THE WORLD NEEDS MORE SMART PEOPLE

For about 40 years now (time flies, ladies and men) I’ve been reading scouting reports. You know what? They’re about to get WAY better for one simple reason: the questions are better and the answers assume the general audience has a working knowledge of the game. Great, great moment in hockey right there.

  • Steve Shutt scouting report, 1972: Steve Shutt plays his position (LW) exceptionally well and should be an easy pupil for an NHL coach. He patrols his wing religiously and is always well positioned in the attacking zone. Defensively, he is rated well above average for a junior.  His shot is his major asset: quick, heavy and accurate. He is equally dangerous with a wrist or slap shot. Good skater and more than willing to dig in the corners. Shot is sufficiently impressive, along with heady play, that he could become point man on an NHL powerplay as a freshman with the right club. Last year, his 70 goals were only one shy of the OHA record (set by Richard Martin). -George Hanson, Montreal Star.

That’s a very good scouting report, and doesn’t really look out of place with many of the current sources that supply information. I can tell you it’s very accurate—Shutt’s offensive ability overshadowed his two-way play in the NHL but he was a responsible winger entrusted (along with center Lemaire) with playing with the brilliant savant Lafleur. Guy Lafleur never met a part of the ice he didn’t like, and Shutt spent his career in ‘ad-lib’ mode, helping cover for the brilliant flower. That’s all inside the Hanson report.

Recently, Ryan Dittrick delivered a wonderful and insightful article on Darnell Nurse. It included a quote from Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds GM Kyle Dubas that should become the gold standard for amateur scouting services.

  • Dubas: “People get obsessed with Darnell’s plus/minus (plus-1, down from plus-15 the year prior), but his underlying numbers are excellent. Relative to the competition he plays [against], he does extremely well. Far greater than 50 percent of the time, the puck is not in our end. To me, it doesn’t get much bigger than that. If we’re taking the other team’s best players and forcing them to play in their end and away from the puck, that’s a successful day. The quality of competition he’s faced is higher than anyone else in our league, especially among defencemen.”

My goodness that’s a scouting report!!! If you’re an Edmonton Oiler fan this should be the best thing you’ve read in weeks. Dubas is telling us the Oilers have a player who (at 18) is playing the tough opponents and tilting the ice at “far greater than 50%”—this is brilliant! Well done SSM, well done Dubas, well done Dittrick. I hope to live to see the day when all scouting reports are this insightful and give the reader a true indication of progress and ability.

scrivens11 The Oilers managed a poor 48% Corsi for 5×5 (Extra Skater) last night against the worst team in the NHL. Although the team does have significant injuries and hit a few posts, a 3-1 loss to Buffalo gives the team all the inspiration they should need against Calgary Saturday night. Michael Parkatti had the Corsi at 47.4 (Michael does ev strength Corsi) and it was not a strong effort. Still, the Oilers have won games just like last night through the 10-5-3 stretch they’re in due to impossible goaltending (as above in photo).

Before the Oilers are ready to turn true north, they need to fix the territorial situation. They are simply defending too much of the game, and breakdowns occur when the defense is stressed. This isn’t news to anyone, we’ve talked about it at length on this blog and elsewhere. I’m encouraged by games like last night, because it serves to remind Craig MacTavish there is much work to do, front and back.

TYLER MYERS?

mc79 myersI’ve talked with Paul Almeida on this subject during Saturday Sports Extra over the last few weeks. Paul didn’t suggest the Oilers pick per se, but is of the belief that Myers is a guy who can help immediately. For me, Myers is a guy having a better season but doesn’t have an established level of ability that covers his salary and it’s a very risky bet. I’d rather go the route Dennis King suggested on the Lowdown yesterday (Yakupov to NYI/Buff for the pick that becomes Aaron Ekblad).

That’s a better move for me. Then you find a vet defender, send Ekblad and Nurse back to junior and know there’s a couple of big trains coming. It’s a marathon not a sprint. Should have kept Hemsky.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

kellyIt’s Friday on the Lowdown and a busy morning ahead. At 10, we hit the airwaves with a full list of guests:

  • Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports. The Leafs are struggling after looking like a lock for the postseason.
  • Kent Simpson, Oil Kings color analyst. The long regular season is over and the playoffs begin tomorrow. We’ll have one last look at the season, and discuss Mr. Draisaitl and the Raiders.
  • Dustin Nielson, TSN 1260′s Nielson and Fraser. Dusty is in Saskatoon for the University Cup, the Golden Bears are off to a strong start (in contrast to last season). We’ll talk about their chances.
  • Mitchell Moroz, Edmonton Oil Kings. 35 goals this season and an NHL contract too, Moroz and the OK are focused on the playoffs and another long run.
  • Michael Parkatti, Boys on the Bus. We’ll break down last night’s game and discuss the draft.
  • Jungle Jim Hunter, Sportcology. We’ll look back on the Olympics and see if they met expectations.

10-1260 via text, @Lowetide_ on twitter. See you on the radio!!

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103 Responses to "THE WORLD NEEDS MORE SMART PEOPLE"

  1. leadfarmer says:

    Of course Buffalo would trade Myers for a lottery pick. I wouldn’t and I actually like him.

  2. leadfarmer says:

    I am so happy to see Hemsky doing well, just like all of us Hemsky fans thought. Put him on a decent team and watch him work his magic. Too bad we couldn’t put him on a decent team here.

  3. russ99 says:

    Interesting. How much would Buffalo have to add to make that feasable? A second rounder?

  4. Hammers says:

    LT Hemsky isn’t coming back and will get a decent contract in the East . I think they are seeing his “sick moves” . You may as well forget him ,he was a great Oiler who has moved on . If Buffalo is willing to part with Myers for our #1 maybe it doesn’t have to be Myers but Erhoff and as much as I would like that pick it may be the best way to go and just perhaps if there desperate enough it could be the pick + for a “D” plus Mathesons wanted player Strathford ( not sure of spelling ) .He still looked good last night . McT should at least be exploring a deal with Buffalo .

  5. PhrankLee says:

    At the Detroit game the Oilers were so long shifted that I thought the coach was not watching the game! At one point Yak seemed to be coasting around for a 90 second shift! Eberle was a ghost on every play that required him to jam a guy up. The team played almost the entire game with one hand on their sticks fishing and curling by the player with possession. Joe Louis Arena was a very fun day trip for us from Toronto. Last night we see reckless Taylor Hall and defensively oblivious Sam Gagner played for almost fully HALF of the first. Question: On what planet does this constitute coaching? It seems irresponsible. Aren’t we looking for balance? Ryan Smyth was a true superhero in both games. Hemsky scores and the Eastern Conference is gagging on fruit loops. We had him all his life and let him go because we felt sorry for him. I still do. One of the most responsible forwards to ever wear the c and b.

  6. Bad Seed says:

    I wonder if Ekblad is in the OIlers sights with how well Nurse is doing? Maybe they make a center a higher priority?

  7. Lowetide says:

    Hammers:
    LT Hemsky isn’t coming back and will get a decent contract in the East . I think they are seeing his “sick moves” . You may as well forget him ,he was a great Oiler who has moved on . If Buffalo is willing to part with Myers for our #1 maybe it doesn’t have to be Myers but Erhoff and as much as I would like that pick it may be the best way to go and just perhaps if there desperate enough it could be the pick + for a “D” plus Mathesons wanted player Strathford ( not sure of spelling ) .He still looked good last night . McT should at least be exploring a deal with Buffalo .

    Hammers, may I ask what compels you to say “you may as well forget him” in the comments section of a post that had no mention of 83?

  8. sliderule says:

    The next 11 games against mostly western teams should tell us a lot.

    Are Marincin and Klefbom the able to play in the top four.

    Is Pitlick a body that just looks like a hockey player.?

    Can Lander contribute ?

    The CHL playoffs will give the oiler scouts a better idea on the three centres that may be available.

    It will then come down to whether the oilers feel centre is a bigger weakness than defence.

    I would say from last nights game a centre is the priority .

  9. Bad Seed says:

    Lowetide,

    Not only that but why is Ehrhoff being mentioned all the time as a solution to our defensive woes? He has a NTC! That means no Ehrhoff for us!

  10. danny says:

    Lowetide: Hammers, may I ask what compels you to say “you may as well forget him” in the comments section of a post that had no mention of 83?

    “Should have kept Hemsky” was at the end of your post.

    Hemmer never really said he was ready to move on until this past trade deadline. There’s definitely been a shift in his outlook this season. I’d imagine a diminished role is part of the picture, but I’d wager the commitment to Eakins is probably a factor.

    It’s nice to see 83 doing big things in Ottawa. His celebration after that sick goal was much more exuberant than we have seen from him in a while. I’d love to see him stick in the east and light up the eastern media who have been critical, or at best indifferent on him his entire career.

  11. thejonrmcleod says:

    I think the Oilers need to be very careful. Hemsky is already gone. Gagner’s departure seems a foregone conclusion. I think the exodus of talented forwards needs to stop there. The Oilers are in danger of becoming imbalanced in the opposite way.

  12. 719 says:

    sliderule:
    The next 11 games against mostly western teams should tell us a lot.

    Are Marincin and Klefbom theable to play in the top four.

    Is Pitlick a body that just looks like a hockey player.?

    Can Lander contribute ?

    The CHL playoffs will give the oiler scouts a better ideaon the three centres thatmay be available.

    It will then come down to whether the oilers feel centre is a bigger weakness than defence.

    I would say from last nights game a centre is the priority .

    Great post, agree with all of it.

  13. Ducey says:

    Myers would not be worth the first pick.

    The bubbles tell us the Mark Pysyk is almost as good. He likely wouldn’t cost as much to obtain.

    http://www.extraskater.com/team/buffalo-sabres/2013

    Also, for those that want to trade Eberle and Yak, take another look at last nights game. Playing Hall 25 minutes a night isn’t going to work.

  14. russ99 says:

    I can’t believe this talk about putting AHL players and our current subpar bottom six vets on the 3rd line and 2nd D pairing roles next season. We won’t make the playoffs that way, no matter what our other moves are.

    The 4-5 teams we need to beat out for a playoff spot have this:

    Sharks
    3F: Wingels – Sheppard – Torres/Havlat
    2D: Hannan – Boyle

    Ducks
    3F: Winnik – Koivu – Cogliano
    2D: Fowler – Sbisa

    Kings
    3F: King – Stoll – Toffoli
    2D: Voynov – Regehr

    Coyotes
    3F: McMillan/Halpern – Ribiero – Doan
    2D: Yandle – Morris

    Wild
    3F: Heatley – Coyle – Neiderreiter
    2D: Scandella – Brodin

    Do we really have anyone at this point that comes close, other than Gordon or maybe Hendricks?

    This should be the Oilers’ focus in free agency, not a giant top six winger, a defensive second line center or first pairing defensemen that nobody wants to part with.

  15. su_dhillon says:

    thejonrmcleod: I think the Oilers need to be very careful. Hemsky is already gone. Gagner’s departure seems a foregone conclusion. I think the exodus of talented forwards needs to stop there. The Oilers are in danger of becoming imbalanced in the opposite way.

    Jon I think thats a real concern, I think we all remember that classic KLowe comment about “woah look at all the puck moving Dmen we have” and then like 2 years later we had basically none. Ales is gone, I agree Gagner will get moved so then if you are moving Yak you are very thin on the right side. Though trading hiom when his value is in the dumps would be Sooo Oilerzzzz

  16. su_dhillon says:

    Oiler losses even to terrible teams don’t bother me much anymore, I hope that changes soon. The loss probably does help them stay in bottom 4 which is I think where they need to be to either pick the guy they want or to be able to trade the pick.

    Yesterday was a great day, Syracuse won and looked the best they have in weeks, my bracket is mostly alive and I watched this clip of Ales delivering magic like 30 times last night . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J08tytwdhDs

    Love that guy, hope he makes a bundle and goes to a team that can win in summer.

  17. Marcus Oilerius says:

    What if the Sabres pick Ekblad, hoping to force the Oilers into a deal?

    Man, last night was a painful loss.

  18. Lowetide says:

    danny: “Should have kept Hemsky” was at the end of your post.

    Hemmer never really said he was ready to move on until this past trade deadline. There’s definitely been a shift in his outlook this season. I’d imagine a diminished role is part of the picture, but I’d wager the commitment to Eakins is probably a factor.

    It’s nice to see 83 doing big things in Ottawa. His celebration after that sick goal was much more exuberant than we have seen from him in a while. I’d love to see him stick in the east and light up the eastern media who have been critical, or at best indifferent on him his entire career.

    Ah. Thanks. I definitely agree with Hammers, wish Ales the best and will follow his career progress but it’s time to move on in terms of making him an Oiler again. UNLESSS……………………………

  19. Jordan says:

    Ducey:
    Also,for those that want to trade Eberle and Yak, take another look at last nights game.Playing Hall 25 minutes a night isn’t going to work.

    There is a significant dearth of players who can play 25 minutes/night at an elite level for prolonged periods of time. Unless their name rhymes with Pridstrom or Longer.

  20. Radman says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    I think the Oilers need to be very careful. Hemsky is already gone. Gagner’s departure seems a foregone conclusion. I think the exodus of talented forwards needs to stop there. The Oilers are in danger of becoming imbalanced in the opposite way.

    Agree. It is clear they don’t have the right mix at the moment, and change is needed. But lets be careful when considering moving players like Gagner, Yak, Eberle, Shultz etc. Acquiring talent has been a long and painful process. Selling low or giving up on a guy early is seldom the right move, and seems like what perennial losers do.

    Change the mix, sure, but lets not trade one problem for another.

    I wouldn’t trade a lottery pick for Myers and that contract.

  21. Lowetide says:

    Radman: Agree. It is clear they don’t have the right mix at the moment, and change is needed. But lets be careful when considering moving players like Gagner, Yak, Eberle, Shultz etc. Acquiring talent has been a long and painful process. Selling low or giving up on a guy early is seldom the right move, and seems like what perennial losers do.

    Change the mix, sure, but lets not trade one problem for another.

    I wouldn’t trade a lottery pick for Myers and that contract.

    The other side of that is MacT is going to put his stamp on the team, and that’s with improvement up the middle. For me, Ekblad is the one player who might kplay in the NHL next season, and after that it’s the ‘perfect fit’ center. That’s why I think they may select Draisiatl

  22. Radman says:

    Lowetide,

    Yup. MacT will continue to re-work the roster. Right or wrong I suspect he has his formula.

    Interesting thought, Yak to Sabres for the NYI pick. Do you suppose Buffalo would do that deal ? Yak might not turn into an elite talent, but he is a high end offensive player. Still a bit of a wildcard at this point. Some risk on both sides of that potential deal.

  23. su_dhillon says:

    Lowetide: The other side of that is MacT is going to put his stamp on the team, and that’s with improvement up the middle. For me, Ekblad is the one player who might kplay in the NHL next season, and after that it’s the ‘perfect fit’ center. That’s why I think they may select Draisiatl

    LT lots of Draisiatl talk lately, Bruce had a great report on him and clearly the player type Mactavish is looking for. Of the forwards in top 5 is he seems to be the one most likely to play right away because of his older age and size, if Oilers get him in draft any chance they send him back?

  24. Andy P says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    I think the Oilers need to be very careful. Hemsky is already gone. Gagner’s departure seems a foregone conclusion. I think the exodus of talented forwards needs to stop there. The Oilers are in danger of becoming imbalanced in the opposite way.

    I think you’re correct, but I also think that we need to recognize that sometimes MAcT simply has his hands tied and makes the best of a bad situation.

    Ordinarily I don’t think MacT makes a trade that doesn’t improve the team. In Hemsky’s case I don’t think he had the choice. Hemsky finally came to the conclusion that he had enough, and had let MacT know that he had no intention of returning to the Oilers once this contract ran out.

    I’m wondering if the turning point was not the drafting Yak. Had we drafted the Scouts choice – Murray? then Hemmers would have remained as 2nd Wing for the duration, and a good one.

    I think that would also be the only reason that MacT would let Yak go for cents on the $ – if he felt that Yak was going to bolt to the KHL next year and make therefore gain maximum value for this asset before he loses that one too.

    I know that many of us would love to see Hemmers back as a Free Agent next year, and MacT may even have told him that, but I doubt Hemmers would accept any offer we made him, over any offer from any competitive team in the league where he could work his magic on a 1st or 2nd line for a few more years, even for a few less dollars.

    So I think the strategic mistake that cost us Hemmers, and cost this team plenty, was drafting Yak over Murray, and that is something that we can put at the feet of our esteemed owner.

  25. John Chambers says:

    Lowetide,

    What about Eric Staal who was speculated to be available on the tsn broadcast last night?

    The cost would have to something like Gagner , the pick, and probably Klembof but you need a big C to compete in the West. I would have a similar appetite for Staal that I might for Weber inasmuch as it’s the type of transformational trade worth paying several quality assets, at least far more than I think we need Tyler Myers.

  26. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Lowetide,

    Why Draisatl rather than Bennett?

    Draisatl is bigger and plays in the WHL, but Bennett is the one with the physical edge. Stylistically, we seem to be talking Spezza vs … well, I have to go back to Lecavalier to find someone with those kinds of penalty minutes and G:A ratio, as a comparable for Bennett.

  27. Jordan says:

    I think it’s really interesting… The players the Oilers need right now are the Oil Kings’ first line – Sammuelson, Lazar – Moroz.

    I don’t know if they’re ready or not, but how much better would the teams’ size/skill balance up front look with

    Hall-RNH-Perron
    Sammuelson – Lazar – Moroz
    Henricks-Gordon – Winnik
    Smyth-Lander-Pitlick

    I’m sure there’s a lot of issue with lack of experience on that second line if they all came in at the same time, but… if you can’t get what you want from actual NHL Players… you need to see if the young players can grow into those roles, no?

    If you could trade Eberle, Yakupov & Gagner for some combination of Hank, Curt & other assets… would that be a trade worth making?

  28. VOR says:

    One of the most famous scouting reports in history consists of the following few words:

    “Good player. Needs to get stronger.”

    That was written by a 34 year old freshly minted Director of Amateur Scouting. He is at the 1990 World Junior Championships. He is writing about a 19 year old player his organization had already drafted. There is certainly no sense of excitement and Lord knows there should have been because the player in question is Nicklas Lidstrom.

    Maybe the Director of Scouting was just a lemon. Nope, guy by the name of Ken Holland. Holland, about as smart a man as there is in hockey, sat there and looked at a young Nick Lidstrom who was playing well on an international stage for the first time and the best he could think of was “Good player. Needs to get stronger.” No mention of this kid could be the one. No idea that 21 months later Nick Lidstrom would be a 1D in the NHL.

    Players are hard to project, even for the best and brightest hockey minds. This is particularly true if the player is or will be greater than the sum of his parts.

  29. Bling says:

    My concern with Yakupov is the following:

    (Caveat: I haven’t dug into this myself in a quantitative manner; this is all speculation).

    By eye, most elite offensive players are extremely good at gaining the zone. Can we agree with that? There’s emerging data right now that suggests carrying the puck into the zone successfully = more possession = more scoring chances.

    Hall is tremendous in this area, and by eye RNH is quite good as well. Hemsky (even as a youngster) was just phenomenal at it. I suspect that if you made a list of the NHL’s most effective players, the vast majority would be elite at gaining the zone.

    Now…how does Yakupov fit in there? And this is a player I love, btw, so I’m not trying to be a dick. But watching the games, he does seem to have a lot of failed zone entries, or zone entries that don’t amount to much.

    I don’t think it’s just a youth thing — again, Hemsky was great at this before he was putting up the big numbers. Patty Kane, as a rookie, was a beast in this area as well (again, just by eye).

    Does this influence how you value the player?

    I think a guy like him could potentially be very productive, but perhaps he’ll need one (or maybe two) dominant possession players to get him the puck. If that’s the case, however, he isn’t really a game-breaker IMO.

    And if you don’t think he’ll be a game breaker…why not trade him for someone who either is or could be? Because another season like this one and his value is gone, gone, gone.

    Just a thought.

  30. russ99 says:

    Bling: Does this influence how you value the player?

    Consider how we entered the zone when those players were in their formative early years.

    I don’t think anyone can refute that Yakupov has been turned upside down as to how he should play this year and it could have caused long-term issues.

    That we’re tying our short-term future to and crafting our roster around Eakins should be a lot more worrisome than if a player can or can’t reach his potential at age 20 and after 111 NHL games.

  31. Lowetide says:

    su_dhillon: LT lots of Draisiatl talk lately, Bruce had a great report on him and clearly the player type Mactavish is looking for.Of the forwards in top 5 is he seems to be the one mostlikely to play right away because of his older age and size, ifOilersget him in draft any chance they send him back?

    Yes. Absolutely.

  32. thejonrmcleod says:

    Jordan,

    I think that would be a terrible trade. In no way does it make sense. First of all, they would all be rookies. Second, Moroz is destined to be no better than a third-liner. Third, do I need to keep on going?

  33. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    su_dhillon: LT lots of Draisiatl talk lately, Bruce had a great report on him and clearly the player type Mactavish is looking for.Of the forwards in top 5 is he seems to be the one mostlikely to play right away because of his older age and size, ifOilersget him in draft any chance they send him back?

    I doubt it. But, I’ll be hoping like hell they give him another year of Junior.

    No need to rush him.

  34. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    BTW LT, congrats on getting players (you know, “talent”) on the show lately.

  35. Marcus Oilerius says:

    russ99,

    Eakins… man… I can’t settle on a feeling about the guy.

    Sometimes, like last night, I want him fired, but it’s not like I can pinpoint anything he says or does where I can definitively state “this is a bad coach”.

    Plus, this season has taught me – humbled is the word, really – into having respect for MacTavish. Yeah, the season’s been a disaster but he’s made the right move after the right move, or at least reasonable bets. Even David Clarkson – sure, huge overpay, but it’s free agency… and he wasn’t the only one bidding for him. Plus, I get the feeling that Clarkson in out top 6 would probably have results a bit better than he’s having in Toronto. There’s more need for a Clarkson here than there is with the Leafs.

    Then you look at the results. Forgetting this one game against Buffalo, painful as it was – because sometimes you’re going to lose no matter what. No, looking at the results over the season and the drama regarding the defensive system 20 games in, you look at the entire season from every angle – standings, stats, advanced stats… is this team really that bad? Kreuger got better results from an arguably worse group of players, but he only got 48 games and the Oil were crashing hard towards the end.

  36. Bling says:

    russ99: Consider how we entered the zone when those players were in their formative early years.

    I don’t think anyone can refute that Yakupov has been turned upside down as to how he should play this year and it could have caused long-term issues.

    That we’re tying our short-term future to and crafting our roster around Eakins should be a lot more worrisome than if a player can or can’t reach his potential at age 20 and after 111 NHL games.

    Hall was really good at entering the zone almost from the get-go. I mean, he would fall down a lot after that, but he still did it.

    I think Yak-city is different.

    But I agree — I think Yakupov was actually playing great the first few games of the season (good Corsis too, IIRC), and Eakins was benching him for d-zone mistakes. Had a bad effect on him.

  37. RexLibris says:

    The Yakupov to Buffalo for the Islanders’ pick is one that I’d been mulling over yesterday.

    Pros for Buffalo – adds an NHL ready player with a significant upside, one year remaining on ELC, and a known commodity, cuts down on development time needed for rebuild.

    Pros for Edmonton – allows for organizational reset and perhaps a move towards a more balanced prospect group.

    Cons for Buffalo – adds a winger who is one year from second contract, may arrive with some “straightening out” needed by way of coaching or expectations.

    Cons for Edmonton – moves out a former 1st overall, adds risk in taking on a prospect over an NHL player, adds more time to the development curve of the players in the rebuild.

    If Edmonton were to select 3rd and 4th based on keeping their own pick and adding the Islanders, it could allow them to take Ekblad and a Center in a single draft. So long as we aren’t looking at a Bonsignore/Smyth scenario again, it might just work. Question is, does it help Buffalo?

  38. RexLibris says:

    Oh, and in light of the Buffalo loss – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

  39. Kitchener says:

    I believe i successfully and unscientifically scouted Nurse the same way here:

    Kitchener:
    Just saw Darnell Nurse & the Greyhounds (SSM) play the Kitchener Rangers from the first row. For Oil fans out west, here’s what you’re missing…

    I’m dizzy from the ice tilting back and forth.This is my #1 observation from the game: with Nurse on the bench, SSM played most of the game in their own end and struggled to clear the zone. With Nurse on the ice, the puck magically left the zone, chaos dissipated, and SSM played a balanced game.

    Joking aside, I agree that scouting is about to get a lot smarter. The key is, which drafting teams will employ the #’s the first, getting the short-term advantage before all 30 teams use the same numbers? From sitting in at Rangers games and watching NHL scouts, some mark stats while others just talk about vague stuff (“strong on the puck” and so on), so from what little I can see there is currently an excellent opportunity for smart teams to grab gems using #’s.

    … if you believe that numbers are more trustworthy than a scout’s opinion. Remember, the Oilers keep dressing Fraser and just recalled Smac.

  40. su_dhillon says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I doubt it. But, I’ll be hoping like hell they give him another year of Junior. No need to rush him.

    Rom my feeling as well, think it would be best, doubt it happens especially if they trade Gagner in summer.

  41. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    su_dhillon: Rom my feeling as well, think it would be best, doubt it happens especially if they trade Gagner in summer.

    Even if they draft him, keep him up and keep Gagner… MacT has to know by now that this team is going to need someone higher up the pegging order to insulate that group.

  42. Jordan says:

    thejonrmcleod,

    No doubt it would be a terrible trade from solely an asset management standpoint. But what I’m saying is that those are the players available if you put that kind of line together for the second line.

    My impression is that MacTEakins wants that kind of lineup. They want some beef/skill on the second line, and those are the player types they want for that line.

    I could just as easily put Legwand between Lucic & Carter on that lineup, and it would be the same type of line – the big difference is that the players I list are (possibly) more available.

    So, if that’s the kind of lineup they want… who do you bring in to build it?

  43. Woodguy says:

    Ducey,

    Also, for those that want to trade Eberle and Yak, take another look at last nights game. Playing Hall 25 minutes a night isn’t going to work.

    Why would trading Eberle for Coututier mean that Hall has to play 25min?

    It doesn’t.

  44. Caramel Obvious says:

    To me the biggest disappointment/criticism of this management group (including coaching) is Arcobello.

    This is a team whose #1 problem is they don’t have enough skill.* This is obvious. Arcobello has skill, played well in the NHL, and is destroying the AHL and they aren’t using him. That’s a major problem.

    *Moving forward the absence of skill has to be the operating assumption. The Oilers should assume that what they see is what they get from Eberle, Hopkins, and Gagner. Eberle is a 20-25 goal scorer not 35, Hopkins is a 60 pt player not an 80 pt player, Gagner is a 40-50 pt player not a 60-70 pt. player. That’s who these guys are. All good enough to play but not really stars. If that is the case then the Oilers have to add scoring.

    The alternative is to do nothing and hope they become something they aren’t.

  45. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I doubt it. But, I’ll be hoping like hell they give him another year of Junior.

    No need to rush him.

    I think they do give him another season in junior.

    I know MacTavish kept Gagner, but that was as a coach and a different situation. In this case, I think they’d send him back, fill the 2C spot by other means (FA) and only retain Draisaitl if all other options have been exhausted.

    Just a hunch, but I don’t think MacTavish sees the roster options in the same light that Tambellini perhaps did.

  46. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Woodguy:
    Ducey,

    Also, for those that want to trade Eberle and Yak, take another look at last nights game. Playing Hall 25 minutes a night isn’t going to work.

    Why would trading Eberle for Coututier mean that Hall has to play 25min?

    It doesn’t.

    If you noticed that Couturier can shut down Crosby, I’m pretty sure Philly management knows it, too. They’re also rivals, and in the same division, same state. I don’t think he’s available.

  47. Jesse says:

    Not sure if this has been posted yet, but some comparables for Joel Rumpel with other goalies who have played in the WCHA in recent years.

    Rumpel
    20 yo season: .919
    21: .929
    22: .931 (a record for the WCHA iirc)

    Curtis McElhinney
    19: .906
    20: .906
    21: .927 (outlier?)

    Brian Elliot
    19: .945
    20: .938
    21: .923

    So a little less impressive than Elliott’s years in the WCHA, but somewhere in that realm. Not a bad acquisition, will be interesting to track.

  48. Esa10 says:

    Instead of the buffalo pick, the Oilers could consider the Ducks pick they gained from the Senators.

    That pick is potentially going to be in the 5-6 range and if “Zee German” is still on the board when the ducks pick, would:

    Gagner and oilers eat half of salary
    for
    Ducks pick

    Would that work or be enough?

    I’m not sure I trade Yak for “Zee German”, in fact, I wouldn’t. However, I would trade Gagner for a young center that will have 3 years on a ELC.

  49. Ryan says:

    John Chambers:
    Lowetide,

    What about Eric Staal who was speculated to be available on the tsn broadcast last night?

    The cost would have to something like Gagner , the pick, and probably Klembof but you need a big C to compete in the West. I would have a similar appetite for Staal that I might for Weber inasmuch as it’s the type of transformational trade worth paying several quality assets, at least far more than I think we need Tyler Myers.

    I’d have a lot of time for Erik Staal.:)

    There is the issue of his NTC though.

    I don’t know if Gagner would be what they want. The only reason they’re trading Staal is to trim actual salary.

    from cap geek, Staal has a cap hit of $8.25 million but is owed more in real dollars – $9.25 m next year and $9.5 million the year after.

    Gagner’s getting paid $5m real dollars for the next two years, so that’s a significant downgrade for them to save $4.25 and $4.5m.

    Would they do it? I’d imagine they’d aim higher (more bang for the buck type of player).

  50. Fish82 says:

    I would shoot for Travis Hamonic way before Myers. What do you think he would cost?

    Yak and Schultz for Hamonic, their 1st?

    Draft Ekblad and Bennett or Draisatl as Reinheart would likely be gone.

    Or,

    WORST case scenario Ekblad is gone and take Reinheart and Draisatl.

    Still leaves us with a D depth chart of
    (Markov?) – Harmonic
    Marincine – Petry
    Kelfbom – Ferrence

    Nurse to Develop another year.

    And Forward

    Hall RNH Draisatl
    Perron Reinheart Ebs

    With Gagner acting as trade bait or buying one of the young new guys some time in Jr. or down the roster.

    Having a stud rookie would still make fewer mistakes at 2C than Gagner

  51. frjohnk says:

    Re: Tyler Mylers

    GP G A P PIM +/-
    2009-10 Buffalo Sabres NHL 82 11 37 48 32 13
    2010-11 Buffalo Sabres NHL 80 10 27 37 40 0
    2011-12 Buffalo Sabres NHL 55 8 15 23 33 5
    2012-13 Buffalo Sabres NHL 39 3 5 8 32 -8
    2013-14 Buffalo Sabres NHL 61 9 13 22 58 -26

    His first 3 seasons were good, the end of his 3rd year, he broke his wrist, and had a bruised foot. But his numbers in the first 3 years were all comparable.

    Last year, not sure what happened, but he ended up breaking his leg near the end and the season was lost.

    This year, he has rebounded somewhat.

    If a package included Yak OR this years top pick I would take the chance on him.

  52. DBO says:

    On the Myers for our 1st question. How much better and more balanced is this D to start next year.

    Ference-Myers (Ference plays well with vet puck mover )
    Marincin-Petry
    Klefbom-Schultz

    Is that group not bigger, more balanced and have all 6 who can actually make a pass. And it shelters our younger bunch, plus allows Nurse to stay in junior one more year, with Simpson, Gernat and Musil all knocking on the door hoping to take Ference’s spot in a year or two. The pick, as we have seen here, is still not certain. Especially dmen. Myers helps our PP and PK, balances our team, and fits the age range. Yep he makes a lot, but he also moves our D growth and effectiveness forward by 2-3 years, which is what we need to compete.

    Trade the pick for Myers, add two way winger like Kulemin, try to find a centre via ufa or Gagner deal. But I’m all for Myers.

  53. Marcus Oilerius says:

    frjohnk,

    Yak only for me. Both are high end prospects who are now having their value questioned.

    The top pick either lets us fill 2C or 1D. Myers may be a Samsonov for all we know – showed all he’s got in his rookie season and won’t beat that result.

  54. RexLibris says:

    Ryan,

    Just saw your post from last night.

    I’ve sent the draft review to LT to provide some resource material for the Oilers’ Second Season.

    Keeping my fingers crossed it’ll be useful as a reference, but I’ll probably send it out to interested parties sometime later this spring (when my schedule slows down a little and I’ve had a chance to add the 2009 data). Remind me in June and I’d be happy to pass it along.

  55. Big Dan says:

    Trade the pick for Myers – don’t look a gift horse in the mouth (Hamonic is not on the market). Reinhart, Bennett, Drasaitl, meh.

    The Oilers BADLY need a guy like Myers. Suddenly, once they add a minute munching veteran like Markov, D becomes a STRENGTH (Markov, Myers, Petry, Marincin, Ference + kids). Go figure!

    Maybe they flip Gagner for Clifford and a pick, use the pick to acquire and sign Markov, and Arco (or a FA signing like Grabovski) replaces Gagner.

    Those three moves are all MacT needs to do to get them into the playoff race next year since he shored up the goaltending and the toughness and usefulness of the bottom two lines (Gordon, Lander, Hendricks, Gazdic, Clifford?, Pitlick).

    It’ll take the pressure off of the kids like Schultz, Marincin, Klefbom, and Nurse. Klefbom can ripen a little bit some more in the AHL (Marincin was a year and 1/2). And Nurse gets 9 games and then another year in junior – or adopts a smaller role and gets groomed slowly.

    And this way, the Oilers keep Yakupov. Although I’d be open to Yak-for-Myers too… I’d rather have Yakupov than Bennett, Drasaitl, or Reinhart. He is already done two years of growing pains – huge edge over them. All Yak needs a defensively responsible centre to help guide him.

    Buffalo is smart = draft Ekblad 1st overall then deal Myers for Edmonton’s top pick. Great strategy for them too.


    If the Oilers can get both Staals for some package of Yakupov, Gagner, Schultz, and their 1st rounder… I know, it was a crazy rumor that was reported. But I’d do it = that blockbuster sure would be fun!

    Why wouldn’t Staal waive his NTC in that case? He’d instantly make Edmonton much more competitive than Carolina.

  56. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Big Dan,

    Myers is an unproven commodity at this point. Right now he’s like a #4 defenceman on a good team, and his potential is uncertain since he’s suffered growing pains and injuries.

    Ekblad, by contrast, is the consensus #1 pick.

  57. oliveoilers says:

    Final thing about Hemsky, I swear! Last night’s goal was typical of 83 in recent years. (an indictment of the team, not him.) Awesome display of skill, but ultimately the game was still lost. I wonder if his skills hypnosis of the d-men also works on his own team? People just give him the puck to see what he’ll do next then forget there’s a game on! Or fall into the ‘he scored one of them, so he can do it again and save our asses’ trap.

  58. VanOil says:

    The Mackenzie Trade:

    The safe/conventional option: Draft Draisaitl keep Gagner to mentor and shelter him for the remainder of Gagner’s contract. Find a some veteran D to work as place holders until the kids arrive.

    The bold option: Trade the 2014 1st round pick + Gagner for Tyler Myers and Grigorenko. After 5 years in the NHL Myers is at the age where they figure it out an become the player they can be. He has the tool box to be great. Grigorenko is a big skilled center.

    The only way the bold option pays out is if you have the coaching staff that can deliver the defensive coaching and system that Myers can reach his potential in. They would also have to be able to coach the chaos out of Grigorenko. I am not sold that our current coaching staff has the skills to deliver that.

    If we draft a young center of the future I hope we keep Gagner to shelter him. If we trade Gagner I would prefer a possession plus player like Brock Nelson. But these are not bold moves, MacT promised bold and impatience.

    I have seen Myers really good a few times this year so I would not be opposed to the trade even if it meant sweetening it with some lower round picks. I am tired of the draft being the highlight of the season.

  59. LMHF#1 says:

    Why are these offers for Myers so large?

    The Sabres have a ton of young D, and you’re buying low on a big contract.

    I’m a big fan of acquiring Myers, but the prices being bandied about here are much too high for the risk.

    Offer sheet Subban, or trade the #1 (maybe + as well) for a minimum established #2 D. That’s the kind of thing you need to look at.

    If Buffalo wants that pick, you’re looking at this guy http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=139048 rather than Myers as the beginning of the conversation. I imagine a trade with Buffalo would have to be a bit of a blockbuster rather than a simple deal to work out for both teams.

  60. VanOil says:

    DBO:
    On the Myers for our 1st question. How much better and more balanced is this D to start next year.

    Ference-Myers (Ference plays well with vet puck mover )
    Marincin-Petry
    Klefbom-Schultz

    Is that group not bigger, more balanced and have all 6 who can actually make a pass. And it shelters our younger bunch, plus allows Nurse to stay in junior one more year, with Simpson, Gernat and Musil all knocking on the door hoping to take Ference’s spot in a year or two. The pick, as we have seen here, is still not certain. Especially dmen. Myers helps our PP and PK, balances our team, and fits the age range. Yep he makes a lot, but he also moves our D growth and effectiveness forward by 2-3 years, which is what we need to compete.

    Trade the pick for Myers, add two way winger like Kulemin, try to find a centre via ufa or Gagner deal. But I’m all for Myers.

    I would not be upset going into next season with this D line up. I would add an older guy like Belov or Ranger to be number #7 as an a bridge between OKC and this very young line up. Nurse getting his 9 game trial as a reward for good play and some hope going back to Jr would also be OK.

  61. LMHF#1 says:

    DBO:
    On the Myers for our 1st question. How much better and more balanced is this D to start next year.

    Ference-Myers (Ference plays well with vet puck mover )
    Marincin-Petry
    Klefbom-Schultz

    Is that group not bigger, more balanced and have all 6 who can actually make a pass. And it shelters our younger bunch, plus allows Nurse to stay in junior one more year, with Simpson, Gernat and Musil all knocking on the door hoping to take Ference’s spot in a year or two. The pick, as we have seen here, is still not certain. Especially dmen. Myers helps our PP and PK, balances our team, and fits the age range. Yep he makes a lot, but he also moves our D growth and effectiveness forward by 2-3 years, which is what we need to compete.

    Trade the pick for Myers, add two way winger like Kulemin, try to find a centre via ufa or Gagner deal. But I’m all for Myers.

    That’s placing a lot of responsibility on the shoulders of young players and the incapable Andrew Ference.

    Is the goal to build a D that can simply get by then rely on the goalies and top 6 to win? Or is the goal to take D from a weakness to a strength? I’d prefer the latter.

  62. fifthcartel says:

    Stauffer mentions if the pick is around ~4 he would move it for someone like Spezza.

    If they could extend Spezza I’d be all for that.

  63. 106 and 106 says:

    LMHF#1,

    I think what we need to ask if this looks like a D corps that is a playoff worthy one? With Ference in #1A, it’s definitely not.

    Also, throw in an injury or two or three, and with no depth comes complete chaos.

  64. Yeti says:

    RexLibris: If Edmonton were to select 3rd and 4th based on keeping their own pick and adding the Islanders, it could allow them to take Ekblad and a Center in a single draft.

    Or they flip the two picks together for a major player.

  65. OilClog says:

    Acquiring a center to push Hopkins to 2C should be the only goal, Spezza would be perfect.

    I’d trade the pick for him in a heartbeat.

    Grigs in Buffalo does not play like a Large player what so ever. I’d much prefer Yakimov for that role honestly.

    Myers, I’d add but only on a buy low. He has no more value currently then Gagner IMO. A Gags/Myers swap would be ok.

    Personally I’d ship out the pick, Gags and Ebs.

    Keep Yak and add a Spezza, Myers, Stewart trifecta.

  66. Ryan says:

    DBO:
    On the Myers for our 1st question. How much better and more balanced is this D to start next year.

    Ference-Myers (Ference plays well with vet puck mover )
    Marincin-Petry
    Klefbom-Schultz

    Is that group not bigger, more balanced and have all 6 who can actually make a pass. And it shelters our younger bunch, plus allows Nurse to stay in junior one more year, with Simpson, Gernat and Musil all knocking on the door hoping to take Ference’s spot in a year or two. The pick, as we have seen here, is still not certain. Especially dmen. Myers helps our PP and PK, balances our team, and fits the age range. Yep he makes a lot, but he also moves our D growth and effectiveness forward by 2-3 years, which is what we need to compete.

    Trade the pick for Myers, add two way winger like Kulemin, try to find a centre via ufa or Gagner deal. But I’m all for Myers.

    Yikes, if that’s our top six dmen, there’s no second season unless we get all-world goaltending.

    Ference needs to be on bottom pairing with Schultz.

  67. godot10 says:

    Spezza has a wonky back. You guys want to bet the rebuild on a wonky back. Spezza will be facing heavy teams in the Western Conference, That back isn’t going to hold up.

  68. Ryan says:

    OilClog,

    You do know that Spezza is 30, right about the age that the offense starts to decline rapidly?

    I don’t know how you can make an argument to trade a lottery pick for a 30-year-old centre.

  69. Bag of Pucks says:

    fifthcartel:
    Stauffer mentions if the pick is around ~4 he would move it for someone like Spezza. 55% starts in the Ozone and he’s still -22 this season. Never saw a back check he couldn’t ignore.

    If they could extend Spezza I’d be all for that.

    The problem with Spezza is he’s a poor defensive player and always has been. Turris gets the tough ZS’s in Ott now

  70. LMHF#1 says:

    106 and 106:
    LMHF#1,

    I think what we need to ask if this looks like a D corps that is a playoff worthy one? With Ference in #1A, it’s definitely not.

    Also, throw in an injury or two or three, and with no depth comes complete chaos.

    Precisely.

    I think you can address depth effectively via the UFA route. It seems every year there are a number of worthy pick ups that can help. The key is to pick the right ones.

  71. Bag of Pucks says:

    The only player in the Top 25 in scoring with a worse +/- than Spezza’s (-22) is that world renowned defensive dynamo Ovechkin (-31).

    Eakins has enough problems convincing the kids to backcheck without adding someone like Spezza.

  72. hunter1909 says:

    godot10:
    Spezza has a wonky back.You guys want to bet the rebuild on a wonky back.Spezza will be facing heavy teams in the Western Conference,That back isn’t going to hold up.

    Thus forevermore – fans of loser teams jacking themselves off with the idea of obtaining other team’s castoff “quality” players…casually tossing their own hard to get assets in return.

  73. Lynas1 says:

    Maybe I missed it in a previous comment/article, but I’m wondering who is the better prospect, and who would get here first (if they choose ekblad) nurse or ekblad? Any good comparisons out there between these two?

  74. Bag of Pucks says:

    hunter1909: Thus forevermore – fans of loser teams jacking themselves off withthe idea of obtaining other team’s castoff “quality” players…casually tossing their own hard to get assets in return.

    Some of the transactions suggested by posters remind me of moves you’d make to win a hockey pool, not to build a Stanley Cup contending roster.

  75. Bag of Pucks says:

    LMHF#1:
    Why are these offers for Myers so large?

    Because Internet?

  76. Lynas1 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    EA Sports

  77. sliderule says:

    Lynas1:
    Maybe I missed it in a previous comment/article, but I’m wondering who is the better prospect, and who would get here first (if they choose ekblad) nurse or ekblad?Any good comparisons out there between these two?

    The OHL coaches poll is out and Ekblad is rated best offensive D,best defensive D ,hardest shot and best shot.

    This guy will step on oilers and be a number one D within a year.

    If they take him they would probably trade Nurse or Klefbom plus Gagner for a bigger centre.

  78. rich says:

    godot10,

    Agree w/Godot10 on Spezza. He will not hold up in the Western Conference.

    The holes are obvious on this roster – although not as numerous as last year. MacT’s job this summer will be every bit as challenging as they were last summer in order to make this team competitive next season.

    I like the fact that he’s changed his rhetoric from promising bold to just rolling up his sleeves and letting the work speak for it.

  79. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lynas1:
    Bag of Pucks,

    EA Sports

    You can’t trade a 2nd round pick for John Tavares in real life?

  80. stevezie says:

    Caramel Obvious: To me the biggest disappointment/criticism of this management group (including coaching) is Arcobello.

    Yep. I am not saying this is the most damaging mistake, but with everything else I can at least see what they’re thinking. Sending Arco down and keeping him there- maybe they’re deliberately tanking? Maybe they’re stupid? Maybe I’m stupid?

    I read in the journal that, when SMac was called up, Eakins commented on why they didn’t take Arcobello. Does anyone know what those comments actually were?

  81. Rondo says:

    sliderule: The OHL coaches poll is out and Ekblad is rated best offensive D,best defensive D ,hardest shot and best shot.

    This guy will step on oilers and be a number one D within a year.

    If they take him they would probably trade Nurse or Klefbomplus Gagner for abigger centre.

    They would not trade Nurse, he has a higher upside than Ekblad.

  82. LoDog says:

    stevezie: Yep. I am not saying this is the most damaging mistake, but with everything else I can at least see what they’re thinking. Sending Arco down and keeping him there- maybe they’re deliberately tanking? Maybe they’re stupid? Maybe I’m stupid?

    I read in the journal that, when SMac was called up, Eakins commented on why they didn’t take Arcobello. Does anyone know what those comments actually were?

    Arco is injured. Minor but not available.

    So now that Hemsky is gone the Oilers should trade Yak and Shultz and maybe the first round pick for has beens or never was, Is that the great insight here? Oh I forgot to trade Eberle too.

    If its Hemsky, the motto is get good players, keep good players, but these rotten kids should all go. Oh my,

  83. Gerta Rauss says:

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Travis-Yost/Extending-Hemsky/134/58850

    Travis Yost latest on extending Hemsky

    hockeybuzz alert for those not inclined to visit the site

  84. rickithebear says:

    It takes 4-6 months for the body to Physically recover froma weight loss in a jaw Diet!

    Gganer was .79 PPG player last year. and at that level again since Jan.
    Gagner has averaged 77GM per season.
    last year he was a 20G-40A pace center.
    there are on average 11 centers a yearthat do that.
    arond 16-17 near those numbers.

    Healthy RNH and Healthy Gagner curently produce near that 20G-40A pace.
    That would be 2 top 20 point producing centers!

    Gagner has been most successful with Penner, E. Cole, Smyth

    Hall-Arco-XXX
    Perron-RNH-Eberle
    Smyth-Gagner-XXX
    Hendricks-Gordon-XXX

    Sadly!

  85. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Rondo: They would not trade Nurse, he has a higher upside than Ekblad.

    How do you figure?

    I haven’t seen Ekblad play, and what I saw of Nurse screamed “raw potential, but lots of it”, but judging by the stats: Ekblad is one of a select few to be allowed to come in underage into the CHL. He’s heavier than Nurse already, and roughly the same height. He’s producing more points in his draft year than Nurse, more points in his draft year than Nurse did in his draft +1, more goals than Nurse scored, and both at a higher scoring rate than Nurse had in draft +1. It’s not as if Ekblad is padding his stats with a better team, either.

  86. Lloyd B. says:

    rickithebear,

    Did you trade Yak ?

  87. bendelson says:

    A trade for Myers would predict Schultz or Petry leaving town… No way they tie up $12M on RH defencemen – unless the plan is quality on the right and rookies on the left.

    I like the idea of Myers and like the idea of getting quality back by trading one of the other two…
    We shall see.

  88. RBB says:

    Lynas1,

    Many scouts have suggested that Ekblad is ready to play in the NHL next season. Many scouts argued that Nurse needed another year of development before taking that step. Since Ekblad is one year younger than Nurse it would appear as though both players are at the same place with regards to breaking in to the league, however, that also suggests a quicker trajectory for Ekblad.
    I don’t think anyone on this blog will tell you that either player should be in the league next year, but some scouts have suggested that Nurse has a higher ceiling and a higher risk of not reaching that ceiling compared to Ekblad whose game is more consistent, yet less flashy.

    So Ekblad is the better prospect. Jones would be a better comparable, but I’ve heard that Jones is the best prospect out of the last two drafts (meaning last years and this years…pardon the incoherence).

  89. Rondo says:

    Marcus Oilerius,

    Brock Otten has been very good with rating OHL players . His comment

    http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2013/10/early-season-top-30-for-2014-nhl-draft.html

    “I too believe Nurse has a higher upside. Nurse is the better forward skater and puck rusher and is a more athletic defender. He’s also the more naturally physical player. Ekblad is tough to play against, but Nurse plays with a more consistent edge and seems to enjoy that part of the game more.

    Ekblad is actually the better power play quarterback right now though IMO. Does a better job of making decisions with the puck on the point and gets his shot through. Defensively they’re pretty identical except for the fact that Nurse is the more consistently physical player.

    I think it was Craig Button who recently compared Ekblad to Chris Phillips and I like that one. He’s going to play a long time in the league and he’s going to eat a ton of minutes, but he’s probably never going to be someone you consider among the best defenseman in the league. While Nurse has a higher “bust” potential, he also has the potential to be considered in that “top defenseman” category due to his growing ability to play both ends.”

  90. RBB says:

    What Rondo said…

  91. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Rondo,

    Are there any more recent impressions? That’s from the start of the season.

    http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/search?updated-min=2014-01-01T00:00:00-05:00&updated-max=2015-01-01T00:00:00-05:00&max-results=10

    That’s 2014 blog results, and he’s not comparing them directly, but quotes people who praise Ekblad in the most glowing terms. He also says that in the playoff series post, “I think Ekblad is motivated to win this series all by himself.”, whereas Nurse gets not individual mention. Not that this is especially significant, mind you, but it might say something.

    Also, the OHL coaches poll results posted on that site:

    http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2014/03/ohl-coaches-poll-my-ballot-2014.html

    No direct comparisons because of East/West division, but Ekblad scores second in offense and first in defense in the East, while Nurse goes second and third, respectively, while being 362 days younger.

  92. sliderule says:

    Rondo,

    I respect how the coaches rate the players more than guys like Otten and Button.

    The rankings were by conference so Ekblad wasn’t being directly compared to Nurse as they are in different conferences.Nurse didn’t show up in rankings for his conference in any of the categories except surprisingly third in hardest shot.

    Sam Bennett topped three categories smartest player,best stick handler and best playmaker.

  93. sliderule says:

    Marcus Oilerius,

    That’s not the coaches poll it’s his idea how it will turn out.

  94. Marcus Oilerius says:

    sliderule,

    D’oh. That’ll teach me to read properly.

    Still, it gives an insight into the source’s mind.

  95. OilClog says:

    Insanity!

    When did Spezza become washed up?

    I would trade the lottery pick in a weak class for a #1 C with atleast 5 good seasons left that could allow RNH to mature! Within that 5 yr window and eventually become a legit #1c instead of being thrusted into like he has been.

    Spezza wouldn’t last in the west? Why? How does everyone else last? How does the Nuge ever hope to have a career? Gags should be packing groceries by the sounds of it.

  96. AZOIL says:

    OilClog:
    Insanity!

    When did Spezza become washed up?

    I would trade the lottery pick in a weak class for a #1 C with atleast 5 good seasons left that could allow RNH to mature! Within that 5 yr window and eventually become a legit #1c instead of being thrusted into like he has been.

    Spezza wouldn’t last in the west? Why? How does everyone else last? How does the Nuge ever hope to have a career? Gags should be packing groceries by the sounds of it.

    This got me laughing! Neither agree, nor disagree, but on a long friday afternoon I needed a chuckle! Thanks!

  97. hags9k says:

    Bang on LT. Draft Ekblad, back to junior for both of the big trains. More patience. Not what any of us wants to hear, but probably the right choice. Again, we are in danger of turning the ship North too early then risk never making it to perennial contender which was the original destination.

  98. godot10 says:

    OilClog:
    Insanity!

    When did Spezza become washed up?

    I would trade the lottery pick in a weak class for a #1 C with atleast 5 good seasons left that could allow RNH to mature! Within that 5 yr window and eventually become a legit #1c instead of being thrusted into like he has been.

    Spezza wouldn’t last in the west? Why? How does everyone else last? How does the Nuge ever hope to have a career? Gags should be packing groceries by the sounds of it.

    Spezza is 30 with a chronic injury. Not a good candidate for a new long term contract.

    The top of this draft is NOT weak. Those 3 centres are good. Reinhart and Draisatl have outstanding offensive production for top offensive prospects out of the WHL in the last decade.

    Sam Bennett is one of the younger players in the draft, with offensive product in-line with top OHL draft prospects historically.

  99. art vandelay says:

    The scouting report on Shutt is in English, and is understandable to hockey fans.
    The scouting report on Nurse is gobbledygook; sounds like it’s written by an analytics doofus trying to sound like he has the first clue about hockey.

  100. admiralmark says:

    Should be able to trade Gagner for Myers no? Oh I forgot he’s basically Todd Marchant without the speed. Oh and without his defensive ability. Ahhhhh forget it.

  101. Lowetide says:

    art vandelay:
    The scouting report on Shutt is in English, and is understandable to hockey fans.
    The scouting report on Nurse is gobbledygook; sounds like it’s written by an analytics doofus trying to sound like he has the first clue about hockey.

    Hi Art!!!!

  102. art vandelay says:

    Seriously, what does that Nurse scouting report tell us? It’s like the MBA who gets brought into an organization to tell the people who’ve been working there for 30 years how to run the company, even though they just got out of college, haven’t moved out of mom’s house yet, and couldn’t mail a letter if required. It’s vacuous, empty-headed nonsense.
    Anybody who reads that Shutt report – whether they ever saw him play or not – understands exactly what kind of player is being discussed.

  103. Big Dan says:

    Marcus Oilerius,

    I know Ekblad is way better than Myers. But Ekblad isn’t possible. Buffalo will draft him. They are trying to get Edmonton’s pick (3rd or 4th) for Myers.

    That is a no-brainer for me. Edmonton should do it. If that is just conjecture by the media, then plan B would be Andrei Markov (but $ and age and injuries makes that a distant plan B).

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