RANGERS AT OILERS, G75, 13-14

Oscar Klefbom joined the party a few days ago, and it is officially ‘go time’ for the parade of young blue to the show. Not all of these kids will make it, but Klefbom (and Nurse) is a first-round pick and the expectations are high for this player. Injuries have impacted his development, but we’re seeing a talented young man with plenty of potential skating in Oiler uniform #84.

  • Eakins: “It’s almost as if (Klefbom) is slowly moving up the food chain right now. I didn’t feel he was intimidated by them at all, and that’s the first part of it because those are big, intimidating guys. They’re big, they’ve got massive reach, they both can skate and they’ve got skill. It’s the full package, and two of them on one line, you don’t see that a lot.”

Story is here. It’s funny how things that occur in current time remind a person of the distant past. The current Oilers—with kids in the lineup and miles and miles of kids on the way—are a nice match for the late 1960′s Toronto Maple Leafs. Now, that Leafs team won four Stanley’s 1962-67 and needed to turnover the roster because a very successful group of veterans were growing old. Still, the youth on blue theme rolled for several seasons in Toronto:

  • 1967-68: Mike Pelyk (almost 600 NHL and WHA games, highly rated prospect at the time)
  • 1968-69: Pat Quinn, Rick Ley and Jim Dorey. All three players enjoyed quality careers during the 1970s.
  • 1969-70: Brian Glennie, Chris Evans. Glennie would have a good career, Evans had some fine seasons.
  • 1970-71: Brad Selwood. Played much of his career in the WHA, solid defenseman during the decade.

Seven perfectly useful defensemen arrived via Toronto in a four year span. Incredibly, the WHA would rob the Leafs of a large number of these blue, but the procurement department came up with Borje Salming and Ian Turnbull in 1973-74. That’s a helluva run for one team, it really is.

  • 2010-11: Jeff Petry. A solid young defenseman who quickly established himself in the NHL.
  • 2012-13: Justin Schultz: Dynamic free agent signing whose actual NHL value is being established.
  • 2013-14: Martin Marincin and Oscar Klefbom. Story in early chapters.

With Darnell Nurse, Dillon Simpson and others on the way, the idea that Edmonton could grab seven useful defensemen in a four year rookie cluster is not only possible, but likely. Next season, we’re probably going to see Nurse and Simpson make their debut, and possibly Ekblad too. Those seven names (Petry, Schultz, Marincin, Klefbom, Nurse, Simpson, possibly Ekblad) all have a chance to impact their NHL team in the next decade.

The early results are encouraging, this season’s debut by Marincin and now Klefbom give us a glimpse into a towering future. This could be fun, soon!

KEYS TO THE GAME

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JONES

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News yesterday that Ryan Jones’ season is over and the injury is a serious one. Jones found a home in Edmonton and played a lot of games in copper and white (and blue and orange), but I hope he’ll get another shot in a new town and that this injury doesn’t spell the end of the line.

Rockford vs. Barons 2-28-14It’s time for Tyler Pitlick to step up. I liked his last game (before injury) and word yesterday had him being available for the game today. Anton Lander has been showing some good things, time for Pitlick to keep things rolling. If MacT can count on some of these Barons next season to fill roles at the end of the roster, it allows him some leeway when addressing the front end of the roster. The fewer holes to fill the summer, the better the opportunity to fill them well.

NOTES

  • It would be nice for Ryan Smyth to get his PP goal tonight. There aren’t many things about this Oilers team that could make an old guy cry tears of joy, but this is one of them.
  • Nice to see the Nuge pick up a point or two down the stretch, that 1line looked good when they put the band back together the other night.
  • Klefbom can freaking fly. He’s a Jetson!
  • Marincin’s wingspan is a real comfort. He’s miles from being the full Marincin, but there’s a lot there to like. Oiler fans throw compliments toward Stu MacGregor once a decade, but I think that selection is worthy of a nod now. Right?
  • The failure of Alex Plante from the 2007 draft meant the gap between Petry in 2006 and the next true NHL defenseman (Marincin) was four draft years. In that time, MacGregor picked Eberle (2008) with his only top 100 pick, then took Paajarvi and Lander 1-2 in 2009. Troy Hesketh was a third round miss, but the next defender taken was Marincin. Seasons in which a team doesn’t have a second or third round pick—like 2008 or 2014—impact the future in significant ways.

 

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  1. Woodguy says:

    Great quote by Klef when asked if he’s going to be a stay at home Dman:

    At practice the day after scoring his first career goal, Klefbom was asked whether he was just going to be a stay-at-home defenceman at the NHL level.

    “We’ll see,” he said, pausing to consider his answer. “I want to be like a two-way defender, but obviously I want to make really good defence work first. It depends; if I play with Justin [Schultz] I will take a little more defence work, to cover him up. But like I said, I want to be a guy who can follow up rushes and make a good first pass.”

    Ha!

    Already knows he has to be 1.5 Dmen when on the ice with Shultz.

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/03/30/will-oscar-klefbom-top-out-as-a-stay-at-home-defenceman-for-the-edmonton-oilers/

  2. Lowetide says:

    Schultz is taking some heavy hits from the blogs this season, and it’s deserved. I do think his numbers would be more effective if he was used less. His total TOI numbers are wildly out of time with his ability to play those minutes. Probably the largest gap in the league in terms of effectiveness/minutes played.

    That’s not on Schultz.

  3. Woodguy says:

    Yesterday on twitter, Mike Parkatti was looking for a WOWY for Hall for the last 22 games.

    I got involved and asked David Johnson, who’s site stats.hockeyanalysis.com is the holy grail of WOWY info, to run it.

    He did and emailed me and Mike the spread sheet.

    Here is Hall’s CF% WOWY for the last 22 games: (Small sample size alert!)

    Player —CF% With—-CF% Without—Difference with Hall

    GAGNER, SAM 46.6 38 +8.6
    NUGENT-HOPKINS, RYAN 47.4 43.2 +4.2
    SCHULTZ, JUSTIN 47.2 37.1 +10.1
    PERRON, DAVID 48.2 37.5 +10.7
    MARINCIN, MARTIN 52.5 46 +6.5
    PETRY, JEFF 45.5 47.3 -1.8
    EBERLE, JORDAN 42.3 44.3 -2
    FERENCE, ANDREW 47.1 37.9 +9.2
    SCHULTZ, NICK 43.5 41.3 +2.2
    FRASER, MARK 40.8 43.2 -2.4
    YAKUPOV, NAIL 51.1 37.5 +13.6
    KLEFBOM, OSCAR 47.4 41.2 +6.2
    HEMSKY, ALES 50.7 49 +1.7
    BELOV, ANTON 44 35 +9
    LARSEN, PHILIP 53.1 34.8 +18.3

    Hall’s the engine that makes the Oilers go eh?

    Seeing Jultz and Ference under 38% without Hall should be very disturbing to MacT

  4. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Schultz is taking some heavy hits from the blogs this season, and it’s deserved. I do think his numbers would be more effective if he was used less. His total TOI numbers are wildly out of time with his ability to play those minutes. Probably the largest gap in the league in terms of effectiveness/minutes played.

    That’s not on Schultz.

    I agree with that all day.

    He’s playing 1st or 2nd and should be playing 3rd and Ference isn’t exactly a soft pillow to rely upon.

    That being said, Klef’s comment is still funny.

    A player 5 games into his career or so talking about covering for Jultz.

    You have to see the comedy there.

  5. Halfwise says:

    Marincin’s numbers look good against tough competition, and so do Klefbom’s, in a tiny tiny sample. Can we take any hope and comfort at all from this?

    It’s the opposite of watching Chorney and Strudwick fishing the puck out of their net time after time. That started as a small sample too but it was crap from day 1 and never got better.

    OKC coaching staff includes only Nelson as a former defenseman. Is he Charlie Huddy to this generation of prospects? Is it possible that he does things few other coaches can do for young defensemen?

    And is the “it takes 200 games to raise a child to an NHL D-man” theme such a law of nature that the team needs to trade an Eberle for two years or so of someone else’s top pairing D? Am I alone in wondering / wishing / hoping that we have some sort of long term cure right here in the house already?

  6. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Schultz is taking some heavy hits from the blogs this season, and it’s deserved. I do think his numbers would be more effective if he was used less. His total TOI numbers are wildly out of time with his ability to play those minutes. Probably the largest gap in the league in terms of effectiveness/minutes played.

    That’s not on Schultz.

    I think the Oilers see it too in how Eakins set the pairs vs. ANA

    Ference-Petry
    Marincin-Belov
    Klefbom-Shultz

    I think we see those again tonight.

  7. Woodguy says:

    From the 22 game info:

    CA/20 (corsi events against per 20 min) of all Oiler D away from Hall

    Shultz 24.43
    Marincin 19.18
    Petry 19.49
    Ference 20.98
    Nulz 20.3
    Fraser 22.1
    Klef 20.07
    Belov 24.88
    Larsen 22.67

    Shultz’s CA/20 for the year is 21.51 (215 out of 224 NHL Dmen who have played 300 5v5 min or more)

    Worst in the NHL this year is Phaneuf with 23.18

    Tough stretch of games for Badger.

  8. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: I think the Oilers see it too in how Eakins set the pairs vs. ANA

    Ference-Petry
    Marincin-Belov
    Klefbom-Shultz

    I think we see those again tonight.

    Agreed. And that’s a good sign. There’s probably a defenseman out there—and it might be Klefbom—who can play top 4D with Schultz and do it well. However those days need to be down the line. That duo as a third pairing isn’t ideal—hell boys Klefbom would get a much softer landing in another NHL city—but it is what it is.

    Schultz doesn’t have a lot of NHL experience, but he is an older player. One would hope a reduction in minutes, an easier path and more structure will give better results next season.

  9. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Agreed. And that’s a good sign. There’s probably a defenseman out there—and it might be Klefbom—who can play top 4D with Schultz and do it well. However those days need to be down the line. That duo as a third pairing isn’t ideal—hell boys Klefbom would get a much softer landing in another NHL city—but it is what it is.

    Schultz doesn’t have a lot of NHL experience, but he is an older player. One would hope a reduction in minutes, an easier path and more structure will give better results next season.

    A coach Dman coach or perhaps an improvement in his coachability would help.

    I have no idea if they are trying to teach him some of the fundamentals or not, but seeing him make the same mistakes over and over again in the dzone is frustrating to watch.

    He seems to be allergic to getting hit to make a play and you just can’t be a successful NHL Dman that way.

  10. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: A coach Dman coach or perhaps an improvement in his coachability would help.

    I have no idea if they are trying to teach him some of the fundamentals or not, but seeing him make the same mistakes over and over again in the dzone is frustrating to watch.

    He seems to be allergic to getting hit to make a play and you just can’t be a successful NHL Dman that way.

    I think the Oilers love the guy, and may be saying “just keep doing what you’re doing.”

  11. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Marty St. Louis has 3 points in 13 games for the Rags. Maybe he should have just stayed in Tampa and kept feeding Stamkos pucks for the easy apples.

  12. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I’m a little ticked with you LT for trading the young blue yesterday at ON:

    http://oilersnation.com/2014/3/29/how-many-can-they-keep

    Bah, I say. BAH!

    ————–
    hard not to feel for Jones the guy and the fans that seemed to really enjoy him. I get that. I always liked the guy, seemed like a good, chipper chap. worked hard to build relations with the team and the fan-base.

    And, injuries are killer for even really good players, fringe players… death.

    I suspect he’ll get the Whitney treatment. Sign a PTO and end up with a 2-way that keeps him on the farm of some other team. Whitney actually seems to have taken it all in stride after blowing out of town. I hope Jones can do the same.

    all the best.

    ————-
    On Pitlick, I sit him tonight. Eakins has been mouthing about trying to get guys to play through injury. And, Pitlick is a guy I don’t let rush back. He’s going to be desperate to prove he’s not injury prone…

    IMO that’s when a GM/Coach looks bigger picture and takes the decision away from the player. One more game out minimum. there’s no rush.

    ——-
    “the full Marincin”

    I enjoyed this.

  13. blainer says:

    !st time poster LT. What do you think of going after Brian Boyle as a UFA. He had a good playoff run a couple of years ago. It seems everybody that is played with hall seems to do well. Do you think he has the speed to keep up with Hall? That would certainly solve the size down the middle problem. I know he is playing third and fourth line minutes now but he ads that element we could use not to mention his faceoff ability.

  14. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    On Schultz…

    My concern is all the talk of “most improved player” etc. from Eakins whenever he’s on with Stauffer.

    I wonder if they are “pumping tires” “believe he was somehow tragically, disgustingly worse last year” “actually see improvement” “actually see him as a top 4, or top 2 guy right now or for next season”

    uhhgh.

  15. Marcus Oilerius says:

    blainer,

    Boyle can’t maintain a regular 4th line spot on the Rangers. There’s no way he’d find himself as a pivot between Hall and Perron.

  16. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy:
    Yesterday on twitter, Mike Parkatti was looking for a WOWY for Hall for the last 22 games.

    I got involved and asked David Johnson, who’s site stats.hockeyanalysis.com is the holy grail of WOWY info, to run it.

    He did and emailed me and Mike the spread sheet.

    Here is Hall’s CF% WOWY for the last 22 games: (Small sample size alert!)

    Player —CF% With—-CF% Without—Difference with Hall

    GAGNER, SAM 46.6 38+8.6
    NUGENT-HOPKINS, RYAN 47.4 43.2 +4.2
    SCHULTZ, JUSTIN 47.2 37.1 +10.1
    PERRON, DAVID 48.2 37.5 +10.7
    MARINCIN, MARTIN 52.5 46 +6.5
    PETRY, JEFF 45.5 47.3 -1.8
    EBERLE, JORDAN 42.3 44.3 -2
    FERENCE, ANDREW 47.1 37.9 +9.2
    SCHULTZ, NICK 43.5 41.3 +2.2
    FRASER, MARK 40.8 43.2 -2.4
    YAKUPOV, NAIL 51.1 37.5 +13.6
    KLEFBOM, OSCAR 47.4 41.2 +6.2
    HEMSKY, ALES 50.7 49 +1.7
    BELOV, ANTON 44 35 +9
    LARSEN, PHILIP 53.1 34.8 +18.3

    Hall’s the engine that makes the Oilers go eh?

    Seeing Jultz and Ference under 38% without Hall should be very disturbing to MacT

    Interesting numbers.

    With regards to Schultz and Ference, though, I think that also has to do with their partners. Arguably, even with Hall on the ice, the blueline has been so imbalanced with players either on their off-wings or playing too high in the proverbial batting order, that those numbers would improve were they properly slotted on a depth chart.

    Case in point, Petry is no screaming hell with Hall on the ice either, but we know he’s been (Marincin notwithstanding) the Oilers’ best blueliner this season and so is probably getting the tough matchups along with Hall and the Corsi numbers are reflecting that.

    Go ahead and tell me if you think I’m misreading the numbers or am full of it, but that’s my initial take on the data.

    Next question: does Folin (Frolin? can’t recall right now) sign with the Oilers given their D-corps depth and imminent season’s end or choose a team with less depth or a near-certain chance at a playoff run this year? Adding him would allow MacTavish to move a LD for help or D upgrade perhaps, but it seems the team’s defensive prospect depth might work against them here.

  17. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    blainer:
    !sttime poster LT. What do you think of going after Brian Boyle as a UFA. He had a good playoff run a couple of years ago. It seems everybody that is played with hall seems to do well. Do you think he has the speed to keep up with Hall? That would certainly solve the size down the middle problem. I know he is playing third and fourth line minutes now but he ads that element we could use not to mention his faceoff ability.

    I like boyle.

    But, I’d keep him the hell away from Hall. I’d play him on the 4th line, just like NYR and give him a 2 year deal c. 1.8

    http://www.capgeek.com/player/1020

    interesting how much better he plays with Strallman/Staal than with McDonaugh/Girardi

    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=879&withagainst=true&season=2013-14&sit=5v5

  18. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 1m
    Yakupov (ankle) had a setback with some swelling after skating yesterday. Coach Eakins does not have a projected return date for him.

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 3m
    Winger Tyler Pitlick, who left Friday’s game with a leg injury, is good to go for tonight’s #Oilers matchup with #NYR.

  19. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I keep thinking the Oilers see Schultz as a Yandle-sort of blueliner. Not a stud, but one darn fine offensive option for a d-corps.

  20. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers1m
    Yakupov (ankle) had a setback with some swelling after skating yesterday. Coach Eakins does not have a projected return date for him.

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers3m
    Winger Tyler Pitlick, who left Friday’s game with a leg injury, is good to go for tonight’s #Oilers matchup with #NYR.

    Can’t wait to see how this is spun into “Yakupov sitting due to injury while good old Pitlick plays through it”.

    I hope Yakupov gets in before the end of the season. Hey, look at that, the last game of the year is against the Canucks…I wonder…

    ;)

  21. freedomisamyth says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    On Schultz…

    My concern is all the talk of “most improved player” etc. from Eakins whenever he’s on with Stauffer.

    I wonder if they are “pumping tires” “believe he was somehow tragically, disgustingly worse last year” “actually see improvement” “actually see him as a top 4, or top 2 guy right now or for next season”

    uhhgh.

    I actually think he has improved in a lot of areas, like his coverage and not pinching in stupid spots anymore. Unfortunately he hasn’t been able to improve much on his biggest issues in the D zone, winning battles, and the panicked muffin around the boards, which he does disturbingly often for a guy who is as good a passer as he is. Those get him in way too much trouble.

    I’d guess they are probably happy he’s made the strides that he has, but I doubt they have any illusions that he doesn’t have a long way to go to be a top pairing defenseman.

  22. blainer says:

    Ya I kinda figured he would be too slow for Hall. I haven’t been following the rangers lately. Boy if we could put a strong fourth line together with Boyle that would help. Our fourth line always seems to get more exposed than most teams because of our weak defense especially our third pairing. Just don’t understand what they see in Fraser.

  23. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    RexLibris:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I keep thinking the Oilers see Schultz as a Yandle-sort of blueliner. Not a stud, but one darn fine offensive option for a d-corps.

    In that case, I wish they took WG’s advise to heart and had him 3rd pairing, 1st PP for 3-4 years.

  24. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    blainer: Just don’t understand what they see in Fraser.

    growl.

  25. Thinker says:

    I see a lot of similarities between sub ban and shultz. Subban has always been the kind to hold the puck too long, and he used to turn it over at the opponents blueline all the time. Shultz just needs a little more experience to cut down the turnovers. Not to mention, that when you are an offensive dman, and there isn’t a soul on the roster good enough to cover for you when you try to make a play, it’s pretty tough. Time will tell, but he was herculean in the ncaa and ahl, and I expect once the team finds some sort of balance, he will prove to be an important piece.

  26. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Rondo:
    Woodguy,

    Have you read this articleregarding Sean Couturier?

    http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2014/1/5/5269758/sean-couturier-vs-varying-levels-of-competition

    Great find. That actually paints him in a whole new light…

  27. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: In that case, I wish they took WG’s advise to heart and had him 3rd pairing, 1st PP for 3-4 years.

    Sure. So long as they take my advice and add Ekman-Larsson to push him down the lineup. ;)

    Schultz does need to play 2nd or 3rd pairing, but let’s be honest, the Oilers simply don’t have the players to do it.

    Let’s imagine for a moment that the Oilers hadn’t traded Gilbert, then he’d be playing further down the order and closer to his real ability at this stage in his career. Gilbert, Petry, Marincin, Schultz, Ference, Belov/Fraser. If they acquire someone like Fayne, Orpik, Markov, or Niskanen this summer it could help absorb some tough minutes and when his natural progression is factored in, could see a marked improvement in various aspects of his game.

  28. Marcus Oilerius says:

    BTW, if you guys really want to see an east/west disparity, check out the NBA. The Raptors just clinched a playoff spot and are third in the East. In the West, they’d be tenth.

  29. RexLibris says:

    Rondo:
    Woodguy,

    Have you read this articleregarding Sean Couturier?

    http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2014/1/5/5269758/sean-couturier-vs-varying-levels-of-competition

    Interesting read. Hopefully there are people in management who are aware of this and are using it to balance any return demands when discussing trades with Holmgren.

    I’d still like him as an Oiler, but it helps to deflate the trade hyperbole that surrounds this player.

  30. DeadmanWaking says:

    “Away from Hall” would have associated correlates such as “with Gagner” or “with Gordon” or “with Gadzic”. Watch that step back from H to G. It’s a big one.

    Many of these statistics are driven by our underlying feast-or-famine roster construction. That’s not going to change so long as we keep plucking lottery balls. Top selections get paid as puppies, cap-hit flat against value-delivered back-end loaded.

    Hall is our first phenom to break through to the promised land. I have faith in Nuge (only his “genetics” at the Hulk locus are holding him back), and even Yak still has potential to bloom late.

    Imagine if Yak was already trending to become a second Hall. Nothing but luck of the draft year. Hall himself lies at the bottom end of the bracket of “windfall” first overall draft selections.

    If you had the last twenty first overall selections in a giant hopper, and you fished out Hall, then Hall (Monty) offered you a “chance” to throw him back and select again, would you? Maybe.

    Nuge would get tossed back if you were swinging for RBI rather than OBP.

    Yakupov for certain.

    The 1st overall has the least volatility of busting out completely, but the greatest volatility in value received.

    Rank that list from Crosby to Daigle. Comparing adjacent rungs, in many cases would you be willing to trade down one rung if the other party threw in a Cogliano?

    I’m guessing the majority of these adjacent rungs differ by more than your standard-unit ANP equivalent. That’s roughly difference between a mid-second-round pick for the ages and one who completely washes out.

    Then you start doing WOWY differentials and wonder why the houseboat takes on water like that drunken crowd who decided to conduct group sprints from port rail to starboard rail and back again.

    The argument from black-ball threepeat is that the volatility of these picks is exceptionally low–considered from the vantage point of the strike-out potential–and therefore expectations can be firmly normalised.

    Don’t tell statistics. She won’t agree.

    Do that exercise again, considering only their first four years at ages 18-22. I don’t have a great intuitive sense myself of the step size equivalence, because what I can’t do by eye in ten minutes means it’s time to write code, and writing code is never less than half a day. It falls into my huge gap between the easy step up and the hard step up, that strange terrain where adding machine virtuosos rule the roost.

    PS: Several small edits. Damn fingers.

  31. danieldelair says:

    Perhaps somewhat off-topic, but longtime Habs reporter is glowing about Markov today. Interesting ammunition in the ongoing Markov vs. Niskanen or other potential FA options for the Oil this summer.

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Hickey+Hockey+Habs+should+give+Markov+three+year+contract/9674243/story.html

  32. slopitch says:

    For all the couturier talk here. The guy I think is the next couturier is grigerson. If Buf comes after Yak or the number 2/3, I target him and Risolenien.

    If that’s the case I can learn to spell their names ;)

  33. Lowetide says:

    Rondo:
    Woodguy,

    Have you read this articleregarding Sean Couturier?

    http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2014/1/5/5269758/sean-couturier-vs-varying-levels-of-competition

    It’s important to remember:

    1. He’s a young player, should be coming into his own soon
    2. Year-to-year stats can vary

    The general idea of Couturier as a player has been surrounded imo. Injury and deployment can impact, but his reputation is very well established and unlikely to be a mirage.

  34. jp says:

    Woodguy:

    That being said, Klef’s comment is still funny.

    A player 5 games into his career or so talking about covering for Jultz.

    You have to see the comedy there.

    I’ll take it as a good sign about where Klef’s head is at.

  35. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: I think the Oilers love the guy, and may be saying “just keep doing what you’re doing.”

    *punches wall*

  36. Lois Lowe says:

    My question is: how much of a regression can we expect from Marincin and Klefa next year?

  37. thejonrmcleod says:

    Has Christian Folin signed with an NHL team yet? If the Oilers could sign Folin and also drafted Ekblad, imagine their young D depth: Petry, Schultz, Marincin, Klefbom, Simpson, Nurse, Ekblad, and Folin.

  38. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris: Interesting numbers.

    With regards to Schultz and Ference, though, I think that also has to do with their partners. Arguably, even with Hall on the ice, the blueline has been so imbalanced with players either on their off-wings or playing too high in the proverbial batting order, that those numbers would improve were they properly slotted on a depth chart.

    Case in point, Petry is no screaming hell with Hall on the ice either, but we know he’s been (Marincin notwithstanding) the Oilers’ best blueliner this season and so is probably getting the tough matchups along with Hall and the Corsi numbers are reflecting that.

    Go ahead and tell me if you think I’m misreading the numbers or am full of it, but that’s my initial take on the data.

    Next question: does Folin (Frolin? can’t recall right now) sign with the Oilers given their D-corps depth and imminent season’s end or choose a team with less depth or a near-certain chance at a playoff run this year? Adding him would allow MacTavish to move a LD for help or D upgrade perhaps, but it seems the team’s defensive prospect depth might work against them here.

    There is no question these numbers are incomplete for coming to conclusions.

    Info needed:

    1) Who is their most common line when not with Hall
    2) What level of comp
    3) Zone start

    Interesting to look as these numbers and used them for jumping off points.

  39. frjohnk says:

    Lowtide,

    That Stanley Cup run in 06 not only used some future draft picks up, (06,07 and 08 we didn’t have many picks) but we also lost some significant assets to FA like Spacek, Peca, Samsonov etc.

    As much as I loved that 06 team, it depleted a lot of our future. We are still paying for it.

  40. Woodguy says:

    Rondo:
    Woodguy,

    Have you read this articleregarding Sean Couturier?

    http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2014/1/5/5269758/sean-couturier-vs-varying-levels-of-competition

    Good stuff.

    Excellent results for a 21 year old who’s most common F mates this year are Read and Downie.

    Love this player.

    I obviously disagree with the writer’s conclusions.

    What Couturier can do at 21 with the type of players that he does it with is outstanding.

    Perspective is important.

    The writer also fails to mention that Couturier has the toughest zone starts among Flyer C.

  41. Lowetide says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    Has Christian Folin signed with an NHL team yet? If the Oilers could sign Folin and also drafted Ekblad, imagine their young D depth: Petry, Schultz, Marincin, Klefbom, Simpson, Nurse, Ekblad, and Folin.

    He plays today. If his team loses, we may found out soonafter.

  42. Lowetide says:

    frjohnk:
    Lowtide,

    That Stanley Cup run in 06 not only used some future draft picks up, (06,07 and 08 we didn’t have many picks) but we also lost some significant assets to FA like Spacek, Peca, Samsonov etc.

    As much as I loved that 06 team, it depleted a lot of our future. We are still paying for it.

    The summer of 2006 was an absolute disaster.

  43. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris,

    I’d still like him as an Oiler, but it helps to deflate the trade hyperbole that surrounds this player.

    Couturier gets the toughest zone starts.
    Plays the toughest comp.
    Has meh/ok forwards to help (Read is good, others not as much)
    Scores 1.76pts/60 5v5 (would be 5th on the Oilers)
    Does all of this when he’s 21.

    Is slightly worse and in other cases slightly better than other NHLers who see the same guys.

    How is this disappointing?

  44. Woodguy says:

    DeadmanWaking,

    “Away from Hall” would have associated correlates such as “with Gagner” or “with Gordon” or “with Gadzic”. Watch that step back from H to G. It’s a big one.

    Hall’s most common line mate during the 22 games is Gagner.

    So in this case “away from Hall” is also away from Gagner for the most part.

  45. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide: The summer of 2006 was an absolute disaster.

    I’d say the Pronger departure had as much or more to do with this than the cup run itself.

  46. Woodguy says:

    So despite scoring 16 power play goals, Ekblad finishes his draft year with less pts/gm than Bogosian who only scored 6 PP goals his draft year.

    Ekblad also plays on a decent team, whereas Bogo lead his team in scoring.

    I still think Bogo is a much better comp for Ekblad than the blue sky comps of Weber etc.

  47. Lowetide says:

    Acton (Fedun, Pinizzotto)

  48. Lowetide says:

    theres oil in virginia: I’d say the Pronger departure had as much or more to do with this than the cup run itself.

    plus shutting out Smyth by not re-signing him. It was weird.

  49. Gino says:

    Jones came across as a good guy and worked hard and it’s too bad it had to end this way for him and I think this is that last we will see from him as an Oiler, take care Jones.
    Klefbom and Marincin have been just so positive as new guys that it makes me want to see less of Ference, Belov, Larson and Fraser.
    That 2007 draft still hurts today with the Plante and Nash picks which were a kick to the nads.

  50. speeds says:

    Obviously you want to be careful in terms of what you draw from small sample sizes, but how much does the play of Marincin and Klefbom down the stretch and through the rest of the year impact MacT’s thoughts for the D in 14/15?

    Does he have to be careful about solving a problem from the past, this summer? Do you really want to commit 4 or 5 years and a ton of money to a player if Klefbom and/or Marincin are close to taking over their role the day they are signed?

  51. jp says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    I’m a little ticked with you LT for trading the young blue yesterday at ON:

    http://oilersnation.com/2014/3/29/how-many-can-they-keep

    Bah, I say. BAH!

    And then you suggested Petry might be the odd one out today:
    http://oilersnation.com/2014/3/30/justin-schultz-framing-the-issue

    On the latter point, I agree that a big fish UFA D (eg – Markov) might not leave enough cap space to re-sign both Schultz and Petry. But shouldn’t that be an argument to tone it down a little (both in quality and cost) to allow the team to keep Petry and “new guy”?

    Isn’t
    Hainsey-Petry
    Marincin-Schultz
    Klefbom-Ference

    Better than
    Markov-Schultz
    Marincin-Ference
    Klefbom-Fraser

    Markov is supposed to be a stopgap, and would instantly the the best D on the team. But bringing him in stops making sense in a hurry if it means sending away the only established top 4 D currently on the team. Seems like a lateral move to me…

  52. Woodguy says:

    speeds:
    Obviously you want to be careful in terms of what you draw from small sample sizes, but how much does the play of Marincin and Klefbom down the stretch and through the rest of the year impact MacT’s thoughts for the D in 14/15?

    Does he have to be careful about solving a problem from the past, this summer?Do you really want to commit 4 or 5 years and a ton of money to a player if Klefbom and/or Marincin are close to taking over their role the day they are signed?

    I don’t think you can wrong with signing a 1LD for 2 years on a over pay.

    Klef getting worked in slowly is ok.

    Ference getting HS is he’s the 4th option on the left side is ok too.

  53. LostBoy says:

    This is OT, and most people probably understand this, but I’m reading tons and tons of articles that say the Oilers are most likely to pick 2nd or 3rd at the draft. They’re not, given the way the draft now works.

    If they maintain their current 29th overall standing, they are most likely to draft 3rd. They’ll have an 18.8% chance of 1st, a 25.0% chance of 2nd, and a 56.2% chance of 3rd.

    If they pass Florida and finish 28th overall, they’ll have a 14.2% chance of first, a 43.8% chance of 3rd, and a 42% chance of 4th.

    If they finish second last, the most likely outcome is to pick 3rd.

    If they finish third last, the mostly likely outcomes are to pick 3rd or 4th.

  54. Gino says:

    Woodguy: I don’t think you can wrong with signing a 1LD for 2 years on a over pay.

    Klef getting worked in slowly is ok.

    Ference getting HS is he’s the 4th option on the left side is ok too.

    Yes, this.

  55. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide: plus shutting out Smyth by not re-signing him. It was weird.

    I almost stopped being an Oilers fan that day. In fact, I think I swore them off and just gradually softened my stance as time went on. I got a thick skin out of the deal (at least in regards to all-things-Oilers). I mean, for example, they traded Ryan Smyth in his prime over nothing!, so keeping Arco on the farm seems small by comparison.

  56. speeds says:

    Who is the 1LD you can sign for 2 years on an overpay? And is that substantially better than waiting until July 15 and signing this year’s Gilbert/Hainsey and allocating the remaining $$ to a F or two?

  57. VanOil says:

    Lost is some of my admittedly dubious fantasy trades for D a few days back was the following youth D to NHL progression. The Marincin model you get full time a NHL job after 1.5 years in the NHL.

    Kelfbom to get full time a NHL job after 1.5 years in the NHL when he can beat whoever the Oilers next year have playing #6D (Belov). As his name sake Wy(K)lef told Dillon I hope he is gone until at least November. http://youtu.be/kI6MWZrl8v8

    Simpson to get full time a NHL job after 1.5 years in the NHL when he can beat Ference out for an NHL Job. (allowing Ference to rest his old bones in the press box for playoff cover)

    Nurse to get full time a NHL job after 1.5 years in the NHL when he can beat out one of our top 4D.

    Imagine an Oilers team that is hard to make and adds a 21 year old 220lb Darnell Nurse. Music.

  58. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Woodguy:
    So despite scoring 16 power play goals, Ekblad finishes his draft year with less pts/gm than Bogosian who only scored 6 PP goals his draft year.

    Ekblad also plays on a decent team, whereas Bogo lead his team in scoring.

    I still think Bogo is a much better comp for Ekblad than the blue sky comps of Weber etc.

    Doughty had 50 in 58 in his draft year. 3rd highest scorer and best player on a mediocre team.

  59. Gino says:

    theres oil in virginia: I almost stopped being an Oilers fan that day.In fact, I think I swore them off and just gradually softened my stance as time went on.I got a thick skin out of the deal (at least in regards to all-things-Oilers).I mean, for example, they traded Ryan Smyth in his prime over nothing!, so keeping Arco on the farm seems small by comparison.

    And the sad part is all they received in return was Nilsson, O’Marra (pro scouting lacking a little here)and a first round pick which was later was wasted on Plante in 2007.

  60. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy:
    RexLibris,

    I’d still like him as an Oiler, but it helps to deflate the trade hyperbole that surrounds this player.

    Couturier gets the toughest zone starts.
    Plays the toughest comp.
    Has meh/ok forwards to help (Read is good, others not as much)
    Scores 1.76pts/60 5v5 (would be 5th on the Oilers)
    Does all of this when he’s 21.

    Is slightly worse and in other cases slightly better than other NHLers who see the same guys.

    How is this disappointing?

    Not disappointing, but there was a discussion a few days ago with Cameron here about how much the Oilers would have to give up to get Couturier and I think looking at some of these numbers may help to make everyone make more objective evaluations.

  61. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide: plus shutting out Smyth by not re-signing him. It was weird.

    I wonder if the treatment of Smyth version 1 was the straw that broke the camels back in that the hockey gods then punished the oilers as we pretty much lost every major trade up until Perron.

  62. VanOil says:

    speeds:
    Does he have to be careful about solving a problem from the past, this summer?Do you really want to commit 4 or 5 years and a ton of money to a player if Klefbom and/or Marincin are close to taking over their role the day they are signed?

    Agreed. I am less concerned about 4 to 5 years if it is a 25 they bring in for too much money but a player 30+ for too much money and term seems like solving last years problem.

  63. thejonrmcleod says:

    Gino: And the sad part is all they received in return was Nilsson, O’Marra (pro scouting lacking a little here)and a first round pick was later was wasted on Plante in 2007.

    But when you really think about it, the Oilers received the equivalent of 3 first round picks for Smyth.

  64. Gino says:

    Marcus Oilerius: Doughty had 50 in 58 in his draft year.3rd highest scorer and best player on a mediocre team.

    What was even more Incredible was the 74 points prior to his draft year.

  65. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Gino: What was even more Incredible was the 74 points prior to his draft year.

    edit: On a much worse team! Wow, my bad. For some reason I thought they’d won the Memorial Cup the year before he was drafted.

  66. theres oil in virginia says:

    thejonrmcleod: But when you really think about it, the Oilers received the equivalent of 3 first round picks for Smyth.

    All of whom finished up their NHL career prior to Smyth.

  67. Gino says:

    thejonrmcleod: But when you really think about it, the Oilers practically got 3 first round picks for Smyth.

    Yes this is true in theory but they had their backs up against the wall because they let the negotiations go right to the trade deadline. I think they had more options to chose from the Islanders farm team. IMO I would of preferred a Blake Comeau and Kyle Okposo and that 2007 first round pick.

  68. thejonrmcleod says:

    I didn’t think my comment on the Smyth trade would be taken seriously.

  69. VanOil says:

    Schultz reminds me most of Brian Campbell. Campbell has had a very successful and financially rewarding NHL career. I hope the for the same for Schultz. But given the style of play differences, East to West, he might be better suited to Eastern conference play (As would Gagner). Trading away Schultz or Petry would open up more holes in the Oilers porous defense but Jultz might bring back a better suited player in return. Mind you it could also return Nultz.

  70. Gino says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    I didn’t think my comment on the Smyth trade would be taken seriously.

    It was a turning point for the franchise as it set the mood for future things K.Lowe would do with trading or re-signing players.

  71. Lowetide says:

    Ben Eager scored. Stop all the clocks.

  72. spoiler says:

    Would you rather have a Draisaitl that we are going to have to wait on for three years, or a Couturier who has already done most of his developing?

    Philly has to be pretty interested in making a splash at the draft table, being the gracious hosts and all.

    If Ekblad is still on the table when the Oilers step up to the mic, doesn’t Philly have to be pretty damn interested in making a deal?

    Offer them the 1st in return for their choice of trading away either Schenn or Couturier. Sweeten it a little with Philly’s choice of a Gernat-range prospect. Philly gets the young stud defenseman they desperately crave, the draft splash, room to play LeCav at the C position…

    I don’t know if that is enough to get Philly to dance, but the phone call has to be made. In my mind, it would be crazy to draft Draisaitl when there is a chance at a little bit older player with a similar skillset who can slot in immediately.

  73. theres oil in virginia says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    I didn’t think my comment on the Smyth trade would be taken seriously.

    Ha! You caught me off-guard. An exclamation point or a smiley face would have tipped me off.

  74. Lowetide says:

    thejonrmcleod: But when you really think about it, the Oilers received the equivalent of 3 first round picks for Smyth.

    I need your exact location.

  75. justDOit says:

    Lowetide:
    Ben Eager scored. Stop all the clocks.

    Hey… mine is stopped, but it’s stopped on the right time. Imagine that.

  76. godot10 says:

    Lowetide:
    Schultz is taking some heavy hits from the blogs this season, and it’s deserved. I do think his numbers would be more effective if he was used less. His total TOI numbers are wildly out of time with his ability to play those minutes. Probably the largest gap in the league in terms of effectiveness/minutes played.

    That’s not on Schultz.

    Schultz needs to play with a defensive partner who can break the opposition cycle. Klefbom is the first guy that he has played with who can do that. Plus, Klefbom has the skating abilitty and size to close gaps caused by Schultz’s adventures. And Klef can handle the puck so Schultz will also have a pass option that he hasn’t had till now.

    I think we may finally get to see a Schultz not weighed down by circumstances. Klefbom’s strengths mesh extremely well with Schultz’s deficiencies.

  77. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide:
    Ben Eager scored. Stop all the clocks.

    I’m pretty sure they stopped all by themselves.

  78. Gino says:

    Gino: It was a turning point for the franchise as it set the mood for future things K.Lowe would do with trading or re-signing players.

    Next to go July of the same year were Jason Smith (heart and soul Oiler) and Lupul who was young and full of potential but Lowe traded them away and we let Sykora walk. So now were are minus Smyth, Sykora, an up and comer in Lupul and one of our best d – men in Smith gone.

  79. Rondo says:

    Woodguy,

    Regarding Sean C.

    I agree with you 100%

  80. Lowetide says:

    Pinnizzotto scored, Curtis Hamilton with an assist.

  81. Gino says:

    godot10: Schultz needs to play with a defensive partner who can break the opposition cycle.Klefbom is the first guy that he has played with who can do that. Plus, Klefbom has the skating abilitty and size to close gaps caused by Schultz’s adventures. And Klef can handle the puck so Schultz will also have a pass option that he hasn’t had till now.

    I think we may finally get to see a Schultz not weighed down by circumstances.Klefbom’s strengths mesh extremely well with Schultz’s deficiencies.

    I would also like to see us stop this 1-3-1 power play setup and use Marincin/Schultz on the first unit and Petry/Klefbom on the second unit. Please no more Ference on the power play and let him only kill penalties.

  82. thejonrmcleod says:

    The Barons are ahead 3-2, thanks to 33.3% shooting.

  83. Lois Lowe says:

    theres oil in virginia: All of whom finished up their NHL career prior to Smyth.

    That is probably the saddest indictment of that trade I have ever heard.

  84. Hammers says:

    Lowetide: Agreed. And that’s a good sign. There’s probably a defenseman out there—and it might be Klefbom—who can play top 4D with Schultz and do it well. However those days need to be down the line. That duo as a third pairing isn’t ideal—hell boys Klefbom would get a much softer landing in another NHL city—but it is what it is.

    Schultz doesn’t have a lot of NHL experience, but he is an older player. One would hope a reduction in minutes, an easier path and more structure will give better results next season.

    I wonder how Nelson used Schultz in OKL along with Marincin

  85. Lowetide says:

    Hammers: I wonder how Nelson used Schultz in OKL along with Marincin

    That was basically an all-star team, I’m not sure what we can learn from those games. This season and last in the NHL, he looks like a rover-blue, and that means chaos. You can deal with that, but need a strong partner and also to pick your spots.

    The Oilers are rolling him like he’s Giordano. He is not.

  86. Hammers says:

    Lowetide: That was basically an all-star team, I’m not sure what we can learn from those games. This season and last in the NHL, he looks like a rover-blue, and that means chaos. You can deal with that, but need a strong partner and also to pick your spots.

    The Oilers are rolling him like he’s Giordano. He is not.

    That was also a team that nearly everyone thought Schultz carried Marincin . Now I’m not so sure as that team did nearly as well after Schultz & the # 1 line left . Maybe Nelson deserves more credit than he gets . P.S. Hope like hell McT doesn’t trade Gernat .

  87. Lowetide says:

    Hammers: That was also a team that nearly everyone thought Schultz carried Marincin . Now I’m not so sure as that team did nearly as well after Schultz & the # 1 line left . Maybe Nelson deserves more credit than he gets . P.S. Hope like hell McT doesn’t trade Gernat .

    Well, ALL of the NHL guys left all the other teams too, so it was a different league.

  88. prairieschooner says:

    Can the Oilers improve with 4 number Dmen rather than 2 ones and 2 twos
    Is it cheaper to over pay for #2 Dmen than the fabled #1 Dman
    If breaking the cycle has been problematic for the team this year how do we fix it?

  89. OilClog says:

    Schultz needs to tie his chin strap up and man up.

    If the rookie is coming in and calling out Schultz’s defensive game like that… Why is he in the show.. I know why he’s in the show.. But why is he in the show?!?

    WG.. Yaks numbers being over 50% with Hall and Eberle being less with Hall is exactly what I’ve been seeing on the ice. Same way last year ended, I have no idea why Yak and Hall aren’t paired together always. There is nothing more lethal then those two rolling together, it’s beautiful.

  90. OilClog says:

    Lowetide: That was basically an all-star team, I’m not sure what we can learn from those games. This season and last in the NHL, he looks like a rover-blue, and that means chaos. You can deal with that, but need a strong partner and also to pick your spots.

    The Oilers are rolling him like he’s Giordano. He is not.

    Would you trade the pick for Gio?

  91. TheOtherJohn says:

    OilClog: Would you trade the pick for Gio?

    Doesnt matter Calgary wouldn’t do it

  92. Marcus Oilerius says:

    thejonrmcleod: But when you really think about it, the Oilers received the equivalent of 3 first round picks for Smyth.

    Lowetide: I need your exact location.

    The tragic part is that you’re both right. This is one of those exceedingly rare deals where two inept managers managed to be so good at being so bad, that they both lost.

    The Islanders gave up several of their most recent top draft choices and their first round pick for a quarter of a season of Smyth, and the Oilers dealt for the wrong guys and managed to draft the wrong guy, too. Not that it would have mattered if they did draft the right players, the Oil would not have been able to develop Pacioretty or Brendan Smith at the time, anyway.

    That said, it’s not like Smyth accomplished much in either Colorado or LA afterwards, and his contract was a blatant overpayment, but he likely would have been good enough to guarantee that the Oilers would have been proud to select, with the 6th overall pick in the 2010 NHL Entry Draft, from the Prince George Cougars, Brett Connolly.

  93. Numenius says:

    OilClog: Would you trade the pick for Gio?

    I would in a heartbeat. He’s exactly the elite D the Oilers need right now and there’s no guarantee the pick would ever develop to that level.

  94. Gino says:

    OilClog:
    Schultz needs to tie his chin strap up and man up.

    If the rookie is coming in and calling out Schultz’s defensive game like that… Why is he in the show.. I know why he’s in the show.. But why is he in the show?!?

    WG.. Yaks numbers being over 50% with Hall and Eberle being less with Hall is exactly what I’ve been seeing on the ice. Same way last year ended, I have no idea why Yak and Hall aren’t paired together always. There is nothing more lethal then those two rolling together, it’s beautiful.

    I really like Schultz his skating and stick handling is among the best in the league and is still getting better but it’s so hard to cover up for his defensive deficiencies playing so high in the order.

  95. El Duderino says:

    On TSN The Reporters today discussion re Canadian NHL teams not being in the playoffs and no Stanley since Montreal in 1993. About 4 years ago I posted that this could largely be attributed to U.S. teams management were better businessmen than their Canadian counterparts. One panel member’s opinion is that Canadian management is incompetent. So this basically jibes with my postulation. I was excoriated 4 years ago for my opinion. So after 4 more years experience I think my posit is even stronger.
    I also note (in a purely humorous way) that Montreal is unlike the other Canadian teams.
    So why are the U.S. teams doing so much better? Surely it’s more than just a statistical aberration.
    Perhaps it’s largely due to the bright lights and better climate i.e. UFAs wanting to be in the U.S. It’s not the money.
    Since 2000 would the Oilers (and their fans) have been better off with say Lombardi or Lamoriello than Lowe/Katz/EIG/Tambo?

  96. Lois Lowe says:

    OilClog: Would you trade the pick for Gio?

    I think Gio should be in the running for the Norris this year. He’s been phenomenal.

  97. Gino says:

    El Duderino:
    On TSN The Reporters today discussion re Canadian NHL teams not being in the playoffs and no Stanleysince Montreal in 1993. About 4 years ago I posted that this could largely be attributed to U.S. teams management were better businessmen than their Canadian counterparts. One panel member’s opinion is that Canadian management is incompetent. So this basically jibes with my postulation. I was excoriated 4 years ago for my opinion. So after 4 more years experience I think my posit is even stronger.I also note (in a purely humorous way) that Montreal is unlike the other Canadian teams.
    So why are the U.S. teams doing so much better? Surely it’s more than just a statistical aberration.
    Perhaps it’s largely due to the bright lights and better climate i.e. UFAs wanting to be in the U.S. It’s not the money.
    Since2000 would the Oilers (and their fans) have been better off with say Lombardi or Lamoriello than Lowe/Katz/EIG/Tambo?

    Montreal unlike the other Canadian teams (how so?) N.Y.I , Florida, Buffalo are American teams and they are terrible!

  98. speeds says:

    OilClog: Would you trade the pick for Gio?

    No, he’s not signed long enough.

    TheOtherJohn: Doesnt matter Calgary wouldn’t do it.

    I could be wrong, but I think they’d do it. How good can they expect to be in the two years they have Giordano under contract, vs. the 7 years of a top 4 pick they’d get via trade?

  99. Lowetide says:

    Christ people have long memories. “I was skewered five years ago here” WHO REMEMBERS THAT!!?!!? I don’t remember Saturday!!!

  100. Gino says:

    Lois Lowe: I think Gio should be in the running for the Norris this year. He’s been phenomenal.

    He has really carried the team on his back and is their M.V.P this year.

  101. Marcus Oilerius says:

    El Duderino,

    I think it’s partly the fanbase. On the one hand, perennial losers are able to fill arenas without icing competitive teams. The Flames clinging onto Iginla, for example. So there’s less pressure for improvement there, in a sense.

    On the other hand, the pressure from the fans on the management and players is ridiculous. I could not play in Canada. Having seen life in the States, particularly where hockey isn’t a big deal, it’s got to be so much nicer for the players. The fans show up and cheer when it matters, and when the team sucks, people go outside and enjoy the sun rather than boo and throw jerseys on the ice.

    Then there’s the media climate. Who here wants to explain themselves to the Toronto, Edmonton, Vancouver, Montreal or Winnipeg media?

  102. sliderule says:

    Woodguy:
    So despite scoring 16 power play goals, Ekblad finishes his draft year with less pts/gm than Bogosian who only scored 6 PP goals his draft year.

    Ekblad also plays on a decent team, whereas Bogo lead his team in scoring.

    I still think Bogo is a much better comp for Ekblad than the blue sky comps of Weber etc.

    I actually think Weber is a better comparison both in size and shot.

    What kind of player he is going to be is with the gods.

    Doughty in his draft year only got 4 es goals.In the year before he got 21goals only 6 were es.

    It’s pretty much a given that high scoring defenceman pile up points on pp.

    Ekblad got 23 goals this year and 16 were on pp but that is not a negative.

    Ekblad was rated best defensive and offensive defenceman and best shot and hardest shot in his conference by OHL coaches.That is an impressive resume for the draft.

    In saying all that I think he would be totally wrong pick for oilers.

    The oiler prospect strength is on defence.They have no forward prospects in AHL or junior who project to score.The oilers are near the bottom in scoring and would need to score 50 more goals to move into the top five teams.

    The oilers need to fix the centre position and bolster team scoring for the long term.

  103. Gino says:

    L.T.
    What’s the chance of the Oil signing Erik Gustafsson this summer he did seem to show well in the top Swedish league this year and if they don’t is he a free agent.

  104. Woodguy says:

    speeds:
    Who is the 1LD you can sign for 2 years on an overpay? And is that substantially better than waiting until July 15 and signing this year’s Gilbert/Hainsey and allocating the remaining $$ to a F or two?

    Any FA D that is good will need to be overpaid to come to EDM.

    Their 30,30,29,26,29 record isn’t attractive.

    Hainsey would be ok.

  105. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris: Not disappointing, but there was a discussion a few days ago with Cameron here about how much the Oilers would have to give up to get Couturier and I think looking at some of these numbers may help to make everyone make more objective evaluations.

    I think that post helps the case that Couts is a reall NHL C at only 21, which is what the Oilers need.

    I think Eberle is a slight overpay, but not by much.

  106. Gino says:

    Woodguy: Any FA D that is good will need to be overpaid to come to EDM.

    Their 30,30,29,26,29 record isn’t attractive.

    Hainsey would be ok.

    If this team just added one more guy with over 400 games experience who knew a lick about playing defence that would be an improvement and would bump everyone down a notch.

  107. Woodguy says:

    Marcus Oilerius: Doughty had 50 in 58 in his draft year.3rd highest scorer and best player on a mediocre team.

    That is true, but he also destroyed the league in his draft -1 year.

  108. speeds says:

    Woodguy: Any FA D that is good will need to be overpaid to come to EDM.

    Their 30,30,29,26,29 record isn’t attractive.

    Hainsey would be ok.

    Overpaid is relative.

    They might still have to “overpay” this year’s Gilbert to get him signed on July 15th, but that probably isn’t in the same ballpark as the overpay required to land the more touted names like Markov, Orpik, Callahan, Vanek, and Stastny.

  109. Woodguy says:

    VanOil:
    Schultz reminds me most of Brian Campbell. Campbell has had a very successful and financially rewarding NHL career. I hope the for the same for Schultz. But given the style of play differences, East to West, he might be better suited to Eastern conference play (As would Gagner). Trading away Schultz or Petry would open up more holes in the Oilers porous defense but Jultz might bring back a better suited player in return. Mind you it could also return Nultz.

    I hope like hell that Shultz turns into Campbell.

    Great Dman in CHI as well as in FLA.

    He’s a good example of not needing to be big to stop the cycle, get the puck and move it up ice.

    Very, very good player.

    Campbell has 2 years left and is a slight overpay.

    I think he’d be damn close to what the Oilers need for 2 years.

    What do you pay to get him?

  110. Gino says:

    sliderule: I actually think Weber is a better comparison both in size and shot.

    What kind of player he is going to be is with the gods.

    Doughty in his draft year only got 4 es goals.In the year before he got21goals only 6 were es.

    It’s pretty much a given that high scoring defenceman pile up points on pp.

    Ekblad got 23 goals this year and 16 were on pp but that is not a negative.

    Ekblad was rated best defensive and offensive defenceman and bestshot and hardest shot in his conference by OHL coaches.That is an impressive resume for the draft.

    In saying all that I think he would be totally wrong pick for oilers.

    The oiler prospect strength is on defence.They have no forward prospects in AHL or junior who project to score.The oilers are near the bottom in scoring and would need to score 50 more goals to move into the top five teams.

    The oilers need to fix the centre position and bolster team scoring for the long term.

    The depth at center is brutal. Lets see what we have Nuge, Gagner (who possibly will be moved) Gordon, Smyth ( a natural left winger), Lander (unproven), Arco (who will be UFA) and then ? We need more center depth. Ekblad would be nice but the future requirements are at center.

  111. Gerta Rauss says:

    Slightly different take on the same quote from Klefbom-he said basically the same thing twice in the scrum, the quote below was early in the scrum, the later quote omitted the “if he goes up on the rush” and the “I was told to take a little more defensive work”. Anyway, it’s not the Zapruder film or anything but it does play a little differently when taken in context.

    Scrum is here:
    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=589833&catid=4

    Klefbom played alongside Justin Schultz on Friday — a possible preview of what’s to come next season with the two young guns.

    “Justin’s a very good skater, and before the game I was told to take a little more defensive work to cover him up if he goes up on the rush,” said the six-foot-three, 210-pound Klefbom, admitting that Schultz’s get-up-in-the-rush style sometimes caught him off-guard. He did wonder where he was going a few times against the Ducks.

    “Yeah, exactly … that’s the thing about Justin. He’s a tremendous skater,” said Klefbom, who sees himself more like Swedish defenceman Niklas Hjalmarsson than whiz-kid puck-mover Erik Karlsson.

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/edmonton-oilers/Klefbom+first+goal+sparks+celebration/9677733/story.html

  112. Jon K says:

    I think we are setting ourselves up for disappointment comparing Ekblad to Weber and Doughty.

    This is a weak draft year and the comparisons to Chris Phillips don’t inspire confidence. The mere fact that there are doubts about his potential distinguishes him from Doughty as a draft prospect.

    I think a good comparison for Ekblad in terms of career, production, and effectiveness might be Brad Stuart.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=28857

    Good hockey player, is capable of being a top pairing defenceman on most teams. However, probably never going to be considered one of the top players in his position at the NHL level.

  113. Woodguy says:

    godot10: Schultz needs to play with a defensive partner who can break the opposition cycle.Klefbom is the first guy that he has played with who can do that. Plus, Klefbom has the skating abilitty and size to close gaps caused by Schultz’s adventures. And Klef can handle the puck so Schultz will also have a pass option that he hasn’t had till now.

    I think we may finally get to see a Schultz not weighed down by circumstances.Klefbom’s strengths mesh extremely well with Schultz’s deficiencies.

    I think every NHL Dman has to be able to break the cycle.

    Spurgeon is 5’9 189lbs and he does it fine.

    Its not a matter of size, its a matter of will.

  114. Gino says:

    Jon K:
    I think we are setting ourselves up for disappointment comparing Ekblad to Weber and Doughty.

    This is a weak draft year and the comparisons to Chris Phillips don’t inspire confidence. The mere fact that there are doubts about his potential distinguishes him from Doughty as a draft prospect.

    I think a good comparison for Ekblad in terms of career, production, and effectiveness might be Brad Stuart.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=28857

    Good hockey player, is capable of being a top pairing defenceman on most teams. However, probably never going to be considered one of the top players in his position at the NHL level.

    Also a Brad Stuart type can be had in a trade after someone has put the time in teaching him how to play the game. Draft forwards in the first round and defence in the second round and down.

  115. Lois Lowe says:

    El Duderino,

    I think you have to remember a few things. There’s 25 American teams and 7 Canadian teams (and I think it’s a stretch to call Winnipeg one, they still smell like Atlanta), I’m no stats guy but 25 to 7 creates much better odds of winning the cup. Canadian teams made it to the finals and lost in 94, 04, 06, 07, and 11. Only the Sens failed to push the series to 7 games. That seems about on par with the 25:7 ratio, no?

  116. Jon K says:

    Woodguy: I think every NHL Dman has to be able to break the cycle.

    Spurgeon is 5’9 189lbs and he does it fine.

    Its not a matter of size, its a matter of will.

    The really interesting thing is that Spurgeon is closer to 5’7″ and 160 pounds. Will sure, but he also has skill in spades and is a great all-around skater. I agree with your point about size not being the most important factor though, definitely.

  117. Woodguy says:

    sliderule: I actually think Weber is a better comparison both in size and shot.

    What kind of player he is going to be is with the gods.

    Doughty in his draft year only got 4 es goals.In the year before he got21goals only 6 were es.

    It’s pretty much a given that high scoring defenceman pile up points on pp.

    Ekblad got 23 goals this year and 16 were on pp but that is not a negative.

    Ekblad was rated best defensive and offensive defenceman and bestshot and hardest shot in his conference by OHL coaches.That is an impressive resume for the draft.

    In saying all that I think he would be totally wrong pick for oilers.

    The oiler prospect strength is on defence.They have no forward prospects in AHL or junior who project to score.The oilers are near the bottom in scoring and would need to score 50 more goals to move into the top five teams.

    The oilers need to fix the centre position and bolster team scoring for the long term.

    That’s fair but………Weber was won those accolades…..

    :)

  118. Woodguy says:

    Gino: If this team just added one more guy with over 400 games experience who knew a lick about playing defence that would be an improvement and would bump everyone down a notch.

    That’s the key.

    The Oilers have everyone playing above their established NHL ability.

    Push them down a notch and everyone looks better.

  119. Woodguy says:

    speeds: Overpaid is relative.

    They might stillhave to “overpay” this year’s Gilbert to get him signed on July 15th, but that probably isn’t in the same ballpark as the overpay required to land the more touted names like Markov, Orpik, Callahan, Vanek, and Stastny.

    With their cap space they should shoot as high as possible.

    I have no idea of whether they can land any top UFA for only 2 years.

    MacT (who telegraphs his moves a bit) has said on two separate occasions that they are going for a short term solution on D while the kids get older.

    I don’t think you can get a top UFA for only 2 years unless that player is old.

    Not sure what the actual play will be.

  120. Woodguy says:

    Gino: The depth at center is brutal. Lets see what we have Nuge, Gagner (who possibly will be moved) Gordon, Smyth ( a natural left winger), Lander (unproven), Arco (who will be UFA) and then ? We need more center depth. Ekblad would be nice but the future requirements are at center.

    This all day long.

  121. Woodguy says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    Justin is a tremendous skater.

    It kills me when he moseys back to the zone.

  122. Lois Lowe says:

    I’ve decided I want Reinhart. If the Oilers win the lottery that’s who they should take. Size and overlap of talent be damned.

  123. Gino says:

    Lois Lowe:
    I’ve decided I want Reinhart. If the Oilers win the lottery that’s who they should take. Size and overlap of talent be damned.

    The scouts have said he reminds them of the Nuge. I’ll take two two Nugent-Hopkins please or a Draisaitl on the side!

  124. bendelson says:

    Lois Lowe,

    Though I certainly understand the appeal of Reinhart I have to ask Lois…
    With RNH and Reinhart as a one-two punch at centre, how long until they can compete for the playoffs?

  125. Lowetide says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Slightly different take on the same quote from Klefbom-he said basically the same thing twice in the scrum, the quote below was early in the scrum, the later quote omitted the “if he goes up on the rush” and the “I was told to take a little more defensive work”. Anyway, it’s not the Zapruder film or anything but it does play a little differently when taken in context.

    Scrum is here:
    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=589833&catid=4

    Klefbom played alongside Justin Schultz on Friday — a possible preview of what’s to come next season with the two young guns.


    “Justin’s a very good skater, and before the game I was told to take a little more defensive work to cover him up if he goes up on the rush,” said the six-foot-three, 210-pound Klefbom, admitting that Schultz’s get-up-in-the-rush style sometimes caught him off-guard. He did wonder where he was going a few times against the Ducks.

    “Yeah, exactly … that’s the thing about Justin. He’s a tremendous skater,” said Klefbom, who sees himself more like Swedish defenceman Niklas Hjalmarsson than whiz-kid puck-mover Erik Karlsson.

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/edmonton-oilers/Klefbom+first+goal+sparks+celebration/9677733/story.html

    which dovetails with what I said above. Oilers like Justin Schultz just the way he is.

    And that my friends is a little disconcerting.

  126. Lois Lowe says:

    bendelson,

    Hopefully Reinhart doesn’t have a hope of making the team until draft +2. By then Nuge has started to fill out his frame and should be able to saw off against the the hardest comp. The Oilers will need a stop gap at C (or two) but drafting Draisaitl or Bennet offers the same timeline IMO.

  127. Gino says:

    bendelson:
    Lois Lowe,

    Though I certainly understand the appeal of Reinhart I have to ask Lois…
    With RNH and Reinhart as a one-two punch at centre, how long until they can compete for the playoffs?

    My apoligies Lois if I’m answering out of turn here. Let me turn that question around how much sooner if we don’t and draft Ekblad instead? The Av’s have Duchene, Stastny, O’Reilly and MacKinnon and seem to do okay with so many at center. What if Gagner drops to third line next year half way thru the year and Gordon to the fourth.

  128. bendelson says:

    Reinhart – Draft +2?
    Holy hell that would be a departure for this organization.

    Agreed the other choices in the top 5 should recieved the same treatment.
    But the Oilers track record in this department is what it is…

    Which is why I am still hoping MacT can trade the pick to,address the gaping holes in the roster that have yet to be properly addressed.

    Also wishful thinking I know.

  129. Jon K says:

    Just for fun I went and tried to find some scouting reports relating to Brad Staurt to see how the verbal in scouting reports compared to Ekblad.

    http://www.letsgosharks.com/profiles/stuart_brad.htm

    “HISTORY
    The Sharks took Brad with their first pick in the 1998 NHL Entry Draft and decided to let him season his game with an additional year in junior hocky in 1998-99. After playing half a season with the Regina Pats he was traded to the Calgary Hitmen (WHL) so that he could get some playoff experience under his belt. He eventually would lead Calgary to the WHL championship.

    Brad represented Canada at the 1999 World Junior Championships in Winnipeg (silver medal).

    He was not expected to crack the Sharks roster in 1999, but a strong training camp elevated him to the opening night roster in October. He would turn in an outstanding rookie season, playing in all 82 regular season games and all twelve Sharks playoff games during the 1999-2000 season.

    He was 7th in scoring among rookies (1st among rookie defensemen), tallying 10 goals and 26 assists. His steady play at the blueline distinguished him as the top defensive rookie in his class. He finished second in voting for the 2000 Calder Trophy, behind Scott Gomez of New Jersey.

    Brad turned in a solid sophomore season, playing in 77 games and tallying 23 points on 5 goals and 18 assists.

    SCOUTING REPORT
    Brad established himself as a solid defenseman during his rookie season with consistent play on defense, and a knack for the net. Don’t look for him to make rookie mistakes too often. He understands the game well and plays positional hockey.

    He recorded a 95 mph shot at the Top Prospects Skills Competion in 1998, so look for him to rocket the puck on occassion. Not afraid to go to the net, and will jump from the blueline from time to time.”

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/shn/redlin01.htm

    1. David Legwand (6-foot-2, 175 pounds, center, OHL Plymouth)
    Best skater and scorer in the draft.

    2. Vincent Lecavalier (6-3, 177, center, QMJHL Rimouski)
    Top end talent who could do something spectacular at any time.

    3. Michael Henrich (6-3, 195, right wing, OHL Barrie)
    Not physical, but big, very skilled and can score.

    4. Brad Stuart (6-1, 200, defenseman, WHL Regina)
    Good body checker, great passer, solid all-round game.

    5. Bryan Allen (6-3, 200, defensman, OHL Oshawa)
    Big, physical player with mobility and toughness.

    http://sharxfan11.tripod.com/stuart.htm

    “Scouting Report

    A powerful skater with excellent mobility. Possesses very good overall speed and will lead an offensive attack when the opportunity arises. He is an excellent puckhandler and is capable of dominating one-one-one situations. He has good anticipation and is quick to react to the transition of play. Has a hard, accurate shot and is an excellent passer. He has very good instincts and makes good decisions. Plays with a great deal of poise. He is an intelligent player who can dominate a game. He plays an aggressive style and thrives in a physical game. He is an excellent open-ice hitter and punishes opponents in front of the net. He is an authoritative figure along the boards and in the corners. He will stand up to any challenge and can handle himself in any situation.

    Source: Central Scouting Bureau”

  130. Gino says:

    bendelson:
    Reinhart – Draft +2?
    Holy hell that would be a departure for this organization.

    Agreed the other choices in the top 5 should recieved the same treatment.
    But the Oilers track record in this department is what it is…

    Which is why I am still hoping MacT can trade the pick to,address the gaping holes in the roster that have yet to be properly addressed.

    Also wishful thinking I know.

    This pick or none pick is the real question. Do we need to wait any longer for the development of this pick. I’m tired of waiting for a pick to perform next year. Trade that pick for current needs, a true defenceman or center that can play now!

  131. Gerta Rauss says:

    Lowetide,

    Woodguy,

    I posted those links just to clarify things…there was a comment later in the thread about “the rookie calling out Schultz”…when in fact, when you put the quote(s) in context, it’s much ado about nothing.

  132. Lois Lowe says:

    bendelson,

    The Issue with trading the pick is that the Oilers would not have any picks in the first 4 rounds. The fact that they can grab a top end talent is too good to pass up. We fans have suffered through another terrible season, why throw that away by not taking another shot at a highly touted prospect? Whoever the Oilers trade for will be a known commodity, the value of a top 5 pick can be so much more. There’s no way that the Oilers will get a 1C, 2C, or 1D for the pick, it just isn’t going to happen.

  133. Gerta Rauss says:

    Lois Lowe:
    I’ve decided I want Reinhart. If the Oilers win the lottery that’s who they should take. Size and overlap of talent be damned.

    He’s my pick too- unfortunately I think he’s Buffalo’s pick as well. I want a C out of this draft. If we pick at 2 and Ekblad is still on the board I’d be tempted to trade the pick assuming you get 100 cents on the dollar.

  134. Gino says:

    Lois Lowe:
    bendelson,

    The Issue with trading the pick is that the Oilers would not have any picks in the first 4 rounds. The fact that they can grab a top end talent is too good to pass up. We fans have suffered through another terrible season, why throw that away by not taking another shot at a highly touted prospect. Whoever the Oilers trade for will be a known commodity, the value of a top 5 pick can be so much more.

    The draft is in Philadelphia this summer and nothing would be sweeter for the Flyers to make a splash in front of the fans. I think we can make a deal with the Flyers and kill two birds with one stone by getting Couturier and Coburn for the pick and ?

  135. Lois Lowe says:

    Gino,

    Eberle, Simpson, and Chase?

  136. Rondo says:

    Gino,

    Forget Coburn ,trade Ekblad for Couturier and a 2nd rd pick

  137. Gino says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Gino,

    Eberle, Simpson, and Chase?

    So we only would have to move one roster player, Eberle to make this a possible. I know we could be giving up on the unkown future first round pick but what I want to do is go with the known which is I’m getting the center I need and a defenseman I need now!

  138. bendelson says:

    Gino,

    I don’t think it is reasonable to expect MacT to make the necessary ‘bold’ moves without including this year pick. Trading Gagner and Musil ain’t going to cut it. Yak’s value is in the tank (and I like the kid) and I would like to see Eberle stay…

    So, if the deal is there, I don’t mind moving the pick one bit.

    Unfortunately, with the top 5 looking like it is, I think Ekblad would most likely need to be on the board when the Oilers pick for the ‘bold’ move to be available – which is doubtful.

    One way or the other, this draft has the potential to be very interesting and regardless of what MacT ends up doing, we will be here to dissect the crap out of it.

  139. VanOil says:

    Woodguy:
    Campbell has 2 years left and is a slight overpay.

    I think he’d be damn close to what the Oilers need for 2 years.

    What do you pay to get him?

    Agreed, Campbell for 2 years + a low rent UFA D is exactly what the Oilers need to bridge that gap.

    Tambellini to win the draft lottery so we could trade down for Flordia’s pick for him is my smart ass answer. Any draft that follows a logical sequence that sees Buffalo taking the BPA Reinhart, Oilers taking the next BPA Draisaitl and Florida taking Ekblad.

    If Florida ends up with Ekblad in any scenario then Campbell or Kulikov might skate free. Campbell’s age and contract should mean he does not cost the moon in assets going back the other way. Fedun (who played well against them) and a collection of late rounds picks would be great. I imagine Tallon would want more to give up his muse.

  140. Gino says:

    bendelson:
    Gino,

    I don’t think it is reasonable to expect MacT to make the necessary ‘bold’ moves without including this year pick.Trading Gagner and Musil ain’t going to cut it.Yak’s value is in the tank (and I like the kid) and I would like to see Eberle stay…

    So, if the deal is there, I don’t mind moving the pick one bit.

    Unfortunately, with the top 5 looking like it is, I think Ekblad would most likely need to be on the board when the Oilers pick for the ‘bold’ move to be available – which is doubtful.

    One way or the other, this draft has the potential to be very interesting and regardless of what MacT ends up doing, we will be here to dissect the crap out of it.

    Sometimes to improve you need to be bold and I can fully agree yes there will be very interesting days ahead this summer with this team.

  141. jake70 says:

    Count me as in the “get the C situation fixed” camp. Gagner needs to be upgraded, either a better 2 way/reliable-all-situations guy with similar offense or MORE offense guy….or something like that. A 1a and 1b with Nuge and ___________, where there is increase in outscoring/outshooting, whatever, the other teams’ top lines. Should be easy to do right?

  142. Gino says:

    Rondo:
    Gino,

    Forget Coburn,trade Ekblad for Couturierand a 2nd rd pick

    So swap our first round pick for a 2nd round pick and Couturier. This is interesting.

  143. Marc says:

    Jon K:

    3.Michael Henrich(6-3, 195, right wing, OHL Barrie)Not physical, but big, very skilled and can score.

    ARGHHHH!!!! ARGHHHH!!!! ARGHHHHHHHHH!!!

    Fun fact: Henrich is the only player taken in the first round of the 1998 NHL Entry Draft who has not played in the NHL. He was selected ahead of eight future NHL All-Stars.

  144. Gino says:

    Marc: ARGHHHH!!!!ARGHHHH!!!!ARGHHHHHHHHH!!!

    Fun fact: Henrich is the only player taken in the first round of the 1998 NHL Entry Draft who has not played in the NHL. He was selected ahead of eight future NHL All-Stars.

    Barry (Mexico) Fraser

    http://oilersnation.com/2012/10/5/how-barry-fraser-and-the-edmonton-oilers-scouting-staff-did-their-part-to-end-a-dynasty

  145. Marcus Oilerius says:

    The Flames really took it to the Senators in the second.

    That’s what I hate most about this year. Calgary is better, and they have wannabes, scrubs and has-beens and two decent defencemen.

  146. bendelson says:

    Lois Lowe,

    Your suggestion is not unreasonable…

    The team needs to be a whole lot better next year – this I’m certain we can agree on.

    How they get there isn’t as important as getting there in the short-term and staying there for the long-term.

  147. Ice Sage says:

    Is this a game day?
    With all the nostalgia around here for traktor’s churlishness and hbomb’s liquorbombs, I miss being interested in the on-ice event, so:

    Oilers seem to have Rags # this year = 4-2 Orange (Perron, RNH, Jultz and Hall(EN)).

    That felt wierd.

  148. justDOit says:

    Gino: Barry (Mexico) Fraser

    Tequila Dynasty

  149. Lowetide says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    The Flames really took it to the Senators in the second.

    That’s what I hate most about this year.Calgary is better, and they have wannabes, scrubs and has-beens and two decent defencemen.

    Calgary’s going to have a terrible hangover in the morning.

  150. Cameron says:

    Gino: So swap our first round pick for a 2nd round pick and Couturier. This is interesting.

    Just finished reading an arcticle from ‘Hockey Writers’ that suggested the Flyers are going to pursue Shea Weber at the draft, and that they would be willing to include any prospect or player not named Giroux or Couturier.

    http://thehockeywriters.com/flyers-2014-nhl-entry-draft-target-shea-weber/

    If the Flyers aren’t going to trade Couturier for Weber, what are the chances of them trading him (and a 2nd) for a pick?

    I suspect its as close to ‘zero’ as you can get.

  151. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: Good stuff.

    Excellent results for a 21 year old who’s most common F mates this year are Read and Downie.

    Love this player.

    I obviously disagree with the writer’s conclusions.

    What Couturier can do at 21 with the type of players that he does it with is outstanding.

    Perspective is important.

    The writer also fails to mention that Couturier has the toughest zone starts among Flyer C.

    Read drives tjst bost

  152. Cameron says:

    Lowetide: Calgary’s going to have a terrible hangover in the morning.

    Calgary’s big hangover was last Sunday.

  153. Caramel Obvious says:

    Should I watch hockey or baseball tonight?

  154. Caramel Obvious says:

    Cameron,

    Yeah, there is no trade scenario in which the Oilers get Couturier. None.

    You have to target teams that have underachieved. The Flyers started terribly but have come on like a house on fire. You have to think they like what they have.

    Teams out of the playoffs who are near the cap. That’s where you have to look first. If you find nothing there then teams in the playoffs who are near the cap. Either way the only way to win a deal is to find a team looking to drop salary. The only advantage the Oilers have is acres and acres of cap space.

  155. Lowetide says:

    Ference scratched, Rishaug mentions he’s been playing injured. That may partly explain his season (awaits sound beating).

  156. rich says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    You are breaking the hearts of all the wannabe GM’s here.

  157. leadfarmer says:

    Cameron,

    So they are not getting Weber then. Philly has been looking for a franchise defenseman longer than LT has been waiting for the mythical 3 for 1 trade. Ekblad may be the closest they can get

  158. Lowetide says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    Should I watch hockey or baseball tonight?

    Both.

  159. art vandelay says:

    Loved the WHA as a kid.
    Love it even more now, knowing that it strip-mined the Leafs.

  160. Rondo says:

    Cameron,

    Gretzky

  161. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Eakins tacitly admits that it’s the Taylor Hall Show in Edmonton. Playing him with Nuge and Ebs to spark them, but making sure to spread Hall around other lines to spark their offense. He doesn’t turn 23 until November, so we’ve got another 5-10 years of this. Hopefully in that time we get him some teammates, sooner rather than later.

  162. Woodguy says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Lowetide,

    Woodguy,

    I posted those links just to clarify things…there was a comment later in the thread about “the rookie calling out Schultz”…when in fact, when you put the quote(s) in context, it’s much ado about nothing.

    I didn’t think it was a rookie “calling him out”

    I just found good comedy in a rookie with hardly any games needing to be aware of his wandering partner.

    Its usually the other way around.

  163. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Ference scratched, Rishaug mentions he’s been playing injured. That may partly explain his season (awaits sound beating).

    That’s actually very good news.

    Watching the Rags feed and they said Ference has been injured for 3 weeks.

    A reason, any reason to hope that Ference isn’t actually as bad as he’s been is good new given he has 3 years left.

  164. sliderule says:

    Woodguy,

    Must be concussion.

    Concussions cause brain farts.

  165. VanOil says:

    2 shots in the first 6 minutes for either team. This one is so far reminding me more of Italian soccer than a Russian proverb, but not in a good way.

  166. Lowetide says:

    Anton Belov daydreams.

  167. Cameron says:

    leadfarmer:
    Cameron,

    So they are not getting Weber then.Philly has been looking for a franchise defenseman longer than LT has been waiting for the mythical 3 for 1 trade.Ekblad may be the closest they can get

    Not sure why you would think they can’t get Weber. The Flyers have lots of interesting pieces they could put into an offer (as per the article I linked to), and in particular, they could put Brayden Schenn (who as Woodguy recently schooled me on has been the #2 C for the Flyers of late) into the mix.

    Nash needs an offensive pivot in the worst possible way, and if its the Oilers vs the Flyers for Weber’s services that may be the difference maker (as I just can’t see the Oil putting the Nuge into consideration, and the less said about Gagner the better).

    Lastly, the Flyers had been successful previously in landing Pronger, so it’s not like they have no history of trading for a #1 D.

  168. sliderule says:

    Cameron,

    Maybe how that has worked out will make them cautious

  169. icecastles says:

    VanOil: 2 shots in the first 6 minutes for either team. This one is so far reminding me more of Italian soccer than a Russian proverb, but not in a good way.

    NHL.com is showing zero shots at 13 minutes in. That can’t be right, is it? I’m sure I heard Micheals call at least one save by Scrivens.

  170. Cameron says:

    Rondo:
    Cameron,

    Gretzky

    Sure because Comcast and Snyder are so very similar to Pocklington.

  171. Lois Lowe says:

    Funny little bit on Hendricks’ taste in music. I bet it’s still better than the tripe they play at Rexall during the game.

  172. Cameron says:

    sliderule:
    Cameron,

    Maybe how that has worked out will make them cautious

    Pronger was 6 years older than Weber is now when he was aquired, so unlike Pronger the odometer should have lots left on it, and there is no ‘over 35 retirement’ clause for them to worry about. Factor in that Timmonen is clearly nearing the end and I expect they will be borderline desperate to make a deal for Weber. Nashville, who aren’t making the playoffs, and are likely going to gas Trotz, might want to rebuild around the kind of package that Weber could command (a 1st, B.Schenn, Morin, and Gotisbehere is my guesstimate).

  173. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Fraser handles the puck like a grenade and Gagner wanders around not really checking anybody. I wonder how many times this scenario has played out this year?

  174. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Lois Lowe,

    They still play cotton eyed Joe?

  175. Lowetide says:

    This game is like a school day at the end of the year, where you’re supposed to be working and then then you’re asked to take something down to the office and then talk to the secretary until the buzzer goes.

  176. Henry says:

    If any of you are at Northlands/Rexall/whatever tonight could you tell the Edmonton Oilers that there is a hockey game they should attend.

    Thanks. Hank

  177. Oilanderp says:

    One thing I noticed that period is NY puts the puck toward the net, and we don`t. I wonder how long before they realize that they aren`t as good as they think they are, and they`re going to have to throw it at the net eventually.

  178. Bank Shot says:

    Oilanderp:
    One thing I noticed that period is NY puts the puck toward the net, and we don`t.I wonder how long before they realize that they aren`t as good as they think they are, and they`re going to have to throw it at the net eventually.

    They need to get it into the opponents end with possession first. I think that only.happened 4-5 times in the first.

    The Oilers need like 10 more players to compete for th playoffs next year.

  179. Henry says:

    Oilanderp,

    Right you are. Their best and possibly only real scoring chance was a bad angle muffin to the net from Gagner that left a fat rebound for Eberle.

  180. rich says:

    Bank Shot,

    Exactly. If you can’t break the puck out of your own zone, you’re not going to get it into the opponents zone. Even with the forwards coming back deeper they still are struggling tonight.

    Might want to try and switch Fraser and Larsen in the 2nd period. Just for variety.

  181. theres oil in virginia says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    Fraser handles the puck like a grenade and Gagner wanders around not really checking anybody. I wonder how many times this scenario has played out this year?

    Perfect. Pair him with Schultz. One refuses the eat the puck, the other one does nothing but eat the puck. I think Fraser gives up the puck just so he can cream the guy that gets it.

  182. Kitchener says:

    Lois Lowe,

    Reminds me of the Hemsky trade. Yeah, he “had to go”, but the safe bet is that Hemsky’s career will outlast the picks’.

  183. Lois Lowe says:

    This line up is a dog’s breakfast. I can’t figure out any of the lines or d pairs yet.

  184. book¡je says:

    I like Scrinens, he hasn’t been here long enough to be wrecked. I look forward to booing him out of town in two years.

  185. VanOil says:

    I general I have no problem with any fan wearing an opposing team jersey to a game. I admire supporting your chosen team regardless of location. In Edmonton right now it just seems like you are rubbing it in. It is like cheering for a goal against Japan when the Canadian women are playing.

  186. thejonrmcleod says:

    Smyth is -12 in penalty +/-. That needs to be considered when making the decision on whether or not to bring him back.

  187. jake70 says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    Smyth is -12 in penalty +/-. That needs to be considered when making the decision on whether or not to bring him back.

    Great Oiler. Guy is slow IMO. Not speed slow…but slow pivoting, slow using his arms to get his stick in lanes. etc etc. I know his numbers are better this year.

    And is there a team in the league that has as many tipped shots and goals off their own D men than the Oilers?

  188. leadfarmer says:

    I cant believe some people think that Krueger didnt do a better job than Eakins. I mean at least they were somewhat competitive in some games last year. This year if it wasnt for Scrivens we would probably be beating Buffalo for the participation ribbon.

  189. linkfromhyrule says:

    leadfarmer,

    No. No no a thousand times no. I remember games exactly like this WEEKLY last year.

    I know I might be burnt at the stake for blasphemy but the oilers are beginning to seem like the toronto maple leafs of the west..

  190. Lois Lowe says:

    leadfarmer,

    Revisionist history over a 48 game schedule. The Oilers were absolutely dreadful for the last 20 games.

  191. Oilanderp says:

    My Gord. Trade them all. Brutal.

  192. Henry says:

    Mom, can we go now?

  193. Lois Lowe says:

    Only a Gord can save us now.

  194. leadfarmer says:

    linkfromhyrule,

    But at least they would destroy good teams like Chicago once in a while. This year either they lose or Scrivens wins the game for them. The offense is dreadful and the pp is more impotent then Bob Dole.

  195. Oilanderp says:

    I feel like we have Taylor Hall and then 20 something Petrells.

  196. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Good game. Ball game that is.
    Man these guys are getting hard to cheer for. I know even if this roster put in their best effort they’d still lose 60% of their games, but they’re not even one of those hard working underdogs that most guys don’t mind pulling for.

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