OILERS SIGN SCRIVENS

Ben Scrivens can stop pucks. In any NHL city, that makes him magic. In Edmonton, that makes him a witch. Scrivens current save-percentage for the Oilers is .940 over seven games. Playing in front of a ragtag bunch of defenders who at times resemble the Python “race for people with no sense of direction” skit is Herculean.

Scrivens, who visually personifies the phrase “mild-mannered” when in street clothes, is a helluva goaltender. Canadians don’t know much about goaltenders, except that we don’t know much about them and we’re screwed if our NHL team doesn’t have one. Scrivens is the most popular man in Edmonton today, he’s signed and willing to stand in front of Sharks, Kings, Ducks, Trains and Planes and Automobiles. Secretly, we think he’s crazy but he’s really smart and has an excellent vocabulary so maybe we can find him a teaching job in Morinville after the hockey ends.

A GOOD MOVE BY MACT

A lot has gone wrong this season, but the deal for Scrivens and now the contract are on the plus side of MacT’s ledger. The pick (currently 92nd) is probably years from helping and that’s if the player makes it. Edmonton should make that kind of deal all day.

I count this as MacT’s third playoff-quality addition to the roster since summer:

  • Added C Boyd Gordon as a free agent
  • Deal for L David Perron
  • Acquired and then signed Scrivens

Added to Marincin’s callup that makes four areas of clear improvement. Question: how many solid moves per year does a GM have to make in order for his non-playoff team to become a playoff team? Adding these three to the #1 overalls and other draft pick/trade additions who are onside, Edmonton looks like this for 2014-15:

  • Goal: Scrivens
  • Defense: Petry, J Schultz, Marincin
  • Center: RNH,  Gordon
  • Left Wing: Hall, Yakupov
  • Right Wing: Eberle, Perron

How many more playoff-calibre moves does MacT need to make this summer?

(Scrivens deal is $2.3M times two, a solid signing)

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  1. Glock9 says:

    A “Solid Signing” for sure !!! Down side is low and the upside is HUGE !!! Kudo’s to MacT. Totally agree with you that Perron, Gordon and now Scrivens are 3 very nice additions!!

    Still believe the Eakins move is going to undernine everything MacT does though…

  2. whale says:

    Hate to see him go but if Hemsky goes for a 3rd, it’s like trading Hemsky for Scrivens. That not too bad.

  3. WeirsBeard says:

    Good signing, even if he doesn’t improve on his NHL performance to date.

    How many moves? Well, if we are talking playoffs, then two. Two defensemen better than those listed in your upcoming lineup. That goes along with smart bets elsewhere of course, like having hockey players throughout the lineup and avoiding angry hairy men who make a lot of noise but are stick-optional.

  4. Ducey says:

    Scrivens contract number is pretty good. Ben Bishop signed the same deal except his first year was a RFA year. To get two UFA years at $2.3 M per is nice.

    I’d add Hendricks for DD (who hit waivers today) as a pretty good deal too.

    I also like the Gazdik waiver pick up. He his doing well in the face punching category (continued the long tradition of hamming the Flames tough guy) and I think he has some upside.

  5. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Let’s see if MacT keeps to form by making a ridiculous offer for an aging player about to go off the cliff. In the summer, it was Clarkson. Now I hear it’s Markov.

  6. RexLibris says:

    If MacTavish can make two moves a year like the Perron and Scrivens’ trades, then the organization should be able to withstand one or two low-cost Mark Fraser trades without significant backsliding.

    The Magic Marconi box today was telling me that Fraser McLaren is on waivers. It then went on to ponder if the Oilers would claim him due to the Marlies-Eakins connection.

    McLaren, Gazdic, Hendricks…

    Suspect though, that if the Oilers let him go by, Burke in Calgary doesn’t. Especially if Westgarth is feeling the ill-effects of Saturday night.

  7. BG14 says:

    That’s a decent group of 10 players there, the forwards are too young and one-dimensional overall, but that will improve with time and I do believe that currently they could be a playoff-calibre group of 6. There are a few guys we have that can fill in the bottom 6 as well I think (Lander, Hendricks, Smyth). I think MacT needs to add a centreman that can recover the puck and help out down low for the top 9 (honestly, a second Gordon would be perfect, I don’t think pure offensive skills are required for this position) as well as two middle six wingers to play with Gordon or the previously mentioned centre.

    The real issue is on defense. Marincin, Petry and Schultz. Where do those three realistically fit in on a playoff team? 3-4-5? 2-3-5 at best I would say. Edmonton needs a top pairing blueliner. 23+ minutes all situations every night. Two would be ideal, albeit unrealistic.

    Nuge, XXX, Gordon, Lander
    Hall, Perron, XXX, Smyth
    Eberle, Yakupov, XXX, Hendricks
    Pitlick/Horak?

    XXX, Petry, Schultz, XXX, Marincin, Ference, Belov/Fedun/Klefbom

    Scrivens, XXX

    6 pretty big holes to fill, and I think ideally you fill the extra D/forward slots with vets that aren’t a risk of drowning if they needs to step up a slot or two due to injuries/ineffectiveness.

    MacT has his work cut out for him.

  8. G Money says:

    “How many more playoff-calibre moves does MacT need to make this summer?”

    To do what? To be a contender to at least make the playoffs, or to be a genuine Cup contender?

    To have a shot at the playoffs:

    The answer is 3 ah ah ah THREE playoff-calibre moves.

    A top pairing defender to join the three you mention. Will have to limp along in the bottom pairing another year.
    A 3L or 3R the same class of defensive stalwart as Gordon, with a fill-in of some kind on the other wing. At least enough to allow this line not to be destroyed every night.
    A 4R who can play the game. That’s assuming Hendricks and Gazdics are a lock for this line. So the best you can hope for is like #3, a line that won’t get utterly destroyed night after night. Face punching a bonus.

    But even those three moves come with a lot of IFs for the playoffs to be a realistic target.

    IF Yakupov can truly find his game and play like a real 1R/2R, and
    IF RNH can put on 10 lbs and find his mojo enough to put up 1ish ppg and be a Corsi plus player, and
    IF one of Klefbom/Nurse/Fedun etc. can improve enough to be a capable third pairing defender …

    To be a Cup contender? Another two moves: a big capable two-way 2C, another top pairing defender, and another third line winger allowing the third line to actually be a net positive. You say that’s three moves? No, because I’m assuming that one of the first two will come via the draft (or a trade of that pick).

    Still a long way to the promised land.

    I still don’t know if the story of this team is Sisyphus or Ozymandias.

  9. theres oil in virginia says:

    Ducey: I’d add Hendricks for DD (who hit waivers today) as a pretty good deal too.
    I also like the Gazdik waiver pick up. He his doing well in the face punching category (continued the long tradition of hamming the Flames tough guy) and I think he has some upside.

    My thoughts exactly. I thought I might be the only one thinking this.

  10. book¡je says:

    I am really happy to see the Scrivens signing for two reasons. The first is that he could be a really great goalie.

    Perhaps more importantly for me is that it gives me a bit of hope. By his free will, Scrivens, who has an inside view of the Oilers (i.e. he knows way more about the team and coach than any of us), chose to spend the next 2.25 years playing for the Oilers.

    I understand the incentive for him to do so is big, but still, it suggests that there is some hope.

  11. RexLibris says:

    For fun, I ran Gazdic, Hendricks, Clarkson, McLaren, Jackman, McGrattan, Clutterbuck, Clifford, King and Bickell through the Vollman Sledgehammer.

    Gazdic is the second lowest of the group at -2 Qualcomp CorsiRel with a slight O-zone push. In the range of Jackman and McGrattan. These three just underwater compared to the majority of the pack.

    McLaren was down at -5 in Qualcomp with a slight def-zone edge. Way below the rest of the group.

    The others are just underwater…McLaren is hanging with Cthulu.

  12. Mr DeBakey says:

    How many more playoff-calibre moves does MacT need to make this summer?

    Marc Arco Bello, currently residing in Oklahoma, says Hi.

  13. godot10 says:

    //I count this as MacT’s third playoff-quality addition to the roster since summer:
    Added C Boyd Gordon as a free agent
    Deal for L David Perron
    Acquired and then signed Scrivens//

    Third playoff-quality additions, but MacT has made far more moves that take the Oilers in the reverse direction away from the playoffs, which negate or make irrelevant these moves.

    By the time the OIlers are playoff competitive, Gordon and Perron will be too expensive to re-sign, and will require replacements.

    The Gordon acquistion was negated by the bad decision to trade Horcoff.
    The Perron acquisiton was negated by the bad decision to change the coach, and the failure to fix the defense. Perron will be a $7 million dollar player as a UFA, which means that Yakupov (or Eberle) will have to be gone in order to sign Perron to a new deal in two years.

    A good GM has to make 2 good moves for every bad move. MacT has made about 1 good move fore every two bad moves.

  14. theres oil in virginia says:

    RexLibris,

    One thing I’ve noticed from watching Gazdic, is that sometimes his line can keep possession in the o-zone for a good bit of time, but fail to get a shot. I attribute it to marginal skill level, but the point is that this type of possession won’t show up in the positive shot-attempt-metrics. He’s still a bit of an adventure in the d-zone, but he’s not alone there. All-in-all, he’s a marginal player, but he’s better than Brown, et al, and he’s shown signs of improvement.

  15. theres oil in virginia says:

    godot10: but MacT has made far more moves that take the Oilers in the reverse direction away from the playoffs

    None of which you list here.

  16. RexLibris says:

    godot10,

    I think you overvalue Perron a bit here.

    Also, trading Horcoff allowed the team to sign Gordon. Conversely, keeping Horcoff would have prevented the team from acquiring Gordon. Therefore this move is better considered as a trade that brought in a younger, and somewhat more defensively effective, version of the previous player.

    I agree that there will need to be far more positive moves than negative because of the vulnerable position from which this roster is beginning. However, if the team gets the impact deals right and only screws up on an occasional marginal player deal (Mark Fraser, for instance, or the MacIntyre pickup) then the ledger should be in the black relatively soon.

    As for coaching, I think we need to put that somewhere in the spectrum of fan knowledge between skater evaluation and goaltending. We know more about coaching (schemes, deployment, strategies, matchups, so on) than we do goaltending (voodoo and freemasonry for all intents and purposes) but less than we do when it comes to forwards and defensemen with puck possession and scoring against competition.

  17. godot10 says:

    theres oil in virginia: None of which you list here.

    1) Whispering in Katz’s ear to overrule the scouts and pick Yakupov.
    2) Trading Horcoff
    3) Changing the coach
    4) Signing Gresbeshkov rather than Gilbert or Hainsey.
    5) Not re-signing Hartikainen
    6) Signing Ryan Jones
    7) Not replacing Buchberger and Smith
    8) Not replacing any of the pro scouts
    10) Trading Smid, an actual NHL defensemen, for an ECHL goaltender and a 2nd tier forward
    prospect.
    11) Two-year NHL contracts to Ryan Hamilton and Will Acton. AHL veterans should never get more than one
    12) Claiming Steve MacIntyre on waivers

  18. RexLibris says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    RexLibris,

    One thing I’ve noticed from watching Gazdic, is that sometimes his line can keep possession in the o-zone for a good bit of time, but fail to get a shot.I attribute it to marginal skill level, but the point is that this type of possession won’t show up in the positive shot-attempt-metrics.He’s still a bit of an adventure in the d-zone, but he’s not alone there.All-in-all, he’s a marginal player, but he’s better than Brown, et al, and he’s shown signs of improvement.

    Yeah.

    I had said a short while ago that I had noticed significant improvement in Gazdic’s puck pursuit and general offensive zone awareness since the start of the season. He isn’t Bob Probert but he is a step up on MacIntyre.

    He’s young, eager and coachable. As I mentioned in the previous thread, he matches reasonably well with McGrattan and Jackman right now, so perhaps another season will see him reach his ceiling – likely slightly south of George Parros/Brandon Prust territory, but it means the Oilers don’t need to spend time and money (or god forbid picks and roster assets) chasing a knuckle-dragger.

  19. Ribs says:

    How many more playoff-calibre moves does MacT need to make this summer?

    Around nine. lol.

  20. bucknuck says:

    I’m wondering why adding Ference doesn’t register on your playoff calibre players chart?

  21. godot10 says:

    RexLibris:
    godot10,

    I think you overvalue Perron a bit here.

    Also, trading Horcoff allowed the team to sign Gordon. Conversely, keeping Horcoff would have prevented the team from acquiring Gordon. Therefore this move is better considered as a trade that brought in a younger, and somewhat more defensively effective, version of the previous player.

    I agree that there will need to be far more positive moves than negative because of the vulnerable position from which this roster is beginning. However, if the team gets the impact deals right and only screws up on an occasional marginal player deal (Mark Fraser, for instance, or the MacIntyre pickup) then the ledger should be in the black relatively soon.

    As for coaching, I think we need to put that somewhere in the spectrum of fan knowledge between skater evaluation and goaltending. We know more about coaching (schemes, deployment, strategies, matchups, so on) than we do goaltending (voodoo and freemasonry for all intents and purposes) but less than we do when it comes to forwards and defensemen with puck possession and scoring against competition.

    The Oilers would have had a third line of Gordon centering Horcoff on left wing, and Hemsky on right.

    One could have kept Horcoff by not signing Jones and Grebeshkov.

    Signing Gordon was irrelevant to any decision regarding Horcoff.

    And as for Perron, Semin signed for $7 million. In two year, Perron will likely get that easy. 1st line guys like Perry and Kessel are getting $8.5.

    Perron is likely an elite 2nd line forward who can play either wing or a below average 1st line forward.

  22. Lowetide says:

    Jim Matheson ‏@NHLbyMatty 4h

    Anton Belov who was certainly trade bait as ufa def out 2 wks or more with oblique muscle tear. Teams might enquire on corey potter.#

  23. Lowetide says:

    bucknuck:
    I’m wondering why adding Ference doesn’t register on your playoff calibre players chart?

    Ference has not helped this season. He is miscast in the top 4D and I think he might be injured but playing currently

  24. Jasmine says:

    godot10: 1) Whispering in Katz’s ear to overrule the scouts and pick Yakupov.
    2) Trading Horcoff
    3) Changing the coach
    4) Signing Gresbeshkov rather than Gilbert or Hainsey.
    5) Not re-signing Hartikainen
    6) Signing Ryan Jones
    7) Not replacing Buchberger and Smith
    8) Not replacing any of the pro scouts
    10) Trading Smid, an actual NHL defensemen,for an ECHL goaltender and a 2nd tier forward
    prospect.
    11) Two-year NHL contracts to Ryan Hamilton and Will Acton.AHL veterans should never get more than one
    12) Claiming Steve MacIntyre on waivers

    1. Yakupov was ranked #1 and Oilers drafted the right player. Defense take longer to develop than offense. Had Oilers drafted Murray, Oilers fans would have murdered management.
    2. Horcoff was run out by Oilers fans and Horcoff wanted out as a result.
    3. A new GM wants his own coach. Besides, Krueger coached European style and didn’t want team to fight and benched players who fought.
    4. Gilbert was run out of town by Oilers fans and wouldn’t sign in Edmonton.
    5. Hartkainen wanted a one-way deal and didn’t prove he deserved one.
    6. No one wants to sign in Edmonton and that’s why Ryan Jones was signed.
    7. Coaches don’t want to be assistant coaches in Edmonton and would rather be coach since Oilers have had 5 coaches in 6 years.
    8. Can’t blame the pro scouts when Oilers fans have a habit of running players out of town and players won’t sign in Edmnton or have Edmonton on the list of teams not to get traded to.
    10. Smid is overrated and wanted out of Edmonton and most likely asked for a trade.
    11. Once again Oilers are stuck signing players that no one else wants.
    12. Claiming Smack didn’t cost anything.

    Oilers fans consistently running players and coaches out of town is why players, coaches and assistant coaches avoid Edmonton.

  25. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Ference fits the mould of Oilers captains of the last 20+ years depressingly well. Modestly talented, very driven, gritty, and playing in a secondary or tertiary role. Doug Weight and the mistake from 1995 were the only exceptions to that.

    Maybe it’s time we get a skilled captain. I’m also leaning towards Nuge, rather than Hall and his tantrums.

  26. Bad Seed says:

    Jasmine,

    You’re just a ray of sunshine, aren’t you?

  27. The Great One says:

    Bad Seed:
    Jasmine,

    You’re just a ray of sunshine, aren’t you?

    It’s all Slats’ fault. :)

  28. Captain Smarmy says:

    Bad Seed,

    Jasmine is a terrible ON pos(t)er.

    As for Scrivens. Yay!

  29. theres oil in virginia says:

    godot10: 1) Whispering in Katz’s ear to overrule the scouts and pick Yakupov.
    2) Trading Horcoff
    3) Changing the coach
    4) Signing Gresbeshkov rather than Gilbert or Hainsey.
    5) Not re-signing Hartikainen
    6) Signing Ryan Jones
    7) Not replacing Buchberger and Smith
    8) Not replacing any of the pro scouts
    10) Trading Smid, an actual NHL defensemen,for an ECHL goaltender and a 2nd tier forward
    prospect.
    11) Two-year NHL contracts to Ryan Hamilton and Will Acton.AHL veterans should never get more than one
    12) Claiming Steve MacIntyre on waivers

    So, these are moves that put the Oilers farther away from the playoffs?

    1) Rumor, and wow, already we’re over Yak. Don’t count me in that crowd.
    2) Probably a mistake short term, but I think consensus is that it was a good way to shed the contract.
    3) Contrary to your (not popular) belief, Krueger’s Oilers were no screaming hell.
    4) Grebeshkov was a no-risk deal. Would Gilbert ever come back? Don’t know about Hainsey.
    5) Hartikainen is not an NHL player. (Neither is Fraser.)
    6) Signing Ryan Jones has had no negative effect on anything except Woodguy’s blood pressure.
    7) Contrary to some, I don’t think the asst coaches are the reason the Oilers suck. He wanted some continuity and he got it by keeping the assts. (If you’re using this post as a stepping stone to re-re-re-re-re-rehash the Eakins hiring, I won’t bite. Maybe Bookje will.
    8) I’m in no position to comment on the pro-scouts, other than to say whoever suggested acquiring POS should be driven to the north pole…and left there.
    9) What, no 9? Are you embellishing?
    10) Smid has been on a downward course for some time, and from what I hear, that hasn’t changed in Calgary. I like Smid, but I wasn’t too sad to see him go. A little time will tell if that was a good trade, but I don’t agree that Smid’s value would necessarily be higher now (deadline). He’s not playing well and he’s not a rental for the buyer.
    11) Agree. I just don’t think those mistakes hurt that much.
    12) So losing one 50-man roster spot is the kiss of death? Big deal.

    The mistakes he’s made are like paper cuts, but you portray them like they’re the Texas chainsaw massacre.

  30. DeadmanWaking says:

    godot10:
    4) Signing Gresbeshkov rather than Gilbert or Hainsey.

    Because what every professional hockey player aspires to is playing in front of a home crowd where 10,000 separate conversations spring up between dog and pretzel passing strangers–unified in a shared civic mission–earnestly dissecting your manhood.

    Twice over.

    In the interests of brevity, I won’t give the rest of your list the twice over.

    Generally your other items are a smoking gun if the incompetence of the management team functions as an input to your conclusion about the incompetence of the management team.

  31. Bad Seed says:

    Captain Smarmy,

    Good thing Scrivens doesn’t read Jasmine’s posts…

  32. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I’ve been twittering about 2014 draft eligible goalie Thatcher Demko.

    Future Considerations has him at 13 today, which is very high relative to where the other scouting services have him.

    Something I thought you all might find interesting is that the man who had Fucale ranked 9th OV last year, doesn’t even have him in his top 90:

    http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

    caveats: scouting is a relative business obviously. Scouting goalies is nutty.

    And yet, Button really seems to beat his own drum some times.

  33. Glock9 says:

    Jasmine,

    Jasmine,,,if youu had a choice you would change the entire fan base wouldn’t you :)

  34. Captain Smarmy says:

    I’m wondering where CO is to lay down the law on Jasmine regarding the fans having any sort of power on sending players out of town.

    Jasmine thinks the Oiler fanbase can jettison good players out of town but has no power to:

    1. Have a good hockey team.
    2. Not use tax dollars to fund a Katz controlled stadium.

  35. theres oil in virginia says:

    Jasmine: 1. Yakupov was ranked #1 and Oilers drafted the right player. Defense take longer to develop than offense. Had Oilers drafted Murray, Oilers fans would have murdered management.
    2. Horcoff was run out by Oilers fans and Horcoff wanted out as a result.
    3. A new GM wants his own coach. Besides, Krueger coached European style and didn’t want team to fight and benched players who fought.
    4. Gilbert was run out of town by Oilers fans and wouldn’t sign in Edmonton.
    5. Hartkainen wanted a one-way deal and didn’t prove he deserved one.
    6. No one wants to sign in Edmonton and that’s why Ryan Jones was signed.
    7. Coaches don’t want to be assistant coaches in Edmonton and would rather be coach since Oilers have had 5 coaches in 6 years.
    8. Can’t blame the pro scouts when Oilers fans have a habit of running players out of town and players won’t sign in Edmnton or have Edmonton on the list of teams not to get traded to.
    10. Smid is overrated and wanted out of Edmonton and most likely asked for a trade.
    11. Once again Oilers are stuck signing players that no one else wants.
    12. Claiming Smack didn’t cost anything.

    Oilers fans consistently running players and coaches out of town is why players, coaches and assistant coaches avoid Edmonton.

    This is actually really slick. He just changed the tune of the broken record. It’s like crazy 8s, where you expect another spade and you go to throw one down, but blam! it’s clubs now and you didn’t even notice!

  36. Captain Smarmy says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    Jasmine posts like we think Lowe would post if he actually posted.

  37. Bad Seed says:

    Captain Smarmy,

    Yes, but would Lowe have a cheezie stained keyboard?

  38. Captain Smarmy says:

    Bad Seed,

    Nah as much as I am mad at him. He’s too cool for that sort of thing. Probably has never touched edible Styrofoam.

  39. Andy P says:

    Jasmine: 1. Yakupov was ranked #1 and Oilers drafted the right player. Defense take longer to develop than offense. Had Oilers drafted Murray, Oilers fans would have murdered management.
    2. Horcoff was run out by Oilers fans and Horcoff wanted out as a result.
    3. A new GM wants his own coach. Besides, Krueger coached European style and didn’t want team to fight and benched players who fought.
    4. Gilbert was run out of town by Oilers fans and wouldn’t sign in Edmonton.
    5. Hartkainen wanted a one-way deal and didn’t prove he deserved one.
    6. No one wants to sign in Edmonton and that’s why Ryan Jones was signed.
    7. Coaches don’t want to be assistant coaches in Edmonton and would rather be coach since Oilers have had 5 coaches in 6 years.
    8. Can’t blame the pro scouts when Oilers fans have a habit of running players out of town and players won’t sign in Edmnton or have Edmonton on the list of teams not to get traded to.
    10. Smid is overrated and wanted out of Edmonton and most likely asked for a trade.
    11. Once again Oilers are stuck signing players that no one else wants.
    12. Claiming Smack didn’t cost anything.

    Oilers fans consistently running players and coaches out of town is why players, coaches and assistant coaches avoid Edmonton.

    You nailed it, Jasmine.

  40. Captain Smarmy says:

    Andy P,

    Andy P with no surprise to anyone doubles down on terrible.

  41. book¡je says:

    godot10:

    1) Whispering in Katz’s ear to overrule the scouts and pick Yakupov.
    2) Trading Horcoff
    3) Changing the coach
    4) Signing Gresbeshkov rather than Gilbert or Hainsey.
    5) Not re-signing Hartikainen
    6) Signing Ryan Jones
    7) Not replacing Buchberger and Smith
    8) Not replacing any of the pro scouts
    10) Trading Smid, an actual NHL defensemen,for an ECHL goaltender and a 2nd tier forward
    prospect.
    11) Two-year NHL contracts to Ryan Hamilton and Will Acton.AHL veterans should never get more than one
    12) Claiming Steve MacIntyre on waivers

    Jasmine:

    1. Yakupov was ranked #1 and Oilers drafted the right player. Defense take longer to develop than offense. Had Oilers drafted Murray, Oilers fans would have murdered management.
    2. Horcoff was run out by Oilers fans and Horcoff wanted out as a result.
    3. A new GM wants his own coach. Besides, Krueger coached European style and didn’t want team to fight and benched players who fought.
    4. Gilbert was run out of town by Oilers fans and wouldn’t sign in Edmonton.
    5. Hartkainen wanted a one-way deal and didn’t prove he deserved one.
    6. No one wants to sign in Edmonton and that’s why Ryan Jones was signed.
    7. Coaches don’t want to be assistant coaches in Edmonton and would rather be coach since Oilers have had 5 coaches in 6 years.
    8. Can’t blame the pro scouts when Oilers fans have a habit of running players out of town and players won’t sign in Edmnton or have Edmonton on the list of teams not to get traded to.
    10. Smid is overrated and wanted out of Edmonton and most likely asked for a trade.
    11. Once again Oilers are stuck signing players that no one else wants.
    12. Claiming Smack didn’t cost anything.
    Oilers fans consistently running players and coaches out of town is why players, coaches and assistant coaches avoid Edmonton.

    Ok, folks, it the 2014 batshit crazy Olympic trials.

    Round 1 goes to gotdot for taking a rumour and assuming its credible with extra points for also making a fine decision sound like something terrible.

    Round 2 goes to Jasmine because somebody got run out of town.

    Round 3 is a tie. GM’s do get to hire their own coaches (point godot10 ) but Krueger never coached ‘Euro style’ nor did he bench players that fought unless those same players couldn’t play (1 point Jasmine)

    Round 4 is a tie again because somebody got run out of town(1 point Jasmine) but it was probably actually the one real case on the list where someone got run out of town(1 point godot10)

    Round 5 goes to godot10 – signing Hartikainen or not signing Hartikainen is probably a non event. Getting worked up over it gives you a crazy point.

    Round 6 – another ‘run out of town/nobody wants to sign here’ point for Jasmine – add one bonus mark for saying this in a post about a UFA (Scrivens) wanting to sign here.

    Round 7 – goes to Jasmine because in addition to being barely coherent, it doesn’t make any sense.

    Round 8 – Jasmine for ranting about ‘running players out of town’ again

    Round 9 – Awesomely, neither had a #9, but the crazy point goes to godot10 because he left the 9 out of the first list.

    Round 10 – This is tough, Jasmine could get the point for insinuating that Smid didn’t want to play in Edmonton, but I think godot10 gets it for not recognizing that in retrospect, the Smid trade looks pretty good

    Round 11 – Another ‘nobody wants to play here point’

    Round 12 – pretty even again, but the point goes to Jasmine for her post script which runs players out of town again and nobody wants to play here.

    So, in the Batshit Crazy Olympics, its Jasmine with a convincing 9 vs 6 score.

    Sorry godot10, but you have a ways to go. Perhaps if you can become a little more obsessive and blame all of the Oilers problem on one thing, you can challenge Jasmine, but for now she is the champ!!

  42. Captain Smarmy says:

    book¡je,

    Didn’t think you had that level of effort post in you. Good work!

  43. book¡je says:

    Sorry if I broke any rules about etiquette and the such. Please feel free to run me out of town. I will come back later.

  44. G Money says:

    book¡je: Sorry godot10, but you have a ways to go. Perhaps if you can become a little more obsessive and blame all of the Oilers problem on one thing, you can challenge Jasmine, but for now she is the champ!!

    Bam!

    Now if we could just somehow get you into the judging ranks for Olympic Figure Skating …

  45. Glock9 says:

    book¡je,

    WOW,, That was free bookje??? Awesome and scored perfectly :)

  46. The Great One says:

    book¡je:
    Sorry if I broke any rules about etiquette and the such.Please feel free to run me out of town.I will come back later.

    Elba is very windy.

    Not good very the complexion.

    Chapping.

  47. theres oil in virginia says:

    book¡je,

    Bookje, gordamn you! I was trying to eat! I just about died. I think there’s still crunchy peanut-butter in my nostril.

  48. jake70 says:

    Lowetide: Ference has not helped this season. He is miscast in the top 4D and I think he might be injured but playing currently

    Living out east here, the NBC affiliate I get is the one out of Boston (from my TV provider anyway). The local sports guys were talking the other night about the Boston defense and the concerns there (Hamilton inconistent, Chara fatiguing a bit etc.). One of them said “what you are seeing here (the defensive woes) is that Ference is missing”. Interesting.

  49. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Nice! The Scrivens deal has the potential to be the Oilers best value contract since CFP. I thought for sure it would take 3+ for Scrivens to sign here. Great work by MacT.
    Man, Riemer sure has the potential to be another value G pickup. He’s getting no help tonight from that D. Shultz and Potter certainly wouldn’t be drop offs from what the Leafs are showing on D tonight.

  50. VanOil says:

    book¡je:
    By his free will… it suggests that there is some hope.

    This reminds me of the Silly Olympics clip that LT should of used. Philosopher Football http://youtu.be/-2gJamguN04

    Esoteric but apropos for a learned hockey player.

  51. fifthcartel says:

    SK Oiler Fan,

    A Reimer/Scrivens tandem just makes too much sense for it not to happen.

  52. Andy P says:

    Captain Smarmy,

    I just happen to agree with what the lady says. :)

  53. Captain Smarmy says:

    SK Oiler Fan,

    Nah Tay Tay is the best since Pronger.

  54. Captain Smarmy says:

    Andy P,

    I know bro. That’s what I said.

  55. theres oil in virginia says:

    Tyutin out for CBJ, and now tonight, Ryan Murray hurt his leg. Don’t know how bad, but he got his skate stuck along the boards and immediately skated tentatively to the bench and is out for the game. Suddenly, CBJ’s pretty solid blue is in need of a Nick Schultz.

  56. Gerta Rauss says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    Tyutin out for CBJ, and now tonight, Ryan Murray hurt his leg.Don’t know how bad, but he got his skate stuck along the boards and immediately skated tentatively to the bench and is out for the game.Suddenly, CBJ’s pretty solid blue is in need of a Nick Schultz.

    …and a side order of Corey Potter…

  57. stevezie says:

    book¡je,

    Gold, Jerry.

  58. Lowetide says:

    Another item on Scrivens, with MacT as a feature player

    http://www.puckrant.com/slapshot/HOT_DEALS

  59. prairieschooner says:

    I want to support Mact but I have a niggly naggly feeling that he is a bit of a one man show in the decisions department.
    On the other hand today he did a good bit of business at 2.3 x 2
    At that price it doesn’t look like he had to try too hard to make it happen
    Kudos nonetheless unless that was nonetheless?

  60. VanOil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Thatcher Demko

    Referencing LTs qualified “Canadians don’t know much about goaltenders” adding the new 4 year protection for Euro draftees and the limited spots for goalies in the minors I would pass on the American Demko in the first few rounds.

    Drafting Finns or Swedish goalies that have been coached properly by people who do know something about goal tending and leaving them in Europe for as long as you can so they are not sullied by our unknowing ways seems to be the way to go.

    I believe Rom has read it but any one who missed it Koentges excellent piece on Finnish goal keeping is here: http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/03/the-puck-stops-here/357579/

  61. sliderule says:

    Lowetide,

    Mact did a good job on this.

    The oil have to have some things that work out and I think this is a good move.

  62. The Great One says:

    Lowetide:
    Another item on Scrivens, with MacT as a feature player

    http://www.puckrant.com/slapshot/HOT_DEALS

    Something stands out in your piece LT>

    “Two reasons: a smart GM like Dean Lombardi in Los Angeles rarely finds himself in that position. ”

    Actually, the opposite is true.

    Lombardi often finds himself in that position because he has proven to be so adept at drafting, developing and trading.

    And he knows when to move his excess pieces for value or to clear cap space when he needs it.

    Brayden Schenn, Andrei Loktionov and Wayne Simmonds just being a few examples of many.

  63. The Great One says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    Tyutin out for CBJ, and now tonight, Ryan Murray hurt his leg.Don’t know how bad, but he got his skate stuck along the boards and immediately skated tentatively to the bench and is out for the game.Suddenly, CBJ’s pretty solid blue is in need of a Nick Schultz.

    Or an Ehrhoff or Edler.

  64. "Steve Smith" says:

    bucknuck:
    I’m wondering why adding Ference doesn’t register on your playoff calibre players chart?

    Because Ference is coming nowhere near covering his contract in year one of a long-term contract during which his play will degrade. The Ference signing is probably MacTavish’s worst move so far (adjusted for significance – I agree that picking up MacIntyre was probably stupider, but it was also orders of magnitude less consequential). And I’m a cautious booster of MacTavish, over all (for example, that’s a great contract for Scrivens).

  65. theres oil in virginia says:

    The Great One: Or an Ehrhoff or Edler.

    C’mon man, those guys don’t hold a candle to Nick Schultz! I don’t think CBJ can take on Ehrhoff or Edler without unloading Jack Johnson or Wisniewski. They just need some filler. They also need some skilled forwards.

  66. Lowetide says:

    The Great One: Something stands out in your piece LT>

    “Two reasons: a smart GM like Dean Lombardi in Los Angeles rarely finds himself in that position. ”

    Actually, the opposite is true.

    Lombardi often finds himself in that position because he has proven to be so adept at drafting, developing and trading.

    And he knows when to move his excess pieces for value or to clear cap space when he needs it.

    Brayden Schenn, Andrei Loktionov and Wayne Simmonds just being a few examples of many.

    Lombardi didn’t see Jones developing that quickly, but credit where due he got a top 100 pick.

  67. The Great One says:

    Lowetide: Lombardi didn’t see Jones developing that quickly, but credit where due he got a top 100 pick.

    No, but he covered his bases when he traded Bernier as he promised to do.

    Not only did he pick up Frattin and Scrivens for an excess asset, but he also got the Leafs to pay part of their salaries.

    That’s pretty good work.

  68. The Great One says:

    theres oil in virginia: C’mon man, those guys don’t hold a candle to Nick Schultz!I don’t think CBJ can take on Ehrhoff or Edler without unloading Jack Johnson or Wisniewski.They just need some filler.They also need some skilled forwards.

    Ryan Kesler and Alex Edler for Ryan Johansen and Columbus’ 1st.

  69. "Steve Smith" says:

    Also, that’s a great Python skit. You know – even if you’ve never seen it before – what the punchline’s going to be. You know exactly how it’s going to be executed. There is not a single surprise the entire skit. And I still laugh out loud every time.

  70. Woodguy says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Also, that’s a great Python skit.You know – even if you’ve never seen it before – what the punchline’s going to be.You know exactly how it’s going to be executed.There is not a single surprise the entire skit.And I still laugh out loud every time.

    Exactly.

    Genius execution.

  71. Zangetsu says:

    If I’m a betting man, I would say we end up moving lander for a 5th and hemsky for a third. Then pick up miller for a 3rd. A backward move for every forward move. The MACT way. Still better than Tambo’s no move for every backward move. Progress. We are living in the future people.

  72. Woodguy says:

    Everyone needs to do themselves a favour and go read Tyler’s twitter timeline: @mc79hockey, or read excellent TOR blogger @mlse timeline.

    They stumbled into Nick Shultz’s older brother’s timeline @ripper5505

    Nick’s brother doesn’t think too much of Oiler management, coaching and players and doesn’t hide it too much.

    Its pretty entertaining stuff.

    Five of my fav’s:

    kris schultz ‏@ripper5505 Dec 31
    If Yak gave the puck away like Ebs just did he wouldn’t see the ice unless it was in his vodka. Yet Ebs keeps getting tossed over the boards

    kris schultz ‏@ripper5505 Dec 31
    There is as much accountability in that Oiler dressing room as there is hair on Kevin Lowes head. What a sad state of affairs my friends

    kris schultz ‏@ripper5505 Dec 28
    My concept of the Chinese language is equivalent to Sam Gagne’s concept of the Centre position in his own end. #thestickcheckwizard

    kris schultz ‏@ripper5505 Dec 5
    19 is poor lets not kid ourselves.But when is someone going to question Steve Smiths ability to coach?19 simply doesn’t know his position

    kris schultz ‏@ripper5505 Nov 13
    If you don’t play my way and the right way you won’t play” Dallas Eakins. Well guess what Dallas the kids are eating your lunch just like They did to all the other coaches they’ve had. If you punish Yak and call him out you better not look the other way when 4 and 14 mess up

    Last one was two tweets.

    Interesting stuff from a guy who’s brother plays for the team and ostensibly knows what goes on behind closed doors.

  73. Old School G says:

    book¡je,

    Crying, you had me crying laughing, great comedy tonight!

  74. Lucinius says:

    The Great One: Ryan Kesler and Alex Edler for Ryan Johansen and Columbus’ 1st.

    Not going to happen. Gillis wants more than that just for Kesler. But who knows… he still has to trade Luongo as well, apparently!

  75. flyfish1168 says:

    Maybe they look alike or is it there manner or style, But Scrivens reminds me of Andy Moog. Now we need to find our Grant Fuhr

  76. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    Everyone needs to do themselves a favour and go read Tyler’s twitter timeline: @mc79hockey, or read excellent TOR blogger @mlse timeline.

    They stumbled into Nick Shultz’s older brother’s timeline @ripper5505

    Nick’s brother doesn’t think too much of Oiler management, coaching and players and doesn’t hide it too much.

    Its pretty entertaining stuff.

    Five of my fav’s:

    kris schultz ‏@ripper5505Dec 31
    If Yak gave the puck away like Ebs just did he wouldn’t see the ice unless it was in his vodka. Yet Ebs keeps getting tossed over the boards

    kris schultz ‏@ripper5505Dec 31
    There is as much accountability in that Oiler dressing room as there is hair on Kevin Lowes head. What a sad state of affairs my friends

    kris schultz ‏@ripper5505Dec 28
    My concept of the Chinese language is equivalent to Sam Gagne’s concept of the Centre position in his own end. #thestickcheckwizard

    kris schultz ‏@ripper5505Dec 5
    19 is poor lets not kid ourselves.But when is someone going to question Steve Smiths ability to coach?19 simply doesn’t know his position

    kris schultz ‏@ripper5505Nov 13
    If you don’t play my way and the right way you won’t play” Dallas Eakins. Well guess what Dallas the kids are eating your lunch just like They did to all the other coaches they’ve had. If you punish Yak and call him out you better not look the other way when 4 and 14 mess up

    Last one was two tweets.

    Interesting stuff from a guy who’s brother plays for the team and ostensibly knows what goes on behind closed doors.

    That’s basically Ball Four via twitter. Wow!

  77. The Great One says:

    Lowetide,

    Or strike 3.

    With Oiler Pravda monitoring the interwebs, I would imagine Nick Schultz is persona non grata in the morning.

  78. Lowetide says:

    The Great One:
    Lowetide,

    Or strike 3.

    With Oiler Pravda monitoring the interwebs, I would imagine Nick Schultz is persona non grata in the morning.

    I’m sure he doesn’t care. Schultz is gone. It would be a better story if he was a better player.

  79. SaskFan says:

    The more I read about Markov the more I like, I thought that his possession stats were going to be boosted by Subban, but Markov at even strength plays more than 50% of the time with Emelin while playing with Subban about 30% of the time. Markov’a corgis are about 50 along with Subban but Emelins are about 45%.
    I am interested to see how he plays with Emelin because if he did sign here he would be playing with similar level of player. So where do you gents find your WOWY stats? I couldn’t find anything.

  80. delooper says:

    Wow, finally someone with something that looks like inside information, talking! I work at a university where it feels like all the information available to the public is simply the wishful thinking of the administrators. So the 2nd hand perspective via the Schultz brother sounds like it might very well be a valuable insight.

  81. The Great One says:

    Lowetide: I’m sure he doesn’t care. Schultz is gone. It would be a better story if he was a better player.

    Lowe will probably try and loan him to Hershey. :)

  82. Zangetsu says:

    Yeah Eakin’s hate of yak has made me mad all season. First time yak was benched, Hall was easily the worst player on the ice in the failed centre experiment. What really sealed it for me was one game mid season, where the oil lost something like 5-0, and Yakupov had a defensive error that ultimately cost the third goal. It wasn’t that bad, and his teamates should have covered for him. Post game press conference, Eakins comes out after the game and says that it was Yakupov’s error that sealed it. Sorry if that was vague, my memory is fading fast it would seem.
    The oils problems run deep. I wish we would just clean house on management all the way down to coaching. Bring in a new coach and GM, and let them decide who to keep. But alas, I fear things will continue to be bad until we have so many firsts it is impossible to miss the playoffs.

  83. The Great One says:

    Perhaps the Tweet of the Year:

    Retweeted by kris schultz

    Strombone ‏@strombone1

    And this is why I don’t wear cream colored pants….. Wtf @eddielack ?????

    pic.twitter.com/AXfhCpwvZw

  84. Lois Lowe says:

    The Schultz tweets are a trainwreck.

  85. flyfish1168 says:

    Andrei Markov is 35 years old and is 6′ 0″ and only 200 lbs. Is he really what we should be aiming for by trading away a 1st round or any draft picks. I say a resounding NO. If we sign I’m as a UFA I would go more year at time and no more than 4 million. He is a band aid solution and no more than one year with an option. Just one persons opinion.

  86. Woodguy says:

    book¡je,

    Just saw that.

    <3

  87. Woodguy says:

    The Great One:
    Lowetide,

    Or strike 3.

    With Oiler Pravda monitoring the interwebs, I would imagine Nick Schultz is persona non grata in the morning.

    Those tweets date back to October.

    Probably a bunch from last year too.

  88. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Woodguy,

    It’s actually depressing that some of his criticisms echo what many here have complained about – assistant coaches (he calls out Smith in particular) and questionable discipline (benching Yak for anything, Hall and Eberle free to commit grievous turnovers).

  89. book¡je says:

    I think its important to keep in mind that this is Nick Schultz brother’s account, not Nick Schultz’ account.

    He may, or may not be, repeating things he hears.

    I know if I were in the NHL, I wouldn’t talk business with my brothers because they are not very reliable and would probably just spew it all on twitter…

  90. Captain Smarmy says:

    He could just be echoing shit we want to hear. but hes onboard with yak city so burn this mother down.

  91. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Crazy, I think he just deleted his Twitter account right now.

  92. Woodguy says:

    SaskFan:
    The more I read about Markov the more I like, I thought that his possession stats were going to be boosted by Subban, but Markov at even strength plays more than 50% of the time with Emelin while playing with Subban about 30% of the time.Markov’a corgis are about 50 along with Subban but Emelins are about 45%.
    I am interested to see how he plays with Emelin because if he did sign here he would be playing with similar level of player.So where do you gents find your WOWY stats? I couldn’t find anything.

    Markov this year: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=58&withagainst=true&season=2013-14&sit=5v5

    Markov last year: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=58&withagainst=true&season=2012-13&sit=5v5

    This year he’s played 584min of 1080min 5v5 w/ Subban

    Last year he played only 73min out of 757min with Subban 5v5. Was mostly Emelin.

  93. Captain Smarmy says:

    The Schultz folk are Sask folk. Honest people to a fault.

  94. Woodguy says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    Woodguy,

    It’s actually depressing that some of his criticisms echo what many here have complained about – assistant coaches (he calls out Smith in particular) and questionable discipline (benching Yak for anything, Hall and Eberle free to commit grievous turnovers).

    Agreed 100%.

    The man loves his brother and will not see him bad, but a lot of his shots also get taken at the Oilers by posters here.

    Nice to see a secondary source with ties to the team.

  95. Woodguy says:

    Captain Smarmy:
    The Schultz folk are Sask folk. Honest people to a fault.

    Probably like to drink while watching hockey too.

    I know I do.

  96. The Great One says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    Crazy, I think he just deleted his Twitter account right now.

    Yep.

    Gone.

  97. book¡je says:

    I am just thrilled that Scrivens signed.

    I wonder if this makes Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yak, ect. wake up and get excited about hockey again. This could be a young team rounding into form.

    For the record, I know I am being very manic depressant about the team as of late, but honestly, I think its them (the Oilers), not me.

  98. Woodguy says:

    flyfish1168:
    Andrei Markov is 35 years old and is 6′ 0″ and only 200 lbs. Is he really what we should be aiming for by trading away a 1st round or any draft picks. I say a resounding NO. If we sign I’m as a UFA I would go more year at time and no more than 4 million. He is a band aid solution and no more than one year with an option. Just one persons opinion.

    He wouldn’t cost that much given that he’s FA.

    I hope.

    Don’t know why MTL would trade him now though.

    He’s kinda important to the team.

  99. Captain Smarmy says:

    Woodguy: Probably like to drink while watching hockey too.

    I know I do.

    No other way to watch this beautiful, wretched game.

  100. book¡je says:

    The Great One: Yep.

    Gone.

    Yep, I opened it 15 minutes ago and it was there and now —- POOF!

    You know what this means?

    It means that somebody from the Oilers reads the Oilogosphere stuff!

  101. The Great One says:

    book¡je: Yep, I opened it 15 minutes ago and it was there and now —- POOF!

    You know what this means?

    It means that somebody from the Oilers reads the Oilogosphere stuff!

    The NSA too!

  102. The Great One says:

    Oilogosphere.com ‏@MyOilogosphere

    @ripper5505 We all think it, thanks for saying it. #Oilers

  103. book¡je says:

    Captain Smarmy:
    The Schultz folk are Sask folk. Honest people to a fault.

    You can’t trust Saskatchewan people. They seem all normal, but they all belong to a crazy cult where they dress up like the Great Gazoo and travel around the country proselytizing or something.

  104. Woodguy says:

    book¡je: Yep, I opened it 15 minutes ago and it was there and now —- POOF!

    You know what this means?

    It means that somebody from the Oilers reads the Oilogosphere stuff!

    Or he turned on his phone and saw that he’d been retweeted 34324201934810 times and thought he’d try to get that Discretion horse back in the barn.

  105. Woodguy says:

    book¡je: You can’t trust Saskatchewan people.They seem all normal, but they all belong to a crazy cult where they dress up like the Great Gazoo and travel around the country proselytizing or something.

    I think his brother lives in Medicine Hat.

    Its like the Saskatchwan part of Alberta where many Saskatchwan Combine Pilots go when they retire.

    Maybe LT’s had drinks with him on one of his many visits to Gas City.

  106. The Great One says:

    Followed by Seph Ferguson and 1 other

    Pension Plan Muppets ‏@mlse 12m

    Goodbye @ripper5505, our sweet prince. We hardly knew you but you brought us so much joy.

  107. The Great One says:

    book¡je: You can’t trust Saskatchewan people.They seem all normal, but they all belong to a crazy cult where they dress up like the Great Gazoo and travel around the country proselytizing or something.

    And they call “gonch” “ginch”.

    #pecadillo

  108. delooper says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    Crazy, I think he just deleted his Twitter account right now.

    Woot! That’s confirmation enough to any conspiracy theorist.

  109. Captain Smarmy says:

    book¡je,

    I don’t know about any of that but I could take my knife and have you down a toilet in two hours.

    OH and go Riders@

  110. delooper says:

    I’m a Saskatchewanian. Be careful where you take all your crazy talk, I might just whip out my crazy to one up all you all.

  111. The Great One says:

    delooper:
    I’m a Saskatchewanian.Be careful where you take all your crazy talk, I might just whip out my crazy to one up all you all.

    What are you gonna do?

    Vote NDP?

  112. delooper says:

    The Great One: What are you gonna do?

    Vote NDP?

    I’ll invent a party that make the loony libertarians look like timid little gerbils! And then it’ll stay in power in Alberta for the next 60 years.

  113. delooper says:

    Today is the day the Oiliogosphere shook!

  114. The Great One says:

    delooper: I’ll invent a party that make the loony libertarians look like timid little gerbils!And then it’ll stay in power in Alberta for the next 60 years.

    That could work.

  115. delooper says:

    I’m only 30 minutes in but “Dallas buyers club” looks like a pretty good movie. Quite dark and not for anyone resembling a child. But it looks like a solid movie.

  116. Lowetide says:

    delooper: I’ll invent a party that make the loony libertarians look like timid little gerbils!And then it’ll stay in power in Alberta for the next 60 years.

    When I was a kid, my DAD would tell stories of Tommy Douglas and what a great man he was. I know if sounds silly, but I thought he was a king or something.

  117. BONVIE says:

    Like the story or the analogy using the cream separator.

  118. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    VanOil: Referencing LTs qualified “Canadians don’t know much about goaltenders” adding the new 4 year protection for Euro draftees and the limited spots for goalies in the minors I would pass on the American Demko in the first few rounds.

    Drafting Finns or Swedish goalies that have been coached properly by people who do know something about goal tending and leaving them in Europe for as long as you can so they are not sullied by our unknowing ways seems to be the way to go.

    I believe Rom has read it but any one who missed it Koentges excellent piece on Finnish goal keeping is here: http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/03/the-puck-stops-here/357579/

    That great piece is a good bookend to Mirtle’s (which predates it somewhat):

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/the-decline-of-canadas-goalies/article15786050/

    FWIW, I’m not advocating picking Demko. As a general rule I don’t think you spend a bullet on a G in the draft until after the first 100 picks or so. around the 5th round is a good time.

    My interest is in scouting spreads. Around now opinions are starting to firm up and the first 30 players or so are pretty much set. To see a player consistently pegged in the late first/early second suddenly get pegged at 13 is of interest to me. Even more interesting is to the see the same player not even crack the top 90 of another list.

    Speaking of:

    Romulus’ Apotheosis ‏@RomulusNotNuma 4h
    As far as I can tell, @CraigJButton is the other outlier on Demko, who doesn’t make Button’s top 90 list:
    http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649
    3 Gs listed

    Craig Button ‏@CraigJButton 3h
    @RomulusNotNuma He will be on it in March but I remain very unsure about his Overall NHL potential as a clear #1 goalie.

    Romulus’ Apotheosis ‏@RomulusNotNuma 2h
    @CraigJButton Interesting. thanks for the note.
    What do you make of @FCHockey having him at 13th today? That’s a big spread in the rankings?

    Craig Button ‏@CraigJButton 7m
    @RomulusNotNuma @FCHockey I have respect for all reasonable opinions. Can disagree but at same time I use it as a means to evaluate deeper.

  119. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Tracy Lane ‏@TreenasOil Protected Tweets 1m
    N Shultz to Boston close Ducks and Habs still interested

  120. Lowetide says:

    Tracy Lane ‏@TreenasOil Protected Tweets 1m

    N Shultz to Boston close Ducks and Habs still interested

  121. delooper says:

    … and its Romulus with a minute to spare.

  122. VanOil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    There is something I find reassuring about scouts having differing opinions. Maybe that is a symptom of growing up in a one party state threatened by Prairie Bolsheviks on the East and a Banana Republic Narco state run by successive cult of personality Kleptocrats to the West.

    Plus Mr. Button maybe wrong, often, but is a gentleman. He probably does not send tweets about his brothers boss and co-workers while drinking in Gas City wearing green, pity.

  123. Chris says:

    Yea one minute Nick Shultz brother was the star of oilers related twitter and the next he’s gone dark. I did like the part where he said the team had quit on the coach. Mostly because it happens to confirm my own perception of things. But then again Dallas Eakins basically said he showed up and the players hated him. So I suppose we are at multiple points of confirmation on that one.

    Scrivens is a good start to a long term goalie solution. We need one of those. We have been searching for our man in net ever since Tambo decided that Dwayne Roloson was too good at the position and would undermine the tanking.

  124. Marcus Oilerius says:

    The Great One: The NSA too!

    You all are going to laugh, but that NSA thing bothers me so much. I hardly text, email, or use Facebook any more, I certainly don’t say anything personal in any digital communication and I cancelled my online banking.

    Damn conspiracy theorists had to be right =/

  125. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Lowetide: I’m sure he doesn’t care. Schultz is gone. It would be a better story if he was a better player.

    Can you imagine if this was Boyd Gordon’s brother? Man alive, what a nightmare.

  126. Hammers says:

    Actually LT I would say both Gazdic for nothing & Hendricks for DD are both players who will be here next year . Ference aint going so that’s 13 . Figure 2 of Lander , Horak , Pitlick & Klefbom so McT needs to ad at least 5 probably 6.

  127. gogliano says:

    Why are we talking like elder Schultz isn’t an LT poaster? Sounded like it could be any of us.

  128. delooper says:

    gogliano:
    Why are we talking like elder Schultz isn’t an LT poaster?Sounded like it could be any of us.

    Hmmm.. No. Nobody has been talking quite like that.

  129. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    VanOil:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    There is something I find reassuring about scouts having differing opinions. Maybe that is a symptom of growing up in a one party state threatened by Prairie Bolsheviks on the East and a Banana Republic Narco state run by successive cult of personality Kleptocrats to the West.

    Plus Mr. Button maybe wrong, often, but is a gentleman. He probably does not send tweets about his brothers boss and co-workers while drinking in Gas City wearing green, pity.

    Please don’t get me wrong.

    My interest in spreads in rankings isn’t driven by a desire to homogenize opinion. Just the opposite. I’m interested in finding outliers and shifts in opinion to try and see if you can catch someone ahead or behind the curve (though I’m in no position to judge).

    All these scouting services read each other. If one is seeing a player as a 3 OV as hockey prospects has Ehlers right now, but sees everyone else clustered much later in the draft, it will certainly give them pause and it is certainly something for the rest of us to note.

    Because this is a whole year… what I find interesting is tracking these things. I mark off a couple of players who slip/rise from ranking to ranking or have a really high/low ranking on one or another and see what happens next time.

    For example, if we see Demko next month inching closer to 13 than 30, maybe HP is ahead of the curve?

    Also, I have a lot of respect of Button. I think he’s way off on Draisaitl this year and was with Fucale last year. But, I like him a lot and he’s been very nice answering my twitter questions.

    Romulus’ Apotheosis ‏@RomulusNotNuma 32m
    @CraigJButton Another player that seems to have a lot of varied opinion is Nikolaj Ehlers. I see him all over the map: incites curiosity.

    Craig Button ‏@CraigJButton 22m
    @RomulusNotNuma I think the question is; “why is he all over the map?” Size? Etc. some will like & others won’t.

    Romulus’ Apotheosis ‏@RomulusNotNuma 33m
    @CraigJButton I was just wondered if you had some thoughts on the big spread, not encouraging you to disparage other scouting services.

    Craig ButtonVerified account
    ‏@CraigJButton
    @RomulusNotNuma I understand that. You use it as a tool to evaluate your opinion. What am I missing? I don’t see him as a bona fide #1.

  130. Hammers says:

    Woodguy: He wouldn’t cost that much given that he’s FA.

    I hope.

    Don’t know why MTL would trade him now though.

    He’s kinda important to the team.

    Montreal already offered him 6 mil X2 years and he wants more term .

  131. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: http://blog.triblive.com/chipped-ice/2014/03/04/rossi-sheros-top-3-targets-are/#axzz2uvvAkitn

    You gotta get the Pens first or go back to Hemsky and try and re-sign.

    This is madness. A second from a playoff team is going to be in the 44-60 range. Hemsky deserves better.

  132. gvblackhawk says:

    The Great One: And they call “gonch” “ginch”.

    #pecadillo

    And we call ‘hoodies’ ‘bunnyhugs’ too!

  133. VanOil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Your post has me thinking about how much ‘gameing the draft’ happens in Hockey. In the NFL agents hire trainers and other specialists to help there clients game the combine. Kind of like beauty pageant coaches. The international nature of Hockey, its underage tournaments and long seasons probably prevents this somewhat. Mind you CBC did do an expose on Dominican baseball players doping as teens to get scouts attention.

    For an idea on how prevalent this is in the NFL, sites now rank the caliber of the draft/combine prep schools. http://www.draftdaddy.com/features/speed.htm

  134. stevezie says:

    I’m surprised the Brandon Pirri trade hasn’t been discussed more here. A 3rd and a fifth is officially the minimum return on Lander and Arcobello, and proof that the “Hemsky for a 3rd” rumours do not make a lick of fucking sense.

    This does not make them untrue.

    I would rather watch Hemsky walk than trade him for a Brandon Pirri’s ransom.

  135. Ribs says:

    Ty’s schooling Perron on Corsi right now on the twitters. Good stuff.

  136. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    So, MC79 is holding fort on corsi with David Perron on twitter right now… awesome!!!

  137. jp says:

    Ribs,

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    So, MC79 is holding fort on corsi with David Perron on twitter right now… awesome!!!

    Cool stuff. Sounds like Eakins did talk to them about fancy stats a little at the “mini camp”. Wonder if corsi can help him win back the room…

  138. danny says:

    Ben Scrivens can stop pucks. In any NHL city, that makes him magic. In Edmonton, that makes him a witch.

    It’s statements like this that make me appreciate this blog. The Coen’s corner of the Oilogosphere.

  139. Lowetide says:

    stevezie:
    I’m surprised the Brandon Pirri trade hasn’t been discussed more here. A 3rd and a fifth is officially the minimum return on Lander and Arcobello, and proof that the “Hemsky for a 3rd” rumours do not make a lick of fucking sense.

    This does not make them untrue.

    I would rather watch Hemsky walk than trade him for a Brandon Pirri’s ransom.

    The problem, as you know, is that Hemsky has an expiring contract and has spent his 20′s. The value of Pirri is straight ahead, and they’re gambling it’s a good future. He’s more offensive than Lander, and younger than Arco, but I think your point is well made.

    The only thing missing (as far as we know) is a market.

  140. Pouzar says:

    I can’t believe the lack of action up to this point. Wouldn’t surprise me if we didn’t get a single deal done today.

    3.5 UNDER

  141. russ99 says:

    Pouzar,

    Unfortunately, the Miller and Pirri deals have set the high and low ends of the market, and nobody seems willing to pay that much.

    We’ll see who caves first before 2PM tomorrow, buyers or sellers.

    McKenzie says that the price for Kesler is an NHL center, a high end prospect and a first rounder.

    Gagner, Klefbom and our 2015 1st? ;)

  142. Pouzar says:

    russ99,

    In that case, I think most of the Oiler deals will be announced after the deadline :)

  143. slopitch says:

    Dont trade the 2015 1st. It could be a lottery pick for McDavid. That would be the end of me.

    Wearing my Hemsky jersey today. Likely his last game. Sad moment. I hope he gets a nice sendoff.

  144. Pouzar says:

    “My sense is that (Jim) Rutherford has been asked to cut some payroll.” Dreger specified Jordan Staal as a name potentially being moved

  145. jp says:

    slopitch:
    Dont trade the 2015 1st.It could be a lottery pick for McDavid.That would be the end of me.

    Wearing my Hemsky jersey today.Likely his last game.Sad moment.I hope he gets a nice sendoff.

    Wonder if he even makes it to game time…

    I’m still hoping for a last minute re-signing like 2 yrs ago, but it doesn’t look good.

  146. jp says:

    Pouzar:
    “My sense is that (Jim) Rutherford has been asked to cut some payroll.” Dreger specified Jordan Staal as a name potentially being moved

    Making room for Marc?!? Very surprising, though he is making 6M per forever.

  147. russ99 says:

    slopitch,

    Im kidding, Vancouver would never go for that anyway.

    Plus I have some faith that MacT will make the moves to get us out of the bottom 5 and competing for a playoff spot this offseason.

    Look at capgeek – this is a unique opportunity for us. With all the UFA’s and buried contracts that are sure to go (even with raises for Petry, Schultz and maybe Yak’s post-EL deal) it’s looking like we’ll have around $30M to play with on July 1st, not counting any savings on a Gagner deal.

    Plus from all indications the cap is going way up in future years thanks to the Rogers deal. It may be over Capgeek’s estimated $71M next season.

  148. gcw_rocks says:

    Dreger is saying Jordan Staal is available. Says Canes are looking to cut some salary. Oilers first and Klefbom?

  149. Pouzar says:

    gcw_rocks,

    A healthy No from moi.

  150. rickithebear says:

    Scrivens contract number is pretty good. Ben Bishop signed the same deal except his first year was a RFA year. To get two UFA years at $2.3 M per is nice.

    Lets look at the top 10 Save% goalies.

    #1 Scrivens .934
    0-10 15.0%
    10-20 ft 9.9%
    20-30 6.5%
    >30 3.8%

    #2 Harding .933
    0-10 12.0%
    10-20 ft 16.7%
    20-30 4.2%
    >30 3.8%

    #3 Bishop .932
    0-10 11.7%
    10-20 10.2%
    20-30 10.5%
    >30 2.4%

    #4 Rask .927
    0-10 11.1%
    10-20 13.2%
    20-30 8.1%
    >30 3.0%

    #5 Khobodin .927
    0-10 20%
    10-20 10.3%
    20-30 9.8%
    >30 2.8%

    #6 Price .925
    0-10 17%
    10-20 11.9%
    20-30 9.7%
    >30 3.0%

    #7 Varlamov .925
    0-10 16.3%
    10-20 12.2%
    20-30 7.5%
    >30 2.4%

    #8 Bernier .924
    0-10 14.7%
    10-20 13.4%
    20-30 10.9%
    >30 2.7%

    #9 Lack .924
    0-10 23.5%
    10-20 14.3%
    20-30 4.5%
    >30 3.4%

    #10 Miller .923
    0-10 14.4%
    10-20 18.4%
    20-30 10.2%
    >30 2.9%

    #10 Schnieder .923
    0-10 15.5%
    10-20 16.9%
    20-30 7.3%
    >30 2.9%

    Scrivens years in Toronto, LA, Edm
    0-10 13.7%
    10-20 15.1%
    20-30 10.1%
    >30 4.0%

    He is one of the best inside 20 ft.

  151. gcw_rocks says:

    Pouzar,

    I am curious as to why not? Staal is big, he is a strong two way player and has hit around 50 points for times in his career, about what you would expect from a two way second line centre. He is only 25 and is under contract for a while. He is paid about 1.2m more than Gagner, but brings much more to the table.

    If it really is a salary dump, then the oilers can probably offer the most attractive package in Klefbom and the 1st without giving anything of the current roster.

    That also allows the team to ship one of Eberle, Gagner or Yakupov for a defender and still have two very strong top lines.

    With the Scrivens signing, it looks like the oilers will save a little cap space in goal that could make up the difference between Gagner and Staal.

    The oilers are never going to have a better opportunity than this.

  152. rickithebear says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Dreger is saying Jordan Staal is available. Says Canes are looking to cut some salary. Oilers first and Klefbom?

    traditionally
    Staal faces 1st comp with 3rd teamates
    with top 30 zone start
    Top 70 EVG player last 5 years.
    Top 30 Evg Player when healthy
    top 50 center even pt/60
    top 40 EVGA/60
    top 40 PKGA
    top 50 hits
    51.5% FO last 3 years.
    averages +10 in Gva tka

  153. FastOil says:

    Staal is fine but I would rather have Couturier if the Flyers don’t trade him for Kesler. He is far younger and just as good. make it happen Mac, an extra 5 years of service.

  154. gcw_rocks says:

    FastOil,

    I would too, but there is no indication the oilers can get him, especially for prospects and picks.

    Staal on a salary dump is a gift from the hockey gods. The oilers should seize the day.

  155. FastOil says:

    gcw_rocks:
    FastOil,

    I would too, but there is no indication the oilers can get him, especially for prospects and picks.

    Staal on a salary dump is a gift from the hockey gods. The oilers should seize the day.

    Yes your right but I still don’t agree. He has to be a trojan horse.

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