OILERS GRAB FASTH TRAIN

We’ve been talking about Viktor Fasth (pronounced, I believe, Faw-th) for years now and today he became  a member of the Edmonton Oilers. Craig MacTavish moved out a roster spot for the deal by sending Ilya Bryzgalov to Minnesota at the same time. The currency in both deals is draft picks a 4th coming Edmonton’s way while a 5th and next year’s third are heading out of town.

It’s worth listing where Edmonton is drafting for 2014 at this time:

  • #2 overall
  • #91 overall (the Ilya Bryzgalov trade, this is actually Buffalo’s fourth rder)
  • #116 overall (the Mike Brown trade)
  • #152 overall
  • #182 overall

TRADE DEADLINE VALUE TABLE

  • Ales Hemsky: First-round draft pick (or a second and a fourth).
  • Nick Schultz: A third round pick.
  • Ryan Smyth: A fourth round pick.
  • Corey Potter: A fourth round pick.
  • Anton Belov: A fourth round pick.
  • Ilya Bryzgalov: A fourth round pick ***correctly predicted value***
  • Jesse Joensuu: A fourth round pick.
  • Taylor Fedun: A fourth round pick.
  • Mark Fraser: A fourth round pick.
  • Luke Gazdic: A fifth round pick.
  • Ryan Jones: A sixth round pick.
  • Denis Grebeshkov: A seventh round pick.
  • Ben Eager: A seventh round pick.
  • Oscar Klefbom: As part of a hockey deal.

FIRST BLUSH

I liked Viktor Fasth as a free agent and feel he’s potentially a good match for the Oilers. The dollars are high ($2.9M cap hit) for a goalie who is not proven and there is some risk in the acquisition. I’m also not certain of the 2015 3rd’s value, but it might be more like a second rounder in a normal year.

That said, I’m thrilled overall because this deal takes the club away from one of those Khabibulin-level risk signings or trades in the summer. Ken Holland has it right on goalies: if you’re not going to acquire one of the truly elite ones, get a good one at the lowest price possible. I would quibble about the cost (both in dollars and picks) but do like Fasth as an option and am pleased with the move.

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  1. The Great One says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 2m

    Quite the endorsement –> RT @OilersNow Ducks goalie coach Dwayne Roloson says Viktor Fasth is a “bonafide number one goaltender.”

  2. coolwasabi says:

    I’m okay but not ecstatic.
    On the plus side, you have 2 goalies who have the potential to be NHL starters. They can push each other. If they’re starters, they’re relatively cheap and in the prime of their career. On the negative side, you have 2 goalies who still have to prove that they belong in the NHL. They have less than 90 NHL games between the 2 of them. They’re both currently paid like NHLers.

    It’s a bit more risk than I’d like, but still a pretty solid bet.
    Anything can happen. Dubnyk + LaBarbera seemed like a smart, solid NHL tandem just 6 months ago. Now, they’re both out of the NHL (!).

    But honestly, these moves will be a moot point if MacT/Eakins don’t improve the defence substantially.

  3. Kitchener says:

    I love what Scrivens has brought so far, but I’d rather have two “probably #1s” than just one.

    MacT must be setting the record for % of total NHL trades made by one team. Good – the record warrants it.

  4. The Great One says:

    John Shannon ‏@JSportsnet 1m

    Hearing Phoenix is kicking tires on Hemsky.

  5. Pouzar says:

    I just got a lot dumber listening to Allan on Oilersnow. OMG.

  6. The Great One says:

    Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline 10m

    #LAKings are in on Gaborik. Nothing would spike their interest more than if #Ducks land Vanek.

  7. su_dhillon says:

    LT- t said, I’m thrilled overall because this deal takes the club away from one of those Khabibulin-level risk signings or trades in the summer”

    Haha in most cirlces this would be considered faint praise but I agree with you, if its a mistake its not going to crush them going foward and there is a chance that Fasth can be solid 1A. Saves us from major anxiety on July 1 thinking about a $5-6M offer for a guy like Hiller.

    I think there would of been bets as good in the summer for cheaper but its not anything to be upset about, decent gamble.

  8. Professor Q says:

    It would only be pronounced “Faw-th’ if you had a lisp…

  9. slopitch says:

    Scrivens and Fasth for 2 3rds and a 5th. Nice job MacT.

  10. Lowetide says:

    Pouzar:
    I just got a lot dumber listening to Allan on Oilersnow. OMG.

    I don’t appear on Oilers Now.

  11. The Great One says:

    Professor Q:
    It would only be pronounced “Faw-th’ if you had a lisp…

    Lithp

  12. Lloyd B. says:

    Not that he had much choice but I like the strategy of drafting skaters and trading for goalies once someone else has developed them…even partially. A third round pick has a small percentage chance of even making the NHL never mind as a goalie. Then a third and fifth for another partially developed goalie. Sure both of these guys have yet to prove they can be a number one goalie but either one or both might be. I also heard the interview with Roloson. Solid pick up.

  13. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide: I don’t appear on Oilers Now.

    LOL…obviously he spells his name Allen!

  14. The Great One says:

    Retweeted by Edmonton Oilers
    Chris Wescott ‏@TheChrisWescott 4m

    #Oilers newly acquired goalie Viktor Fasth told me he plans to arrive in Edmonton tomorrow, but unsure of final details.

  15. The Great One says:

    Gene Principe ‏@GenePrincipe 1m

    Appears U of A goalie Kurtis Mucha will be Ben Scrivens backup tonight for Edmonton vs. Ottawa. Waiting for confirmation.#tradedeadlinelingo

  16. ChiliChunk says:

    #110 overall (the Ilya Bryzgalov trade)

    According to Michael Russo (http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/248412421.html)

    General Manager Chuck Fletcher pulled the trigger on Ilya Bryzgalov this afternoon, sending the 2014 fourth-round pick he received in the Jason Pominville trade last year from Buffalo to the Edmonton Oiler

    So that will be more like #91 or so right?

  17. oilersfan says:

    is fasth injured?

  18. neojanus says:

    Mind you, 5 million for a goalie tandem that could combine for .930% is not a bad number. Scrivens earned his job and might be an elite goalie at the end of the day. Fasth has had some issues, but is certainly better than some options that might be available.

    This is a pretty solid set of moves on goalies for this team.

    Now… find a bloody defenseman that can calm down the back end a little… Christ.

  19. Lowetide says:

    ChiliChunk: According to Michael Russo (http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/248412421.html)

    So that will be more like #91 or so right?

    Great catch. That would make it #91.

  20. wheatnoil says:

    oilersfan:
    is fasth injured?

    He’s been injured for much of the year, but according to Cult of Hockey, he is now well, has been on a conditioning stint in the AHL, and was scheduled to be recalled today. He performed well during his conditioning stint with a .922 save percentage.

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/03/04/edmonton-oilers-trade-ilya-bryzgalov-to-minnesota-acquire-viktor-fasth-from-anaheim/

    ChiliChunk,

    If true, that’s an added bonus. Trading Bryz for a top 100 pick is a win.

  21. RexLibris says:

    oilersfan:
    is fasth injured?

    He has been on a conditioning stint in Norfolk the last few weeks.

  22. The Great One says:

    With Phoenix reportedly interested in Hemsky…who would trade Hemsky and Gagner for Henrik Samuelsson?

    I would.

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  25. maudite says:

    Two goalies with enough valid potential at giving you average or better goaltending over a season for ~5 million = an absolutely solid move.

    Even if this doesn’t end up working out, I will be arguing with people who try to troll with hindsight.

    Now the truth of the matter comes into play:

    Another solid top 6 center and two legitimate or burgeoning top 4 defenseman

    Lofty goal indeed.

    Quick random trade query LT:

    What are your thoughts on this fantasy deal

    PK Subban and Galchenyuk for Eberle, Shultz and Gagner (with someone like Micheal Bournival thrown into balance on MTL side and any bonus dman in oiler’s stable of “likely not returning” to help supplement MTL d corps if required)

    It’s giving up a lot but I think the need for a truly bold move to upgrade our D corps goes a lot further pushing us into contention than anywhere else. While I like Shultz as a dman down the road, I think he needs another year or two of developing in a more sheltered role and we just don’t have that luxury.

    Subban >>> Shultz
    Eberle > Galchenyuk
    Gagner >> Micheal Bournival

    Does that seem like a reasonable type of deal to you? I’m just at a loss trying to figure out true potential ways to upgrade the backend. Kind of thinking they might have to get pretty creative and it has to involve real pieces going the other way.

    Hall RHN XXX (I put the blank here as I think a 2nd tier type offensive player with the a nose for the net and puck retrieval skills could thrive alongside these two)
    Perron Galchenyuk Yak
    XXX Gordon XXX
    Hendricks Lander Arco

    Gazdic, XXX

    Subban
    XXX
    Petry (or petry is 2 and short term overpay older D as the three)
    Marincin
    Ference
    XXX

    Thoughts?

  26. book¡je says:

    wheatnoil: He’s been injured for much of the year, but according to Cult of Hockey, he is now well, has been on a conditioning stint in the AHL, and was scheduled to be recalled today. He performed well during his conditioning stint with a .920 save percentage.

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/03/04/edmonton-oilers-trade-ilya-bryzgalov-to-minnesota-acquire-viktor-fasth-from-anaheim/

    ChiliChunk,

    If true, that’s an added bonus. Trading Bryz for a top 100 pick is a win.

    Thanks, I was wondering why he had only played in 5 games

  27. The Great One says:

    Anaheim Ducks ‏@AnaheimDucks 26s

    Murray on trading Fasth: “Viktor is a class act and a great guy. He battled to get back. Viktor is going to be a No. 1 in Edmonton.”

  28. stevezie says:

    I get to be right. Neat. Just tickled pink with the goaltending for next year.

  29. icecastles says:

    I just hope Roli has taught Faspthfff the “bat the puck out of your glove” move. I miss that.

  30. Bag of Pucks says:

    MacT’s goalie related trades this year:

    Brossoit and Horak for Smid and Oliver Roy
    Hendricks for Dubynk
    Scrivens for 3rd
    4th for Brygalov
    Fasth for 3rd and 5th

    So in a nutshell…

    Hendricks/Horak/Scrivens/Fasth/4th FOR Smid/Dubnyk/Oliver Roy/Bryzgalov/3rd/3rd/5th

    That my friends is what it looks like when your GM turns magic beans into NHL players.

    Well played MacT, well played indeed.

  31. nelson88 says:

    Solid moves by MacT.

    If a contender gets Hemsky for a late 2nd rounder it will be a steal for them.

    I despise the Canucks and the fact that Kessler is forcing Gillis into the smartest move he will have made as GM. Selling an asset at its peak. With the rumoured return the Canucks will still struggle for a few years given their aging core but likely dodge an Oiler/Flames total rebuild.

  32. Ducey says:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=445252

    Boyes signed by the Panthers. Hopefully that increases Hemsky’s trade value.

    That contract ($2.625 M/ yr for 2 yrs) is also likely would be what Hemsky might get on the free agent market.

  33. leadfarmer says:

    Wow, Luongo to the panthers

  34. Ducey says:

    Whoa. Luongo to the Panthers.

  35. gmac2412 says:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=445254

    Does this mean Tim Thomas is on the move as well?

  36. jb says:

    Canucks blowing it up? hahahah FAILURE

  37. Gerta Rauss says:

    Holy crap…the last couple of hours has been more exciting than the last 8 years watching Oilers hockey.

    Wow

  38. gogliano says:

    gmac2412:
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=445254

    Does this mean Tim Thomas is on the move as well?

    TT would have to be a top choice for a team wanting a “playoff goalie,” no? I’d assume they’ll move him.

  39. Andy P says:

    gogliano: TT would have to be a top choice for a team wanting a “playoff goalie,” no?I’d assume they’ll move him.

    Provided the team he goes to, is owned by Republicans. :)

  40. nycoil says:

    Markstrom + something?

  41. Zangetsu says:

    If we moved the fourth and fifth I’d call it a decent deal. Get rid of one older goalie who doesn’t quite work for one that might. That third is a lot for a guy who has looked pretty bad this year. (Small sample size). There is little to suggest Fasth is an nhl gaoler.

  42. Pouzar says:

    Andy P,

    or The Tea Party :P

  43. gmac2412 says:

    gogliano,

    Agreed!! TT would add something to a team wanting insurance for the playoffs.

    Does this mean that Gillis has thrown in the towel on making the playoffs this year already? I guess we have to see what else is coming back from Florida first……

  44. Zangetsu says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    nhl player(Scrivens) who is unproven. A guy who will be out of the league within two years on a terribly high contract for his calibre(Hendricks). And two more magic beens. I don’t love that progression outside of Scrivens for a third.

  45. Alsker says:

    If Gillis had done that deal(whatever Vcr is getting in return) during the summer it would have changed many things indeed(like saving his job).

  46. cc says:

    Good move. Added this on a different post but would like to add it again

    1. Lose this chaotic coach at seasons end, its evident he is not going to live up to the billing. And go and do whatever it takes to get Nolan from Buffalo.
    2. Everyone knows we need a #1 D-man: Trade Taylor Hall and maybe throw in a d-man of some value and get Weber or someone of the like. Tired of watching him give the puck away in the offensive zone. Did it like 6 times in the Calgary game. The guy has great speed and can hit the net half the time and he does get everyone excited with his two or three rushes per game, but his lack of sense and defensive liabilities hurt us more then help us.
    3. Say sorry to Andrew Ference and trade him for a better top four d-man. I’m tired of watching him crash and burn. He is just not the solution they thought he was.
    4. Package Sam Gagner with a pick, plus?? and get Vannek.
    5. DO NOT TRADE HEMSKY!!
    6. Get Mark Arcobello back in the line-up now.

  47. Andy P says:

    Pouzar:
    Andy P,

    or The Tea Party

    Yup :)

  48. gmac2412 says:

    James Duthie tweeting that the Luongo deal is for Matthias and Markstrom…..

  49. book¡je says:

    Well, the Canucks have finally solved their two goalie problems – wait – what – 0 goalies now?

  50. Professor Q says:

    Damn… Matthias would have been nice. Still, we can hold out for Kulikov/Gudbranson?

    gmac2412:
    James Duthie tweeting that the Luongo deal is for Matthias and Markstrom…..

  51. striatic says:

    Quick, trade with Gillis now, before he’s shook out of his losing streak induced fever dream.

  52. Ryan says:

    cc,

    1. I’m not fan of Eakins either. I don’t know that Nolan would be my first choice, but the dialogue from the Oilers PR suggests that Eakins isn’t going anywhere. The best you can hope for is that Steve Smith and Bucky are gone next year with upgrades.
    2. If you don’t know Hall is our best player, I can’t help you.
    3. Ference has not worked out well, agreed. I can’t imagine how Mact can package Ference for anything let alone a top 4 dman. Who would want Ference on that contract?
    4. Vanek has an expiring contract and the odds that he re-ups in Edmonton approaches zero.
    5. Hemsky’s gone. He’s not resigning here, so might as well get an asset rather than let his contract expire and get nothing.

  53. denny33 says:

    Craig has earned this teams position in the standings to be sure.

    However, there have been some solid moves this year.

    Getting a return on Bryz and obtaining Scrivens and Fasth for picks are solid moves and deserving of credit.

  54. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Turns out Edmonton may not have the worst management team in the league. Vancouver is now a strong contender. The Luongo deal in and of itself isn’t bad. The Luongo deal a year after he demanded a trade, and almost a year after you shipped out the guy you were going to replace him with… Mike Gillis, what are you doing?

    Professor Q,

    We’ve already got a third line centre.

  55. anonymous says:

    Good move by the Oilers if they can get their defense sorted out. Might mean drafting fifth instead of second.

    Don’t like Gillis but it’s the smart thing to do. Knowing when to tear it down would have helped the Oilers get value for their players rather than middling picks.

  56. Andy P says:

    cc:
    Good move.Added this on a different post but would like to add it again

    1. Lose this chaotic coach at seasons end, its evident he is not going to live up to the billing. And go and do whatever it takes to get Nolan from Buffalo.
    2. Everyone knows we need a #1 D-man: Trade Taylor Hall and maybe throw in a d-man of some value and get Weber or someone of the like. Tired of watching him give the puck away in the offensive zone. Did it like 6 times in the Calgary game. The guy has great speed and can hit the net half the time and he does get everyone excited with his two or three rushes per game, but his lack of sense and defensive liabilities hurt us more then help us.
    3. Say sorry to Andrew Ference and trade him for a better top four d-man. I’m tired of watching him crash and burn. He is just not the solution they thought he was.
    4. Package Sam Gagner with a pick, plus?? and get Vannek.
    5. DO NOT TRADE HEMSKY!!
    6. Get Mark Arcobello back in the line-up now.

    Getting the silent treatment eh? :)
    1. You’re kidding of course.
    2. See #1
    3. What if the drop in performance is due to him playing injured, and he comes back to form next season? They should rather rest him/send him for surgery now the season is lost so he can have plenty of time to heal, unlike Nuge.
    4. The pick might be worth more without Sam.
    5. Unless Hemsky let them know he has no intention of re-signing here. I wonder why.
    6. I actually hope they do.

  57. denny33 says:

    gmac2412,

    Does anyone know how a soon to be 35 year old goalie – with a ridiculous contract – helps the re-building Panthers?

  58. Andy P says:

    denny33:
    gmac2412,

    Does anyone know how a soon to be 35 year old goalie – with a ridiculous contract – helps the re-building Panthers?

    Maybe the new owner’s a Democrat :)

  59. FPB94 says:

    maudite,

    What? Why the hell would the Canadiens do that? Add Bournival as a sweetener ? What the ****?

    You realise Subban just won the Norris Trophy right? Eberle isn’t NEAR his worth.

    Edit: I tought that was Nick. But still point stands.

  60. gmac2412 says:

    denny33:
    gmac2412,

    Does anyone know how a soon to be 35 year old goalie – with a ridiculous contract – helps the re-building Panthers?

    Beats the s*** out of me Denny33!!

  61. Bag of Pucks says:

    Zangetsu:
    Bag of Pucks,

    nhl player(Scrivens) who is unproven. A guy who will be out of the league within two years on a terribly high contract for his calibre(Hendricks). And two more magic beens. I don’t love that progression outside of Scrivens for a third.

    Actually it’s a starting goaltending duo (Scrivens & Fasth) plus two solid prospects (Horak and Brossoit) and an overpaid 4th liner (Hendricks) with badly needed leadership intangibles in exchange for one middling defenseman (Smid), 3 goalies that nobody wants (Dubnyk and Roy) or wanted (Bryz) and some midrange lottery tickets.

    There’s no way these transactions can be spun as anything other than solid work by MacT unless you rate Smid as the second coming of Pronger.

  62. gmac2412 says:

    So Gillis turned Luongo and Schneider into Bo Horvat, Shawn Matthias and Jacob Markstrom (plus hearing rumours of salary being eaten by VAN).

    If that is the case, MacT suddenly looks like a genius in comparison!!

  63. hoser313 says:

    denny33:
    gmac2412,

    Does anyone know how a soon to be 35 year old goalie – with a ridiculous contract – helps the re-building Panthers?

    Media conferences where Thomas and Luongo can pump each other’s tires. Sorry Thomas but now it really IS your job to pump Luongo’s tires.

  64. FPB94 says:

    gmac2412,

    I’m surprised he even got something for Luongo, that dude had negative value.

  65. icecastles says:

    Zangetsu: nhl player(Scrivens) who is unproven. A guy who will be out of the league within two years on a terribly high contract for his calibre(Hendricks). And two more magic beens.

    maudite:
    PK Subban and Galchenyuk for Eberle, Shultz and Gagner

    cc: Trade Taylor Hall and maybe throw in a d-man of some value and get Weber or someone of the like

    Looks like crazy is well-represented on here today.

  66. Ducey says:

    denny33:
    gmac2412,

    Does anyone know how a soon to be 35 year old goalie – with a ridiculous contract – helps the re-building Panthers?

    No. I really don’t understand this at all. Markstrom looks to be a decent goalie prospect. In fact, his numbers are not that far off of Luongo’s – behind a worse team.

    Tallon could have just plucked him off waivers last year for nothing.

    Big whiff here by FLA.

  67. Marcus Oilerius says:

    gmac2412:
    So Gillis turned Luongo and Schneider into Bo Horvat, Shawn Matthias and Jacob Markstrom (plus hearing rumours of salary being eaten by VAN).

    If that is the case, MacT suddenly looks like a genius in comparison!!

    I’ve been working 10 minutes on a post trying to express that exact sentiment, you just did it better and faster.

  68. Bank Shot says:

    Luongo will probably be good until he’s 39-40. He’s been a top goaltender for his entire career.

    Matthias and Markstrom have proven nothing. I think 3-5 years of quality netminding is better than those two maybes.

  69. gmac2412 says:

    FPB94:
    gmac2412,

    I’m surprised he even got something for Luongo, that dude had negative value.

    Luongo as a goalie is still good enough, the contract was the killer. Still think he could have been more decisive with Luongo last year and kept Schneider.

    We still have to see how much of that contract VAN are eating. FLA always have had an internal cap, so it wouldn’t surprise me to see a fair chunk still sitting on VAN’s books…..

  70. Marcus Oilerius says:

    gmac2412,

    Rumor has it 15%.

  71. Jujhar says:

    yes this all depends on how much of the salary vancouver is eating. If its minimal, it will be the second time vancouver had fleeced Florida on a Luongo trade.

  72. gmac2412 says:

    Marcus Oilerius,

    Cheers Marcus – sometimes it just comes to you (though taking delight in Gillis’ screw up probably helped the creative juices a little!!).

  73. gmac2412 says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    gmac2412,

    Rumor has it 15%.

    So that would be around $1m a year off VAN’s cap then?

  74. Alsker says:

    Under the new CBA if sweet Lou retires/is bought out does only the cap hit gp to vancity or the $’s as well?

  75. gmac2412 says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    gmac2412,

    Rumor has it 15%.

    The Canucks are also sending minor leaguer Steven Anthony to Florida and will retain 15% of Luongo’s salary.

    As per TSN.ca

  76. gmac2412 says:

    Jujhar:
    yes this all depends on how much of the salary vancouver is eating.If its minimal, it will be the second time vancouver had fleeced Florida on a Luongo trade.

    Florida got fleeced the first time around, but they haven’t really given up much to get him back there really. Only time will tell if this turns into a terrible trade for them down the road.

  77. VanOil says:

    I am comfortable with the goalie situation for next year. This is a way better solution than taking a big swing on some one like Ward. The asset management and decisive action taken by MacT on the Goalie file this year has been excellent. Next file of note = Defence. Kulikov now or in the summer please.

    I am sad to see Matthias play for the Canucks. He will not turn the team around all by himself but he would of been a great fit on the Oilers.

  78. VanOil says:

    gmac2412:
    So Gillis turned Luongo and Schneider into Bo Horvat, Shawn Matthias and Jacob Markstrom (plus hearing rumours of salary being eaten by VAN).

    If that is the case, MacT suddenly looks like a genius in comparison!!

    Do not forget he also down graded his head coach significantly.

  79. godot10 says:

    slopitch:
    Scrivens and Fasth for 2 3rds and a 5th.Nice job MacT.

    Anaheim obtained Fasth for nothing. Toronto obtained Scrivens for nothing. Not even a draft pick. The price the Oilers paid is a low price, but the extra European goalie scout, and the overage free agent scout they hired defintiely fill a hole.

  80. gr8one says:

    godot10: Anaheim obtained Fasth for nothing.Toronto obtained Scrivens for nothing.Not even a draft pick.The price the Oilers paid is a low price, but the extra European goalie scout, and the overage free agent scout they hired defintiely fill a hole.

    The Oilers tried very hard to sign Fasth when he was available, it wasn’t a lack of scouting/interest issue, it was Fasth choosing not to sign here, same deal with Antti Raanta and Danny Dekeyser and who knows who else.

  81. Bag of Pucks says:

    What is it people like about Mattias? Vollman Sledgehammer shows him getting the tough QoC and Zone starts, but he’s not exactly pushing the river with the mins.

  82. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lots of cap space coming Van’s way with Luongo and possibly Kesler heading out.

    The Canucks would be in a good spot to kickstart a hybrid rebuild (ala the Leafs) if they were so inclined. Problem with a youth movement scenario there is how do you move the twins?

  83. The Great One says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    What is it people like about Mattias? Vollman Sledgehammer shows him getting the tough QoC and Zone starts, but he’s not exactly pushing the river with the mins.

    He’ll be a 3rd line C in Vancouver with Horvat slotted in at #2C when he is ready.

    I would also expect, if Kesler is moved, another C will be part of the return.

    As Philly is apparently the leading contender for Kesler, I would imagine Couturier and/or Brayden Schenn will be part of the equation.

    Sedin

    Horvat/Couturier/Schenn

    Matthias

    Richardson

    …is pretty good centre depth and addresses a long standing issue for the Canucks.

  84. Lloyd B. says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Lots of cap space coming Van’s way with Luongo and possibly Kesler heading out.

    The Canucks would be in a good spot to kickstart a hybrid rebuild (ala the Leafs) if they were so inclined. Problem with a youth movement scenario there is how do you move the twins?

    Two at a time

  85. Bank Shot says:

    The Great One:

    As Philly is apparently the leading contender for Kesler, I would imagine Couturier and/or Brayden Schenn will be part of the equation.

    That’s Canuck fan wishful thinking, :)

    Mattias is a plug and whoever the Canucks manage to land for Kesler will be a definite downgrade with less upside than you are wishing for.

  86. The Great One says:

    gmac2412: So that would be around $1m a year off VAN’s cap then?

    Vancouver saves over $2M in cap space by replacing Luongo with Matthias and Markstrom.

    Matthias has one more year at $1.75M then is UFA.

    Markstrom is signed at $1,2M for another season and then is RFA.

    Vancouver just got much younger and much cheaper.

    Who wins the deal will likely be the difference between the performance of a 34 year old Luongo and a 24 year old Markstrom in the years ahead.

  87. G Money says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    What is it people like about Mattias? Vollman Sledgehammer shows him getting the tough QoC and Zone starts, but he’s not exactly pushing the river with the mins.

    Stats are mediocre but he’s big and has “seen him good” on his side from Oiler fans, as he played very well against the Oilers. As so many large players seem to do. His 5×5 CF% in the two Oiler games were 71.4 and 62.5.

    Barring a sudden shocking upgrade in defensive size for the Oilers, now we get to watch him do that for the Nuckledraggers. Goodie.

  88. prairieschooner says:

    Tambi looking better today

  89. The Great One says:

    Bank Shot: That’s Canuck fan wishful thinking,

    Mattias is a plug and whoever the Canucks manage to land for Kesler will be a definite downgrade with less upside than you are wishing for.

    That an Oiler fans wishful thinking.

    Matthias is a big 26 year old 3rd line C with 312 NHL games on his resume.

    His counting numbers are pretty much the same as Boyd Gordon’s (except the face-offs) except he’s bigger, younger and half the price.

  90. Bag of Pucks says:

    Bank Shot: That’s Canuck fan wishful thinking,

    Mattias is a plug and whoever the Canucks manage to land for Kesler will be a definite downgrade with less upside than you are wishing for.

    Agreed. Markstrom’s a bit like Dubnyk – a long slow boil development curve with the player still struggling to match his draft pedigree. So a definite downgrade on Luongo. Hard pressed to see the team getting equal value for Kesler – they’ll probably have to take younger players back.

    If you’re Gillis, you’re hoping Lack can handle the reins now with Markstrom as a dark horse candidate down the road. Horvat & Mattias may be better than Kesler in time, but not now either. Of course, Kesler still denies the trade request. Who knows, maybe he couldn’t stand Luongo and all his drama?

    Interesting to see Van in ‘sellers’ mode at the deadline. Torts must be losing his mind.

  91. Ducey says:

    The Great One: He’ll be a 3rd line C in Vancouver with Horvat slotted in at #2C when he is ready.

    I would also expect, if Kesler is moved, another C will be part of the return.

    As Philly is apparently the leading contender for Kesler, I would imagine Couturier and/or Brayden Schenn will be part of the equation.

    Sedin

    Horvat/Couturier/Schenn

    Matthias

    Richardson

    …is pretty good centre depth and addresses a long standing issue for the Canucks.

    Yeah. Once they have a new GM, he might have something there. Of course he will need to get rid of the Sedins somehow.

    Gillis has taken a President’s Trophy, Stanley Cup finalist team in 2010 – 2011 and in three short years turned that into 2 first round exits and now a team not even capable of making the playoffs.

  92. OilClog says:

    prairieschooner:
    Tambi looking better today

    No, impossible.

    Gillis’s trade of Luongo shows he should not be in charge of anything. Why on earth trade Schneider? How the hell is Lack, last man standing.

    This guy inherited a top team and cut their feet off, then their knees, now the heads.

    They had 2 legit #1′s, now they have 0.

    Good grief

  93. icecastles says:

    Ducey: Gillis has taken a President’s Trophy, Stanley Cup finalist team in 2010 – 2011 and in three short years turned that into 2 first round exits and now a team not even capable of making the playoffs.

    What a pussy. Lowe managed it in one season.

  94. AZOIL says:

    icecastles: What a pussy. Lowe managed it in one season.

    LOL

  95. admiralmark says:

    The Great One says:

    He’ll be a 3rd line C in Vancouver with Horvat slotted in at #2C when he is ready.

    I would also expect, if Kesler is moved, another C will be part of the return.

    As Philly is apparently the leading contender for Kesler, I would imagine Couturier and/or Brayden Schenn will be part of the equation.

    Sedin

    Horvat/Couturier/Schenn

    Matthias

    Richardson

    …is pretty good centre depth and addresses a long standing issue for the Canucks.

    There’s a huge difference between and/or in your statement. if Canucks get both I would be shocked and that would be a phenominal return for Gillis. I have a hard time believing the rest of the GM’s in the league don’t know the long gaps in production from kesler and his propensity to be injured all the time? But maybe there’s one sucked GM out there that will sell the farm for him?

  96. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Nucks are a really weird situation…

    But it’s worth recalling that Lack provided a safety net for either Lu or Schneids in the Summer just as Eriksson provides a nice cushion for Lack.

    Cannatta doesn’t look like much mind you.

    I’m sure that made the deal easier to make. Still a strange situation. Gillis may be one of the more impulsive GMs in the NHL.

  97. RexLibris says:

    Chicago gets Rundblad for a 2nd rounder.

    Given some of the talk of either Hemsky or Cammalleri going to Phoenix, this seems like a set up to acquire assets.

    So Phoenix turned Kyle Turris, a 3rd overall pick, into a 2nd round pick and Antoine Vermette seven years later.

    Wow.

  98. Bank Shot says:

    The Great One: That an Oiler fans wishful thinking.

    Matthias is a big 26 year old 3rd line C with 312 NHL games on his resume.

    His counting numbers are pretty much the same as Boyd Gordon’s (except the face-offs) except he’s bigger, younger and half the price.

    Matthias was a third line player in Florida just like David Booth was a second line player. Good luck with that. ;)

    The fact is that Vancouver has just gotten much worse. Markstrom has done nothing at the NHL level. Mattias is miles away from being an impact player.

    Luongo is a top goaltender.

    Gillis just got two guys that Dale Tallon who you have been praising nonstop for the last couple of years has deemed expendable to his own rebuild. That must feel great.

  99. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Nucks are a really weird situation…But it’s worth recalling that Lack provided a safety net for either Lu or Schneids in the Summer just as Eriksson provides a nice cushion for Lack.Cannatta doesn’t look like much mind you. I’m sure that made the deal easier to make. Still a strange situation. Gillis may be one of the more impulsive GMs in the NHL.

    Gillis on one coast. Snow on the other.

  100. FPB94 says:

    David Rundblad has been on 4 teams in 50 NHL games. Seems odd for a kid who played really well in the AHL last year.

  101. Ducey says:

    icecastles: What a pussy. Lowe managed it in one season.

    There are comparisons, but of course the Oilers just snuck into the playoffs and made an improbable run. The Canucks looked to be a perennial power.

  102. Bag of Pucks says:

    Man this team is going to have some serious cap space in the offseason. With Hemmer gone tomorrow, and likely Gagner in the offseason, all that’s offseting these salary departures is a reasonable raise for Petry and a bridge deal for J Schultz.

    With that in mind, is there any reason this team can’t be a serious player for Paul Stastny?

    By the way, lest we doubt how tightly other clubs are clinging to their Top 4 defenseman, check out the detritus that is this year’s UFA D crops

    http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents/?year_id=2014&team_id=-1&position_id=D&fa_type_id=2

    Brutal. No fixes there. I’ll take a Klefbom with a Nurse chaser please.

  103. Ben says:

    So pumped! Just three and a half hours left until Ales Hemsky dislocates both shoulders playing in a completely meaningless game!

  104. AZOIL says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Man this team is going to have some serious cap space in the offseason. With Hemmer gone tomorrow, and likely Gagner in the offseason, all that’s offseting these salary departures is a reasonable raise for Petry and a bridge deal for J Schultz.

    With that in mind, is there any reason this team can’t be a serious player for Paul Stastny?

    By the way, lest we doubt how tightly other clubs are clinging to their Top 4 defenseman, check out the detritus that is this year’s UFA D crops

    http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents/?year_id=2014&team_id=-1&position_id=D&fa_type_id=2

    Brutal. No fixes there. I’ll take a Klefbom with a Nurse chaser please.

    Yes that list of UFA D is depressing to look at and makes me wonder what the hell they are going to do? Bring the Farm D up and hope and dream? There has to be a D out there that is young and is being held back by better more experienced D that we can try and trade for? Not sure who but that UFA list is depressing!!!!

    Or go after a cash strapped team like Phx or Florida or Nashville for their star that wants to get paid big bucks!

  105. icecastles says:

    Ducey: the Oilers just snuck into the playoffs and made an improbable run. The Canucks looked to be a perennial power.

    Not going to rehash this notion that the Oilers run was entirely “unexpected”: I think it’s been roundly debunked on here enough times.

    The notion of the Canucks being a perennial power though, I will disagree with here. Their apparent dominance came largely from who their divisional opponents were, and their cupboards have been bare for a few years in an effort to win the Stanley Cup. they were a very good team, but I don’t think they were as good as those Presidents Trophies made them look, and their eventual fall was anticipated.

    What wasn’t anticipated was how thoroughly Gillis would manage to screw up the goaltending situation and in so doing, accelerate the team’s fall.

  106. Bank Shot says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Man this team is going to have some serious cap space in the offseason. With Hemmer gone tomorrow, and likely Gagner in the offseason, all that’s offseting these salary departures is a reasonable raise for Petry and a bridge deal for J Schultz.

    With that in mind, is there any reason this team can’t be a serious player for Paul Stastny?

    By the way, lest we doubt how tightly other clubs are clinging to their Top 4 defenseman, check out the detritus that is this year’s UFA D crops

    http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents/?year_id=2014&team_id=-1&position_id=D&fa_type_id=2

    Brutal. No fixes there. I’ll take a Klefbom with a Nurse chaser please.

    There are some good players there. Dan Boyle is still better than any defenceman the Oilers have. Guys like Orpik, Phillips, Markov, Morris, Tallinder, Mitchell would all help the Oilers.

    Getting a couple of vets on 1-2 year contracts would be good.

    Anyone that can push the Klefbom’s, Nurse’s, Belov’s and other incompetents off the roster makes the Oilers better next season.

  107. The Great One says:

    icecastles: Not going to rehash this notion that the Oilers run was entirely “unexpected”: I think it’s been roudly debunked on here enough times.

    The notion of the Canucks being a perennial power though, I will disagree with here. Their apparent dominance came largely from who their divisional opponents were, and their cupboards have been bare for a few years in an effort to win the Stanley Cup. they were a very good team, but I don’t think they were as good as those Presidents Trophies made them look, and their eventual fall was anticipated.

    What wasn’t anticipated was how thoroughly Gillis would manage to screw up the goaltending situation and in so doing, accelerate the team’s fall.

    Luongo – .914

    Lack – .924

    A risk worth taking IMO.

  108. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bank Shot: Anyone that can push the Klefbom’s, Nurse’s, Belov’s and other incompetents off the roster makes the Oilers better next season.

    plurals not possessives.

  109. The Great One says:

    Strombone ‏@strombone1 2m
    And on another note me and Tiny Tim are gonna rip it up the rest of the year!!!!!!! #dreamteam

  110. The Great One says:

    Strombone ‏@strombone1 7m
    And take good care of my boy Eddie Lack for me. He’s a great talent and an even better person!

  111. The Great One says:

    TEAM Radio ‏@TEAM1040 13m

    Gillis; We just felt strongly that we needed the courage to re-tool this team and get younger and free up space to bring a new complexion

    TEAM Radio ‏@TEAM1040 11m
    Gillis: We’ve taken a lot of phone calls about a number of different possibilities. We’re going to continue taking phone calls and offers

  112. Bank Shot says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: plurals not possessives.

    Prospects punt points into the pond.

    Sign vets.

    Keep Marincin out of the top two pairings.

  113. The Great One says:

    mc79hockey ‏@mc79hockey 2m

    Serious non-schadenfreude take on the Luongo deal: If Gillis had been hired yesterday, everyone would think this made a lot of sense for VAN

    mc79hockey ‏@mc79hockey 2m
    They look to be in a bit of a fallow period, they’ve got a guy in Lack who looks really promising, Luongo’s contract sucks, Luongo is…

    mc79hockey ‏@mc79hockey 1m
    …almost 35…all of those are great reasons to make that trade.

  114. VanOil says:

    Interesting circle on Luongo. Bertuzzi who Florida trade for in the first trade was swapped to Detroit Matthias who they traded back for Luongo.

  115. Rondo says:

    The Great One,

    The problem with Kesler is never healthy enough to play a season and the playoffs. He does not make players around him better on the offensive side. He is a 1-man wrecking machine.

    Don’t think he can keep that style up for many more years.

  116. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: plurals not possessives.

    But you must admit that all three possess a plurality of positives for those professing a preference for puck possession.

  117. The Great One says:

    VanOil:
    Interesting circle on Luongo. Bertuzzi who Florida trade for in the first trade was swapped to Detroit Matthias who they traded back for Luongo.

    Another interesting footnote:

    Lack and Markstrom were team mates on Brynas in the SEL.

  118. The Great One says:

    Rondo:
    The Great One,

    The problem with Keslerisnever healthy enough to play a season and the playoffs.He does not make players around him better on the offensive side.He is a 1-man wrecking machine.

    Don’t think he can keep that styleup for many more years.

    That would seem like a very good reason to trade him :)

  119. RexLibris says:

    The Great One: Another interesting footnote:

    Lack and Markstrom were team mates on Brynas in the SEL.

    And both their names have “a” as the second letter and “k” as the fourth.

    This is getting spooky!

  120. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    You can see what Gillis is doing here: betting that 1 of Lack, Markstrom and Eriksson turns into a true #1. Pretty good odds there.

    The problem really is just the way he goes about business. If he had accepted an offer on Lou last year or the year before he could have guaranteed himself a true #1 in Schneids right now.

  121. The Great One says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    You can see what Gillis is doing here: betting that 1 of Lack, Markstrom and Eriksson turns into a true #1. Pretty good odds there.

    The problem really is just the way he goes about business. If he had accepted an offer on Lou last year or the year before he could have guaranteed himself a true #1 in Schneids right now.

    The only strong offer he had last season was from Toronto and Luongo wouldn’t waive his NTC to go there.

    Rock/Hard Place

  122. The Great One says:

    RexLibris: And both their names have “a” as the second letter and “k” as the fourth.

    This is getting spooky!

    Aren’t all Swedish names spelled that way?
    :)

  123. The Great One says:

    Blake Price ‏@blakeprice1040 2m

    The TVA guys are saying the Ducks are in on Kesler, but I just can’t imagine it.. Soooo… He’s likely a Duck!

    As an aside…Lavoie at TVA has been killing this trade deadline…breaking the Luongo deal among others.

    Luongo’s agent is Pat Brisson and I expect that is his source.

  124. The Great One says:

    Retweeted by Blake Price
    Louis Jean ‏@LouisJean_TVA 1m

    Told the #Canucks would consider trading Kesler to Western Conf team. #Ducks have all the assets (players, prospects, picks).

  125. The Great One says:

    Retweeted by mc79hockey
    The Moose ‏@woundedmoose 5m

    @mc79hockey dreger tweeted today TOR offer last year was scrivens and a 1st + VAN has to retain $1mm pa. Looks like VAN did better today

  126. The Great One says:

    Retweeted by Hope_Smoke
    Willy Palov ‏@CH_WillyPalov 6m

    Jonathan Drouin after two periods – 1G, 5A, +7.

  127. RexLibris says:

    The Great One: Aren’t all Swedish names spelled that way?

    http://www.ikea.com/ca/en/search/?query=LACK

    Looks like.

    Throw an “i” at the end and he’s Finnish, automatic .020 increase in save percentage.

  128. Melman says:

    Ray Ferraro ‏@rayferrarotsn 2h

    Couldn’t imagine that Vanc would have neither Luongo or Schneider in 10 months and have Horvat, Mattias(career best 14g) Markstrom as return

  129. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    The Great One: The only strong offer he had last season was from Toronto and Luongo wouldn’t waive his NTC to go there.

    Rock/Hard Place

    We vaguely know this. maybe.

  130. Mesmer says:

    The Great One,

    Not sure where you get that number, but then again I don’t really get left coast math. You are forgetting about the 15% the Canucks are taking back of Luongo’s salary and cap. Lous cap hit is $4,533,333., meaning the “Nucks eat $680,000 of his cap space. Add that to the others, and you get a cap savings of $900,000 for Gillis. Not insignificant, but nothing that will allow them to go whale hunting in free agency.

    When I was down in Florida last months I heard rumblings of real concern for Markstrom. There seemed to be concern that Markstrom was not really progressing. They were ready to hand him the starting role last year already, but he never stepped up and earned it. When he failed to grab the starting job from a 40 year old Tim Thomas, and furthermore failed to unseat Scott Clemenson as the back-up, the red flags went up. The trade would seem to indicate that after watching him closely this season they were okay with the risk of giving up on him.

    Mattias is a UFA in 20 games. If Gillis doesn’t get him signed, this deal could look bad in a hurry.

  131. RexLibris says:

    The Great One:
    Retweeted by Blake PriceLouis Jean ‏@LouisJean_TVA1m

    Told the #Canucks would consider trading Kesler to Western Conf team. #Ducks have all the assets (players, prospects, picks).

    Sure. Kesler to the Ducks? Why don’t we just rename the 2003 draft the Anaheim Ducks draft. They just need Suter and Weber and they’d have the whole collection.

  132. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Remember how I was talking about getting ahead of draft curves yesterday:

    Retweeted by HockeyProspect.com
    Mark Edwards ‏@MarkEdwardsHP 22m
    . @NikolajEhlers24 has his 3rd straight hat trick. This is a recording…. #2014NHLDraft

    Question is still going to be: size and who’s zooming who?

  133. icecastles says:

    RexLibris: They just need Suter and Weber and they’d have the whole collection.

    Just sick how good that draft was.

    Trying to recall which star the Oilers took.. Oh yeah… fuck I hate being an Oilers fan sometimes.

  134. RexLibris says:

    icecastles: Just sick how good that draft was.

    Trying to recall which star the Oilers took.. Oh yeah… fuck I hate being an Oilers fan sometimes.

    At least they didn’t take a Huge Specimen.

    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=11748

    That was Tom Renney’s draft pick.

  135. The Great One says:

    Mesmer:
    The Great One,

    Not sure where you get that number, but then again I don’t really get left coast math. You are forgetting about the 15% the Canucks are taking back ofLuongo’s salary and cap. Lous cap hit is $4,533,333., meaning the “Nucks eat $680,000 of his cap space. Add that to the others, and you get a cap savings of $900,000 for Gillis.Not insignificant, but nothing that will allow them to go whale hunting in free agency.

    When I was down in Florida last months I heard rumblings of real concern for Markstrom. There seemed to be concern that Markstrom was not really progressing. They were ready to hand him the starting role last year already, but he never stepped up and earned it. When he failed to grab the starting job from a 40 year old Tim Thomas, and furthermore failed to unseat Scott Clemenson as the back-up, the red flags went up. The trade would seem to indicate that after watching him closely this season they were okay with the risk of giving up on him.

    Mattias is a UFA in 20 games. If Gillis doesn’t get him signed, this deal could look bad in a hurry.

    Matthias has another year on his deal at $1.75M…so 102 games.

    And it sounds like he’s thrilled to be going to Vancouver.

    Retweeted by Jeff Paterson
    Jim Jamieson ‏@JamiesonCanucks 37m

    Shawn Mattias: “I’m just really excited to get started and be a part of this team. This is awesome. This is a great day.”

  136. Lowetide says:

    I’m moving the GDT back to the top.

  137. RexLibris says:

    Erat and Mitchell to Phoenix for Brown, Klesla and a 4th.

    So no Hemsky to the Desert Dogs for Samuelsson, then?

    *sigh*

  138. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    I’m moving the GDT back to the top.

    I was wondering how this was going to work. A GDT not top billing? The Fasth-Train article getting hits? So confused!

  139. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    mc79hockey ‏@mc79hockey 49m
    I guess the real issue for me is that they didn’t just bite the bullet last year when the Leafs were knocking on the door.

    James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 49m
    @mc79hockey Lot of talk Luongo wouldn’t have waived NTC to come to Leafs

    James Duthie ‏@tsnjamesduthie 5m
    @mirtle @mc79hockey not true

    Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 3m
    @tsnjamesduthie @mirtle @mc79hockey Always believed that trade was too complex to pull off in 10 mins before the deadline

    mc79hockey ‏@mc79hockey 3m
    @FriedgeHNIC If it wasn’t Lu holding it up, I think it’s fair to kind of think VAN completely blew this. @tsnjamesduthie @mirtle
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  140. prairieschooner says:

    LT Your comment about Scrivens the other day about him being on HNIC and using 11 really big words was excellent I was driving at the time and just kept repeating it and laughing . A tip of the hockey helmet to you sir.

  141. Lois Lowe says:

    Vancouver sports radio is like a eulogy to relevance this afternoon. The radio guys are trying to convince themselves that they can get younger and still be a top team in the west.

  142. theres oil in virginia says:

    icecastles: Just sick how good that draft was.

    Trying to recall which star the Oilers took.. Oh yeah… fuck I hate being an Oilers fan sometimes.

    Who was that again? If I just had a hint.

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