RANGERS AT OILERS, G75, 13-14

Oscar Klefbom joined the party a few days ago, and it is officially ‘go time’ for the parade of young blue to the show. Not all of these kids will make it, but Klefbom (and Nurse) is a first-round pick and the expectations are high for this player. Injuries have impacted his development, but we’re seeing a talented young man with plenty of potential skating in Oiler uniform #84.

  • Eakins: “It’s almost as if (Klefbom) is slowly moving up the food chain right now. I didn’t feel he was intimidated by them at all, and that’s the first part of it because those are big, intimidating guys. They’re big, they’ve got massive reach, they both can skate and they’ve got skill. It’s the full package, and two of them on one line, you don’t see that a lot.”

Story is here. It’s funny how things that occur in current time remind a person of the distant past. The current Oilers—with kids in the lineup and miles and miles of kids on the way—are a nice match for the late 1960′s Toronto Maple Leafs. Now, that Leafs team won four Stanley’s 1962-67 and needed to turnover the roster because a very successful group of veterans were growing old. Still, the youth on blue theme rolled for several seasons in Toronto:

  • 1967-68: Mike Pelyk (almost 600 NHL and WHA games, highly rated prospect at the time)
  • 1968-69: Pat Quinn, Rick Ley and Jim Dorey. All three players enjoyed quality careers during the 1970s.
  • 1969-70: Brian Glennie, Chris Evans. Glennie would have a good career, Evans had some fine seasons.
  • 1970-71: Brad Selwood. Played much of his career in the WHA, solid defenseman during the decade.

Seven perfectly useful defensemen arrived via Toronto in a four year span. Incredibly, the WHA would rob the Leafs of a large number of these blue, but the procurement department came up with Borje Salming and Ian Turnbull in 1973-74. That’s a helluva run for one team, it really is.

  • 2010-11: Jeff Petry. A solid young defenseman who quickly established himself in the NHL.
  • 2012-13: Justin Schultz: Dynamic free agent signing whose actual NHL value is being established.
  • 2013-14: Martin Marincin and Oscar Klefbom. Story in early chapters.

With Darnell Nurse, Dillon Simpson and others on the way, the idea that Edmonton could grab seven useful defensemen in a four year rookie cluster is not only possible, but likely. Next season, we’re probably going to see Nurse and Simpson make their debut, and possibly Ekblad too. Those seven names (Petry, Schultz, Marincin, Klefbom, Nurse, Simpson, possibly Ekblad) all have a chance to impact their NHL team in the next decade.

The early results are encouraging, this season’s debut by Marincin and now Klefbom give us a glimpse into a towering future. This could be fun, soon!

KEYS TO THE GAME

scrivens11

JONES

jones

News yesterday that Ryan Jones’ season is over and the injury is a serious one. Jones found a home in Edmonton and played a lot of games in copper and white (and blue and orange), but I hope he’ll get another shot in a new town and that this injury doesn’t spell the end of the line.

Rockford vs. Barons 2-28-14It’s time for Tyler Pitlick to step up. I liked his last game (before injury) and word yesterday had him being available for the game today. Anton Lander has been showing some good things, time for Pitlick to keep things rolling. If MacT can count on some of these Barons next season to fill roles at the end of the roster, it allows him some leeway when addressing the front end of the roster. The fewer holes to fill the summer, the better the opportunity to fill them well.

NOTES

  • It would be nice for Ryan Smyth to get his PP goal tonight. There aren’t many things about this Oilers team that could make an old guy cry tears of joy, but this is one of them.
  • Nice to see the Nuge pick up a point or two down the stretch, that 1line looked good when they put the band back together the other night.
  • Klefbom can freaking fly. He’s a Jetson!
  • Marincin’s wingspan is a real comfort. He’s miles from being the full Marincin, but there’s a lot there to like. Oiler fans throw compliments toward Stu MacGregor once a decade, but I think that selection is worthy of a nod now. Right?
  • The failure of Alex Plante from the 2007 draft meant the gap between Petry in 2006 and the next true NHL defenseman (Marincin) was four draft years. In that time, MacGregor picked Eberle (2008) with his only top 100 pick, then took Paajarvi and Lander 1-2 in 2009. Troy Hesketh was a third round miss, but the next defender taken was Marincin. Seasons in which a team doesn’t have a second or third round pick—like 2008 or 2014—impact the future in significant ways.

 

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  1. Gret99zky says:

    The Oilers need like 10 more players to compete for the playoffs next year.

    And a move to the Eastern Conference.

    There is no way this team gets anywhere near the playoffs next year.

    MacT has one hell of a long journey ahead of him.

  2. leadfarmer says:

    And it looks like the Magnificent Bastard is actually still with Detroit with Nyquist being another late round gem.

  3. linkfromhyrule says:

    leadfarmer,

    replace scrivens with dubnyk. Same shit. Different Names. We get lucky once in a while. Other than that this is the same crap hockey as last year

  4. Andy P says:

    leadfarmer:
    I cant believe some people think that Krueger didnt do a better job than Eakins.I mean at least they were somewhat competitive in some games last year.This year if it wasnt for Scrivens we would probably be beating Buffalo for the participation ribbon.

    The fact is that Krueger won 40% of his games played. Quinn, Renney and Eakins are all 35% or less. The only metric that may count more, is % of available points each coach scored in a season, and for those coaches that made the post season, some metric that gives those coaches credit for games won.

  5. Gret99zky says:

    One step forward.

    Ten steps back.

    Oilers.

  6. teddyturnbuckle says:

    I’m Rick Nash bitch!

  7. Lowetide says:

    Imagine what the score would be with Ference!

  8. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide,

    Now imagine with Dubnyk,

    who by the way is still having flashback nightmares to playing in front of this team.

  9. sliderule says:

    The Rangers are playing for playoffs.

    Oil are playing for who buys beer at Ranch.

  10. OilClog says:

    leadfarmer:
    I cant believe some people think that Krueger didnt do a better job than Eakins.I mean at least they were somewhat competitive in some games last year.This year if it wasnt for Scrivens we would probably be beating Buffalo for the participation ribbon.

    You mean you haven’t liked the progression?

    Eakins is teaching them how to play without the puck.. Best way is to make sure you have systems in place and Lander in an out of position scoring role.. To ensure you never have the puck.

    Brilliance

  11. Gret99zky says:

    Luckily Ekblad will swoop down and save the day.

  12. godot10 says:

    Lois Lowe:
    leadfarmer,

    Revisionist history over a 48 game schedule. The Oilers were absolutely dreadful for the last 20 games.

    Even so, they had 45 points in 48 games. All Western schedule. -8 goal differential. Respectable special teams. Shot metrics roughly equivalently horrible to this year. Arguaably with a worse roster.

    Against the Western Conference, I think the Oilers are at about 30 points in a similar number of games this year. Something like a -50 to 60 goal differential overall. The latest spurt was mostly PDO related.

    I dare you to name one quantitative or qualitative measure by which the Oilers are better this year.

    It was a bad team that was optimized to try to get results, whereas this year, it is just a bad team with no plan for acheiving results.

  13. Clay says:

    sliderule:
    The Rangers are playing for playoffs.

    Oil are playing for who buys beer at Ranch.

    Had the Flames won tonight, it would’ve been the first time they won 10 games in March since 1991. And they’re playing for the exact same thing the Oilers are.

    Just proof that when a team has a losing culture, it’s extremely hard to change it.

  14. VanOil says:

    The Oilers are a very different hockey club when Marincin and Petry are on the ice. Almost look like they belong in the NHL.

  15. Gret99zky says:

    Another shorty.

    Eakins might want to address that for next year.

  16. SK Oiler Fan says:

    i flip over from a good ball game and see another shorty. holy f. how can they be this bad. Just embarrassingly awful. 89 and Hendricks just totally ignored the guy in the slot. Any of you guys still pay to watch this?

  17. VanOil says:

    The Oilers only give up short handed goals on about 5% of there power plays. It feels like more than that. It must be the 2 on 1 against every power play that colours this impression.

  18. Lois Lowe says:

    godot10,

    eyeglow/60
    number of Mark Frasers
    Shorthanded goals given up
    draft position attained

    QED.

  19. 106 and 106 says:

    “This has been a dreadful stretch of Oilers history”

    “And to that point, Chris, the Oilers powerplay is Lander, Hendricks and Gordon.”

    “It’s just not good enough.”

    -Ferraro

  20. icecastles says:

    linkfromhyrule: replace scrivens with dubnyk. Same shit. Different Names.

    Comments like this need a warning tag. Or a disclaimer. Or a redirect to HFBoards.

  21. book¡je says:

    I’m almost not enjoying watching the Oilers play lately.

  22. Gret99zky says:

    Some nice things tonight.

    Despite the score.

    Baby steps.

  23. leadfarmer says:

    sliderule,

    Actually a lot of the Oilers are playing for a paycheck next year given that some may not ever play in the NHL again. If that doesn’t motivate a guy I dont know what will.

  24. russ99 says:

    I think we can finally deduce that Eakins and MacT talk a good game, but it doesn’t show up on the ice.

    What can they realistically do to make that change next year?

  25. 106 and 106 says:

    In a season where nothing rhymes, the Oilers praise Justin Schultz and damn Marincin. Because Oilers.

  26. Andy P says:

    Can someone tell me the roster changes from last game? Who came in and who is out?
    Thanks

  27. Oilanderp says:

    Ferraro pretty much summed up the Oilers’ problems this game by calling the forwards a bunch of cherry pickers. I am paraphrasing.

  28. admiralmark says:

    icecastles: Comments like this need a warning tag. Or a disclaimer. Or a redirect to HFBoards.

    Or Automatic delete.

    On a side note the shorthanded goals need to be completely eating Eakins up inside or he is not an NHL coach.

  29. book¡je says:

    Andy P:
    Can someone tell me the roster changes from last game? Who came in and who is out?
    Thanks

    Hope came out and Doom went in.

  30. Clay says:

    Andy P:
    Can someone tell me the roster changes from last game? Who came in and who is out?
    Thanks

    Ference is out. Fraser is in. Apparently Ference pulled his awesome on that GWG shot.

    Jones out from injury. Larsen in (they’re running 7 D. AND, Fraser currently more TOI than Belov, Larsen, and Kbomb)

  31. flyfish1168 says:

    Gagner gaps why to big for NHL. Besides his brain cramps on shoulder checks and positioning.

  32. magisterrex says:

    Haven’t been watching the game. I assume with Ferrence out the Oilers must have pitched a shutout, right? After all, I’ve read on the Al Gore that he is at best a #7 dman.

  33. Woodguy says:

    Hands up those who still think 1 Dman and a Center fixes this.

    I’m up to:

    2-top pairing Dmen
    1- 1C
    1 – 3LW
    1- 1/2 RW who can win a puck battle
    1-entire 4th line that can play hockey

    1-Perry Pearn to run special team
    1-Chuckles Huddy to run the Dmen

    I’m still probably light.

  34. gcw_rocks says:

    Are we enjoying the wonder that a MacT – Eakins endeavor brings? Yes, these are the guys we want solving the problems this summer and next year.

    These guys define a whole new level of suck.

  35. Woodguy says:

    magisterrex:
    Haven’t been watching the game. I assume with Ferrence out the Oilers must have pitched a shutout, right? After all, I’ve read on the Al Gore that he is at best a #7 dman.

    Ference not being good doesn’t make Fraser better.

  36. Woodguy says:

    Oilanderp:
    Ferraro pretty much summed up the Oilers’ problems this game by callingthe forwards a bunch of cherry pickers.I am paraphrasing.

    Cherry pickers and lollygaggers.

    Clear the lot of them out.

  37. gcw_rocks says:

    Woodguy,

    Toss in a new GM and Laviolette and you are probably getting close.

  38. Lowetide says:

    A terrible night for sure. Oilers have played the eastern conference pretty well this season, but that was a down night for sure. I’m not sure it’s the lowest point though, against the east. I’d pick that first game in Toronto where Dubnyk shattered.

  39. godot10 says:

    Woodguy:
    Hands up those who still think 1 Dman and a Center fixes this.

    I’m up to:

    2-top pairing Dmen
    1- 1C
    1 – 3LW
    1- 1/2 RW who can win a puck battle
    1-entire 4th line that can play hockey

    1-Perry Pearn to run special team
    1-Chuckles Huddy to run the Dmen

    I’m still probably light.

    Ultimately, it won’t be fixed until there is a competent head coach. There isn’t one at the moment.

    Another lost season is on the way, pretty much regardless of what MacT does. Upgrading the pawns to rooks doesn’t matter if the guy making the moves is incompetent.

  40. gcw_rocks says:

    Can we go back and draft Seguin, Landeskog, and Murray or Galchenyuk?

    I love Hall, but that would be a more competitive group.

  41. magisterrex says:

    Just saw the score. Glad I missed this one.

  42. Oilanderp says:

    Sweet Lipton Jumpin Jeebus, are we back to pining for Krueger and firing Eakins again? Addict behaviour.

  43. Clay says:

    Woodguy:
    Hands up those who still think 1 Dman and a Center fixes this.

    I’m up to:

    2-top pairing Dmen
    1- 1C
    1 – 3LW
    1- 1/2 RW who can win a puck battle
    1-entire 4th line that can play hockey

    1-Perry Pearn to run special team
    1-Chuckles Huddy to run the Dmen

    I’m still probably light.

    Long, long list. Too long to be fixed in one off-season. Meaning, the Oilers are way more likely to be challenging for a lottery pick than a playoff spot AGAIN.

    I honestly think the coaching / culture conundrum will matter more than anything. Let’s face it, after 75 games we can safely, SAFELY say that it doesn’t really matter what Eakins is selling, the team isn’t buying it.

    You can be argue all day and all night whether the Oilers have turned over too many coaches or whatever. You can argue all day and all night about how the “kids” are being brats and won’t play his system. Simple fact is that this team either can’t play for this coach, or won’t – or both.

    How does anyone expect this to suddenly change going into next season? That’s the height of naivety.

    There is way more wrong with the team than the players (or lack thereof) who play for it.

  44. magisterrex says:

    Woodguy: Ference not being good doesn’t make Fraser better.

    No argument from me. Are you saying that Fraser is responsible for tonight’s score?

  45. RexLibris says:

    Tonight’s debate: watch Oilers game or fix faucet.

    Faucet fixed.

    Checked score.

    Feel darn good about that faucet now.

  46. VanOil says:

    Pre-season I am sure TSN thought tonight’s game would be a ratings winner with the Oilers battling for a playoff spot. The way it turned out I am sure they would have rather aired a K-Tel marathon.

  47. RexLibris says:

    magisterrex: No argument from me. Are you saying that Fraser is responsible for tonight’s score?

    Come on. Yakupov is responsible for it. He and Horcoff.

  48. RexLibris says:

    VanOil:
    Pre-season I am sure TSN thought tonight’s game would be a ratings winner with the Oilers battling for a playoff spot. The way it turned out I am sure they would have rather aired a K-Tel marathon.

    Think about the announcers during the commercial breaks.

    I’m surprised they didn’t start talking about their tee times or summer plans at the cabin.

  49. magisterrex says:

    RexLibris: Come on. Yakupov is responsible for it. He and Horcoff.

    Damn their hides!

  50. VanOil says:

    Woodguy:
    Hands up those who still think 1 Dman and a Center fixes this.

    I’m up to:

    2-top pairing Dmen
    1- 1C
    1 – 3LW
    1- 1/2 RW who can win a puck battle
    1-entire 4th line that can play hockey

    1-Perry Pearn to run special team
    1-Chuckles Huddy to run the Dmen

    I’m still probably light.

    I will go lighter.

    2-top pairing Dmen
    1-entire 4th line that can play hockey

    1-Perry Pearn to run special team
    1-Chuckles Huddy to run the Dmen

    Draft a C. Leave him in Jr then enjoy the final two years of the Gagner era. I am just hoping not to outright suck next year. Making the playoffs before we break the Seals all time futility record seems a waste of some really shitty hockey right now. I want the record.

  51. book¡je says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Can we go back and draft Seguin, Landeskog, and Murray or Galchenyuk?

    I love Hall,but that would be a more competitive group.

    I’m not convinced of that. This is not only the players.

  52. flyfish1168 says:

    RexLibris: Come on. Yakupov is responsible for it. He and Horcoff.

    Get it right this whole season is Yaks fault

    and Horcoff is a quitter for leaving us

  53. RexLibris says:

    flyfish1168: Get it right this whole season is Yaks fault

    and Horcoff is a quitter for leaving us

    I miss the old days when we could blame everything on Cory Cross.

    And Horcoff didn’t quit, he was granted asylum.

  54. Lowetide says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 4m

    Coach Eakins says Andrew Ference has a slight tear in his pectoral muscle that he’s been playing through for the last three weeks.

  55. Younger Oil says:

    Klefbom started every single shift in his own defensive end. 0% O/D St%. Got mauled by the Corgis, but wasn’t on for a single goal against.

    I’m not saying Eakins is trying to ruin Klefbom, but who the hell does that to a rookie in their first 10 NHL games?

  56. icecastles says:

    gcw_rocks: These guys define a whole new level of suck.

    You’re going to explain how this is a “whole new level of suck” than the last four seasons where we were as bad or worse.

    (Hint: it’s not.)

  57. Woodguy says:

    magisterrex: No argument from me. Are you saying that Fraser is responsible for tonight’s score?

    Entirely.

    Burn him at the stake.

  58. Woodguy says:

    Younger Oil:
    Klefbom started every single shift in his own defensive end. 0% O/D St%. Got mauled by the Corgis, but wasn’t on for a single goal against.

    I’m not saying Eakins is trying to ruin Klefbom, but who the hell does that to a rookie in their first 10 NHL games?

    That’s amazing.

    The saddest part is he is the Dman that could handle it best besides Marincin, the other rookie.

  59. Gret99zky says:

    Clay: Long, long list. Too long to be fixed in one off-season.Meaning, the Oilers are way more likely to be challenging for a lottery pick than a playoff spot AGAIN.

    Absolutely agree with this. There is no hope for the playoffs or likely even a playoff push.

    Last year we finished ahead of Florida, Colorado, Tampa Bay, Nashville, Carolina, and Calgary.

    All these teams are currently ahead of us this year.

    Epic Fail.

  60. Younger Oil says:

    Woodguy: That’s amazing.

    The saddest part is he is the Dman that could handle it best besides Marincin, the other rookie.

    I agree. Marincin had the best Corsi on the team (55.6%), but also had 60% Offensive ZS, highest of anyone not on the fourth line. As nice at it is to see him sheltered, I’d much rather they try to balance it between him and Klefbom, especially if Marincin is paired with Petry.

  61. icecastles says:

    Gret99zky: Last year we finished ahead of Florida, Colorado, Tampa Bay, Nashville, Carolina, and Calgary.
    All these teams are currently ahead of us this year.

    Last year was a truncated season. I have no belief whatsoever that had there been another 34 games, the Oilers would have maintained that position.

  62. flyfish1168 says:

    RexLibris: I miss the old days when we could blame everything on Cory Cross.

    And Horcoff didn’t quit, he was granted asylum.

    How about when we use to blame Boris Mironov, I just heard his name the other day and how bad he was with us.

  63. godot10 says:

    icecastles: Last year was a truncated season. I have no belief whatsoever that had there been another 34 games, the Oilers would have maintained that position.

    Every game last year in a compressed season was against a Western Conference team. There were no breaks or lulls to play the Eastern Conference. And considering that, the OIlers had only one truly disastrous stretch. The goal differential last year was -8 vs. about -60 this year, even with basically the same shot differential metrics. It was a bad team, but a bad team with a plan. This year it is just a bad team.

    Three teams in the West passed the OIlers this year. Nashville (who played most of this season without Rinne), Calgary, and Colorado.

  64. Bank Shot says:

    Woodguy: That’s amazing.

    The saddest part is he is the Dman that could handle it best besides Marincin, the other rookie.

    And where would Marincin slot into the Rangers D-core?

    Behind Girardi, McDonagh and Staal for sure.

    Likely behind Stralman and Diaz as well.

    So 6th or 7th at best.

    Oilers got a long long way to go.

    Their D sucks and the majority of their forwards do nothing in the the defensive end of the ice.

  65. icecastles says:

    godot10: It was a bad team, but a bad team with a plan.

    Please tell me, specifically, what this plan was. I’ve heard plenty of revisionist history defenses of last season, but this is the first time I’ve heard someone go so far as to say there was a plan.

  66. Jordan says:

    So, now that everyone is burning the team, the coaches, the mgmt. group, at the stake, how about we all take a step back.

    Breathe.

    The team played badly tonight and lost. When teams play badly, they lose more often than they win.

    Breathe.

    This team has played badly a lot this season. It’s lost a lot.

    Breathe.

    Crying out that the sky is falling is not going to improve this team, or change this season.

    Breathe.

    If you’re not enjoying the games, don’t watch them – go do something else. If you are unable to do that, go seek professional help. either you’re a masochist, or an addict, and both of those are treatable conditions.

    Breathe.

    Life goes on whether the Oilers win the lottery or the stanley. Are you living yours?

  67. hunter1909 says:

    RexLibris:
    Tonight’s debate: watch Oilers game or fix faucet.

    Faucet fixed.

    Checked score.

    Feel darn good about that faucet now.

    Similar story: Turned the game on during the pregame ceremonies which fortunately got the mute button. Then saw Dallas Eakins glaring face and remembered why I hate this team so much and switched over to watch a History Channel documentary instead; tuning back to see 4-0 and happy to have missed it.

  68. TheOtherJohn says:

    Re: Oilers play the Eastern conference pretty well. If we played 82 games against EC teams alone, we’d still be 8-10 points out of the playoffs. Instead of 35 points out of the playoffs in WC.

    Any possibility we could convince league office Edm is really an Eastern city?

    Beauty of the Oiler Giza rebuild is if in 2-3 years if it’s still shit: (which is exceedingly likely: fire the GM and start over: can’t blame him. He’s a new GM

    Rinse, repeat ………..

  69. stevezie says:

    In these moments of darkness, it behooves us to appreciate what light there is: Some of us, like Stevezie, loaded up on Rangers this afternoon and pulled off dramatic come from behind victories in our pools this week, which is a big deal because it’s the playoffs and we dominated the regular season by such a ridiculous degree that it would not have been right for The Dudes to sneak their asses into a semis on the back of some injury luck and goaltending swings.

    So at least we got that.

  70. Bank Shot says:

    How many millions do you think it would take to lure Lemaire out of retirement?

    $70 million over 5 years ought to do the trick.

  71. godot10 says:

    icecastles: Please tell me, specifically, what this plan was. I’ve heard plenty of revisionist history defenses of last season, but this is the first time I’ve heard someone go so far as to say there was a plan.

    Let Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, and Eberte (the top line), and the special teams try to win the game, and try to hang on for dear life during the rest. i.e. Be competitive for the 15 minutes of EV with the top line, win the 8 minutes of ST play. This shortens the game where you try not to lose 37 minutes. Basically, give Hall a chance to win the game for you.

    With Eakins, it is just trying to hang on for dear life from start to finish. Eakins has no plan to try to win now. He doesn’t give Hall a chance to be a difference maker. They’ve reigned him him. i.e. Surrender from the get go.

  72. gcw_rocks says:

    icecastles,

    If you look west vs west only, CF% and FF% suggest this is the worst oiler team of the Renney, Kruger, Eakins era. And when this last run of games is done it’s not likely to be close.

  73. gcw_rocks says:

    godot10,

    The Oilers underlying stats were better over the last 20 games than the first 28 so it’s wasn’t the AHL bump either. They were still a badly conducted team with a rookie coach learning on the fly, but they were improving, if ever so slightly. That is more than we can say about this season.

  74. Thinker says:

    By my count the oilers are scoreless in 10percent of the season. Add offence to the list of problems.

  75. El Duderino says:

    A loss is a win in the BATTLE FOR DRAISAITL or WE BE BAD FOR EKBLAD.

  76. OilClog says:

    Klef started every draw in his own zone…

    Brilliance.

  77. OilClog says:

    No Hemsky
    No Yakupov
    Anton Lander

    Hahahahahaahahahah “Hey Anton, go create some space”

    Like he’s David Perron.

    Pop quiz: Hemsky’s been traded for magic beans, Yakupov is one legged and a useless turnover bum with no passion. We need someone to play along side Eberle and Nuge not named Hall. Film from past seasons means nothing! Who do we have fill the 2nd line left wing for 12 games?

    A. Move Highly touted prospect Pitlick in for a trail.

    B. Move up Ryan Smyth til he dies.

    C. Move up Hendricks for a hit or two.

    D. Moves Gordon up with Gags on the wing.

    E. Play Lander on the wing.

    If you’ve answered E.

    You’re why we can’t have nice things.

  78. Numenius says:

    That was a tough game to watch. Not many silver linings to be found.

  79. Nuckout says:

    icecastles: Last year was a truncated season. I have no belief whatsoever that had there been another 34 games, the Oilers would have maintained that position.

    Who’s to say that Eakins just isn’t the motivator that Ralph was. Maybe Kruger held the confidence of the group better than Eakins could ever hope for. Lets not forget those intangibles, Ralph Kruger may have had a stronger ability to reach his audience than Eakins does. In any level of organized hockey, that coach-player relationship is important, and I can imagine it gets more important the higher you go. Ralph had personality and showed emotion as a coach, Eakins looks like a nervous android who’s afraid to make a mistake. Tell me who you’d rather play hockey for.

  80. Colieo87 says:

    Ok, just so so it’s out there. The fans aren’t going to quit going the waiting list is endless. Secondly the oilers are drafting a center and sending them back to junior. Third the management is finally doing the right thing in development drafting and making them play in junior. That’s what we should of done with the 1st overall picks. But here we are. Losing is losing can’t deny that but what really grinds my gears is the underlying truth that we should of kept the 2010 roster and not rush the development of the 1st rounders. Let’s face it where going to suck next year. And prob the year after that. There is to many shoes to fill with no experience. I Blaim tabo for the suray fight. Quit playing injured players and maybe we can attract people to play for us. I’m just FUSTRATED that’s all. The once beloved franchise down the tubes. Four years of this and it’s going to last another 3 if not longer.

  81. icecastles says:

    Nuckout: Maybe Kruger held the confidence of the group better than Eakins could ever hope for. … Ralph Kruger may have had a stronger ability to reach his audience … Ralph had personality and showed emotion as a coach, Eakins looks like a nervous android who’s afraid to make a mistake.

    I’m guessing you didn’t actually watch the games last season.

  82. Colieo87 says:

    The boys in the bus blog had an excellent picture to sum the oilers affairs. Remember that scene off Jurassic Park 1 with the Tri-saratops “big pile of shit” that my friends is our hockey team.

  83. Andy P says:

    icecastles: Please tell me, specifically, what this plan was. I’ve heard plenty of revisionist history defenses of last season, but this is the first time I’ve heard someone go so far as to say there was a plan.

    Every team at this level has a plan every year. Krueger had a plan and Eakins had a plan. It’s not whether they had a plan it’s what their objective was and whether they achieved their objective. I don’t think any of our coaches since Tambo took the team over with MacT as coach have ever achieved their planned objectives. All we can say is that Renney and Krueger both had better win %’s than their predecessors, and Krueger had a better win% than Eakins under MacT with tougher opposition and a weaker roster.

    Krueger will likely end up back in the NHL and when that happens he will likely demonstrate that he is the better coach. But there’s no use crying over spilt milk, the Oiler fandom would have been calling for his head by now with the collapse of our goaltending and the string of injuries to our so-called top players.

    This is a better roster than the 2012 roster and that’s a good thing if they can keep their skeletons intact and continue to develop.

    For last night’s game, the minus ratings were well distributed, I’m not sure Fraser is even up to playing in the A, as good a player as he once may have been.

    I think Pitlick ~= Jones but Ference >>>>>> Fraser.

    MacT may have not been perfect but MacT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tambo.

    I think Eakins is not a bad coach, I do think he is a mediocre coach, capable of building a mediocre team, better than the one we have, once he washes out the rest of our finesse players and fills the rosters from top to bottom with players who play his way. Given a good enough roster he’ll probably be able to challenge annually for a playoff spot, like the little oilers of the past that could.

    But we are where we are, he’s not likely going anywhere, we’re probably going to lose Todd Nelson in the offseason, and then the shortcomings of the assistants will be laid bare, which is likely when they promote Bucky to head coach because Oilers.

  84. Andy P says:

    Who else heard Eakins’ comments about the Oilers’ offense in his post game presser? For the first time, the coach himself debunked the oversell on the Oilers’ so-called offensive prowess. Pointed out that our 5 year record demonstrates where we are offensively. To summarize: This is not an offensively skilled team, this is a team that has some players who have some skill.

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=4&id=591136&lang=en&navid=DL|EDM|home

    Starts at the 2:30 mark.

    Look for one of more of the players who have some skill to be shipped out this off season in favour of size and perhaps less skill? (Refer my prior comment)

  85. russ99 says:

    Andy P:
    Who else heard Eakins’ comments about the Oilers’ offense in his post game presser? For the first time, the coach himself debunked the oversell on the Oilers’ so-called offensive prowess. Pointed out that our 5 year record demonstrates where we are offensively. To summarize: This is not an offensively skilled team, this is a team that has some players who have some skill.

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=4&id=591136&lang=en&navid=DL|EDM|home

    Starts at the 2:30 mark.

    Look for one of more of the players who have some skill to be shipped out this off season in favour of size and perhaps less skill? (Refer my prior comment)

    Good lord. That was just ghastly. The man has zero comprehension whatsoever. We would be a high scoring team if he didn’t stifle the offense.

    Gonna give MacT some benefit of the doubt this summer but I’m inching closer and closer to being done with this team until Eakins is gone.

  86. theres oil in virginia says:

    russ99: Good lord. That was just ghastly. The man has zero comprehension whatsoever. We would be a high scoring team if he didn’t stifle the offense.

    Gonna give MacT some benefit of the doubt this summer but I’m inching closer and closer to being done with this team until Eakins is gone.

    I think that ~”they’ve got to have some recognition of danger”~ is pretty good comprehension of what’s wrong. Justin Schultz pinching on that play was bas enough, considering that he had no support from the forwards and Hall (playing point, I think) was the last man back, but after he hesitated that should have sent him backward rather than forward. Like Ferraro said, there’s less than a second to identify the situation and make the correct decision. (I was laughing pretty good when Ferraro started saying that there was no way Schultz makes that pinch if it’s 5on5, then he quickly added “at least he shouldn’t”. He shouldn’t do it at any player-strength.)

    I think looking at the shot stats for the last several years and correctly identifying that the team as a whole (hole?) does not generate enough shots is pretty good comprehension.

    The team came out flat and then played in their own end entirely too much and bounces went against them. Seems to me like Eakins nailed it on all counts.

  87. CMG30 says:

    russ99,

    I disagree, that’s a very accurate assessment of this team.

    Krueger let the dogs run last year and how did it go? Maybe if we had a defense that could spring them with the puck… But then we’re still faced with the problem that the players can’t sustain a cycle in the offensive end because they lose to many 1 on 1 battles against the boards or try to force crazy passes through the entire defending team. No, anybody who still thinks that the Oilers are an offensive powerhouse is smoking some pretty strong stuff. Like Eakins said, the evidence that they’re not is the past 4 years.

    Mind you, I’m not saying that they’re useless, our top lines are still scoring enough that we might have a chance… if our defense was up to scratch and if our 3rd and 4th lines contributed once and a while

  88. Woodguy says:

    Oh Christ is the idiocy that Krueger made a difference to this group raised its head again?

  89. Bank Shot says:

    Woodguy:

    Oh Christ is the idiocy that Krueger made a difference to this group raised its head again?

    It’s only natural to compare to the last coach and Eakins has been worse.

    Quit deflecting and get on the fire Eakins bandwagon. :)

  90. russ99 says:

    CMG30,

    Possession, shots and goals. That’s what makes a good offense.

    We’re way down on all of them because Eakins makes everyone play a two way game, sacrificing offensive zone play to get back at all times.

    That’s offense. If he wants to make a claim about how we’re poor defensively as a team fine. But until the arrow goes the other way again due to concrete changes on how we’re coached and we play in systems, that claim is moot.

    And yes, our top two scoring lines should be playing like scoring lines, not everyone playing like checkers. And while we don’t have the roster to play like that, there should at the very least be recognition to that and not this garbage that we have to change the roster and dump skill to become like the Predators.

  91. godot10 says:

    Woodguy:
    Oh Christ is the idiocy that Krueger made a difference to this group raised its head again?

    45 points in 48 games against the WESTERN CONFERENCE.

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