OILERS AT DUCKS, G77 13-14

That’s entertainment! The Oilers lost a very entertaining game to the clearly superior San Jose Sharks last night, with the Panacea Line scoring at will. Taylor Hall is a wonderful talent—at 22 years-old he’s a glorious, special player. I have no idea how a hockey fan could resist the force that is Taylor Hall. The power and the glory.

Martin-Marincin-perry nelson usa sportsIn most Oiler games these days, there’s a sequence or two involving Martin Marincin making simple, wonderful defensive players. We all like to see young players enter the league and find their way, and the Oilers past frames the Marincin progression wonderfully. A stark contrast to the litany of lesser defenders, Marincin represents the ‘after’ photo for a (seemingly) myriad blue who were tried and found lacking over these years since 2006 summer.

ROOKIE OILERS BLUE SINCE 2006 SUMMER

  1. Tom Gilbert 07-08: 82, 13-20-33
  2. Justin Schultz 12-13: 48, 8-19-27
  3. Ladislav Smid 06-07: 77, 3-7-10
  4. Jeff Petry 10-11: 35, 1-4-5
  5. Martin Marincin 13-14: 38, 0-4-4
  6. Oscar Klefbom 13-14: 11, 1-2-3
  7. Taylor Chorney 09-10: 42, 0-3-3
  8. Mathieu Roy 06-07: 16, 2-0-2
  9. Taylor Fedun 13-14: 4, 2-0-2
  10. Colten Teubert 11-12: 24, 0-1-1
  11. Danny Syvret 06-07: 16, 0-1-1
  12. Theo Peckham 09-10: 15, 0-1-1
  13. Alex Plante 09-10: 4, 0-1-1
  14. Bryan Young 06-07: 15, 0-0-0
  15. Shawn Belle 10-11: 5, 0-0-0
  16. Brad Hunt 13-14: 4, 0-0-0
  17. Sebastian Bisaillon 06-07: 2, 0-0-0

That’s over eight seasons, so about two a year. Question: how many had a better 38 game debut than Marincin? I’ll give you Justin Schultz, although in a completely different way.

MARTIN MARINCIN PLAYER CARD

marincin player card april 2If this Oiler team hand picked a defenseman debut ideally suited to the needs of this team, young Marincin might be the guy. Now, we shouldn’t expect a repeat next season because history tells us defensemen don’t develop in a a straight line. However, on this day, Marincin represents hope for the future and a day when Edmonton dissolves sorties in a heartbeat.

chase profileLost in all the signings and recalls is the tryout for Greg Chase. It’s unusual for a player with junior eligibility to play in the AHL at all, and highly unusual for a teenager to have a Jordan Eberle experience at that level. I don’t know if he’ll play, but it’s a nice compliment to the young man. I still have no idea how he lasted until the 7th round in 2013.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

blunt3310 this morning, TSN 1260. Lots of chatter, scheduled to appear:

  • Ryan Batty, Copper and Blue: We’ll talk about last night’s game, the top 25 under 25 finally getting an update, and the blue.
  • Ryan Pike, Flames Nation: We’ll talk about the Flames future, and what they might do at the draft.
  • Scott Cullen, TSN: Baseball, hockey, advanced stats and their relationship to Leafs fans in the last two seasons.
  • Harrison Mooney, Pass it to Bulis and Puck Daddy. The Canucks are bringing the crazy, we’ll talk to Harrison about it.
  • Paul Almeida, Saturday Sports Extra. He’ll see Real Madrid later today, and will check in just before game time.

10-1260 on text, twitter @Lowetide_. Rock it!

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  1. spoiler says:

    Bag of Pucks: Eakins’ talked about pairs at the beginning of the season.

    It has always been about pairs for me, since the beginning of time. This approach was learned from Jim Fleming, but reinforced by Gretzky/Kurri, Messier/Anderson and other such pairings where the 3rd linemate was plug and play.

    I’ve wanted to give Jim a plug on this blog for a long time, and today’s the day. He’s being inducted into the Alberta Hockey Hall of Fame this year:

    http://www.hockeyalberta.ca/index.php/ci_id/201417/la_id/1/

    Congrats, Jim! And thanks for everything you taught me.

    He’s very approachable, LT, and would make a great guest on your show, especially if you wanted to analyze gameplay. For eg, swarm vs. man D.

  2. oliveoilers says:

    RexLibris: …and that is what I, personally, love about it.

    We’ve got statistical evaluation debates, Crimea/Yanukovych comments, and then Bruce and Rom (two of my favourites amongst an all-star cast) waxing their moons for the win.

    I could probably forgo 98% of the information superhighway (anybody remember when that was a thing?) for this picturesque little side avenue of debate, dialogue and…uh, darn it I can’t think of another “d” word for the alliteration hat-trick.

    Diatribe?

  3. icecastles says:

    hunter1909: Knowing very little about history in the eastern part of Europe, Crimea never looked particularly Ukrainian to me to start with.
    Incredible, being able to take to the streets and kick out a corrupt leader. Just like that!

    I won’t totally threadjack here, but I’ll share a few things:

    You’re right about Crimea being not particularly Ukrainian. There is a very large ethnic Russian population there, and there Soviet stars and the hammer and sickle still show up on almost every government building. Although they are really closer to being different dialects than different languages, you won’t get far speaking Ukrainian there. It’s almost exclusively Russian that’s spoken. The language doesn’t automatically mean it is pro-Russian (Russia gambled and lost thinking Russian-speaking eastern Ukraine would try to follow suit allowing for annexation of Donetsk Oblast), but in Crimea, the overlap is considerable.

    My experience in pre-annexation Crimea (which was already semi-autonomous and had its own independent parliament) was that the separatist elements there were more interested in full independence than they were in Russian annexation, but were fully aware that they possessed almost none of the infrastructure or resources for such a thing to be possible.

    However, It hasn’t always been thus. The Crimean Tatars, who are deeply and passionately Ukrainian were deported to the Gulags en masse by Stalin during his reign, in what could easily be considered an ethnic cleansing (and was in fact studied by the Nazis when they were assessing their options for a “final solution” to the “Jewish problem.” After Ukrainian independence, many Tatars finally were able to return to Ukraine, but it has been forcibly repopulated with Russians. So while it is predominantly Russian, the story is a bit more convoluted than it first appears.

    Secondly, while mostly bloodless until February 22, Euromaidan was an extraordinarily trying time for Kyiv and for the country as a whole. It was nearly four months with a lot of miserable, miserable crap that happened before Yanukovych’s eventual fleeing of the country and it’s not over yet. Nezelezhnosti is still occupied and will be until the conclusion of the elections on May 26th. The barricades remain up, the tents are still occupied, and the protesters encamped still smell really, really bad.

    People there know rebuilds don’t always work and that while Ukraine has drafted some excellent politicians and there’s hope for the future (Yatseniuk in particular is a first-round draftee who is showing excellent defensive skills and thinks the game quite well), there are a lot of ways to screw up development, and the wrong supporting cast can still mess things up entirely. the nation needs a strong coach and there are some serious entitlement issues that need to be worked out among the young stars of the Verkovna Rada.

    Plus with the Russian threat and the severe financial crisis facing the country, there is a lot of fear that if handled poorly, five years from now it’s not outside the realm of possibility that the country could be broken up with the majority being moved to a more lucrative market, leaving fans with nothing.

    Hmm. I think I may have crossed my narratives a bit here.

  4. Bag of Pucks says:

    Ducey: I am not so sure about Yak’s shot.He has been set up many times this season but has hardly ever got off what I would call a “wicked shot” or decent one timer.This was one the goals of the PP for awhile but he could not get off the shot regularly so they went away from it.

    I think this is one of the things he needs to learn.Unlike Ovi or Stamkos, who seem to be able to get a one timer off at will, Yak has a lot of trouble with his balance, angles and timing still.He struggles to find the soft spot in the zone to get open too.

    Its one thing to let a blistering shot go in warmup, its another to do it when the pass is in your skates or you are being harassed by a Dman.

    This is one of the things that gives me hope as when he masters this he will definitely be a weapon.

    To be fair, getting ‘their shot off’ at the right time is something a lot of young men struggle with.

  5. sliderule says:

    After reading all the posts on this thread I have decided to start drinking earlier than usual.

  6. book¡je says:

    Wow, I simply can’t believe this. Its April, the team has had no chance of the playoffs for 6 months (66 months really, but that is a different story) and there are more than 200 comments here at 4pm in the afternoon.

    Something is really wrong with us Oilers fans…

  7. spoiler says:

    Ducey: I am not so sure about Yak’s shot. He has been set up many times this season but has hardly ever got off what I would call a “wicked shot” or decent one timer. This was one the goals of the PP for awhile but he could not get off the shot regularly so they went away from it.

    I think this is one of the things he needs to learn. Unlike Ovi or Stamkos, who seem to be able to get a one timer off at will, Yak has a lot of trouble with his balance, angles and timing still. He struggles to find the soft spot in the zone to get open too.

    Its one thing to let a blistering shot go in warmup, its another to do it when the pass is in your skates or you are being harassed by a Dman.

    This is one of the things that gives me hope as when he masters this he will definitely be a weapon.

    Yak failed for me when Gazdic beat him in the hardest shots competition. We are playing the wrong player in the one-timer hole on the powerplay! I blame you and your arrogance, Eakins!

  8. icecastles says:

    Andy P: “is a “viscous ad hominem” attack” sounds like a prostate exam of some sort…..

    This is why we need Chase. Team needs more assholes. Or was it dicks? Time to watch Team America again.

  9. RexLibris says:

    oliveoilers,

    Yeah, but I’d already used discussion and there’s no sense in being superfluously redundant, is there?

  10. icecastles says:

    book¡je: Wow, I simply can’t believe this. Its April, the team has had no chance of the playoffs for 6 months (66 months really, but that is a different story) and there are more than 200 comments here at 4pm in the afternoon.
    Something is really wrong with us Oilers fans…

    There is a fine, fine line between having the best fans in hockey, and the most thick-skulled.

    And let me just reiterate a few other posters in saying this is the most enjoyable thread we’ve had in some weeks. Maybe it will help us to forget there’s one of those distracting “game” things tonight.

  11. RexLibris says:

    sliderule:
    After reading all the posts on this thread I have decided to start drinking earlier than usual.

    I think that is what has caused some of the posts on this thread.

    Isn’t it magnificent!

  12. RexLibris says:

    icecastles: There is a fine, fine line between having the best fans in hockey, and the most thick-skulled.

    And let me just reiterate a few other posters in saying this is the most enjoyable thread we’ve had in some weeks. Maybe it will help us to forget there’s one of those distracting “game” things tonight.

    Wait. There’s a game tonight? My calendar reads “scheduled execution”. Must’ve copied that down wrong.

  13. TheOtherJohn says:

    CurtisS:
    Ok I broke down the line combos

    We wont add the first 2 games as Nuge wasnt available.

    2 games together record 1-1
    17 games apart record 4-13
    10 games together record 5-5
    5 games apart record 2-3
    4 games together record 0-4
    6 games apart record 2-4
    3 games together record 2-1
    3 games apart record 0-3
    8 games together record 4-4
    14 games apart record 6-8
    2 games together record 0-2

    74 + 2 that I left out at start of the year.

    29 games together out of a possible 74 games. record is 12-17
    the 45 games they havent played together their record is 14-31

    Crazy they have only played 29 games together thats no half the season.

    No loser points added in this

    Curtiss

    DId you look at the quality of opponent on the games they played together? It would be interesting to see if Eakins played them against the best teams

  14. spoiler says:

    RexLibris: oliveoilers, Yeah, but I’d already used discussion and there’s no sense in being superfluously redundant, is there?

    So “drunkenness” then?

  15. book¡je says:

    icecastles,

    Your twisting of narratives was fantastic there! As per Crimea there are two separate issues that people are confusing (not you – just some people online and in the media in general – also Dianne Feinstein) . (A) Do Crimeans want to be part of Russia? and (B) Is it acceptable in Europe for a country to send an army into part of another country and claim it as their own territory?

    In any case, from the little I know (and I know little about the specifics), it would seem to me that the Ukraine is probably better off without Crimea and that Crimea is probably better off with Russia. In almost every aspect Russia is the big loser in this situation, not only have they lost 90% of the Ukraine which they held pretty solid sway over a few months ago (politically and economically) but they now are stuck with the 10% of the Ukraine that requires the most economic support. The ~70% of Russians in Russia who are supporting Putin in this instance are like the NHL fans who are thrilled that their team’s player just won a fight when their team is losing 6-1 and out of the playoffs.

    Furthermore, I would add that Putin loses again because he just invested $50 billion in the Sochi region with the grand plan that it will become a major tourist destination for Europe. While it was unlikely to work out well for Sochi and Russia to begin with, this makes it almost certain to fail.

  16. CurtisS says:

    book¡je:
    Wow, I simply can’t believe this.Its April, the team has had no chance of the playoffs for 6 months (66 months really, but that is a different story) and there are more than 200 comments here at 4pm in the afternoon.

    Something is really wrong with us Oilers fans…

    Spring fever?

  17. RexLibris says:

    icecastles,

    On Ukraine:

    Good points all.

    The narrative that Crimea “was” Russian all along needs to be set in the context of how exactly that came to be. The Tatar clearing is a significant part of that.

    An incongruous comparison is the threat of Quebec separating from Canada and how much of that land is treaty land or the property of “the Crown” and as such not clearly the jurisdiction of the provincial government?

    The Ukraine situation is an absolutely fascinating case study for geopolitical maneuvering and strategy. There are so many inherited cultural and political storylines at play here that I think very few people, even those advising the decision-makers today, can fully grasp all the details.

    I wonder what Francis Fukuyama would have to say about the Ukraine drama.

  18. RexLibris says:

    spoiler: So “drunkenness” then?

    Drinking was a candidate, but we hadn’t broached the topic of liquid intoxicants just yet (for the record, I’ve guessing the middle of the 2nd period is when that comes up) and I wanted to steer away from it unless it had been directly mentioned.

  19. spoiler says:

    RexLibris: Drinking was a candidate, but we hadn’t broached the topic of liquid intoxicants just yet (for the record, I’ve guessing the middle of the 2nd period is when that comes up) and I wanted to steer away from it unless it had been directly mentioned.

    Divination. With 20/20 hindsight, of course.

  20. icecastles says:

    book¡je: In any case, from the little I know (and I know little about the specifics), it would seem to me that the Ukraine is probably better off without Crimea and that Crimea is probably better off with Russia. In almost every aspect Russia is the big loser in this situation, not only have they lost 90% of the Ukraine which they held pretty solid sway over a few months ago (politically and economically) but they now are stuck with the 10% of the Ukraine that requires the most economic support. The ~70% of Russians in Russia who are supporting Putin in this instance are like the NHL fans who are thrilled that their team’s player just won a fight when their team is losing 6-1 and out of the playoffs.

    Ukraine is better off without Crimea… this is relatively true. Crimea is a resource poor region that has to import everything from water to gas to electricity from mainland Ukraine. Additionally, it is a very right-leaning area that looks back fondly on the Soviet era (admittedly this is primarily if not almost exclusively the older generation). As such, parties like the Party of Regions end up with strong representation in the Rada (parliament), skewing bias and making it harder for the nation to make progressive decisions.

    As to Crimea being better off with Russia, I don’t believe so. The way it was before, they had most of the benefits of Russian participation already, being a major naval base and vacation spot – there was plenty of Russian investment in tourism there, one of the few bright spots on a nightmarishly bad economy (for anyone interested, I’ll send you some photos I took in Sevastopol and throughtout Crimea. it’s a crappy, crappy corner of the world).

    Now, they are going to have to buy almost all their resources (power, water, gas etc) from a foreign country and the rates aren’t going to be kind. The hit to tourism is going to further damage their economy. People of every stripe and nationality are going to be staying away from such a volatile place for a long time. Russians will go to nearby Sochi; Ukrainians will go to nearby Odessa.

    Perhaps most significantly, Crimeans are about to discover how incredibly restrictive their media is about to become. State-controlled Ukrainian media was restricitve and biased, but it was improving. Under Russian rule, independent stations and new sources have already been blocked or shut down. Ironically the freedom of expression (perverted to a cause as it was) that allowed them to ‘cecede’ is going to be entirely stamped out. Indeed, much of it has been already.

    I should point out, it’s just “Ukraine.” “The Ukraine” was the title when it was a Soviet state, so is a really incendiary term to most Ukrainians. Like spelling it “Kiev” (Russian transliteration) instead of the proper “Kyiv” (Ukrainian transliteration).

  21. hunter1909 says:

    icecastles,

    Ukrainians seem extremely intelligent. The best farmland in the world, plus the women are drop dead on the spot, crazy hot.

    It’s outstanding material for a thriving nation.

    To continue your hockey analogy, I hope Ukraine turns out like the 2013-14 Colorado Avalanche.

    Yanukovych already stole the Oilers parallel – using corruption, incompetence, secrecy, fake accountability, threats, nepotism, plus bad haircuts at the highest levels.

  22. icecastles says:

    RexLibris: An incongruous comparison is the threat of Quebec separating from Canada and how much of that land is treaty land or the property of “the Crown” and as such not clearly the jurisdiction of the provincial government?

    I wrote an article about this for the Kyiv Post not too long ago. Then Russia invaded and fucked everything up with the publishing date. Couldn’t have waited another week, eh Putin? Couldn’t let my fucking cover story run? Fucker.

  23. oliveoilers says:

    icecastles: I wrote an article about this for the Kyiv Post not too long ago. Then Russia invaded and fucked everything up with the publishing date. Couldn’t have waited another week, eh Putin? Couldn’t let my fucking cover story run? Fucker.

    Putin called, he said “why you heff to be mad?” Wouldn’t be surprised if Yakupov’s at the bottom of this….

  24. icecastles says:

    hunter1909: plus the women are drop dead on the spot, crazy hot.

    Don’t I know it.

  25. VanOil says:

    Amused by today’s thread and looking to learn from it.

    By adding CF% + Zone starts + Quality of Comp and little Corsi Rel to account for piss poor or really good teams seems to give you a pretty good view of the Quality of a Forward.

    With Defenders it does not seem to give the full picture. As yet I have not found a definitive secret sauce combination of stats I am willing to go with. There seems to be a weaker (but still there) correlation with Defenders quality and Corsi. GAA relying on the very unreliable SV% is not the answer. So what is? What can be added to the secret sauce above that will allow us to fully access a Defenders quality?

    Recently I was looking at comparing zone starts versus zone finishes for Defenders. I thought I was on to something. If the Dman mainly started in his own zone then finished his shift in the good half of the ice it would seem he was tilting the ice the correct way. But both Keith and Seabrook have a -5% differential and they look like pretty good defenders so it not passing the mustard as a stat for me. A Defenders ice time is a pretty good indication of having the coaches trust but coaches can be idiots. Anyways I am open to suggestions.

  26. prairieschooner says:

    Is there a stat that gives the Oilers likelihood of picking 1st overall based upon games remaining
    What an embarrassing moment that will be
    “For the 4th time in the last 5years selecting 1 st overall the Edmonton Oilers are proud to select
    (……….)
    I wonder if they will sit at the table going “You go up ” no “You go up”

  27. denny33 says:

    Ducey,

    I am not so sure about Yak’s shot. He has been set up many times this season but has hardly ever got off what I would call a “wicked shot” or decent one timer. This was one the goals of the PP for awhile but he could not get off the shot regularly so they went away from it.
    I think this is one of the things he needs to learn. Unlike Ovi or Stamkos, who seem to be able to get a one timer off at will, Yak has a lot of trouble with his balance, angles and timing still. He struggles to find the soft spot in the zone to get open too.
    Its one thing to let a blistering shot go in warmup, its another to do it when the pass is in your skates or you are being harassed by a Dman.
    This is one of the things that gives me hope as when he masters this he will definitely be a weapon.
    ***************************************************************************
    Fair comment and I agree…a few whiffs this year and just some outright misses.

    However, I think I am a glass half full kind of guy , and I still think he has one of the best releases in the game.

    No question, he needs to develop and learn and there still appears to be something to the sophmore jinx.

  28. book¡je says:

    icecastles: Ukraine is better off without Crimea… this is relatively true. Crimea is a resource poor region that has to import everything from water to gas to electricity from mainland Ukraine. Additionally, it is a very right-leaning area that looks back fondly on the Soviet era (admittedly this is primarily if not almost exclusively the older generation). As such, parties like the Party of Regions end up with strong representation in the Rada (parliament), skewing bias and making it harder for the nation to make progressive decisions.

    As to Crimea being better off with Russia, I don’t believe so. The way it was before, they had most of the benefits of Russian participation already, being a major naval base and vacation spot – there was plenty of Russian investment in tourism there, one of the few bright spots on a nightmarishly bad economy (for anyone interested, I’ll send you some photos I took in Sevastopol and throughtout Crimea. it’s a crappy, crappy corner of the world).

    Now, they are going to have to buy almost all their resources (power, water, gas etc) from a foreign country and the rates aren’t going to be kind. The hit to tourism is going to further damage their economy. People of every stripe and nationality are going to be staying away from such a volatile place for a long time. Russians will go to nearby Sochi; Ukrainians will go to nearby Odessa.

    Perhaps most significantly, Crimeans are about to discover how incredibly restrictive their media is about to become. State-controlled Ukrainian media was restricitve and biased, but it was improving. Under Russian rule, independent stations and new sources have already been blocked or shut down. Ironically the freedom of expression (perverted to a cause as it was) that allowed them to ‘cecede’ is going to be entirely stamped out. Indeed, much of it has been already.

    I should point out, it’s just “Ukraine.” “The Ukraine” was the title when it was a Soviet state, so is a really incendiary term to most Ukrainians. Like spelling it “Kiev” (Russian transliteration) instead of the proper “Kyiv” (Ukrainian transliteration).

    Thanks – It’s funny, I didn’t even notice I was writing “the Ukraine” as opposed to Ukraine. Your points make sense regarding Crimea’s situation. In the very short term, I imagine that Putin will direct a lot of money (or more accurately promises of money) towards Crimea, but that will fade far faster than any return of tourism.

  29. cabbiesmacker says:

    hunter1909:
    icecastles,

    Ukrainians seem extremely intelligent, plus the women are drop dead on the spot, crazy hot until their beards come in at 30

    Fixed it for you and you’re welcome

  30. delooper says:

    book¡je: Thanks – It’s funny, I didn’t even notice I was writing “the Ukraine” as opposed to Ukraine.Your points make sense regarding Crimea’s situation.In the very short term, I imagine that Putin will direct a lot of money (or more accurately promises of money) towards Crimea, but that will fade far faster than any return of tourism.

    Putin could have saved a lot of time and money if he just held the Olympics in Crimea.

  31. Doc Savage says:

    Quick article:

    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/02/hall-oilers-have-let-everyone-including-ourselves-down/

    There’s something about Eakins comments from earlier that are mentioned in this article that seems to rub me the wrong way:

    “There’s this misconception about this team that it is an offensive skilled team. We’re not,” he said, per the Edmonton Journal. “We have some players who have skill, but the last four or five years this team has been bottom five or six in shots and basically 26th in scoring … this is not a high-powered offensive team.”

    I know the stats do back this assertion up, but I think there’s something in the writer’s comments that resonates:

    “It’s hard decipher what Eakins is doing here. Some of his explanation could be simply to save face, as if to suggest the team’s lacklustre offense isn’t on him or his preferred style of play.”

    Taking into account the types of Marlie players Eakins has been attempting to add to the mix over the year, I get the impression that his view of the team he wants is very different than the philosophy on how it has been built.

  32. Lloyd B. says:

    RexLibris: Indeed it does. But at least it sounds like they used some lubricant.

    As Brent Butt once said, that is not a procedure that should require the Doctor to remove his watch like he’s going after the last pickle in the jar.

    As a guy going for that particular test tomorrow I really must take issue with your comment and the visual. Thanks for this, :)

  33. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers old boys ducking and diving to keep Katz quiet remind me of the scene in Kubricks “The Killing” where Stirling Hayden’s character is almost pissing on the floor to buy an airplane ticket before the cops bust him and his suitcase full of racetrack money.

    memo to K Lowe: Avoid fat women holding small dogs.

  34. icecastles says:

    book¡je: Thanks – It’s funny, I didn’t even notice I was writing “the Ukraine” as opposed to Ukraine. Your points make sense regarding Crimea’s situation. In the very short term, I imagine that Putin will direct a lot of money (or more accurately promises of money) towards Crimea, but that will fade far faster than any return of tourism.

    It will. Crimea is Ukraine’s Jason Bonsignore.

    The real prize for Russia was eastern Ukraine. That’s where the mines and raw material are, as well as the manufacturing base. The way I see it is this:

    Putin has said in the past that he doesn’t consider Ukraine as a “real country” and it’s no great secret that he wants to rebuild the empire of his days as a KGB officer. With the destabilization in Ukraine brought about by Euromaidan, he saw an opportunity to seize upon Ukraine’s temporary weakness by stirring up the already existing anger in pro-Russian areas, which he did extensively, via various means. This opened a window to take Crimea.

    However, Crimea was the means, not the end. The idea would be to take Crimea as a ‘defensive’ measure to to amass enough troops and create enough tension and antagonism that two things happen:
    (1) Someone somewhere lashes out and does something stupid. All it takes is a single gunshot against a Russian soldier (sorry. “Crimean self-defense force”) to justify a proper invasion in the pretext of further self-defense.
    (2) (and this is what they were really really hoping would happen) Pro-Russian demonstrations would spread across Donetsk and Karkhiv at which point Putin could make the same claims he did in Crimea and take eastern Ukraine (it’s no accident there were 60,000 troops parked on the border across from those cities).

    Eastern Ukraine gives Russia much-needed resources that right now it has to import. It also is a big enough part of the Ukrainian economy that without it, Ukraine’s economy would collapse within a year or two, and Ukraine as a nation would cease to exist.

    Thankfully discipline was maintained in Crimea and the pro-Russian sentiment in the east wasn’t even remotely strong enough for the demonstrations there to hit any sort of critical mass.

    So now Russia is saddled with Crimea and doesn’t get the economic or strategic prize they were really after. It’s like winning a pike of chips then the casino closes.

  35. Marcus Oilerius says:

    book¡je,

    Putin didn’t invest $50B in Sochi.

    He indebted the Russian people by $50B so that his oligarch friends could skim off the top of what would otherwise be a $5B Olympic event.

    Second, it’s not so much that a European country violated borders, as it is Russia breaking its treaty with the Ukraine, US, and UK that it would not violate Ukraine’s sovereignty, in return for Ukraine giving up its nukes as it did in the early 90s. This is much more serious and is what is embroiling the US in the current situation.

    What surprises me is the idiotic and short-sighted attitude the Germans are showing the situation.

  36. Woodguy says:

    Mesmer:
    Woodguy,

    While I agree that ONSV% is entirely based on luck, would it not be more useful to use GAA/60 * ONSV% than to use either stat individually? (I am well aware that you despise both stats)

    Depends on what you are trying to measure.

    If its defensive ability I like to look at CA/60, SA/60 or FA/60.

    Corsi Against, Shots Against, Fenwick Against.

  37. delooper says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    book¡je,
    What surprises me is the idiotic and short-sighted attitude the Germans are showing the situation.

    That probably shouldn’t be a surprise. Germany has strong trade ties with Russia. It does not with Ukraine. Germany is a pacifist country nowadays, and it is primarily keen on keeping its economy running smoothly. For Germany to act differently, it would need a way to both (1) not require Russian gas and oil imports and (2) for its companies to be able to easily find other countries to sell its products to. (1) is fairly manageable, but even then would require some time, money and strategy. In today’s economy (2) is more tricky.

  38. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Woodguy,

    Given some of Yakupov’s miscues this season (especially that Ovechkin goal) is it fair to say that SV% is purely luck?

  39. Woodguy says:

    CurtisS: Sorry I wasnt talking a investment. I was talking just straight funds. I know all about investments.

    You and woodguy said the left over % are just noise and ignored. Lets compare them to cents. When them cents become part of 17% why ignore them? Thats way to large of a % to get a accurate number especially when your talking about using that math for 75 days/games.

    Anyways I’m not arguing on the subject no more. We will just agree to disagree.

    The left over 17% is noise because you will have about 200 different line combinations that each account for less than 1% of TOI each.

    You can’t tell anything from such small samples, so you ignore it.

    Its noise in that it doesn’t give you information that has any relevance of terms of who plays with who.

    If you want to see who plays with who in terms of pairs, the best site is stats.hockeyanalysis.com

    Like this list of Hall’s most common line mates: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1341&withagainst=true&season=2013-14&sit=5v5

  40. Lowetide says:

    OKC Barons Gameday ‏@BaronsGameDay 36s

    Tonight’s #OKCBarons scratches: Craig, Winquist, R. Hamilton, Pinizzotto, Horak, Kessy, Arcobello, Holmberg, MacIntyre, Grebeshkov, Osterle.

  41. Andy P says:

    Doc Savage:
    Quick article:

    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/02/hall-oilers-have-let-everyone-including-ourselves-down/

    There’s something about Eakins comments from earlier that are mentioned in this article that seems to rub me the wrong way:

    “There’s this misconception about this team that it is an offensive skilled team. We’re not,” he said, per the Edmonton Journal. “We have some players who have skill, but the last four or five years this team has been bottom five or six in shots and basically 26th in scoring … this is not a high-powered offensive team.”

    I know the stats do back this assertion up, but I think there’s something in the writer’s comments that resonates:

    “It’s hard decipher what Eakins is doing here. Some of his explanation could be simply to save face, as if to suggest the team’s lacklustre offense isn’t on him or his preferred style of play.”

    Taking into account the types of Marlie players Eakins has been attempting to add to the mix over the year, I get the impression that his view of the team he wants is very different than the philosophy onhow it has been built.

    Guess who is the constant over the last 4 or 5 years? Our esteemed non-Offensive coach Bucky!!!!!

  42. Woodguy says:

    Acumen,

    If Subban is a man on the move this summer then I hope MacT is very very loud in Bergevin’s ear. He would be that mythical #1 D that never shakes loose people are always talking about.

    We need to sacrfice something/one to the relevant Hockey Gords to get Subban here.

  43. Woodguy says:

    vangolf: As someone who doesn’t have a dog in this fight, this whole comment section comes off as very HF Board-ish.I’ll chalk it up to a frustrating season taking its toll, but mutual respect and, by extension this site, took a blow today.

    I’m sorry.

    I can be a dick.

    I really tried, but man……

  44. hunter1909 says:

    Marcus Oilerius: Second, it’s not so much that a European country violated borders, as it is Russia breaking its treaty with the Ukraine, US, and UK that it would not violate Ukraine’s sovereignty, in return for Ukraine giving up its nukes as it did in the early 90s. This is much more serious and is what is embroiling the US in the current situation.
    What surprises me is the idiotic and short-sighted attitude the Germans are showing the situation.

    A bit on the idiotic side to hand over nukes in exchange of “guarantees”, imo. Particularly in the case of the UK and USA, who have zero real actual interests in Ukraine. Since Kerry enjoys making a fool of himself with his WW2 constant comparisons, those guarantees remind me of 1939 Poland.

    Now that the WW2 generation is all but gone, and the yuppie generation who today run the west increasingly like Ming Dynasty China, Cold War rhetoric has about as true a resonance as fucking wind chimes at 7am.

  45. Woodguy says:

    VOR,

    . In fact, it is hard to believe that 17% of all line combinations go missing and it doesn’t matter.

    Its easy if you try – John Lennon

  46. Younger Oil says:

    Lowetide:
    OKC Barons Gameday ‏@BaronsGameDay 36s

    Tonight’s #OKCBarons scratches: Craig, Winquist, R. Hamilton, Pinizzotto, Horak, Kessy, Arcobello, Holmberg, MacIntyre, Grebeshkov, Osterle.

    Wow that seems like a very depleted lineup! Do you know where Chase and Khaira are slotting in on the depth chart, and who they are playing with tonight?

  47. Andy P says:

    hunter1909: A bit on the idiotic side to hand over nukes in exchange of “guarantees”, imo. Particularly in the case of the UK and USA, who have zero real actual interests in Ukraine. Since Kerry enjoys making a fool of himself with his WW2 constant comparisons, those guarantees remind me of 1939 Poland.

    Now that the WW2 generation is all but gone, and the yuppie generation who today run the west increasingly like Ming Dynasty China, Cold War rhetoric has about as true a resonance as fucking wind chimes at 7am.

    What about the fact that Russia’s gas lines run through Ukraine? Is that a bargaining chip or does it put Russia at risk?

  48. Younger Oil says:

    Sorry decided not to be lazy and answer my own question haha!

    Tonight’s #OKCBarons lines > Fyten-Stretch-A. Miller; Eager-Khaira-C. Hamilton; Combs-Lavoie-Ford; G. Miller-Ewanyk-Chase.

  49. icecastles says:

    Marcus Oilerius: Second, it’s not so much that a European country violated borders, as it is Russia breaking its treaty with the Ukraine, US, and UK that it would not violate Ukraine’s sovereignty, in return for Ukraine giving up its nukes as it did in the early 90s. This is much more serious and is what is embroiling the US in the current situation.

    Russia’s signature on the 1994 treaty was token. Nobody took that signature seriously then, and nobody does now. The UK’s extremely tepid response (most of Russia’s international banking is funneled through London) was deeply disappointing, however.

    The jury’s still out on whether the nukes issue is a red herring, as it’s hard to imagine Ukraine was going to unleash nuclear warheads on Russia in retaliation. A weapon you don’t use and can’t use isn’t much of a weapon. The argument is certainly being used as leverage, but I”m unconvinced it holds a lot of water.

    Furthermore, if Ukraine had not surrendered its nuclear arsenal in the early 1990s, it in all likelihood would have been viewed as a rogue state and the entire last 20 years would likely have been completely rewritten to such an extent that the current scenario would never have happened.

  50. hunter1909 says:

    Andy P: What about the fact that Russia’s gas lines run through Ukraine? Is that a bargaining chip or does it put Russia at risk?

    Sounds more like a rope hanging around Ukraine’s neck. And unless they’re careful(I’m certain they are)a very cold EU next winter.

  51. Woodguy says:

    OilClog,

    They have not been “together” pretty much throughout the year.

    You are correct.

    That is not what I wrote.

    I wrote (and you quoted right above your post…..lordy)

    I pointed out that they were the line that was together most throughout the year.

    They……were……the……line……that…..was……together…..most…..throughout…….the……..year.

    If you bring up the Oiler’s line combinations, they were together more than any other line.

    They were the line that was together most throughout the year.

    Man.

  52. icecastles says:

    hunter1909: Cold War rhetoric has about as true a resonance as fucking wind chimes at 7am.

    I’m guessing you’ve not spent much time in Eastern Europe. You’d be hard-pressed over there to convince yourself the cold war is over at all and in a lot of border areas, it really isn’t. We in the West seem to think that because the nukes are no longer pointed at us, that they’re not pointed at anyone.

    Andy P: What about the fact that Russia’s gas lines run through Ukraine? Is that a bargaining chip or does it put Russia at risk?

    It’s a point of contention to be sure. Ukraine owes billions to Gazprom, but Gazprom needs Ukraine’s infrastructure to move their product. It’s also a reason that Russia has to be very, very careful about what they do in mainland Ukraine. Putin has a lot of power, but he rules at the pleasure of the oligarchs, not the electorate and ruining their cash flow will not put him in good standing.

    It’s also why the international community is using targeted sanctions rather than broad sanctions (though policy analysts have been saying for decades that targeted sanctions are the only kind that are going to have a meaningful impact in the nations against which they’re applied).

  53. hunter1909 says:

    icecastles: The UK’s extremely tepid response (most of Russia’s international banking is funneled through London

    Think of the UK as the world’s leading fence, and swag house. Makes everything easy.

    Last time I looked, they’re more concerned that Russians have(alarmingly) cut down their purchases of Mayfair luxury goods.

  54. icecastles says:

    Woodguy: They were the line that was together most throughout the year.

    So you’re saying they have been together all year?
    How come you’re not willing to back that up by showing their GAA?

    (runs away giggling and dodging Woodguy’s gunfire)

  55. icecastles says:

    hunter1909: Think of the UK as the world’s leading fence, and swag house. Makes everything easy.
    Last time I looked, they’re more concerned that Russians have(alarmingly) cut down their purchases of Mayfair luxury goods.

    Yup, yup, and yup.

  56. Woodguy says:

    godot10,

    The Oilers have not run any consistent line this year. To say that there has been any consistent intention to play Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, and Eberle together this year is somewhat absurd.

    I don’t think anyone has said there has been consistent intention to play those 3 together.

    I would say there has been consistent intention to *not* play those 3 together.

    They are still the trio that has been together the most this year.

  57. hunter1909 says:

    icecastles: (runs away giggling and dodging Woodguy’s gunfire)

    That’s Leadguy. Woodguy prefers baseball bats and 2 by 4′s to dish out retribution.

  58. Woodguy says:

    VOR,

    You are assuming you understand why it is missing and how the 17% would be distributed.

    Hi Vor,

    I know that site well as I wager in fantasy hockey and use that site to see how my players are being used.

    Its always sorts from top down in terms of % together.

    It has been mentioned about 5 times in this thread, but I’ll mention it again.

    The other 17% is made up of line combos that are together for very, very short periods of time.

    They used to put all the line combos up and it really did scroll many pages and the majority of those pages looked like:

    EBERLE-GORDON-JOESNSUU .932%

    There would be a long list of line combos that were briefly together.

    There are not any “missing” combos that are hidden.

    They simplify the list to reduce noise.

    Many people cut and paste that info into excel sheets and I would wager that is why they reduced the mico-sample line combos.

  59. Woodguy says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    From what I can see
    The line combinations this season have been about Gagner & Yakupov
    Eakins has been trying to put together combos that work with those two.

    Instead, he should’ve kept the Golden Boys together as discussed above,
    And..
    In 130 ES minues with Arcobello, Hemsky had a 60 GF%
    In 140 ES minutes with Perron, Hemsky had a GF% of 58.3.
    Those three should’ve been line 2

    Gordon with Smyth & Jones
    Gagner with Yak & Mr Better-Than-Larocque

    And start planning the parade

    I was looking at that when Arco got sent down.

    Its like Eakins can’t get out of his own way.

  60. Doc Savage says:

    book¡je: Wow, I simply can’t believe this. Its April, the team has had no chance of the playoffs for 6 months (66 months really, but that is a different story) and there are more than 200 comments here at 4pm in the afternoon.

    Something is really wrong with us Oilers fans…

    I think some of it might be the result of yesterday’s game. Last night was like the few rays of sunshine we have seen over the last couple of years where the big 3 were dominating, and for a stretch of time San Jose (yes, San Jose!) had no answer. After consecutive goals by RNH and Eberle, Eberle almost scored on the very next shift. It reminded me of that game last year against Vancouver, when 2:43 into the game, Oilers were up 3-0 and Hall had 2 goals. And then Hall almost scored on the very next shift. Remember when the Oilers chased opposing goalies out of something like four games in a row? For the first time this year, it felt like that type of domination was possible again.

    Last night was not Eakins hockey like we’ve been used this whole year. Imagine yesterday’s team with a functioning second line of Perron-Gagner-Yakupov. Not a high powered offensive team? Seriously? Unless Eakins was somehow trying to motivate his team with that comment.

  61. Woodguy says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    One of the reasons Hall/Nuge/Eberle has achieved some success as a line, imo, is quite simply because they’ve been given the reps. It takes time to figure out another player’s tendencies and this trio was give that time. Doesn’t mean it’s the optimal combination for all time, and certainly not the only one for this team to succeed.

    This is really important.

    One thing I noted when I watched last night (after getting back from the WING-PHX game of all things) was how well those guys cycle.

    MacT and Eakins have been pushing this team to cycle more and better.

    Argue whether that is good or not, but that is what they are pushing for.

    Those 3 *know* what the other 2 are doing and what they are best at is changing the direction of the cycle and running interference to open spade for the guy with the puck.

    RNH is a very good at this.

    If those 3 play tonight, watch how many times they swap spots on the LH boards. They get the Dman to follow, swap spots and block the Dman out.

    The the C is too aggressive occasionally they block both out.

    All three of them are like a machine at this and there isn’t a damn thing the D can do about it because they have to cover their assignments.

    Pretty awesome to watch.

    I actually subsribe to what other have inferred in that the more a line plays together the better they are.

    These 3 are sublime.

    The rest of the roster can be an issue though.

    Gordon and Hendricks seem to be working well together.

    Perron plays alone a lot. Out goes Hemsky, in comes Perron.

    That’s ok, he creates a ton.

  62. Lowetide says:

    Ford (Miller, Hunt). Chase apparently had a good first shift.

  63. RexLibris says:

    Lloyd B.: As a guy going for that particular test tomorrow I really must take issue with your comment and the visual.Thanks for this,

    Just breathe, man. Breeeeaaaathe.

  64. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear: You and Icecastles Arguements made me laugh!

    You should accept I cannot take the position there is zero player influence on.
    the pucks directed.
    1. from varying distances
    2. From diffrent x-y location
    3. types
    4. Velocity
    5. Paths (blocked. missed, deflected, screened, unscreened)
    6. elevation of Goalie.

    To start off when looking at shots inside 20 ft there can be a variance of ratio (in20/toal) for each defensive side.
    That is one dman being better than the other.,

    Outside 20 ft the ratio trends to 50/50 per side.
    But the 20-30 ft rangesuccesswill vary based on the quality of back pressure from the defenceman’s forwards.

    Pucks can get to diffrent elevations with
    7 holes
    Low blocker side =1 13%Low glove side =2 11%High blocker side =3 57%High glove side =4 55%Between the legs = 5 17%Between blocker arm and body =6 29%Between glove arm and body =7 27%

    and 6 zero score spots
    blocker side pad
    glove side pad
    blocker and Arm
    Glove and arm
    Chest
    Mask

    It is not chance.
    it is not varying save %
    it correlates with the defence and forwards influence on pucks released!

    Fuck me!
    Corsi!

    Try variance in zone starts
    Boyd Gordon
    averages 24 shifts
    20 of them start as face offs.
    With his 20.9% ZS and Neutral count
    there are 14 def starts and 6 off starts.
    an average player would have a corsi of -8 from this.
    then the other 4 shifts.
    As a defensive specialist group.
    What are the odds they are coming on to defend against the other teamspocession.

    Corsi is is more varied than GA!

    Corsi for each of these is a corsi I would follow!
    Shifts start over the boards with pocession.
    Shift start over the boards without pocession
    Shift start FO won OZ
    Shift startFO lost OZ
    Shift start FO won NZ
    Shift startFO lost NZ
    Shift start FO won DZ
    Shift startFO lost DZ

    then I would use Corsi!
    Until it is broken into the 100% Coach influenced results.
    Corsi says there was apuck Directed!
    OK!
    we already look at wether the puck moves forward or back from face offs. ZS and ZF

    Ok.

    Where are you compiling the shot distance data for every player?

    I know Mike is doing this per game, but I don’t know if its compiled for the year.

    Also,

    Is the shot distance variance consistent from year to year (repeatable/correlates from year to year)?

    One problem with looking at individual events is that sometimes when you look at the population as a whole they are pretty consistent across the population so they don’t really tell us anything.

  65. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy: MacT and Eakins have been pushing this team to cycle more and better.

    Like second stringers with delusions of grandeur, MacT and Eakins cannot imagine the heights which they aspire to, and so the kid line gets lumbered with stupid cycling(I always see Laraque cycling endlessly whenever I see/hear that term) instead of playing to their strengths – namely confounding the opposition like everyone else and their cat knows they’re supposed to do.

    Cats are either incredibly smart, or stupid. The debate continues.

  66. Woodguy says:

    CurtisS:
    Ok I broke down the line combos

    We wont add the first 2 games as Nuge wasnt available.

    2 games together record 1-1
    17 games apart record 4-13
    10 games together record 5-5
    5 games apart record 2-3
    4 games together record 0-4
    6 games apart record 2-4
    3 games together record 2-1
    3 games apart record 0-3
    8 games together record 4-4
    14 games apart record 6-8
    2 games together record 0-2

    74 + 2 that I left out at start of the year.

    29 games together out of a possible 74 games. record is 12-17
    the 45 games they havent played together their record is 14-31

    Crazy they have only played 29 games together thats no half the season.

    No loser points added in this

    Awesome.

    Thanks for grinding the info.

    I know how awful that is to do.

    I’m sorry for being a dick, but the other 17% is really a whole bunch of tiny sample stuff that doesn’t tell us a damn thing and in re-reading it I assumed more than I should have.

  67. Woodguy says:

    CurtisS:
    Ok I broke down the line combos

    We wont add the first 2 games as Nuge wasnt available.

    2 games together record 1-1
    17 games apart record 4-13
    10 games together record 5-5
    5 games apart record 2-3
    4 games together record 0-4
    6 games apart record 2-4
    3 games together record 2-1
    3 games apart record 0-3
    8 games together record 4-4
    14 games apart record 6-8
    2 games together record 0-2

    74 + 2 that I left out at start of the year.

    29 games together out of a possible 74 games. record is 12-17
    the 45 games they havent played together their record is 14-31

    Crazy they have only played 29 games together thats no half the season.

    No loser points added in this

    Did you use extraskater.com or the line up reports from the Oilers website as your source of who played with who?

  68. Woodguy says:

    Bag of Pucks: To be fair, getting ‘their shot off’ at the right time is something a lot of young men struggle with.

    Finally the thread is heading in the right direction.

  69. Woodguy says:

    icecastles: This is why we need Chase. Team needs more assholes. Or was it dicks? Time to watch Team America again.

    Ok, now this thread is actually off the rails.

    Love it.

  70. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: Ok, now this thread is actually off the rails.

    Love it.

    Are these the children of Fireball XL-5?

  71. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    That Arco deal is magical. I thought for sure it would be upwards of 750K maybe just shy of 1M.

    I have shivers that Gazdic will get a better deal. nuts.

    Can’t find a link for the Barons game. you can listen on the radio like me if you like:

    http://www.live365.com/stations/okcbarons

    1-1 in the 1st. C. Hamilton had two really good chances (apparently) on a PK. One of which led to a penalty shot that he missed.

  72. oliveoilers says:

    icecastles,

    The UK’s extremely tepid response (most of Russia’s international banking is funneled through London) was deeply disappointing, however

    As a British citizen and an ex-member of Her Majesty’s Armed Forces, I believe I can lend some insight to the reason why. After the admission by Tony Blair that intelligence on Iraqi WMD might have been a tad exaggerated, the public are a little weary of sending ‘our boys’ into another big litter box to sort out what essentially has nothing to do with us. We ousted Saddam and Osama, yet still pay full price for our petrol and heroine. My mum told me yesterday that petrol is now 1.45pounds/liter (over $2). She didn’t mention how much heroine was. Coupled to the fact that society changes, and like any big company that recruits from the masses, the Military reflects these changes. When I joined, NI was still going full bore, and Bosnia was about to become fun for the first time since 1914. I was under no illusion that somebody somewhere wanted to kill me, in a general sense, (it was nothing personal). At the advent of GW2, there had been a period of relative peace where perhaps society changed to a point where somebody would believe they could join the Army and have a serene 22yr career travelling the world and shagging it. What a shock some had when it was pointed out to them that being shot at was EXACTLEY what they’d signed up for.

    So, in summary, the government is now extremely reticent to commit to any hardline foreign policy that involves the deployment of troops, peace keeping or otherwise. And the money. You where right about the money.

    Awesome insight on Ukraine. I have learned a lot!

  73. Woodguy says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    Woodguy,

    Given some of Yakupov’s miscues this season (especially that Ovechkin goal) is it fair to say that SV% is purely luck?

    This post earlier in the thread sums up my thoughts.

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2014/04/oilers-at-ducks-g77-13-14.html/comment-page-1#comment-307295

    Given the fact that you cannot predict future ONSV% using previous ONSV% and the fact that it fluctuates wildly for players who are widely considered “very good’ has led me to ignore ONSV% and everything it influences.

    Funny thing is that NHL GMs seem to make moves based on it, so its a market inefficiency to exploit if you/we were NHL GMs.

  74. Doc Savage says:

    CurtisS:
    Ok I broke down the line combos

    We wont add the first 2 games as Nuge wasnt available.

    2 games together record 1-1
    17 games apart record 4-13
    10 games together record 5-5
    5 games apart record 2-3
    4 games together record 0-4
    6 games apart record 2-4
    3 games together record 2-1
    3 games apart record 0-3
    8 games together record 4-4
    14 games apart record 6-8
    2 games together record 0-2

    74 + 2 that I left out at start of the year.

    29 games together out of a possible 74 games. record is 12-17
    the 45 games they havent played together their record is 14-31

    Crazy they have only played 29 games together thats no half the season.

    No loser points added in this

    This meshes quite well with what I posted earlier from http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com. From Curtiss’s analysis above, the big 3 played together 29/74 = 39% of the time.

    From hockeyanalysis.com it was identified that Eakins has played Eberele with Hall 41%, (Hall played with RNH 56.5% of the time this year). Estimate subtracting off a some points off the 41% for when there is no overlap between all three, and it comes reasonably close to 39%. Again, this is well under half a season together.

    And as referenced from earlier, Krueger played them significantly more together, well over 50% of the time, I would guess somewhere around 57% of the time given Hall’s time with Eberle (66% of the time) and RNH (60% of the time) that year.

  75. Woodguy says:

    icecastles: So you’re saying they have been together all year?
    How come you’re not willing to back that up by showing their GAA?

    (runs away giggling and dodging Woodguy’s gunfire)

    Why I aught ta….

    But the that’s not what I said….

    This has been past debate for 5 years…..

    *head explodes*

  76. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Neal ‏@tweetneal 12m
    Look at Jujhar Khaira on the PP, stick down, turned perfectly, in the crease. Weep for joy, children. #OKCBarons pic.twitter.com/vK2LphfmZB

  77. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: Why I aught ta….

    But the that’s not what I said….

    This has been past debate for 5 years…..

    *head explodes*

    Who had April?

  78. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    Very pessimistic, but Putin is “Fram”ing with those troops on the border. Pay me now (joy ride to Odessa) or pay me later (autonomous partitions to pick off). Not much help from outside but let’s hope Obama doesn’t end up heralding the last offer from the dealership as peace in our times.

  79. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Fireball XL-5

    You kids these days with your TV shows and your MTV and boom boxes!

    I can’t keep up!

  80. hunter1909 says:

    icecastles: I’m guessing you’ve not spent much time in Eastern Europe. You’d be hard-pressed over there to convince yourself the cold war is over at all and in a lot of border areas, it really isn’t. We in the West seem to think that because the nukes are no longer pointed at us, that they’re not pointed at anyone.

    My hobby is the 1941-45 war. I would be headed straight to where they fought the Germans in 1941 and 1943 if I ever went there. Armed with a flaskful of vodka, lol.

    I’m shallow. And I know it.

  81. hunter1909 says:

    oliveoilers: After the admission by Tony Blair that intelligence on Iraqi WMD might have been a tad exaggerated

    The visceral hatred of Tony Blair in the UK today is astonishing. True story: Last week Blair took his family out to a posh West End restaurant and a waiter tried to citizen’s arrest him.

  82. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Davidson (Miller, Hunt)

    2-2

  83. oliveoilers says:

    hunter1909: The visceral hatred of Tony Blair in the UK today is astonishing. True story: Last week Blair took his family out to a posh West End restaurant and a waiter tried to citizen’s arrest him.

    Lol, that’s awesome. Hope it doesn’t give any of the ‘Fire Lowe’ guys ideas!

  84. Doc Savage says:

    Doc Savage: This meshes quite well with what I posted earlier from http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com.From Curtiss’s analysis above, the big 3 played together 29/74 = 39% of the time.

    From hockeyanalysis.com it was identified that Eakins has played Eberele with Hall 41%, (Hall played with RNH 56.5% of the time this year).Estimate subtracting off a some points off the 41% for when there is no overlap between all three, and it comes reasonably close to 39%.Again, this is well under half a season together.

    And as referenced from earlier, Krueger played them significantly more together, well over 50% of the time, I would guess somewhere around 57% of the time given Hall’s time with Eberle (66% of the time) and RNH (60% of the time) that year.

    Interestingly, I was looking at the Krueger 12/13 season, I noticed that 7/10 (70%) of Yakupov’s even strength goals were scored with Shawn Horcoff on the ice. Yakupov only spent 21% of his time on the ice with Horcoff (118:48 minutes out of 560.51). Small sample set, but look at that GF20 (1.683) and GA20 (0.337). More importantly look at his GF20 (0.633) and GA20 (0.950) without Horcoff.

    I wonder how much Yakupov misses playing with Horcoff, or a similar-type player. We always seem to classify Boyd Gordon as a Shawn Horcoff-type replacement, but I don’t think that’s the case.

    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1684&withagainst=true&season=2012-13&sit=5v5

  85. delooper says:

    hunter1909: The visceral hatred of Tony Blair in the UK today is astonishing. True story: Last week Blair took his family out to a posh West End restaurant and a waiter tried to citizen’s arrest him.

    I wouldn’t call that astonishing. You can’t escape from the things you’ve done, even if you’re Tony Blair.

  86. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ewanyk (Miller)

    The new Miller (not Andrew).

    3-2 Barons. shots 20-11 Barons.

  87. icecastles says:

    oliveoilers: Awesome insight on Ukraine. I have learned a lot!

    Thanks! Needless to say, it’s something I’ve been rather invested in and have a pretty strong connection with.

    hunter1909: My hobby is the 1941-45 war. I would be headed straight to where they fought the Germans in 1941 and 1943 if I ever went there. Armed with a flaskful of vodka, lol.
    I’m shallow. And I know it.

    When you go to Ukraine, make sure you call it horilka. Biggest shock of my life when I discovered they don’t actually call it vodka.

    Cool thing about Eastern Europe as opposed to western, is that the signs of the war are so apparent. There are buildings all over still riddled with bullet holes and in some cases, even scorch marks, and not just frozen-in-time historic sites. Walking down Kreshatik and realizing you’re on the same streets surrounded by the same buildings where thousands of Nazi soldiers and their tanks first paraded triumphantly and were later marched after their surrender… it’s pretty incredible.

    And Crimea is just a different universe entirely. That place, particularly Sevastopol, has seen more battle and more conflicts than I could have imagined possible. Ruins on top of ruins on top of ruins, going back 2500 years.

    The former super top secret nuclear submarine base in Balaclava that will once again be inaccessible to westerners… I could go on.

    But to tie it all back to hockey, here’s the crest for Ukraine’s national hockey program. Look familiar? I overlaid it with the Hockey Canada logo… yup, that skater is a perfect trace, with the angles rounded off a little and the shoulder/stick redrawn.

    Hockey Canada stole their logo from Hockey Ukraine! Who’s enigmatic now, jerks?

    Oh here’s another cool factoid: if it weren’t for the forced depopulation and relocation of the Tatars to the gulags, Yakupov would most likely have been born in Crimea and grown up a dirty diving no good soccer player.

  88. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ryan Dittrick ‏@ryandittrick 1m
    Line on Darnell Nurse: 28:43 TOI, -2, 2 PIM. Corsi: 61.3% (+19/-12 EV Shot Attempts).

  89. icecastles says:

    delooper: You can’t escape from the things you’ve done, even if you’re Tony Blair.

    Or Peter (pause to spit on the floor) Pocklington.

  90. prairieschooner says:

    I think these guys have it perfected
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcCw9RHI5mc

  91. Lloyd B. says:

    icecastles: Or Peter (pause to spit on the floor) Pocklington.

    I’m going to stick to the hockey part of Peter Puck. He was a great owner of the Oilers for a great number of years. Until of course he needed money and sold his most valuable asset. That is worth spitting for, if not outright throwing up. We would likely have won another couple of cups. Sather said, and no I’m not going through archives to find it, that Gretzky was his secret weapon. I always took that to mean his work ethic was second to none of that era. When everyone else saw how hard he worked to be number 1 it made them all work that much harder. man could we use one of those guys now.

  92. delooper says:

    Is Pocklington in prison now, or is he out? When I was younger I would have prided myself on knowing the answer to that.

  93. Doc Savage says:

    delooper:
    Is Pocklington in prison now, or is he out?When I was younger I would have prided myself on knowing the answer to that.

    He’s still appealing, no jail time yet.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/former-oilers-owner-peter-pocklington-avoids-prison-1.2454341

  94. icecastles says:

    Doc Savage: He’s still appealing, no jail time yet.

    There’s nothing appealing about Peter Pucklington.

  95. Lowetide says:

    Line on Darnell Nurse: 28:43 TOI, -2, 2 PIM. Corsi: 61.3% (+19/-12 EV Shot Attempts).

  96. Lloyd B. says:

    So I’m back working in Manitoba. TV guide on the tele says Edmonton game on TV. Even the announcers during the baseball game say to wait as the Toronto BB game is going long. Game over and now Seattle Angels game is on. This new deal the NHL has signed will be a very good thing. Maybe costly…but good nonetheless.

  97. Pouzar says:

    Tied.

    OKC Chase, (1) (Miller, Musil), 15:35

  98. Lowetide says:

    Greg Chase scores in his first AHL game. Good LORD that’s looking like a good pick #smallsamplesizealertbutholeeeee

  99. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Chase!!!
    (Miller, Musil)
    Welcome to the AHL

  100. slambanna says:

    OKC Chase, (1) (Miller, Musil), 15:35 to tie the game at 4-4.

    edit: Just because three posts wasn’t enough.

  101. Pouzar says:

    Chase +2 and 3 SOG

  102. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Isles win.

    Sucks for Hemmer, but basically puts the Isles out of reach of the Oil now.

  103. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    OKC is the AHL’s version of the Devils in shootouts. 1-9.

    this isn’t a good way for them to end the game.

  104. VanOil says:

    Did someone break the fingers of the guy counting shots in Disneyland? The shot clock looks wrong.

  105. spoiler says:

    So let me get this straight, any time an Oiler fights it is an extra 2 minutes against us automatically.

  106. Gerta Rauss says:

    spoiler:
    So let me get this straight, any time an Oiler fights it is an extra 2 minutes against us automatically.

    There was a delayed penalty on Acton before the 2 of them decided to fight…granted, it was a cheap call imo

  107. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Barons win in the shootout.

    wooo!

  108. Bos8 says:

    Icecastles

    I’ll be a mother lovin… Go to a hockey site and read about Crimea. And some actual true statements about Ukraine. Well, I do recommend Kyiv Post to my brethren when they ask me, a month late, “What’s Maidan?.”
    You did miss Obama military aid. 30,000 dry food packs. Obama is very very concerned, according to Kasparov.

  109. gr8one says:

    So it seems Chase is having a good game, any of you out there actually watching the OKC game, and how have the other new hires there looked, especially interested to know how Khaira looks? Has Chase looked good by eye as well as the box scores?

    Lastly, where would one find streams of AHL games in one was inclined to watch?

  110. Gerta Rauss says:

    That’s 4 good periods in a row by my eye

  111. delooper says:

    GR8ONE: there’s AHL streams at the same place I find NHL streams. My strategy is to Google search for “NHL live stream” and click on the first link to a website with drakula mentioned in the URL.

  112. SaskFan says:

    Miller first star and chase second star in OKC.

  113. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    delooper:
    GR8ONE: there’s AHL streams at the same place I find NHL streams.My strategy is to Google search for “NHL live stream” and click on the first link to a website with drakula mentioned in the URL.

    I’m not so distinguishing, but yea, something similar.

    Deloops, did you get a feed for the OKC game tonight? I couldn’t find one and had to rely on the radio feed.

  114. gr8one says:

    delooper,

    Awesome, thanks!

    also, in addition to my above noted questions, I see it seems that neither Holmberg or Oesterle were dressed tonight for the Barons, any idea why? Or am I mistaken in that they were assigned to OKC?

  115. VanOil says:

    Chase is having a crazy banana of a year, long may it continue. Even if the Hockey Gords are cruel to him in the future this season is one he could/should savor for a lifetime.

  116. Younger Oil says:

    I know the season is lost and all, but why on earth is Schultz on the PK? He is NEVER going to be that guy, under any circumstance, so playing him on the PK over somebody like Klefbom, who will likely be a PKer, makes absolutely no sense to me. Very questionable coaching decision IMO.

    Also, can’t say I’m a huge fan of the zebras so far. Don’t see how Acton gets the extra two when they were equally physical in the corner, and then Beleskey gives him a two hander after. The Gagner hook was definitely the right call, but Getzlaf did the same thing to Gagner twice on an earlier shift.

    Other than the refs stealing our momentum, it was a pretty good period.

  117. Numenius says:

    Were the 4 points by Miller all by Greg Miller?

    Impressive if so.

    Amazing that the Barons won in the shootout. Congratulations, boys.

  118. gr8one says:

    Oh, and Winquist?

  119. delooper says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I’m not so distinguishing, but yea, something similar.

    Deloops, did you get a feed for the OKC game tonight? I couldn’t find one and had to rely on the radio feed.

    A feed was listed on that site, but I didn’t watch the game. I had work to do. I’m a slave to my salary.

  120. speeds says:

    Out of curiosity, anyone happen to know the fastest an 18 year old, 7th round (or later) draftee legitimately made the NHL?

  121. Lowetide says:

    speeds:
    Out of curiosity, anyone happen to know the fastest an 18 year old, 7th round (or later) draftee legitimately made the NHL?

    One of my alltime favorite players Gaetan Duchesne was 19, don’t remember anyone else.

  122. Lloyd B. says:

    speeds,

    Gretzky. Never drafted into the NHL.

  123. Soup Fascist says:

    Ewanyk and Chase has the makings of 2/3 of a very aggravating line to play against.

  124. gr8one says:

    Soup Fascist:
    Ewanyk and Chase has the makings of 2/3 of a very aggravating line to play against.

    Add Moroz and you could say 3/3.

  125. YoungOil says:

    Numenius:
    Were the 4 points by Miller all by Greg Miller?

    No, Andrew Miller and Greg Miller with 2 assists each

  126. gr8one says:

    I honestly think a pylon would be more effective than Fraser…at least a Pylon can’t pass to the other team.

  127. Soup Fascist says:

    gr8one,

    Agree! Moroz having a nice playoff. Go Oil Kings but I would not have minded seeing that combo at the AHL level the end of this season.

  128. Lloyd B. says:

    Lloyd B.:
    speeds,

    Gretzky.Never drafted into the NHL.

    Messier either. WHA changed things dramatically. I’m sure there are lots more but these two are Oiler centric.

  129. speeds says:

    Lowetide: One of my alltime favorite players Gaetan Duchesne was 19, don’t remember anyone else.

    Byfuglien saw some games at 20 and 21, but looks like he didn’t really crack NHL until 22. I’d be kind of surprised if many 7th round picks made it much quicker than that. Maybe a few, but again would be kind of surprised if a bunch had done so.

  130. fifthcartel says:

    In Greg Chase we trust.

  131. Oilanderp says:

    The Ducks commentators on my feed are p00ping themselves over Hall. He’s good, apparently.

  132. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    gr8one:
    delooper,

    Awesome, thanks!

    also, in addition to my above noted questions, I see it seems that neither Holmberg or Oesterle were dressed tonight for the Barons, any idea why? Or am I mistaken in that they were assigned to OKC?

    A ton of the new cats didn’t play.

    They all arrived yesterday. Some are probably just there to hang out. Some will only play once the season is determined, i.e., if they were for sure out of the playoffs.

    I wouldn’t read too much into it.

  133. delooper says:

    Did Smyth just break the record?

  134. delooper says:

    Hmm, looks like no.

  135. Lois Lowe says:

    So close for Smytty.

  136. SaskFan says:

    Seeing klefbom really good.

  137. Rocknrolla says:

    Lowetide: Are these the children of Fireball XL-5?

    Love the Fireball reference LT…have you actually seen Team America? I thought it was one of the funniest movies ever done…definitely in that raunchy vein, but some genius writing by the South Park guys. As a Simpsons fan, I know you would appreciate it!

    Little know fact, if you watch the 6 part YouTube making of team America with all the puppets, they hired the DofP of the Matrix! Wanted all the action and explosions to look real….just classic.

  138. SaskFan says:

    This is the Belov that was supposed to be able to replace smid

  139. delooper says:

    My brain refuses to believe the Oilers have a lead.

  140. Soup Fascist says:

    gr8one:
    delooper,

    Awesome, thanks!

    also, in addition to my above noted questions, I see it seems that neither Holmberg or Oesterle were dressed tonight for the Barons, any idea why? Or am I mistaken in that they were assigned to OKC?

    I am sincerely hoping Oesterle makes the Oilers down the road.

    More than anything curious if he and Eberle can live together in perfect harmony.

  141. Rocknrolla says:

    Lois Lowe:
    So close for Smytty.

    What about Larsen as another PP option…seemed to look good there and used to be a C apparently? Could take the faceoff, and maybe give Gags some more healthy competition for 2-3 C?

  142. hunter1909 says:

    Rocknrolla: Love the Fireball reference LT…have you actually seen Team America?I thought it was one of the funniest movies ever done…definitely in that raunchy vein, but some genius writing by the South Park guys. As a Simpsons fan, I know you would appreciate it!

    Little know fact, if you watch the 6 part YouTube making of team America with all the puppets, they hired the DofP of the Matrix! Wanted all the action and explosions to look real….just classic.

    Trouble is, yanks don’t exactly “do” irony very well. They’re essentially a dumb, easily brainwashed bunch and I’m afraid they took it seriously and now years later their police forces really are something from out of a badly directed movie.

  143. justDOit says:

    delooper:
    My brain refuses to believe the Oilers have a lead.

    Here.

  144. Pouzar says:

    Anyone know how to get vomit odor out of a leather couch?

    Not joking. We actually have the lead and Chase is the best prospect in hockey.

  145. spoiler says:

    Gerta Rauss: That’s 4 good periods in a row by my eye

    Yep.

  146. oliveoilers says:

    Lowetide: Are these the children of Fireball XL-5?

    Terrahawks, maybe?

  147. justDOit says:

    Pouzar:
    Anyone know how to get vomit odor out of a leather couch?

    Not joking. We actually have the lead and Chase is the best prospect in hockey.

    My buddy in high school used weed to get the vomit smell out of his leather jacket. Lots of it. Makes it smell like weed though. That a problem?

  148. Lloyd B. says:

    Oh Man The immunity idol was just played to upset the apple cart. Now another one was just played. Really…the suspense is killing me. :)) There’s hockey?? Sarah ? Nooooooo !!!

  149. hunter1909 says:

    Kind of no longer care if Oilers get 3rd or 4th overall, now that I know it’s the worst case scenario to steal another top prospect.

    I no longer believe anything I see from the team, so if Hall and the gang want to camp it up with another big night and even win, that’s fine but I know it won’t count in October/November when every team in the NHL will be gunning to KO them fast.

    Recall Place management must feel like they’re all in like a barn fire, with the farmer(Lowe naturally) wrestling furiously on the floor of the burning barn with the bad guy, while we the audience are riveted to our chairs watching the spectacle unravel.

    At this point aliens arrive(played by Katz and his assorted mini clones) with Leadman who proceed to waste everyone in a hail of Prohibition era gunfire.

  150. spoiler says:

    How long has it been since we had a goalie that could injure, as opposed to get injured?

  151. hunter1909 says:

    Hall’s showing a snap to his shot that’s miles ahead from last season.

  152. Pouzar says:

    justDOit,

    Outside of the munchies….no.

  153. spoiler says:

    Watching Klefbom circle back behind Schultz every time he has the puck is hilarious.

  154. spoiler says:

    A thing of beauty painted by Hall and Eberle.

  155. Lois Lowe says:

    The Anaheim announcers are seeing Hall good.

  156. delooper says:

    Perhaps Eakins should say to the team “try to play like Taylor Hall”.

    Hmm, 2-1.

  157. Pouzar says:

    LT,

    Any chance Neal Livingston is on tomorrow?

  158. hunter1909 says:

    Perry’s my new fave player. Such a prick. Lowe nearly traded for him with Mike Comrie, lol.

    Redheads not playing defense for the 2012-13 Oilers are less injury prone too.

  159. justDOit says:

    spoiler:
    Watching Klefbom circle back behind Schultz every time he has the puck is reassuring.

    FTFY

  160. hunter1909 says:

    Great headlock on Cogs from Marincin.

  161. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers are terrible at defending. Anyone else noticing this?

  162. fuzzy muppet says:

    Justin Schulz has been awful so far in the third. Its like he simply can’t make the simple play, simple.

  163. Oilanderp says:

    Someone should tell Schultz what defensive system we are playing. One of he or Klefbom completely abandoned their side of the net for a grade A chance against!

  164. Lowetide says:

    Pouzar:
    LT,

    Any chance Neal Livingston is on tomorrow?

    Just had him on, trying to line up someone to talk about chase though.

  165. DeadmanWaking says:

    Pouzar: Anyone know how to get vomit odor out of a leather couch?

    According to a book I recently read, the active ingredient in Febreze is a minor chemical miracle.

    The Power of Habit – a book review on the NYT

    P&G tried to market this as curing skunk odor. They ended up with a coterie of extremely devoted park rangers, but not much else.

    Then they figured out the advertising campaign where the happy-homemaker gives a white-toothed toot of satisfaction after dust-busting the rumpus room, at which point it started flying off the shelves to deodorise apple juice and Ritz crackers.

    The amazing secret is that this stuff actually works as originally advertised–if they haven’t subsequently changed the formulation to something cheaper and better suited to eliminating the gluey smell of ping pong rackets.

    The active ingredient in Febreze is hydroxypropyl beta-cyclodextrin. Procter & Gamble claims that these molecules bind hydrocarbons within the doughnut shape, retaining malodorous molecules, which reduces their release into the air and thus the perception of their scent.

    Technically, it merely sequesters the stench at the Timbit binding site. Note that like all such products, after you go to bed at a tiny Homer Simpson with fairy wings comes along and gathers up the aerosol globules that might otherwise drift who-the-hell-knows-where.

  166. fuzzy muppet says:

    Corey Perry is good…

  167. stevezie says:

    It has been a long time since I checked a thread and felt compelled to read the whole thing.

    Good day.

  168. tcho says:

    Shit, man. They’re outplaying Anaheim in the 2nd of back-to-backs. I’m very happy – maybe next year’s looking decent? (Maybe it’s just the four roses bourbon speaking?)

  169. Ducey says:

    Lander is looking like a AAAA player unfortunately. No wheels.

    He has been outplayed by Larsen.

  170. Soup Fascist says:

    Perry goes to the bench – near death – after running the goalie. Miraculously able to play the next shift and score despite the fact Louie DeBrusk has him pegged as done for the year. He ties the game and continues to run through the crease.

    What a pr!ck.

    Too bad we don’t have him.

  171. Lois Lowe says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    Corey Perry is good…

    Yeah, remember when the Oilers had a trade in principle for him lined up but Six Rings was butthurt about bonus money and quashed it? Me too.

  172. hunter1909 says:

    “The linemen obviously have dinner plans”… Ducks broadcast team

    Memo to Katz: Hire these guys, and instantly raise the professionalism quotient of Oiler’s broadcasts by say, 1000%.

  173. Ducey says:

    These refs must have been brought in from an NBA game or something. Brutal, brutal, brutal.

  174. hunter1909 says:

    Corey Perry’s the rancher who always argues water rights.

  175. hunter1909 says:

    Ducey:
    These refs must have been brought in from an NBA game or something.Brutal, brutal, brutal.

    Relax. 8 years and counting out of playoffs makes this an exhibition game for the visitors.

  176. icecastles says:

    I didn’t realize how much confidence I’ve developed in Scrivens already. Fasth is still something of an unknown quantity to me, so I’m terrified during every one of those scoring plays. Just terrified.

    The Oilers HAVE to win tonight! Don’t they know we’re still cheerful over here? Thats more rare than a Smid goal!

  177. fuzzy muppet says:

    I’m hoping Chase is OUR Perry

  178. Rocknrolla says:

    If Kevin Lowe were lets say even an average GM, say Rutherford, and he was able to take his ego out if the Comrie fiasco and make the trade him for Cory Perry….just imagine what that one simple correct move would have done.

    Hard to say exactly, but imagining how many of these errors we didn’t hear about. Emotional mistakes or losing his temper in front of staff/players/agents just sad that he’s still driving that bus.

    I think he quietly moves on this Summer and Messier steps in as head motivator.

  179. tcho says:

    Man… this is like watching a good hockey team! I could get used to this.

  180. icecastles says:

    What a game. Imagine how entertaining it would be if they’d not quit on the coach. :D

  181. Lowetide says:

    hunter1909:
    Corey Perry’s the rancher who always argues water rights.

    Man. That’s good.

  182. tcho says:

    Ah. That’s too bad.

  183. hunter1909 says:

    Tommy Salo! Come on down!

  184. Numenius says:

    For the record, I’m not a Fasth fan.

    He had a Dubnyk kind of hissy fit after that second goal and has seemed rattled after that.

    Gotta shake it off to be a #1.

    Crap. And they score…

  185. fuzzy muppet says:

    soooooooooooooo Oilers.

    Schultz is starting to look alot like MAB.

  186. Lowetide says:

    Bah! That one hurts.

  187. D says:

    As much as Fasth flubbed that goal, it really started with Hall in the offensive zone.

  188. fuzzy muppet says:

    tcho,

    It’s amazing how they look when the other team plays the Oiler’s game.

    Too bad it happens about 10 times a year.

    And they STILL lose

  189. tcho says:

    Boys deserved a better fate than that. Fasth lets in one he’d like to have back I’m sure.

  190. icecastles says:

    It wasn’t bad enough they took Pronger, huh? Californian bastards.

    Have to hand it to them, though: Emilio Estevez is a hell of a coach.

  191. Lois Lowe says:

    That was a game the team deserved. I am sure Fasth feels bad about the last goal, but that game was a nut punch.

  192. fuzzy muppet says:

    Lowetide,

    Does it really? It’s feels like the norm now. I really hope this is the Nadir year. It HAS to be right? Right?

  193. tcho says:

    Lowetide,

    fuzzy muppet,

    I dunno (and, again, maybe it’s the bourbon) – this game has me feeling optimistic. MacT keeps wheeling and dealing (making more good moves than bad), the young pipeline keeps improving/supplying…

  194. spoiler says:

    I’m just happy we’re slowly starting to skate with the top teams we’ve utterly struggled against. A win would be nice and probably deserved, but I’m happy with baby steps.

  195. Gerta Rauss says:

    justDOit:
    “Well, you made a long journey from Milan to Minsk, Rickard Rakell…”

    ha!!….was thinking the same thing every time the announcers mentioned his name.

    The game was a kick in the junk- they played 6 quality periods in the last 24 hours and have nothing to show for it.

  196. gogliano says:

    Fasth’s hissy fits seem more like ragers than Dubynk’s. DD’s fits reeked more of dejection and desperation. Fasth looks pissed we’re losing.

  197. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: Just had him on, trying to line up someone to talk about chase though.

    try to get Moroz on. he seems keen to engage on analytics. show him the softer side:

    Cameron Thomson ‏@ThomsonCam 1h
    I wonder if @MitchMoroz was anti-stats before the Oilogosphere shit all over him? No excuse really.

    Mitch Moroz ‏@MitchMoroz 46m
    @ThomsonCam I’m not anti-stats. I also don’t read into blogs. But knowing stats doesn’t mean people know the game in it’s entirety.

    Cameron Thomson ‏@ThomsonCam 36m
    @MitchMoroz “Statistics is about never saying you’re sure about anything.” I haven’t encountered any stats types that claim to know it all.

    Mitch Moroz ‏@MitchMoroz 28m
    @ThomsonCam there just seems to be an arrogance surrounding the people presenting these stats. More often then not it’s cynical thinking.

    Cameron Thomson ‏@ThomsonCam 21m
    @MitchMoroz Yeah there’s some arrogance for sure. Cynical too. But if you bet against every prospect, you’d be right a lot. It’s probability

    Mitch Moroz ‏@MitchMoroz 11m
    @ThomsonCam but what a negative way to look at things don’t you think? That’s where I’m caught up. Pessimists having the audience.

  198. admiralmark says:

    Thank you Fasth for keeping the Oilers 2nd overall pick intact. Brutal.

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