CONTROLLING THE CRAZY!

It’s 64 days and counting. The NHL Entry Draft 2014 is in Philadelphia June 27-28. Ed Snider’s brain is hovering eleven miles above the Wells Fargo Center and Paul Holmgren is picking out suits at Boyds and something’s in the air. Trading with Philadelphia at this entry draft could move your team forward five years, or if you’re lucky, help you find a crease in the space-time continuum.

FLYERS!

FORWARDS

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DEFENSE

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Questions:

  1. Is there a player you would trade for the third overall pick?
  2. Are there two players you would trade the pick and a legit Oiler for?
  3. Do you like the idea of trading the pick to address C and or D?

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85 Responses to "CONTROLLING THE CRAZY!"

  1. Maggie the Monkey says:

    Don’t you ever just sit at home and eat potato chips, LT? I mean, this is your third article of the day (that I know of) and there’s still daylight left.

  2. coolwasabi says:

    Couturier and Coburn are the obvious targets, but I don’t see a deal that makes sense for both teams.

    Would I trade Eberle for Coburn? No.
    Would I trade #3 and Marinčin for Coburn? No.

  3. Ryan says:

    C’mon, we all know the trade…

    Couturier and Simmons for Eberle and our 3rd. :)

  4. speeds says:

    Philly is kind of a tough match, the players that would likely be of interest to EDM are either unlikely to be available, or have contractual issues that make acquiring them cost prohibitive, IMO.

    Yes, EDM could use Giroux, Couturier, and Simmonds, but I’m not sure how available they are. They could also use Hartnell, Coburn, and Voracek, but their contracts probably mean EDM wouldn’t be interested in moving 3OV for them.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Maggie the Monkey:
    Don’t you ever just sit at home and eat potato chips, LT?I mean, this is your third article of the day (that I know of) and there’s still daylight left.

    lol. It’s a busy day, but fun. Niklas Hjalmarsson is the latest

    http://www.puckrant.com/slapshot/NIKLAS_HJALMARSSON

  6. speeds says:

    coolwasabi,

    I wouldn’t trade either the 3OV or Marincin for Coburn, nevermind both.

  7. Derek says:

    Why is there still interest in Coburn? Whhhhhhyyyyyyyyyy

  8. Clay says:

    Derek:
    Why is there still interest in Coburn? Whhhhhhyyyyyyyyyy

    Isn’t it obvious? A big blue bubble in the top left-hand corner, and thunderous bodychecks.

  9. misfit says:

    Coburn is a good defenseman, that’s why there’s interest.

    Is he the saviour (ala Pronger in ’05)? No.
    Would he be the best LD on our roster? Yes.
    Is he worth giving up the #3 overall for? No.

    If we were to see a major trade where we’re giving up the #3 and a player of value from our roster, I’d certainly want him to be included (as far as Phillly D are concerned). With that said, I’d want the other part of the return to be a better player (possibly with a + as well).

  10. Derek says:

    Clay: Isn’t it obvious?A big blue bubble in the top left-hand corner, and thunderous bodychecks.

    I believe that Coburn is a serviceable top 4 defenseman. Philly needs defensemen, they’re not going to give one away. If you want Coburn you’re going to pay through the teeth for an average top 4 defenseman who’s 29 years old. Why would you do this?

  11. icecastles says:

    Three uses of the word plethora in the last thread. Very nice.

  12. Lowetide says:

    If the Flyers offered Couturier and #17 overall (their current draft number this season), what (if anything) would need to be added to satisfy #3?

    http://www.prosportstransactions.com/hockey/DraftTrades/Years/2014.htm

  13. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    If the Flyers offered Couturier and #17 overall (their current draft number this season), what (if anything) would need to be added to satisfy #3?

    http://www.prosportstransactions.com/hockey/DraftTrades/Years/2014.htm

    Is Barbashev still available at 17? (no… but maybe? if so… Klefbom?)

  14. theres oil in virginia says:

    icecastles:
    Three uses of the word plethora in the last thread. Very nice.

    wood choo se eet wuz a plethora uff plethoras?

  15. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Where does anyone get the idea that Couturier is even available?

    Philly has a decent core, Couturier is coming along, the Schenns are making progress, Giroux is in his prime. They have no reason to trade him, unless he’s unhappy as 3C and wants a 2C role over Schenn and they’d rather have Schenn.

    If Couturier was available, I imagine the only thing Philly would want is a young, capable defenceman with the potential to eventually replace Timonen.

  16. gr8one says:

    Speaking of Coburn, where is he in the sledgehammer?

  17. Lowetide says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    Where does anyone get the idea that Couturier is even available?

    Philly has a decent core, Couturier is coming along, the Schenns are making progress, Giroux is in his prime.They have no reason to trade him, unless he’s unhappy as 3C and wants a 2C role over Schenn and they’d rather have Schenn.

    If Couturier was available, I imagine the only thing Philly would want is a young, capable defenceman with the potential to eventually replace Timonen.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?season=20132014&gameType=2&team=PHI&position=S&country=&status=&viewName=faceOffPercentageAll#

    Flyers have Giroux, Schenn, Couturier at center. They have good center depth coming. They may want Ekblad. They may not be able to get to Ekblad via trade using #17. They may be able to get to Ekblad via trade using #3.

  18. Lowetide says:

    gr8one:
    Speaking of Coburn, where is he in the sledgehammer?

    If you click on each sledgehammer, they come into clear view.

  19. Melman says:

    The Oilers are in a tricky spot. Unless you get a team offering a legit 2C or 1st pairing D stud they are giving away a potential impact player, who may allow you the flexibility to trade away from the magical core down the road. You’d like to think this is their last kick at a lottery pick for some time. If Bennett turns himself into Matt Duschene everyone will want to throw up on their shoes. Couturier & #17 for Matt Duschene, no thanks. Couturier & #17 for Mike Richards, heck ya.

  20. delooper says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    Where does anyone get the idea that Couturier is even available?

    The whole act of armchair GM-ing would be pointless if one didn’t assume every player out there was available for relatively little in exchange.

    No point in reading these kinds of threads unless you’re willing to suspend your sense of reality for a moment.

  21. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: They may want Ekblad. They may not be able to get to Ekblad via trade using #17.

    That “may not” is hilarious.

    I like the idea that someone would pick Ekblad at say 2 and then trade him for 17 right away.

    Is Tallon being replaced by Feaster?

  22. Marcus Oilerius says:

    “All 5 players on this power play were in the playoffs for Grand Rapids last year.”

    Now that’s an NHL organization.

  23. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Lowetide,

    Great scenario. I buy it.

  24. Dicky94 says:

    Oilers 1st pick+ Gagner+ Petry and Musil
    For 17 pick + Couturier and Coburn.
    Trade the 17th pick + Gernat to Buffalo for Myers + 2nd. Big day!

  25. Younger Oil says:

    There are just so many different options heading into this draft, it is going to be a fascinating 64 days. For me, the most important thing is attempting to make a trade that fills holes in our lineup, without opening up any new ones. If we do decide to trade the pick, we should try to find the team that will value it the most, and in my opinion that is most likely to be a team without a first round pick who didn’t make the playoffs (i.e Ottawa and possibly NYI).

    What’s appealing for me from Ottawa is the plethora of forward prospects who have big bodies and are ready to jump into the NHL. Lazar, Zibanejad, and Mark Stone come to mind.

    The Islanders on the other hand have many players who could fill big holes in the Oilers’ lineup. Josh Bailey, Brock Nelson, Anders Lee, and Matt Martin could all fill in some of what we are really missing (defence, size, and grittyness), and all four are able to score fairly well for where they would be in the lineup.

    There’s also the choice to trade down in the draft and pick up a young player and a later pick, for example the #3 to Phoenix for Henrick Samuelsson and the #12, where we could possibly get someone like Jake Virtanen or Alex Tuch.

    There’s also the option of packaging the pick with Sam Gagner, and attempting to trade it to somewhere where he would have positive value. To me, the Islanders and Blue Jackets would make the most sense, because Gagner is connected somewhat with Tavares, and Kekalainen has gone on the record saying he likes smaller players quite a bit. Again, the Islanders have a lot of appealing pieces, and if we could somehow pry a signed Dubinski away from Columbus that would help this team immensely.

    Lastly, there’s always the Philidelphia trade, what is mentioned the most is Eberle and the 3rd for Simmonds and Couturier, but in my opinion that is not the best option, as while it does fill two big holes, there is a huge risk of Philadelphia getting the two best players in that deal, and I’d prefer to keep the pick if it came to that.

    To me, out of all those options, dealing with the Islanders is probably the most appealing, especially if they decide to give their pick to Buffalo. A trade like the 3rd, Gagner, Lander and Musil for Bailey, Nelson, Lee and Martin could revitalize this forward group.

    RNH-Hall-Eberle
    Bailey-Perron-Yakupov
    Lee-Nelson-Winnik
    Gordon-Martin-Hendricks

    Sorry if the trade is too NHL 14-like, but I was just trying to put together a fair trade that we could make without opening any major holes in the lineup.

    My apologies for the long post.

  26. Lowetide says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    Lowetide,

    Great scenario.I buy it.

    Me too. If the Flyers believe Ekblad is the real deal, and we don’t know, they might pay EDM quite a bit to get up to #3. Then, dealing #3 plus something gets them to Ekblad. Maybe a three way deal, lord knows between Snider, Holmgren and Tallon there’s going to be plenty of strutting.

  27. mumbai max says:

    Lowetide:
    If the Flyers offered Couturier and #17 overall (their current draft number this season), what (if anything) would need to be added to satisfy #3?

    http://www.prosportstransactions.com/hockey/DraftTrades/Years/2014.htm

    This is a good trade. There are still good picks at 17 (Eberle 22), we have just forgotten what they look like! Can you put this together? Have your people call their people?

  28. Caramel Obvious says:

    Dicky94:
    Oilers 1st pick+ Gagner+ Petryand Musil
    For17 pick + Couturier and Coburn.
    Trade the 17th pick + Gernat to Buffalo for Myers + 2nd.Big day!

    That second trade is interesting.

  29. Caramel Obvious says:

    Dicky94:
    Oilers 1st pick+ Gagner+ Petryand Musil
    For17 pick + Couturier and Coburn.
    Trade the 17th pick + Gernat to Buffalo for Myers + 2nd.Big day!

    So by math if you cancel out the picks (#2 and #3, and #17 for #17) that means according to your valuation of players the Oilers would trade:

    Gernat, Gagner, Petry, and Musil for Couturier, Coburn, and Myers.

    Who knew being a GM was so easy?

  30. Dicky94 says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    Philly would then trade the oilers pick to the jets for big Buff. Lol

  31. Lowetide says:

    mumbai max: This is a good trade. There are still good picks at 17 (Eberle 22), we have just forgotten what they look like! Can you put this together? Have your people call their people?

    I’m on it!

  32. spoiler says:

    Love this article. I’m too phklempt right now to comment further.

  33. John Chambers says:

    Trade picks with Carolina and have them include Sekara in exchange for say Gernat.

    Alan Hull and Alan Mitchell were bang on with that one. Guy was hands-down their top blue liner .

  34. Dicky94 says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    Buffalo’s second round pick.

  35. Ducey says:

    The odds of the #3 being traded for anything are very very low. Most of the proposals are predicated on someone being crazy. Snider wants to win now. He isn’t going to trade two of his best players for prospects.

    Besides, Snider is just chairman of the board and a minority owner. Comcast ultimately calls the shots. They are not going to be excited about taking a step back in the short term.

    What is crazy is the fact that only three Flyers forwards have offensive zone starts < 50 %

  36. spoiler says:

    It would be complete madness to not trade our pick if Couturier could be had for it. Not that he’s better than any of the players likely to be available, but he’s good now and the Oilers need a healthy dose of good now.

    The key of course is that Ekblad is still on the board at 3.

    Philly needs a stud D way more than they need a 2/3 C. And that’s how MacT should be pitching it to Homer… Dude you really need Ekblad more than you need Couturier. He’s a higher pick, we’re giving you the better player in the deal, because we need help now. And you get to make the big splash! …Otherwise we’re trading the pick to Pittsburgh.

    It has a good chance of happening just because it solves needs on both teams. Unfortunately, we fans will be kept on absolute tenterhooks till the bitter end because there’s no chance of it happening until the 3rd pick.

    The fear of course is that Yakupov is included.

    In all cynicism though, I think they’re saving Yak for Buffalo to pair with Grigs–in return for Myers.

  37. anonymous says:

    Trading the pick should be plan A, free agency and the draft aren’t going to help much next season. The Oilers need impact next season. If the pick gets Couturier take it and run. Be a great fit for Yak.

  38. mumbai max says:

    TSN has Neal on the block if Pitts loses in first round. Eberle and one of the D prospects for Neal?
    Similar career stats, bigger and tougher.

  39. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Hawerchuk ‏@behindthenet 10m
    @RomulusNotNuma @CopperandBlue @robvollmanNHL I thought my original NHLE was ~0.3

  40. Rod from Viking says:

    spoiler,

    I hope you are right on both deals but I would like to keep Yak.

  41. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Hawerchuk ‏@behindthenet10m
    @RomulusNotNuma @CopperandBlue @robvollmanNHL I thought my original NHLE was ~0.3

    I’m not sure what this is?

  42. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: I’m not sure what this is?

    Sorry… (context… sometimes I forget about it).

    GMoney’s article. I tweeted it to Vollman and GD to see if they had anything to offer.

    To be honest, I’m not sure I follow GD’s point… but I don’t know what “~0.3″ means either… but I thought GMoney might as he seems to get the mathy things.

    FWIW here’s GD’s original article:

    http://www.behindthenet.ca/projecting_to_nhl.php

    he doesn’t seem to weight the OHL above the WHL.

    I remain curious about Vollman’s logic.

  43. Ice Sage says:

    mumbai max:
    TSN has Neal on the block if Pitts loses in first round. Eberle and one of the D prospects for Neal?
    Similar career stats, bigger and tougher.

    Eberle with Crosby would… would… haunt us for years. Pitts is the pitts because Fleury

  44. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Sorry… (context… sometimes I forget about it).

    GMoney’s article. I tweeted it to Vollman and GD to see if they had anything to offer.

    To be honest, I’m not sure I follow GD’s point… but I don’t know what “~0.3″ means either… but I thought GMoney might as he seems to get the mathy things.

    FWIW here’s GD’s original article:

    http://www.behindthenet.ca/projecting_to_nhl.php

    he doesn’t seem to weight the OHL above the WHL.

    I remain curious about Vollman’s logic.

    Vollman’s weighting more recent results (as well as older) and puts the OHL ahead of both WHL and QMJHL. The numbers are all in the range, but Rob’s are slightly different based on more recent results skewing.

  45. Rebilled says:

    This Detroit goalie should not win this game and yet, neither should these choking Bruins.

  46. slopitch says:

    I don’t move any of the HEN line or Yak. I’d also keep #3 in case Ekblad slides.

    Once Ekblad goes, the draft will be facinating.

    I’d prob do #3 for Courourier plus but I think the best play is to chase the 3 for 1. Oilers are gonna have a logjam on D. Need to find an elite guy to build around. Someone better then Couburn.

  47. slopitch says:

    Need to upgrade the bottom 9 forwards?

    @NHLexpertpicks: Agent for both Kulemin and Grabovski says they could be a package deal as UFA’s. The duo played together on the #Leafs for 5 years.

  48. AZOIL says:

    Forget Philly, lets see what we can get out of Columbus, I like the way they are playing the Pens. In that kind of market they can’t typically pay their players the big bucks. Who is due for a raise and Columbus likely isn’t rich enough to pay up? Dubinsky would look nice in Oilers Orange and Blue!!!

    What would CBJ want in return for him?

  49. Genjutsu says:

    spoiler:
    Love this article. I’m too phklempt right now to comment further.

    It’s okay.

    We’ll just “talk amongst ourselves”

    :)

  50. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Since you asked:

    1. Trade the pick for either Grigarenko or Strome.
    2. Trade our pick and Yak for Henrique and A. Larsson. Or, trade our pick and Perron or Eberle for Grigarenko and Myers.

    I’m biased to get the 2C solved with the pick. We are tracking on D.

  51. Genjutsu says:

    BTW LT:

    I don’t see your Chicago reasoning. They have two forwards and a backup RFA goalie to sign and 3.5 mil in space at 71 mil cap. None of the those three player is getting much North of a mil IMO.

    Just don’t see why they sell half the shut down pair.

  52. stevezie says:

    Lowetide: If the Flyers offered Couturier and #17 overall (their current draft number this season), what (if anything) would need to be added to satisfy #3?

    Am I misreading, or are you saying you don’t think Couturier/17th is enough for the number 3? I’ll admit I may be the sucker here, but I could be talked into Couturier straight up.

    slopitch: @NHLexpertpicks: Agent for both Kulemin and Grabovski says they could be a package deal as UFA’s. The duo played together on the #Leafs for 5 years.

    Assuming a twitter NHL expert can be trusted, this is the best news the Oilers could be possibly get, isn’t it? Couldn’t we use both guys? This means Gordon is 4th line, but I don’t mind that.

  53. One-Timer says:

    Sharks needed a time-out after that 3rd LA goal.

  54. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    in context this time:

    Romulus’ Apotheosis ‏@RomulusNotNuma 7h
    A very interesting post by GMoney: Draft Success: OHL vs WHL http://sbn.to/1pukTT2 via @CopperandBlue related:
    @robvollmanNHL @behindthenet

    Hawerchuk ‏@behindthenet 2h
    @RomulusNotNuma @CopperandBlue @robvollmanNHL I thought my original NHLE was ~0.3

    Romulus’ Apotheosis ‏@RomulusNotNuma 2h
    @behindthenet here’s your original article: http://www.behindthenet.ca/projecting_to_nhl.php … you don’t seem to weight OHL above WHL to NHL @robvollmanNHL

    Hawerchuk ‏@behindthenet 14m
    @RomulusNotNuma @robvollmanNHL Yeah, the CHL to NHL #s are all 0.3

    Romulus’ Apotheosis ‏@RomulusNotNuma 5m
    @behindthenet is your sense that that is still a viable model, or would you differentiate the leagues more today? @robvollmanNHL

    Hawerchuk ‏@behindthenet 4m
    @RomulusNotNuma @robvollmanNHL I took a 30+ year average, hard to tell in the short term

  55. One-Timer says:

    stevezie,

    I’d be all over that deal too. 3rd pick for a potential Selke nominee… isn’t that what we want that pick to become, anyway? I’m with Well Oiled too: the pivot is a bigger priority than D right now. Trade the pick with parts for a good 2-way C, or take the best C on the board. The UFA market for centers looks like the butcher’s shop at the end of the day.

    Ouch. Maybe Mike Brown pissed off the Kings just a bit too much tonight?

  56. Rondo says:

    Pretty funny, given Kevin Lowe knows winning.

    http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-04-24/smartest-spenders-in-sports-2014

    “Our ranking of all 122 franchises in the NFL, NBA, NHL, and MLB rates teams based on how much they spent in player payroll for every win during the last five seasons. Each team is compared against the average price per win in its league to produce a score we call the efficiency index. The less a team spends compared with its peers, the lower its score. Playoff victories and championships get extra weight. Payroll data come from the best available published sources.*

    Imagine if they took the average of 8 years instead of 5. Oilers finished 2nd last for 5 years.

  57. G Money says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Just catching up. Thanks for the tweeting and retweeting and comments!

    My read of this is that GD’s original CHL->NHL weighting is 0.3, which means my assumptions/numbers that I put in my article are wrong. By the looks of it, what I used is the O/WHL->AHL translations – serves me right for not looking up the original article, I pulled those numbers from a Google search.

    Funny thing is, I only used the GD numbers because I couldn’t find the Vollman numbers, so if you or LT have those, I can update the numbers to use Vollman’s numbers, which do weight the OHL higher than the WHL, which was the basis for the article in the first place. But the rest of the analysis still stands as is, I think.

  58. regwald says:

    Lowetide: Me too. If the Flyers believe Ekblad is the real deal, and we don’t know, they might pay EDM quite a bit to get up to #3. Then, dealing #3 plus something gets them to Ekblad. Maybe a three way deal, lord knows between Snider, Holmgren and Tallon there’s going to be plenty of strutting.

    Do you remember the Philly draft show like the Oil Change where their head scout comes in and changes their list to push up a big tough dman higher in their ratings ? Sorry, can’t remember the details. They did draft Samuel Morin – big dman from the Q.

    If Holmgren has a hard on for Ekblad they will do whatever it takes to make it happen. Simple as that.

  59. One-Timer says:

    regwald:
    If Holmgren has a hard on for Ekblad they will do whatever it takes to make it happen. Simple as that.

    Stan Weir once had a hard on…

  60. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    G Money:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Just catching up.Thanks for the tweeting and retweeting and comments!

    My read of this is that GD’s original CHL->NHL weighting is 0.3, which means my assumptions/numbers that I put in my article are wrong.By the looks of it, what I used is the O/WHL->AHL translations – serves me right for not looking up the original article, I pulled those numbers from a Google search.

    Funny thing is, I only used the GD numbers because I couldn’t find the Vollman numbers, so if you or LT have those, I can update the numbers to use Vollman’s numbers, which do weight the OHL higher than the WHL, which was the basis for the article in the first place.But the rest of the analysis still stands as is, I think.

    no problem.

    If I googled the ≈ symbol earlier I wouldn’t have been so confused (apparently, it means “approx. equal to”)…

    it just scared the hell out of me so I stopped thinking.

    anyway, we’re no closer to sorting out the rationale for Vollman’s distinction. I suspect we’ll just have to read his book!

  61. regwald says:

    Found this brilliant article.

    Old Lowetide

    The Edmonton Oilers back story for the 2013 entry draft is slowing coming into view, and most of it (so far) comes from the hard working cameramen of tsn and some incredible video from the Philadelphia Flyers website. In this video, the Flyers begin the process of reviewing their draft board–which begins with Nurse and Monahan ahead of Samuel Morin but a very unhappy scouting director. He wants to know why Morin (the guy he CLEARLY wants) is behind Monahan and Nurse, and eventually Nurse ends up at #12–a drop of (by my count) 6 spots. GM Paul Holmgren then enters the room, has a look, and says “you guys are fading under the pressure.”

  62. Hammers says:

    Totally agree with trading #3 but not with any of the core . If #3 and Gags could get us the Schenn brothers I would do it . Brayden for #3 & Gags for Luke probably about what Gags is worth and Luke is a #4 “D” with us so a reasonable trade for both teams But it needs to happen before the draft that way Philly can’t wait on Ekblad . In Brayden we get an improvement over Gags who is also younger & in the core age group .Philly may not want to let Brayden go but would let Luke go so overall fair to both teams .Trades only work if both sides see a benefit .

  63. Colieo87 says:

    Ok reading Jason stryears agccessment on the oilers nation.com has me perplexed on his take on the team and reading the comment is always delighting and fascinating just like lowetide © ^ awesome site and many other informative and debating sites. . One comment that stuck with me tonight is comment #41 “bwar” : Oilers nation something to believe in.

    After reading your assessment Struds, wow are we ever a long ways off from being competitive. Basically 8 forwards and 3 defensemen away from being competitive next season. That is a massive portion of the roster.

    I could see Pinizotto being the guy who can rotate in and out of the lineup with Gazdic.

    The defense isn’t getting fixed this season. There doesn’t appear to be any big name UFA’s that will be coming to Edmonton. I expect to see an absurdly young defensive grouping next season.

    The forwards are going to be a tough fix as well. I don’t see Gagner being part of any trade that see a reasonable return coming back to Edmonton. Also, I would be very disappointed to see Yakupov sent out of town for scraps. The trades just seem so far out of Edmonton’s favor that it seems unlikely we are going to head into next season with any meaningful improvement up front.

    Expect another season in the basement.

    My take on this fine chaps input is 90%agreement. If We draft D / C this year where still behind the 8 ball. We have a disastrous second line, a third line that can barely keeps ship straight and defensive so young that they are playing over there heads. The defensive needs more veteran help to push them down the latter and get it proper parrinngs and depth roles. If we draft a D THIS top 3rd draft pick which I really think we are cause of A) free agent defence isn’t really up to sniff this summer. B) defence death is nice but still a work in progress. C) we got plenty of holes still on the roster that needs more TLC. Speaking of TLC next year’s draft is really good and the oilers could be BANKING on McDavid which is great forward for you guessed it rebuild 2.0 cause not very draft there is so much hype for a star center that could be as good if it better then Sidney Crosby. Now it’s just less then one year we watch the basement dwellers to’14 place finishers. Is this the year a super star goes to some struggling market and turn things around. Or. Or. A team that needs to rebuilt it’s draft model. Coincidently over 5 years ago.

  64. 719 says:

    While we are playing armchair GM, I still think the trade partner that makes the most sense is Buffalo.

  65. Woodguy says:

    slopitch:
    Need to upgrade the bottom 9 forwards?

    @NHLexpertpicks: Agent for both Kulemin and Grabovski says they could be a package deal as UFA’s. The duo played together on the #Leafs for 5 years.

    Grabbo as 2C and Kulemin as 3LW solves a lot of problems for the Oilers without giving up any assets.

    A couple high quality Russian speakers (Grabbo was born in Germany, but plays for Belarus internationally) to help young Yak out.

    That makes too much sense to actually happen.

  66. mumbai max says:

    Woodguy: Grabbo as 2C and Kulemin as 3LW solves a lot of problems for the Oilers without giving up any assets.

    A couple high quality Russian speakers (Grabbo was born in Germany, but plays for Belarus internationally) to help young Yak out.

    That makes too much sense to actually happen.

    Doesn’t seem like much of an upgrade at 2C from Gagner. Same size, same kind of numbers, same salary probably. Not sure about his defensive play. Defensively he could not be worse, but this does not seem like a good first option. I guess if they cost only money, and we get a bag of pucks for Gagner, we are up a bag of pucks!

  67. Pouzar says:

    Ice Sage: Eberle with Crosby would… would… haunt us for years.Pitts is the pitts because Fleury

    Playin with Sid, Eberle would make Kunitz look like Gazdic.

  68. Ducey says:

    regwald: Do you remember the Philly draft show like the Oil Change where their head scout comes in and changes their list to push up a big tough dman higher in their ratings ? Sorry, can’t remember the details. They did draft Samuel Morin – big dman from the Q.

    If Holmgren has a hard on for Ekblad they will do whatever it takes to make it happen. Simple as that.

    Why would he wait for him to drop to #3? He would make the trade with BUF or FLA.

  69. Ducey says:

    Pouzar: Playin with Sid, Eberle would make Kunitz look like Gazdic.

    Not to mention that Neal’s boxcars would take a hit coming here

  70. theres oil in virginia says:

    Woodguy,

    Grabo could have signed with the Oil last year. Did MacT not go after him or did Grabo decline? I don’t know how to tell, but maybe we’ll know after this off-season.

  71. Pouzar says:

    mumbai max: Doesn’t seem like much of an upgrade at 2C from Gagner. Same size, same kind of numbers, same salary probably. Not sure about his defensive play. Defensively he could not be worse, but this does not seem like a good first option. I guess if they cost only money, and we get a bag of pucks for Gagner, we are up a bag of pucks!

    Really? They are a wash offensively in the PPG sense but Grabbo was the only guy even sniffing big blue bubbles in WSH this year. If you don’t murder him with crazy zone starts ( see 12/13 season) Grabbo has been a positive possession player in his career. He would be frickin ideal in the 2nd line role here imo. Oh and I’ve seen him good too!

    Get er done MAcT

  72. mumbai max says:

    Ducey: Not to mention that Neal’s boxcars would take ahit coming here

    He would likely play with Hall and Nuge, so I am not sure that would be true.

  73. mumbai max says:

    Pouzar: Really? They are a wash offensively in the PPG sense but Grabbo was the only guy even sniffing big blue bubbles in WSH this year. If you don’t murder him with crazy zone starts ( see 12/13 season) Grabbo has been a positive possession player in his career. He would be frickin ideal in the 2nd line role here imo. Oh and I’ve seen him good too!

    Get er done MAcT

    I thought we were supposed to be getting bigger down the middle?

    Legwand, Stastny, Couturier etc bigger

    He is also 30. Too bad he is not 3 inches taller, 20 pounds heavier and two years younger.

  74. Woodguy says:

    mumbai max,

    Doesn’t seem like much of an upgrade at 2C from Gagner

    Massive upgrade from Gagner.

    Here are Grabbo’s net WOWY this year with everyone +100min together:

    ALZNER, KARL +3.5
    GREEN, MIKE +4.9
    BROUWER, TROY +5.2
    FEHR, ERIC +8.7
    OVECHKIN, ALEX +2
    CHIMERA, JASON +4.2
    WARD, JOEL +5
    ORLOV, DMITRY +10.9
    SCHMIDT, NATE -2.3
    LAICH, BROOKS +0.2
    OLEKSY, STEVE +5.5

    He makes everyone significantly better (except Schmidt)

    He can play tough minutes and he produces at 5v5 well.

    Everyone wants to get bigger at C.

    I just want to get better.

    Gagner’s problem isn’t size. He’s the same size as Crosby and others who are very good NHL players.

    Gagner’s problem is that he doesn’t win battles and he can’t play without the puck.

    I’d even go so far as to say Gagner’s worse without the puck than Yak.

    Sign Grabbo for 2 years, draft Draisitl and re-evaluate in 2 years.

  75. mumbai max says:

    Woodguy:
    mumbai max,

    Doesn’t seem like much of an upgrade at 2C from Gagner

    Massive upgrade from Gagner.

    Here are Grabbo’s net WOWY this year with everyone +100min together:

    ALZNER, KARL +3.5
    GREEN, MIKE +4.9
    BROUWER, TROY +5.2
    FEHR, ERIC +8.7
    OVECHKIN, ALEX +2
    CHIMERA, JASON +4.2
    WARD, JOEL+5
    ORLOV, DMITRY+10.9
    SCHMIDT, NATE-2.3
    LAICH, BROOKS+0.2
    OLEKSY, STEVE+5.5

    He makes everyone significantly better (except Schmidt)

    He can play tough minutes and he produces at 5v5 well.

    Everyone wants to get bigger at C.

    I just want to get better.

    Gagner’s problem isn’t size.He’s the same size as Crosby and others who are very good NHL players.

    Gagner’s problem is that he doesn’t win battles and he can’t play without the puck.

    I’d even go so far as to say Gagner’s worse without the puck than Yak.

    Sign Grabbo for 2 years, draft Draisitl and re-evaluate in 2 years.

    Well, still not my first choice for the short term fix, but I will take you and Maths word for it.

    Better than having Arco there, although that is one small guy I do want on the team, but at 4C.

  76. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy:
    mumbai max,

    Doesn’t seem like much of an upgrade at 2C from Gagner

    Massive upgrade from Gagner.

    Here are Grabbo’s net WOWY this year with everyone +100min together:

    ALZNER, KARL +3.5
    GREEN, MIKE +4.9
    BROUWER, TROY +5.2
    FEHR, ERIC +8.7
    OVECHKIN, ALEX +2
    CHIMERA, JASON +4.2
    WARD, JOEL+5
    ORLOV, DMITRY+10.9
    SCHMIDT, NATE-2.3
    LAICH, BROOKS+0.2
    OLEKSY, STEVE+5.5

    He makes everyone significantly better (except Schmidt)

    He can play tough minutes and he produces at 5v5 well.

    Everyone wants to get bigger at C.

    I just want to get better.

    Gagner’s problem isn’t size.He’s the same size as Crosby and others who are very good NHL players.

    Gagner’s problem is that he doesn’t win battles and he can’t play without the puck.

    I’d even go so far as to say Gagner’s worse without the puck than Yak.

    Sign Grabbo for 2 years, draft Draisitl and re-evaluate in 2 years.

    I agree with you about Gagner being worse without the puck than Yak.

    But I think we need to over pay and give him 3 years to get him here.

  77. Woodguy says:

    Pouzar: I agree with you about Gagner being worse without the puck than Yak.

    But I think we need to over pay and give him 3 years to get him here.

    Seeing as he and Kulimin want to be a package, it may not take an overpay.

    It might.

    They might want to play for a better team.

    They are perfect for the holes on the Oilers.

    I’d prefer ROR, Couturier, Dubinsky and Statsny over Grabbo, but all those cost you something to get.

  78. FastOil says:

    Pouzar: I agree with you about Gagner being worse without the puck than Yak.

    But I think we need to over pay and give him 3 years to get him here.

    As far as I can tell there is room to overpay UFA’s as long as the term isn’t too long. Three years is liveable. The advantage with that is the contracts can be dumped (for less than value or salary held back) if you need out, and since the contracts cost no player assets it isn’t damaging. Perhaps the quality of the roster drops some, but hopefully that contract is being dumped because a young player is better.

    Dumping a highly drafted player (for example Gagner) is damaging because first round draft picks are the life blood of a team in a tough to trade, salary cap league. Good teams see these players become contributors often.

  79. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    mumbai max: Well, still not my first choice for the short term fix

    Sure…

    But we have to confront realities here and not just walk through ideal situations.

    And, Grabo is pretty near ideal depending on the contract. very good player.

  80. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: Seeing as he and Kulimin want to be a package, it may not take an overpay.

    It might.

    They might want to play for a better team.

    They are perfect for the holes on the Oilers.

    I’d prefer ROR, Couturier, Dubinsky and Statsny over Grabbo, but all those cost you something to get.

    MacT seems pretty confident he can sell “we’re going to be good soon” to the free agent market.

    I can’t test that statement until after July 1… but I can at least hope that it is partially true.

    One thing I think I would rely on is this:

    this year many picked us to make the play offs. several holes emerged in our team that were fatal: goaltending; 2C; 3Ws; 1-2D

    We’ve solved G; You two solve 2C and 3W

    Simultaneously add Ekblad or a Fayne or something and Moss/Winnik… and I think you can pitch holes fixed (even if the D still looks very shaky… this is about selling a narrative)

    I think that process… of explaining clearly where the team is at, how x free agent is perfect to fix holes, how you are fixing other holes, etc. is how MacT will approach his courting.

  81. gcw_rocks says:

    Woodguy,
    Seeing as he and Kulimin want to be a package, it may not take an overpay.
    It might.
    They might want to play for a better team.
    They are perfect for the holes on the Oilers.
    I’d prefer ROR, Couturier, Dubinsky and Statsny over Grabbo, but all those cost you something to get

    Exactly! You get those two on the free agent market and you can then invest your trading assets in upgrading the defence. Effective asset management, pure and simple.

  82. G Money says:

    Woodguy: I’d prefer ROR, Couturier, Dubinsky and Statsny over Grabbo, but all those cost you something to get.

    Formally, ROR is an RFA, but thanks to Agent Feaster, his qualifying offer is something close to 7M. Given what Stastny will command, I just don’t think COL signs both – I would bet one of those guys will shake free.

  83. russ99 says:

    I’m very down on a Philly trade.

    Couturier is not someone they’d give up with out a huge overpay, and then it’s not worth it, plus that’s trading skill and quality futures for a better version of a checking forward, which are available in FA every year.

    I’d rather see the Oilers sign Stastny or Grabovski in FA and use the players/picks to get a much better defenseman than Philly can offer.

  84. Truth says:

    Eberle for Couturier

    #3 OV + Gagner for Top 4 D + 1st round pick. I would say Voynov, but I don’t like that trade.

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