built-up around Quinn, I suspect entirely on the Lowetide blog.People like Woodguy, Steve Smith, Lowetide and Bookie are probably responsible. Eye glow is one of those intangible properties of a player — Messier had it.Yakupov has it, too. Onion belts were the things men wore, back when men were men, as far as I can tell.

    haha. thanks. that’s hilarious.

    did Quinn ever say “eye glow” or “onion belt” because that would be awesome.

  85. B S says:

    Ducey:
    B S,

    I agree.MacT talks to NASH about trading Webber and Yaks name is brought up.Next thing you know the “insiders” are talking about how he is on the block.

    I do wonder if there is a deal or two floating around and Yak is the asking price. A “we asked about ___, they want Yak” “Yeah that’s what ___ was asking for _____” “we may have to consider trading Yak to get what we want”seems like it could easily start rumours that management is trading Yak away, but Teams asking for Yak in a trade is different from giving up on him, or shopping him around which is what the TSN narrative was all about.

    Subban is an RFA, ask for Subban and the response could easily be Yak++. Not saying this happened, but it’s the sort of scenario where Yak comes up in a trade discussion as a reasonable consideration.

  86. book¡je says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Thanks guys!

    so, what exactly is the reference to “eye glow” then? and what about this “onion belt”?

    Those may have been the best of times on this blog. There was a lot of optimism that Quinn was going to let the players play and stop overcoaching them so that players like Cogliano, Gagner and Nilsson could become superstars and lead us to the cup. Soon Robbie Schremp of youtube fame would be scoring bucketloads of goals from behind the net and our new wealthy owner and Steve Tambellini were going to build the organization into a winning machine!

    At the same time, guys like Bruce, Willis, and Dellow didn’t have their own gigs so they were regulars. LT’s site was the only place on the interweb that you could have any logical discussion about the Oilers. The site was also blue and there were no adds for cougars!

    We were young and innocent back then!

  87. Ribs says:

    book¡je: Those may have been the best of times on this blog. There was a lot of optimism that Quinn was going to let the players play and stop overcoaching them so that players like Cogliano, Gagner and Nilsson could become superstars and lead us to the cup. Soon Robbie Schremp of youtube fame would be scoring bucketloads of goals from behind the net and our new wealthy owner and Steve Tambellini were going to build the organization into a winning machine!

    …And then he started the season with JF Jacques on the first line. *facepalm*

  88. justDOit says:

    book¡je,

    Good t¡mes.

  89. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    book¡je: The site was also blue and there were no adds for cougars!
    We were young and innocent back then!

    Young and innocent like this 1975 “Sign of the Cat” Ad with Farrah?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofaCGy-wVV0

  90. Showerhead says:

    delooper: There’s a lot of mythology that was built-up around Quinn, I suspect entirely on the Lowetide blog.People like Woodguy, Steve Smith, Lowetide and Bookie are probably responsible. Eye glow is one of those intangible properties of a player — Messier had it.Yakupov has it, too. Onion belts were the things men wore, back when men were men, as far as I can tell.

    Actually, I’ll go ahead and take credit for the eye glow comment. I was riffing off of one of the pictures LT had posted + all of the BS talk of intangibles from OTC and others. Since then, more clever posters than myself started talking about Eye Glow / 60 and turned things more thoroughly funny.

    Also, if you look up the #becauseOilers hashtag, you’ll find that @wpgmurat is the first person to have used it. That’s me too, riffing off something hilarious that Pat McLean had posted.

    Yeah, so I’m pretty much awesome. Go me go. Yayyy me.

  91. rich says:

    book¡je: We were young and innocent back then!

    Something tells me none of the regular posters on this sight were ever “innocent”.

    (young, yes; innocent – hardly).

  92. OilClog says:

    Last night game is 2-2.. Ference gets schooled in the corner 3-2.. Fraser gets roughed up behind the net 4-2… Sucks when our tough defence is tiny.

    Trading Yak is a Milbury move.

    In 5 yrs Ebs will be lucky to hold on to as 2nd line spot while Yak will be potting 40 for someone else.

    Fuck.

  93. Rondo says:

    As much as I think Oilers management does not know what it is doing, Yakupov was a consensus #1 pick.

  94. delooper says:

    Showerhead:
    Yeah, so I’m pretty much awesome. Go me go. Yayyy me.

    Oooh. Eye glow / 60 is nice! Sorry I did not properly credit you on that.

  95. nycoil says:

    Rondo:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    If I’m Buffalo I take Ekblad first given NYI # 4 pick( at themoment) will probably go to Buffalo. Given it does you take the best Dman and see what is left at#4.

    That pick is top ten protected, so likely the Isles defer to 2015 and keep it this year.

  96. FastOil says:

    nycoil: That pick is top ten protected, so likely the Isles defer to 2015 and keep it this year.

    The Isles would give up a McDavid lotto pick for this year’s 4OV?

  97. Showerhead says:

    delooper: Oooh.Eye glow / 60 is nice! Sorry I did not properly credit you on that.

    Ha that’s ok. In the world of misattributed internet hilarity I still come out ahead. For years, Lowetide tried to give me claim to “get our yer shinebox, Robbie!!!” which was slipper’s and not mine. At first I objected, but then I saw how much LT loved that line and grew to accept it. Kind of like a story from childhood that never really happened but everyone says it did so you actually start to remember it

  98. VanOil says:

    Gregger’s commitment comment pissed me off because is so obviously wrong. His trade talk does not worry me. Because it is old news. Hemsky (PBUH) is gone. Trading Yak, even for an exceptional player like Myers, puts a whole at #1 or #2 Right wing. If you trade Yak who fills the RW whole Gagner? Jones?

    Trading away two top 6 RW in the same year is Gillis trading away two #1 goalies stupid. I am not saying it can’t happen but it is very unlikely.

  99. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Melman:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    N. Schultz, Potter, Grebs were already gone.Fraser is a totally different player type than Larsen, the jury is out on Belov.Fedun in the minors – who knows maybe they want him to continue his leadership/mentor role with OKC or they just aren’t sold.In any case (other than Fedun who would likely be better than Fraser after a handful of at bats).The idea that they wanted to test drive a big “growling” D in a season that was already lost doesn’t seem like an irrational thing to do.

    This is a mix of incorrect (Schultz, Potter, Grebs gone), irrelevant (larsen is different; jury out on Belov; Fedun in minors); and moving goalposts (test drive growler instead of keep kids on farm)

  100. book¡je says:

    Ribs: …And then he started the season with JF Jacques on the first line. *facepalm*

    ..and we all thought it was going to work – a big man on each line – brilliant. It was a great 5 minutes!

  101. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Rondo:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    If I’m Buffalo I take Ekblad first given NYI # 4 pick( at themoment) will probably go to Buffalo. Given it does you take the best Dman and see what is left at#4.

    What makes you so convinced the Isles will hold on to next year’s pick.

    Assuming Snow stays, he seems like a guy that thinks he can win. The Vanek trade shows aggressive move to improve, not bottom out.

  102. stevezie says:

    Wait- there are people over the age of 16 and under… 45 who don’t get the onion belt reference? Really? I want you to take a few seconds to hold yourselves in contempt. Contempt I say!

    Then go to a website like this one: http://www.wtso.cc/ and stream the episode “Last Exit to Springfield”. It’s from season 4.

    I guarantee watching that will be worth the time, as, since none of you are currently having sex with me, I am absolutely certain it is better than whatever you are doing right now (I’m dynamite).

  103. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Melman:
    LT, Woodguy, Rom – I (thankfully) didn’t get around to buying the NHL package until the season was lost (game 15, 16?) so I’ve only seen a handful of games.What are your assessments of Eakins?

    There is so much fire Eakins rhetoric that sounds exactly like fire Renney, fire Kruger, trade Horcoff, Gilbert sucks, Petry’s a bum that it’s hard so see through the noise.Is he that bad?

    I can’t imagine that bringing in another new coach makes any kind of sense & Bucky and Smith (I think) can be properly assessed as being of little value.If he gets some proper assistants is he successful HC material? Tippett would have been great, but he never made the open market.I’m not sure what better options were available last summer:Ruff after the WC’s would have been a very awkward hire; I doubt AV or Torts would have been good fits either.

    You should look into otherly-available viewing options, i.e., free. google “sports live stream” get an adblocker and enjoy.

    Eakins strikes me as a guy that has the broad strokes of the new thinking worked out based on what he says. That gives me some comfort that given a better roster and some summer time to crunch the game tapes and numbers he can improve.

    The best way to evaluate a coach IMO is not in win-loss rate but how they use the roster they are given (ie, games played; TOI; usage; qual comp) at evens.

    Those are the broad strokes that most fans should be able to get a handle on. After that I’d defer to a guy like MC79 to brake down systems details with videos… that stuff is too involved for even the avid fan to work out on their own.

    I’d take a serious look at the assistant coaches in the off season. make them re-interview for the job. give Nelson a shot at associate

  104. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    hockeyguy10:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I didn’t say that drafting/keeping Yak was wrong.But any sports franchise(ie Dallas Cowboys,Ballard era Leafs,Old man Wirtz and the Blackhawks) who have owners that are calling the shots on personal are usually doomed.

    Well, you don’t want Ed Snider levels of meddling, no. But I don’t see any evidence Katz operates like that at all. Not even close.

    Most observers consider him aloof relative to other NHL owners.

  105. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    book¡je: Eakins brought in Action

    how has this typo not become a thing?

  106. justDOit says:

    While Fraser might be an ugly worm of a player, I’m hoping that he transforms into an Ekblad in a few months. We wait and watch until then, and hope that even the AHL Wings don’t run our show tonight.

  107. Rondo says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    2015 draft is suppose to be a” strong “draft. But the the Snow factor means he is unpredictable.

    If Buffalo only has the #1 pick I think they do favour a forward.

  108. book¡je says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: how has this typo not become a thing?

    Because I am pretty sure Acton is invisible. Seriously, other than seeing him yell at the other bench that one time has anyone actually seen Acton?

  109. Pouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Pouzar made this comment in the gdt yesterday.

    “I dream of a Moroz-Yakimov-Khaira line doing really bad things to the NHL.
    Why can’t I have nice things!!!!!!”

    He was being facetious, but wouldn’t it be something if some additional draft picks from the Tambi regime ended up being the ones that came to save the day?

    LT, agree with the need to exercise patience with the Nuge. Here’s the numbers on RNH vs the other guys we could’ve taken.

    Nuge 167GP 120Pts
    Landeskog 183 GP 121Pts
    Huberdeau 112GP 56Pts

    Nuge still leading the ppg parade, but Landeskog closing fast (why couldn’t we have picked 1ov in a year MacKinnon was available?) and Gabriel gets less of his pts on the pp.

    The concern we had with Nuge going into the draft was the high % of points he got on the pp. Very worrisome that Eakins hasn’t found a way to effectively utilize him with the man advantage – but it seems clear that coaching the PP is not one of his strengths so far.

    I haven’t done the WOWY analysis but it seems to the eye and my following of the Avalanche ( I have Stastny-Landeskog-MacKinnon in my pool) that Stastny really drives Landeskog’s play and that line overall. Now MacKinnon is amazing everywhere he plays but Stastny really seems to make that line go. I think both wingers are pointless these last two games minus Stastny.

  110. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    alright, alright, I missed the Simpsons reference… but I was thinking Oilers and hoping someone said that.

    So, this is all mostly fan-generated. good job! hilarious. I would have had a good time here back then.

    Now, let’s all enjoy a tall glass of turnip juice.

  111. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Rondo:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    2015 draft is suppose to be a” strong “draft.But the the Snow factormeans he is unpredictable.

    If Buffalo only has the #1 pick I think they do favoura forward.

    That is meaningless compared to a top 4 pick.

    Even a strong draft year doesn’t make a mid-teen pick into a top 4 pick.

  112. fifthcartel says:

    Lander coming in for Gagner?

  113. WeirsBeard says:

    stevezie:
    Wait- there are people over the age of 16 and under… 45 who don’t get the onion belt reference? Really? I want you to take a few seconds to hold yourselves in contempt. Contempt I say!

    Then go to a website like this one: http://www.wtso.cc/ and stream the episode “Last Exit to Springfield”. It’s from season 4.

    I guarantee watching that will be worth the time, as, since none of you are currently having sex with me, I am absolutely certain it is better than whatever you are doing right now (I’m dynamite).

    Oilers are like lemons, the sweetest fruit we had available at the time.

  114. fifthcartel says:

    fifthcartel:
    Lander coming in for Gagner?

    Sounds like he’s going to center Hall and Perron.

  115. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    WeirsBeard: Oilers are like lemons, the sweetest fruit we had available at the time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3FSRW2qFjM

  116. Pouzar says:

    So sick of this place. The over top excuse making for Yakupov and dumping on Eberle is all I can stand. We have other poster lumping in the POS that is Sam Gagner with a guy who just topped Gagner’s career high and having a down season.

    Don’t even get me started on the RNH nonsense.

    I thought I was a negative SOB but the nonsensical stuff coming out of here lately is too hard to take and is actually making me look pretty damn positive. This place outside of the good guys is becoming HF Boards lite.

    I’m outta here folks. Thx to all the RA, LT, WG, G$, Rex, et al for the informative posts and banter.

    Cheers

  117. Rondo says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Objectively speaking NYI are not going to be a good team next year and most likely be a lottery pick.

    As an example I’ve read Ekblad in last years draft would have gone anywhere from 5–8

  118. gcw_rocks says:

    Ducey,
    Really. How do you explain the fact MacT has focused on getting rid of stay at home types like Peckham, Fistric and Smid, brought in guys like Hunt and Larsen,

    I am not sure how getting rid of bad (Peckham) and adequate (Smid, Fistric) and replacing them with bad hockey players (Fraser, hunt, Larsen) helps the cause.

    Activity for the sake of activity means nothing.

    As for Marincin and Klefbom, those are Tambo picks, not MacT’s. Matthew should be counted this year. MacT is getting lucky on Marincin. LUCKY. Let’s not confuse luck with competence.

  119. Melman says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Thanks for the streaming tip. I’d like to see Nelson on staff in some capacity – perhaps working with the D. If they could add him + Dineen and Craig Ramsay that would make for a strong bench

  120. Jasmine says:

    Truth,

    Oilers fans and the MSM need to stop running coaches and players out of town. Pat Quinn and Tom Renney were run out of town by Tambellini. Tambellini kept firing coaches and that is the problem with the team right now. The team can’t constantly be learning new systems and that’s exactly what’s happening. Tambellini had no patience with coaches as he had 4 coaches in 5 seasons while he was GM.

    A rebuild will never work until Oilers fans and the MSM stop running coaches out of town. Tambellini is the GM that destroyed the team. Tambellini would have been fired sooner but no one wanted to be GM in Edmonton just like no one wants to coach in Edmonton . That’s why the Oilers are stuck with rookie GMs and rookie coaches as the experienced coaches and experienced GMs won’t come to Edmonton.

  121. FastOil says:

    Rondo:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Objectively speaking NYI are not going to be a good team next year and most likely bea lottery pick.

    As an example I’ve read Ekbladin last years draft would have gone anywhere from 5–8

    Yes

  122. stevezie says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Now, let’s all enjoy a tall glass of turnip juice.

    All is forgiven.

    Rondo: Objectively speaking NYI are not going to be a good team next year and most likely be a lottery pick.
    As an example I’ve read Ekblad in last years draft would have gone anywhere from 5–8

    This makes sense, but by electing to give away a lottery pick Snow would be telling his fans and, more importantly, his team that expects to fail next season. Not just fail, but really, truly suck.

    Plus, even if the Isles stink, the odds are against them for actually getting one of the top 2 picks, especially since some teams are going to be treating next year as a season-long tank-off.

  123. stevezie says:

    Pouzar,

    I’m unclear- this place is too negative or not negative enough? Negative about the wrong things?

  124. Lowetide says:

    Pouzar:
    So sick of this place. The over top excuse making for Yakupov and dumping on Eberle is all I can stand. We have other poster lumping in the POS that is Sam Gagner with a guy who just topped Gagner’s career high and having a down season.

    Don’t even get me started on the RNH nonsense.

    I thought I was a negative SOB but the nonsensical stuff coming out of here lately is too hard to take and is actually making me look pretty damn positive. This place outside of the good guys is becoming HF Boards lite.

    I’m outta here folks. Thx to all the RA, LT, WG, G$, Rex, et al for the informative posts and banter.

    Cheers

    All the best, Pouzar. Drop by when you can.

  125. Andy P says:

    The sad fact is that for whatever reason, few good players want to sign here including our own.
    Hemsky was the first, seems Yak is next. But that’s ok he’s “European” and has unreasonable expectations. We’ll probable lose the best D in the KHL, which the fans don’t mind because they don’t think he’s a good nhl D.

    Then there’s the question of Schultz, will he sign? How about Simpson?

    For all his weaknesses the fans, once again, saw, I’m suggesting that what we are seeing is the ramifications of MacT replacing Krueger with Eakins. Krueger made the players want to play for him. Eakins appears to make the players do things his way. MacT is not voluntarily trading these folks, he is making the best of all the players that do not want to p[lay here, because Oilers and including Oilers Fans – the segment that boo players on the ice, make rude comments in the bars and supermarkets, and on the blogs that are less thoughtful than this one.

    I wonder where we would have been today if:
    Oil had drafted Murray;
    MacT had kept Krueger;
    Dubs had not collapsed with the new equipment

    Doesn’t matter, we are the team nobody wants to play for.

  126. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Rondo:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Objectively speaking NYI are not going to be a good team next year and most likely bea lottery pick.

    As an example I’ve read Ekbladin last years draft would have gone anywhere from 5–8

    Does Snow think that?

    He thought he was going to win this year.

    How bad does he have to be next year to guarantee himself a better pick than a top 4 this year?

    bird in the hand plus Snow’s hubris suggests he’ll keep the pick and try to get into the playoffs next year…

    mind you… he’s erratic and may not have the job long.

  127. FastOil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Does Snow think that?

    He thought he was going to win this year.

    How bad does he have to be next year to guarantee himself a better pick than a top 4 this year?

    bird in the hand plus Snow’s hubris suggests he’ll keep the pick and try to get into the playoffs next year…

    mind you… he’s erratic and may not have the job long.

    As long as Wang owns the team I am not sure winning is a part of the agenda. Drafting the next generational talent is good for marketing though.

  128. su_dhillon says:

    Craig Button just killed Eakins for like 10 mins on Oilers Now. Maintained he bares resposnibility for Yak, Nuge, and Eberle among others taking steps back. Didnt mention the PP which may be the most troubling coaching issue on the team. They cant start the year with another coach and we all have to hope he figures it out over the summer but its hard to argue with Button that the coach doesnt deserve a lot of blame for the failures of the young players this season.

  129. G Money says:

    Pouzar,

    Don’t do it!

    What you’re feeling is called “Oiler Fan Six Rings Angst”, which can be summarized by the following:
    http://i.imgur.com/jskS2J7.jpg

  130. delooper says:

    A trick I use, Pouzar is to mentally cut-out all the speculation, fantasy and hyperbole. Once you do that you realize there’s only a little bit to read here and it becomes much more pleasant.

  131. RexLibris says:

    I’m not going to join the ranks of negativity, nor do I want to come across as blindly optimistic about this team. Objectivity is difficult when one is mid-process, but here is where I stand.

    The Oilers are perhaps unfortunate enough to have undergone a rebuild during a period when the first overall selections at the draft may not be of the highest order. Not to say that Hall, Nugent-Hopkins and Yakupov are not good, even potentially great, players. Simply that amongst those three there does not appear to be a Lemieux or Yzerman who almost single-handedly seems to pull a team out of the bottom of the standings.

    There are a few qualifiers in that paragraph for a reason: these kids are, for all intents and purposes, still kind of kids. They may be in their early twenties (barely) but professionally speaking they are nascent.

    Perhaps it will be to the organization’s ultimate benefit that they may collect a number of these elite-but-not-generational players if it comes to balancing out the salary cap and insulating against injury. Or perhaps this whole experiment will have proven ultimately fruitless and need to be aborted. Or maybe, and most heart-wrenchingly of all, this group will become good, terrific even, but just not quite good enough and the curtain will draw down at the end of the cycle without having accomplished a championship.

    I don’t know, but losing my head over which way things are going to go when we’ve really only just begun doesn’t make much sense to me.

    What I have resolved to do is to rekindle the fan that I was during the late 90s, the fan that loved to watch the kids play. I realize now that there was far more at stake then than there is now. A playoff position then meant the team could stay around for another season. Too many losses threatened the very existence of the Edmonton Oilers. Yet for some reason I am almost more concerned, a harsher critic, and perhaps a worse fan now than I was back when the consequences of failure were more dear.

    If I could love and cheer for this team when they were selecting Jason Soules and Micheal Henrich, when David Oliver and Mats Lindgren were the bright future of the organization, then I can sure as heck cheer for them now.

    Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle, Schultz, Klefbom, Yakupov, Scrivens, Marincin, Petry, Smyth, Hendricks, Gazdic, Perron, Fasth. Like the man says, these are our Edmonton Oilers. Surely I can find something, someone there to cheer.

    There. Go Oilers, I hope Draisaitl looks good wearing #29 for the Oilers some day, and as always, I look forward to the next game.

  132. RexLibris says:

    delooper:
    A trick I use, Pouzar is to mentally cut-out all the speculation, fantasy and hyperbole.Once you do that you realize there’s only a little bit to read here and it becomes much more pleasant.

    I tend to scan through the comments and focus on the ones that I see to be either reasonable or witty.

    Helps a lot.

  133. book¡je says:

    Pouzar:
    So sick of this place. The over top excuse making for Yakupov and dumping on Eberle is all I can stand. We have other poster lumping in the POS that is Sam Gagner with a guy who just topped Gagner’s career high and having a down season.

    Don’t even get me started on the RNH nonsense.

    I thought I was a negative SOB but the nonsensical stuff coming out of here lately is too hard to take and is actually making me look pretty damn positive. This place outside of the good guys is becoming HF Boards lite.

    I’m outta here folks. Thx to all the RA, LT, WG, G$, Rex, et al for the informative posts and banter.

    Cheers

    Yeah Pouzar’s right, I am tired of the craphole that this place has become. Its beyond pathetic how other people don’t agree with me. The abject misguided negativity on top of all the misdirected positivity is beyond the pale. I am sick of this place. Nauseated by it. Repulsed and revolted by it! You are all Hitler – all of you – everything you say is like vomiting in my eyes and ears burning my brain until I can’t stand the agony anymore and I smash my computer with my bare hands until they bleed and I collapse sobbing in pain surrounded by metaphorical face vomit, computer parts and blood.

    It will be a cold day in Hell before I ever comment here again!!!!!!!!!

  134. G Money says:

    Andy P: Krueger made the players want to play for him.

    Where does this come from?

    Krueger was *not* a good coach, and despite his other job as a motivational speaker, this team did *not* play hard for him.

    Go back and look at the GDT threads from last year – you’ll see the same venom about lazy, uninterested players unable to play defense as you see this year.

    The mistake was not firing Krueger – he was a lousy coach and should have been fired. The regression of the young players this year is not new, it is a continuation of the regression that started last year.

    The mistake was not (so much) in hiring Eakins – his reputation as a defense-first players coach was as solid as others who’ve had success in the NHL.

    The mistake was in firing Renney, who had NHL experience, whose team was showing progress, and who had the best results with the lousiest team of the bunch.

  135. book¡je says:

    So, how do you guys think Lander will do now that he is getting his grade A chance?

  136. book¡je says:

    G Money,

    I agree with you but I wonder if Kruger would have improved the following year if he had hired a Renney-like coach to do some of the heavy hockey thinking.

  137. delooper says:

    book¡je:
    So, how do you guys think Lander will do now that he is getting his grade A chance?

    Hockey grades are like school grades, credit ratings or more like the way eggs are graded? I’d think the egg grading system would be more appropriate.

  138. G Money says:

    book¡je:
    G Money,

    I agree with you but I wonder if Kruger would have improved the following year if he had hired a Renney-like coach to do some of the heavy hockey thinking.

    Yeah, great point. This is the conundrum that we face in trying to figure out what is wrong with this team.

    On the one hand, the lack of success from our coaches is obvious.

    On the other hand, the common thread is the assistant coaches, who survive last place finishes like cockroaches through a nuclear explosion.

    My take on it is: hiring a rookie coach necessitates the hiring of experienced NHL assistant coaches with a track record of success, and that may have been the biggest failure of management in bringing both Krueger and then Eakins on board.

    Some say that assistant coaches don’t matter – in that case, they should have been replaced anyway, just to create a new culture.

    If they do matter (and I think they do, both for the on ice coaching aspect and also for observation and advice provided to the head coach), then this coaching mess is not all on Krueger and Eakins.

  139. Ducey says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: What makes you so convinced the Isles will hold on to next year’s pick.

    Assuming Snow stays, he seems like a guy that thinks he can win. The Vanek trade shows aggressive move to improve, not bottom out.

    You are assuming that Snow somehow has a rational plan. When your name is Snow, you tend to go where the wind blows you.

    I would think they looked at last years playoffs and thought they could build on it with Vanek. Now they have their best player coming off a major injury, got raped in the Vanek untrade, and a poor finish again.

    I am betting (so to speak) that the wind is blowing Snow to stockpile picks again. Not because it makes sense, but because his attempt to go for it blew up in his face.

  140. book¡je says:

    G Money,

    I agree that assistants are important for the reasons you suggest. Some people say thinks like ‘Bucky is in charge of the PP ‘ and I think that this over states their role.

  141. FastOil says:

    Krueger is such a good coach that after being a part of a legendary Olympic team Canada he was head hunted by British Soccer. ?.

  142. hunter1909 says:

    Watched the oilers get their collective bitches slapped vs a “real” NHL(big tough player) hockey team last night.

    Now Lowetide drops the klefbom that Yakupov’s as good as gone from this terrible, awful, sickening franchise of nepotism and things wrong on too many levels and presumably a few if not more reasons that are simply too dark for this blog.

    With the perpetualness of Hurricane’s project dad Lowe and his katz there is something wrong about this team to every fucking person who so much as casually follows anything aside from their own team.

    Amazingly, that’s not really very many people, and this itself has been used by management over eons of suck, to remain sacrosanct.

    Last night I watched happily as Taylor Hall got bullied along with the rest of Captain Ference’s team. Only when that Florida born idiot chicken**** is finally sacked, resigned,(bought off by the NHL in order to save themselves from another 3 or 4 top 5 draft picks by Lowe’s Losers) can anything resembling progress happen to the Oilers.

    So, let’s just watch and wait until Yakupov gets traded, and followed by others of course – and the team will rise to some pathetic level with MacT’s stamp everywhere.

    While Lowe cheers for the Carolina Hurricanes.

  143. bendelson says:

    Button’s comments on Stauffer’s show were interesting. In a nutshell, you can’t have this many young players regress in a season without it falling directly on Eakins. The coach has failed.

    Interesting.

  144. delooper says:

    bendelson:
    Button’s comments on Stauffer’s show were interesting.In a nutshell, you can’t have this many young players regress in a season without it falling directly on Eakins.The coach has failed.

    Interesting.

    Did he give a reason or was this Button padding his pocketbook with manufactured stories?

  145. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    book¡je: he abject misguided negativity on top of all the misdirected positivity is beyond the pale.

    Good riddance book¡je. I don’t want any of your under the big top excuse making for Eberle or dumping on Yakupov.

  146. icecastles says:

    Fluff you all: I have Japanese pop music cranked and I love the Oilers and I love Yakupov and I love and I love Eakins and I love Hall and I love Eberle and I even love Fraser… okay maybe not Fraser. But I’m still optimistic anyway. I even had fun watching the game last night.

  147. Marcus Oilerius says:

    bendelson:
    Button’s comments on Stauffer’s show were interesting.In a nutshell, you can’t have this many young players regress in a season without it falling directly on Eakins.The coach has failed.

    Interesting.

    I think it comes down to Eakins having a better roster than Renney or Krueger ever did, and doing less with it. Even if he’s not at fault, he hasn’t exactly stopped the bleeding (and anyone bringing up our last 10 games record should look at the shots in those 10 games).

    More than that, the firings in Florida, Buffalo and especially Winnipeg had their benefits. Sometimes it IS the coach.

    There was a great interview with Maurice a few weeks ago, and the interviewer asked him about the differences between him and Noel, and Maurice danced around it like NHLers normally do but he did hint at things. He said when he was a rookie coach, he was hard on systems play, fitness, finishing checks and all that. By the time he was done in Toronto, he realized these are NHLers and they’re smart, they pick up on systems fast, their dedication is rarely if ever in question (though they do have slumps) and he saw coaching as mostly a job of getting to know your players, finding out where their heads are at, what motivates them, and keeping up a positive, productive atmosphere. Made me wonder if Eakins isn’t so focused on systems and fitness that he not only lost the room, he never captured it in the first place.

  148. edwards_daddy says:

    The Oilers’ PP is chugging along at 22% at home, good for 5th in the league, while away they are scoring 10% of the time – 29th in the league.

  149. delooper says:

    icecastles:
    Fluff you all: I have Japanese pop music cranked and I love the Oilers and I love Yakupov and I love and I love Eakins and I love Hall and I love Eberle and I even love Fraser… okay maybe not Fraser. But I’m still optimistic anyway. I even had fun watching the game last night.

    Today is more of a Dirty Projectors day for me. And boiled Kenyan tea.

  150. Lowetide says:

    book¡je: Yeah Pouzar’s right, I am tired of the craphole that this place has become.Its beyond pathetic how other people don’t agree with me. The abject misguided negativity on top of all the misdirected positivity is beyond the pale.I am sick of this place.Nauseated by it. Repulsed and revolted by it! You are all Hitler – all of you – everything you say is like vomiting in my eyes and ears burning my brain until I can’t stand the agony anymore and I smash my computer with my bare hands until they bleed and I collapse sobbing in pain surrounded by metaphorical face vomit, computer parts and blood.

    It will be a cold day in Hell before I ever comment here again!!!!!!!!!

    In 5…4…3..22..111…

    Bag of Pucks:
    http://www.wwtdd.com/2014/03/scarlett-johanssons-tits-are-pregnant/

    The guy in that photo kills me. In his brain are the following noises: “DO NOT LOOK!” “I HAVE TO LOOK!” “YOU CAN’T, THERE’S A G.D. CAMERA RIGHT THERE!” “WHO CARES?? NO JURY WOULD FIND MY GUILTY!” “DO NOT SEEK THE TRASURE?” “LALALALALALALALAALALA”

  151. delooper says:

    Marcus Oilerius:By the time he was done in Toronto, he realized these are NHLers and they’re smart, they pick up on systems fast, their dedication is rarely if ever in question (though they do have slumps) and he saw coaching as mostly a job of getting to know your players, finding out where their heads are at, what motivates them, and keeping up a positive, productive atmosphere.Made me wonder if Eakins isn’t so focused on systems and fitness that he not only lost the room, he never captured it in the first place.

    In that regard Kreuger was probably the most mature coach the Oilers have had in a long time.

  152. icecastles says:

    delooper: And boiled Kenyan tea.

    I’m stuck with nasty-ass Tetley Tea. I love Rocky Mountain House but we could really do with at least a David’s Tea, or a proper cafe.

    A modern art museum wouldn’t hurt, either.

  153. delooper says:

    Would a tea shop do enough business in RMH to break even?

  154. bendelson says:

    delooper,

    I was listening to the interview while juggling chainsaws so I didn’t get it all but my take was that Button sees Eakins as a significant part of the problem.

    In regards to RNH being 9 lbs heavier and carrying less body fat (and clearly struggling) Button asked a few questions along the lines of… so is Eakins the head coach or the strength and conditioning coach? Is he a physiologist? Maybe he should worry about being the head coach and leavingnthatstuff to experts – which he is not.

    He then told a story about Kirk Muller in Dallas. He got very lean late in his career – and Button’s take was that his strength diminished b/c of it….

    Of course I don’t think Button is a physiologist either, so we should take it with a grain of salt but I interpreted it all as Button being surprisingly aggressive about Eakins.

    Sorry for not answering you’re question more directly…

  155. delooper says:

    Hmm… 7000 people is not so many.

  156. Ducey says:

    delooper: In that regard Kreuger was probably the most mature coach the Oilers have had in a long time.

    How about Pat Quinn? He was past mature!

  157. delooper says:

    bendelson:
    ,
    I was listening to the interview while juggling chainsaws so I didn’t get it all but my take was that Button sees Eakins as a significant part of the problem.

    Be careful!

    Sorry for not answering you’re question more directly…

    There’s something to be said about maintaining a certain base level of body fat. Without a minimum the body can’t respond to infections and things like that…

    I’m not convinced we have enough data to make big judgements like this. And I really doubt Craig Button has enough reliable information. This sounds like endless speculation to me.

  158. delooper says:

    Rocky Mountain House Tea, Mathematics, Hockey Analytics and Pencil Shoppe.

  159. thehappyrabbi says:

    Stop micro analyzing Nail Yakupov and remember how successful he is.

    Of the 2012 draft class, he is number 1 in games played. Number 1 in goals scored. Number 1 in total points.

    We keep being told how terrible Nail Yakupov is based on this season. Based on that logic, Jonathan Huberdeau is also a bust, with only 25 points this year, minus 7 and a year older than Yakupov.

    Let the kids suck, it’s what they’re supposed to do.

  160. G Money says:

    Marcus Oilerius: By the time he was done in Toronto, he realized these are NHLers and they’re smart, they pick up on systems fast, their dedication is rarely if ever in question (though they do have slumps) and he saw coaching as mostly a job of getting to know your players, finding out where their heads are at, what motivates them, and keeping up a positive, productive atmosphere. Made me wonder if Eakins isn’t so focused on systems and fitness that he not only lost the room, he never captured it in the first place.

    Some powerful statements in there.

    Too bad we didn’t hire Maurice…

  161. G Money says:

    thehappyrabbi,

    But … but … but … enigma!

  162. Bank Shot says:

    thehappyrabbi:
    Stopmicro analyzing Nail Yakupov and remember how successfulhe is.

    Of the 2012 draft class, he is number 1 in games played. Number 1 in goals scored. Number 1 in total points.

    We keep being told how terrible Nail Yakupov is based on this season. Based on that logic, Jonathan Huberdeau is also a bust, with only 25 points this year, minus 7 and a year older than Yakupov.

    Let the kids suck, it’s what they’re supposed to do.

    It’s crazy that there are 4 defensemen taken in the top ten after him that are pacing him in points this season.

  163. FastOil says:

    bendelson:
    Button’s comments on Stauffer’s show were interesting.In a nutshell, you can’t have this many young players regress in a season without it falling directly on Eakins.The coach has failed.

    Interesting.

    Mike Babcock would have trouble winning with a team on which all of your top level players are basically green except Petry, or actually aren’t that good.

    I am not necessarily in Eakins’ camp, but the shit show he is trying to sort out is not an easy fix.

    Colorado has like 8.5 good, functioning centres. With good goaltending it hides the deficiencies on D. The Oilers to start the year had one centre, ludicrously bad goaltending and one solid D.

    And I’m not even an Oiler apologist. This is the reality. It’s not on the players or coaches, it’s a really wonky roster that the GM’s can’t seem to improve on the whole.

  164. hunter1909 says:

    If management ever figures out a way to spin the blame on Tier Two fans, Yakupov’s history.

  165. delooper says:

    Bank Shot: It’s crazy that there are 4 defensemen taken in the top ten after him that are pacing him in points this season.

    Is it? How often does it occur that the 1st overall leads every other pick from their draft year in points? I imagine that’s a relatively rare occurrence. It’s a draft, not some kind of divine prophesy.

  166. hunter1909 says:

    icecastles: I have Japanese pop music

    Chinese punk rock fan says hello.

  167. thehappyrabbi says:

    Bank Shot,

    Bank Shot: It’s crazy that there are 4 defensemen taken in the top ten after him that are pacing him in points this season.

    It’s also crazy that Seth Jones is minus 21 this season.

  168. nycoil says:

    Ducey: You are assuming that Snow somehow has a rational plan.When your name is Snow, you tend to go where the wind blows you.

    I would think they looked at last years playoffs and thought they could build on it with Vanek.Now they have their best player coming off a major injury, got raped in the Vanek untrade,and a poor finish again.

    I am betting (so to speak) that the wind is blowing Snow to stockpile picks again.Not because it makes sense, but because his attempt to go for it blew up in his face.

    Not to derail the thread, but I think if the Isles’ pick is top 5 they will defer to next year, even if that draft is deeper. I stand by that. As Rom said, a top 5 pick in a “weak” draft is still probably better than a mid-teens pick in a strong draft.

    Now, you can make a valid argument that the Isles may not be that good next season. However, as demonstrated by the folly that was the Vanek trade (part 1), they went all in this year, trying to build on the momentum of last year’s playoff appearance. I think Snow and Wang figure: 1) This is rock bottom with Tavares injured for the season, 2) In the summer they will try to add some pieces such as goaltending to shore up the team in a big push as the last season before they move to Brooklyn, thus, next year’s pick will be much later than this year’s.

    Is that foolish thinking? Perhaps. But it was foolish thinking that got them in this predicament to begin with.

  169. bendelson says:

    delooper,

    Curious…

    What are the chances you’ll be at Lucky Bar on April 11th?

    It seems like a fit (pure speculation).

    Good times.

  170. Andy P says:

    G Money: Where does this come from?Krueger was *not* a good coach, and despite his other job as a motivational speaker, this team did *not* play hard for him.Go back and look at the GDT threads from last year – you’ll see the same venom about lazy, uninterested players unable to play defense as you see this year.The mistake was not firing Krueger – he was a lousy coach and should have been fired. The regression of the young players this year is not new, it is a continuation of the regression that started last year.The mistake was not (so much) in hiring Eakins – his reputation as a defense-first players coach was as solid as others who’ve had success in the NHL.The mistake was in firing Renney, who had NHL experience, whose team was showing progress, and who had the best results with the lousiest team of the bunch.

    Hi there G Money,
    I got that from watching the same things we all watched early in the season, the climax being when they momentarily contended for the playoffs. At which point the inmates took over the asylum and did exactly to Krueger what they did to Quinn, Renney, Krueger and now Eakins. Serial coach killers.

    Quinn was clearly out of touch. Renney was, I agree, the best qualified and the most effective coach of the three. As a motivational speaker, Krueger did initially get the core players excited abut playing, to the extent they agreed with what he wanted them to do. It seems to me that once he started cracking down on their lapses in play, he fell out of favour and became a dead man walking. But he was an exceptional coach before the Oil, and I think he will rebound from this, just as Renney has.

    Eakins came in heads up, guns blazing. His way or the highway, and then he had a disastrous run of injuries to his prime players followed by a goalie collapse. So what we are watching now, IMO, is the implosion of the team as a result of a death struggle between a hard headed coach, and whoever is/are the serial coach killer/s on the team. I’m sure you have seen this in the organizations we have fixed in the past, and we both know how ugly this gets once it has gone this far. There is no pretty outcome.

    In my instances, I mostly had the backing of the boards, or senior management. In two of the instances, we isolated the head of the snake, kept the teams onside and ended up with high performing teams. In the third instance, the “coach killers” got the better of me, I left, and the company stopped doing business 6 months later. All of which took place here in Canada.

    I was a lot more comfortable with Krueger than Eakins and I was sorry to see him go. But I still think that MacT should have traded out the coach killers sooner than later, because the damage to the team can only get worse.

    I said earlier that nobody should be sacrosanct, and my prime suspect as a negative influencer is Eberle, supported by Gagner. Hall, Yak and Schultz. It seems to me that Nuge may be the only one of that young core who is really keeping his head down and staying out of these shenanigans.

    But I don’t know any more than the rest of you, probably even les, I just believe we are wasting our time trading this for that until they clean the mold out of the dressing room cos’ it sure seems to have become toxic.

    But, last time I got into all this, the team seemed to put a string of wins together, so all we can do is wait and see, and hope the sorry mess is fixed sooner rather than later.

  171. delooper says:

    bendelson:

    What are the chances you’ll be at Lucky Bar on April 11th?

    Probably pretty low. Show is sold out and I didn’t even realize it was happening. But who knows?

  172. nycoil says:

    LT, a couple of questions for you.

    1) Why do you think the Oilers held on to Jones? No appetite for him, even for a late round pick, with salary retained? He can’t possibly be in next year’s plans, can he? That roster spot could have been opened up for someone from the farm.

    2) What do you think of (in above idea), slotting Lander in on Gordon’s wing so that he can learn from the team’s best checking centre how to do it at the NHL level. I would have thought sending Jones away and putting Lander on RW with Gordon and Smyth or Joensuu on the port side would have been a nice way to properly break the kid in, if they believe in him. I suppose if they don’t really believe in him, they may throw him in at 2C and go with the “sink or swim” approach to see if he can bring any offense at the NHL level, but shouldn’t the team be helping to mentor/teach these kids, the way Horcov used to do for Yak, etc.?

    In that scenario I would have run Nuge-Hall-Yak, Gagner-Perron-Eberle, Gordon-Joensuu-Lander, Arcobello-Smyth-Pitlick (Hendricks if it must, which I guess it must) for the rest of this year. Seems pretty clear that Arcobello just isn’t in the team’s plans.

  173. fifthcartel says:

    Gene Principe ‏@GenePrincipe 34s
    Dallas Eakins says Sam Gagner will not play tonight. Anton Lander will play. He’ll be with Hall and Perron.

    :O

    I feel like some ancient prophecy is being fulfilled.

  174. OilClog says:

    FastOil: Mike Babcock would have trouble winning with a team on which all of your top level players are basically green except Petry, or actually aren’t that good.

    I am not necessarily in Eakins’ camp, but the shit show he is trying to sort out is not an easy fix.

    Colorado has like 8.5 good, functioning centres. With good goaltending it hides the deficiencies on D. The Oilers to start the year had one centre, ludicrously bad goaltending and one solid D.

    And I’m not even an Oiler apologist. This is the reality. It’s not on the players or coaches, it’s a really wonky roster that the GM’s can’t seem to improve on the whole.

    But, Babcock would have this team running better. A rookie team doesn’t need a rookie coach, too much green!

    Eakins admitting to watching no previous footage is a rookie move. Would a veteran coach come in blind?

    It is on coaching when the young players regress, there’s no one legged Whitney, no Belanger triangle, no reason to play Joenssu, Jones, Gazdic, Lander over Arco.

    Ralph had the kids in the right direction, asked for experienced help because he was aware what he lacked and what was lacking in support.

    Eakins plays favourites, tries to be the smartest man in the room, and is nothing more then Toronto media Hype. We had a better candidate in our own system.

    Another head coach move would be ridiculous, yet I have zero faith in Eakins as the coach. I’ve watched this team my entire life and this season hasn’t resembled hockey at all.

  175. Bruce McCurdy says:

    eidy: He is routinely the first one to break north and the last to get back. I tried to start a drinking game where everytime one of the wingers covered for him or if he flew the centre of the ice to get to the wing for a breakout pass, but my liver and wallet were quitting on me.

    ^^^This^^^ times 3.141592

    Multiple episodes of this pretty much every night. Gagner is rarely the first F back over his own blueline, & is all too happy to defer to F1 (or is it F3? I forget) to pick up the low slot. Or when he & the low W try to switch back off, the goal scorer* finds the seam & bam!

    eidy: He has been quite good on the PK as well. Its OK to dislike the contract, but I don’t mind the player.

    ^^^This^^^ times 1.618033. We had this discussion enough times re: Horcoff. If the player can’t cover the bet doesn’t mean he can’t cover some part of the bet. The contract s/b a judgement of management more than it is of the specific player.

    That said, in my view, in the short term Hendricks has more than covered the bet. He’s been a pleasant surprise, a plug who can actually play. I’ve been pretty impressed with his defensive play, be it 5v5, 4v5 or 3v5. No offensive dynamo obviously, but knows a thing or two about dump-and-thump. In the process the puck seems to be going in the right direction a lot while he’s out there, even though there’s rarely Goal at the end of the rainbow.

  176. hunter1909 says:

    fifthcartel: I feel like some ancient prophecy is being fulfilled.

    Sort of like that opening sequence in The Exorcist.

  177. denny33 says:

    VanOil,

    Trading away two top 6 RW in the same year is Gillis trading away two #1 goalies stupid. I am not saying it can’t happen but it is very unlikely.
    *******************************************************************************
    Said it right when Mac T started pronouncing BOLD moves were coming…..he makes me nervous.

    Then reports by other GM’s saying Mac T’s – untouchable – list was a long as the Great Wall of China.

    I am going to suggest that in order for Mac T to actually make a ‘Bold’ move – he has to move one of the young stars. (moving Hemsky was not bold)

    Not saying I agree with moving Yak – but I suspect Mac T through this year may be inclined to move one of the young forwards for a change in the mix on the team. Bold move.

    In order to get something of value – you are going to have to give up something of value.

  178. hunter1909 says:

    OilClog: I’ve watched this team my entire life and this season hasn’t resembled hockey at all.

    That’s why Oiler fans lead the universe in following stats. Stats can even make the Oilers look positive. Like staring into the sun, they get to see something wonderful right before going blind.

  179. G Money says:

    Andy P: As a motivational speaker, Krueger did initially get the core players excited abut playing, to the extent they agreed with what he wanted them to do.

    It’s interesting, I agree with pretty much everything you said, but I interpret the process of what happened that season very differently!

    I found it interesting that we had a bunch of players come in and start the season well, but then they got progressively worse as the season went on. This was true of the guys who were in the AHL, and it was true of Yak who started in the KHL. Then after a massive mid-season slump (much of the damage of which was staved off because of steller play from Dubnyk, especially on the PK), once it was late in the season, suddenly the team started playing well again.

    So – and I base this entirely on the analysis that was done by systems guys showing that the system that Krueger was using was a unique “smartest guy in the room” “nobody else is using this” system – my opinion is that:
    - The players came in new having played either in the KHL, the AHL, or on other teams, and played reasonably well
    - As the players became further and further entrenched in Krueger’s system, they got worse and worse. No one suffered more than Gagner and Hemsky, whose Corsi fell off a cliff from the previous Renney year
    - Once the games became meaningless, the shackles of Krueger’s system came off and the team got better again

    So, my read funnily enough is the opposite of yours: the team played well when Krueger’s influence was low, and badly when it was high. Ergo: bad coach.

    Similarly this year, I gave Eakins the benefit of the doubt thru the early days and the horrible goaltending. But after 40 games, the team was no better (if anything, regressing), ergo: bad coach.

    But I would say no worse than Krueger, who has (arguably) slightly better but basically the same shade of shitty results, but at least he had a year as assistant coach with this team to his credit, so I consider it a wash.

  180. Ducey says:

    fifthcartel:
    Gene Principe ‏@GenePrincipe34s
    Dallas Eakins says Sam Gagner will not play tonight. Anton Lander will play. He’ll be with Hall and Perron.

    :O

    I feel like some ancient prophecy is being fulfilled.

    LT is old, but not that old.

  181. denny33 says:

    RexLibris,

    The Oilers are perhaps unfortunate enough to have undergone a rebuild during a period when the first overall selections at the draft may not be of the highest order. Not to say that Hall, Nugent-Hopkins and Yakupov are not good, even potentially great, players. Simply that amongst those three there does not appear to be a Lemieux or Yzerman who almost single-handedly seems to pull a team out of the bottom of the standings.
    **********************************************************************
    Funny you mention this….I was thinking the same thing.

    Winnipeg media and management are raving about Nathan Mackinnon – I mean the kid is 18 and
    has 22 goals, & 29 assists for 51 points. More than the production – he is a force in the game – at the age of 18.

    Said many times RNH is my favourite player – but I am not sure where RNH would go if he were in the 2013 NHL draft.

  182. icecastles says:

    Andy P: the climax being when they momentarily contended for the playoffs

    this is perhaps the most popular myth of Kreuger’s time here.

    People talk about how they were playing “meaningful games in February” while conveniently not mentioning that the season started in JANUARY. Additionally, that temporary 8th place position was due in part to the fact that the Oilers had at that point played more games than the teams around them. From a points-per-game perspective, which is really the only way to measure it since not all teams play games on the same nights, they were never seriously in contention.

    Furthermore, it’s worth noting that the Oilers were almost unanimously considered to have a significant advantage in the shortened season as their top guys had all played together on OKC for several months before the NHL season got going. Another point that’s conveniently left out when people say how well the Oilers did “despite not having a training camp”.

  183. Jordan says:

    Ducey: LT is old, but not that old.

    I’ve met Dirt younger than Old man Mitchell!

    … of course, as a permaculture designer, I grow my own dirt, so I see a lot of fresh new dirt.

  184. justDOit says:

    Man – the Canucks just can’t buy a break these days.

    Edit: Even the BUS has quit on Torts!

  185. Ribs says:

    Matt Cooke needs to be kicked out of this league. Just scummy. You can’t tell me that he “accidentally led with his legs while hitting Gagner.

    I hope the Oilers do better tonight than the last game they played versus the Wings. 5-0 was the score (setting the bar low).

  186. G Money says:

    justDOit:
    Man – the Canucks just can’t buy a break these days.

    Edit: Even the BUS has quit on Torts!

    Ha!

    Let us hope the Hockey Gords have finally turned their malevolent gaze away from the Oilers, and we can finally have nice things again.

  187. denny33 says:

    G Money,

    Too bad we didn’t hire Maurice…
    *****************************************************************
    Biggest difference is Maurice has nearly lost his voice after some games here….not saying loud coach is good. Quiet coach is bad…but Maurice has been extremely vocal on the bench and Noel was nearly silent.

  188. Lowetide says:

    nycoil:
    LT, a couple of questions for you.

    1) Why do you think the Oilers held on to Jones? No appetite for him, even for a late round pick, with salary retained? He can’t possibly be in next year’s plans, can he? That roster spot could have been opened up for someone from the farm.

    2) What do you think of (in above idea), slotting Lander in on Gordon’s wing so that he can learn from the team’s best checking centre how to do it at the NHL level. I would have thought sending Jones away and putting Lander on RW with Gordon and Smyth or Joensuu on the port side would have been a nice way to properly break the kid in, if they believe in him. I suppose if they don’t really believe in him, they may throw him in at 2C and go with the “sink or swim” approach to see if he can bring any offense at the NHL level, but shouldn’t the team be helping to mentor/teach these kids, the way Horcov used to do for Yak, etc.?

    In that scenario I would have run Nuge-Hall-Yak, Gagner-Perron-Eberle, Gordon-Joensuu-Lander, Arcobello-Smyth-Pitlick (Hendricks if it must, which I guess it must) for the rest of this year. Seems pretty clear that Arcobello just isn’t in the team’s plans.

    1. I don’t think Ryan Jones has a lot of value. I’m not picking on him, but in historic terms his bell curve for NHL play was always going to fade out in early 30′s. He turns 30 in June, suspect he signs with another team and may have another spurt before fading. That eye injury may have had a big impact on his career.

    2. I have no problem with slotting Lander on the wing. The issue with him is footspeed imo, and being able to score above the Mendoza line.

  189. Ducey says:

    G Money: Some powerful statements in there.

    Too bad we didn’t hire Maurice…

    The Jets were 7-2 in his first 9.

    4-3-4 since and have not won in 5.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=446207

  190. Woodguy says:

    So Fraser out (groin, general skill level) and Gagner is out (ankle, lack of clue without puck)

    This will be more interesting that I first thought.

    2nd of B2B on road is tough, but given that the top 4-5 C’s on DET are out they have a chance.

    Go Oilers!!

    *clap, clap*

  191. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Any of you folks into semi-obscure pop-rock outfits from the 70s, maybe that veer toward Eno c. Tiger Mountain, will appreciate this amazing band I found recently, Sparks.

    Just got two lps in the mail from the UK. amazing stuff.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igQBt23H30I

    Lucky Bar still exists? that’s an eternity for a victoria bar.

  192. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Sparks.

    seriously. this band is killing me right now. amazing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHAtv9TXEv0

  193. bendelson says:

    Ribs:
    Matt Cooke needs to be kicked out of this league. Just scummy. You can’t tell me that he “accidentally led with his legs while hitting Gagner.

    Another questionable hit from Cooke?

    An argument can be made that he remains a dirty player and has just altered his M.O. from headhunting and other suspend-able offenses to now going in hot with body parts flailing about.

    Accidents are bound to happen.

  194. Woodguy says:

    “Nuge, Yak and Ebs need to find a way to be a factor. I can’t send Taylor Hall to every line to rescue it”

    - Dallas Eakins after being asked by Stauffer if he’ll reunite 4,93,64

    I like the sentiment.

  195. icecastles says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Into Eno’s ambient stuff more than his Roxy Music work, but he’s rarely done anything I couldn’t appreciate or enjoy on some level. I’ll check it out.

  196. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Any of you folks into semi-obscure pop-rock outfits from the 70s, maybe that veer toward Eno c. Tiger Mountain, will appreciate this amazing band I found recently, Sparks.

    Just got two lps in the mail from the UK. amazing stuff.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igQBt23H30I

    Lucky Bar still exists? that’s an eternity for a victoria bar.

    I liked the House Martens, but more 80′s.

  197. G Money says:

    Ducey: The Jets were 7-2 in his first 9.

    4-3-4 since and have not won in 5.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=446207

    True, but I don’t expect miracles.

    I don’t think the Jets are a very good team – not actually much better than the Oilers tbh, so a mediocre record is probably right in line.

    And I also think we as Oiler fans would know as well as anyone how big a disconnect there can be between how good or bad a team is and what the short-term record is. Especially one with as shitty goaltending as the Jets have.

    Their PDO over the last five games is .96, mostly because of a 6ish sh% (seasonal avg closer to 9%), and they’ve outshot every team but the Kings over that span, so as a guess I would chalk up the losses (not having watched the games) to mostly a shooters slump rather than bad play.

    But if you’ve watched the games and feel that they’re actually playing poorly or poorly coached, I will defer to your conclusion.

  198. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    icecastles:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Into Eno’s ambient stuff more than his Roxy Music work, but he’s rarely done anything I couldn’t appreciate or enjoy on some level. I’ll check it out.

    Never got into the ambient stuff. Loved his solo rock albums, esp Tiger Mountain and Green World. And, of course, the Bowie albums.

  199. delooper says:

    Hall-Lander-Perron tonight. I wish I could watch the game. This is Lander’s big show.

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