SUNDAY MORNING RUMOR UPDATE

The post-Olympic Oilers are 0-1-1 and have scored 1-5 in their two games against Minnesota and Calgary. Viewing the two games was for the most part painful: the gifted kids haven’t been a factor, the mistakes are goals-against more often for Edmonton than for the other guy due to more than one breakdown on a single play. The Corgi’s 5×5 were 54-47 Edmonton and pretty much the entire lineup was over 50%.

Watching the game? Lordy. The Edmonton Oilers aren’t good enough to win NHL hockey games. We can parse the Corgi, shoot the moon, slip the Bishop, pop the clutch, smoke the spliff, bury the hatchet, pull out the Jim Beam, swim in the cement pond or trip the light fantastic—it doesn’t change anything.

Not. good. enough.

TRADE DEADLINE THOUGHTS

  1. I’ve mentioned this before, but the Oilers have to be looking at trading Ben Scrivens if they can’t sign him. He’ll have terrific value to a team like Minnesota right now.
  2. Ales Hemsky for a third is an insult to the thinking fan. If that’s all there is, keep him and try to sign the man. If you lose him at the end of the season—very possible—at least you have the satisfaction of knowing Ray Shero didn’t get a deadline deal for 10 cents on the dollar.
  3. Ryan Smyth looks good to my eye. I can see a team calling about him, he could be a very useful 4line/PK/two-way guy for a team going deep. I vote the left coast, make it Los Angeles.
  4. If people are talking about acquiring Sam Gagner at the deadline, I’m not sure why. Buddy hasn’t been good since the break ended, and I know he got a point last night.
  5. MacT is apparently kicking tires on Chris Phillips in Ottawa. I understand the idea of adding veterans, but Andrew Ference and Mark Fraser aren’t making enough of a difference to throw more of these guys on the pile.
  6. The Oilers are also possibly looking at Andrei Markov, which is the higher end version of the Phillips plan. I’m not a fan of any of these deals, to be honest. MacT appears to be trying to solve the Oilers blueline problems with the Sheldon Souray old guy overpay plan. It’s a bridge move, and I do get that, but the bite comes on the term side. You KNOW Edmonton is going to have to pay Markov an extra year or two, and they’re already looking at Ference as a buyout option sometime during his deal.

More updates as the day rolls….

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  1. Ben says:

    It’s pretty clear Hemsky’s ready to go. It’s very hard to imagine him signing here again, and if a 3rd is what’s on offer, then a third is what you take. No reason to get nothing out of stubbornness. My guess is he draws a 2nd and a 5th.

    Taylor Hall is a great, great hockey player. But….something. I dunno. Never mind.

    It’ll hurt if they can’t sign Scrivens, but I completely agree – at least get a pick back (though it’s hard to imagine them getting anything close to the 61st overall selection).

  2. BeerLeagueHero says:

    Markov and Phillips? I’d be disappointed to see those guys added. Markov is another injury away from retirement. An add like that would be akin to Dallas adding Gonchar. How’s he doing these days?

    Hemsky should be allowed to leave at the deadline. He’s done his time with the Oilers and he deserves an opportunity to win somewhere else.

    Trading Scrivens would be a mistake unless another team overpays for him. Not only that but there are so many other options out there (Halak, Elliott, Brodeur, Reimer, Bryzgalov, i might add Luongo to that list now) that it looks inconceivable that he’d be an option.

    I’m in favor of opening as many spots as possible to let the OKC guys get a shot before season’s end.

  3. book¡je says:

    Two games ago, I believed that they should keep Scrivens to try and build some optimism about the future through the end of the season. Now I think that’s not possible. The team and coach are not working out together and the team has either given up or given in. Hall, Eberle, RNH and Yakupov are being told to play more like Ference and while they don’t understand it, they are doing so.

    MacT is a smart guy, but I think he obsesses too much over some parts of the game while ignoring others.

    This team might not win a game through the remainder of the season. I can’t see how Hall doesn’t ask for a trade.

    Man, I am bitter (too bitter, I am guessing) but this team is just hopeless in every way.

  4. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Another day, another reminder:

    1. Hemsky probably won’t sign here.
    2. If he does it has to be for 3rw dollars and term.
    2b. We can’t pay our 3rd line 12 million per.
    3. Getting a 3rd > getting nothing.
    4. Get good value, keep good value.

  5. cdean says:

    book¡je,

    I agree with what you are saying about MacT, he has a vision for this team but that vision doesn’t fit his current roster and his is blind to it.
    Also his comments in the media are harmful to his negotiations with other GMs and his players/agents. I think he has realized this somewhat but he still needs to be more political in saying nothing to the media, or nothing concerning specific players.

  6. sliderule says:

    I don’t think the team will get better until they fix the coverage issues.

    Marincin lost a puck battle in the corner which isn’t the end of world if someone covers Monahan.

    At other times in the game I saw Nuge Ebs and Hall in position to cover but neither covering or assisting.Is it swarm or not to swarm confusion?I was always told by my coaches that slot and front of net coverage was the most important .They said even if a battle is lost in corner or wall they still have to make a play from there to get into scoring position.

    Its obvious that Eakins is Macts guy but if they don’t improve in coverage over the rest of season I can see a lot more losing before they have to change all the coaches.

  7. Lowetide says:

    Ca$h-Money!:
    Another day, another reminder:

    1.Hemsky probably won’t sign here.
    2.If he does it has to be for 3rw dollars and term.
    2b. We can’t pay our 3rd line 12 million per.
    3.Getting a 3rd > getting nothing.
    4. Get good value, keep good value.

    The Oilers need NHL players FAR more than they need a third round pick. I’d rather see them deal 83 for another expiring deal, or take half of Hemsky’s contract back and get a first round selection. The odds that the third round pick turns into something is completely out of whack with Hemsky’s value to a team looking for a skill winger.

  8. book¡je says:

    LT – why do you hate Hemsky so much? Let him go have fun playing hockey somewhere. Keeping him here would just be cruel.

  9. 36 percent body fat says:

    WHy are the following players still on this team

    Eberle
    Gagner
    Hemsky
    Smyth
    Jones
    Schultz Sr
    Fraser
    Potter

    Remember when Eberle has tremendous value, than we over paid him and he has regressed to a normal level. Trading him when he was invited to olympic camp would have been the right move, now watching his two way play (yes staples it sucks) and his transistion back to a 60-65 point scorer deminshes his value daily.

    Remember last year when gagner broke out offensively, trading him than would have maxed out value there.

    Hindsight yes but remember when we traded penner, and than we sucked hard for a few years, wonder what we could have gotten for hemsky back than.

    Managements stupidity to see that this team was not competitive cost us maximizing assets, and now to move on and shake up the core we need to sell low or LOWE. Which ever,

    The culture isnt going to change. Gagner, Smyth and Hemmer are the only three home grown oilers who have either seen the playoffs or came close. Once they’re gone this team is just a bunch of losers. Other than maybe taylor hall. And please dont bring up the eberle juniors. He was an overager on a stacked team. We expect to win this tournament every year.

    So until you mix or change this core (eberle hall nuge shultz) we are destined to be terrible. The later three arent going anywhere so that leaves one option.

  10. steveb12344 says:

    I know it’s already been said here, but at this point I’m looking forward to seeing Hemmer shipped to a contender so I will have a team to cheer for in the playoffs this spring.

  11. anonymous says:

    Couldn’t agree more. At this point in the “rebuild” just listening to Mact talk about acquiring draft picks frustrates me. I realize this happens this time of year but I still don’t want to hear about it.

    Adding Markov, Philips or any player like this right now will mean a massive overpay and contracts that will make Horcoffs look like a steal. Need to acquire these players in trade, preferably younger ones.

  12. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    ICYMI last night, Lady Pants was pretty active in-game:

    Tracy Lane ‏@TreenasOil Protected Tweets 10h
    #Ducks #Wild and #Bruins have talked to the Oilers about N Shultz

    Tracy Lane ‏@TreenasOil Protected Tweets 10h
    Scrivens offered a 3yr extension from the Oilers

    Tracy Lane ‏@TreenasOil Protected Tweets 10h
    #Leafs #Coyotes #Canucks and #Kings again have all called the Oilers on Gagner

    Tracy Lane ‏@TreenasOil Protected Tweets 10h
    Talks with the #Flyers for Simmonds have died.

    Tracy Lane ‏@TreenasOil Protected Tweets 10h
    #Penguins and #Habs interested in Jones

    Tracy Lane ‏@TreenasOil Protected Tweets 10h
    #Predators and #Sabres both interested in Anton Lander

    Tracy Lane ‏@TreenasOil Protected Tweets 10h
    Bryzgalov was offered a 1 yr extension but declined MacT is actively shopping him Penguins have mild interest

    Tracy Lane ‏@TreenasOil Protected Tweets 10h
    #Rangers front runners on Hemsky have scouts at the game also interested in Smyth

    There’s some interesting items in there. Again, I have no idea if this is legit.

    I’ll say this though: I’ve reached the point of utter sadness about Hemsky. Can’t muster anger or frustration anymore. But, this Lander item is going to make me livid.

    If Lander leaves for nothing because MacT either insists on continuing to toss the prospect pool to the garbage, or because he really does value Gazdic and Hendricks more… I can’t be expected to stay even keeled. I know it’s a weird, relatively minor, item to freak on. But, Lander will do it for me. All bets are off.

    If MacT trades Lander, he’ll have an enemy in me.

  13. gcw_rocks says:

    Not. good. enough.

    MacT didn’t start with a good base, but he passed on Hainsey, Gilbert, Boyes, Raymond, and Grabovski.

    Another GM who plans for the best and ignores the worst is why this team where it is.

    Toss in yet another coaching change and you have a GM who shot himself the foot and wounded the rest of us while doing it.

  14. Lowetide says:

    Folks, I understand there’s frustration. However, if you want to write vile, vicious things about people please do it on your blog. That way you can deal with the consequences.

  15. Lowetide says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Not. good. enough.

    MacT didn’t start with a good base, but he passed on Hainsey, Gilbert, Boyes, Raymond, and Grabovski.

    Another GM who plans for the best and ignores the worst is why this team where it is.

    Toss in yet another coaching change and you have a GM who shot himself the foot and wounded the rest of us while doing it.

    We don’t know he passed on those players. We DO know they stayed late, and maybe MacT did pass on all of them. It’s important to note the difference.

  16. hunter1909 says:

    Fun watching the Flames who are being coached by a real NHL coach, and managed by a competent GM.

    Sad how the Flames are already ahead of the oilers, who themselves are headed for another relegation battle lmao.

  17. gcw_rocks says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I hear you, man. The Reider trade set me off last year, and trading Lander for nothing would be an equivalent.

    MacT seems to have an irrational dislike of any prospect acquired during the Tambo years and it’s ridiculous.

  18. HugThePost says:

    MacT and Eakins are married, and are both woefully in over their heads. The good hockey teams hire people with experience at a lower level (eg. asst. general manager, assistant nhl coach) who are ready for the jump. The Oilers? They love getting big shiny brand-name things, preferably those with historic ties to the team, regardless of previous experience or credentials, and then they put them in positions way over their skillset. It has happened at Kingsway Ave. It has happened behind the bench. And it has happened on the ice.

    Right now, they are just a sorry mess. The tone on the blogs is kind of comical now; we all just expect a loss, the only thing in question is who is (are) going to be tonight’s goat(s).

    This theory that Katz only wants the team to be a contender when we finish building his new arena may or may not have truth to it. But where is falls apart is guys like Hall, Eberle, etc. are being thoroughly ruined by all of this losing and negativity.

    I said it in the fall, and at that time people here laughed at me, but I’ll say it again. It’s not if guys like Hall start asking for a trade out of here, it is when.

    I really hope MacT has started thinking about what kind of package he can put together that contains whatever combination of Hall, Eberle, FILL IN THE BLANKS that will get us McDavid next year. He should strike before it becomes public that star guys want out which would ruin his negotiating power.

    I really hope he is at least thinking along these lines and I also hope he keeps his big mouth shut about it.

  19. hunter1909 says:

    sliderule: Marincin lost a puck battle in the corner which isn’t the end of world if someone covers Monahan.

    LMAO when a freaking rookie cannot make a single mistake without being hung drawn and quartered.

  20. hunter1909 says:

    HugThePost: I really hope MacT has started thinking about what kind of package he can put together that contains whatever combination of Hall, Eberle, FILL IN THE BLANKS that will get us McDavid next year. He should strike before it becomes public that star guys want out which would ruin his negotiating power.
    I really hope he is at least thinking along these lines and I also hope he keeps his big mouth shut about it.

    Part of me hopes they trade everyone I like; Hall, Yakupov, Eberle, and Justin Schultz. That way I can wash my hands from this cack handed third class fan experience and stop watching.

    Next year is already a write off. Why? Because Dallas Eakins might still be coach.

  21. Henry says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I hear you, man. The Reider trade set me off last year, and trading Lander for nothing would be an equivalent.

    MacT seems to have an irrational dislike of any prospect acquired during the Tambo years and it’s ridiculous.

    Tambi traded Rieder as his last act of hamstringing Edmonton.

    I have trouble seeing MacT trading Lander. Lander plays similarly to the MacT, the player.

  22. anonymous says:

    I hope they don’t trade Lander. Give him a good chance first. It would be nice to see what players like Reider, Rajala and Lander could do before offloading them. Especially when nothing of real value comes back for them.

  23. gvblackhawk says:

    Lowetide:
    Folks, I understand there’s frustration. However, if you want to write vile, vicious things about people please do it on your blog. That way you can deal with the consequences.

    Criticism is one thing. Slander and defamation will get you in trouble. It is amazing how disrespectful some people can get online.

    LT, do you think management is so married to this core that they are unwilling to change it? To me, it appears flawed but when Katz says that the young players aren’t going anywhere it makes me kind of nervous.

  24. gcw_rocks says:

    Lowetide,

    He did pass on Grabovski, who was available via waivers.

    What are the odds of him going zero for four on the others if he pursued them aggressively? None of these players signed with good teams either.

    Just as its naive to think he would go four for four, it’s equally naive to think he would get none if he was trying.

  25. Yeti says:

    It makes sense to acquire draft picks now if the intention is to trade them for bodies at the draft. The kind of Brodziak for a 3rd thing in reverse, where we win rather than making a colossal screw up.

  26. theres oil in virginia says:

    gcw_rocks: MacT seems to have an irrational dislike of any prospect acquired during the Tambo years and it’s ridiculous.

    He seems to like Marincin just fine. Klefbom too. There are other examples as well. I think he may just be valuing Lander differently than you or I, and the appearance is that he dislikes the boring, old prospects. He hasn’t actually done anything negative to Lander yet, so maybe we should wait until he does that and then lambast him for it. I don’t think it’s a good idea to convict someone of a future crime that we are fearful that they might commit.

  27. Lowetide says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Lowetide,

    He did pass on Grabovski, who was available via waivers.

    What are the odds of him going zero for four on the others if he pursued them aggressively?None of these players signed with good teams either.

    Just as its naive to think he would go four for four, it’s equally naive to think he would get none if he was trying.

    Meh. I recall (not going to look it up) that the Raymond deal was in place and waited late to make room for him. I think it’s fine to pile on MacTavish for things that have gone wrong, but for me suggesting Raymond (as an example) was an option frames the issue by quite a bit.

  28. Woodguy says:

    I’m trying to judge MacT on actual actions and not rumours.

    Its not easy.

    I understand him looking for “bridge” Dmen to take the load until Marincin, Klef and Nurse are taking regular shifts, but it won’t do much for my fandom.

    I fear he, like many GMs, is running on reputation and memory and not what the player actually is at this moment in time.

    Also,

    There are only 3 Dmen I’d keep from the roster and they fit in here:

    1st pairing X-X
    2nd pairing X-Petry
    3rd pairing Marincin-J.Shultz

    The Oilers will not be competitive until there are Actual NHL Dmen slotted at their achieved NHL ability on the depth chart.

    If we have to wait until the D-kids are doing it, the Oiler *might* make the playoffs in 16/17

    I trade Eberle for real help.

    The man doesn’t win puck battles and seems uninterested in the game when not in the ozone.

    Its funny to see in retrospect, but guys like LT and Tyler got *killed* for suggesting Eberle’s true talent was at about 65pt/82gm (.79pts/gm) after his big season.

    Since then Eberle has played 109 games and has 83pts.

    .76pts/gm.

    That’s not a $6MM/yr player and they should turn him into an Actual 1LDman sooner rather than later while his reputation is better than the results.

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2012/07/re-12-13-jordan-eberle.html

    http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=4862

  29. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I hear you, man. The Reider trade set me off last year, and trading Lander for nothing would be an equivalent.

    MacT seems to have an irrational dislike of any prospect acquired during the Tambo years and it’s ridiculous.

    Reider was a Tambo move. I’ve said since many times I don’t think MacT makes the trade. My conviction here has wavered… but I still think he doesn’t do it. That’s a Tambo move through-and-through.

    To your list of useful UFAs missed we can add more creative options: Peter Mueller and Patrick Thoresen would have been cheap W/C options for the 4th line. They were both discussed here a fair bit through the summer.

  30. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Lowetide: The Oilers need NHL players FAR more than they need a third round pick. I’d rather see them deal 83 for another expiring deal, or take half of Hemsky’s contract back and get a first round selection. The odds that the third round pick turns into something is completely out of whack with Hemsky’s value to a team looking for a skill winger.

    Agreed. But what I’m reading is “sign him” when that’s a dangerous oversimplification.

    Agreed actual NHL player, even one with warts, is better than 3rd rounder. Prospect that is somewhat on track (another teams 5th best prospect) way better than 3rd rounder.

    I don’t want a 3rd rounder. I’d just rather have that than nothing, or keeping Hemsky at an overpayment. That’s what “sign Hemsky” blatantly ignores.

  31. HugThePost says:

    They have done so many backwards things, even after Tambo left that make me wonder what actually is their plan:

    last year when Horc broke his hand, MacT let the team drown without getting a short-term replacement centre

    the team is desperately in need of centres so when an actual NHL centre like Jokinen becomes available for free, MacT passes. That shit team the Penguins who will take anyone takes Jokinen.

    Arcobello shoots the lights out when called upon. His reward? He gets benched and sent down so Gagner can get the 2C minutes.

    We are told they are going to be a ‘possession team’, but that path has been altered this year with the acquisition of guys like Gadzic, Hendricks, Fraser.

    Lander isn’t going to bring the Cup here, but he might be a helpful piece. If they trade him without giving him an audition playing with guys who are not fighters during the last weeks of this season, it will be the latest moronic move.

  32. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    theres oil in virginia: He seems to like Marincin just fine.Klefbom too.There are other examples as well.I think he may just be valuing Lander differently than you or I, and the appearance is that he dislikes the boring, old prospects.He hasn’t actually done anything negative to Lander yet, so maybe we should wait until he does that and then lambast him for it.I don’t think it’s a good idea to convict someone of a future crime that we are fearful that they might commit.

    I think the evaluation goes like this:

    If the organization managed to be patient and put players in positions to succeed, or fly under the radar (i.e., Marincin) you are safe as long as you perform at whatever level you are actually playing

    If the organization mucked up your development, the player is going to have to wear it: Lander, Hartikainen

    I think MacT is all about chances and what you make of them. He seems to be trying to give a big pool of players a chance to work on the bottom spots. But, if you don’t show up, he moves on.

    This can maybe explain moves like Hartikainen, Acton, R. Hamilton, Fraser, etc. He’s hoping someone clicks and making a lot of bets.

  33. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    If Lander leaves for nothing because MacT either insists on continuing to toss the prospect pool to the garbage, or because he really does value Gazdic and Hendricks more… I can’t be expected to stay even keeled. I know it’s a weird, relatively minor, item to freak on. But, Lander will do it for me. All bets are off.

    My thoughts as well.

    When MacT came into the job he talked about puck possession and outshooting other teams.

    There have been quality adds like Perron and Gordon.

    In season however, he’s been acting Brian Burke Light and I don’t get it.

    We wait to see if its real or just the constraints of in-season trading.

    I wonder what Smid would fetch today?

  34. oilgreg says:

    36 percent body fat:
    WHy are the following players still on this team

    Eberle
    Gagner
    Hemsky
    Smyth
    Jones
    Schultz Sr
    Fraser
    Potter

    Remember when Eberle has tremendous value, than we over paid him and he has regressed to a normal level.Trading him when he was invited to olympic camp would have been the right move, now watching his two way play (yes staples it sucks) and his transistion back to a 60-65 point scorer deminshes his value daily.

    Remember last year when gagner broke out offensively, trading him than would have maxed out value there.

    Hindsight yes but remember when we traded penner, and than we sucked hard for a few years,wonder what we could have gotten for hemsky back than.

    Managements stupidity to see that this team was not competitive cost us maximizing assets, and now to move on and shake up the core we need to sell low or LOWE.Which ever,

    The culture isnt going to change.Gagner, Smyth and Hemmer are the only three home grown oilers who have either seen the playoffs or came close.Once they’re gone this team is just a bunch of losers. Other than maybe taylor hall.And please dont bring up the eberle juniors.He was an overager on a stacked team.We expect to win this tournament every year.

    So until you mix or change this core (eberle hall nuge shultz) we are destined to be terrible.The later three arent going anywhere so that leaves one option.

    Over-agers are not permitted in the World Juniors. TSN ranked Eberle second in its countdown of Canada’s greatest WJ players. One may be critical of Eberle’s play of late, but you can’t take away his past accomplishments.

  35. AZOIL says:

    Statsny might be traded before Wednesday and Avs would likely want a young defencemen. Would they take Ganger and a young d prospect? Maybe they would have taken smid had we kept him.

    Woodguy if you want to trade eberle for a stud D would you then want to keep hemsky?

    What team would give to get eberle? Who is strong on D and needs O? Nashville? Kings? Who else?

  36. Mr DeBakey says:

    HugThePost: last year when Horc broke his hand, MacT let the team drown without getting a short-term replacement centre

    That was SteveT, not MacT

  37. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: Meh. I recall (not going to look it up) that the Raymond deal was in place and waited late to make room for him. I think it’s fine to pile on MacTavish for things that have gone wrong, but for me suggesting Raymond (as an example) was an option frames the issue by quite a bit.

    Raymond was a unique case. But I thought the verbal deal was only after the PTO was in full-swing.

    I could remember it wrong though.

    I think it’s fair to say that MacT has done a poor job of fixing the 4th line and didn’t seem to maximize creative options like PTOs, find undervalued players by market inefficiencies.

    he tried. I mean Jones and Joensuu, Acton and R. Hamilton all represent swings at the bat. Some better bets than others. But, none have panned out.

    I hope he expands his process this Summer and gets more creative.

  38. gvblackhawk says:

    Ca$h-Money!: Agreed. But what I’m reading is “sign him” when that’s a dangerous oversimplification.

    Agreed actual NHL player, even one with warts, is better than 3rd rounder. Prospect that is somewhat on track (another teams 5th best prospect) way better than 3rd rounder.

    I don’t want a 3rd rounder. I’d just rather have that than nothing, or keeping Hemsky at an overpayment. That’s what “sign Hemsky” blatantly ignores.

    At this point, there is almost zero chance that Hemsky re-signs in Edmonton. From an asset management POV, it is better to get something rather than letting him walk for nothing.

  39. cabbiesmacker says:

    Getting fair value for some of these players is folly in my mind. If you want to rebuild via FA’s, pending FA’s, or trade the best thing to do is cut salary. For me it’s more important to have Gagner’s $4.8MM to spend on a decent player than worrying about whether you got equal value or better in return.

    I like Hemsky a lot but even if you could get him to sign 2 years @ 4M that’s a bit high for a player slotted in the third line. Bickell in Chitown is pulling that salary now and he’s done bugger all but make that contract a boat anchor. I could see Hemsky in Detroit or NYR where he might cushion the loss of Zucarello.

    It’s pretty sad that the players rumoured to be the bulk of your “character” lineup, Smyth, Jones, Schultz Sr., are the ones most likely to be headed out the door but there is no fit here and if they can help get those missing draft picks MacT covets so dearly then adios. The thing that bothers me more is that there seems to be more emphasis on getting those picks back than adding useful players for next year.

    Those talking of trading Eberle had best be careful of what they wish for. If Hall’s attitude is non committal now I’d just love to see how he is when his best buddy gets traded.

    This team is in tough and there is obviously a stench permeating things. What that stench might be is pure speculation. I lean towards it just be karma for the gifts of the 80′s. Looks like another Six Ring Circus coming next year unless major changes are made.

  40. sliderule says:

    HugThePost,

    If you remove Mact and insert Tambo you are right.

    Tambo was GM for that era.

  41. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Raymond was a unique case. But I thought the verbal deal was only after the PTO was in full-swing.

    I could remember it wrong though.

    I think it’s fair to say that MacT has done a poor job of fixing the 4th line and didn’t seem to maximize creative options like PTOs, find undervalued players by market inefficiencies.

    he tried. I mean Jones and Joensuu, Acton and R. Hamilton all represent swings at the bat. Some better bets than others. But, none have panned out.

    I hope he expands his process this Summer and gets more creative.

    I’m fine with Hendricks as a 4line option, and do think Lander is a reasonable bet on that line, too. Hell, I’m never going to be a fan of the role, but Gazdic fills that role well imo.

  42. HugThePost says:

    Mr DeBakey,

    You are correct sir. Thank you.

    The hard to figure out actions of Kingsway Ave have gone on so long, it has just melded into one sorry tale of tragedy and sometimes I get the characters mixed up. It’s all the same though. Thanks.

  43. gvblackhawk says:

    Lowetide: I’m fine with Hendricks as a 4line option, and do think Lander is a reasonable bet on that line, too. Hell, I’m never going to be a fan of the role, but Gazdic fills that role well imo.

    How about Lander as a 3rd line LW option? Then you supplement that line with a David Moss or similar.

  44. Lowetide says:

    HugThePost:
    They have done so many backwards things, even after Tambo left that make me wonder what actually is their plan:

    last year when Horc broke his hand, MacT let the team drown without getting a short-term replacement centre

    the team is desperately in need of centres so when an actual NHL centre like Jokinen becomes available for free, MacT passes.That shit team the Penguins who will take anyone takes Jokinen.

    Arcobello shoots the lights out when called upon.His reward?He gets benched and sent down so Gagner can get the 2C minutes.

    We are told they are going to be a ‘possession team’, but that path has been altered this year with the acquisition of guys like Gadzic, Hendricks, Fraser.

    Lander isn’t going to bring the Cup here, but he might be a helpful piece.If they trade him without giving him an audition playing with guys who are not fighters during the last weeks of this season, it will be the latest moronic move.

    We’re really going to have to remind ourselves of timeline, and I know it’s tough. MacT flushed Horc in the summer, but added Gordon and I assume felt the1-3 C’s would be Nuge, Gagner and Gordon. That didn’t work out, and I said at the time they needed to add more C’s, but he didn’t leave the team high and dry when dealing Horc (he replaced him with Gordon).

  45. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    cabbiesmacker: I could see Hemsky in Detroit or NYR where he might cushion the loss of Zucarello.

    I’ve mentioned this before, but isn’t it crazy how much luck plays into things?

    Z gets a shot on a cheap deal in a organization loaded with big contracts to try and add some pure offense on the cheap. He has a good season, gets re-upped, performs and repeat.

    http://www.capgeek.com/player/1777

    He’s still making peanuts, is on short deals with max. flexibility, but puts up points and is thought of as a key to that team.

    It’s all opportunity: cap-strapped team makes do, discovers this tiny Norwegian no one’s heard of can play and he’s never going to command trouble for the cap.

    No cap and Slats spends to the moon on Jagr or something.

    The whole situation is just funny. Makes me think of Omark so much. An inch to the right and he shoots it through the heart.

  46. admiralmark says:

    Hemsky will not sign for less then $4Mill/per. He also is not going to accept 3rd line minutes on this team. Those are two realities that just dont meld with the Oilers. Its sad because the market will pay him what he wants which is a substantial amount for a player that will only garner a 3rd rounder. But if that’s all you can get, then thats what you take now. The mistake was made 3-4 years ago when he would of brought back a solid top 4 D man or a 1st round pick. Once again Sam Gagner of been traded 1-2 years ago. Asset management is horrendous with this team. Scarey thing is pro scouting is equally horrible. Hang on this could get worse.

  47. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy:
    I wonder what Smid would fetch today?

    I have no idea.

    I’d still say more than what we got for him. But his play really does seem to have cratered this season.

  48. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    BTW:

    Bob Stauffer ‏@Bob_Stauffer 31m
    I see @SunGarrioch has the @EdmontonOilers linked to Andrei Markov. VG D. But in talking to Oilers MGT his name has never been brought up

  49. Radman says:

    Lowetide:
    Folks, I understand there’s frustration. However, if you want to write vile, vicious things about people please do it on your blog. That way you can deal with the consequences.

    Thanks LT. What makes this site worth reading is people generally aim higher here than elsewhere.

    At the game last night. It seems less and less like bottom six is an issue, and now more the top six. Perron tried to take the bull by the horns in the third. All this firepower but no offensive leader somehow.

    Hemsky must feel like a 10 year old a couple of sleeps before Christmas morning. I wish him success elsewhere.

    Sail on 87, as the man says. Meanwhile my hockey obsession drifts headlong into ambivalance.

  50. gcw_rocks says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I know Reider was a Tambo move. Just saying that if MacT trades Lander for nothing he is wandering into Tambo territory.

  51. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: I’m fine with Hendricks as a 4line option, and do think Lander is a reasonable bet on that line, too. Hell, I’m never going to be a fan of the role, but Gazdic fills that role well imo.

    MacT is working hard to create a 4th line that matches up with other teams that aren’t good.

    Meanwhile CHI, LAK, ANA, BOS, SJS, STL run good young hockey players on their 4th and are among the best in the NHL.

    Tyler’s post on this yesterday was illuminating.

    http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=6761

    I’d like MacT to get a new blue print on “How to Build a NHL Team”

    His is old and irrelevant.

  52. theres oil in virginia says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I think the evaluation goes like this:

    If the organization managed to be patient and put players in positions to succeed, or fly under the radar (i.e., Marincin) you are safe as long as you perform at whatever level you are actually playing

    If the organization mucked up your development, the player is going to have to wear it: Lander, Hartikainen

    I think MacT is all about chances and what you make of them. He seems to be trying to give a big pool of players a chance to work on the bottom spots. But, if you don’t show up, he moves on.

    This can maybe explain moves like Hartikainen, Acton, R. Hamilton, Fraser, etc. He’s hoping someone clicks and making a lot of bets.

    I agree with your assessment of how MacT is operating, ie – takes lots of swings and hope he connects. I don’t agree that the organization mucked up Hartikainen’s development. He achieved the level of what he is…a not-quite-NHL-level PF. As LT says, he covered his draft bet. Lander was definitely mucked, but what has MacT done wrong with him? He’s in the AHL and kicking ass. That’s only just now happened and that’s where he needs to be. We allude to the Detroit model of development often, but when it’s put into play, we don’t seem to have the patience for it. I think if he doesn’t get a look at the end of this season, that will say a lot. However, there’s also an argument to be made for keeping him away from Edmonton and helping OKC make a playoff push. Not getting a call-up doesn’t preclude him from getting another contract.

  53. Woodguy says:

    AZOIL,

    Woodguy if you want to trade eberle for a stud D would you then want to keep hemsky?

    I don’t think he signs here.

    He sounded pretty happy to be leaving the other day:

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=563762&catid=4

    Also,

    I think Eakins wants Perron to be a RW and often refers to him as RW.

    So if Eberle was traded I see Perron and Yak at 1/2 RW.

    I seriously doubt Eberle gets traded though.

  54. book¡je says:

    Woodguy,

    He and Eakins say the right thing and then do the wrong thing.

  55. Rod from Viking says:

    Lowetide: Do you think this team can finish this season going thru the motions and a few deals in the summer and adding another assistant coach will make this team better for next season? I don’t, either an Eberle and or Eakins and his staff has to go before next Wednesday or this team will have the same mindset to start next year. CBC showed how much fun Jordon and Taylor were having in the warm ups last night, how about making it fun to watch the game for the people who pay for the big salaries in one way or another.

  56. AZOIL says:

    Isn’t Markova a UFA this summer? I doubt he gets picked up and I just clean house and free up money and sign the players we need this summer. Even if they are bridge type 2 year deals. Get some wins and positivity until the younger d comes along.

    I’m sure one of Roy or Ott would be a UFA this summer, or Legwand, or hopefully statsny. Sign one of those as your 1/2C

    Sign 2 D that will add some stability as well and then we will add in the other pieces. Maybe at the draft we can get a trade that fill some of these but who knows. This teams has to start fixing it D and C ASAP!

    I’m too lazy, but who is a UFA gritty 3 line winger?

  57. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Radman:
    Sail on 87, as the man says. Meanwhile my hockey obsession drifts headlong into ambivalance.

    Trading Crosby would be a huge mistake. Just my opinion, though.
    :)

  58. gcw_rocks says:

    I have no problem with MacT going after Markov as a bridge player, but I lf rather him play more per season with shorter term. Markov is reportedly looking for three years at at least six mil per. I would rather the Oilers give him eight mil times two. If you are Markov and you can get $16 million over two years, or $18m over three, which do you take?

  59. FastOil says:

    It is hard to be a fan of a struggling team. A heart for winning the battle I think is part of the nature of a sports fan. It has been awful being an Oilers fan.

    It is easy to underestimate how close a climb to the middle of the pack is. With decent team play the Oilers could easily be there. The players aren’t as bad as they seem, it’s the team, which is why guys miraculously can play hockey elsewhere so often.

    It is also easy to underestimate how hard it is to get to the top and stay there. Luck plays a big part in it. The Blackhawks are probably as much luck as effort and managing skill much as the glory Oilers were. We’ll see how lucky the Oilers have been in the draft. Part of getting better is the high drafted players bringing the team up at some point. It’s the nature of the process.

    I am looking for Eakins getting the team to play together (make a team out of them) and putting good systems and practices in place. Watching the Hawks own the Pens in the game yesterday, it is clear that Hawks players know exactly what they are supposed to be doing tactically and do it. They deploy a line up that is all hockey players as far as I can tell. They have set plays and plans in the O zone. I don’ think simply relying on the players to ‘create’ is enough these days.

    If Eakins can succeed at these things he’s good enough, and it has to happen starting soon next year. This year might be too soon because the core guys are young and likely pretty beat up emotionally and even physically.

    The second piece is that MacT has to find NHL players. He may not be able to get top level players but he cannot keep gambling on non NHL players and expect to succeed – the odds aren’t going to work in his favour. He may have trouble signing them, but if between him Lowe and Howson they can’t ice a line up of competent players, well what can you say about that?

  60. cabbiesmacker says:

    Radman:
    Sail on 87, as the man says. Meanwhile my hockey obsession drifts headlong into ambivalance.

    87 ? The Oilers are trading trading Eskimo slotback Kemonte Bateman now? The bastidges.

  61. AZOIL says:

    Which one is better for our cap situation? Would both fit assuming we get rid of ganger, hemsky, nshultz and co?

    gcw_rocks:
    I have no problem with MacT going after Markov as a bridge player, but I lf rather him play more per season with shorter term. Markov is reportedly looking for three years at at least six mil per. I would rather the Oilers give him eight mil times two.If you are Markov and you can get $16 million over two years, or $18m over three, which do you take?

  62. Zangetsu says:

    I don’t know if hemmer knows it, but he is 30 years old, and has declined for several years. I can’t see any team outside of the bottom 5 playing him in the top six regularly. He is now a very capable 3line player. He has to accept that, whether it be here or elsewhere. That being said, I think he has realized this, and I expect he signs in Edmonton.

  63. AZOIL says:

    Woodguy:
    AZOIL,

    Woodguy if you want to trade eberle for a stud D would you then want to keep hemsky?

    I don’t think he signs here.

    He sounded pretty happy to be leaving the other day:

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=563762&catid=4

    Also,

    I think Eakins wants Perron to be a RW and often refers to him asRW.

    So if Eberle was traded I see Perron and Yak at 1/2 RW.

    I seriously doubt Eberle gets traded though.

    Ok so if trading Eberle is bad for the moral of Hall and Co as Cabbie points out then what would Perron get us? I love Perron but doesn’t hurt to talk about it? Would Nashville take Perron for some D? Or would Pittsburgh take him to play alongside Crosby? Then we get a 2L to fill his spot hopefully too? Gotta consider all angles right now!

  64. flyfish1168 says:

    gcw_rocks: Lowetide, He did pass on Grabovski, who was available via waivers. What are the odds of him going zero for four on the others if he pursued them aggressively? None of these players signed with good teams either. Just as its naive to think he would go four for four, it’s equally naive to think he would get none if he was trying.

    I believe if my memory serves me correct, we were at 49 contracts. So to sign any one of them we would have no room if someone else of interest comes down. I believe we are at 47 now so we now wait.

  65. Radman says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    Guys, I meant Donald Brashear.

    Looks like someone needs to take his own advice and aim higher.

  66. gcw_rocks says:

    Lowetide. I am fine with Hendricks as a fourth line option. ,

    I don’t understand this. He makes double what a typical fourth liner makes. Given how few minutes a fourth liner plays, this seems like the absolute worst place to over pay a player. For added fun, the current oilers have zero value contracts in their top six; this makes overpaying even worse.

  67. 106 and 106 says:

    Radman,

    Agree with you, Radman. It’s Sunday morning, in the Kelvin of minuses, and we are all 8 years into a rebuild. There is no light this morning. But… we’re all still here talking and thinking Oilers.

    There’s solidarity in this group of commentors and though the water is boiling over the cauldron, we knew from November that we’d have to deal in dark times for the rest of the year, and probably next.

    We’re not good enough, and we have to let that go. Until the day that LT finally posts the picture of ‘balance’ he’s been hoarding away, we’ll stay lost in the quagmire.

    But hey, we’re here together. And when the day comes that we taste the top 16 and play a game into May, we’ll all remember the dark days, shudder, and toast to the future.

  68. cabbiesmacker says:

    Radman:
    cabbiesmacker,

    Guys, I meant Donald Brashear.

    Looks like someone needs to take his own advice and aim higher.

    Ahhhh. Well there you go. Makes perfect sense now. Thanks for clearing that up.

  69. gcw_rocks says:

    flyfish1168,

    At 49, they could have grabbed one. And all they had to do was not claim McIntyre and Gazdic and you have three spots.

  70. Lowetide says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Lowetide. I am fine with Hendricks as a fourth line option. ,

    I don’t understand this.He makes double what a typical fourth liner makes. Given how few minutes a fourth liner plays, this seems like the absolute worst place to over pay a player.For added fun,the current oilers have zero value contracts in their top six; this makes overpaying even worse.

    If Hendricks can be an effective 4line guy AND penalty kill there’s value there. He’s always going to be overpriced, but I’m much happer with Hendricks in that role than Petrell (as an example). Hendricks has been a pleasant surprise to be honest, although he shouldn’t be on the 3line.

  71. Radman says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    * deftly shifts ridicule his way* Yer welcome MacT

  72. hags9k says:

    I think Taylor Hall is a very good player, the best on the team. I love watching him play when he has the fire in the belly. BUT…

    He has to stop this whiny brat routine out there and start to be the leader of this group. NOW. I get that he’s frustrated but if I have to watch much more of this PeeWee tantrum BS I’ll be calling for him to be dealt. Enough already. Grow up and claim the captaincy the right way.

  73. Andy P says:

    Given the choice, which worthwhile NHL player/s would pick the Oilers in their present iteration to play for?

    How many of the worthwhile players on this team, are excited about being on next year’s roster?

    What if Scrivens, an Edmonton home boy, refuses to sign here?

    What will MacT do, if all of the above make it clear that playing for this coach is something they will do only if they cannot go anywhere else, and if even core players with long term contracts ask to be traded?

    What if Katz himself gets tired of the losing? Does he can his friends, does he sell the team, or does he walk away from Edmonton and the Arena deal, or can he even walk away from the Arena deal? Or is the arena deal so profitable, that it doesn’t matter whether they win or lose (yet)?

  74. Hammers says:

    Lowetide: I’m fine with Hendricks as a 4line option, and do think Lander is a reasonable bet on that line, too. Hell, I’m never going to be a fan of the role, but Gazdic fills that role well imo.

    Actually I rank Gazdic as McT’s 4th best deal , a pick up for nothing that fills the role he is there for Gordon , Perron ,Scrivens are my top 3 . Adding 4 players in 1 year is more than Tambo did period .I still think our fans don’t give enough credit to other GM’s re trading players . A lot harder than we think . Like them or not Hendricks and Ference are NHL players but there being asked to play higher up than there talents . Our problem is the CORE players . 1 needs to go .

  75. PerryK says:

    Woodguy,

    That’s not a $6MM/yr player and they should turn him into an Actual 1LDman sooner rather than later while his reputation is better than the results.

    Would Ehrhoff + do it for you?

  76. The Great One says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Raymond was a unique case. But I thought the verbal deal was only after the PTO was in full-swing.

    I could remember it wrong though.

    I think it’s fair to say that MacT has done a poor job of fixing the 4th line and didn’t seem to maximize creative options like PTOs, find undervalued players by market inefficiencies.

    he tried. I mean Jones and Joensuu, Acton and R. Hamilton all represent swings at the bat. Some better bets than others. But, none have panned out.

    I hope he expands his process this Summer and gets more creative.

    This is true.

    Raymond sat all summer long waiting for an offer from Calgary that never came (who knows why?) and finally accepted a PTO from Toronto.

  77. HugThePost says:

    The value of Hendricks.

    What to do with Scrivens.

    How much is Hemsky worth.

    I long for the day where we have a team in place where the above issues are the isolated peripheral things that any top level team deals with. But instead, they are heaped on top of the huge steaming putrid issues that seem like they will never go away.

    We don’t have enough nhl players.
    So much so the actual NHL players we have are thrust into roles they are not ready for.
    Because of that we lose. A lot. In very emotionally crushing ways.
    Because we lose, we are not a desired team to play for.
    Management fails to find actual nhl players to play on this team (assuming they are trying to find them).

    Meanwhile, our bright stars of the future are starting to rot on the vine here, and their career trajectories are starting to go sideways here.

    Just typing this out depresses me, but it truly does seem this organization is stuck in this never-ending cycle of failure.

  78. commonfan14 says:

    Not to pile on, but sorry to report that Chase in person is Eberle-short. I think you have to be 5’8″ or shorter for hockeydb.com to list you at under 6 feet.

    Moroz is a caveman though.

  79. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Hall – RNH – Eberle
    Perron – Kesler – Yakupov
    Winnik – Legwand- Hemsky/Frolik
    Hendricks – Gordon – Gazdic
    Joensou
    3c Sign David Legwand
    3lw sign Winnik
    2c trade gagner + 2015 1st + prospect for Kesler
    Sign Hemsky or frolik

    Markov – Jschultz
    Marincin – Petry
    Nurse -Ekblad
    Belov
    Sign Markov
    Buyout Ference
    Draft Ekblad
    Resign Belov

    Sign Reimer
    Resign Scrivens

    Fire Eakins if possible I would ask Detroit to talk to renney

  80. Woodguy says:

    FastOil,

    The Blackhawks are probably as much luck as effort and managing skill much as the glory Oilers were

    While there are certainly a reasonable amount of luck involved in building a team, especially having draft picks work out, there is more than luck to the Hawks.

    Even putting aside how they accumulated the players they did, Quennville is deploying them like a master.

    Click the link below and check out their Vollman chart:

    http://www.extraskater.com/team/chicago-blackhawks/2013

    Quennville is deploying the 4line with super heavy Dzone starts (i.e. The Maholtra Treatment) in order to give more ozone starts to their other 3 lines.

    Bowman has good young players on the 4th (opposite of the MacT blueprint) that enables Quennville to do this.

    None of that is luck.

    Is planning and execution to exploit the old style of thinking that permeates the NHL in term of roster creation:

    1) Tough minute scoring line
    2) Soft minute scoring line
    3) Checking line
    4) Energy line

    CHI (and others) kill teams that build rosters like the above configuraiton because the will get at least 1 and often 2 favourable line matches and overwhelm the opposition.

  81. Woodguy says:

    PerryK:
    Woodguy,

    That’s not a $6MM/yr player and they should turn him into an Actual 1LDman sooner rather than later while his reputation is better than the results.

    Would Ehrhoff + do it for you?

    Not sure.

    I’d aim higher than Erhroff if Eberle is going the other way.

  82. Captain Smarmy says:

    I don’t really see how Eberle making 7-8% of the cap next season is anything to be concerned about. Woodguy periodically sounds off on that contract and the hivemind here runs with it but it’s not really the sort of contract that prevents the team from doing anything. If he can land you a top pairing dman then that’s value for value but the contract isn’t an issue.

    Especially on a team with Hemsky being less then a .5 pt per game player at 5 million. People want to resign him (at a cut rate) which may or may not be grounded in any sort of reality.

    Sam Gagner is making 4.8 million for just horrendous numbers. People here wanted him resigned (and now most want him gone) but I think he could of got those numbers on the open market last off season.

    Shawn Horcoff was a large cap hit and never put up the offensive numbers to support it. Virtually everyone wanted to keep him.

    Scrivens is interesting. While the Oilers love to flush players all the time. I think they’ve largely been able to keep the players they want. (Hemsky, Gagner, recruiting J.Schultz) but if Scrivens passes on the Oilers money it might be the start of other players passing as well. It’s not guaranteed but in the dark days of Pronger saying he wanted out it seemed like every other player that could jump ship did. (Save Roloson and ol’reliable Pisani)

    If Eberle was a UFA this year he’d get more then his contract. Even if the team needed cap space and he wasn’t playing that great we’d always have a Ference, Hendriks, N. Schultz, or Jones contract that would make more sense to jettison.

  83. Woodguy says:

    AZOIL,

    Ok so if trading Eberle is bad for the moral of Hall and Co as Cabbie points out

    If trading Eberle is bad for the morale of Hall, he should grow up.

    Its the NHL, not house leagues.

  84. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    I can’t see the Oilers getting better while keeping these players, not that I want all of these players traded.
    Eberle
    Yakupov
    Gagner
    Hemsky
    Schultz Jr.
    What concerns me is Eakins system of play & MacTavish backing that system.

    Dump & chase doesn’t bold well for players like Gagner – Hall -Eberle & Yakupov

    I can’t find the word to describe how brutal Hemsky for a pick will be? I just don’t have the words.

    My overall fear is the MacTavish actually does trade those players for clones of……
    Shawn Horcoff
    Fernando Pisani
    Marty Reasoner
    Ethan Moreau
    We are domed to be that 8th place team forever!

  85. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    theres oil in virginia: I agree with your assessment of how MacT is operating, ie – takes lots of swings and hope he connects.I don’t agree that the organization mucked up Hartikainen’s development.He achieved the level of what he is…a not-quite-NHL-level PF.As LT says, he covered his draft bet.Lander was definitely mucked, but what has MacT done wrong with him?He’s in the AHL and kicking ass.That’s only just now happened and that’s where he needs to be.We allude to the Detroit model of development often, but when it’s put into play, we don’t seem to have the patience for it.I think if he doesn’t get a look at the end of this season, that will say a lot.However, there’s also an argument to be made for keeping him away from Edmonton and helping OKC make a playoff push.Not getting a call-up doesn’t preclude him from getting another contract.

    Maybe mucked up is the wrong way to put it with Harti. I think the info was analyzed uncharitably: Harti had his swings with the big club, couldn’t score and was flushed. MacT bet on JJ.

    I think that was a mistake in reading the tea leaves.

    With Lander, you’re right about him developing on the farm. But there’s some evidence that MacT is reluctant to play lander because he can’t score in the NHL (yet). And, it sure looks like Lander has maxed out his AHL abilities NOW, ie., this is when Det would call him up.

    Now, I’m willing to wait until the deadline to see what happens. If Lander is traded for nothing, or left on the farm after the deadline a lot of questions will have to be asked.

  86. Woodguy says:

    Captain Smarmy,

    My issue with the contract is that he doesn’t produce offence on his own.

    He doesn’t get the puck on his own.

    If he’s with players who can get him the puck he’s fine, but without it he’s not even .75/pts game.

    Allocating that much cap space to a player who needs to be with other high end players to score is not good salary cap management.

    Away from RNH and Hall, he’s a pretty middling player with nice finish, but not someone you spend 9% of the cap on.

  87. Captain Smarmy says:

    Wes Mantooth-11:
    I can’t see the Oilers getting better while keeping these players, not that I want all of these players traded.
    Eberle
    Yakupov
    Gagner
    Hemsky
    Schultz Jr.
    What concerns me is Eakins system of play & MacTavish backing that system.

    I don’t buy any of this. The team is terrible and Eakins is floundering but I think he can use skill.

    Although it would be funny for Mac-T to gut the team and give us the fanbase a slightly better version of the late 90s Oilers. The season ticket holders who suffered “the rebuild” aught to love it.

  88. WeirsBeard says:

    Either Katz has to win Subban in a game of backgammon or MacT needs to pull a Flyers move, blow this up and change the mix.

    This is horrible.

  89. WeirsBeard says:

    How many 1st overalls can a team afford? The rookie contracts don’t seem to offer value if you factor in the bonuses.

  90. Captain Smarmy says:

    Woodguy,

    I thought MC’s research on last season showed that Eberle was fine without Hall and vice versa?

    I don’t know what his numbers are this year but in the past he seems to hold his own and any player who plays with lesser players generally see their numbers suffer.

    I’m fine with the idea that he might be our best chip to get a top pairing dman. I just don’t agree with this perception that he’s grossly overpaid. I don’t think his contract prevents the Oilers from doing anything. I mean right now the team has next to no value contracts in it’s bottom six or on defense. (Save Marincin) IF they could actually start populating the bottom of the roster with Acrobello’s, Landers, Feduns etc. and get some value I think Eberle’s contract is even less of an issue.

  91. Marcus Oilerius says:

    >they’re already looking at Ference as a buyout option sometime during his deal.

    Source?

  92. PREDICKTER says:

    hags9k: I think Taylor Hall is a very good player, the best on the team. I love watching him play when he has the fire in the belly. BUT…He has to stop this whiny brat routine out there and start to be the leader of this group. NOW. I get that he’s frustrated but if I have to watch much more of this PeeWee tantrum BS I’ll be calling for him to be dealt. Enough already. Grow up and claim the captaincy the right way.

    Bang on! I stated this 2 months ago. I wonder how the veterans on the team see Hall. Instead of crying and pouting he should be working hard and showing leadership even when things aren’t going well. And if he’s pissed off, he should take it out on the other teams. Everyone is all worried that the “kids” will all want out, but the “kids” are not really doing a whole bunch to help this team win right now. 6 million dollar fuckin cry babies, go out there and earn your fuckin money like the rest of us have to.

  93. Marc says:

    Woodguy:

    Its funny to see in retrospect, but guys like LT and Tyler got *killed* for suggesting Eberle’s true talent was at about 65pt/82gm (.79pts/gm) after his big season.

    Since then Eberle has played 109 games and has 83pts.

    .76pts/gm.

    That’s not a $6MM/yr player and they should turn him into an Actual 1LDman sooner rather than later while his reputation is better than the results.

    I don’t think the evidence backs you up here.

    Looking back over the past few full seasons, 65 pts places a player somewhere between 30th and 50th in league scorings – so we’re talking about an above average top line forward if you’re consistently getting 65 pts. Eberle is currently 40th in league scoring, so that looks about right for this season as well.

    If you look at cap hits this season, the 30th highest cap hit for a forward is $6M and the 50th highest is $5.3M. So a $6M cap hit for a 65 pt per season forward looks very much like fair market value – not a bargain, but not at all unreasonable.

    At worst Eberle might be overpaid by a few hundred K at this stage of the contract, but with a rising cap and the salaries of guys like Clarkson and Callahan are asking (and getting), it is very likely to be a value contract in the latter half of it.

    On what basis do you say Eberle isn’t worth $6M?

  94. SK Oiler Fan says:

    No all day to Markov and Philips. Enough of the declining players. These guys only make sense as rentals for contenders who can play them down the order. Markov is declining fast. Slow and struggles pivoting. Injuries have resulted in half the player he was. Opposition are regularly blowing buy him wide. His next contract will surely be an extreme overpay.

    I’m not hearing anything out of the media, MacT or Eakins that suggests this team is going to be better next year. I’d bet money this gets worse before it gets better.
    MacT was dealt a bad hand, but he has to aim higher in trades and UFA or don’t bother and wait for more kids to arrive. Infinibuild

  95. Lowetide says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    No all day to Markov and Philips. Enough of the declining players. These guys only make sense as rentals for contenders who can play them down the order. Markov is declining fast. Slow and struggles pivoting. Injuries have resulted in half the player he was. Opposition are regularly blowing buy him wide. His next contract will surely be an extreme overpay.

    I’m not hearing anything out of the media, MacT or Eakins that suggests this team is going to be better next year. I’d bet money this gets worse before it gets better.
    MacT was dealt a bad hand, but he has to aim higher in trades and UFA or don’t bother and wait for more kids to arrive. Infinibuild

    The problem comes in the ask. Teams are going to be after the #1 overall picks or high end youngsters. MacT cannot do that, it’s suicide.

  96. Captain Smarmy says:

    SK Oiler Fan,

    Mac-T wasn’t actually dealt too terrible a hand. Not much in the way of long term contracts. I don’t think anybody had a NTC. He needed to fill out the bottom of the roster which should of been easy enough.

    His one big challenge was finding a top flight defenseman. I don’t see that challenge as insurmountable. He signed Ference and a bunch filler that has largely failed.

    Erhoff seems to make a lot of sense since he could bridge for Nurse and maybe Klefbom and Ekblad. Don’t know what the Sabres want and have no idea if he’d agree to come.

  97. HugThePost says:

    Lowetide: The problem comes in the ask. Teams are going to be after the #1 overall picks or high end youngsters. MacT cannot do that, it’s suicide.

    I totally agree. But in pursuit of big shiny brand names from Yesterday that the Oilers are known for, it would not surprise me if MacT bit.

    Desperation easily leads to bad decision making.

  98. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    Captain Smarmy,

    I think they need skill, I honestly think Mac-T and Eakins both have it in their heads that they need big tree’s in the top six.

    Save for Hall and Hopkins, I have this incredible horrible feeling they may move all of those players.

  99. Lowetide says:

    HugThePost: I totally agree.But in pursuit of big shiny brand names from Yesterday that the Oilers are known for, it would not surprise me if MacT bit.

    Desperation easily leads to bad decision making.

    MacT showed a willingness to bite on overpay in the summer, not on sending away young talent (without fair return). I could see them signing Markov this summer, and do believe it would be a mistake, but trading one of the #1s is a different story altogether.

  100. Captain Smarmy says:

    Wes Mantooth-11,

    I agree that I’ll be disappointed if Mac-T’s vision is a better late 90′s Oilers with Hall = Smyth and RNH = Weight with a Guerin in there somewhere and a bunch of lunch bucket players.

    Although I’m in the desert here and even brackish piss water sounds pretty good right now.

  101. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: MacT showed a willingness to bite on overpay in the summer, not on sending away young talent (without fair return). I could see them signing Markov this summer, and do believe it would be a mistake, but trading one of the #1s is a different story altogether.

    I’m hoping that Markov becomes this year’s version of Streit. All smoke, no fire.

    Why does this organization seem so preoccupied on the two ends of the career spectrum? Either wet-behind-the-ears rookies or veterans whose odometers have clicked over.

    Tell me, if you draft Ekblad or Reinhart this season, do you trade Eberle for Couturier or Coburn + and then try to platoon another defensive corps for one more season as you wait for assets like Nurse and Klefbom to mature?

    Some have said that this rebuild is proceeding at a glacial pace, but I think even glaciers have shown more progression in this amount of time than the Oilers.

    Of course, win last night and the whole team is golden.

  102. Pouzar says:

    Marc: I don’t think the evidence backs you up here.

    Looking back over the past few full seasons, 65 pts places a player somewhere between 30th and 50th in league scorings – so we’re talking about an above average top line forward if you’re consistently getting 65 pts. Eberle is currently 40th in league scoring, so that looks about right for this season as well.

    If you look at cap hits this season, the 30th highest cap hit for a forward is $6M and the 50th highest is $5.3M.So a $6M cap hit for a 65 pt per season forward looks very much like fair market value – not a bargain, but not at all unreasonable.

    At worst Eberle might be overpaid by a few hundred K at this stage of the contract, but with a rising cap and the salaries of guys like Clarkson and Callahan are asking (and getting), it is very likely to be a value contract in the latter half of it.

    On what basis do you say Eberle isn’t worth $6M?

    THIS. And that contract only gets better. But yet, he’s the first guy mentioned in trade talks for #1 d-man around here. Hmmm

  103. hoser313 says:

    Who would other teams be scouting in OKC? I have to think Arco, Lander or Klefbom. Markov would help right now but I’m in the camp that doesn’t think the Oilers’ time is right now. He’s also had injury trouble so not sure he has 3 let alone 5 decent years left.

  104. AZOIL says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    No all day to Markov and Philips. Enough of the declining players. These guys only make sense as rentals for contenders who can play them down the order. Markov is declining fast. Slow and struggles pivoting. Injuries have resulted in half the player he was. Opposition are regularly blowing buy him wide. His next contract will surely be an extreme overpay.

    I’m not hearing anything out of the media, MacT or Eakins that suggests this team is going to be better next year. I’d bet money this gets worse before it gets better.
    MacT was dealt a bad hand, but he has to aim higher in trades and UFA or don’t bother and wait for more kids to arrive. Infinibuild

    Then what is your plan for a top pairing D? Shove Ekblad and Nurse into those roles way too early?

    Trade who for Erhoff if he even has edmonton on his list if places he would accept?

    Sign other UFA D? Not much there to get excited about.

    Without some D we are screwed! Look at Pittsburgh, they ride the scoring coat tails of Crosby/Malkin during the regular season but without some good D and even goalie play they get bounced in the playoffs. Chicago, LA, Boston cup winners all with stud D. We might have some studs in 3 to 5 years but until then we can’t keep floundering, we need some stop gaps!

  105. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    hoser313:
    Who would other teams be scouting in OKC? I have to think Arco, Lander or Klefbom.Markov would help right now but I’m in the camp that doesn’t think the Oilers’ time is right now.He’s also had injury trouble so not sure he has 3 let alone 5 decent years left.

    I think Gernat, Musil and Pitlick are all possibles. Gernat was a scheduled scratch last night though.

    And… in a distant land… maybe a guy like Eager.

  106. HugThePost says:

    Lowetide: MacT showed a willingness to bite on overpay in the summer, not on sending away young talent (without fair return). I could see them signing Markov this summer, and do believe it would be a mistake, but trading one of the #1s is a different story altogether.

    Yep; trading one of the #1′s for a guy like Markov is lunacy any planet. But MacT is in a different position now than he was last summer. All of the losing and negativity has put him in a more desperate spot.

    Now is the time we should all hope he uses that big brain of his and come up with rational reasonable choices.

    LT, don’t you think at some point (I think it is now), one has to expect that this team turns things around? I’m not expecting them to bring Stanley home next year, but I think one or two steps towards the playoffs is reasonable.

    Our needs on D are pretty obvious, but as far as the top 6: do you think MacT needs more evidence that the mix there isn’t right? I would be very open to a deal sending someone like Eberle away if another team need was addressed.

  107. Lowetide says:

    HugThePost:

    LT, don’t you think at some point (I think it is now), one has to expect that this team turns things around?I’m not expecting them to bring Stanley home next year, but I think one or two steps towards the playoffs is reasonable.

    I think MacTavish and Eakins get one more summer. If the team begins next season 5-12-2 then Katz asks for signatures.

  108. Rod from Viking says:

    AZOIL,

    That what needs to happen, break up Hall & Eberle and I would prefer it be Eberle. Perron is at least saying it the way it is and should not be out of the top six or traded. at this point, he was the only Oiler on the top two lines that put in an honest effort last night.

  109. gogliano says:

    I’m not averse to trading Eberle — I’d consider it for a #1 defenceman — but his cap hit seems reasonable today and probably a deal going forward. He is scoring at the rate of a #1 RW and is a 2RW at worst (if you discount for defensive liabilities). Here are his cap hits, assuming the 71 million estimate given by Bettman and modest 3% inflation in the salary cap for the last five years of his contract:

    6/71=8.5% of cap
    6/73.1=8.2% of cap
    6/75.3=8.0% of cap
    6/77.6=7.7% of cap
    6/79.9=7.5% of cap

    The cap has been rising at over double the 3% rate since 05-06 so this is a conservative estimate. Year 3 on this timeline (8%) is equivalent to a 5.14 cap hit for 13-14. So basically Hemsky’s cap hit for this season.

    For a 23 year old going into his prime years that seems like a value contract to me.

  110. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I think Gernat, Musil and Pitlick are all possibles. Gernat was a scheduled scratch last night though.

    And… in a distant land… maybe a guy like Eager.

    I’ve wondered about Eager. He fits the bill for that perennial GM-trade story that leaves everyone going “what on earth was he thinking?”.

    We can only hope. The Blackhawks took Labarbera though, so anything can happen.

  111. HugThePost says:

    Lowetide: I think MacTavish and Eakins get one more summer. If the team begins next season 5-12-2 then Katz asks for signatures.

    Fair enough. The one thing nobody can measure is how much damage you do to a player with all of the losing though. When and if any of the #1′s ask for a trade and it becomes public knowledge, then they will be completely hooped.

    The last time that happened, we traded Pronger for what ended up as Horvat and Patrick O’sullivan, if one goes through the autopsy of what happened with Smid and Lupul.

    Thank you LT for keeping this blog going, even in the darkest of times.

  112. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    RexLibris: I’ve wondered about Eager. He fits the bill for that perennial GM-trade story that leaves everyone going “what on earth was he thinking?”.

    We can only hope. The Blackhawks took Labarbera though, so anything can happen.

    Labarbera makes a lot more sense. Hell, he would have made a lot more sense than Nik.

    The Habs are my target. They were scouting the Barons and have shown willingness to sign injury troubled big men: Parros, Prust

  113. vesci says:

    Pouzar: THIS. And that contract only gets better. But yet, he’s the first guy mentioned in trade talks for #1 d-man around here. Hmmm

    I think the reason Eberle’s name is brought up in trades is threefold:

    1. He has value that may bring the Oilers back a first pairing Dman;
    2. I think we know what he is ( ie- his top end potential isn’t as high as the #1s); and
    3. The current mix is not working. To quote LT the line up is not “balanced”

    IMO It’s not that Eberle doesn’t have value or is overpaid.

  114. Pouzar says:

    vesci: I think the reason Eberle’s name is brought up in trades is threefold:

    1. He has value that may bring the Oilers back a first pairing Dman;
    2. I think we know what he is ( ie- his top end potential isn’t as high as the #1s); and
    3. The current mix is not working. To quote LT the line up is not “balanced”

    IMO It’s not that Eberle’s does have value or is overpaid.

    This encompasses Oiler Nation perfectly and you better be careful what you wish for.

  115. book¡je says:

    Lowetide: I think MacTavish and Eakins get one more summer. If the team begins next season 5-12-2 then Katz asks for signatures.

    I agree. I also think it’s the right move despite my bitter attitude lately. Give them time to adapt strategy.

  116. vesci says:

    Pouzar,

    I am not saying Eberle is the one that has to be traded, but it is clear that a change is needed and some effective Dmen ( probably at least 2) need to be added. What would you propose the Oilers do to better balance the team? I am not sure what the answer is but I do know I am sick and tired of watching the team the way it is currently constituted.

  117. cabbiesmacker says:

    vesci: I think the reason Eberle’s name is brought up in trades is threefold:

    1. He has value that may bring the Oilers back a first pairing Dman;
    2. I think we know what he is ( ie- his top end potential isn’t as high as the #1s); and
    3. The current mix is not working. To quote LT the line up is not “balanced”

    IMO It’s not that Eberle doesn’t have value or is overpaid.

    So you feel Yakupov is a better fit on the #1 than Eberle? I haven’t seen evidence of that.

    So we’ve traded away 2 right wingers, Hemsky and Eberle, and secured a top pairing D so let’s hear the lists of RW targets now. In my mind things are a lot easier if you just use Gagner’s $$, prospects, and picks to get what this team really needs. A solid 2C that “can” play with the wingers we have.

  118. Racki says:

    Lowetide: The Oilers need NHL players FAR more than they need a third round pick. I’d rather see them deal 83 for another expiring deal, or take half of Hemsky’s contract back and get a first round selection. The odds that the third round pick turns into something is completely out of whack with Hemsky’s value to a team looking for a skill winger.

    Hemsky is “excited” about the opportunity of being traded. It’s time to come to grips to the fact that he’s gonzo, don’t you think? He’s not re-signing here. I don’t blame him, and I like Hemsky, but I think the feeling of parting ways is mutual. So in other words, you probably should take what you can get before losing him to free agency. I’d rather have a player here than a pick too though. But I think it’s wishful thinking on your part to believe he’ll be back next year.

  119. Radman says:

    Between now and next August maybe management:

    1) Admits they are not winning Stanley, but need to pull out of this losing vortex, bring some stability, and consistantly compete.

    2) Hires an associate coach to help calm the waters and serve as Eakins insurance. Give Eakins a chance to right the ship. Adjusts assistants as necessary.

    3) Revamps pro scouting. We’ve got Stu for amateur scouting and Green for colleges. Good pieces there.

    4) Drafts Sam Bennett. Leave him in junior to develop and mature, play for WJs etc. Keep Gagner and let him work his way out of whatever ails him. He can fill 2nd C role until Bennett is ready. Contract aside MacT can deal him down the road when he is not at rock bottom value. Jeebus.

    5) Trade one of Yak or Ebs for top pairing D. Gord knows we need one. Perron belongs in the top six. Finds a Penner style winger with Hemsky gone.

    6) Solid pieces already here in bottom 6. Gadzookie is your face puncher who can take a 4th line shift. Hendricks is your energy guy that can agitate a bit and PK. Gordon is solid 3rd line C that can win draws and be defensively responsible. Give Lander a chance to be your 4th line C. Sign Winnik type veteran. Pitlick ?

    7) Develop existing D (Marincin, Klef, Nurse), hopefully for top pairing role one day. Sign Simpson (Dillon not Homer) . He seems like a keeper. Keep J Shultz. Tell Petry to relax, and be that solid second pairing guy. Add another serviceable NHL Dman.

    8) Sign Scrivens. Sign Halak, Hiller, Bryz or find equivalent for veteran/Scrivens tandem.

    Realize there are cap limits and stuff is often easier said than done. Bla bla. Just my two pesos gents. Feels better than just sitting around being cold and bitter.

    SIDEBAR:

    Is Alison Redford not Cruela DeVille ? Every picture of her in the paper convinces me this more and more. This whole killing the wild horse thing in southern AB is just perfect. I’ll bet she wants to make them into a coat.

  120. Glock9 says:

    hunter1909,

    I can see it happening…..We start the year with Eakins and finally MacT gives up on him. New coach——>>> Messier.

    Hellofa player and leader but a coach??? Hate to say it but probably not a coach and another Oiler season is wasted…..The team motto continues “There’s allways next year” :)

    Remember, Mess came hear from the Rangers after being passed over by Sather for the Coaching job there….

  121. cabbiesmacker says:

    Radman:
    Between now and next August maybe management:

    4) Drafts Sam Bennett. Leave him in junior to develop and mature, play for WJs etc. Keep Gagner and let him work his way out of whatever ails him. He can fill 2nd C role until Bennett is ready. Contract aside MacT can deal him down the road when he is not at rock bottom value. Jeebus.

    Bad idea. What’s he got to work out that the last 7 years haven’t given him an opportunity to do?

    History. Learn from it instead of repeating it.

    Who cares if he’s rock bottom? There’s $ 4.8 MM reasons to lose him and use it elsewhere. Last I looked there were actually some very functional C’s playing in the NHL making that coin or less.

  122. Jasmine says:

    gcw_rocks,

    Gilbert wouldn’t sign in Edmonton because he was run out of town by Oilers fans. Media has even mentioned this.

    A successful rebuild doesn’t have 5 coaches in 6 years. The problem with the Oilers is they don’t have solid vets. Pittsburgh’s rebuild was successful because they didn’t fire a coach every season and had solid vets. Oilers fans need to grow up and stop running players and coaches out of town.

  123. Jasmine says:

    hunter1909,

    Flames fans also don’t run coaches and players out of town like Oilers fans do.

    Veteran coaches and veteran GMs and veteran players won’t sign in Edmonton just to be run out of town by Oilers fan. OIlers are stuck signing players that none of the other 29 teams want.

  124. Jasmine says:

    gcw_rocks,

    It should be that way. Tambo traded every single player Lowe bought in but nothing is said because of the Oilers fans Lowe hatred.

  125. AZOIL says:

    cabbiesmacker: So you feel Yakupov is a better fit on the #1 than Eberle? I haven’t seen evidence of that.

    So we’ve traded away 2 right wingers, Hemsky and Eberle, and secured a top pairing D so let’s hear the lists of RW targets now. In my mind things are a lot easier if you just use Gagner’s $$, prospects, and picks to get what this team really needs. A solid 2C that “can” play with the wingers we have.

    I agree, get a solid defensive minded 2c first and see how that “balances things out!”

  126. The Great One says:

    Mark Spector ‏@SportsnetSpec 43m

    Trade market is soft for Gagner. Very soft. RT @adam_olson7: Where is Gagner gonna go? Any fit in Chicago, playing with Kane?

  127. Radman says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    cabbiesmacker,

    Hate selling low. He is not our guy going forward, no argument. My vote is to draft the next Sam and leave the current one in place for a year until the new one is ready. If there is a reasonable, cheaper and available alternative so be it. Just hate selling low on an actual NHL player.

  128. Lowetide says:

    The Great One:
    Mark Spector ‏@SportsnetSpec43m

    Trade market is soft for Gagner. Very soft. RT @adam_olson7: Where is Gagner gonna go? Any fit in Chicago, playing with Kane?

    Makes sense. Teams are looking for expiring contracts and Gagner hasn’t played well.

  129. Jasmine says:

    HugThePost,

    Tambo didn’t do a damn thing when Horc broke his hand. Stop blaming MacT for Tambo’s mistakes. Tambo was fired after the trading deadline last season.

  130. sumaclab says:

    If its me I trade Perron. We talk about changing the mix and everyone forwards Eberles name. Perron would give you more return especially for a team like LA who is looking for top six talent.

    The Pens are my target team. Letang is a maybe. Fleury is a maybe going into the playoffs. They need another top 6 forward. Why not fleece them for a Sutter and picks/prospects. How many times can the Pens go to the well and come up dry?

    Washington is so close. Target them.

    The Hurricanes need help desparetly.

    Just saying that there are options out there if we are willing.

  131. jake70 says:

    Glock9:
    Remember, Mess came hear from the Rangers after being passed over by Sather for the Coaching job there….

    How Sather himself has kept his job there that long is mind-boggling considering the Manhattan skyline, gazillions of dollars, non-stop airline flights to anywhere in europe or NA for players, anonymity up the wazoo for players and any other great features of the city that never sleeps he has at his disposal to offer, and still no cup. (now watch the rangers go on a run and win Stanley).

  132. gvblackhawk says:

    Jasmine:
    hunter1909,

    Flames fans also don’t run coaches and players out of town like Oilers fans do.

    Veteran coaches and veteran GMs and veteran players won’t sign in Edmonton just to be run out of town by Oilers fan. OIlers are stuck signing players that none of the other 29 teams want.

    Stop. Just stop. You are embarrassing yourself again.

  133. cabbiesmacker says:

    sumaclab:
    If its me I trade Perron. We talk about changing the mix and everyone forwards Eberles name. Perron would give you more return especially for a team like LA who is looking for top six talent.

    Good plan. Oilers finally get a guy that performs and changes up the “very young, very fancy, and just wait til you see what he does next year” mantra and poof…he’s gone.

    That’s how winning teams are built.

    Better plan? Go out and find some more who play just like him instead of repeating the same tired and underperforming bullshit.

    Perron was supposed to change up results all by himself now I guess.

  134. Hammers says:

    Nobody will agree but maybe its time for LT’s 3 for 1 . Difference is the 1 is Hall . McT should get a top “D” ( #2 or # 3) plus a better “C” than Gags plus a prospect . When I here what they say Kesler is worth who is 6-7 years older than Hall I would trade Hall. Question would Hall get you Tyutin , Dubinsky + ??? from Columbus or Colburn , B Schen +??? from Philly . I think it would and if not from those teams then another team . Our long term “D” situation looks fairly good and if we draft Bennet , Reinhart or Ekblad we have decent depth in 2 years including Klef , Nurse ,Genat & Simpson . We are 2-3 years out from a top team but we need NHL players now .

  135. Oilanderp says:

    This Flyers/Capitals game is great! Goals, tips, plays, hits, scrums, meanness…. For some reason I have never been able to get into watching other teams play. I guess I couldn’t enjoy a game unless I was emotionally invested. These days, I can. I’m scared, Oilers. Should we see other people? As the smartest guy in the room once said, “If you have to ask the question, you already have your answer.”

    *sigh*

    Someone hold me.

  136. teddyturnbuckle says:

    I’m a little concerned about MacT’s comments saying the team has improved over the season. I don’t see it at all. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if we finished last in the standings again this year. Buffalo is on pace to pass us soon and from what I’ve seen the last two games I think these guys just want the season over.

  137. emonkee says:

    Oilanderp,

    I am watching that game too. The way the flyers control the board and control the possession to score the PP game (their 3rd goal), and their GT goal, man, i don’t ever remember the oilers playing like that at all this season.

    I consider Perron one of the untouchable. Why would we want to move a guy who actually give a crap everynight?

    After years of watching this team, not only do we need size, we need ppl we give a care, and a lot more emotion…I don’t know if these, “I will let my skill do the talking” works, coz nothing is working for us.

    Watching the bulls vs. knicks game as well, even though CHI doesn’t have the most talent, they work their butt off every possession.

    For the first time, I actually don’t mind Eberle get traded if we get someone with a little more emotion.

  138. Radman says:

    cabbiesmacker: Good plan. Oilers finally get a guy that performs and changes up the “very young, very fancy, and just wait til you see what he does next year” mantra and poof…he’s gone.

    That’s how winning teams are built.

    Better plan? Go out and find some more who play just like him instead of repeating the same tired and underperforming bullshit.

    Perron was supposed to change up results all by himself now I guess.

    Hell ya. This team needs MORE not less Perron.

  139. RexLibris says:

    The Great One:
    Mark Spector ‏@SportsnetSpec43m

    Trade market is soft for Gagner. Very soft. RT @adam_olson7: Where is Gagner gonna go? Any fit in Chicago, playing with Kane?

    Half-expected Spector to use “Petry soft” to describe the trade market.

  140. FastOil says:

    Woodguy:
    FastOil,

    The Blackhawks are probably as much luck as effort and managing skill much as the glory Oilers were

    While there are certainly a reasonable amount of luck involved in building a team, especially having draft picks work out, there is more than luck to the Hawks.

    Even putting aside how they accumulated the players they did, Quennville is deploying them like a master.

    Click the link below and check out their Vollman chart:

    http://www.extraskater.com/team/chicago-blackhawks/2013

    Quennville is deploying the 4line with super heavy Dzone starts (i.e. The Maholtra Treatment) in order to give more ozone starts to their other 3 lines.

    Bowman has good young players on the 4th (opposite of the MacT blueprint) that enables Quennville to do this.

    None of that is luck.

    Is planning and execution to exploit the old style of thinking that permeates the NHL in term of roster creation:

    1) Tough minute scoring line
    2) Soft minute scoring line
    3) Checking line
    4) Energy line

    CHI (and others) kill teams that build rosters like the above configuraiton because the will get at least 1 and often 2 favourable line matches and overwhelm the opposition.

    I agree, in the 4th paragraph of my windy post I mentioned how well they are coached and play. It was probably too boring to read that far :)

    I do think they were lucky with getting a player like Toews at 3 OV, Keith and Seabrook being so good, etc. But Bowman has been smart and gone new school in getting mobile D that can handle a puck over just choosing size and violence, and icing 4 lines of NHL competent players I think based on things other than size or the appearance of a player you wish you had.

    Bowman has made a couple of marginal deals as well as with Crawford and Bickell for example. Probably doesn’t hurt having his dad to talk to. Nobodies perfect, but having a deep roster of players and a good leader covers a lot of errors.

  141. Lowetide says:

    Is Ryan Smyth a viable trade option? Yes

    http://oilersnation.com/2014/3/2/airport-14

  142. Jasmine says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    Having 5 coaches in 7 years is what’s hurting Gagner. It’s also hurting the other young players by having 5 coaches in 6 years. Oilers need to stop firing coaches to please Oilers fans.

  143. AZOIL says:

    Hell, if a Wayne simmonds is what we need then overpay for him? He might even put up more than 40 with us each year with the talent he will play with. Just finished watching him win puck battles all day on the boards vs the Caps! Eberle isn’t gonna do that for you! I like Eberle and I don’t want to trade him but if he puts up 60pts for another team each year so be it, if we get better as a team either on D or a gritty winger then great, it’s a win/win.

  144. Captain Smarmy says:

    A touching and beautiful pre-game of the Canucks celebrating the losing of the Stanley Cup 20 years ago.

    Including Edmonton Oiler Senior Consultant Pat Quinn!

  145. flyfish1168 says:

    Jasmine:
    cabbiesmacker,

    Having 5 coaches in 7 years is what’s hurting Gagner. It’s also hurting the other young players by having 5 coaches in 6 years. Oilers need to stop firing coaches to please Oilers fans.

    I totally agree, this has not helped. I have been very critical about Eakins and still am. I believe he is a very knowledgeable coach with good ideas and intentions. But if the players don’t like the guy it doesn’t matter how much knowledge or great ideas he has. To go with these credentials you need the players to believe and want to play 110 % for you. People try harder for you if the like you.

    I feel we need to find an associate coach to work along side Eakins. If the results are not there then it is easier to let Eakins go without really starting over. We need someone comfortable with the media, not over teaching, understand our core players and use our cores strengths and lastly be liked by the players.

  146. Marc says:

    Lowetide: Makes sense. Teams are looking for expiring contracts and Gagner hasn’t played well.

    How do you square this with your view that Smid would have fetched more at the deadline than he did when MacT traded him?

  147. bendelson says:

    Captain Smarmy,

    It’s Pat Quinn!
    Oops.

    Shut down the audio!
    Shut down the audio!

  148. 36 percent body fat says:

    oilgreg,
    sorry i meant post drafter not over ager, and yes past accomplishments, but other than being on a stacked team his team has always been terrible. Yes I cant take his past accomplishments away but management needs to stop living in its glory and paying as such.

    99% of people who believe eberle is worth 6m are living on these two moments and will not have reasonable expectations for him as a 65 point player, who has no back checking ability.

    He is the next gagner but playing a much easier position with superior linemates.

  149. Captain Smarmy says:

    36 percent body fat,

    Disagree. Nobody has given any really evidence that Eberle is vastly overpaid.

    Plus he’s much better then Gagner always has been and always will be.

  150. Ben says:

    So….this is just a completely normal NHL game but with an extra 30,000 really lousy seats?

  151. Gerta Rauss says:

    Ben:
    So….this is just a completely normal NHL game but with an 30,000 really EXPENSIVE seats?

    I fixed that for you Ben

    In fairness, if the weather cooperated they would have opened the roof. I’m 45 minutes up the highway in Squamish and woke up to 15cm of snow in the back yard-really mucking up my golf plans in the process.

    Not sure what the accumulation in Vancouver is but when it snows in the lower mainland it gets messy.

  152. Ben says:

    My frost-bitten Montreal toes are weeping maple tears for your poor missed golf game :)

    The mess and unpredictability is kind of the novelty of it, if you ask me.

  153. Gerta Rauss says:

    Lowetide:
    Trading Arcobello

    http://www.puckrant.com/slapshot/ONE_TRADE_I_WOULD_LIKE_TO_SEE

    I’m glad you started tooting your own horn with these links LT. You SHOULD be posting these links on your blog to generate more traffic to your posts on other sites.

  154. Gerta Rauss says:

    Ben,

    Ha!!

    I generate very little sympathy from friends and family in Edmonton…:)

  155. SaskFan says:

    http://www.extraskater.com/team/montreal-canadiens/2013

    Look at the sledgehammer. Markov is playing with worse zone starts than Subban and having very slightly better results. His play will fall off do to age but 3x 6 or 2x 7 are decent deals. I’d take him on my team anyday.

  156. VanOil says:

    Watching the Tank Battle Eastern Conference addition Florida v. NYI. I covet Matthias, Brock Nelson and most of all Kulikov for the Oilers.

    GERTA RAUSS it is rain at this end of the Sea to Sky. Expensive seats, more expesive beer but the big TV screen is great and probably does not come with Glenn Healy audio.

  157. SK Oiler Fan says:

    AZOIL,

    They need to sign or trade for Giordanos 2 years before they’re Giordanos. They need to trade for underappreciated Bouwmeesters. Show some improvements and a Hamhuis might sign a value contract. At the same time they need to keep developing an Elder and Tanev. It is possible to acquire valued assets that appreciate or at least stay level. It takes excellent pro scouting, drafting, and some luck so it will never happen here.

  158. 36 percent body fat says:

    Captain Smarmy,

    The fact that he makes as much as hall and has had less UFA years bought make him over paid. There is no work effort and his defensive play was horrendous. If he was not on our deepest forward position this would look a lot worse.

    Just because the contract may look ok in a few years does not mean he is not overpaid. Lets just give everyone on the team and extra million when we have all the negotiating power in the process.

    If he would have signed a bridge deal ALA Subban, he would have resigned his extension for 5.3 on a 70M cap hit. This is a much more reasonable contract.

  159. sliderule says:

    Jasmine:
    cabbiesmacker,

    Having 5 coaches in 7 years is what’s hurting Gagner. It’s also hurting the other young players by having 5 coaches in 6 years. Oilers need to stop firing coaches to please Oilers fans.

    The solution for oiler coaches is simple,.
    Start winning and you won’t get fired.

  160. godot10 says:

    Woodguy:

    There are only 3 Dmen I’d keep from the roster and they fit in here:

    1st pairing X-X
    2nd pairing X-Petry
    3rd pairing Marincin-J.Shultz

    I trade Eberle for real help.

    The man doesn’t win puck battles and seems uninterested in the game when not in the ozone.

    Its funny to see in retrospect, but guys like LT and Tyler got *killed* for suggesting Eberle’s true talent was at about 65pt/82gm (.79pts/gm) after his big season.

    Since then Eberle has played 109 games and has 83pts.

    .76pts/gm.

    That’s not a $6MM/yr player and they should turn him into an Actual 1LDman sooner rather than later while his reputation is better than the results.

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2012/07/re-12-13-jordan-eberle.html

    http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=4862

    The studly captain Ference has 3 more years and a full NMC. He seems to be missing from your rosters.

    Eberle is a bargain at $6 million.

    Semin is earning $7 million.

    The elite guys Perry and Kessel come in over $8 million.

    Perron will get $7 million as a UFA in two years, based on Semin’s contract.

    Plus, Hemsky will likely wants to try life elsewhere, and I doubt Larionov with let Yakupov sign another contract with the Oilers. Yakupov will take a big KHL salary for a season waiting for the Oilers to trade him, if they don’t trade him before his entry level is up.

  161. godot10 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Reider was a Tambo move. I’ve said since many times I don’t think MacT makes the trade. My conviction here has wavered… but I still think he doesn’t do it. That’s a Tambo move through-and-through.

    Rajala did pretty much the exact thing Reider did, and MacT did effectively the exact same thing Tambellini did.

    Both Reider and Rajala wanted out, and the GM at the time obliged.

  162. The Great One says:

    Raffi Torres with his 3rd goal in his 2nd game of the season.

  163. 36 percent body fat says:

    Eberles winning percentage since being drafted

    Pats .465
    Pats .417
    Oilers .305
    Oilers .390
    Oilers .396
    Oilers .323

    Yup this guy knows about winning.

  164. godot10 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:

    To your list of useful UFAs missed we can add more creative options: Peter Mueller and Patrick Thoresen would have been cheap W/C options for the 4th line. They were both discussed here a fair bit through the summer.

    MacT was left with the makings of a good 4th line, and 2 extra forwards, and he threw it away.

    Paajarvi/Smyth, Lander/Arcobello, Hartikainen/Paajarvi

    Created a problem where none existed.

  165. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    godot10: Rajala did pretty much the exact thing Reider did, and MacT did effectively the exact same thing Tambellini did.

    Both Reider and Rajala wanted out, and the GM at the time obliged.

    I would have worked harder to sign Rajala.

    But your Tambo/Reider MacT/Rajala comp couldn’t be more off. We know this because of how Tambo treated Omark.

    MacT was willing to let Rajala find his own way, not hamstring his future.

    MacT has shown a penchant for decisions and moving on that Tambo can’t comprehend.

  166. SaskFan says:

    Kyle Quincey also looks solid, trade Eberle for the best D you can get and suddenly

    xxx-Markov
    Quincey-Petry
    Marincin-Jultz

    That’s a legitimate NHL defence.

  167. godot10 says:

    Lowetide: I’m fine with Hendricks as a 4line option, and do think Lander is a reasonable bet on that line, too. Hell, I’m never going to be a fan of the role, but Gazdic fills that role well imo.

    4th line players shouldn’t be earning $1.8 million. That is a 3rd line salary. 4th line players shouldn’t be on 4 year contracts either. Two years at most.

  168. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    godot10: MacT was left with the makings of a good 4th line, and 2 extra forwards, and he threw it away.

    Paajarvi/Smyth, Lander/Arcobello, Hartikainen/Paajarvi

    Created a problem where none existed.

    I think this is fair, if contextless.

    The Perron trade was a clear upgrade. Smyth is on the 4th line.

    Eakins has no interest in Arco on the 4th… that’s a real problem, but so far both Lander/Arco are in the system. I also think starting the season with Lander at 4C would have been a huge mistake.

    I think Harti would have been a better bet than JJ. I get his “turnover rate” thinking here.

    So, 3 of those guys are still here. 1 was clearly upgraded. 1 wasn’t ready for the NHL. And, 1 was essentially swapped on a bad bet (so far).

  169. Pouzar says:

    Arc and Horak really clicking nice on the farm…2 more pts each already today

  170. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    barons game:

    http://cdnx.livetv.sx/webplayer.php?t=ifr&c=107033&lang=en&eid=219220&lid=107033&ci=328&si=2

    Bunz in net. finally getting a game. his last?

  171. cabbiesmacker says:

    Jasmine:
    cabbiesmacker,

    Having 5 coaches in 7 years is what’s hurting Gagner. It’s also hurting the other young players by having 5 coaches in 6 years. Oilers need to stop firing coaches to please Oilers fans.

    Allow me to play devil’s advocate if you will.

    Sam Gagner = Coach Killer.

    btw I could not disagree with you more. Gagner just is what he is – not good enough on this team and certainly not good enough for a 4.8 M caphit “Anywhere.” A fact being played out right now that MacTavish can’t get anything of value for him. What is his value anyways?

    All I wanna hear is the toilet flushing and if a big roll of sock tape is regurgitated that’s just fine.

  172. cabbiesmacker says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    barons game:

    Bunz in net. finally getting a game. his last?

    Dare to dream laddy. Dare to dream.

  173. godot10 says:

    Lowetide: We’re really going to have to remind ourselves of timeline, and I know it’s tough. MacT flushed Horc in the summer, but added Gordon and I assume felt the1-3 C’s would be Nuge, Gagner and Gordon. That didn’t work out, and I said at the time they needed to add more C’s, but he didn’t leave the team high and dry when dealing Horc (he replaced him with Gordon).

    There was no need to flush Horcoff. MacT still has one compliance buyout that he could have used this summer on Horcoff if he had become cap-constrained.

    He had a 3rd line of Gordon, between Horcoff and Hemsky, and threw it away. He didn’t keep a good player, and there was absolutely no necessity to move him, and arguably an absolute necessity to keep him, because of the Nugent-Hopkins recovery.

    Horcoff was also a necessary bridge between the young guys and the new coach and the new veterans.

    It was an extremely bad decision for MacT to trade him last summer.

  174. DBO says:

    Lander being dealt may drive over the edge with MacT. Calgary is glowing about Backlund, yet Lander has same skill set and is younger. Give Lander Gagners minutes and line mates for 20 games.

    Move Gagners for a young D. Sign Hemsky. Balance out team. Get real nhlers on all lines. Overpay for dman if needed, but please don’t flush a guy like Lander without giving him a chance.

  175. godot10 says:

    Zangetsu:
    I don’t know if hemmer knows it, but he is 30 years old, and has declined for several years. I can’t see any team outside of the bottom 5 playing him in the top six regularly. He is now a very capable 3line player. He has to accept that, whether it be here or elsewhere. That being said, I think he has realized this, and I expect he signs in Edmonton.

    Ottawa can sign him for 2 years and $2 milllion per season, with performance bonuses to pay him $5 million per season, and play him with Spezza.

    The Rangers can do that. The Devils can do that. Nashville can do that, etc. etc.

  176. gogliano says:

    Where is this Lander trade talk coming from?

  177. cabbiesmacker says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:

    But your Tambo/Reider

    On that and other unrelated to Oilers news…Reider gets his 21st or 22nd (one can never tell in the AHL), of the year in todays game.

    And in even further from the point Oiler news….Waste of a draft pick Jack Skille scores and waste of words JFJ gets the assist. Yah.

  178. sliderule says:

    godot10: There was no need to flush Horcoff.MacT still has one compliance buyout that he could have used this summer on Horcoff if he had become cap-constrained.

    He had a 3rd line of Gordon, between Horcoff and Hemsky, and threw it away.He didn’t keep a good player, and there was absolutely no necessity to move him, and arguably an absolute necessity to keep him, because of the Nugent-Hopkins recovery.

    Horcoff was also a necessary bridge between the young guys and the new coach and the new veterans.

    It was an extremely bad decision for MacT to trade him last summer.

    I have a hunch that you have to look upstairs as to why Horc was traded.

    The same Horc that Mact ran out onto ice to hug in 2006.

  179. VanOil says:

    gogliano,

    OKC has been scouted heavily the last week. Lander is there best offensive player.

  180. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide: I’m going to cheer like hell for him.

    excellent article.

  181. Nostradumbass says:

    The Eberle narrative’s getting spun are becoming more and more ridiculous

    Early in the year I kept reading the “Eberle isn’t clutch” and “Eberle thrives on garbage time”

    If we mis-priced a 1st line winger (and that’s what somebody with Jordan’s G/60 and P/60 is) by 0.5 million, that’s about 43rd on the list of Oiler lineup issues

    Should Eberle apologize to the “Hemky Cabal” for being more productive and more durable than Hemsky and oh yeah 7 years younger

  182. kooler says:

    Has Lander ever had the same opportunity to points up with the Oil as he’s had with OKC. I mean PP time, better liberates? Can’t test the guy with 4th line minutes and line mates can you?

  183. Lowetide says:

    Moroz scores his 33rd.

  184. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    And, Martindale scores to tie it up 3-3. After a 3-0 start in the first, where they were outshot 19-9, the Rampage come back with three of their own.

  185. DeadmanWaking says:

    gvblackhawk: At this point, there is almost zero chance that Hemsky re-signs in Edmonton. From an asset management POV, it is better to get something rather than letting him walk for nothing.

    Howdy. I’ll probably tail post a little something concerning online incivility in the wee hours tonight.

    For now, just a quick counterpoint on asset management: no amount of asset management saves the day if your precious tools are rusting away in a leaky tool shed. You might tip over the shoebox some dull night in February and admire all your shrewd receipts, but your tools will still suck in the harsh light of spring if you’ve neglected the oil the drapes.

    Suppose one assumes that our record in our first twenty games next season is most likely to be just a tiny bit better than our record for the remainder of this season. Does it not then make sense to invest significantly in our level of play to close out a failed season?

    Personally, at this extremely not-fine juncture, I’d rather have an extra three or four wins to close out the season than a distant third on a distant scroll.

    Sure, either way they’ll ride into camp next year riding high on a clean sheet. But then three losses pile up to weak Eastern teams in one bad road trip, and the clean sheet effect is officially soiled. Now they’re back to remembering how the previous season ended. When that day comes, it would damn good if the previous season ended in plausible mediocrity rather than an Oiler jersey yard sale.

    In my model, there comes a point where wins carry over. There comes a point where the carry-over is worth more than a fresh tooth under the pillow.

    If one’s pantry is half full and one is going to have to put players into positions where the best they can hope for is a pink bubble in the quadrant of honour instead of a crimson bubble in the quadrant of shame, it’s better to plug a serviceable vet on his last lap into the breech than a raw Marincin who is still dialing in the exact point where trying to do more achieves less.

    I’m okay with Eakins trying to bring back elements of the swarm even if it costs wins, so long as some halfway convincing metric shows sustained progress.

    The one thing we do gain from having a six-foot-deep beer cooler on the team bus is making Todd Nelson look good. I’m not sure gaining half a white-label six pack in exchange for Hemmer achieves even this small result.

    Assets smassets. Just win, baby. Now. Not later. None of this patent bullshit about next October.

  186. dangilitis says:

    LT and Woodguy,

    Pretty surprised to hear both of you trying to trade players for picks.

    Arcobello did deliver good offence. His stats wouid have looked a lot better if you cut them off at the time Gagner returned, when he was scoring nearly a ppg despite a shooting percentage that defied explanation. His line was eating up soft minutes, weren’t they? Kind of like what you need from a #2C? Then Gagner returned, and he was shifted around and basically trampled on. So you think that is worth a late draft pick that has a <10% chance of being a player? I am sorry if I disagree with your assessment that he is a tweener based on 20 really good games as a #2C followed by 20 average games being punted around with Gazdic and the funky bunch…

    Eberle at 6mil/season is an overpay, yes, but he is still a good player. If one can trade him for a #1LD, sure. You are creating a new hole that is hopefully easier to fill. But I think that will be difficult, and would have been difficult 2 years ago too. And how would the trade make Hallsy feel? Ya, ya, no room for hurt feelings, etc. but good teams keep good players who like each other together, don't they? Doesn't that help team building? Philly traded Richards and Carter and everyone thought they were party boys. We all know how that turned out in LA. I think if you are trading Eberle, you better win the deal and what you proposed woodguy (top pair D, on a good contract with length, I might add) is the only way you win the deal. Because you need to keep the core happy.

    Get good players, keep good players?

  187. Oilanderp says:

    Davidson!

  188. DBO says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Good read. Makes me want Hemsky signed for the reasons in that article. We have a player who drives the play, and it takes only money to gt him for a few years.

  189. maudite says:

    Time and opportunity.

    When philly was floundering early there was both. I’m sorry but they could have been a much different looking team much earlier right there. You can’t tell me otherwise. Good GM’s are married to no one and sell high.

    Eberle, Hemsky, Gagner, J Shultz, Def Prospect for some package of Simmonds, SC and Coburn there was a way to make it happen. Key pieces being Gagner plus for SC.

    I still think Eberle + Gagner for Simmonds + SC could have easily happened. I still think this would have been a good move team make up wise.

    Patch work overpaid defenseman on the tail end of things are not the answer. Ship still sailing backwards. I’d put money on Buffalo being a solid playoff contender before us. I am quite certain EDM are in the CLB, Atlanta, Florida, NYI end of trough and not pulling out fast enough.

  190. gvblackhawk says:

    DeadmanWaking: Howdy.I’ll probably tail post a little something concerning online incivility in the wee hours tonight.

    For now, just a quick counterpoint on asset management: no amount of asset management saves the day if your precious tools are rusting away in a leaky tool shed.You might tip over the shoebox some dull night in February and admire all your shrewd receipts, but your tools will still suck in the harsh light of spring if you’ve neglected the oil the drapes.

    Suppose one assumes that our record in our first twenty games next season is most likely to be just a tiny bit better than our record for the remainder of this season.Does it not then make sense to invest significantly in our level of play to close out a failed season?

    Personally, at this extremely not-fine juncture, I’d rather have an extra three or four wins to close out the season than a distant third on a distant scroll.

    Sure, either way they’ll ride into camp next year riding high on a clean sheet.But then three losses pile up to weak Eastern teams in one bad road trip, and the clean sheet effect is officially soiled.Now they’re back to remembering how the previous season ended.When that day comes, it would damn good if the previous season ended in plausible mediocrity rather than an Oiler jersey yard sale.

    In my model, there comes a point where wins carry over.There comes a point where the carry-over is worth more than a fresh tooth under the pillow.

    If one’s pantry is half full and one is going to have to put players into positions where the best they can hope for is a pink bubble in the quadrant of honour instead of a crimson bubble in the quadrant of shame, it’s better to plug a serviceable vet on his last lap into the breech than a raw Marincin who is still dialing in the exact point where trying to do more achieves less.

    I’m okay with Eakins trying to bring back elements of the swarm even if it costs wins, so long as some halfway convincing metric shows sustained progress.

    The one thing we do gain from having a six-foot-deep beer cooler on the team bus is making Todd Nelson look good.I’m not sure gaining half a white-label six pack in exchange for Hemmer achieves even this small result.

    Assets smassets.Just win, baby.Now.Not later.None of this patent bullshit about next October.

    I would agree with all of that IF keeping Hemsky actually led to more wins in this final quarter. But after watching the team’s performance in the two post-break games, I just don’t get the feeling that their winning percentage is going to change much regardless if he is on the team or not. Hemsky is one man and cannot compensate for abysmal defense, an ineffective power play, and a top six forward group that appears to have mentally checked out already. Moreover, the last three weeks of the season is not going to be kind: Anaheim 3 times, SJ twice, LA, Phoenix. It’s going to be a race to the bottom of the standings and it’s going to be ugly. Luckily, I’ll be living in Paris by then and won’t be ‘forced’ to watch the games.

    In a perfect world, the team would have shown some progress and perhaps he would have considered resigning with the Oilers. However, that is not the case, so I would prefer to see them get a return (I know it is only mediocre magic beans) for him before he is gone.

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