RE 13-14 ANTON LANDER: BESIDE YOU

Anton Lander arrived with a special sticker: Defense-first center. That kind of player is going to require some special handling, but the Oilers have not handled him well. People say “do it like Detroit” but that’s like saying “sing it like Ray Charles!” and of course the results were and are predictable: This is why we can’t have nice things.

Anton Lander 13-14

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.21 (16th among forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: nil
  • Qual Comp: 13th toughest competition among regulars (fourth line)
  • Qual Team: 9th best competition among regulars (third line)
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 43.9
  • Corsi for 5×5 % REL: -.2
  • Zone Start: 40% (6th toughest on the team among regular forwards)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: nil
  • Boxcars: 27, 0-1-1
  • Plus Minus: -10 on a team that was -51

RE 50, 4-8-12 .240

Actual: 27, 0-1-1 .037

  1. What do these numbers tell us? He can’t score.
  2. He scored in the AHL. Sure, got some power-play time and improved a great deal. OKC Lander EV: 43, 8-14-22 .511; OKC Lander PP: 43, 10-16-26 .605.
  3. So, there’s no hope at all? There’s hope, but he isn’t going to hit a lot, and I don’t know if a center who can’t score is going to have a career in Edmonton. The Oilers aren’t that specialized.
  4. But he could thrive elsewhere? Yes. Eventually, he should catch on with a team that sees him as a zone start demon and a guy who is worth having on the roster. Teams like Chicago, Detroit and St. Louis.
  5. Winning teams??!?!?!! Yes.
  6. Why can’t the Oilers identify him? They could but, it’s difficult to keep all the balls in the air. It’s like building a house and trying to do 15 things at a time: it’s easy to forget the extra light socket in the basement family room, and that your wife wanted the kitchen island situated so she could see through to the park.
  7. Sounds like you have some experience in the matter. Oh boy.
  8. So, Lander will have a career, and be effective, but it won’t be here? Yes.
  9. Dammit! I’m not sure we can get overly angry at the Oilers. Lots of really good centers flushed out of their original team and then found a way to make it after all in a new town. Lander will go to a new town, play in Grand Rapids, pass Landon Ferraro and then get called up at 25. The Oilers are in danger of losing Yakupov for crying out loud, so losing Lander is a minor detail.
  10. What is his role for next year? He doesn’t have one in Edmonton.
  11. So he’s GONE!?? Well, let’s see. Gordon is going to be the 4line C, they signed Arcobello to a deal and there are ‘crossroads’ articles in the minor league papers. Yes, I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest he won’t be back in the fall.
  12. Does the coach like him? Eakins: “If (Lander) is going to play here, he has to be able to play centre, he has to play left-wing and he has to play right-wing. He has to be able to step in on the power play and kill penalties. He has to be able to wear a bunch of different hats.”
  13. Sounds promising!?!!!! Here’s a quick item, learned first hand. When your boss says to (or about you) “If Bob’s going to work here…..” you’re already up to your ass in alligators.
  14. What does it mean? They’ve decided on his bat. Now they have to decide if they can live with it, and if they can’t he’s gone. Even if he can, the next swinging Dick with hair on his chest is going to take his job.
  15. How does it end? They offer him a two-way deal, he balks, and the Oilers send him to Detroit for a third round pick.
  16. That 2009 draft was awful. I don’t agree. Paajarvi will have a career, Lander too. But you have to score more than 8 points in 94 NHL games, or the management is going to question your ability to score in the NHL.
  17. He’s better than that. And I believe he’ll get a chance to prove it.
  18. Why this song? It’s about wanting something that’s out of reach, not necessarily forever, but for now.
  19. Is there a lesson to be learned? Sign them at 20, get serious about them as NHL players toward the end of their entry level deal. Rinse. Repeat.

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47 Responses to "RE 13-14 ANTON LANDER: BESIDE YOU"

  1. teddyturnbuckle says:

    I hope they keep Lander, he is still young and although he doesn’t score I noticed a big difference in his play when he was called up this year. I wouldn’t trade him for a pick but the the greatest danger of losing him is the Swedish Elite League. The Oilers need their 2nd to late round picks to start contributing to their team and stop relying solely on top ten picks to put their team together. As the years go by I am less and less impressed with our amateur scouting staff. Most of them deserved to get fired for the 2007 draft in which we came away with a player who we can’t get rid of fast enough. 3 first round picks and we end up with a guy propped up by Patrick Kane in Junior.

  2. OilClog says:

    Why is it assumed Lander would be successful on a winning team.

    1. Doesn’t hit
    2. Doesn’t score
    3. Doesn’t distribute
    4. Doesn’t overwhelm on the dot
    5. Petrell seemed like a better option, that hurts.

    Eakins playing him on the second line was one of the ugliest moves this season. He had no business lasting more then two shifts running along side Nuge and Ebs.

    What they wanted for their running mate.

    1. Player with speed
    2. Creates room
    3. Hits
    4. Contribute on the score sheet.

    Options: Lander or Pitlick.

    Pitlick.

    1. Big
    2. Fast
    3. Hits

    Can he score, he might along side Nuge and Ebs. He had injuries that never end, but he also saw the ice and never got a sniff of where he should of been given a chance. If Pitlick and Lander were racing for the puck down the boards, my money is on Pitlick.

  3. Ducey says:

    I don’t know where this “he is going to DET and will be successful” stuff comes from either.

    Maybe he will be successful . He certainly turned a corner in OKC. But I didn’t see anything with the Oilers this year to show it

    He doesn’t skate well, he doesn’t hit, he doesn’t play physical, doesn’t get his nose dirty, doesn’t check hard, can’t generate much offense, etc

    I’d settle for his offense if he was buzzing around causing havoc, but really he seemed mighty disinterested for most of his call up. Babcock isn’t going to put up with that.

    As MPS is to STL, Lander is to EDM. They should be making a difference, but they don’t.

    Its too bad, the job is right there for him to grab.

    I expect that he will wind up back in Sweden within a year or two.

  4. G Money says:

    We always refer to Detroit and their development system. Why act as if we can’t do the same? The only difference really is patience. If this was Detroit, Lander would go back to the AHL, further strengthen his game, and then get more at bats in the NHL until he proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he can’t actually piss a drop in the bigs – probably at the age of 25.

    In fact, let’s compare the recent tale of two Swedes:

    Detroit / Gustav Nyquist

    Age 21: finishes US college career, already has 4 yrs in N America, but gets sent to AHL 8 games, 4 pts
    Age 22: AHL 56 games 58 pts, NHL 18 games 2 pts – elite AHL outscorer, can’t piss a drop in the NHL
    Age 23: AHL 58 games 60 pts, NHL 22 games 6 pts – elite AHL outscorer, still can’t piss a drop in the NHL

    Oilers / Lander
    Age 21: AHL 14 games, 5 pts, NHL 56 games, 6 pts – hey, let’s bring him over to N America, throw him straight into the NHL, he can’t piss a drop but let’s let him twist in the wind for 56 games anyway!
    Age 22: AHL 47 games, 20 pts, AHL playoffs 8 pts in 8 games, NHL 11 games 1 pt – can’t piss a drop in the NHL but starting to find his game in the AHL
    Age 23: AHL 46 games, 52 pts, sets Barons record with 6 pts in 1 game, NHL 27 games 1 pt, elite AHL outscorer, can barely piss a drop in the NHL

    Now let’s look at the crowning glory of the development systems:

    Detroit / Nyquist / this year / Age 24, 8th year in N America, fourth in the pros: NHL 57 games, 48 pts – hey, can piss a lot of drops!
    Oilers / Lander / next year / Age 24, 4th year in N America, fourth in the pros: trade him, there’s no place for him here!

    See what I’m getting at here? There is no guarantee, far from it, that Lander will find his game in the NHL next year like his fellow Swede.

    But to give up on him? So Oilers.

  5. VOR says:

    I think maybe my point in the previous thread got lost. Bad teams don’t typically improve incrementally and eventually become great. They make huge leaps over short spaces of time. Presumably they reach some talent threshold and then their progress is revealed very suddenly (over 1 or 2 years).

    Typically the final part of the change comes from within. Big blockbuster trades, overpay free agent signings, etc. may occur before threshold but the players that will push the team over the threshold tend to come from within – draft and wait, draft and develop, or just draft. Sometimes the teams get better by trading for future and letting it develop at its own pace. But those threshold shattering talents arrive early in their careers when nobody yet knows who or what they will really be. Only history reveals they were the one you’ve been waiting for all these long years.

    Large amounts of player and coaching change each season seems to make it hard for these guys too emerge.

    While too much roster change appears to be detrimental that doesn’t mean GMs shouldn’t be trying to improve each year. They just need to pick their spots. I would like to put this in an Oilers context so I am clear.

    I think a handful of clever moves right now might well set the stage for the year after next being the huge breakout year.

    As a given we want to draft well. In the free agent market we want to acquire players who can fill the bottom six roles so l here are a few suggestions. Keep in mind these guys are probably placeholders though you never know.

    Nick Johnson – RW. Former St. Albert Saint, big, strong, fast, tremendous shot, got assigned to be a checker in Minnesota and to get a real feeling for what he confronted you need to go to http://www.behindthenet.ca Tough zone start ,outrageous quality of competition, welcome to the NHL rookie. People thought he looked bad but in fact he had a good relative corsi and good rel CF%. Not a lot of minutes. Given the zone start push in Phoenix he started putting up serious possession numbers and offence. Far too good for the AHL where he currently resides as a depth player for the Bruins.

    Jim O’Brien – LW. Not as clear cut as Johnson, apparently threw away the emerging career he had with the Ottawa Senators in “a locker room battle with Matt Kassian” whatever that means. Superb defensively, occasionally a bit psycho, strong forechecker, as they say he arrives early and in a bad mood. A natural center who is quite good at the backchecking part of the game, at least in the AHL. The poorest relative possession player of these three guys but also the one with the most upside to surprise and worth noting over 50% CF%.

    Peter Regin – Your mythic big center. Good enough that the Chicago Blackhawks traded for him to be their 2C. Doesn’t get outplayed. Great possession numbers with three different teams. In both the AHL and the NHL he and O’Brien were linemates and looked good together. You really need to go to extraskater and check out Regin’s possession numbers. Yikes. Can’t take a faceoff but nobody is perfect. Think of him as insurance – a big 2C in waiting – did I mention he can really forecheck.

    Now put Lander with Hendricks and Gordon and you have a third and fourth line that can truly help balance the team. The way things were going at the end of the year I wouldn’t tamper with the D. Having a monster forechecking line helps take the pressure off the D and changes the dynamic in which the Oilers are always the team getting pushed around.

    Yes none of these guys are household names but they are big, strong, fast, dynamic fore-checkers who can take and make a pass as well as shoot the puck. If that doesn’t work they are prepared to charge the crease. These are talented big men who are prepared to work hard and go to the hard areas of the ice.

    Introducing more top dogs, which is what so many here are preaching is just going to lead to more dysfunction. The smart play here is nibble at the corners and wait. If you are at threshold it doesn’t matter. If you aren’t this kind of gentle massage of your lineup gives you time to gel and move closer to that point where one last great player changes everything.

    I think some fans, maybe most, are getting too anxious to win now. Acquire good players, keep good players, wait. Repeat until success begins. Then fill the holes from a position of strength. It is simple to say but it is not simple to have the patience to stick with the plan. Not in the face of losing.

    To reiterate. The evidence suggests you cannot trade or sign your way from bad too good in a single year. It is in fact often at the root of long periods of ineptitude. You can and should, however, look for players stuck in other organizations depth positions and see if you can catch a kid who just hasn’t got the opportunity to be an impact player. The three young men I just proposed have all proven they can hold their own in the NHL. They are replacement player value or better. Maybe one is Kevin McLelland or Fernando Pisani.

  6. Ryan says:

    2009 wasn’t a great draft for the Oilers. There were some gems and oh boy did Colorado have a great draft–duchene, ROR, Stephan Eliot and Tyson Barrie. Lordy.

    Kulikov or ROR would have been better than PRV. The avs grabbed Tyson Barrie in the third round…

  7. blainer says:

    G Money,

    I guess ya never know what can happen next year with lander according to what happened to Nyquist…But… Who were his line mates in Detroit , was he getting PP time and was he carrying the mail. Detroit is a much better team than the oilers. For every Nyquist there is a Robert Nilsson. I would really like to see Arco centering a 3B line with big wingers and Gordon centering a 3A line with Hendricks and Kulemin.. Two strong 3rd lines as opposed to a fourth line and have Gazdic there as a fill in for the odd game when we feel there may trouble. As for LT’s idea of a third round pick as a return for lander..I would be shocked if we got that the way teams are valuing picks these days..I really have to wonder if he would even get picked off waivers…JMO

  8. flyfish1168 says:

    The best bet since the exit interview is for Anton to work on what MacT and Eakins had to say. Give him the summer to work and think about his game. Bring him back next season and let him challenge for a position. We have invest 5 years since the draft on him and to throw him out when he maybe close is not a prudent way to treat your investment and time.

    If anything he can still play on the wing with Gordon and be the backup faceoff guy, that to me is of value, if you need two centers on the ice to try to win an important faceoff.

    He may still bring some offence but just needed a little more aging

  9. One-Timer says:

    VOR,

    Nice work digging up the info on those potential bottom-sixers. Who do you see going the other way – combos of AHL guys like Arco and Pinizzotto?

    Maybe there’s some semantic distance between us on the word “incremental,” but that’s how I view these kinds of moves, and I completely agree with them: determine the minor roles your team needs filled and go head-hunt the right guys. Oilers are not deep enough for blockbuster trades.

    Off topic: I once saw a Russian movie called Vor (The Thief). Has to be one of the bleakest stories ever put to celluloid.

  10. Ryan says:

    G Money:
    We always refer to Detroit and their development system.Why act as if we can’t do the same?The only difference really is patience.If this was Detroit, Lander would go back to the AHL, further strengthen his game, and then get more at bats in the NHL until he proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he can’t actually piss a drop in the bigs – probably at the age of 25.

    In fact, let’s compare the recent tale of two Swedes:

    Detroit / Gustav Nyquist

    Age 21: finishes US college career, already has 4 yrs in N America, but gets sent to AHL 8 games, 4 pts
    Age 22: AHL 56 games 58 pts, NHL 18 games 2 pts – elite AHL outscorer, can’t piss a drop in the NHL
    Age 23: AHL58 games 60 pts, NHL 22 games 6 pts – elite AHL outscorer, still can’t piss a drop in the NHL

    Oilers / Lander
    Age 21: AHL 14 games, 5 pts, NHL 56 games, 6 pts – hey, let’s bring him over to N America, throw him straight into the NHL, he can’t piss a drop but let’s let him twist in the wind for 56 games anyway!
    Age 22:AHL 47 games, 20 pts, AHL playoffs 8 pts in 8 games, NHL 11 games 1 pt – can’t piss a drop in the NHL but starting to find his game in the AHL
    Age 23: AHL 46 games, 52 pts, sets Barons record with 6 pts in 1 game, NHL 27 games 1 pt, elite AHL outscorer, can barely piss a drop in the NHL

    Now let’s look at the crowning glory of the development systems:

    Detroit / Nyquist / this year / Age 24, 8th year in N America, fourth in the pros: NHL 57 games, 48 pts – hey, can piss a lot of drops!
    Oilers / Lander / next year / Age 24, 4th year in N America, fourth in the pros: trade him, there’s no place for him here!

    See what I’m getting at here?There is no guarantee, far from it, that Lander will find his game in the NHL next year like his fellow Swede.

    But to give up on him?So Oilers.

    While that’s a well-constructed parallel / arguement, the Oilers haven’t had much of a history of walking away from guys who can’t piss a drop in the NHL who later post 48 points in 57 games.

    Sure, the oilers gave away useful players like Brodziak, Glencross, and Cogliano, but those are much different stories.

  11. Ryan says:

    VOR,

    Great stuff. The Oilers longstanding problem has been to look for one or two big additions while completely neglecting the bottom of their roster…then they flush the bottom of their roster and bring in more dregs… Rinse and repeat.

    If they spent more focus finding useful bottom of the roster players and maintaing more continuity, that would be a good thing IMO.

  12. Lois Lowe says:

    Ryan,

    It’s a bit of revisionist history on Cogliano. He had stalled in his development and still wanted top six minutes at C.

  13. Pouzar says:

    VOR,

    Sweet data mining VOR. Very interesting finds.

  14. BrazilianOil says:

    Could Lander be a better player than Gordon in two years ? I think so. We already have the Gordon’s replacement and we want to trade him?

  15. Pouzar says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Ryan,

    It’s a bit of revisionist history on Cogliano. He had stalled in his development and still wanted top six minutes at C.

    I could be wrong but that’s the way I remember it too.

  16. G Money says:

    Ryan: While that’s a well-constructed parallel / arguement, the Oilers haven’t had much of a history of walking away from guys who can’t piss a drop in the NHL who later post 48 points in 57 games.
    Sure, the oilers gave away useful players like Brodziak, Glencross, and Cogliano, but those are much different stories.

    I was going to bring up Cogliano, but others already did it.

    And whether you buy the Cogliano example or not – you only need to walk away from a 48 in 57 player because of impatience just once to feel great (and deserved) shame! As a team, you’ll also feel the potential negative ramifications for years.

    Your Brodziak and Glencross (also Hejda, and in the more distant past, Ray Whitney and Miro Satan) examples are not exactly similar stories, but what I would say is that they are all symptoms of a related disease: a lack of patience in development, a belief that good players somehow “don’t fit”, coupled with an inability to recognize the need for and the value of role players and depth.

    The smart play here is to bring Lander up at the start of the year and give him the piss cutter test. If he fails, send him back to the AHL to continue to develop and help foster the development of other players. At some point, he’ll either blossom or he’ll go back to Sweden. Cutting that process short seems a waste of a 23-year-old prospect turning >ppg in the AHL.

  17. G Money says:

    VOR,

    We’re not so different in our assessment. I was on record quite early in saying next year will NOT be a playoff year simply because the number of changes and the amount of player development required is too great for any number of viable trades and free agent signings to cover in a single year – maybe not even in two years, but we’ll see how this summer shapes up.

    However, I will repeat – without some astute trades and signings, and even assuming development of the so-far-lagging youngsters, the playoffs even in two years will be a pipe dream.

    This summer is an important one for MacT and the Oilers precisely because it is the first year of at least a two year journey. If no progress is made this summer, it will be a two year journey next year. And the year after that. And so on …

  18. Ryan says:

    G Money:
    VOR,

    We’re not so different in our assessment.I was on record quite early in saying next year will NOT be a playoff year simply because the number of changes and the amount of player development required is too great for any number of viable trades and free agent signings to cover in a single year – maybe not even in two years, but we’ll see how this summer shapes up.

    However, I will repeat – without some astute trades and signings, and even assuming development of the so-far-lagging youngsters, the playoffs even in two years will be a pipe dream.

    This summer is an important one for MacT and the Oilers precisely because it is the first year of at least a two year journey.If no progress is made this summer, it will be a two year journey next year.And the year after that.And so on …

    I’ll go on record stating that Mact will need some Hof trades for the Oilers to make the playoffs in the next two years. :)

  19. One-Timer says:

    Horcoff buzzing along at 1 ppg against Anaheim.

  20. Ryan says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Ryan,

    It’s a bit of revisionist history on Cogliano. He had stalled in his development and still wanted top six minutes at C.

    That’s partly true, but…

    What’re the odds of getting an actual NHL PLAYER from a late 2nd round pick (the Cogliano return?)

  21. G Money says:

    Ryan,

    It’s easy being a perma-bear when it comes to the Oilers.

    If in the next year, all of the following things happen:
    - Ben Scrivens is the real deal (i.e. a ,920+ goalie)
    - RNH hits his stride and consistently puts up what this year were his 2Q numbers (games 21-40, 19 mins ATOI, 18 pts, +6)
    - Yak hits his stride and starts more consistently hitting the numbers he’s only been able to do in streaks so far (3g3a in 6 games, 4g5a in 9 games, 11g5a in 16 games)
    - Gagner’s noggin recovers and he reverts to his historical form (0.6 ppg, 48% Corsi player)

    will your assessment of how much MacT needs to do change?

  22. G Money says:

    Ryan: That’s partly true, but…

    What’re the odds of getting an actual NHL PLAYER from a late 2nd round pick (the Cogliano return?)

    For a forward, it is 55% to 47% chance of getting a player that will play at least 10 games.
    If your criteria is 80 games, it drops by about 10% (i.e. 45% to 37%). If 200 games, another 10% drop (i.e. 35% to 27%).

    Picks made 45 to 60 from 1998 to 2007 played approximately 800 games or so per pick (not per player, per pick position) over those years.

    See this excellent :-) article: http://www.coppernblue.com/2014/4/8/5594876/updating-draft-success-numbers-a-vainglorious-number-crunching

  23. Ryan says:

    G Money:
    Ryan,

    It’s easy being a perma-bear when it comes to the Oilers.

    If in the next year, all of the following things happen:
    - Ben Scrivens is the real deal (i.e. a ,920+ goalie)
    - RNH hits his stride and consistently puts up what this year were his 2Q numbers (games 21-40, 19 mins ATOI, 18 pts, +6)
    - Yak hits his stride and starts more consistently hitting the numbers he’s only been able to do in streaks so far (3g3a in 6 games, 4g5a in 9 games, 11g5a in 16 games)
    - Gagner’s noggin recovers and he reverts to his historical form (0.6 ppg, 48% Corsi player)

    will your assessment of how much MacT needs to do change?

    I like Mact.

    I really like Scrivens.

    I’m a little worried about RNH’s offense.

    I’m very worried about Yak as a draft pick.

    Gagner will recover, but I see the Oilers getting maybe 50 cents on the dollar this summer.

  24. Ryan says:

    Ryan: I like Mact.

    I really like Scrivens.

    I’m a little worried about RNH’s offense.

    I’m very worried about Yak as a draft pick.

    Gagner will recover, but I see the Oilers getting maybe 50 cents on the dollar this summer.

    Oh, and I’m the guy who has a source who says the Oilers are trading Yak before next season. :)

  25. G Money says:

    Ryan: Gagner will recover, but I see the Oilers getting maybe 50 cents on the dollar this summer.

    Ryan: Oh, and I’m the guy who has a source who says the Oilers are trading Yak before next season.

    Indeed. I fear that too – trading undervalued assets is the very definition of unastute. Unless MacT can get full (meaning potential) value for either or both guys, that would qualify as a HOF trade in my books.

  26. Ryan says:

    G Money: For a forward, it is 55% to 47% chance of getting a player that will play at least 10 games.
    If your criteria is 80 games, it drops by about 10% (i.e. 45% to 37%).If 200 games, another 10% drop (i.e. 35% to 27%).

    Picks made 45 to 60 from 1998 to 2007 played approximately 800 games or so per pick (not per player, per pick position) over those years.

    See this excellent article: http://www.coppernblue.com/2014/4/8/5594876/updating-draft-success-numbers-a-vainglorious-number-crunching

    Yes, I saw your post before. Great stuff with the number crunching though many have debated your cut-offs.

    As far as I’m concerned, you’re pure quality for the Oiligosphere!

  27. Ryan says:

    G Money:
    Indeed.I fear that too – trading undervalued assets is the very definition of unastute.Unless MacT can get full (meaning potential) value for either or both guys, that would qualify as a HOF trade in my books.

    I honestly fell upon a crazy good source who actually had the Oilers trading Yak at the deadline or the draft. If this happens, I’m Nostradamus here… if not I’m Eklund, I guess.

    Outside of my sources re: yak, it’s hard to imagine Mact winning either trade…

  28. One-Timer says:

    G Money:
    Ryan,

    It’s easy being a perma-bear when it comes to the Oilers.

    If in the next year, all of the following things happen:
    - Ben Scrivens is the real deal (i.e. a ,920+ goalie)
    - RNH hits his stride and consistently puts up what this year were his 2Q numbers (games 21-40, 19 mins ATOI, 18 pts, +6)
    - Yak hits his stride and starts more consistently hitting the numbers he’s only been able to do in streaks so far (3g3a in 6 games, 4g5a in 9 games, 11g5a in 16 games)
    - Gagner’s noggin recovers and he reverts to his historical form (0.6 ppg, 48% Corsi player)

    will your assessment of how much MacT needs to do change?

    All those things together might close about half of the 68-goal-differential gap (very rough estimate), but there would still be some way to go. Natural progression by other young players would also factor in. Maybe next year won’t be so bad after all…

    * puts on pink sunglasses *

  29. Lowetide says:

    Ryan: Oh, and I’m the guy who has a source who says the Oilers are trading Yak before next season.:)

    EVERYONE has a source who says the Oilers are trading Yakupov before next season.

  30. mumbai max says:

    Jonathan Toews is making the Sam Bennett draft case.

  31. mumbai max says:

    Ryan: I honestly fell upon a crazy good source who actually had the Oilers trading Yak at the deadline or the draft.If this happens, I’m Nostradamus here… if not I’m Eklund, I guess.

    Outside of my sources re: yak, it’s hard to imagine Mact winning either trade…

    Oh wait. Are YOU the guy with a source that says Yak is getting traded!?

  32. Caramel Obvious says:

    OilClog:
    Why is it assumed Lander would be successful on a winning team.

    1. Doesn’t hit
    2. Doesn’t score
    3. Doesn’t distribute
    4. Doesn’t overwhelm on the dot
    5. Petrell seemed like a better option, that hurts.

    Eakins playing him on the second line was one of the ugliest moves this season. He had no business lasting more then two shifts running along side Nuge and Ebs.

    What they wanted for their running mate.

    1. Player with speed
    2. Creates room
    3. Hits
    4. Contribute on the score sheet.

    Options: Lander or Pitlick.

    Pitlick.

    1. Big
    2. Fast
    3. Hits

    Can he score, he might along side Nuge and Ebs. He had injuries that never end, but he also saw the ice and never got a sniff of where he should of been given a chance. If Pitlick and Lander were racing for the puck down the boards, my money is on Pitlick.

    It says a lot about you that you think Pitlick is a better player than Lander. Pitlick is the definition of useless.

  33. VOR says:

    One-Timer,

    I probably should have pointed out that Regin, O’Brien, and Johnson are UFAs this year. All they cost is money and probably $3,500,000 gets you all three and you might have room for Lander as well. I was actually using the old Oilers of the EIG era as the model. Cheap, mid twenties, high compete levels, sideburns galore, and something to prove.

  34. G Money says:

    Ryan: Yes, I saw your post before. Great stuff with the number crunching though many have debated your cut-offs.
    As far as I’m concerned, you’re pure quality for the Oiligosphere!

    Thanks! That fishing for compliments worked way better than I thought it would!

    One-Timer: All those things together might close about half of the 68-goal-differential gap (very rough estimate), but there would still be some way to go.

    Yup. I see the things that I mentioned as being “necessary but not sufficient” to build a contender. Still further trades and development needed. To revert to topic: Lander could be one of those useful pieces, which is why I don’t want to give up on him. As for your rose glasses, see next section:

    VOR: I probably should have pointed out that Regin, O’Brien, and Johnson are UFAs this year. All they cost is money

    I should also note that in my response to your post in the previous thread, I threw out the names of Niskanen, Fayne, Kulemin, and Grabovski as ‘rebuild accelerators’ i.e. if we can get all four of those guys (all UFA costing nothing but money, just lots more than your proposal) AND the RNH/Yak/Schultz development takes place, we are a playoff team next year. I don’t see it happening but boy if it did … I’d buy a big house where we all could live. WTF, when did I become Elton John?

  35. Big Dan says:

    I am so glad MacT sees something in Lander that a lot of you don’t. Anton Lander will be a quality NHLer. Yeah he’s not fast and doesn’t score a lot and struggles at faceoffs so far. So what? Joakim Andersson did too for Detroit and now he’s a useful 3rd line RW. This Lander fellow will be a useful 4th liner for a long time… like say Mats Lindgren in the 90′s. There are inferior players winning Stanley Cups right now (Colin Fraser, Kyle Clifford, Dwight King).

    Lander has a future. All NHL teams need players of his ilk (Lance Bouma is another example in Calgary). He’s not going anywhere. He works his tail off and is gritty. He gets under opponents’ skin and with his attitude, he will only get better with time at playing all 3 F positions and penalty killing.

    Lander vs. Pitlick is no comparison. Pitlick is an occasional callup (like say Joe Hulbig); a plug in case of injuries. An “energy” player. Lander is a mainstay on almost any NHL team’s 4th line. Oilers have been flushing Brodziak’s and Chimera’s away for a decade; here is their chance to not screw one up. They have watched him develop and mature for two years in the AHL; this is about to bear fruit.

    Roman Horak will be even better. I said it about Hendricks after the Dubnyk dump and I’ll say it even louder about Horak. You guys are going to LOVE this guy next year. He can play all forward positions. He can score a little bit. He is smart defensively. He is quick. All he needed was time to fill out (I think he was only 180 lb or something. The kid is ready to be have a career on the 3rd line; he reminds me of Eric Haula in Minnesota.

    I’ve read the belly aching about Gazdic and our crappy 4th line for the last decade and it is certainly warranted. Our 4th line will NOT be the problem next year. Arco, Lander, and Horak will have the ability to cover for Gazdic – who does fill an important role. The BLACK HOLE on the Oiler team is the 2nd line (since the 3rd was fixed by the additions of Gordon and Hendricks) and defense.

    The strengths are the goaltending now and the 1st line… RNH is in year four and will take the ‘next step’ after a summer with two good shoulders to strengthen up.

    I am in total agreement to keep our young D for as long as possible, but would grudgingly deal Marincin if it meant getting a #1 pairing 25-minute/night veteran for the Klefbom’s and Schultz’s to lean on.

  36. hunter1909 says:

    Barely paid heed to the Stars game until 5 minutes left, lol.

    Remember wondering what level of frustration Taylor Hall was experiencing at 4-2 Dallas with the announcers falling over each other to praise, you guessed it; Tyler Seguin.

    Hockey is a game for the big boys; Getzlaf and Perry were unstoppable, so Horcoff+Seguin can now join Oilers on the course.

    QUESTION: Would Lowetide readers trade Oilers last season with Dallas right now, knowing they’re flushing away the 3rd overall pick?

  37. hunter1909 says:

    PS: Now is the time of MacT to be working the teletype machine, with teams like St Louis fed up and ready to flush perfectly good hockey players.

    Klefbom probably won’t make the show due to injuries. Trade him.(I’d keep every last prospect to see if they turn out, but it’s not my team)

  38. hunter1909 says:

    G Money: WTF, when did I become Elton John?

    The day you turned up at work with your new hair system.

  39. Genjutsu says:

    I would hope they bring him to training camp and see what’s what in the fall. If they feel like they have 14 better forward options at the end of camp then its time to move on.

    I’m very skeptical that they will have 12 better options. By my count that current number is 9.

    Lots of highway between now and the fall.

    We wait.

  40. Hammers says:

    I start with a wasted asset but that’s on Tambellini . You have to be able to tell these kids they need to go back to junior or go to the AHL . The Oil didn’t do that with Lander ( and others ) so his development is behind at least 1 1/2 years . My feeling is that by all accounts both in Sweden & Okl they have recognized character and that’s why he was captain . Sure you can trade him ; loose him say back to Sweden or another NHL team but in my opinion he will be an NHL player somewhere . Does McT see that ? Only he knows for sure . LT I think he stays .

  41. DeadmanWaking says:

    VOR:
    We always refer to Detroit and their development system. Why act as if we can’t do the same? The only difference really is patience.

    Syllogism time:

    Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.

    This here is the colon-colon bit.

    Patience comes from success. Success comes from impatience.

  42. jake70 says:

    His first year in North America, he started with the Oilers and was sent to AHL waaaay too late in season. Chris Vandevelde should have been in his place instead for a good tryout with the big team, maybe the numbers will correct me but there most likely would not have been a big drop off in impact. That way Lander starts his NA developement in AHL, Vandevelde gets some NHL games, and maybe you get a late draft pick for him. He is no longer Oiler property and you got nothing for him and Lander arguably wasted a year. I sure would like to know the arrangements some of these players have to get them to come over to NA – Lander and agent says he will go over only if given a good chunk of season before they can send him to AHL?

  43. thejonrmcleod says:

    I do like the idea of a Hendricks-Gordon-Lander 4th line.

  44. j says:

    hunter1909,

    Yes. You have to learn to crawl before you can run. Playoff appearances for the Benn’s and big Nik are going to make these guys incredibly hungry. I’d rather have that passion throughout our current lineup than a 3rd overall pick. Hands down.

  45. Bruce McCurdy says:

    it’s difficult to keep all the balls in the air

    Maybe we should follow Colorado’s lead & put our balls on the table.

  46. VOR says:

    Deadman Waking,

    Your quote is misattributed. I didn’t say it. I believe it was GMONEY.

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