THE ERONKO ANGLE

Craig MacTavish is probably going to change up his jacks and kings this summer. With Hall, Nuge, Yak, Perron, Eberle and Gagner as the projected top 6F next season, there’s too much of the same thing on the roster. He can deal $6M Eberle, but the smart money has him sending Samwise Gagner out of town and using the $4.8M cap hit on a different player-type. Less Gagner, more Krushelnyski, as it were.

The Oilers could deal Gagner for a center straight up, or they could take those dollars and approach the free agent market. They might target David Legwand or Mikhail Grabovski or even Dave Bolland, and that might be their best chance to solve the problem. Legwand has size and experience, Grabo might be a perfect fit for Yakupov and is a nice possession player, and Bolland would be a solid pickup and a different look.

AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!

Or, they could add Yakupov’s hometown buddy, Bogdan Yakimov. He’s 20 in October and impressed MacTavish earlier in the season.

eronkoEronko is connected and has been ahead of the story out of Russia before, so this is an interesting item. We assume Yakimov is slated to attend training camp, but if he’s signing to play in Edmonton with the Oilers at age 20? His NHLE via the Vollman method is 82GP, 14-9-23.

  • Craig MacTavish: “Bogdan Yakimov is a mammoth of a guy and he looked good. He won faceoffs, killed penalties and played on the power play. He’s come a long way the last couple of years with his skating and skill level. Hopefully we’ll sign him and bring him over next year.”

If that’s the option, what to do with Sam Gagner?

SAM GAGNER PLAYER CARD

gagner extra skater mar 15This is Gagner over the last three seasons. We see erosion in the boxcars but that’s explained by the Kassian stupidity. We also see a grave shooting percentage (which should correct) and a Corsi For % 5×5 that doesn’t excite math. However, he’s not so far removed from a nice CF% season (well, a passable one) and you can make the argument that he’s very likely to improve offensively next season unless the jawbreaker calls again. I don’t think you would have a difficult time finding possible trade partners for your Gagner.

MEANWHILE, BACK AT THE RANCH

Badlands (1973) Blu-ray Screenshot

OILERS 2014 DRAFT PICKS

  • #2 overall (first round)
  • #91 overall (fourth round, this is the Bryzgalov return)
  • #116 overall (fourth round, this is the Mike Brown return)
  • #128 overall (fifth round, this is the first pick of the Ales Hemsky return)
  • #136 overall (fifth round, this is the Nick Schultz return)
  • #152 overall (sixth round)
  • #182 overall (seventh round)

The Oilers need to add some picks, I’d say at least a couple before draft day. Although the rebuild is nearing an end (they HAVE to move north in the fall), there is a task at hand in regard to Gagner, and that’s the contract. He might be attractive to the Islanders, who have #35 and #65; the Sabres, who have #28 (pending), #31 and #42 (and possibly the Islanders first round pick, although that’s another story).

Something to ponder: are the Oilers about to get YOUNGER at center? The better bet is to find an NHL veteran to pair with Yakupov, and Grabovski is a very nice idea. However, I have this feeling that Bogdan’s size (6.05, 202) is the appeal here. If the Eronko angle is correct, Darnell Nurse isn’t the only teenager to follow among the Oiler kids.

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  1. Chris says:

    I have to wonder if with better coaching, depth and defense this team couldn’t put up a much better showing absent any significant moves in the top six. The Gagner no trade clause is unfortunate as this season really is hard to evaluate with that jaw injury he rushed back from.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Chris:
    I have to wonder if with better coaching, depth and defense this team couldn’t put up a much better showing absent any significant moves in the top six. The Gagner no trade clause is unfortunate as this season really is hard to evaluate with that jaw injury he rushed back from.

    I think it’s better Gagner is dealt. His skills are obvious but so are his weaknesses, and those things will be difficult to overcome moving forward. Better he plays for a veteran group who could use a skill guy to help the offense. Nashville would be a nice destination.

  3. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide: Nashville would be a nice destination.

    Or Columbus. It’s gonna take a lot to convince me that “The Bog-man” is ready to come over and play 2C in the NHL.

  4. leadfarmer says:

    I’m guessing Snow will keep his pick this year, and then sign every available free agent to short term overpays to minimize his Vanek error.

    IMO, still think in the long run 2 of Eberle, Yak, and Gagner will need to be upsized to compete in the western conference. Not that a base of Hall, RHN, and Perron will make them big or anything

  5. leadfarmer says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    Between, Johansen, Dubinsky, Anisimov don’t see were he fits.

    Hey LT do you know were to find the Vollman sledgehammer for other teams.

  6. Pajamah says:

    This is good news in the battle for 4C next season. If I’m asked, I’d like to see Gagner moved for defensive help, Arcobello given a shot on a skill line, Gordon cemented into 3C, and Lander, Yakimov, and a NCAA signing to battle for 4C.

    Right now, short of Gordon, we don’t have many UFA’s pushing our prospects down for a couple more years of seasoning, and we have very few prospects forcing management to keep them with the big club. One has to pan out eventually, right?

  7. blackdog says:

    No thanks to Bolland and while I love Grabbo I think he stays in the EC. Legwand would be a good fit imo. 40-50 point guy, bigger, knows how to actually check. That would be nice for a change.

    Its obvious Gagner is what he is and the biggest issue is the apparent inability to play in his own end. I think he’s a legit second line C but they need someone who actually knows what to do when the other team has the puck.

    Ideally they’d deal him for a top four D and pick up his replacement in free agency or via trade from a team looking to move a veteran guy as a salary dump. Add Kulemin to play with Gordon and then you only need a 3LW, another top 4 D or two and a fix for the PP and then you should be good to go.

    lol, no problem at all

  8. Lowetide says:

    blackdog:
    No thanks to Bolland and while I love Grabbo I think he stays in the EC. Legwand would be a good fit imo. 40-50 point guy, bigger, knows how to actually check. That would be nice for a change.

    Its obvious Gagner is what he is and the biggest issue is the apparent inability to play in his own end. I think he’s a legit second line C but they need someone who actually knows what to do when the other team has the puck.

    Ideally they’d deal him for a top four D and pick up his replacement in free agency or via trade from a team looking to move a veteran guy as a salary dump. Add Kulemin to play with Gordon and then you only need a 3LW, another top 4 D or two and a fix for the PP and then you should be good to go.

    lol, no problem at all

    Enjoying your series, Pat. I got a late start but am reading them in order lol. I agree about Legwand, that would represent depth up the middle we haven’t seen since 2005-06. Not as good as then, but getting there.

  9. cabbiesmacker says:

    Best part of today’s posting?

    “I don’t think you would have a difficult time finding possible trade partners for your Gagner”

    $ 4.8 MM reasons to trade this guy even if you only get $ 1.5 MM back. If he goes, and we can only cross our fingers and hope, I’d think it’d be for a much higher contract another team is tired of paying and looking to unload. Very doubtful it’d be any of the three you mention.

  10. OilLeak says:

    I would throw a bunch of money at Stasny, he’s been taking on the tough minutes and would be the ideal number 2 center. I also like the Grabovski choice too.

  11. theres oil in virginia says:

    leadfarmer: Between, Johansen, Dubinsky, Anisimov don’t see were he fits.

    Wing. I don’t think there’s much chance another team tries Gagner out at center.

  12. Ribs says:

    The Bogdan tweet reminds me of Mikhnov. Hopefully he knows how it works once he comes over here.

  13. Lowetide says:

    Ribs:
    The Bogdan tweet reminds me of Mikhnov. Hopefully he knows how it works once he comes over here.

    Exactly the same concern, too. Foot speed.

  14. RexLibris says:

    In my opinion the best way to preserve value on Gagner is to move him for a blueliner. No one is going to trade a better, bigger Gagner for, well, Gagner.

    It might be two steps to the right and one step forward in the end – Gagner for a pair of picks, those picks then moved with a modest prospect for a player, for example.

    It is going to require outside the box thinking and MacTavish is going to have to frame it properly. In other words, the other GMs can see you coming, find the one gives you the pieces you need to make the lateral move.

    Legwand is a good option, but I don’t think he bites. He’s been on struggling teams too long and may want an easier go of it in a place like Detroit or somewhere perceived to be closer to winning like Dallas.

    I’d hope that the Oilers would make the prudent move this summer by way of UFAs and avoid another season of whale-hunting players like Stastny.

    For Yakimov, I think he comes to camp, gets a few games and eventually gets sent down to OKC. The thing to watch over the course of next season will be to compare his treatment in terms of call-ups to Lander’s first year in NA.

    I think Lander is a closer comparison than Mikhnov on account of more recent scouting and, fingers crossed, better information available on the prospect at the time of selection.

  15. Andy P says:

    There’s two elephants in the room though, and MacT may have one of the most difficult challenges in the NHL, for the following reason and the next.

    1) We are one of the least popular franchises in the NHL right now. Our team sucks, judging from the leaks it seems riddled with politics, and the coach is not exactly a player magnet right now. So MacT has to make the best of the hand he was dealt, and I’d say he has done a pretty good job in the circumstances.

    2) Were any hard proof to exist that any of our players were deliberately throwing games in order to get rid of coaches, then those players should be banned from the NHL for life, and sued for every penny they earned from hockey over the period that they were engaged in such activities. So if, as suggested in an earlier blog, one of our shooters were to have deliberately not scored the goal in order to screw over the coach…..

  16. VanOil says:

    I think MacT will find poor returns for Gagner this summer and will opt to keep him.

    Gagner-Perron-Yakupov is an undersized 2nd line in the big bad West but are still probably good for 70-80 goals between them. That is a fair returns for a second line. They won’t win you a cup but they might get you to the dance, if MacT fixes the defense.

    Bogdan should join Simpson, Musil and Gadzook at a Jamie Sale skating camp this summer.

    If you trade Gagner I would hope for this class of return;
    Gagner to NYI for Brock Nelson + pick would bring a large young possession type center back.
    Gagner + Gernat to NJD for Adam Larsson + 2nd would bring an almost there Dman back.

    I really think he is staying until the 2016 deadline.

  17. coolwasabi says:

    Ugh.

    RNH is not a good 1st line center in the NHL (specifically in the Western Conference).
    Gagner is not a good 2nd line center in the NHL.
    Gordon is an ideal 3rd line center.
    Lander is potentially an NHL center, but likely not a good fit on this young Oilers team.
    Yakimov is probably not an NHL-calibre player at this point.

    I *really* like Grabo. MacT should have pursued him in the summer. He really should have pursued him after RNH’s recovery was up in the air. And he really, really should’ve pursued him after Hall was ho-hum on playing cener. I wonder if MacT did go after him and Grabo declined and smartly signed in Washington instead. It was an OBVIOUS move. Then again, there were a lot of obvious value moves that weren’t made (Tom Gilbert for instance..)

  18. sliderule says:

    Lowetide: Exactly the same concern, too. Foot speed.

    I thought he was like Draisaitl at WJC ,when he got up to speed he was moving pretty fast.
    You wouldn’t think Marincin is our second fastest skater around the rink but he is.
    I noticed when the Russians over played him he got tired he looked a little clumsy.
    Forever hopefull!

  19. jp says:

    This Yakimov stuff can’t be serious? I mean, he’s coming over, will attend camp, but I’d think he has a better chance of playing an overage season with the Edmonton Oil Kings than playing with the Oilers. And if he does play with the Oilers it will be on the 4th line, not the 2nd, right?

    My take is that “coming to Edmonton” equates with signing in Edmonton, and he’ll almost certainly spend the season in OKC. Hasn’t he been demoted to the MHL? Or is he back up in the KHL now? In any case, I don’t think Yakimov has much bearing on what happens with Gagner.

    As for Gagner, I just hope they get something legitimate for him if they do trade him. I’d still be inclined to hold him (as with Hemsky) since the return isn’t going to be very good. Guess the question is really whether he’s worth 4.8M, and whether 4.8M gets you a better player/fit for the Oilers 2nd line. You could certainly argue the $$ is worth more, especially if you get any kind of assets back for him. I dunno.

    We’re all sick of watching him be Sam Gagner, but those numbers aren’t that bad (for the season he fell off a cliff). Double his shooting percentage back to the previous couple of years and you’ve got last years offensive output (career year) in 6 more games. And his CF% is bad, but team average. We know he’s not driving the bus, and he most certainly isn’t the ideal fit for the Oilers 2C, but this is quite a decent hockey player overall. Whether he’s a 4.8M dollar one I don’t know, though I do agree MacT won’t have trouble offloading him if he chooses to.

  20. vangolf says:

    As long as RNH is our 1C, we are doomed (at least short term). More than a 1D, I think we need a 1C to allow RNH to slide down the order and develop his craft against some weaker comp. make no mistake, I love nuge, but he’s getting killed (or at least his confidence is). The Bennett’s , Draisatl’s, etc solve nothing short term. I personally would overpay for a hanzal type….they are so hot right now.

  21. Lowetide says:

    Honestly, people. Now we’re off shooting at the Nuge. Jesus Christ. He’s TWENTY! The fact that he’s SURVIVED these seasons is a credit to him.

  22. Dee Dee says:

    If you trade Gagner at this point you are either keeping salary or getting some other teams 4.8 Million dollar problem in return.

    Lighten the kids load and let him heal up. See if he regains some form.

    Oiler’s Management are so scared that players are going to go Nuculear that they always lock them up to long term contracts and tend to overpay.

    Nothing wrong with handing out some shorter term contracts and ponying up the cash if the player exceeds expectations. GM’s would love for their biggest problem to be that their team is all playing over their heads.

    The brutal part of being a fan of this team is that it is literally Groundhog Day. Every bloody year it’s exactly the same. They always go on a winning streak at the end of the season and never carry through with it the following year.

  23. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    MacTavish has a lot to do this off season.

    I might be one of the very few who thinks the Oilers have limited choices here.
    Gagner alone won’t get you much, Yak 2.0 is playing limited minutes in the KHL, plus it’s the KHL.
    I’m not sure MacTavisgh wants to revisit the potential nightmare of Grebeshkov again and expose this kid to the NHL before he’s actually ready.

    If the Oilers want to really change, then Gagner, Peron and Schultz plus the 1st have to be part of any discussion for trades in getting this ship righted.

    I see very few options available to MacTavish.
    * I should clarify that these players + pick is not all one trade*

  24. leadfarmer says:

    I like Yakimov’s confidence but the chance of him making this team next year are next to zero

  25. Ryan says:

    When you take a step back and look and the Western Conference, it’s clear that the best case scenario for the Oilers next season is to be fighting it out for one of the two wildcard spots.

    The gap between playoff and non playoff teams is huge. The Chicagos, Kings, Blues etc aren’t going away any time soon. So the question becomes what do the Oilers have to do to close that gap?

    The Wild went out and picked up Zach Parise and Ryan 30 minutes a night Suter to go from being a non-playoff team to contending for one of the last two spots.

    Colorado’s playing snakes and ladders thanks in part to insane goaltending and a roster stacked with high draft picks. The Corgis still aren’t barking for them either.

    The items the Oilers are in dire need of are in short supply–top 4d, 2c…

    Really Mact needs to find away to get 3 nhl caliber top 4 dmen–or at least a top pairing even if it means a short term overpay on aging talent.

    Without substantial improvements to the blue line, the Oilers will continue to suck no matter what else they do.

    After that, the next order of business is finding NhL calibre coaching… +/- cutting bate on Eakins.

    Third order of business is trying to get a 2c and filling the roster with actual Nhl players.

  26. vangolf says:

    Lowetide,

    If you don’t think nuge is better served as a 2C at this stage of his career, I honestly don’t know if it possible for me to be in more disagreement with you. And my point for crying out loud is that he’s TWENTY!! Let him develop in the appropriate context. Maybe they show different oiler games here in vancouver than the ones you are watching.

  27. Younger Oil says:

    Roy with 2G 2A after two periods tonight, good for him!

  28. Lowetide says:

    Horak (Ford, Hunt).

    Vangolf: Agreed.

  29. admiralmark says:

    Lowetide says:
    March 15, 2014 at 6:08 pm
    Honestly, people. Now we’re off shooting at the Nuge. Jesus Christ. He’s TWENTY! The fact that he’s SURVIVED these seasons is a credit to him.

    There’s always gotta be one or two in the crowd. Any sensible person knows when the complexion of his wingers change, the offence will come. How poor some fans memory is though? 2-3 bad games by RNH and fans are all over him. There was a week in November I believe when Oilers played Philly,Chicago,Dallas, and San Jose in succession. RNH played against their top lines including Toews and Thornton and came out of it with a +/- of even. And Scored a Goal in there as well. This is a 20 year old! On a disfunctional team. Yah we better get rid of this bum?! unreal.

  30. jp says:

    Lowetide:
    Honestly, people. Now we’re off shooting at the Nuge. Jesus Christ. He’s TWENTY! The fact that he’s SURVIVED these seasons is a credit to him.

    Agreed. He’s played top 6 competition from the get go. He’s had a positive CF%Rel every season. He has one of the 6 actual positive CF% seasons by any Oiler in the past 3 yrs (2 Hall, 1 each for RNH, Eberle, Hemsky and Paajarvi). He gives a shit about his own zone. He’s scored at a rate of 82-18-41-59. And yes, he’s 20. He’s doing well by almost any measure.

    Edit: Vangolf, he could certainly use some more help, but he’s keeping his head above water so I’m not sure this is hurting his development.

  31. Ryan says:

    vangolf:
    Lowetide,

    If you don’t think nuge is better served as a 2C at this stage of his career, I honestly don’t know if it possible for me to be in more disagreement with you.And my point for crying out loud is that he’s TWENTY!!Let him develop in the appropriate context.Maybe they show different oiler games here in vancouver than the ones you are watching.

    No one will disagree with you in principle…

    However, how / whom do you propose the Oilers acquire to be our 1c?

    1c don’t exactly grow on trees. :)

  32. Lowetide says:

    http://www.puckrant.com/slapshot/YOU_NEVER_CAN_TELL

    In which I pick the Stanley Cup winner.

  33. Lowetide says:

    39GP, 14-21-35 for Roy after 2-2-4 tonight. Game still going.

  34. The Great One says:

    leadfarmer:
    theres oil in virginia,

    Between, Johansen, Dubinsky, Anisimov don’t see were he fits.

    Hey LT do you know were to find the Vollman sledgehammer for other teams.

    You forgot Boone Jenner , who is a natural C, Mark Letestu and Derek McKenzie.

    Columbus needs Gagner like a fish needs a bicycle.

  35. vangolf says:

    Ryan,

    We are all in agreement. My point is that for all the press the need for a 1D gets, a 1C is also a need. Obviously no one is giving away a 1C, but I am more than okay with a stasny overpay….(ie, better IMHO than a Markov overpay)…heck not my money, let’s overpay for both!!!

  36. Logan91 says:

    Hemsky scored tonight, whats that now for him? 8 points in 4 games?
    Starting to think here that the players are clearly not the problem.

  37. The Great One says:

    vangolf:
    Ryan,

    We are all in agreement. My point is that for all the press the need for a 1D gets, a 1C is also a need.Obviously no one is giving away a 1C, but I am more than okay with a stasny overpay….(ie, better IMHO than a Markov overpay)…heck not my money, let’s overpay for both!!!

    The issue with Statsny is that there are going to be a LOT of suitors.

    Just off the top of my head, Toronto, Florida, Calgary would likely come calling.

  38. admiralmark says:

    vangolf says:
    March 15, 2014 at 7:15 pm
    We are all in agreement. My point is that for all the press the need for a 1D gets, a 1C is also a need. Obviously no one is giving away a 1C, but I am more than okay with a stasny overpay….(ie, better IMHO than a Markov overpay)…heck not my money, let’s overpay for both!!!

    I think a 2C would do the trick here. RNH needs a different mix on his line. A more experienced grittier shall we say Winger in addition to a better 2C then Gagner could take some of the weight off of RNH? 1 more off season without the shoulder surgery recovery will allow him to go for a little more size and strength as well. I would also say a better D will have a ripple effect that can translate to all the forwards. i guess I don’t really have a problem with him at 1C when it comes down to it. Parts around him just need to be fixed.

  39. vangolf says:

    The Great One: The issue with Statsny is that there are going to be a LOT of suitors.

    Just off the top of my head, Toronto, Florida, Calgary would likely come calling.

    How dare you confront me with reality!

  40. frjohnk says:

    I doubt the oilers will be able to sign anyone who will be an upgrade over Gagner.

    None of the oiler prospect centres will be an upgrade over Gagner next year.

    None of the top picks in the draft will be an upgrade over Gagner next year. In the future, yes, but not next year.

    So the oilers need to make a bold move and trade a significant asset or a package of assets for a number 2 center.

    Or keep Gagner and hope that he can regain the form of last year and maybe take some pointers from Gordon on the faceoff.

  41. cabbiesmacker says:

    Lowetide:
    http://www.puckrant.com/slapshot/YOU_NEVER_CAN_TELL

    In which I pick the Stanley Cup winner.

    Just to piss you off the Saskatchewan Roughriders will win the Stanley Cup. Ha

    And…you are still revoked

    Double whammy

  42. cabbiesmacker says:

    frjohnk:
    I doubt the oilers will be able to sign anyone who will be an upgrade over Gagner.

    So you have intel that Harvey the Hound is unavailable then? Damnit

    “”Or keep Gagner and hope that he can regain the form of last year and maybe take some pointers from Gordon on the faceoff””

    Excellent. Lets just stay shitty then. Really, some people just do not get it.

  43. Lowetide says:

    cabbiesmacker: Just to piss you off the Saskatchewan Roughriders will win the Stanley Cup. Ha

    And…you are still revoked

    Double whammy

    Living with a Roughrider fan is the hardest thing I’ll ever do.

  44. AZOIL says:

    The Great One: The issue with Statsny is that there are going to be a LOT of suitors.

    Just off the top of my head, Toronto, Florida, Calgary would likely come calling.

    Yes but would statsny really want to Join any of those? Maybe Toronto, but if he has a brain he would avoid Calgary and Florida. He might find it intriguing to play between Oiler wingers and the opportunity to be a 1C and be important. He is American born though, so that hurts us! Where is he from? If it is Minnesota then maybe he doesn’t mind the cold? I could see Minn paying him big bucks for sure! Craig will have a sales pitch to make!

  45. The Great One says:

    AZOIL: Yes but would statsny really want to Join any of those? Maybe Toronto, but if he has a brain he would avoid Calgary and Florida. He might find it intriguing to play between Oiler wingers and the opportunity to be a 1C and be important. He is American born though, so that hurts us! Where is he from? If it is Minnesota then maybe he doesn’t mind the cold? I could see Minn paying him big bucks for sure! Craig will have a sales pitch to make!

    Based on all the evidence, I would think Toronto and Florida would be more attractive.

    Toronto for its exposure and Florida because of its location and the fact that Florida has no state income tax which adds a ton to a contracts bottom line.

    IMO, Calgary has at least as much going for it since they are also looking for a #1C.

    BTW, Statsny was born in Quebec but his family moved with his father’s career.

    He attended the University of Denver so has deep roots in Colorado.

    The most likely scenario is he re-signs there.

  46. SaskFan says:

    Barring any injury this will be nugent-Hopkins first full healthy offseason, add to the fact that this about the age in which he will gain that man strength; I’m not worried about him

  47. The Great One says:

    The Islanders beat Buffalo 4-1.

  48. David says:

    Greg Chase 2 goals and an assist

  49. cabbiesmacker says:

    Lowetide: Living with a Roughrider fan is the hardest thing I’ll ever do.

    Now now. Just fess up and admit it was one of the reasons you married her.

    Passes Lowetide a watermelon helmet

    An Eskimo and Oiler fan. Ahem….poor bastidge

  50. The Great One says:

    Barons lose again.

    Playoffs slipping away.

  51. Lowetide says:

    The Great One:
    Barons lose again.

    Playoffs slipping away.

    Good! Let’s get Pitlick up here.

  52. admiralmark says:

    The Great One says:
    March 15, 2014 at 8:39 pm
    Barons lose again.

    Playoffs slipping away.

    Losing Klefbom+Lander took a piece out of OKC’s momentum.

  53. frjohnk says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    I didn’t say “we should be happy to keep Gagner” but those are the options this team has for next year. It ain’t pretty. We need a bold(s) move(s) to advance this rebuild.

    I should also add that there are free agent centres that are definitely better than Gagner but unless we severely overpay them in money and/or term, I doubt we get any of them.

  54. The Great One says:

    admiralmark:
    The Great One says:
    March 15, 2014 at 8:39 pm
    Barons lose again.

    Playoffs slipping away.

    Losing Klefbom+Lander took a piece out of OKC’s momentum.

    Makes you wonder how Grand Rapids keeps winning. (8-1-0-1 in their last 10) with half their roster called up to the Wings.

    Great depth in that organization.

  55. TheOtherJohn says:

    Yeah if I was a UFA like Paul Stasny I’d sign with the worst organization in the NHL.

    Sarcasm alert!

    I would sign in 4-6 places before I signed here. We will offer to overpay. Big time, that is a given. It’s just they have very few incentives other than $$. It is really hard to be incredibly bad. We have the really really bad hockey team schick down pat

    So 2 top 2 D (20m TOI) , a 2C, size in our top 6 and real NhL players in the bottom 6 and we can start to compete for the the playoffs = complete organizational shit show

  56. frjohnk says:

    I should also add that there are centres that are definitely better than Gagner, but the oilers severely overpay in money/term, I doubt the oilers get any of these guys.

  57. jp says:

    The Great One:

    BTW, Statsny was born in Quebec but his family moved with his father’s career.

    He attended the University of Denver so has deep roots in Colorado.

    The most likely scenario is he re-signs there.

    According to Wiki the family settled in St. Louis after his father’s playing career, so roots there too.

  58. maudite says:

    You keep Gagner at this point. A deal where you eat salary, trade for whatever is of no value to the team really. Must stop buying high and selling low.

    If you want to honestly trade the dynamics of the team, best to go to market with things that possibly are perceived as equal or greater value than they are worth:

    Eberle
    J Shultz

    Could you use these two alone or in a package to pick up a top D and a 2C? I think so. Are both of these assets still viewed as reasonably valuable and easy to find a solid hockey deal for (skill for a bit more 200ft game and size)? I would say so.

    Hall RNH Yak/Gag
    Perron XXX Yak/Gag
    XXX Gordon XXX
    Hendricks Lander XXX

    XXX Petry
    Marincin XXX
    Ference Klef

    You slide Ganger to a wing and leave him there. Maybe play him center on 2nd PP. Hope you pump his tires, script the narrative that Gagner is back and killing it….then trade him. Selling now is senseless.

  59. G Money says:

    The rebuild will end when LT starts being able to end his blog posts with Lordy. meaning “Man, that is so good it’s unreal” as opposed to Lordy. meaning “Holy crap, that’s a frightening thought.”

  60. jp says:

    frjohnk:
    cabbiesmacker,

    I didn’t say “we should be happy to keep Gagner” but those are the options this team has for next year. It ain’t pretty. We need a bold(s) move(s) to advance this rebuild.

    I should also add that there are free agent centres that are definitely better than Gagner but unless we severely overpay them in money and/or term, I doubt we get any of them.

    And they’re all older than 24. And going to cost more than 4.8M. If there was an easy fix to this if would likely already have been done.

  61. jp says:

    maudite:

    If you want to honestly trade the dynamics of the team, best to go to market with things that possibly are perceived as equal or greater value than they are worth:

    Eberle
    J Shultz

    Could you use these two alone or in a package to pick up a top D and a 2C?I think so.Are both of these assets still viewed as reasonably valuable and easy to find a solid hockey deal for (skill for a bit more 200ft game and size)?I would say so.

    Hall RNH Yak/Gag
    Perron XXX Yak/Gag
    XXX Gordon XXX
    Hendricks Lander XXX

    XXX Petry
    Marincin XXX
    Ference Klef

    So who did we get for Eberle and Schultz?!?!!?

    Seriously though, I’d be in no rush to trade those two, but I definitely agree with your sentiment. Don’t throw assets away.

  62. G Money says:

    As long as we finish in the bottom 4 this year, we will draft either our (projected) top pairing defenseman or our (projected) 2C.

    Which we get will determine the game plan that MacT needs to follow.

    Regardless of what happens, at least one and ideally a couple of [big] NHL level defensemen not at the end of their careers should be at the top of his list. Every line will look a hell of a lot better defensively and offensively if the team can bloody well stop spending two solid minutes at a time pinned in their own zone.

    Capable NHLers to fill in the bottom two lines would be helpful as well.

    The rest of the gameplan I think will be subject to the draft results.

    If we get Ekblad, I’m guessing Gagner gets another year at 2C to showcase a little better, given he’ll hopefully get a non-broken-jaw start to the year and his wingers (ex. Perron) will be a year older and stronger. Having those NHL defensemen in the fold will help a lot too.

    If we get Bennett/Reinhart/Draisaitl, I’m guessing there’s a good chance Gagner goes for whatever we can get in exchange for the cap space (and Lander and Arco maybe get a shot at the open C spots).

  63. TheOtherJohn says:

    “@coreypronman: Oilers is no longer just a hockey team. It’s a virus.”

    Yup, ……. your Edmonton Oilers

  64. G Money says:

    Top of the board for MacT’s shopping list UFA defensemen. Overpay a given.

    Orpik (old so risky, won’t want to leave Pit I’m sure)
    Hainsey
    Gilbert (sigh)
    Niskanen
    Quincey
    Diaz
    Fayne
    Nikitin

  65. tcho says:

    LT – Love your site, and most of the discussions. Is there a way for a reader to hide posts from certain posters in the thread? Any rumours of such a feature being available on blogs? I would be truly appreciative if such a feature could be added to my reading experience. Thanks for all the great work you do.

  66. sliderule says:

    Chase with 2-2 and plus 5.
    85 pts in his plus1 season after draft.
    I am sure the negative ones can list a bunch that do that and not make it but there are quite a few first rounders who have had decent careers who scored less in plus one season..
    Big positive arrow for him.

  67. soup says:

    A question to the more learned. Given that Gagner has his flaws, and recognizing that good, offensive centers are damned near impossible to get, is it better to keep young Sam and surround him with more appropriate wingers (one with some size, one with some defensive chops for example)?

  68. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I think I was talking about it here recently… is anyone else under the impression that Canadian media is laying on the Monahan love a little thick?

    I’d like to hear more about Barkov to be honest. I know… out of market… but c’mon. we’re hockey fans.

  69. sliderule says:

    G Money,

    It pissed me off when the didn’t go after Hainsey.

    There were a number of teams that must have avoided him for his PA work.

    Stupid

  70. sliderule says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Barkov’s season ending injury in Olympics took him out of sight and rookie mix.

  71. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bob Stauffer ‏@Bob_Stauffer 3m
    The P.A. Raiders Leon Draisaitl picks up 2 points in 6-4 over Saskatoon. The 6’1 1/2, 209 lb C finishes with 19-26-45, +9 in final 21 GP

  72. dangilitis says:

    The Great One:
    The Islanders beat Buffalo 4-1.

    And NY beat Milwaukee 115-94
    And in preseason action Oakland beat San Francisco 8-1.

    Are you trying to be the tsn ticker?

    Oh… Now I get what you are trying to do, every time you post a score on this blog…

    But then, how come you you neglect to mention all the scores when okc or edm win, or when another bad nhl team loses? Because both scenarios have actually happened, yet for some reason you never report it? Oh that’s right, bias.

    At least try and get some new material, amateur :)

  73. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Moroz with a goal
    Betker with a goal
    Houck with 2 goals

  74. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    sliderule:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Barkov’s season ending injury in Olympics took him out of sight and rookie mix.

    I just mean in general. I didn’t hear about him all year. then look at his boxcars, usage chart, etc. all looks great.

  75. Gerta Rauss says:

    dangilitis:
    Are you trying to be the tsn ticker?

    I thought posting the Islanders/Buf score was fair game-we’re all following the tank battle for our draft pick and this game had direct ramifications on our pick.

    Calgary scored 2 in the 2nd,and are tied at 2, after 2.

    #lotsof2sthere

  76. dangilitis says:

    Ya I would believe that if it didn’t seem like every time he posted a score he was doing it out of sick pleasure. Only reporting scores that would make oilers fans upset further that theory

  77. maudite says:

    jp,

    I have no idea. But if I can’t find anything I like I just keep them. These are just the two pieces on the top end that I think you A) could get value for B) ultimately are the most expendable in a hockey deal to shuffle the deck in a meaningful way. With those assets I think you could pull down either a top flight defenseman or a high quality C.

  78. Gerta Rauss says:

    dangilitis,

    Every one of his posts on every forum I’ve seen him on takes a shot at the Oilers. I’ve come to appreciate him for what he is. If you let him bother you he’s won.

  79. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    BTW I’m guessing “spend next year in Edmonton” doesn’t necessarily mean to the Oilers.

    “Edmonton” here is probably functioning as a synecdoche, like when you say a politician newly elected is “going to Washington”

    It may well just mean he’s coming over to join EDM’s NA system of hockey, likely to the Barons.

  80. sliderule says:

    Draisatl and Reinhart finish with 105 and 104 pts respectively.

    The last draft eligible player from the dub to go in first round and get over 100 pts was the Nuge.

  81. frjohnk says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Bob Stauffer ‏@Bob_Stauffer3m
    The P.A. Raiders Leon Draisaitl picks up 2points in 6-4 over Saskatoon. The 6’1 1/2, 209 lb C finishes with 19-26-45, +9 in final 21 GP

    That’s an extremely strong finish. The last time I saw him play was after the WJC when he was trending down. Maybe he was injured or something. I wished I had saw him recently, my viewpoint would undoubtly be of higher praise of him.

  82. Numenius says:

    admiralmark:
    The Great One says:
    March 15, 2014 at 8:39 pm
    Barons lose again.

    Playoffs slipping away.

    Losing Klefbom+Lander took a piece out of OKC’s momentum.

    They’re only three points back with 13 games to play so there’s still a good chance for the playoffs.

    Losing by one goal both games to the best team in the league isn’t too much to worry about either.

  83. Halfwise says:

    dangilitis,

    The Grating One is but a minor fiend here in our hell, who likes being noticed.

  84. commonfan14 says:

    sliderule: Draisatl and Reinhart finish with 105 and 104 pts respectively.

    And barely 17 year-old McDavid finishes with a higher PPG than both of them.

    He’s fast becoming one of my favourite Oilers of all time.

  85. OilTastic says:

    they are going to change so much of the Oilers AGAIN this off season that the players and likely 2 new assistant coaches will be learning things all over again. and unless the Oil can magically find the good, EFFECTIVE vets this team needs, adding Draisaitl, Yakimov, Klefbom and Nurse to the Oilers full time next year will only keep this team in lottery contention for a while yet.

  86. book¡je says:

    Hemsky got a point tonight and Brown is injured – could be a close bet.

  87. Bank Shot says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Yup. The Oilers kids all got the same treatment except Yakupov of course. Gagner was adored by the media in his rookie season.

    1.Canadian
    2.Teenaged
    3.Boring Interview

    Fit the following criteria and you are a Canadian media darling.

  88. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bank Shot:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Yup. The Oilers kids all got the same treatment except Yakupov of course. Gagner was adored by the media in his rookie season.

    1.Canadian
    2.Teenaged
    3.Boring Interview

    Fit the following criteria and you are a Canadian media darling.

    You don’t know how true this is. Monahan is adored right now in the press and a non-trivial part of the attention he’s getting is due to a twitter acct. call “Boring Sean Monahan”

    It’s some kind of simulacra.

  89. gcw_rocks says:

    Off you need more evidence that Lowe and MacT should be fired, this is probably it. Not because any of us think Yakimov will make the team, but because we well read this post and thought, while slightly panicked, “I can’t completely dismiss that Oiler management would try this.”

    If this was Detroit, Los Angeles, Chicago, or Boston this would have us all laughing out asses off.

  90. gcw_rocks says:

    commonfan14,
    And barely 17 year-old McDavid finishes with a higher PPG than both of them.
    He’s fast becoming one of my favourite Oilers of all time.

    Too funny!

  91. Glock9 says:

    Lowetide:
    Honestly, people. Now we’re off shooting at the Nuge. Jesus Christ. He’s TWENTY! The fact that he’s SURVIVED these seasons is a credit to him.

    No kidding LT. Were dealing with kids here who someday will be very complete Pro hockey players – but that will take time.

  92. russ99 says:

    The sooner we stop trying out kids and face punchers on the bottom six, the sooner we’re in the playoffs.

    Want to rebuild for two more years, sure – bring all those guys in instead of actual NHL players.

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