CANUCKS V OILERS, G82 13-14

In the beginning, they all look good in suits. The NHL draft provides young men every summer, and they’re all young and talented and fueled by dreams. It is a RARE item for a player and team to waltz through the next 20 years together, but in the case of Ryan Smyth and Edmonton that’s how the story told. We were lucky to have him these years, and he tells us the feeling is mutual. That 2006 team is high on my personal mantle of fan experience, Smyth is too. It’s going to be an emotional night, either due to the events we’ll see on television, or the events we don’t see on television. Either way, rock the casbah tonight if you’re going to the game. Celebrate a wonderful career, and a good man.

bailey2Josh Bailey

We chatted in the thread below about the forward group, the feeling is/was that Edmonton would be looking to add scoring in the offseason. I think the Oilers are better served by hiring three ‘two-way’ type forwards and allowing their current snipers more time in the scoring zones to make things happen.

Hear me out.

Let’s say the Oilers hook up with the Islanders this summer, trading Sam Gagner for Josh Bailey. He’s a winger currently, has been for a couple of seasons, but came up as a center and can play the position. So, let’s put him in Gagner’s spot and see how that looks:

  • L1: Nugent-Hopkins—Hall—Eberle
  • L2: Bailey—Yakupov—Perron

Technically, you’ve reduced your offense. Right? There’s no way Bailey is Gagner’s equal offensively, hell Bailey has fewer points than 89 this season! However, you’re improving the look of the 2line, giving them more of a chance to gain and maintain possession. Bailey gives structure to Yakupov’s game, as does Perron, and allows the young Russian to wheel.

  • The 1line scored 72 goals this season, plus whatever they do tonight. The Bruins big line of Krejci—Lucic—Iginla has 71 goals, so despite the criticisms in the previous thread, I don’t think the top line is a major concern. If you sprinkle some power-play success in there, maybe they pop 80+ goals, but if they manage this kind of production next season we shouldn’t consider it a poor year.
  • The 2line this year scored 49 goals, but I think we can agree there were issues. We’ll get into these themes during the RE series, but Dallas Eakins handling of Yakupov, Gagner’s injury and poor coverage, plus Perron’s quality season make it difficult to really see what we have here. The Bruins 2nd line of Bergeron—Marchand—Reilly Smith scored 73 goals, a tremendous total for a second line (you could argue it’s the top line). The improvement offensively for Edmonton has to come from the 2line, and I don’t think adding a pure offensive player is the right play. The reason a Josh Bailey (and I don’t care about the specific player, pick Hanzal in PHX if you like) makes sense is he’ll help the ‘what you leave’ portion of the game for this line.

The Oilers third line has been a mixed bag this season, but Boyd Gordon is the constant. He played most with Ryan Smyth and Matt Hendricks, and those gents scored 21 goals. It has to be mentioned that Hendricks has played on 32 games with the team, and that we have not accounted for Ales Hemsky’s 9 goals this season, but I don’t think the Oilers are very likely to have a third line who post 40 goals next year.

Let’s have a look at the 3line I proposed last night:

  • Boyd Gordon—David Moss—Daniel Winnik

What I’m basically doing here is trying to find a 2002 Marchant line on a budget, and you have to give up offense if you’re going to stay under $7.5M for three veterans. If Edmonton can get a better scorer for this line, that’s great. If not, they’ll have to ride a better powerplay and an improved 2line to success next season. By the way, my third line scored 21 goals this season. I don’t think it’s worthwhile to spend big money on offensive types for the 3line. The Bruins 3line of Carl Soderberg—Chris Kelly—Loui Eriksson scored 34 goals this past season. That’s definitely beyond the Oilers unless a young player emerges from the pack and has terrific offense (this isn’t going to happen. A guy like Bogdan Yakimov or Jujhar Khaira might make the team but he’s not going to score 16 goals).

The offense-to-add for 2014-15 comes from the 2line. And the power play. The 1line performed well and the third line should be used to improve the GA next season.

ekbladIt’s easier to be an Oiler fan in the offseason than the regular year—man that’s a terrible but true statement—so we’ll role with draft talk and RE’s beginning next week. I’m hoping we hear about the Dillon Simpson signing soon, and of course we might see some coaching changes in the coming days.

Saturday Sports Extra will be on following Masters coverage today. Paul Almeida and I will be on approx. 5-7 this evening, with Masters chat, Smyth banter and we’ll argue about how to fix the Oilers. We’ll also welcome guests Paul Reinhart and Morris Lukowich in hour two of the show. TSN 1260, 5-ish.

I know cheering for losses is not popular, but this might be the night to do it. If Edmonton stays in 29th, they’ll draft 1, 2 or 3. Last night for Smyth, it’s crying time again.

 

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  1. oliveoilers says:

    I’ve posted before that we have to allow our thoroughbreds to be that. If Bailey can allow Yak and even Perron a little more time to do their thing, then the drop off in 2C points would be more than made up by them. I’ve lost count the number of times Perron has been below the opposition blue line, Gagner has been on the opposition blue line and Perron has still beat him back defensively.

    Also, watching games a little more closely, I’m coming to the conclusion that we need yet another type of d-man: One who can hold the OPPOSITION’S blue line. The management have professed their intent to get d-men who can skate the puck out of our zone and make the first pass. But our d-men are absolutely terrible at keeping that puck in. Smid WAS good at this. Watch top teams’ top four d-men. They can keep that puck in. I don’t know if it’s ability or the positioning the coach is having them play. We so desperately need more time in the opposition’s zone. Now Dubnyk isn’t here, it’s pretty hard to score on us from 200ft.

  2. Ben says:

    What on earth is happening in St. Louis?

    Also, is everyone really convinced that Ekblad is the BPA over Bennett and Draisatl? I won’t be too disappointed if we end up picking 4th. We need C and D, and there’ll be a good one there, either way.

    Plus, the though that they would surely at some point ice Ekbald, Klef, Marincin and Nurse against Chicago next year (because Oilers) gives me the shimmy-shimmy-shakes.

    Smytty’s been all-business in the front-9 of his professional life, here’s hoping he can party in the back-9.

  3. John Chambers says:

    Ben,

    I agree that selecting a C is probably the less risky strategy, and if the club can flip a winger for a D in the here and now this team will be structured much better.

    Great mullet / golf analogy for Smytty as well.

  4. Lowetide says:

    Ben:
    What on earth is happening in St. Louis?

    Also, is everyone really convinced that Ekblad is the BPA over Bennett and Draisatl?I won’t be too disappointed if we end up picking 4th.We need C and D, and there’ll be a good one there, either way.

    Plus, the though that they would surely at some point ice Ekbald, Klef, Marincin and Nurse against Chicago next year (because Oilers) gives me the shimmy-shimmy-shakes.

    Smytty’s been all-business in the front-9 of his professional life, here’s hoping he can party in the back-9.

    Based on what I’ve read and been told, I’m not convinced Ekblad is going to be a “franchise” defenseman like Denis Potvin. If he’s Alex Pietrangelo, I don’t think the Oilers can afford to pass on him, but am fairly certain we won’t consider him to be the BPA a decade from now.

  5. frjohnk says:

    I think the first line have another gear, so if they have a good summer of training and stay healthy next year, I’d expect a better year next year. 80 goals for first line

    Perron is probably one of the best 2nd line wingers in the game. How many teams would he be a first line winger? Lot’s, me thinks. Hopefully Yak can find his grove next year and score 25. Next year could be a make or break year for Yak and the oilers. The second line center for these two wingers needs to defensively aware big time, able to help our D break up a cycle in our own end more often than not, good on faceoffs, can take and make a pass, can skate well, maybe put up 15 goals. I don’t think Bailey fits this bill but we do need someone other than Gagner. 65 goals for 2nd line.

    I don’t expect much offense from the 3rd line or even 4th line. I’m sure the Gordon line will be fine. But I hope that we can ice a 4th line that can actually outplay most other teams 4th lines and not get hemmed in our zone the majority of the night. They don’t have to score but having the 4th line leaving the ice in the offensive zone more than 50% of time would be a step in the right direction.

    We also need more offense from the D. All of our D need to work on getting shots on shot, I think the oilers are near the bottom in regards to goals and shots.

  6. oliveoilers says:

    Ben,

    What on earth is happening in St. Louis?

    Never mind St. Louis. WTF is happening in Tampa Bay? Malone showing the world how he gets his ‘edge’.

    This just in: Ovechkin going to WC. Apparently he said he’d only go if he could play on a line with other Russians. Hockey Russia eventually gave in to his demands in a statement: “Wow. Fifty goals this year. One for every IQ point.”

  7. oliveoilers says:

    Lowetide: Based on what I’ve read and been told, I’m not convinced Ekblad is going to be a “franchise” defenseman like Denis Potvin. If he’s Alex Pietrangelo, I don’t think the Oilers can afford to pass on him, but am fairly certain we won’t consider him to be the BPA a decade from now.

    Admittedly, I only saw him in the WJCs, but I saw him bad at offense, but good on d. I thought foot speed was a problem, but he could be one of those deceptive players that look slow, but eat up the ice. I don’t care about a franchise d-man. I just want a guy that wont embarrass himself at 1/2.

  8. Ben says:

    Also, I’m calling Samwise for Colin WIlson.

  9. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide: Based on what I’ve read and been told, I’m not convinced Ekblad is going to be a “franchise” defenseman like Denis Potvin. If he’s Alex Pietrangelo, I don’t think the Oilers can afford to pass on him, but am fairly certain we won’t consider him to be the BPA a decade from now.

    If Ekblad is not the “franchise” player, then would picking him just be redundant with our D prospect depth? No doubt he is gonna be good, definitely top 4, most likely top pairing. But that will take 3 years for him, maybe 4.

    So by 2016-17, we will have Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin, Schultz, Petry, Simpson already or becoming impact players. We should be able to get a really good top 4 out of those guys by then. And I have not even mentioned Musil or Gernat, who might become a good 3rd pairing by then.

    I can see the draw of having Nurse and Ekblad on the top pairing if they both reach their ceiling. Pronger and Weber on your top pairing for 15 years. But I doubt they reach that.

    I think trade the pick for a C or draft a C. We are weakest there.

  10. VanOil says:

    I was able to attend last nights OKC game. Or at least the second half due to Hwy 1 traffic. Here are some impressions;

    $2 Hot dogs and $3 beer did not fill the stands but it was a good atmosphere anyway. The tween girls hockey teams in attendance seemed to love the DJ, I liked the singer song writers during the intermission.

    As for the Hockey, despite the loss Coach Nelson’s men were clearly the better side and dominated possession and shots. I was very impressed by the coaching on the bench and between defense partners with all the new pro’s.

    The stand out player for me was Khaira. He has clearly won the coaches trust already. His positional play at center and in front of the net was very good. A concern is the skating but it is hard to evaluate as his bow leggedness is off putting, he seemed to get to where he need to go. Where he need to go was often finishing his check hard. He looks a lock for AHL hockey next year and a brief call up to the Oilers would not surprise me. If he can find half a step and clean up enough PP goals he will play in the NHL.

    Chase, who I was excited to see, took a knock soon after I arrived and was not the fire cracker of a player after that I was hopping. I am glad the injury does not look too bad and he returned to the game. He looks at home at the AHL level it is shame he will have to return to Jr next year. After witnessing Khaira’s positional play I was wondering if the the Oilers could engineer a trade from the Hitmen to the Silvertips. It might hurt his goal point production but aide his development.

    Nurse of course stood out. His skating is +++. He is also clearly ready for the AHL. His skating covers for a lot of mistakes/pinches. Wow does he look young though, I hope the Oilers are able to resist the temptation to rush him to the NHL. After a full year with this excellent AHL coaching staff the Oilers would have a Calder winner, give or take some Eastern media bias.

    Musil looks like an old pro not a rookie. He is already on his way to becoming an elite AHL/KHL shut down defender. If he can find half a step or more he will be an NHL stalwart. I sure hope he can, figure skating or short track cross training might help. It is the only thing he is missing. His body and brain otherwise look NHL ready right now.

    Other players did not jump out and draw my attention. Fedun is a AHL stalwart, Hunt and Stretch AHL journey men. Horak looked OK when I did notice him. It is way more fun cheering for a possession team that loses than a non possession team I expect a Barons win on Sunday.

  11. John Chambers says:

    The reverse argument for drafting Ekblad is that elite defensemen are virtually impossible to obtain via trade. It seems evident that if you selected the BDA best D available five years running, one might become truly elite, another 2-3 guy, a mid-pair, a bottom-pair, and a guy who altogether doesn’t turn the corner.

    So the % success ratio is probably less if the desired outcome is # of games played, but like the Oilers if you really need a couple of horses on the blue, “Going Nasville” is a strategy that has its merits.

  12. Lowetide says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 40s

    #Oilers have recalled forward Roman Horak from the @OKCBarons. Horak has posted 52 points (21G, 31A) in 63 @TheAHL games this season.

  13. Pouzar says:

    Love the post LT.

    Lets try and prevent some goals and let the kids do their thing and lets get Yak back on track.
    I really believe one of Khaira, Yakimov, Chase (hopefully more) will be a useful NHL player down the road.

  14. Woodguy says:

    Boyd Gordon—David Moss—Daniel Winnik
    What I’m basically doing here is trying to find a 2002 Marchant line on a budget, and you have to give up offense if you’re going to stay under $7.5M for three veterans.

    What I’d like to see the Oilers do is what Chicago did.

    They took their face puncher (Bollig) and put him on a Dzone draw line.

    Right now the Oilers have a similar line in Gordon (his wings fluctuated enough that they don’t show up with him on the left side of the Vollman chart)

    Put this out there:

    Hendricks-Gordon-Gazdic

    Give them all the Dzone they can handle and don’t expect much scoring.

    You say “that’s far too much $$$ for a 4th line”

    That is true, however you can populate your 3rd line with kids/cheaper vets.

    Something like:

    Lander-Arco-Pitlick

    Can be your 3rd line (if you *must* label the lines with numbers)

    The Oilers need a line where they can battle test kids and young men who desperately want to move up the depth chart.

    Saddling these players on a 4th with Gazdic is unfair to them and the team and drives down results when you don’t have to.

    This will help for in-roster competition and help keep the players on the top 2 lines hungry.

    In order to do this you *MUST* get a 2C with a defensive clue. Bailey/Dubinsky/etc.

    The 2nd line won’t be fed the butter softs and needs to hold their own against actual NHL players.

    So you have:

    Hall-RNH-Eberle – Power v Power line

    Yak-Dubinsky/Bailey-Perron – Secondary scoring, doesn’t get killed against real NHLers

    Lander-Arco-Pitlick – Fed offensive zone starts and butter soft comp and is expected to out score that compeition – Arco and Lander have a clue without the puck as well which helps

    Hendrick-Gordon-Gazdick – Fed 15% OZS. Put out there for every Dzone draw when they aren’t sucking wind. Not expected to score, but to get the puck going the other way.

    I’d love to not slot Gazdic in anywhere on the team, but the Oilers want that player, CHI has that player, SJS has that player, that player will be here.

    I also penciled in players we know.

    Feel free to upgrade at any position.

  15. Rondo says:

    The next “franchise” D- man is Noah Hanifin .

  16. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide: Based on what I’ve read and been told, I’m not convinced Ekblad is going to be a “franchise” defenseman like Denis Potvin. If he’s Alex Pietrangelo, I don’t think the Oilers can afford to pass on him, but am fairly certain we won’t consider him to be the BPA a decade from now.

    I like Bennett the more I read. Size be damned.

  17. Pouzar says:

    VanOil:
    I was able to attend last nights OKC game. Or at least the second half due to Hwy 1 traffic. Here are some impressions;

    $2 Hot dogs and $3 beer did not fill the stands but it was a good atmosphere anyway. The tween girls hockey teams in attendance seemed to love the DJ, I liked the singer song writers during the intermission.

    As for the Hockey, despite the loss Coach Nelson’s men were clearly the better side and dominated possession and shots. I was very impressed by the coaching on the bench and between defense partners with all the new pro’s.

    The stand out player for me was Khaira. He has clearly won the coaches trust already. His positional play at center and in front of the net was very good. A concern is the skating but it is hard to evaluate as his bow leggedness is off putting, he seemed to get to where he need to go. Where he need to go was often finishing his check hard. He looks a lock for AHL hockey next year and a brief call up to the Oilers would not surprise me. If he can find half a step and clean up enough PP goals he will play in the NHL.

    Chase, who I was excited to see, took a knock soon after I arrived and was not the fire cracker of a player after that I was hopping. I am glad the injury does not look too bad and he returned to the game. He looks at home at the AHL level it is shame he will have to return to Jr next year. After witnessing Khaira’s positional play I was wondering if the the Oilers could engineer a trade from the Hitmen to the Silvertips. It might hurt his goal point production but aide his development.

    Nurse of course stood out. His skating is +++. He is also clearly ready for the AHL. His skating covers for a lot of mistakes/pinches. Wow does he look young though, I hope the Oilers are able to resist the temptation to rush him to the NHL. After a full year with this excellent AHL coaching staff the Oilers would have a Calder winner, give or take some Eastern media bias.

    Musil looks like an old pro not a rookie. He is already on his way to becoming an elite AHL/KHL shut down defender. If he can find half a step or more he will be an NHL stalwart. I sure hope he can, figure skating or short track cross training might help. It is the only thing he is missing. His body and brain otherwise look NHL ready right now.

    Other players did not jump out and draw my attention. Fedun is a AHL stalwart, Hunt and Stretch AHL journey men. Horak looked OK when I did notice him. It is way more fun cheering for a possession team that loses than a non possession team I expect a Barons win on Sunday.

    Thx for that. Pretty much jives what I’ve seen in my brief online views.

  18. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk: If Ekblad is not the “franchise” player, then would picking him just be redundant with our D prospect depth? No doubt he is gonna be good, definitely top 4, most likely top pairing.But that will take 3 years for him, maybe 4.

    So by 2016-17, we will have Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin, Schultz, Petry, Simpson already or becoming impact players.We should be able to get a really good top 4 out of those guys by then.And I have not even mentioned Musil or Gernat, who might become a good 3rd pairing by then.

    I can see the draw of having Nurse and Ekblad on the top pairing if they both reach their ceiling.Pronger and Weber on your top pairing for 15 years.But I doubt they reach that.

    I think trade the pick for a C or draft a C.We are weakest there.

    This all day long and twice on Sunday.

    There is virtually no F depth in this org, good young Dmen are flowing and the majority of fans want to the Oilers to draft a physically mature D who overpowers his opposition because they are kids.

    I don’t get it.

  19. Pouzar says:

    At this point I don’t know what Pitlick is other than injury prone and unnoticeable really.
    I like the kid but frankly I think Pinizzotto has been more noticeable.

  20. VanOil says:

    Woodguy:

    What I’d like to see the Oilers do is what Chicago did.

    Agreed, We have been on the same page for months on this.

    I have called the two lines Shut Down and Kid Lines. I like your “Dzone draw line” term and what it allows for the second line.

    “The Oilers need a line where they can battle test kids and young men who desperately want to move up the depth chart.” Arco and Lander may not be world beaters but are responsible enough to carry the play and a rawer recruit. I would give this line butter soft comp but average Zone starts. Spark plugs that can play are one the way they need a line like this to allow them some at bats with out Gordon class zone start or Gadzic class cement hands holding them back.

  21. borisnikov says:

    When I look at the situation on defense I’m not sure that what they supposedly have planned is enough. It’s a tall order, but a complete new top pairing would do this team wonders with Marincin-Petry in the 2 slot, Ference-Schutlz in the 3 slot and Klefbom pulling up the rear (because injuries happen). I know that group is a little shy on toughness but if you bring in a Byfuglien or Bieksa type, paired with and undervalued Kulikov, is that not a mid tier NHL lineup? Maybe you leave Klefbom as the #1 callup and Fraser *shivers* as the 7 to satiate the punchy droolers. What say all of you?

  22. Woodguy says:

    VanOil: Agreed, We have been on the same page for months on this.

    I have called the two lines Shut Down and Kid Lines. I like your “Dzone draw line” term and what it allows for the second line.

    “The Oilers need a line where they can battle test kids and young men who desperately want to move up the depth chart.” Arco and Lander may not be world beaters but are responsible enough to carry the play and a rawer recruit. I would give this line butter soft comp but average Zone starts. Spark plugs that can play are one the way they need a line like this to allow them some at bats with out Gordon class zone start or Gadzic class cement hands holding them back.

    Its pretty obvious that we should run the Oilers.

  23. BrazilianOil says:

    Woodguy,

    I like your thoughs about CHI using their lines, but i was thinking that to give all your DZ faceoff to your 4th, you need to have the 3 others lines finishing the plays on the OZ a lot. I don’t know if the oilers can do that.

  24. VanOil says:

    Woodguy:
    There is virtually no F depth in this org, good young Dmen are flowing.

    A mantra that needs repeating. Needed Veteran D that can play. Needed young F that can play. Always needed Nordic goalies who might magic into Kiprusoff.

  25. Woodguy says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 50m

    At 9:04am #yeg Mayor @doniveson proclaimed April 12, 2014 “Ryan Smyth Day”! Thank you, @CityofEdmonton! #94memories

  26. gr8one says:

    Another option for our 3 line that I’m intrigued about is David Clarkson.

    I’ve heard whispers that Toronto might already be thinking compliancy buyout on him, and if that’s the case, than perhaps we might have the inside track on him re-signing here on the cheap since we were supposedly his second option when he signed in T.O..

    Now, I know he’s had an awful season, and everyone saw it coming knowing full well he wasn’t as good as he looked in N.J. but I also don’t think he’s NEARLY as bad as he showed this season, and since he will already be cashing big cheques written by the leafs one would think he should be able to be signed for good value as a third line winger that can move up the lineup if needed.

    Winnik Gordon Clarkson looks pretty good to me on paper.(pixels).

    I don’t hate the idea of Bailey, but I think it’s pretty risky going with a second line center with little offense and hasn’t even really played C recently on a team that’s also a bottom feeder makes me really uncomfortable

    I know it’s pretty far fetched, but I still dream of a summer that includes a coup of a an UFA signing that includes one of Stastny or Legwand, then Gagner could be utilised in a package to fetch a defenseman we need.

    Spezza would be fantastic too if his rumored availability is true as well, depending on the cost of course, but since it would be a salary dump by Ottawa it might be doable.

    Imagine,

    Hall Spezza Eberle
    Perron Nuge Yakupov
    Winnik Gordon Clarkson
    Hendricks Arco Ott

  27. Ryan says:

    Woodguy,

    Woodguy, while I really like your thought process, I’m not sure that I like your actual 3/4 lines.

    Pitlick can’t string 6 injury free games together and Lander can’t piss a drop in the NHL.

    The problem is mostly that the Oilers don’t really have any depth at forward bubbling in the AHL right now.

  28. Ryan says:

    gr8one,

    I thought Dellow showed that with the bonus structure on his contract, it’s virtually buyout proof.

  29. oliveoilers says:

    gr8one:
    Another option for our 3 line that I’m intrigued about is David Clarkson.

    I’ve heard whispers that Toronto might already be thinking compliancy buyout on him, and if that’s the case, than perhaps we might have the inside track on him re-signing here on the cheap since we were supposedly his second option when he signed in T.O..

    Now, I know he’s had an awful season, and everyone saw it coming knowing full well he wasn’t as good as he looked in N.J. but I also don’t think he’s NEARLY as bad as he showed this season, and since he will already be cashing bi cheques written by the leafs should be able to signed for good value for a really good third line winger that can move up the lineup if needed.

    Winnik Gordon Clarkson looks pretty good to me on paper.(pixels).

    If Clarkson is brought out, then we should definitely kicks tyres. However, IF he is, then that is Nonis’s death knell. The hill he dies on. If the hiring of Shanahan isn’t already…..

    BrazilianOil:
    Woodguy,

    I like your thoughs about CHI using their lines, but i was thinking that to give all your DZ faceoff to your 4th, you need to have the 3 others lines finishing the plays on the OZ a lot. I don’t know if the oilers can do that.

    Not so much Chicago, but I hate to say it, the Canucks under Vigneault. The way he used his racehorses compared to his draught horses with the players he had is probably more attainable for us. The Canucks had good players, but Chicago is a different duck. The reason they are able to do what they do is because they have excellent all round players and coaching. We do not. Not yet…..Stepping stones.

  30. Southern Oil says:

    gr8one,

    I thought each team was allowed 2 compliance buyouts no? Hasn’t TO used them up with Grabovski & Komisarek.

  31. Alpine says:

    I’m on board with Moss/Winnik types, big guys with good possession numbers that aren’t totally devoid of skill. Raw goal totals don’t matter as much to me in that role as being able to defend against decent competition. It’s important to remember how much of a wasteland this team is at 5v5 and how badly we need reliable veterans to do things outside of scoring.

    However I don’t think it’ll be easy to sign those guys to the deals they took in Anaheim and Phoenix, and not to mention why any guy like Kulemin would sign here w/o getting borderline Clarkson money. Speaking of Clarkson, TO could only buy him out regularly, but as Mirtle and Dellow have pointed out, he’s got a “buyout-proof” contract. I wouldn’t go anywhere near that contract, as he’s not anything more than just a grinder who can score a bit. There’s other guys who can do what he does for a fraction of the price.

  32. gr8one says:

    Ryan:
    gr8one,

    I thought Dellow showed that with the bonus structure on his contract, it’s virtually buyout proof.

    Ah, Possibly…I wasn’t aware, but wouldn’t be surprised.

  33. PerryK says:

    Woodguy

    I like your thoughts, but I don’t think we can pry Dubinski away from CBJ; they seem to like him too much. But Anisimov may be a better option both defensively and offensively. Also a guy that can play with Yak!

    We don’t need a top pairing; that will happen organically. But one right shot top D would be absolutely fabulous. Hello John Carlson (Washington has cap issues), or maybe the other guy from Sicamous; Cody Franson (because the Leafs haven’t gifted us anything since the Gator, and because “the Leafs”).

  34. gr8one says:

    Southern Oil:
    gr8one,

    I thought each team was allowed 2 compliance buyouts no?Hasn’t TO used them up with Grabovski & Komisarek.

    And yessir, you are correct, it would be a regular buyout if it happened, I’m not sure why I typed compliance.

    Anyways, here is one link of a few that I saw on the subject…and it’s pretty speculative, and I will say that if smart people like Dellow have subsequently threw water on it I’d go with what they say.

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-will-the-maple-leafs-buy-out-david-clarkson/

  35. Lowetide says:

    I do like the Horak callup, and believe he could be a solution to the two-way needs of this team. I saw him good in Calgary, and Neal in OKC is telling us Horak has played very well on the wing. Something to ponder, perhaps that could help with WG’s third line push idea.

  36. OilClog says:

    The Oilers as a franchise has an endless journey of making it up the fans of this sad sack franchise. Ryan Smyth came back to the Oilers to finish his career in the basement.. I’ll never forget you for that 94, also probably never forgive the Oilers for that either.

  37. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    The folks over at the Rig have asked me to write for them.

    Here’s my first piece, please give it a read when you get a chance:

    http://theoilersrig.com/2014/04/page-one/

  38. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    I do like the Horak callup, and believe he could be a solution to the two-way needs of this team. I saw him good in Calgary, and Neal in OKC is telling us Horak has played very well on the wing. Something to ponder, perhaps that could help with WG’s third line push idea.

    Sure.

    Horak-Arco-Lander or something like that.

    Look kids! Extra C’s on the roster just in case….

    Look kids! A 4th line that can score.

    Unicorns abound!!

  39. FastOil says:

    If the Oilers are playing JS as the 1RD they don’t need another stud on the right side. Drafting Ekblad replaces Petry, at some point running 3 top four on a side is too expensive. If Ekblad has speed issues he’s not a fit for the Oilers speed game anyway. And that is the game they need to play given the forward roster.

    Draft the BPA C and sign some vets to hold the fort for a couple of years. Trading a top 3 pick to me is always a bad idea unless there is a VERY good player involved. That talent level especially at C is hard and expensive to get once established.

    I’d like to see something like:

    FORWARDS
    Taylor Hall ($6.000m) / Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($6.000m) / Jordan Eberle ($6.000m)
    Nail Yakupov ($0.925m) / Jussi Jokinen ($5.000m) / David Perron ($3.813m)
    Anton Lander ($1.000m) / Sam Gagner ($4.800m) / Philip Larsen ($1.250m)
    Matt Hendricks ($1.850m) / Boyd Gordon ($3.000m) / Steve Pinizzotto ($0.650m)
    Luke Gazdic ($0.699m) / Tyler Pitlick ($0.851m)

    DEFENSEMEN
    Ron Hainsey ($4.000m) / Justin Schultz ($4.500m)
    Martin Marincin ($0.730m) / Jeff Petry ($3.500m)
    Oscar Klefbom ($0.894m) / Andrew Ference ($3.250m)
    Anton Belov ($1.750m) /

    GOALTENDERS
    Ben Scrivens ($2.300m)
    Viktor Fasth ($2.900m)
    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
    (estimations for 2014-15)
    SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,685,667; BONUSES: $3,340,000
    CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $5,414,333

    Or if the Gords smile:

    FORWARDS
    Taylor Hall ($6.000m) / Paul Stastny ($7.500m) / Jordan Eberle ($6.000m)
    Nail Yakupov ($0.925m) / Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($6.000m) / David Perron ($3.813m)
    Anton Lander ($1.000m) / Sam Gagner ($4.800m) / Philip Larsen ($1.250m)
    Matt Hendricks ($1.850m) / Boyd Gordon ($3.000m) / Daniel Winnik ($2.500m)
    Luke Gazdic ($0.699m) / Tyler Pitlick ($0.851m)

    DEFENSEMEN
    Ron Hainsey ($4.000m) / Justin Schultz ($4.500m)
    Martin Marincin ($0.730m) / Jeff Petry ($3.500m)
    Oscar Klefbom ($0.894m) / Andrew Ference ($3.250m)
    Anton Belov ($1.750m) /

    GOALTENDERS
    Ben Scrivens ($2.300m)
    Viktor Fasth ($2.900m)
    ——
    (estimations for 2014-15)
    SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,035,667; BONUSES: $3,340,000
    CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,064,333

  40. Genjutsu says:

    Everything I’ve read about Ekblad is that he is a man child like Lindros was and has been in a mans body since he was 15.

    This is the reason why he is rated so high is he is thought to be a top 4 plug and play next season.

    He is the only man in history to play D in the OHL at 15.

  41. thejonrmcleod says:

    Genjutsu,

    I know what you’re saying, but Lindros was also dominant in the NHL (until he was felled by the head injuries).

  42. PunjabiOil says:

    I usually don’t do this – I’m not an insider, but I do know a few people who work with the organization. What they’ve shared in the past has for the most part turned out to be true (and stuff I posted here before it became public).

    - Oilers wanted Murray/Reinhart – Katz wanted Yakupov.
    - Clarkson was in Edmonton meeting with the team
    - Oilers had a gilbert for neal deal lined up at the 2009 draft – not sure which party backed out
    - Oilers wanted Doug Armstrong to be GM before Tambo. He refused because he did not want to operate with the Kevin Lowe president structure.

    I’m now getting word that:
    – Oilers really like Draisaitl, and have him ranked above Ekblad
    – They like Ekblad, but don’t love him. If they’re picking 4th and he drops there, they would probably take him. They don’t view him as a franchise defencemen.

  43. Woodguy says:

    PunjabiOil,

    - Oilers wanted Murray/Reinhart – Katz wanted Yakupov.
    - Clarkson was in Edmonton meeting with the team
    - Oilers had a gilbert for neal deal lined up at the 2009 draft – not sure which party backed out
    - Oilers wanted Doug Armstrong to be GM before Tambo. He refused because he did not want to operate with the Kevin Lowe president structure.

    I heard all of those except the Gilbert-Neal thing and I’m pretty sure I know different people than you.

    Neal has been on my wishlist since I saw him dominate the Oilers in his rookie year.

    To not trade Gilbert for Neal, and then trade him Nultz made me vomit due to sadness.

    Funny thing about the Armstong thing is that Lowe couldn’t guarantee Armstrong the final say, and then he didn’t stop Tambo from burning the org to the ground with his stupidity.

    Man.

  44. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    The folks over at the Rig have asked me to write for them.

    Here’s my first piece, please give it a read when you get a chance:

    http://theoilersrig.com/2014/04/page-one/

    THAT is a great read.

  45. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “I know cheering for losses is not popular, but this might be the night to do it. If Edmonton stays in 29th, they’ll draft 1, 2 or 3. Last night for Smyth, it’s crying time again.”

    I wish they didn’t win against ANA the other day. that would leave us free to take it to the vile Nucks like last year without concern about draft position.

    Still best result tonight is FLA wins and it doesn’t matter, or we lose but Smytty gets his PP goal all the same.

  46. oliveoilers says:

    PunjabiOil:
    I usually don’t do this –I’m not an insider, but I do know a few people who work with the organization.What they’ve shared in the past has for the most part turned out to be true (and stuff I posted here before it became public).

    - Oilers wanted Murray/Reinhart – Katz wanted Yakupov.
    - Clarkson was in Edmonton meeting with the team
    - Oilers had a gilbert for neal deal lined upat the 2009 draft – not sure which party backed out
    - Oilers wanted Doug Armstrong to be GM before Tambo.He refused because he did not want to operate with the Kevin Lowe president structure.

    I’m now getting word that:– Oilers really like Draisaitl, and have him ranked above Ekblad– They like Ekblad, but don’t love him. If they’re picking 4th and he drops there, they would probably take him.They don’t view him as a franchise defencemen.

    Interesting stuff! The Gilbert/Neal thing, we have to be careful. He came from Dallas with a good coach and went to a perennial cup contender with the best player in the world and a stella supporting cast. There are a couple of oilers that also couldn’t fail to succeed there. What I’m getting at is: Is he a leader or a follower? Does he push the play (Crosby) or benefit from it (Kunitz)? Followers we have……

    And again, about Ekblad. I’m not looking for a franchise d-man. A very good steady eddy will do.

  47. "Steve Smith" says:

    There is a zero per cent chance of my cheering for the Oilers to lose against the Canucks. Ever. If the fate of the world literally depended on it, I might feel somewhat ambivalent, but once the game got underway I’d still cheer for the Oilers.

  48. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: THAT is a great read.

    thanks, LT. means a lot.

  49. PerryK says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    There is a zero per cent chance of my cheering for the Oilers to lose against the Canucks.Ever.If the fate of the world literally depended on it, I might feel somewhat ambivalent, but once the game got underway I’d still cheer for the Oilers.

    What he said!

  50. Lowetide says:

    PunjabiOil:
    I usually don’t do this –I’m not an insider, but I do know a few people who work with the organization.What they’ve shared in the past has for the most part turned out to be true (and stuff I posted here before it became public).

    - Oilers wanted Murray/Reinhart – Katz wanted Yakupov.
    - Clarkson was in Edmonton meeting with the team
    - Oilers had a gilbert for neal deal lined upat the 2009 draft – not sure which party backed out
    - Oilers wanted Doug Armstrong to be GM before Tambo.He refused because he did not want to operate with the Kevin Lowe president structure.

    I’m now getting word that:– Oilers really like Draisaitl, and have him ranked above Ekblad– They like Ekblad, but don’t love him. If they’re picking 4th and he drops there, they would probably take him.They don’t view him as a franchise defencemen.

    Seems plausible. I asked Pronman yesterday if he would be surprised if EDM won the lottery and took Draisaitl number one, and the answer was no.

  51. Lowetide says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    There is a zero per cent chance of my cheering for the Oilers to lose against the Canucks.Ever.If the fate of the world literally depended on it, I might feel somewhat ambivalent, but once the game got underway I’d still cheer for the Oilers.

    Fucking lawyers.

  52. fifthcartel says:

    I have to admit that I’m cheering for a Florida loss and an Oilers win.

    My hope is Buffalo/Florida wins the lottery and the Oilers stay 3rd and pick either Draisaitl or Bennett. I realize this could push Edmonton back to 4th, but I think this isn’t the draft to pick a defensemen and even if they’re forced to draft Bennett that’s a win.

    Edmonton doesn’t have too many notable forward prospects, especially at center, and I’m betting that would help them win sooner than waiting for an 18 year old defense to adapt.

  53. icecastles says:

    “Steve Smith”: There is a zero per cent chance of my cheering for the Oilers to lose against the Canucks. Ever. If the fate of the world literally depended on it, I might feel somewhat ambivalent, but once the game got underway I’d still cheer for the Oilers.

    This, forever. If you can cheer for the Oilers to lose to the Flames or Canucks, just burn your jersey now. you’re already committing treason anyway. :D

    fifthcartel: My hope is Buffalo/Florida wins the lottery and the Oilers stay 3rd and pick either Draisaitl or Bennett. I realize this could push Edmonton back to 4th, but I think this isn’t the draft to pick a defensemen and even if they’re forced to draft Bennett that’s a win.

    Good point. Plus the fact that the lottery is starting to be a goddamn enabler for this franchise. Stop encouraging them, lottery!

  54. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ben: What on earth is happening in St. Louis?

    I’ve seen that question pop up a bit lately.

    If you look through ES’s handy charts on their team page, the PDO one stands out.

    http://www.extraskater.com/team/st-louis-blues/2013

    they are actually on a bit of an upswing in terms of shot metrics over the past number of games. but it sure looks like the Miller add isn’t working out yet. Goalies… voodoo… you just can’t predict when they are going to flounder.

    he’s at a .905 sv% through 18 games with the Blues.

    that’s not all of the story, but it’s playing a bit part. I’d expect they are still a true talent contender and wouldn’t write them off.

  55. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: Based on what I’ve read and been told, I’m not convinced Ekblad is going to be a “franchise” defenseman like Denis Potvin. If he’s Alex Pietrangelo, I don’t think the Oilers can afford to pass on him, but am fairly certain we won’t consider him to be the BPA a decade from now.

    I completely agree with this.

    I don’t have anything against Ekblad. He’s a fantastic prospect. I just don’t see the value in D that high, esp. if they are showing as not quite Seth Jones good.

    On the BPA a decade from now… I suspect a draft like this one where the top 4 don’t really have anyone clear of the others, we may end up seeing a later pick win the day… Nylander or Ehlers… a guy ignored for size or whathaveyou.

  56. PunjabiOil says:

    My concern about Draisail is his skating. I’ve never seen him play, but the scouts must have full confidence the other parts of his game will make up for his subpar skating.

    You can only improve that area of the game to a certain extent.

    It’s why Sam Gagner will never be anything more than an ineffective 2nd line center.

  57. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Colieo87:
    Please use Windows computer only apple devices dunno but I does work on Apple TV 2 and andriod tablets and phones.Not sure a out I pads or iPhone!

    Anyone who want to watch free TV or sports check this out.
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    If need help just ask.

    can someone explain what this is all about… I’m interested but cautious.

  58. 719 says:

    Ben,

    That trade makes alot of sense.

    Another one might be Samwise and Arco for Bickell and Shaw (with the Oilers eating some of Gagner’s salary)

  59. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    PunjabiOil:
    My concern about Draisail is his skating. I’ve never seen him play, but the scouts must have full confidence the other parts of his game will make up for his subpar skating.

    You can only improve that area of the game to a certain extent.

    It’s why Sam Gagner will never be anything more than an ineffective 2nd line center.

    I don’t think that is a fair assessment.

    The two centers Draisaitl is most commonly compared to (Kopitar and Thornton) don’t bless speed. Bergeron isn’t very speedy either. Lots of great Cs aren’t very fast. Hell, RNH isn’t that fast.

    It’s not lack of speed that sinks Gagner. It’s his lack of defensive acumen.

    Draisaitl’s speed is, however, certainly a thing to be concerned about. Speed always helps. I suspect a half-step faster and Lander would be clear of the “suspect” title.

  60. fifthcartel says:

    Also, Vancouver may be doing Edmonton a favour starting Markstrom who has a .874 save percentage this year.

  61. frjohnk says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    The folks over at the Rig have asked me to write for them.

    Here’s my first piece, please give it a read when you get a chance:

    http://theoilersrig.com/2014/04/page-one/

    I very thoughtful and well written post. Keep it up. My hockey knowledge has expanded immensely because of you, lowetide, woodguy and many others here. Thanks.

  62. geowal says:

    Going to the game tonight, bought the tickets back in September when they first went on sale. Wanted a post-olympic Saturday and ended up with this one. Once the season started and they played some games, was almost immediately bitter that the oil had suckered me into that by releasing the whole season’s tickets when the pre-season hype was still fresh. Was soon clear this would not be a potential playoff qualifying match-up, as was at least hoped, and wished we had went with something earlier in the season.

    Now with this being Smyth’s last game, and the chance to potentially watch some more unraveling by the Canucks, I couldn’t have picked a better game. Here’s to a great send off for Smytty. I have a blank, oil-crested jersey I’ll be wearing, will be sending that out to get the 94 put on as nothing can tarnish that name for me now. Been a little cautious, my last one was Souray…

  63. oliveoilers says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    There is a zero per cent chance of my cheering for the Oilers to lose against the Canucks.Ever.If the fate of the world literally depended on it, I might feel somewhat ambivalent, but once the game got underway I’d still cheer for the Oilers.

    And with that, you have won today’s internet. Now put your feet up, enjoy the rest of your day with the smug knowledge that you have already made today’s best post.

    *slow Wiserhood clap*

  64. icecastles says:

    PunjabiOil: It’s why Sam Gagner will never be anything more than an ineffective 2nd line center.

    Yeah. Sam’s skating speed is his biggest problem.

    Especially in the D-zone when he skates at 0km/h. Or at 20km/h in the wrong direction.

  65. Backhand says:

    Any love for Dal Colle around here? I haven’t read much about him but I find him an interesting prospect. His team has gone 8-0 through two rounds of the playoffs. They appear deep, but he is the leading playoff and reg season scorer. He is at 2ppg during the playoffs. Has some size, is listed at C in some places but LW in others.

  66. PunjabiOil says:

    There is a zero per cent chance of my cheering for the Oilers to lose against the Canucks. Ever. If the fate of the world literally depended on it, I might feel somewhat ambivalent, but once the game got underway I’d still cheer for the Oilers.

    This is why Billy Beane doesn’t watch games. Human emotion gets in the way.

    -Picking higher, than lower, is always better. It’s your scouts job to make sure they appropriately rank the prospects
    - If you pick 2nd OV, you can always move down to say 3rd and 4th if there is enough value being offered to trade down (i.e. 2nd round pick + prospect/player)
    -The Vancouver Canucks are in our division, and currently projected to pick 6th. They’re a team much better than their record. Looking at it objectively, it’s better they drop to 8th or so by winning a few games.
    -The game is meaningless. Will have no impact for next year. See last year’s 7-2 pummeling of the Canucks in game 82. The sort of utility you see from wins like that is short-lived.

  67. Rondo says:

    I wonder if they picked Ryan Murray over Yakupov would they have picked Nurse last year.

  68. frjohnk says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I don’t think that is a fair assessment.

    The two centers Draisaitl is most commonly compared to (Kopitar and Thornton) don’t bless speed. Bergeron isn’t very speedy either. Lots of great Cs aren’t very fast. Hell, RNH isn’t that fast.

    It’s not lack of speed that sinks Gagner. It’s his lack of defensive acumen.

    Draisaitl’s speed is, however, certainly a thing to be concerned about. Speed always helps. I suspect a half-step faster and Lander would be clear of the “suspect” title.

    Not so much as with “speed”, he seems to have decent top end speed, the problem is first step quickness. Once he gets going, he can move decently.
    I’ve read that he is a “clunky” skater. Seen him live and yeah, that is how I would view it. I am not a scout, so how much of a detriment it really is, or if it is all, remains to be seen.

    I think the top 4 draft eligible players all have their question marks.

  69. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Backhand:
    Any love for Dal Colle around here? I haven’t read much about him but I find him an interesting prospect. His team has gone 8-0 through two rounds of the playoffs.They appear deep, but he is the leading playoff and reg season scorer.He is at 2ppg during the playoffs.Has some size, is listed at C in some places but LW in others.

    He got a lot more attn. early in the season when we were teetering but still uncertain of a complete clusterfuck of a collapse into lottery land.

    Since we’ve been squarely in top 4 land he’s gotten less, which is understandable.

    The other thing is that there are so many good Cs at the top of the draft, the wingers, even the big power wingers (Del Colle, Ritchie, Virtanen, to some extent Kapanen), are really an afterthought in Oilersland.

    Good prospect though. I think I favor Kapanen, but he’s right there.

  70. frjohnk says:

    icecastles: Yeah. Sam’s skating speed is his biggest problem.

    Especially in the D-zone when he skates at 0km/h. Or at 20km/h in the wrong direction.

    ha ha

  71. icecastles says:

    PunjabiOil: Picking higher, than lower, is always better

    If there is a clear difference between prospects. There isn’t.

    PunjabiOil: If you pick 2nd OV, you can always move down to say 3rd and 4th if there is enough value being offered to trade down

    People say this every year. And every year someone tries. It rarely ever happens. True in theory, unlikely in practice.

    PunjabiOil: The game is meaningless. Will have no impact for next year. See last year’s 7-2 pummeling of the Canucks in game 82. The sort of utility you see from wins like that is short-lived.

    If you think there is such a thing as a “meaningless” game, I would contend that there’s a very good reason why you’re not among the world’s elite in something.

    Taylor Hall (pretty sure it was Hall, but might have been one of the other ‘cluster’ guys), three days ago: “Last year at the end of the season when we beat the Canucks like that, it felt like we’d won the Stanley Cup. We could really use a good feeling like that again to go into the offseason with some hope.”

    But yes, unless you win the Stanley Cup Final, everything you do is meaningles. Who gives a fuck about pride or honour?

  72. 719 says:

    Rondo:
    I wonder if they picked Ryan Murray over Yakupov would they have picked Nurse last year.

    I also wonder if J. Schultz would have signed here over Ottawa.

  73. PunjabiOil says:

    I don’t think that is a fair assessment.

    The two centers Draisaitl is most commonly compared to (Kopitar and Thornton) don’t bless speed. Bergeron isn’t very speedy either. Lots of great Cs aren’t very fast. Hell, RNH isn’t that fast.

    It’s not lack of speed that sinks Gagner. It’s his lack of defensive acumen.

    Draisaitl’s speed is, however, certainly a thing to be concerned about. Speed always helps. I suspect a half-step faster and Lander would be clear of the “suspect” title.

    I think it’s a bit of both. Gagner’s lack of defensive acumen, lack of size, lack of speed – result him to be an ineffective NHL player. He doesn’t create much offence, is very streaky, and when he’s not, he’s not helping the team win hockey games.

    re: Draisaitl’s comparisons to Thornton/Kopitar. That may be okay for style of play – but we first have to see if he’s even an NHL players, before comparing him to one of the best centers in the league.

  74. icecastles says:

    PunjabiOil: I think it’s a bit of both. Gagner’s lack of defensive acumen, lack of size, lack of speed

    5’11″.
    202 lbs.

    Average NHL player weight: 201 lbs.

    Can we please finally abandon this “lack of size” myth? He was small when he was 18. He’s 26 now.

    He plays small, but he is not a small guy. Hasn’t been for some years.

  75. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    The folks over at the Rig have asked me to write for them.

    Here’s my first piece, please give it a read when you get a chance:

    http://theoilersrig.com/2014/04/page-one/

    Excellent work.

    I’ve been thinking of writing that piece, but you did way better than I would have.

    Very well done.

  76. geowal says:

    icecastles,

    If there’s that much “desire” to finish 29th over 28th, and one doesn’t want the guilt of rooting against the Oilers, the solution is simple: Hope that Florida beats Columbus. Problem solved. Personally I hope they pound the Canucks into oblivion.

  77. PunjabiOil says:

    If there is a clear difference between prospects. There isn’t.

    Most of us don’t watch these prospects, and rely on scouting agencies and reports to make assessments. The people watching these guys play 15+ times, and have a wealth of experience in doing so, may have a differing view that there isn’t a clear difference between the prospects.

    At the end of the day, it’s giving yourself the advantage, however little it may be.

    If you think there is such a thing as a “meaningless” game, I would contend that there’s a very good reason why you’re not among the world’s elite in something.

    Taylor Hall (pretty sure it was Hall, but might have been one of the other ‘cluster’ guys), three days ago: “Last year at the end of the season when we beat the Canucks like that, it felt like we’d won the Stanley Cup. We could really use a good feeling like that again to go into the offseason with some hope.”

    But yes, unless you win the Stanley Cup Final, everything you do is meaningles. Who gives a fuck about pride or honour?

    Lets be objective. It is meaningless. Furthermore, records from prior year don’t carry on from one year to the next. The Oilers have ended the season strong several seasons (see 2009-2010), or poorly in other years.

    At the end of the day, it will have no bearing on next season.

    A win tonight will not move the dial tomorrow.

    It just won’t.

    What will move the dial tomorrow is active and astute GM’ing by Craig MacTavish. NHL defencemen. Depth. Stuff like that.

    Re: Taylor Hall’s comments – meh, it’s a typical cliche interview.

  78. PunjabiOil says:

    Can we please finally abandon this “lack of size” myth? He was small when he was 18. He’s 26 now..

    No, we cannot.

    Being NHL size transcends just height and weight. The makeup of the human body, muscle, etc.

    By raw statistics, Sam Gagner is bigger than Matt Duchene and Sidney Crosby. Both of them have significantly higher lower body strength and balance.

  79. icecastles says:

    PunjabiOil: By raw statistics, Sam Gagner is bigger than Matt Duchene and Sidney Crosby. Both of them have significantly higher lower body strength and balance.

    That’s moving the goal posts, not to mention subjective given we don’t have data other than the circumstantial evidence of watchign them play. You said his lack of size is an issue. Your exact words. If his balance or strength are the issue, say that. Don’t say it’s his size and then say that by “size” you actually meant “lower body strength and balance.”

  80. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I’ve seen that question pop up a bit lately.

    If you look through ES’s handy charts on their team page, the PDO one stands out.

    http://www.extraskater.com/team/st-louis-blues/2013

    they are actually on a bit of an upswing in terms of shot metrics over the past number of games. but it sure looks like the Miller add isn’t working out yet. Goalies… voodoo… you just can’t predict when they are going to flounder.

    he’s at a .905 sv% through 18 games with the Blues.

    that’s not all of the story, but it’s playing a bit part. I’d expect they are still a true talent contender and wouldn’t write them off.

    I was reading a bit about WAS and their problems lately.

    When Boudreau was fired it after a particularly horrid losing streak.

    They routinely outshot the other team but had .878 goaltending.

    Ever since they got rid of him their shot metrics have plummeted and they keep doing the wrong thing, and hiring the wrong coaches.

    Check this out: https://twitter.com/JapersRink/status/453984354679521280/photo/1

    Also,

    Halak SV% and Miller SV% with STL are almost identical. Halak a point or two higher.

    Also,

    Don’t read too much into late season swoons.

    Don’t have the link, but have read often that regular season success as a whole is a much better predictor of playoff success than the last 20 games.

  81. G Money says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Nicely done. Very erudite and poetic to boot!

  82. oliveoilers says:

    PunjabiOil:
    There is a zero per cent chance of my cheering for the Oilers to lose against the Canucks. Ever. If the fate of the world literally depended on it, I might feel somewhat ambivalent, but once the game got underway I’d still cheer for the Oilers.

    This is why Billy Beane doesn’t watch games.Human emotion gets in the way.

    -Picking higher, than lower, is always better.It’s your scouts job to make sure they appropriately rank the prospects
    - If you pick 2nd OV, you can always move down to say 3rd and 4th if there is enough value being offered to trade down (i.e. 2nd round pick + prospect/player)
    -The Vancouver Canucks are in our division, and currently projected to pick 6th.They’re a team much better than their record.Looking at it objectively, it’s better they drop to 8th or so by winning a few games.
    -The game is meaningless.Will have no impact for next year.See last year’s 7-2 pummeling of the Canucks in game 82.The sort of utility you see from wins like that is short-lived.

    I’m confused. Point one and point three. “-Picking higher, than lower, is always better” and “it’s better they drop to 8th or so by winning a few games.” Which is it? Objectively, of course.

  83. PunjabiOil says:

    It isn’t exactly circumstantial evidence:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/413214-sidney-crosby-vs-mario-lemieux-comparing-pittsburghs-saviors

    Scouts couldn’t get enough of Crosby’s lower body strength that allowed for strong first and second strides and impeccable power in maintaining puck possession.

    Matt Duchene

    http://www.denverpost.com/ci_22808244/colorado-avalanche-star-matt-duchene-more-energized-this

    He’s an explosive skater, and he can just blow by people, which not a lot of people can,” said Stan Butler, Director of Hockey Operations and head coach of the Battalion. “I think his lower body strength…he has a similar build from the waist down to someone like Sidney Crosby.

    _______________

    ^
    Was what I was referring to size (used interchangeably with strength) – not size as a physical phenoma.

    I maintain that Sam Gagner is an undersized NHL center. Is he a guy that win a battle infront of the net against a ”smaller” Mike Richards?

    No.

  84. icecastles says:

    PunjabiOil: Most of us don’t watch these prospects, and rely on scouting agencies and reports to make assessments. The people watching these guys play 15+ times, and have a wealth of experience in doing so, may have a differing view that there isn’t a clear difference between the prospects.

    Scouting reports have not been consistent or unanimous this year. Numerous verbals from scouts have been that there is not a clear standout #1, or even a clear top two.

    PunjabiOil: At the end of the day, it’s giving yourself the advantage, however little it may be.

    Real, or perceived? Ii think it’s hard to defend this being an actual real advantage this year. There just isn’t enough seperation between the top prospects.

    PunjabiOil: A win tonight will not move the dial tomorrow.

    You know what a win tonight means? it means they won that game. That’s all. Personally, I like my team to win hockey games.

    Though if I were convinced of the impossibility of that and had given over to defeatism, I supposed I too would give myself over to cheering for an abstract future than WINNING THE GODDAMN GAME. It’s the Canucks, for Gord’s sakes. If you can’t get up for the Oilers to lay a beating on those worthless bastards, how can you bring yourself to watch the games? Skip them all together and just go to Redline Report.

    PunjabiOil: Re: Taylor Hall’s comments – meh, it’s a typical cliche interview.

    Yeah that Taylor Hall. Always with the cliches, Him. Except, you know, when he talks. Going as far as saying “it was like winning the Stanley Cup for us” is the opposite of a cliche – that’s a ballsy thing to say that is more likely to get him lambasted (as it did on Twitter) than praised.

  85. G Money says:

    *** OFFTOPIC BUT IMPORTANT ***

    I’m sure most of you have been hearing about the Heartbleed bug, and hopefully have taken steps to protect/change your password for sites affected (including gmail, Facebook, Dropbox, and many other internet heavy hitters).

    If you don’t know what Heartbleed is, haven’t taken steps, or don’t know if you might be affected, I recommend you read this:

    http://mashable.com/2014/04/09/heartbleed-bug-websites-affected/

    The reason I’m posting here is that one of the sites that *was* affected was WordPress, which is the hosting site for Lowetide.

    The summary on WordPress is that they say they’ve fixed the bug (maybe) and they don’t think anyone has been affected (maybe). The reply makes me a bit nervous. WordPress tweeted that it has taken “immediate steps” and “addressed the Heartbleed OpenSSL exploit,” but it’s unclear if the issue is completely solder[sic - should be 'solved' I think]. When someone asked Matt Mullenweg, WordPress’ founding developer, when the site’s SSL certificates will be replaced and when users will be able to reset passwords, he simply answered: “soon.”

    If you don’t use your WordPress/Lowetide password on any other sites, then you probably don’t have much to worry about, as I doubt there’s much confidential information hackers would care to steal.

    On the other hand, if your WP/LT password is the same one you use for your email and your internet banking – I suggest you stop what you’re doing right now and go change every one of those passwords to something different (and preferably unique and hard to crack).

  86. icecastles says:

    PunjabiOil: It isn’t exactly circumstantial evidence:
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/413214-sidney-crosby-vs-mario-lemieux-comparing-pittsburghs-saviors
    Scouts couldn’t get enough of Crosby’s lower body strength that allowed for strong first and second strides and impeccable power in maintaining puck possession.
    Matt Duchene
    http://www.denverpost.com/ci_22808244/colorado-avalanche-star-matt-duchene-more-energized-this
    He’s an explosive skater….

    Read them twice but I’m clearly missing the part where they compare either guy to Sam Gagner. Since that’s what you’re doing and this is the evidence you’re holding up, then surely its in there somewhere.

    PunjabiOil: I maintain that Sam Gagner is an undersized NHL center.

    Maintain whatever you like. Size has an agreed-upon definition though, and I can’t find any that define “size” as “lower body strength” or “balance.”

    You changed your definition to suit your argument, then provided evidence that didn’t even mention Sam Gagner let alone compare him to the guys to whom you were comparing him. You were wrong. Your examples made you more wrong, not less.

    Edit: The articles you provided for evidence also made no mention of those guys being successful for their “size.” The word literally does not even appear in either article, in any context whatsoever. Find me ONE legitimate reputable source who defines size the way you do and I’ll acknowledge that I am wrong here.

  87. G Money says:

    icecastles: Maintain whatever you like. Size has an agreed-upon definition though, and I can’t find any that define “size” as “lower body strength” or “balance.”

    I’m not sure if I’m agreeing or disagreeing with either or both of you, but I expect it’s not unfair to say that Sammy is a little short for a hockey player but not particularly small, but he ‘plays small’.

  88. icecastles says:

    G Money: I’m not sure if I’m agreeing or disagreeing with either or both of you, but I expect it’s not unfair to say that Sammy is a little short for a hockey player but not particularly small, but he ‘plays small’.

    That’s almost exactly what I said. It’s not that he’s small, it’s that he plays small.

    I suggested a few days ago that this may be in part to him coming up to the NHL so early and playing big minutes when he still was very slight. The habits and playing style that became ingrained/habitual for him are those of a small guy. A strong argument against rushing players to the NHL when they are still physically maturing. Doesn’t happen with everyone, but possible that it happened with him. Pure speculation, but I wonder about it.

  89. PunjabiOil says:

    Scouting reports have not been consistent or unanimous this year. Numerous verbals from scouts have been that there is not a clear standout #1, or even a clear top two.

    In the top two, yes. But I suspect a guy like Draisaitl is closer to the 4th position than the 1st across the board. So yes, there is a tangible advantage drafting 2nd over 4th and a separation amongst scouting agencies.

    Real, or perceived? Ii think it’s hard to defend this being an actual real advantage this year. There just isn’t enough seperation between the top prospects.

    See above.

    You know what a win tonight means? it means they won that game. That’s all. Personally, I like my team to win hockey games.

    I’d like to see my team win hockey games for a longer period of time, and do it consistently.

    If they don’t win two meaningless games last season against Minnesota and Vancouver last year in games 81 and 82, the Oilers would have Seth Jones or Drouin instead of Nurse.

    Fat good those two wins did last season.

    Though if I were convinced of the impossibility of that and had given over to defeatism, I supposed I too would give myself over to cheering for an abstract future than WINNING THE GODDAMN GAME. It’s the Canucks, for Gord’s sakes. If you can’t get up for the Oilers to lay a beating on those worthless bastards, how can you bring yourself to watch the games? Skip them all together and just go to Redline Report.

    I’d like to see the Oilers beat the Canucks consistently and in games when it matters. They have owned the Oilers for the past 12 years – a win today will not change things.

    A higher draft position for the Oilers (and lower draft position for the Canucks) has the potential to do so.

    This is chess, not checkers.

    Yeah that Taylor Hall. Always with the cliches, Him. Except, you know, when he talks. Going as far as saying “it was like winning the Stanley Cup for us” is the opposite of a cliche – that’s a ballsy thing to say that is more likely to get him lambasted (as it did on Twitter) than praised.

    This is the same Taylor Hall who was honest in saying that it’s tough to play games knowing you’re out of the playoffs in December. If you honestly believe he thinks a game 82 win will feel ”like winning the Stanley Cup” you are naive.

  90. icecastles says:

    PunjabiOil: If they don’t win two meaningless games last season against Minnesota and Vancouver last year in games 81 and 82, the Oilers would have Seth Jones or Drouin instead of Nurse.

    If you prefer Jones or Drouin to Nurse, you obviously have not factored in which name will give Principe better props to work with. Where’s your head, man? :D

    PunjabiOil: This is the same Taylor Hall who was honest in saying that it’s tough to play games knowing you’re out of the playoffs in December. If you honestly believe he thinks a game 82 win will feel ”like winning the Stanley Cup” you are naive.

    First of all, there’s no need to attack the person or call names. Unless it’s OliveOilers. Because he’s French.

    Secondly, I think he believes what he said – it was clear that he was engaging in some hyperbole but I think he meant it that it was important for them. However, I would absolutely agree that he was naive in saying it; and it’s a little sad that so much losing has left them feeling that elated over something as minor as that game.

  91. Derek says:

    Another vote here for a win vs the Canucks. If the Oilers draft third or fourth theres a greater chance of them leaving Ekblad and/or Draisaitl in favour of Bennett who I fully endorse as the Oilers pick. Also, fuck the Canucks, always. Forever.

    Romulus Apotheosis: can someone explain what this is all about… I’m interested but cautious.

    Its a uhh.. thing? It’s kind of an OS, but not really? Hard to explain. You got any buddies with a cracked apple tv? This is what these babies run, you add applications like Sports Devil or 1 Channel to XBMC and you basically have every TV show and movie at your finger tips. Terrible for live sports though, you basically gotta have GameCenter or Hockeystreams (if it works for you) if you want to watch hockey.

    I bought a Google box with XBMC installed so I’ve never done an XBMC install myself but it seems simple enough. Its terrible for live sports though.

  92. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    The folks over at the Rig have asked me to write for them.

    Here’s my first piece, please give it a read when you get a chance:

    http://theoilersrig.com/2014/04/page-one/

    Very good work. Of course, you begin with Athenian history, so…*swoon*.

    On your point of the democritization of hockey information and specifically your mention of fan-driven analytics culture since 07-08, I had argued around 2009 that the Oilers had a significant resource sitting right under their noses in the number of local fans who were doing good work on collecting and analyzing game data.

    Given the fan connection to a team like the Oilers, I had said that it would be a great asset to a team like them, habitually underfunded and often at a competitive disadvantage, to incorporate those doing the data mining into the Oilers collective at minimal cost and use it to make better, more efficient personnel decisions.

    I’d still like to see a little more cooperation between the organization and those fans who take a sincere and objective look at the game, rather than waste time on those who chant “Fire Lowe” from the rafters without thinking.

    Again, great article. Can you find a way to work Alcibiades into a hockey reference? Aristides? :)

  93. icecastles says:

    Derek: You got any buddies with a cracked apple tv? This is what these babies run, you add applications like Sports Devil or 1 Channel to XBMC and you basically have every TV show and movie at your finger tips. Terrible for live sports though, you basically gotta have GameCenter or Hockeystreams (if it works for you) if you want to watch hockey.

    I noticed you can get GameCentre on AppleTV now… I’m tempted. But does GameCentre still have the regional blackouts? It seemed like such great alternative to getting cable, but if I can’t watch Oilers games from within Alberta, it’s pretty much pointless. I know the TV rights holders have priority in basically every case, but that’s got to kill a lot of GameCentre’s potential market.

    Wish Sportsnet/TSN would stream the games on their site as CBC does. The ads still run, and online you can run even more regionally targeted ads as well as surrounding the game feed with additional advertising form either regional or primary sponsors. Surely this isn’t a hit on their potential bottom line. Holdover of old school thinking, perhaps?

  94. rickithebear says:

    I just posted this in the last thread!

    It says it all!

    PP goals:
    Perron 8 27th
    Hall 7 41st
    Eberle 6 57th
    RNH 6 57th
    Smyth 5 79th
    Yak 4 104th

    Even Goals:
    Hall 20 24th
    eberle 20 24th
    Perron 19 34th
    RNH 12 137th
    Gagner 9 187th
    Yak 7 239th
    Gordon 6 260th
    Smyth 5 287th
    Hendricks 4
    Arco 3
    jones, Jeonsuu, gazdic 2

    J. schultz 10
    Petry 5
    Feremnce 5

    Lets look at EVG from fwd 1-3 – 4-6 – 7-9 – EVG total – top 6fwdPPG – Overall G
    EDM 59 – 28 – 15 = 102 – 35 PPG = 138
    CHI 66 – 49 – 32 = 147 + 37 = 184
    SJS 63 – 42 – 29 = 134 – 37 = 171
    STL 59 – 42 – 30 = 131 – 36 = 167
    ANA 79 – 41 – 26 = 146 – 33 = 179
    COL 61 – 48 – 27 = 136 – 36 = 172
    PHI 53 – 38 – 31 = 122 – 50 = 172
    WPG 55 – 43 – 26 = 124 – 25 = 149
    BOS 68 – 48 – 27 = 143 – 27 = 170
    PIT 63 – 37 – 17 = 117 – 49 = 166
    CGY 54 – 31 – 22 = 107 – 21 = 128

    there is a reason we are bottom of the league.

    part of it was getting D and Goal.
    Marincin; Klefbom; Scrivens are making a GA difference.

    RNH; Gagner; Yak are 18 EVG short.

    Gordon; hendricks ZS says 4th numbers.
    They are above average for cmp and ZS

    3rd’s made up of jeonsuu; jones; gazdic are 20 EVG short.

    there is no argument to this!

    Smyth’s goals will need to be replaced!

    we need to replace point producers with EVG producers.

  95. Derek says:

    icecastles: That’s almost exactly what I said. It’s not that he’s small, it’s that he plays small.

    I suggested a few days ago that this may be in part to him coming up to the NHL so early and playing big minutes when he still was very slight. The habits and playing style that became ingrained/habitual for him are those of a small guy. A strong argument against rushing players to the NHL when they are still physically maturing. Doesn’t happen with everyone, but possible that it happened with him. Pure speculation, but I wonder about it.

    Sam Gagner is a strange beast. At 5’11 205 he should be incredibly strong, he’s got hockey bloodlines and he showed extremely well offensively as a Junior.

    He just doesn’t *Look* like an NHL hockey player when he doesn’t have the puck, he’s so awkward on the ice. He seems like a relatively intelligent guy in player interviews but it seems like he can’t think the game at NHL speeds, defensively anyways.

    Its so frustrating, I really wanted Voracek at 6, but Gagner won me over… then just, never really learned how to play without the puck.

  96. Derek says:

    icecastles: I noticed you can get GameCentre on AppleTV now… I’m tempted. But does GameCentre still have the regional blackouts? It seemed like suchgreat alternative to getting cable, but if I can’t watch Oilers games from within Alberta, it’s pretty much pointless. I know the TV rights holders have priority in basically every case, but that’s got to kill a lot of GameCentre’s potential market.

    Wish Sportsnet/TSN would stream the games on their site as CBC does. The ads still run, and online you can run even more regionally targeted ads as well as surrounding the game feed with additional advertising form either regional or primary sponsors. Surely this isn’t a hit on their potential bottom line. Holdover of old school thinking, perhaps?

    I bought a year long hockeystreams subscription because when I bought it for a month it worked flawlessly and I didn’t realize it was going to completely go to shit the second I signed on long term. I don’t really know much about Game Center other than its really the only other option if you want to cut the cable tv cord.

  97. "Steve Smith" says:

    PunjabiOil: -The game is meaningless.Will have no impact for next year.See last year’s 7-2 pummeling of the Canucks in game 82.The sort of utility you see from wins like that is short-lived.

    All games are meaningless, except insofar as we, as fans, arbitrarily decide that they are not. I have decided that games against teams as contemptible as the Vancouver Canucks are inherently meaningful.

  98. Lowetide says:

    “Steve Smith”: All games are meaningless, except insofar as we, as fans, arbitrarily decide that they are not.I have decided that games against teams as contemptible as the Vancouver Canucks are inherently meaningful.

    1. Agree completely
    2. Patrick Kane says hi.

  99. eidy says:

    I hope Florida wins so we can blast the dys without affecting our draft position. I am hoping for a centre. Draissaitl, Bennett then Reinhardt is my preference, but I doubt they ask me

  100. Colieo87 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    It’s a media streaming program to watch hockey and game of thrones since I don’t have to pay for cable.

  101. oliveoilers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Hi, Rom. I enjoyed your article immensely. Hockey for the people! And then, like now, only 20% of the population get it…….

  102. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    frjohnk: I very thoughtful and well written post.Keep it up.My hockey knowledge has expanded immensely because of you, lowetide, woodguy and many others here.Thanks.

    thank you! appreciate it.

    frjohnk: Not so much as with “speed”, he seems to have decent top end speed, the problem is first step quickness.Once he gets going, he can move decently.I’ve read that he is a “clunky” skater.Seen him live and yeah, that is how I would view it.I am not a scout, so how much of a detriment it really is, or if it is all, remains to be seen.

    I think the top 4 draft eligible players all have their question marks.

    I hear what you are saying and appreciate the nuance on D’s skating issues. definitely a question mark.

    I was just hoping to clarify the Gagner comparison.

    Like anything, speed is something that can be overcome, with training and/or making up for it in other ways.

  103. godot10 says:

    Woodguy:
    Boyd Gordon—David Moss—Daniel Winnik
    What I’m basically doing here is trying to find a 2002 Marchant line on a budget, and you have to give up offense if you’re going to stay under $7.5M for three veterans.

    What I’d like to see the Oilers do is what Chicago did.

    They took their face puncher (Bollig) and put him on a Dzone draw line.

    Right now the Oilers have a similar line in Gordon (his wings fluctuated enough that they don’t show up with him on the left side of the Vollman chart)

    Put this out there:

    Hendricks-Gordon-Gazdic

    Give them all the Dzone they can handle and don’t expect much scoring.

    You say “that’s far too much $$$ for a 4th line”

    That is true, however you can populate your 3rd line with kids/cheaper vets.

    Something like:

    Lander-Arco-Pitlick

    Can be your 3rd line (if you *must* label the lines with numbers)

    The Oilers need a line where they can battle test kids and young men who desperately want to move up the depth chart.

    Saddling these players on a 4th with Gazdic is unfair to them and the team and drives down results when you don’t have to.

    This will help for in-roster competition and help keep the players on the top 2 lines hungry.

    In order to do this you *MUST* get a 2C with a defensive clue.Bailey/Dubinsky/etc.

    The 2nd line won’t be fed the butter softs and needs to hold their own against actual NHL players.

    So you have:

    Hall-RNH-Eberle – Power v Power line

    Yak-Dubinsky/Bailey-Perron – Secondary scoring, doesn’t get killed against real NHLers

    Lander-Arco-Pitlick – Fed offensive zone starts and butter soft comp and is expected to out score that compeition – Arco and Lander have a clue without the puck as well which helps

    Hendrick-Gordon-Gazdick – Fed 15% OZS.Put out there for every Dzone draw when they aren’t sucking wind.Not expected to score, but to get the puck going the other way.

    I’d love to not slot Gazdic in anywhere on the team, but the Oilers want that player, CHI has that player, SJS has that player, that player will be here.

    I also penciled in players we know.

    Feel free to upgrade at any position.

    I pretty much agree with everything here, except ADD KULEMIN. Bailey (or equivalent) for Gagner, and Kulemin. Kulemin is the new Winnik. The original Winnik is too old.

    Bailey and Lander and Arcobello can all play centre or wing, which is what we wanted. And Kulemin actually played a handful of games at centre for the Leafs when all the centre were injured, and did okay.

    Because Hall-Nugent-Hopkins-Eberle are capped at $18 million for the long term, they can afford to make Kulemin the best offer.

    Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle
    Kulemin, Bailey, Yakupov
    Hendricks, Gordon, Perron
    Lander, Arcobello, Pitlick, Gazdic, Joensuu

  104. Colieo87 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: can someone explain what this is all about… I’m interested but cautious.

    It’s a media streaming program everything you name it
    . Why pay for cable eh.?

  105. icecastles says:

    Colieo87: It’s a media streaming program everything you name it
    . Why pay for cable eh.?

    Chanfeed has been my mainstay for games this year. Stuck with the US feed a lot of games, and sometimes with fairly low res, but having never had cable, it’s not a bad alternative and it’s free. Between Chanfeed, Netflix, Apple TV and torrents, I can’t imagine paying loads for a limited selection of shows where I have no control over what’s on when.

    I choose what I watch, when I watch it, and I don’t have to sit through a single commercial or remember to Tivo things. In 5-10 years. I honestly can’t picture cable being any more viable an industry than video rental outlets are today.

  106. godot10 says:

    gr8one:

    I’ve heard whispers that Toronto might already be thinking compliancy buyout on him, and if that’s the case, than perhaps we might have the inside track on him re-signing here on the cheap since we were supposedly his second option when he signed in T.O..

    Clarkson’ s contract isn’t eligibie for a compliance buyout, only a regular buyout, and because it is so loaded with signing bonuses vs actual salary, the Leafs get minimal scap relief from a regular buyout. Clarkson’s agent schooled Nonis.

    The OIlers have Clarkson in Hendricks. The contract is too long, but it is not deadly like Clarkson’s. Clarkson is not a very good hockey player. He is system dependent. He has limited skills and speed, and is good at only two things, garbage collecting and fighting middleweights. Fighting is disappearing from the game, and a pure garbage collector without skills is a pretty useless hockey player.

    New Jersey is one of the best cycle teams in hockey. There was a lot of garbage for Clarkson to collect. He got extremely lucky one year, but he is a pretty useless hockey player. I think Hendricks is actually a better player and can do more things.

    The right answer is NOT Clarkson. It is Kulemin.

  107. Colieo87 says:

    icecastles,

    Thanks for the nimble advice I totally agree 100 percent that cable will be obsolete eventually just people like my parents and grandparents use it cause they don’t understand that a computer can do it all for free. Simplicity is what keeps the paying a month for cable which is a complete rip off. Your right we pay for advertising and that’s it. I just wish I could cut down my cell phone bill and intenet bill. Bell (phone) Rogers (Internet) is brutal now a days. 200 between them with taxes included. What a rip off we canadain pay.

  108. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    thanks to everyone else who enjoyed the article. I don’t want to hijack the thread, so I’ll just say I completely agree with Rex… the Oilers should be utilizing the free resources available to them.

    I think to an extent they are… there’ve been some tell this year that they read Dellow (I’m thinking particularly of the DD article early in the year). And Parkatti won their hackathon and I believe Bruce is a member of some kind of consultation cabal.

    Derek: Its a uhh.. thing? It’s kind of an OS, but not really? Hard to explain. You got any buddies with a cracked apple tv? This is what these babies run, you add applications like Sports Devil or 1 Channel to XBMC and you basically have every TV show and movie at your finger tips. Terrible for live sports though, you basically gotta have GameCenter or Hockeystreams (if it works for you) if you want to watch hockey.
    I bought a Google box with XBMC installed so I’ve never done an XBMC install myself but it seems simple enough. Its terrible for live sports though.

    Ok… thanks. I’d only use it for sports and if the steams are no better than the other available ones I’ll skip it.

    Thanks to Colie for the tip though.

    I don’t have cable either. I use over-the-air and whatever streams I can find.

  109. godot10 says:

    PerryK:
    Woodguy

    We don’t need a top pairing; that will happen organically. But one right shot top D would be absolutely fabulous.Hello John Carlson (Washington has cap issues), or maybe the other guy from Sicamous; Cody Franson (because the Leafs haven’t gifted us anything since the Gator, and because “the Leafs”).

    The Oilers already have two Cody Franson’s. Phil Larsen and Taylor Fedun.

    And I the Oiler’s versions better than Franson.

  110. rickithebear says:

    Yak returning to a 18 EVG/75gm season pace +11 for 4-6 fwd.

    Gagner returning to his 14 EVG//75GM season playing 3rd would be +12 for 3rds.

    Replacing Smyth’s PPG. and improving EVG
    Penner was a 20 EVG /season player with Gagner at centre
    Gagner was 12 EVG/season.
    Kulemin not crushed by ZS is a 15 EVG fwd +12 for 3rd line

    Penner-Gagner-Kulemin

  111. tsg says:

    BrazilianOil,

    The key is the first line I believe. You play them their 20 minutes a game offensive/neutral/defensive zone, doesn’t matter. They can handle it, power vs. power. You would then have the Gordon/Gadzik line as described by woodguy taking the leftover d-zone draws, and only sheltering the 2nd/3rd lines to one extent or another.

  112. cabbiesmacker says:

    godot10:
    Kulemin, Bailey, Yakupov
    Hendricks, Gordon, Perron

    That’s a second line that gets eaten alive for one, and why do you hate David Perron so much? He brings more to the table than any of the three shown on that second line.

    Kulemin for what is likely $ 3.5M per? Major pass. Man some Oiler fans teed off on Hemsky for what they saw as lack of interest. I’d love to hear what they say about Kulemin.

  113. whiskeytangoeberle says:

    It was some random time ago, about three years, that I spread my father’s ashes in a forest. Some woman accused me of disturbing an owl nest. I could look neither her nor her labrador retriever in the eye, I knew true shame that day.

    Hey do you guys like riding bikes?

  114. godot10 says:

    The 29th place team has the highest probably of any team in the draft to drop one position.

    So there is essentially no reason to not cheer for the Oilers. If they finish 29th, they most probably pick 3rd. If they finish 28th they most probably pick 3rd.

    i.e. A lot less is at stake draft-wise than at first appears. A lot less than a full standings position.

  115. theres oil in virginia says:

    G Money,

    If someone is using the same password for a site like this (where no critical info is exchanged securely) and for a site where credit card info or bank account info, etc is exchanged, they should stop that immediately. That’s a really good way to propagate identity theft.

    From chatting with out IT guy at work, it sounds to me like the reason that folks can’t say whether they are compromised is thus: The bug is essentially that there is a way to trick the server into thinking it has just put 64 kB (I think) onto the memory stack, when in fact it has only put 1 kB on the stack. Then as part of the normal negotiation for a secure connection the server sends back that block of memory to the client. The problem is that it sends back 64 kB rather than 1 kB, which means it just sent other things that were stored in memory. Worse is that it is the section of memory where things like private certificate and user/password info is stored (security info). Worse still is that the transfer is not logged in any way, because the exchange occurs during “pre-negotiation”, which is before any SSL logging gets started. So the server may have sent critical server info out on a regular basis and there is no way to know if it did. The flip side is that the bug was detected by a “good guy” and it is unknown whether any hacker has been using this vulnerability for attack. There have been several large security breaches lately, but usually they are the result of some numbskull taking home a laptop with secure info on it and having it stolen, or some other stupidity.

    The only other relevant part that I know is this: If security certificates are compromised, it will be much worse than if passwords are compromised. When a browser connects to a web site, the browser receives a certificate that is signed by a “trusted certificate authority”, such as verisign. The browser uses this certificate to determine if it is really communicating with who the website says they are. This is the basis of the “s” part of “https”. If the certificate is compromised, then it must be revoked and a new certificate issued, or a third party could use the compromised certificate to masquerade as the real website. The problem arises when web browsers are not set up to reject revoked certificates, which they often aren’t. They are often set up only to reject certificates that have expired (or less commonly have not yet become valid). There is a setting in the browser that controls this.

    One more tidbit: The compromised version of SSL is openSSL. Not all flavors of SSL are known to be compromised. When a site says that they are not affected, they are saying that they don’t use openSSL, or that they use a version of SSL which predates the security vulnerability. It remains possible that other versions of SSL technology (such as what Windows uses) have a similar vulnerability, but it has not yet been detected.

    DISCLAIMER: I am not an IT guy, and there may be some wrongness to the above, but it is a good faith account of what I think is the truth. Also, I’m not proofreading it, so it might be completely stupid rather than just a little stupid, per my usual.

  116. theres oil in virginia says:

    whiskeytangoeberle:
    It was some random time ago, about three years, that I spread my father’s ashes in a forest.Some woman accused me of disturbing an owl nest.I could look neither her nor her labrador retriever in the eye, I knew true shame that day.

    Hey do you guys like riding bikes?

    Not much on streets, but it’s fun on trails.

  117. godot10 says:

    cabbiesmacker: That’s a second line that gets eaten alive for one, and why do you hate David Perron so much?He brings more to the table than any of the three shown on that second line.

    Kulemin for what is likely $ 3.5M per? Major pass. Man some Oiler fans teed off on Hemsky for what they saw as lack of interest. I’d love to hear what they say about Kulemin.

    I’m not fussy about line combinations, other than the first line. Add Kulemin, and I’ll be happy.

    I think Kulemin’s skill set is a better match for Yakupov’s.

    And a 4th line with Lander and Arco can take a D-zone draw against weaker lines, freeing up a Gordon line with Perron to have more balance zone starts, and a little offensive punch.

  118. Woodguy says:

    godot10: I pretty much agree with everything here, except ADD KULEMIN.Bailey (or equivalent) for Gagner, and Kulemin.Kulemin is the new Winnik.The original Winnik is too old.

    Bailey and Lander and Arcobello can all play centre or wing, which is what we wanted.And Kulemin actually played a handful of games at centre for the Leafs when all the centre were injured, and did okay.

    Because Hall-Nugent-Hopkins-Eberle are capped at $18 million for the long term, they can afford to make Kulemin the best offer.

    Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle
    Kulemin, Bailey, Yakupov
    Hendricks, Gordon, Perron
    Lander, Arcobello, Pitlick, Gazdic, Joensuu

    I like Kulemin a lot.

    If he plays with Gordon then move Hendricks to the Acro line.

    I think its critical that Gazdic’s drag on the offence be reduced and the only way to do this is to put him on the Dzone line.

    Gazdic actually had a better AHL career in terms of points than Bollig did. He may be able to do it.

  119. PunjabiOil says:

    So there is essentially no reason to not cheer for the Oilers. If they finish 29th, they most probably pick 3rd. If they finish 28th they most probably pick 3rd.

    If they finish 28th, there is still approximately a 40% chance they drop to 27th (4th OV pick).

  120. icecastles says:

    PunjabiOil: If they finish 28th, there is still approximately a 40% chance they drop to 27th (4th OV pick).

    I know very little about how the draft lottery works. Personally, I hate the way it has become an enabler for bad teams to stay bad, but what are the odds of moving up to first from 28th or 27th? In the new CBA, what is the max number of places a team can move up or down?

  121. PunjabiOil says:

    http://www.mynhldraft.com/2013-nhl-draft-lottery-odds/

    That’s the template

    Only one team will win the lottery, and if they win it, they will pick 1st overall. If the Oilers finish 29th, they’ll have a 18.8% chance of picking 1st overall, and a (100 – 25 – 18.8) 56.2% chance of dropping to pick 3rd overall.

    This year, the NJ Devils will alter the odds a bit. I believe if they win the lottery, they will still pick 30th and no chance in draft positions for any of the teams.

  122. prairieschooner says:

    The Oilers have been a regular last place team for the past few seasons.
    We have a huge amount of upgrading to do
    I like Lander for example but we can not wait around for him to develop into a ? NHL player.
    Is his ceiling not someone we could find on the open market for not a lot of cash?
    I liked LT s position about selecting specific skill sets to compliment line mates
    Someone to cut the wood someone to carry the wood and someone to stack the wood.
    Team Canada in the past has selected skill sets ahead of going superstars all the time
    Should we aim higher for our upgrades?

  123. icecastles says:

    prairieschooner: The Oilers have been a regular last place team for the past few seasons.

    28th or 29th this year.
    24th last year.
    29th the year before.

    Most recent last place finish: 2011.

    You may want to double check how many teams are in the league.
    Or re-examine the definition of “last place.”

  124. Gret99zky says:

    whiskeytangoeberle:
    It was some random time ago, about three years, that I spread my father’s ashes in a forest.Some woman accused me of disturbing an owl nest.I could look neither her nor her labrador retriever in the eye, I knew true shame that day.

    Hey do you guys like riding bikes?

    Totally!

    And I’m improving too. Last year my CF% bike riding on paths was 49.7 going east west. But over the last 10 rides it’s been 50.2 which is a nice sample.

    North south I’ve been pushing the river, FF% up about 3 points. So if I keep trending I’m bound to find that other gear.

  125. frjohnk says:

    I know a few here have talked about maybe replacing Gagner with Bailey. Not sure I agree, and here is why. Many times we seem to get hemmed in our zone and we just do not have the heavy players needed to knock opposing players off the puck. None of our D, except Klefbom have shown the strength, size and force to break up the cycle in our zone. None of our centers have the size to do this on a consistent basis either. Bailey is slight and we need to set our sights higher or shall I say heavier.

    If this team is going to compete in this division, against centermen like Kopitar, Thornton, getzlaf, hanzel, even Calgary has Monahan, never mind some of the big wingers, we are going to need a couple of big centermen in our top 4. I’m loving the reports on Khaira. If Draisaitl is that big center, I can see why the oilers like him. He may fit better on this team than any other in the draft.

    As long as they don’t lose any speed or quickness. Get RNH, Maricin, Schultz, Nurse, Petry and whoever else living quarters next to a buffet and gym.

  126. PunjabiOil says:

    Sam Gagner bleeds goals against, drags down teammaes, doesn’t produce offense.

    Meanwhile, Voracek now at 23 goals and 60 points, and on a contract ~0.6M less than Gagner’s.

    Alot of us, including myself, wanted Voracek that draft. Birth certificate and bloodlines likely played a role.

    2007. What a disaster of a draft, and certainly contributed to the rebuild.

  127. gr8one says:

    godot10: Clarkson’ s contract isn’t eligibie for a compliance buyout, only a regular buyout, and because it is so loaded with signing bonuses vs actual salary, the Leafs get minimal scap relief from a regular buyout. Clarkson’s agent schooled Nonis.

    The OIlers have Clarkson in Hendricks.The contract is too long, but it is not deadly like Clarkson’s.Clarkson is not a very good hockey player.He is system dependent.He has limited skills and speed, and is good at only two things, garbage collecting and fighting middleweights.Fighting is disappearing from the game, and a pure garbage collector without skills is a pretty useless hockey player.

    New Jersey is one of the best cycle teams in hockey.There was a lot of garbage for Clarkson to collect.He got extremely lucky one year, but he is a pretty useless hockey player.I think Hendricks is actually a better player and can do more things.

    The right answer is NOT Clarkson.It is Kulemin.

    Did you not read my subsequent posts, or just choose to ignore them?

    And obviously Clarkson is overpaid, nor did I say he is a fantastic hockey player, but on a decent salary and put in a bottom six role he could definitely be an effective option. And btw…I don’t think you score 30 goals in the NHL solely on the basis of “luck”, not to mention he was on a very similar pace during the lockout but since it was only 48 games it doesn’t look as such.

    Anyways, the point was to look outside the box and look for bargain scenarios of effective hockey players for our bottom lines, which in the event of a buyout of Clarkson, he would be just that.

    So, yeah, of course Kulemin would be a great add, so would Grabovski, Stastny, Legwand, Vrbata etc, etc, that wasn’t the point of me suggesting Clarkson, it’s easy to cherry pick the best players from a list of available UFA’s that would be good fits for the Oilers, that’s not what I was doing.

    I also stated later on that I was mistaken in typing “compliance” and also stated I was unaware that his contract was structured in such a manner a regular buyout wouldn’t makes sense, which rendered my post moot.

  128. whiskeytangoeberle says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    Gret99zky,

    Hey you guys are alright but I must say:

    STOP FEEDING HIM!!!!!

    (or he’ll never go away)

  129. godot10 says:

    prairieschooner:
    The Oilers have been a regular last place team for the past few seasons.
    We have a huge amount of upgrading to do
    I like Lander for example but we can not wait around for him to develop into a ? NHL player.
    Is his ceiling not someone we could find on the open market for not a lot of cash?
    I liked LT s position about selecting specific skill sets to compliment line mates
    Someone to cut the wood someone to carry the wood and someone to stack the wood.
    Team Canada in the past has selected skill sets ahead of going superstars all the time
    Should we aim higher for our upgrades?

    Nobody is expecting Lander to be a top 9 option next year. He is a 4th line option, or a 1st line option in OKC. He had his breakout AHL season a year earlier than Arcobello agewise. Nyquist, with similar AHL stats, took another 1.5 seasons to get to the show.

    Lander is Detroit-model depth. You let the prospect over-ripen.

    If he doesn’t improve and become Gordon’s replacement, then he facilitates not rushing Khaira, and letting his development progress normally.

    Remember, the Oilers are overpaying Gordon for his role. In two years, Lander might be able to replace him for half the salary, and bridge the gap to Khaira.

  130. Alpine says:

    frjohnk,

    Bailey would probably come in as a stop gap for a younger C. If he works out better than anticipated, then all’s well. And in the scenario that you find someone to replace him, he can easily be moved to 3LW. The idea is just find someone a little more well rounded than Gagner going into next season, and you’re really not gonna just going to be able to acquire a pick of the litter 2C outside of drafting one.

  131. gr8one says:

    PunjabiOil:
    Sam Gagner bleeds goals against, drags down teammaes, doesn’t produce offense.

    Meanwhile, Voracek now at 23 goals and 60 points, and on a contract ~0.6M less than Gagner’s.

    Alot of us, including myself, wanted Voracek that draft.Birth certificate and bloodlines likely played a role.

    2007.What a disaster of a draft, and certainly contributed to the rebuild.

    I’m not defending Gagner at all because he truly has had a horrendous season, but to be fair, Voracek hasn’t been without his own warts as well, and who’s to say what kind of season he would have had if had of begun with a broken face.

    That, said…I agree totally about that ’07 draft, and would agree that Voracek is the better player.

  132. frjohnk says:

    Alpine:
    frjohnk,

    Bailey would probably come in as a stop gap for a younger C. If he works out better than anticipated, then all’s well. And in the scenario that you find someone to replace him, he can easily be moved to 3LW.The idea is just find someone a little more well rounded than Gagner going into next season, and you’re really not gonna just going to be able to acquire a pick of the litter 2C outside of drafting one.

    You are quite right. Nobody is letting a big young center go unless there is a problem with the cap or player, or they have too many centers, or a team is willing to overpay to get one.

    My belief is that the oilers draft Draisaitl and he is playing in the nhl next fall.

  133. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: I like Kulemin a lot.

    If he plays with Gordon then move Hendricks to the Acro line.

    I think its critical that Gazdic’s drag on the offence be reduced and the only way to do this is to put him on the Dzone line.

    Gazdic actually had a better AHL career in terms of points than Bollig did.He may be able to do it.

    Further to your thoughts on the lines – what about trading Gagner for Bailey and then pursuing a Grabovski/Statsny UFA for the 2C on a short-term, high money contract. Then the C lineup runs RNH, Statsny, Bailey and Gordon.

    It’d be dicey managing the cap for a short while there with Yakupov and Schultz, but the center depth would give this team a fighting chance.

  134. RexLibris says:

    icecastles: I know very little about how the draft lottery works. Personally, I hate the way it has become an enabler for bad teams to stay bad, but what are the odds of moving up to first from 28th or 27th? In the new CBA, what is the max number of places a team can move up or down?

    Up, to the top of the order.

    Down, one place.

    Technically speaking, the Leafs could win the lottery and take Ekblad. Of course the odds of that are somewhere between 2 and 5 %.

  135. theres oil in virginia says:

    PunjabiOil:
    Sam Gagner bleeds goals against, drags down teammaes, doesn’t produce offense.

    Meanwhile, Voracek now at 23 goals and 60 points, and on a contract ~0.6M less than Gagner’s.

    Alot of us, including myself, wanted Voracek that draft.Birth certificate and bloodlines likely played a role.

    2007.What a disaster of a draft, and certainly contributed to the rebuild.

    These are remarkably similar players:

    http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/stats/_/id/3808/sam-gagner

    http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/stats/_/id/3781/jakub-voracek

    As best I can tell, the only difference between them is 3″ of height. I wonder if Sam’s numbers will improve after a trade like Voracek’s have.

  136. godot10 says:

    RexLibris: Further to your thoughts on the lines – what about trading Gagner for Bailey and then pursuing a Grabovski/Statsny UFA for the 2C on a short-term, high money contract. Then the C lineup runs RNH, Statsny, Bailey and Gordon.

    Why is Stastny going to accept a short term big money contract when he is going to be offered a big long term big money contract? Look at Calgary’s cap room.

    Burke offers Stastny 7 years @ $8 million, drafts Dal Colle or Virtanen, and wham, bam, thank-you maam, the Flames are back. He can probably outbid other teams on Cammalleri also.

  137. prairieschooner says:

    Thanks Ice castles for pointing out my statement error
    If I said that the Oilers have had three overall selections and an 8th overall pick in the last 4 years
    and have not only failed miserably to improve themselves in the standings they will finish this season worse off than last year. Would that be a more accurate statement?

    Godot10 I have no problem with lander in the AHL I feel that significantly upgrading such a miserably performing team should not be hard to do

  138. oliveoilers says:

    godot10,

    If Stastny gets anywhere close to 7yrs @ $8m, then I’ll be a monkey’s uncle. I just don’t think that’s realistic. He’s 28yo, for a start. That’s Toews type money. In fact more, as Stastny’s hit is $6.6m compared to Toews $6.3m. And Jonathan Toews he aint. 5yrs @ $7.5m max.

    NB: Crosby has a hit of $8.7m.

  139. RexLibris says:

    godot10: Why is Stastny going to accept a short term big money contract when he is going to be offered a big long term big money contract?Look at Calgary’s cap room.

    Burke offers Stastny 7 years @ $8 million, drafts Dal Colle or Virtanen, and wham, bam, thank-you maam, the Flames are back.He can probably outbid other teams on Cammalleri also.

    Of course.

    It really is so simple.

    Why wouldn’t Burke, who refused to offer Brad Richards big money over a long term when he was a free agent, do an about-face and offer big money over a long term to another free agent center now that his roster is developing centers but thin as paper on the right-wing?

  140. Marcus Oilerius says:

    RexLibris,

    Richards was a fair bit older than Stastny is.

  141. Alpine says:

    oliveoilers,

    Toews was 6.3 as an RFA though, he will be 8+ pretty soon. Stastny might not get 8, but being a very good UFA C under 30 probably gets him close. Big ticket UFAs get max deals these days.

  142. Ryan says:

    Woodguy: Draisaitl

    By ‘eye’ Gazdic does seem to be able to skate the puck to the red line to dump it in the other team’s end.

    Wasn’t one of your theories IIRC to have the Face Puncher on a line that got severe zone starts against meh competition and to have an actual 3rd line get the tough zone starts against the toughs?

    Or am I thinking of someone/thing else?

  143. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris: Further to your thoughts on the lines – what about trading Gagner for Bailey and then pursuing a Grabovski/Statsny UFA for the 2C on a short-term, high money contract. Then the C lineup runs RNH, Statsny, Bailey and Gordon.

    It’d be dicey managing the cap for a short while there with Yakupov and Schultz, but the center depth would give this team a fighting chance.

    That would be even better.

    I love Grabovski too.

    I’m not sure EDM could get either though.

    There’s also the ROR issue in COL.

    I could see COL signing Stastny and trading ROR.

  144. stevezie says:

    RexLibris,

    If you look at LA’s stats and then look at their salaries, does Mike Richards not seem like the odd man out? Is he not an ideal Dallas Eakins player?

    I don’t know that LA would want, but I start with Klefbom and Gagner and keep piling on pieces. (The emergence of Toffoli might mean they wouldn’t even want Gagner- or maybe it makes it easier for them to move RIchards?)

    I would argue that every single player on the Kings is better than their stats line shows. Something about Sutter’s system appears to kill offence.

  145. Ryan says:

    oliveoilers:
    godot10,

    If Stastny gets anywhere close to 7yrs @ $8m, then I’ll be a monkey’s uncle.I just don’t think that’s realistic.He’s 28yo, for a start. That’s Toews type money.In fact more, as Stastny’s hit is $6.6m compared to Toews $6.3m.And Jonathan Toews he aint.5yrs @ $7.5m max.

    NB:Crosby has a hit of $8.7m.

    Insanity prevails when it comes to signing UFA’s.

    see: Clarkson, David

  146. Alpine says:

    Woodguy,

    The Oilers “should” be all over ROR. Colorado’s probably looking for a D in return though. Eberle plus one of the young D might do it, but then there’s the question of it being worth it from the Oilers’ perspective.

  147. frjohnk says:

    oliveoilers:
    godot10,

    If Stastny gets anywhere close to 7yrs @ $8m, then I’ll be a monkey’s uncle.I just don’t think that’s realistic.He’s 28yo, for a start. That’s Toews type money.In fact more, as Stastny’s hit is $6.6m compared to Toews $6.3m.And Jonathan Toews he aint.5yrs @ $7.5m max.

    NB:Crosby has a hit of $8.7m.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Stastny is offered that kind of contract. And I would not be surprised if its from MacT. I like Stastny for a few reasons, maybe not that with that kind of contract, but

    He is still relatively young at 28.
    Decent size 6 feet, 205 pounds.
    Every year he puts up a decent amount of goals and points. 24 goals 46 assists over 82 games career average.

    54% in the dot. Every year he has been over 50% except rookie season. Career average is 52%. He would take some pressure off of Gordon. Oilers work Gordon in the D zone like a rented mule.
    Offensive zone start of 47% with a positive corsi. http://somekindofninja.com/nhl/usage.php?f1=2013_s%2B2012_s%2B2012_p%2B2011_s%2B2011_p%2B2010_s%2B2010_p%2B2009_s%2B2009_p%2B2008_s%2B2008_p%2B2007_s%2B2007_p&f2=5v5&f3=Paul+Stastny&f5=COL&f4=&f7=&bubbleType=corsiRel&yAxis=qoc&update-filters=Update+Results

    This is a nice player.

    I think he is the best UFA center, he will get many offers. But if the salary cap does not go up that much, that may take some teams out of the running.

  148. stevezie says:

    oliveoilers: If Stastny gets anywhere close to 7yrs @ $8m, then I’ll be a monkey’s uncle.

    Hell,. I’ll sign up to be the monkey’s aunt. At no point in his career has Stastny even approached that threshhold.

    I’d give him a one year deal for 8 though. I doubt he’d take it, but if he had an irrational confidence in his health it would make sense. From a team’s perspective, there is no such thing as a bad one year deal. Keep that in mind when they throw the moon at Markov or Boyle.

  149. Ryan says:

    stevezie,

    Sometimes players on very good teams appear better than they actually are… Patrick O’Sullivan says, “hello.”

    The Kings are 7th in the NHL in shots / game. I don’t think Sutter’s stifling their offense. They’re the Corsi kings too.

  150. VanOil says:

    Last ever CBC broadcast of the Oilers. I will miss Meeker and Cole. The rest not so much. I hope Rogers ups it game as there current talent level is worthy of Leaves broadcasts and not much else.

  151. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: That would be even better.

    I love Grabovski too.

    I’m not sure EDM could get either though.

    There’s also the ROR issue in COL.

    I could see COL signing Stastny and trading ROR.

    ROR is another thing I’ve thought about… You have to think COL can’t re-sign both, right?

    http://www.capgeek.com/player/1576

    either would be huge. just huge.

  152. Alpine says:

    stevezie,

    He had a few lean years points wise before this year and after three 70+ seasons. He’s been playing the shutdown/two-way role for most of time in Colorado with decent Corsies. Either it’s a teammates thing or he really is just underrated.

    Maybe he’s not quite elite, but the main thing is that he’s a UFA. Off the top of my head, I can’t name any 8+ players that were signed as UFAs. Maybe the elite standard would be closer to 10 if any those guys were subjects of a bidding war.

  153. theres oil in virginia says:

    Alpine:
    Woodguy,

    The Oilers “should” be all over ROR. Colorado’s probably looking for a D in return though. Eberle plus one of the young D might do it, but then there’s the question of it being worth it from the Oilers’ perspective.

    I bet it would be “enough” – what a terrible trade for the Oilers. He’s shooting at 14% with a career average of 10% and he’s matched Eberle in goals this year. Prior to this year, his single-season-high was 18 goals. Eberle for ROR is bad enough, throwing in a D prospect is going the wrong way. Don’t get me wrong, the guy is a solid player, he’s a center and has size, but now is definitely the time COL should be shopping him. Conversely, now is not the time for the Oilers to be after him.

  154. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Acton ahead of Lander, centering the third line.

    I give up on Eakins.

  155. stevezie says:

    Ryan,

    Yes, the Corsi Kings, but their shots produce a famously low amount of goals. They are one of the great corsi mysteries. The whole reason they wanted Gagner and overpaid for Gaborik is, despite all their shots, they were desperate for goals. They’re only five goals ahead of Edmonton. Think about that.

    I assume you saw Doughty in the Olympics? Did that guy look like a 37 point defenceman? Does Kopitar strike you as a 70 point player? Carter and Richards both scored significantly more in Philadelphia. Brown and Stoll’s point totals may have more to do with the stage of their career they are in, but one can at least say Sutter does not coach Kings to career numbers.

    My point is that I think Mike Richards on Edmonton is better than a 40 point player.

  156. stevezie says:

    Alpine,

    I agree with all your points- he is a good player who will achieve the mighty feat of moving from one overpaid contract to a second overpaid contract. Good for him.

    7×8 though? For a guy three (soon to be four) seasons removed from seventy points? 7×8 is what you give your franchise guy. He’s good, but he ain’t no franchise.

    Honestly I’ll bet he mostly just gets an extension of what he’s at now- 6×6. Maybe someone will go to seven, but that should mean shorter term. I’d offer him 2 x 7.5 and hope his greed/ambition overrules his prudence, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

    People keep throwing around David Clarkson as proof of how crazy GMs are willing to be, but I actually think that is a better argument that they’ll be more cautious this summer. GMs are incredibly trendy, and after David Clarkson the trend is to avoid hanging yourself on 28 year olds who are good but not elite.

  157. Andy P says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: can someone explain what this is all about… I’m interested but cautious.

    I was suspicious but I think the dude may just be helpful.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XBMC

  158. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    watching Hemsky is just so much fun.

    How fantasy land freakish great would it be if he came back?

    At any rate, I hope he stays with the Sens. More opportunity to watch him play.

  159. book¡je says:

    “Steve Smith”: All games are meaningless, except insofar as we, as fans, arbitrarily decide that they are not.I have decided that games against teams as contemptible as the Vancouver Canucks are inherently meaningful.

    Ever since I found out the universe has only about 5 billion years left before it ends , I have a hard time finding significance in anything. I mean, why should I bother to cut my grass if its all just doomed to vaporize with time and gravity and everything else at some point.

  160. godot10 says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    Acton ahead of Lander, centering the third line.

    I give up on Eakins.

    Lowetide has “called” it on Lander. It means MacT trending towards bad MacT again. The one that chose Nilsson over Glencross. The one who did not realize he had Jan Hejda in the pressbox till December, and then forgot about him come summer time. The one who didn’t like Joni Pitkanen’s jib. The one who thought Sheldon Souray was a good idea. The guy who alienated Mike Peca as soon as he got to town. The guy who never forgave Stoll and Torres for insubordination, and gutted the late twenty something core of the Oilers. The guy who didn’t dress his 2nd best goaltender as a backup for the Stanley Cup finals. The guy who sent Horcoff out of town with a compliance buyout sitting in his back pocket if needed and Nugent-Hopkins recovering from surgery. The guy who impulsively fired and hired a coach. The guy who used up two NHL contracts for two years on Ryan Hamilton and Will Acton. The Smid trade. The Ference signing.

    Happy Days will be undoubtedly here again.

  161. godot10 says:

    stevezie:
    Ryan,

    My point is that I think Mike Richards on Edmonton is better than a 40 point player.

    The better medium to long term solution is to keep Klefbom and draft the next Mike Richards (i.e. Sam Bennett).

    And find another solution for the short term, like Josh Bailey.

  162. theres oil in virginia says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    watching Hemsky is just so much fun.

    How fantasy land freakish great would it be if he came back?

    At any rate, I hope he stays with the Sens. More opportunity to watch him play.

    Hey Bookjie, did you report that Hemsky is down one point on the Brown vs Hemsky bet? 2 games left.

  163. Gerta Rauss says:

    godot10: Lowetide has “called” it on Lander.It means MacT trending towards bad MacT again.The one that chose Nilsson over Glencross.The one who did not realize he had Jan Hejda in the pressbox till December, and then forgot about him come summer time.The one who didn’t like Joni Pitkanen’s jib.The one who thought Sheldon Souray was a good idea.The guy whoalienated Mike Peca as soon as he got to town.The guy who never forgave Stoll and Torres for insubordination, and gutted the late twenty something core of the Oilers. The guy who didn’t dress his 2nd best goaltender as a backup for the Stanley Cup finals.The guy who sent Horcoff out of town with a compliance buyout sitting in his back pocket if needed and Nugent-Hopkins recovering from surgery.The guy who impulsively fired and hired a coach.The guy who used up two NHL contracts for two years on Ryan Hamilton and Will Acton.The Smid trade.The Ference signing.

    Happy Days will be undoubtedly here again.

    ….and his mother’s a whore..!!!

  164. Gerta Rauss says:

    1-1 Fiorida and Columbus after 1

  165. Andy P says:

    G Money:
    *** OFFTOPIC BUT IMPORTANT ***

    I’m sure most of you have been hearing about the Heartbleed bug, and hopefully have taken steps to protect/change your password for sites affected (including gmail, Facebook, Dropbox, and many other internet heavy hitters).

    If you don’t know what Heartbleed is, haven’t taken steps, or don’t know if you might be affected, I recommend you read this:

    http://mashable.com/2014/04/09/heartbleed-bug-websites-affected/

    The reason I’m posting here is that one of the sites that *was* affected was WordPress, which is the hosting site for Lowetide.

    The summary on WordPress is that they say they’ve fixed the bug (maybe) and they don’t think anyone has been affected (maybe).The reply makes me a bit nervous.WordPress tweeted that it has taken “immediate steps” and “addressed the Heartbleed OpenSSL exploit,” but it’s unclear if the issue is completely solder[sic - should be 'solved' I think]. When someone asked Matt Mullenweg, WordPress’ founding developer, when the site’s SSL certificates will be replaced and when users will be able to reset passwords, he simply answered: “soon.”

    If you don’t use your WordPress/Lowetide password on any other sites, then you probably don’t have much to worry about, as I doubt there’s much confidential information hackers would care to steal.

    On the other hand, if your WP/LT password is the same one you use for your email and your internet banking – I suggest you stop what you’re doing right now and go change every one of those passwords to something different (and preferably unique and hard to crack).

    Some tips:
    1) I use this site for password lists. The first link allows you to generate sheets of random passwords of almost any length and varying complexity that are as close to random as you will likely find:
    https://www.grc.com/ppp.htm

    2) Use this link to get 3x 63 or 64 character sets of random passwords, take the entire set if you’re feeling psycho about your vulnerability, however there are articles on the site that give you an idea of how many combinations are available out of different type and length of character sets – i.e. resistance to brute force attacks.
    https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm

    3) If you have a Microsoft or Google ID, set yourself fup with a multi tier password. It involves a bit of extra work if you do cross platform email consolidations, but it also gives you stronger security against hacking. The way it works, is that the first time you sign in from any device, the provider sends a passcode to a pre-assigned device once you have entered the correct password. This is a more recent corporate trend and adds another layer of security against hacking.

    4) Check the brand of router you use to interface to the internet, and google it with the word “vulnerabilities” and see what comes back. There is a brand out there, that I had, from what I thought was a reputable company, where a large number of their devices are not only vulnerable by wireless, but over the hard wiring as well, due to an exposed vulnerability. I threw mine away, and btw disable uPnP unless you actually use that feature.

    5) Common sense: I try to avoid leaving my credit card or personal details anywhere, and when I shop online I stick to a card that has a lower credit limit, that I monitor almost daily.
    I never, ever, allow automatic login of my internet banking. unique, hand entered password every time.

    fwiw. Now back to hockey :)

  166. oliveoilers says:

    Ryan: Insanity prevails when it comes to signing UFA’s.

    see:Clarkson, David

    LOL, you guys are right! I forgot something is worth what somebody is willing to pay!

  167. stevezie says:

    godot10,

    I’ll admit I don’t know Josh Bailey well. What little I do know does not suggest to me he is ready to step inand be a 1a center (which is what I think Nuge needs at this point in his career), but you might know more than me. Either way, you’re right that there is a “next Mike Richards” out there somewhere, however, in this case, I’m not sure that’s the Michael Corleone move, because
    1) The Imminent Richards is probably not going to be cheap. We need someone who is going to realize their potential next year, and someone that close will cost you.
    2) There is always the risk they don’t realize that potential.

    The current Mike Richards, on the other hand, is a little overpaid. This means that maybe, just maybe, he won’t be much more expensive than Bailey (or whoever) in a trade. What extra asset costs there are will be offset by the security of knowing who you’re getting. I think the Oilers are at a point where we need to acquire one or two sure things.

    There are other players who could do what I think Richards could do- if the Kings ask for too much you tell them to go screw and move on to the next target. I’m just suggesting the conversation.

    EDIT
    I see I hastily misread you- you called Bennet the next one and Bailey a stop-gap. I think a stop-gap means we miss the playoffs again.
    I’d rather trade for Richards/sign Stastny/insert 1a center of your choice AND draft Bennet. If, in three years, we have to trade Richards for quarters on the dollar to make room for Bennet, I can live with that. Or maybe they just switch spots on the depth chart?

    That’s plan A, of course. It probably won’t be that ideal.

  168. Kitchener says:

    2-1 Florida leads

    edit: dang! 2-2 tie

  169. Andy P says:

    Colieo87:
    icecastles,

    Thanks for the nimble advice I totally agree 100 percent that cable will be obsolete eventually just people like my parents and grandparents use it cause they don’t understand that a computer can do it all for free.Simplicity is what keeps the paying a month for cable which is a complete rip off.Your right we pay for advertising and that’s it.I just wish I could cut down my cell phone bill and intenet bill. Bell (phone)Rogers (Internet)is brutal now a days.200 between them with taxes included.What a rip off we canadain pay.

    I pay less than that for a ton of HD channels, internet gateway, 50mbps download, and landline.
    I suspect cable will be around, but it will be providing broadband internet rather than that plus all the rest. Does anyone out there get 50mbps for internet, phone, and full HD content?

  170. stevezie says:

    godot10: The better medium to long term solution is to keep Klefbom

    I’ll add that I think- I’m not sure but I think- this summer would be a great time to move one of Klefbom, Nurse or Marincin. All three look to be ready or close to ready for full-time NHL duty, and I don’t think it makes sense to have four (counting Schultz) inexperienced players in your top seven defencemen. This becomes especially true if you don’t consider Petry or Ference to be top pairing defenders, because if that’s the case then at least one of the four kids would have to be on your top pair.

    There is a dearth of top centers and arguably no top defenders in this summer’s UFA market. turning one of the three young D into a present-tense top player would be a sensible move. I guess Schultz could also be on the tradeable list, but I am more attached to him. I think his skill-set is the most unique.

    With Klefbom’s injury history he would have to be my first choice to trade, but it really depends on each player’s trade value.

  171. book¡je says:

    theres oil in virginia: Hey Bookjie, did you report that Hemsky is down one point on the Brown vs Hemsky bet?2 games left.

    Is that accurate? I hope so. To be honest, I just find the whole ‘closeness’ of this two year bet with a massive resurgence by Hemsky with just a few weeks left in the bet really interesting.

    I would love to see a tie.

  172. Kitchener says:

    stevezie,

    I agree. I’d like to see all three develop as Oilers, but suspect that Marincin would be the first of those three to be traded.

    We’ll know a lot more after draft day. If they take a C, there’s at least a chance that Klefbom/Nurse/Marincin will all stay.

  173. theres oil in virginia says:

    book¡je: Is that accurate?I hope so.To be honest, I just find the whole ‘closeness’ of this two year bet with a massive resurgence by Hemsky with just a few weeks left in the bet really interesting.

    I would love to see a tie.

    I’d like to see that too. I don’t know how to take into account the partial year at the beginning of the bet. The last two years to-date is easy:
    Hemsky 62 pts (111 games)
    Brown 55 pts (124 games)

  174. theres oil in virginia says:

    …and Hemsky has an assist already tonight.

  175. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Come on Columbus, you’re in the freaking playoffs, you can mail it in.

  176. Ryan says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: ROR is another thing I’ve thought about… You have to think COL can’t re-sign both, right?

    http://www.capgeek.com/player/1576

    either would be huge. just huge.

    The great irony… Colorado used to have an unlimited budget before the cap era, now they can’t afford to spend to it.

  177. theres oil in virginia says:

    According to TGO himself, Brown had a 19-9 advantage from trade deadline to season’s end 2011-12:
    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2014/03/the-eternal-kansas-city.html/comment-page-1#comment-299980

    If so, then it’s 74-72 Brown as of right now.

  178. book¡je says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    According to TGO himself, Brown had a 19-9 advantage from trade deadline to season’s end 2011-12:
    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2014/03/the-eternal-kansas-city.html/comment-page-1#comment-299980

    If so, then it’s 74-72 Brown as of right now.

    Nice

  179. book¡je says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    Does that count Hemksy’s assist from tonight?

  180. theres oil in virginia says:

    book¡je:
    theres oil in virginia,

    Does that count Hemksy’s assist from tonight?

    yep.

  181. fifthcartel says:

    Huge regulation loss by Florida tonight.

  182. gcw_rocks says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Florida lost.

    Well, let’s see if the Oilers are stupid and win this game. There is nothing to be gained by winning it, and a probable reduction in choice at the draft if they do win.

    So, I predict the Oilers will play their best game of the season.

  183. book¡je says:

    fifthcartel:
    Huge regulation loss by Florida tonight.

    Ok, now I want the Oilers to win and then win the draft lottery.

  184. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    Can they hire Steve on a 1 day contract as lottery show rep?

  185. VanOil says:

    fifthcartel:
    Huge regulation loss by Florida tonight.

    I don’t have Ekblad as BPA. Or fitting a need for the Oilers. Regardless of draft order I hope Florida selects Ekblad in the dream that free’s up Campbell or Kulikov from there roster.

    My current draft order is Reinhart, Bennett, Draisaitl, Ekblad, Dal Cole. So far none of the European skaters has caught my eye, but I am hardly diligent in draft my research.

    All good players but all not worth pulling the punches against the Canucks for.

    Smytty to get the winner on the power play!!!

  186. icecastles says:

    Smyth wearing the ‘C’. As it should be. Wearing my 94 jersey with pride and sadness tonight.

  187. danny says:

    Fernando Pinizzotto.

  188. Kitchener says:

    TV timeout lets 94 catch his breath before the PP.

  189. Lowetide says:

    Power play!!! Come on Smyth, one time!!!!

    Liked Horak’s goal there, that’s why he beats out Lander in the fall imo.

  190. Halfwise says:

    Genjutsu:
    Everything I’ve read about Ekblad is that he is a man child like Lindros was and has been in a mans body since he was 15.

    This is the reason why he is rated so high is he is thought to be a top 4 plug and play next season.

    He is the only man in history to play D in the OHL at 15.

    Denis Potvin was our entire High School junior football offence until the Ottawa 67s season started.

  191. icecastles says:

    Unfortunately, the power play tonight is going to be even easier to predict than usual. It will take either luck or heroics to get Smyth a goal with the focus he’ll be seeing from the Canucks.

  192. Pouzar says:

    Yes!

    Bendit for Bennett!!!!

  193. Lowetide says:

    Halfwise: Denis Potvin was our entire High School junior football offence until the Ottawa 67s season started.

    Denis Potvin, as a junior, was pretty much God.

  194. VanOil says:

    As a birthday gift for sweat baby nuge I hope his CCM stick contract has expired. The flex on it can’t handle his man strength, he has been firing high for two seasons.

  195. Younger Oil says:

    On the bright side of Rogers taking over, this may be the last time we will ever hear the words “bounce pass” said together.

  196. theres oil in virginia says:

    I came here hoping to see lots of “soft goal” jokes. I’m very disappointed. You guys are getting soft.

  197. russ99 says:

    Ugh. Win this and we pick 3rd or 4th – if someone behind us wins the lottery. This was too painful a season not to get a top 2 pick.

    Also it’s kind of hard to move the pick for real value (if that’s in the cards) after the top players are gone…

    Anyone know what the tiebreaker is if we lose in OT or the shootout?

  198. fifthcartel says:

    russ99,
    ROW so Edmonton would move to 28 in the event of 1 point.

  199. VanOil says:

    Linden might be blinking that much because the eye glass company he shills for poisoned his contact solution for leaving them.

  200. oliveoilers says:

    Lowetide:
    Power play!!! Come on Smyth, one time!!!!

    Liked Horak’s goal there, that’s why he beats out Lander in the fall imo.

    I actually think that Lander has had rotten puck luck tonight. He’s playing well, though and getting into better scoring positions. That’s reassuring for his next team.

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