RE 13-14 TAYLOR HALL: INTO THE MYSTIC

This season, Taylor Hall hit the high seas and fought epic battles, internal and external. Without really knowing, one guesses he fought change, suffered through a communication breakdown with a rookie coach, and miles of frustration, before finally letting loose and doing what he was put on this earth to do: rip  it up. Taylor Hall had a complicated season.

TAYLOR HALL 10-11

  • 5×5 points per 60: 1.78 (4th among regular forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 3.27 (8th among regular forwards)
  • Qual Comp: 2nd toughest among regular forwards
  • Qual Team: 5th best teammates among regular forwards
  • Corsi Rel: 10.3 (best among regular forwards)
  • Zone Start: 52.0% (4th easiest among regular forwards)
  • Zone Finish: 51.2% (7th best among regular forwards)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 186/11.8% (4th among F’s>100 shots)
  • Boxcars: 65gp, 22-20-42 (led the team in goals as a rookie)
  • Plus Minus: -9 on a team that was -52.

TAYLOR HALL 11-12

  • 5×5 points per 60: 2.07 (2nd among regular forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 5.95 (2nd among regular forwards)
  • Corsi For 5×5 %: 52.3 (+6.5 Corsi for Rel %)
  • Qual Comp: 6th toughest among regular forwards
  • Qual Team: best teammates among regular forwards
  • Corsi Rel: 15.2 (best among regular forwards)
  • Zone Start: 56.5% (3rd easiest among regular forwards)
  • Zone Finish: 53.6% (2nd best among regular forwards)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 207/13% (3rd among F’s>100 shots)
  • Boxcars: 61gp, 27-26-53 (led the team in PP goals-13)
  • Plus Minus: -3 on a team that was -26

TAYLOR HALL 12-13

  • 5×5 points per 60: 3.15 (1st among regular forwards, 6th in NHL, 2nd in WC)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 5.74 (3rd among regular forwards)
  • Corsi For 5×5 %: 50.4 (+8.6 Corsi for Rel %)
  • Qual Comp: 2nd toughest among regular forwards (top line opp)
  • Qual Team: 2nd best teammates among regular forwards (top linemates)
  • Corsi Rel: 20.3 (2nd best among regular forwards)
  • Zone Start: 54.8% (easiest among regular forwards)
  • Zone Finish: 47.9% (2nd best among regular forwards)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 154/10.39% (6th among F’s>70 shots)
  • Boxcars: 45gp, 16-34-50 +5 (led the team in points)
  • Plus Minus: +5 on a team that was -15

TAYLOR HALL 13-14 (some rankings & numbers subject to change)

  • 5×5 points per 60: 2.79 (1st among regular forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 4.43 (3rd among regular PP forwards)
  • Corsi For 5×5 %: 44.4 (+0.4 Corsi for Rel %)
  • Qual Comp: toughest among regular forwards (top line opp)
  • Qual Team: 4th best teammates among regular forwards (second line)
  • Corsi Rel: 3.1 (5th best among regular forwards)
  • Zone Start: 57.1% (3rd easiest among regular forwards)
  • Zone Finish: 49.7% (2nd best among regular forwards)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 250/10.8% (3rd among F’s>100 shots)
  • Boxcars: 75gp, 27-53-80 -15 (led the team in points)
  • Plus Minus: -15 on a team that was -51

RE: 70, 37-45-82 (1.17 per game)

ACTUAL: 75, 27-53-80 (1.07 per game)

  1. What the hell happened? New coach, new approach. These things happen.
  2. His underlying numbers suck! Well, if you’ve read the Dellow diaries about Hall, you know the theory revolves around Hall spending some time curtailing his controlled zone entries, which impacted the success of Hall’s line.
  3. The boxcars are good. This is a thoroughbred. Taylor Hall was touched by God.
  4. Your RE is once again a trainwreck. Give the hell up. Actually, I’m pleased with this RE. It’s 8 points away, but if the PP was any damn good at all he’d be closer. I think we have Taylor Hall surrounded as an offensive player, and he’s beautiful.
  5. Where does he rank league wide? Hall finished in a 7th place tie for points (with Phil Kessel) although there are teams who play today. He’s the #1 LW in league scoring, and ranks 4th (75GP, 20-42-62) in EV scoring—trailing only Crosby, Getzlaf and Perry. Taylor Hall finished four points behind Sidney Crosby in the discipline.
  6. Crosby played fewer games! Actually, no. Crosby played 80, Hall 75.
  7. Where did he finish 5×5/60 at BTN? The final numbers won’t be downloaded until the season’s over, but he was second last glance.
  8. He won’t make the end of season All-Star team, though. The writers can elect Lou Nanne for all I care, this guy is top drawer playing for an awful hockey club. This is an elite player, I don’t need anyone to tell me so. The hockey writers omitting Hall last year reflected badly on them, should they choose to do it again, their credibility sinks even lower. The writers have a problem, not Taylor Hall.
  9. Why this song? Lots of reasons. It’s about finding your place in the world around you, about battles real and imagined, about great passion, about being young and letting “your spirit fly”. It’s also incredibly beautiful, a very simple song with a striking melody and mystery in the lyrics. It was written (and is sung) by a young man who, while famous, has not quite received his due from the world. It’s a very good fit for Hall.
  10. Did you consider another song? Yes. Ballerina.
  11. Ha! So what’s next? Well, if he wants to stay in Edmonton and play in the second division, we should thank the good lord above for our good fortune. Sooner or later, this team either turns north or the entire roster will fly into the sun, Hall included.
  12. Should we talk about Eakins here? Sure, I expect we’ll have an Eakins section in most of these RE’s.
  13. Eakins damaged the team. I think MacT would have been wise to place him with a very experienced coach, one with heading coaching experience. I also think it’s a bad idea to keep running the same assistants every season—bad for them and bad for the team. One suspects we’ll see some changes there.
  14. Eakins damaged the team. My suspicion is that MacT felt the team needed a strong coach, someone who would go to the whip more than Krueger. That’s from the outside looking in, but it makes sense. It’s not a stretch to believe a coach coming in as Eakins did would receive some pushback, and I do believe the terrible start contributed to the difficult transition to Eakins’ leadership. They finished the season 17-20-6 after a 12-24-3 start; if you roll their finish over a full season, it becomes 34-40-8 (or so). I think that’s a reasonable expectation for next year, but would guess they finish about 36-37-9, or in the 80 point range.
  15. So, they’re still 28th? I think 22-25th is probably in the range of reasonable, but if they finished 28th next season no one should be surprised.
  16. WHAT THE HELL!!! If Craig MacTavish decided today that he wanted to turn north next season, he could trade his lottery pick for Christian Ehrhoff, spend insane money to get Paul Stastny and overpay Winnik and Moss. I don’t think he’ll do it.
  17. What will he do? I suspect they’ll shop for Markov and Hainsey on blue, and they’ll try to land Stastny, Winnik and Moss. But they won’t blow their brains out and they will not trade the men who are part of the future.
  18. Who do you believe is on that list? Hall, Nuge, Eberle, Schultz, Klefbom, Nurse.
  19. They would trade Yakupov? Yes.
  20. Why???? MacT’s going to build up the middle, and Yakupov is expendable on an Eakins team.
  21. What happened there? We’ll talk about it in the Yak City RE.
  22. Back to Hall. What can we expect next season? What comes after 80?

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109 Responses to "RE 13-14 TAYLOR HALL: INTO THE MYSTIC"

  1. Woodguy says:

    I freaking love your “RE:” series LT.

    Top grade stuff.

    Beats the crap out of anything ever printed on fishwrap.

  2. anonymous says:

    Good on Hall, done well on a bad team. Never been happier for a season to end.

    Hope your wrong about Yak, really be poor timing.

  3. oliveoilers says:

    LT: Point 15. I think 20th would be awesome, but lower than 25th and there’s changes again. I wouldn’t be surprised if MacT didn’t mix the two approaches. One vast overpay, and some wheeling and dealing value. I would be surprised at a 28th place finish. MacT has always had a strong sense of self-preservation. I just can’t see the team tanking again and ticket sales surviving. I think, out of all the Mulligans they’ve had, this season could actually be the one that pissed people off the most.

  4. oliveoilers says:

    Now, if we can get Hall to study video of Chris Kunitz…………

  5. Rondo says:

    With all due respect to Hall, Crosby, Getzlaf and Perry are targeted by every team they play., and opposing teams play harder against better teams.

    Not all points are equal.

  6. gcw_rocks says:

    . They finished the season 17-20-6 after a 12-24-3 start; if you roll their finish over a full season, it becomes 34-40-8 (or so).

    The underlying stats didn’t improve at all during the year. I will update the west vs west numbers later, but up to game 81, there was major suckage start to finish. The only changes coming in results coming from steaks of bad and good goaltending. Not sure it is realistic to project the hot goaltending over the full season. Just ask the Leafs.

  7. KSC10032 says:

    And thanks for your ongoing efforts to expose some of your “less vintage” followers to the genius of some of the music you link to.

    Van Morrison remains one of the greatest musical artists of the last 50(!!!) years. This song is — arguably — his greatest achievement. (BTW — there are members of the equally legendary Modern Jazz Quartet in the rhythm section of this number). Magic in every groove.

    Like all such performers, Morrison is not without warts — he is one of the grumpiest bastards in history, and has suffered off and on from significant stage-fright his entire career. But at his best,…., well, it is incomparable stuff.

    BTW — should the Oilers offer Stasny the same deal they put in front of Clarkson, and get him signed, that would underline just how big a bullet MacTavish dodged last summer. I still like Clarkson, but Stasny is far more talented.

  8. Woodguy says:

    Hall is a ridiculous talent and the Oilers are very lucky to have him.

    By every metric he’s one of the best in the NHL and now that he’s maturing, there is no question that he is among the elite in the NHL.

    He won’t make the end of season All-Star team, though. The writers can elect Lou Nanne for all I care, this guy is top drawer playing for an awful hockey club. This is an elite player, I don’t need anyone to tell me so. The hockey writers omitting Hall last year reflected badly on them, should they choose to do it again, their credibility sinks even lower. The writers have a problem, not Taylor Hall.

    You’re spot on here.

    The ladies auxiliary of the NHL Club (MSM writers) have tut-tutted a variety of issues around Hall up until the end of this year.

    There seems to have been a memo that Hall is actually very good, so the stories changed.

    All of sudden Hall “has learned defensive responsiblity”

    The talking heads at TSN nod at each other sagely while talking about how Hall “finally gets it”

    Nevermind that last year, when he was still “selfish, petulant, etc” he put up better defensive numbers than this year (shots against etc.)

    The worm turned and the story changed.

    He was a wild horse to be broken and Eakins/MacT broke him and turned him into a 200ft player.

    Nevermind that the underlying numbers don’t support this at all, its the narrative and therefore the truth.

    They men and women who write these stories and admonish us to “watch the games” haven’t watched all the Hall games that we have.

    They haven’t watched with the intensity or desire to understand that we have.

    They haven’t rewound play after play to try to understand the structure of what Eakins is trying to do and figuring out who is playing it correctly and who isn’t.

    No, the High Priests and Priestesses and Gatekeepers of the locker-room access have decided he is better, and therefore that is the truth.

    Results be damned.

  9. flyfish1168 says:

    Many people that vote on the All-Star team probably hasn’t seen Hall play. They just pigeon hole him and don’t do their do diligence. Frustrating as it sounds, damage was done by Lindy Ruff benching Hall last year during the worlds. Every time I mention it to friends that is the 1st thing that is bring up, you can’t trust him on he defensive side.

    Past history still lingers as much as you hate it.

  10. gr8one says:

    Hey LT, I know this is a little off topic, but considering last nights farewell to Smytty and the 2013-14 season, this song has come to mind many times this season and I thought to be very fitting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAnJw9Ctqkc

    Sail on 13-14 Oilers season…you will not be missed.

    On topic.

    Man, if they could get Markov for two seasons and Stastny plus some depth wingers with size what an absolute joy of an offseason that would be.

    Please don’t trade Yak!!!

    If I were being honest with myself I think it would be more prudent for Eberle to be the one shipped out, the return would be immense, but ideally, we keep both those wingers, the Gords shine upon for a moment and allow us a Stastny and the Gagner trade for a player like Bailey happens and our C depth starting next year looks something like Stastny, Nuge, Bailey, Gordon…I know I said I don’t like Bailey as our 2C but bump him down a line and I’m on board big time, especially if one of Arco, Lander, Horak have an impressive training camp than maybe you have a third line with one of them converted to the wing that you can interchange as C as needed.

  11. oliveoilers says:

    Rondo:
    With all due respect to Hall,Crosby, Getzlaf and Perry are targeted by every team they play., and opposing teams play harder against better teams.

    Sorry Rondo, but that is one of the biggest false narratives out there. Every NHL player in every interview acknowledges that any team can beat any other. You WANT the gimme points. You need them, since home ice advantage is a proven statistic. And as a professional player, do you seriously want to be owned by cellar-dwellers? The reason it seems that good teams play harder against better opposition is that usually better teams have better coaching and players!

    But, let me assure you, I don’t even need fancy stats, EVERY team tries hard when Hall is on the ice.

  12. Rondo says:

    They won’t trade Yakupov because his value has dropped considerably.

  13. Lowetide says:

    Gr8One: That’s one of my favorite Blue Rodeo songs. Love that band.

  14. oliveoilers says:

    gcw_rocks:
    . They finished the season 17-20-6 after a 12-24-3 start; if you roll their finish over a full season, it becomes 34-40-8 (or so).

    The underlying stats didn’t improve at all during the year. I will update the west vs west numbers later, but up to game 81, there was major suckage start to finish. The only changes coming in results coming from steaks of bad and good goaltending.Not sure it is realistic to project the hot goaltending over the full season. Just ask the Leafs.

    Perhaps if we discount the games that some posters think are ‘meaningless’?

  15. Rondo says:

    Woodguy,

    Last nights game Vancouver played like Edmonton usually does. Very little defense. It was a flag football game last night.

  16. oliveoilers says:

    flyfish1168:
    Many people that vote on the All-Star team probably hasn’t seen Hall play. They just pigeon hole him and don’t do their do diligence. Frustrating as it sounds, damage was done by Lindy Ruff benching Hall last year during the worlds. Every time I mention it to friends that is the 1st thing that is bring up, you can’t trust him on he defensive side.

    Past history still lingers as much as you hate it.

    That’s why you play him with a Patrice Bergeron type. If Hall is constantly defending in his own zone, then the team has other problems. Big problems.

  17. Rondo says:

    oliveoilers,

    I’m sure in their pre game against Edmonton they say you need to watch Hall, but they end up playing Edmonton and bad teams usually bring the worst out of good teams. No way a team like LA plays the same against Edmonton as they do with SJ. Long season there are games that are circled.

  18. gr8one says:

    gr8one:
    Pretty hard to ignore Hall’s season if you’re a writer and all you research is what’s in the following link. And if you dig deeper the argument gets even better I think.

    Assuming(I know, I know) the writers are smart enough to ignore Ovie on that list I think you could make a pretty good argument for Benn and/or Sharp on that list but he certainly can’t be ignored, that’s for sure.

    This comment was marked as spam while I was trying to code the link to make it appear without having to click.

    Ooops.

    http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/fraglez/stats_zps0ad645eb.jpg

  19. gr8one says:

    Lowetide:
    Gr8One: That’s one of my favorite Blue Rodeo songs. Love that band.

    Indeed, great great band. Jim Cuddy has some fantastic solo stuff too.

  20. sumaclab says:

    The 10 or so games he languished at center. RNH coming back not 100%.Gagnerlosing half his face.Arcobello in his first regular season stint. New Coach. New System. Goaltending that killed us early and often. How many times were we shutout this season? 10?

    80 points! By the great Gazoo I am head over heels jumping for freaking joy when you factor all that into the season.

    I am fraking ecstatic with how Hall adapted and persevered through all of the turmoil and still he came out of the wringer a better player at the end of the year than when he began the year.

    A top 10 player on a 28th place team. The Sundins got what 40 points each? He is worth 2 Sundins.

    Flyfish1168 alludes to his defensive issues. MacT always believed you could teach defence but you could not teach skill.
    Hall,RNH,Eberle are still kids. Give them time to learn.

    Gagner. Not only does he get a mulligan because he lost half the season to Kassians stupidity
    but he gets a mulligan from me based on the fact that Eakins is the first coach to actually ask him to play defence instead of trying to carry the team offensively.If Stastny is signed.Gagner is a perfect 3rd line center option for this team. But Stastny is not going to be signed because the money willto steep. And your not starting Arcobello at 2cd line center next year.

    There will be changes.The beatings will continue until moral improves.MacT is moving thisboulder up the mountain but it will take time.

  21. gcw_rocks says:

    West vs West:

    Coach Period CF% FF%

    Krueger 2013 44.46% 44.84%

    Krueger Last 20 45.27% 45.21%

    Eakins 2013/2014 43.43% 42.38%

    Eakins Since Jan 1 42.54% 41.47%

    Eakins Last 20 43.08% 42.15%

    Season Krueger Eakins Difference
    CF% 44.46% 43.43% 1.03%
    FF% 44.84% 42.38% 2.45%

    Last 20 Krueger Eakins Difference
    CF% 45.27% 43.08% 2.19%
    FF% 45.21% 42.15% 3.06%

    If you believe these underlying stats are a better indicator of the team’s performance, then MacT really screwed the pooch. You can’t blame this on Dubnyk. MacT may have been active, but his decisions led to a team that under-performed a “neglected” team helmed by a coach he deemed not good enough, and didn’t have the benefit of a training camp. And while the previous years’ team finished the season trending up, the MacT team at best was treading water.

    Ladies and gentlemen, your MacT Edmonton Oilers.

  22. gr8one says:

    Speaking of Mr. Cuddy.

    I think there are many posters here that could relate to this song relating to this blog and the posters here.

    The Oilers should give LT some sort of award for single-handedly keeping many of us interested as fans through these dismal years.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6YZo0ZIGSU

  23. Gret99zky says:

    Well done, LT.

    That guy asking the questions, I’d like to meet him some day.

  24. Maverick says:

    Wow, what a wonderful night. As it has been said, it felt like a family again yesterday, pulled on my heart strings and I enjoyed every minute of it. (yes, a few tears were shed)

    Honestly, I have been distancing myself from this organization for a few years, the disappointment we all feel as fans as the team struggles creates a unemotional barrier between the fans and the organization. But I for one, would like to thank them for showing us that they can still be a first class organization and the love of the game of hockey still exists.

    Smyth was a emotional person and player and I will miss him, as he bleed not only the Oiler colors but also that of the City.

  25. flyfish1168 says:

    oliveoilers: That’s why you play him with a Patrice Bergeron type. If Hall is constantly defending in his own zone, then the team has other problems. Big problems.

    Good point. I was trying to point out that I feel Hall has improved on the defensive side of his game. But its an uphill battle to convince people that there is improvement. Its hard to change the tide when its so wide. All it takes is one memorable moment that everyone remembers, like the Lindy Ruff incidence.

    Paul Coffey didn’t get any recognition that he can play some defense until the 1984 Canada Cup where he broke up a 2 on 1 play

  26. Rondo says:

    oliveoilers,

    I compare Advanced Stats to a MRI. Good physicians order MRIs to confirm a diagnosis, not to find one.

    Good GM’s use advanced stats to confirm an opinion.

  27. flyfish1168 says:

    Rondo: They won’t trade Yakupov because his value has dropped considerably.

    I hope you are correct. I do think MacT may not want deal with signing him to the 6 x 36 contract like he did with Hall Eberle and RNH. Yak is headed to an interesting summer.

    I hope he comes out and prove everyone wrong wherever he is next season.

  28. 719 says:

    This RE: Series and the Draft are the best things to look forward to NHL wise at the end of the year, which is very sad.

    As for Yakupov, it does seem as he will be traded. The verbal coming from the “connected” posters here, the Dreger comments, the fact that Yakupov wasn’t in the team picture at Smytty’s retirement, and how he stood away from his teammates on the bench. There is a disconnect between the team and our young Russian superstar. I see a Sail on Yakupov article coming around the draft.

  29. Maverick says:

    Just a follow up thought, every organization needs a few players who are not scared to be emotional (its not a weakness, its a strength) its part of the character of a player. Smyth was that type of player, who plays for the logo on the front and always poured his heart and soul into the game. Looking at last night which players do all of you feel has that quality that Ryan Smyth possesses?

    I saw something last night, was only for a brief moment, watching CBC that I felt was important moving forward and wanted to add it to the upcoming RE series but I think I will add it now cause it goes with my train of thought at the moment.

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=4&id=602800

    The Oilers website has a few highlights from last night and at the 2:35 mark is what I saw last night and we all know Yakupov loves the game on and off the ice and his passion may someday reach Smyth levels. I for one hope Yakupov stays, Oilers need a few players like that.

  30. Nuckout says:

    All things considered, the RE for Hall is pretty damn close, he’s up among the league elite, and that’s a refreshing thing to have under your belt looking forward to 14-15.

    Hindsight, there will always be a period of uncertainty with any new authority figure, coach, teacher, boss, etc. I know from experience on both ends, the whole “new boss in an old group” situation can be awkward, intimidating, and a complete drag until the cobwebs are worked out, and relationships are formed and bonds are made. That can’t happen right away, and with Eakins, 14-15 will show how well he is at forming those strong bonds with people that contribute to success. I am glad he gets next year to prove this.

    Like MacT said, add the right supporting pieces in the offseason, and it’s possible that we could have some hope next year. Not the kind of season starting hope we’re used to, but a “turned the corner” sort of hope.

  31. Maverick says:

    719,

    I have to disagree there, he stood back after he hugged Smyth as did Ference and Eakins moved back after as well. (see my above link)

    Yakupov is a 20 year old emotional kid who is still finding his way as a person and a NHL player. When we were all 20 were we all comfortable with our display of emotions?

  32. gcw_rocks says:

    For extra fun, by my calculations, the Oilers took 35 of a possible 100 points against the west this season (30 points for wins, plus 5 Bettman points). Last season, the Oilers took 45 of a possible 96 points against the west. If you want to focus on their record, the team saw major regression against the west. And you can’t pin that on Dubnyk, because his part of the season was heavily weighted to teams in the east.

    Eakins made hay against the East (relatively speaking), taking 32 of a possible 64 points.

    Question – is Krueger, whose underlying stats were better, delivered the same or better record against the east, 32 points, plus 47 against the west (normalizing his performance to 50 games against the west) he would have delivered a 79 point season. Does he get fired if he finishes the season around 79 points or slightly better?

  33. Nuckout says:

    gcw_rocks:
    For extra fun, by my calculations, the Oilers took 35 of a possible 100 points against the west this season (30 points for wins, plus 5 Bettman points).Last season, the Oilers took 45 of a possible 96 points against the west.If you want to focus on their record, the team saw major regression against the west.And you can’t pin that on Dubnyk, because his part of the season was heavily weighted to teams in the east.

    Eakins made hay against the East (relatively speaking), taking 32 of a possible 64 points.

    Question – is Krueger, whose underlying stats were better, delivered the same or better record against the east, 32 points, plus 47 against the west (normalizing his performance to 50 games against the west) he would have delivered a 79 point season.Does he get fired if he finishes the season around 79 points or slightly better?

    As much as one would like to pin the whole thing on Dubnyk, he was only a part of the year’s collapse. He got pushed just a little too far under the wheels of the bus.

  34. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “Sooner or later, this team either turns north or the entire roster will fly into the sun, Hall included.”

    See… it should have been Floyd!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zuEfmmCA5s

    ————-
    “I also think it’s a bad idea to keep running the same assistants every season—bad for them and bad for the team. One suspects we’ll see some changes there.”

    this is a really good point that in my seething rage I haven’t considered before.

    If Smith and Bucky ever want to work again as coaches after they inevitably move on from the Oilers, they should have left the team years ago.

    Now, I think it is fair to say a lot of the problems are laid at their feet — one presumes they are getting what they deserve… but who can really tell.

    ————
    “WHAT THE HELL!!! If Craig MacTavish decided today that he wanted to turn north next season, he could trade his lottery pick for Christian Ehrhoff, spend insane money to get Paul Stastny and overpay Winnik and Moss. I don’t think he’ll do it.”

    Now, that would be bold!

  35. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I paid tribute to Hank and his brother here:

    http://theoilersrig.com/2014/04/hank/

  36. justDOit says:

    Great to see Smyth parked at the edge of the blue paint for the PPs last night, if it was for the last time. I guess being tied with Anderson for PPGs isn’t anything to be ashamed about.

    Now, is it too early to hope that MacT reserves Stambellini’s services for the draft lotto? That man was magic when things were left to chance!

  37. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    anyone got a link to today’s Baron game?

    can’t find one.

  38. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy:
    Hall is a ridiculous talent and the Oilers are very lucky to have him.

    By every metric he’s one of the best in the NHL and now that he’s maturing, there is no question that he is among the elite in the NHL.

    He won’t make the end of season All-Star team, though. The writers can elect Lou Nanne for all I care, this guy is top drawer playing for an awful hockey club. This is an elite player, I don’t need anyone to tell me so. The hockey writers omitting Hall last year reflected badly on them, should they choose to do it again, their credibility sinks even lower. The writers have a problem, not Taylor Hall.

    You’re spot on here.

    The ladies auxiliary of the NHL Club (MSM writers) have tut-tutted a variety of issues around Hall up until the end of this year.

    There seems to have been a memo that Hall is actually very good, so the stories changed.

    All of sudden Hall “has learned defensive responsiblity”

    The talking heads at TSN nod at each other sagely while talking about how Hall “finally gets it”

    Nevermind that last year, when he was still “selfish, petulant, etc”he put up better defensive numbers than this year (shots against etc.)

    The worm turned and the story changed.

    He was a wild horse to be broken and Eakins/MacT broke him and turned him into a 200ft player.

    Nevermind that the underlying numbers don’t support this at all, its the narrative and therefore the truth.

    They men and women who write these stories and admonish us to “watch the games” haven’t watched all the Hall games that we have.

    They haven’t watched with the intensity or desire to understand that we have.

    They haven’t rewound play after play to try to understand the structure of what Eakins is trying to do and figuring out who is playing it correctly and who isn’t.

    No, the High Priests and Priestesses and Gatekeepers of the locker-room access have decided he is better, and therefore that is the truth.

    Results be damned.

    Preach! brother… hallelujah!

  39. 719 says:

    Maverick,

    I would hope for nothing more than you being right. I have grown attached to Yakupov, the emotion he displays really resonates with me. His happy go lucky attitude, his commitment to Edmonton, his general burning desire, all things I love in a player who plays here. I have a feeling if he was from Banff, Alberta rather than Russia, the way the team treated would be very different.

  40. Woodguy says:

    gcw_rocks:
    West vs West:

    CoachPeriodCF% FF%

    Krueger201344.46%44.84%

    KruegerLast 2045.27%45.21%

    Eakins2013/201443.43%42.38%

    EakinsSince Jan 142.54%41.47%

    EakinsLast 2043.08%42.15%

    SeasonKruegerEakinsDifference
    CF%44.46%43.43%1.03%
    FF%44.84%42.38%2.45%

    Last 20KruegerEakinsDifference
    CF%45.27%43.08%2.19%
    FF%45.21%42.15%3.06%

    If you believe these underlying stats are a better indicator of the team’s performance, then MacT really screwed the pooch.You can’t blame this on Dubnyk.MacT may have been active, but his decisions led to a team that under-performed a “neglected” team helmed by a coach he deemed not good enough, and didn’t have the benefit of a training camp.And while the previous years’ team finished the season trending up, the MacT team at best was treading water.

    Ladies and gentlemen, your MacT Edmonton Oilers.

    You should save this for the Eakins thread.

  41. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    anyone got a link to today’s Baron game?

    can’t find one.

    It’s on television, so linking shouldn’t be difficult.

  42. Lowetide says:

    Sabres shopping Ehrhoff, Foligno, others.

    http://beta.thescore.com/news/479604

  43. DeadmanWaking says:

    gcw_rocks: Krueger, whose underlying stats were better

    There’s nothing comparable about Krueger’s short season with the magic training camp. Krueger had also been with the team the previous season and wasn’t starting cold. This year by the time we played most of our games against the western teams, we were already out of contention.

    Even if it doesn’t affect the players (it does), Eakins already has one eye on the following season. He’s putting Nuge on the PK because some day in a critical play-off game after a key injury he’ll be glad Nugent has mastered the discipline.

    If Eakins actually spent the last sixty games trying to prove he really was better than Krueger by stacking the deck in short term objectives, then he truly does deserve to be fired.

    Meanwhile, MacT looked at the standings and decided to trade Smid away for magic beans ’cause Larson was just so ready.

    Most of all, it’s just wrong to judge an inexperienced head coach at the end of his first season, unless he’s clearly in over his head. Eakins might not have what it takes, but it’s awfully hard to follow his post game interviews and conclude he’s in over his head. It’s a tough job. Like any other tough job, one learns by doing.

    What you’re really expressing is that you don’t want the burden of bringing a rookie along to land on your watch.

    NIMPS: Not in My Premium Subscription.

    Of the coaches with experience and a track record of one success after another, few of the gems shake loose. But there’s always a Torts to be had, if there’s any concern. At the end of the day, the franchises with the great coaches probably paid the price to bring them along before they became great coaches.

    So which rookie coach is going to become tomorrow’s great coach? Tough to say. I’d certainly want to assess their capacity to learn from their rookie mistakes over the off-season before coming to a final conclusion.

  44. oliveoilers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Preach! brother… hallelujah!

    I have been reading books by two authors, Professor Ian Stewart, an Emeritus Professor of Mathematics at Warwick University and Dr. Jack Cohen, a reproductive biologist. They teamed up with the intent of making very difficult subjects understandable for the feeble minded like myself. They will take a scientific theory and explain not only the physical aspects of it, but the sociological impact and philosophy behind it. They have a theory that man should not be ‘Homo Sapien’, but Pan Narritivum; the story telling chimp. This is because we are hard wired to notice patterns and associations to patterns. One way of doing this is through story telling. For example: Don’t do that, it’ll make you go blind. (Hence the retort: Dad, I’m over here.”) But society is changing, as your inaugural article beautifully put, to the information age, where it is a matter of seconds to check factual content virtually anywhere on the planet. Basically, if you are going to make a sweeping statement like “Chris Kunitz is better than Taylor Hall”, then you better be protecting your credibility with some cold hard facts. (Not you personally, Rom!)

  45. oliveoilers says:

    Lowetide:
    Sabres shopping Ehrhoff, Foligno, others.

    http://beta.thescore.com/news/479604

    We still got the rights to O’Mark?

  46. stevezie says:

    I love the numbers on this blog, but for my money LT is at his best when he is just talking about hockey- waxing poetic rather than mathematic. I love this series.

    What a great song. I don’t know VM too well so I’m looking forward to an education.

  47. Rebilled says:

    Hall would like good with the captaincy.

    Ference would look on the bayou.

    This(again?) will be a very interesting offseason. If MacT does trade the #3ish pick, Gags, and Yak what does he get? I don’t see MacT wanting to emulate Tambo operandi.

    Goaltending will help this team next year. The former starting goalie now plays for the Hamilton Bulldogs and the goalie before that was too good, the most valuable player this team has ever seen.

  48. stevezie says:

    Lowetide,

    We all know about Erhoff, but Foligno would also fit nicely here, wouldn’t he?

  49. oliveoilers says:

    stevezie:
    Lowetide,

    We all know about Erhoff, but Foligno would also fit nicely here, wouldn’t he?

    Maybe Stewart?

  50. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: It’s on television, so linking shouldn’t be difficult.

    Over the course of the year, I’ve found that the random SN game that gets picked up (AHL, junior, etc.) is rarely streamed online (well… the way I get the streams anyhow).

    I don’t know why… but that’s proven the case many times.

    At any rate, I’m hoping a link pops up. I missed Nurse’s first game.

  51. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    Sabres shopping Ehrhoff, Foligno, others.

    http://beta.thescore.com/news/479604

    I like this. Like it a lot.

    I think it’s best we go shopping in the East anyway. GMs have a weird aversion to intra-division/conference trading.

    A big multi-player deal could be had.

    Only problem is… they probably don’t want players as much as picks and prospects if they are clearing cupboards… curious situation.

  52. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    oliveoilers: I have been reading books by two authors, Professor Ian Stewart, an Emeritus Professor of Mathematics at Warwick University and Dr. Jack Cohen, a reproductive biologist.They teamed up with the intent of making very difficult subjects understandable for the feeble minded like myself.They will take a scientific theory and explain not only the physical aspects of it, but the sociological impact and philosophy behind it.They have a theory that man should not be ‘Homo Sapien’, but Pan Narritivum; the story telling chimp.This is because we are hard wired to notice patterns and associations to patterns.One way of doing this is through story telling.For example:Don’t do that, it’ll make you go blind.(Hence the retort:Dad, I’m over here.”)But society is changing, as your inaugural article beautifully put, to the information age, where it is a matter of seconds to check factual content virtually anywhere on the planet.Basically, if you are going to make a sweeping statement like “Chris Kunitz is better than Taylor Hall”, then you better be protecting your credibility with some cold hard facts.(Not you personally, Rom!)

    great post. sounds like an interesting read.

    I think you can see signs of even the most ardent anti-stats/super-narrative folks cracking.

    One thing I’ve noticed lately was the turn in the narrative from “explain Toronto, then, nerd!” to “well, explain the Avs, then!”

    One of the interesting things here is that you have to have some minor knowledge of shot metrics to even make that statement dismissing shot metrics, i.e., you have to know that the Avs aren’t a good possession team.

    I’m not going to say that is progress, but it does mean that how people used to think the game is becoming increasingly problematized for them.

  53. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Sabres shopping Ehrhoff, Foligno, others.

    http://beta.thescore.com/news/479604

    Stafford!!

    I put the over/under on the number of times Matty mentions Stafford this summer at 13.

    Hey LT, Did you know that the Oilers liked Stafford in his draft year?

    True story.

    Related to Barry Stafford too.

    I’m not making this stuff up.

  54. Woodguy says:

    Laying odds that Yak is Domino.

    Don’t want to discuss it
    I think it’s time for a change
    You may get disgusted
    And think Im strange
    In that case I’ll go underground
    Get some heavy rest
    Never have to worry
    About what is worst and what is best

  55. Woodguy says:

    oliveoilers: This is because we are hard wired to notice patterns and associations to patterns.

    Nice post.

    I’ll have to look that one up.

    Also,

    This is because we are hard wired to notice patterns and associations to patterns.

    Don’t forget this (not sure if its in this book, has been in many psychology books I have read):

    Humans tend to think they see patterns where there are none and create narratives to give structure to random events.

  56. admiralmark says:

    I agree with you that Yak would not be on their untradeable list. But I also don’t see how he gets traded before at earliest next seasons trade deadline. Reason being you can only get 50 cents on the dollar for him as it stands and whats 50% of what Yak brought this season? a 2nd round draft pick? Just gotta hang onto him longer and hope he improves.

  57. Lois Lowe says:

    oliveoilers: We still got the rights to O’Mark?

    Seamus O’Mark is the back up vocalist for Van Morrison.

  58. Lowetide says:

    The best move ever? DEAL for Stafford, THEN send him away!!!!

  59. oliveoilers says:

    Woodguy: Nice post.

    I’ll have to look that one up.

    Also,

    This is because we are hard wired to notice patterns and associations to patterns.

    Don’t forget this (not sure if its in this book, has been in many psychology books I have read):

    Humans tend to think they see patterns where there are none and create narratives to give structure to random events.

    Yes, basically the theory is our ancestors had to get real good at noticing patterns (food migration) or get real good at being dead. After the agricultural revolution came the first surpluses. Now we weren’t struggling, but transitioning towards thriving. We never lost the skill of noticing patterns, but because our time was not any longer spent wondering where our next meal was coming from, imagination ran riot. There had to be explanations for heavy localised flooding, plagues, droughts and so forth. And thus, probably the most influential narrative started to take root. That of religion. These days, we like to think of ourselves as less credulous. However, as before, the skill never goes away, just transfers itself into what we believe matters, such as the Oilers in our case or being douchebags in the case of Canuck fans.

    Just a note of caution on the use of data, such as analytics: When dissentry, typhoid, TB and cholera were running rampant in Victorian London, a commission was set up with the intent of finding the cause (which seems so simple to us now). In one of the first surveys set up to empirically prove what was causing rife disease, vast amounts of data was collected. Needless to say, the data they needed to prove that contaminated water sources lay in amongst the rest for years, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS PERTINENT AND WHAT WASN’T. Similar was the search for the cause and cure for scurvy, which was actually found decades before and discounted as implausible despite the evidence. My point is, analytics will grow in strength from year to year, hell, from game to game as the sample sizes grow. It’s how the data is interpreted and used that will begin to define careers and thus the new narratives.

  60. slopitch says:

    FWIW I just watched the new videos on the oilers website. Both Hall and Nuge mentioned how Eakins was a new coach and learned during the year and that they team is good going forward with him. I think you keep Eakins no matter what. Players need stability.

  61. PunjabiOil says:

    Sportsnet 360 (The score) will be showing the OKC Barons game today. A chance to see Nurse.

  62. One-Timer says:

    Rondo:
    oliveoilers,

    I compare Advanced Statsto a MRI.Good physicians order MRIs to confirm a diagnosis, not to find one.

    Good GM’s use advanced stats to confirm an opinion.

    Rondo,

    But Advanced Stats are relatively cheap. If every GP had an MRI at the back of the clinic, they’d be using them all the time – and not just to confirm opinions.

  63. Woodguy says:

    oliveoilers,

    Just a note of caution on the worship of numbers though.

    I don’t know anyone who worship’s numbers.

  64. oliveoilers says:

    Woodguy:
    oliveoilers,

    Just a note of caution on the worship of numbers though.

    I don’t know anyone who worship’s numbers.

    Sorry WG, wasn’t meant as a shot. Just a generalisation. Perhaps you’ll allow me to rephrase?

  65. Chris says:

    So I’m taking from this thread that there were other Van Morrison songs than Brown Eyed Girl?

    Although I remember at the beach where I grew up they played Brown Eyed Girl and Just What I needed by the Cars on a loop with a Bryan Adams song on Canada day. So I’ve heard that song 500 some odd times.

    I think the end of the season indicated that Hall-Nuge-Eberele is the rock upon which this team is built. Departing from that at various points in time was a mistake. Unfortunately some of the coaching changes seem to have had us relearn what we already knew.

    Maracin has perhaps made our need to acquire two top four defencemen a need to acquire only one, as the kid has been a god send.

    One would think that Perron is going to be the nucleus of the second line. I think Yakupov is likely to reprise his role on that line. Gagner seems like the guy who gets moved. Although I could see them keeping him as he couldn’t possibly be as bad as he showed this year.

    Gordon is just fine as a 3rd line center, Hendricks is okay on the 4th line. You’d think we could have Arcobello, Horak, Hendricks as a pretty good 4th line that could play. Then its just a matter of finding Gordon line mates who don’t have hands of stone.

  66. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy:
    oliveoilers,

    Just a note of caution on the worship of numbers though.

    I don’t know anyone who worship’s numbers.

    I did. Pythagoras, back in high school. Bit of a band geek as well. Never very popular, but in typical fashion he ended up inventing some fancy big brain thing and became famous.

  67. RexLibris says:

    oliveoilers: Yes, basically the theory is our ancestors had to get real good at noticing patterns (food migration) or get real good at being dead.After the agricultural revolution came the first surpluses.Now we weren’t struggling, but transitioning towards thriving.We never lost the skill of noticing patterns, but because our time was not any longer spent wondering where our next meal was coming from, imagination ran riot.There had to be explanations for heavy localised flooding, plagues, droughts and so forth.And thus, probably the most influential narrative started to take root.That of religion.These days, we like to think of ourselves as less credulous.However, as before, the skill never goes away, just transfers itself into what we believe matters, such as the Oilers in our case or being douchebags in the case of Canuck fans.

    Just a note of caution on the use of data, such as analytics:When dissentry, typhoid, TB and cholera were running rampant in Victorian London, a commission was set up with the intent of finding the cause (which seems so simple to us now).In one of the first surveys set up to empirically prove what was causing rife disease, vast amounts of data was collected.Needless to say, the data they needed to prove that contaminated water sources lay in amongst the rest for years, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS PERTINENT AND WHAT WASN’T.Similar was the search for the cause and cure for scurvy, which was actually found decades before and discounted as implausible despite the evidence.My point is, analytics will grow in strength from year to year, hell, from game to game as the sample sizes grow.It’s how the data is interpreted and used that will begin to define careers and thus the new narratives.

    Ever read Ghost Map by Steven Johnson? Great read.

    Interesting in that he cites one of the two men who narrowed down the Cholera outbreak to contaminated water (the proverbial pump handle) as being a consilient thinker. Something that I believe advanced sports analytics, at least in so far as they relate to hockey, is in need of.

    Call it the search for a Unified Theory of Analytics.

  68. slopitch says:

    Buffalo and Columbus are the 2 best matches for trades. St Louis could also be if they flake out in the playoffs and wants to add offense. The list of players that MacT can go after is massive. Erhoff and Foglino would be good adds for sure.

    We all mention is Columbus due to their depth at C. I watched a couple of their games in the last bit and Boone Jenner would be amazing to add. A 6″2 mean 2 way C would be great. It kills me that he was drafted after Musil. I see him as a future Kesler. Another example of our missed opportunities in the 2nd round. Columbus has a team cap and one of their other centers Dubinsky or Anisomov would be more likely to be had due to price. Ryan Johanson isn’t going anywhere. We could dangle Gagner but Columbus isn’t really starving for offense. Another guy who may be interesting is Nathan Horton. He is 6″2 and 230 lbs with a fairly decent offense. Because he was hurt all year, he may be available. Only problem is that the report is he signed in CBJ because he wanted to play in anonymity. Not exactly a good fit for Edmonton. Cam Atkinson is another interesting player. He is small but can play. His underlying numbers are good but he’s been an occasional healthy scratch.

    I consider Yak almost untradeable. For him to move, it would have to be a 3 for 1 trade that fills some of Edmonton’s needs – a solid 2 way C with offense or a top pairing D would need to be the centerpiece.

    Jenner+Horton?

    Myers+Foligino? I could see a scenario where Buffalo moves Myers, drafts Ekblad and keep him in junior for a year while tanking one more season for McDavid. If that were to pan out they’d be set on D and have Grigerson and McDavid as your top 2C.

    Would anyone move the 3rd overall for Myers? Would Buffalo? I dunno, I havent seen Myers play a game in probably 3 years.

    As for the Oilers, I don’t really know about these trades. Just spit balling. I think Id still keep Yak and go hard after Stasny or an upgrade on Gagner and do something like.

    4-93-14
    57-X-64
    20-27-23
    12-26-13
    51

    or

    4-93-14
    57-X-64
    12-89-13
    20-27-23
    26

    I actually like option 2 better. The Oilers really need size up the middle to compete in the Pacific. I do think MacT is gonna change his stance verbally and say how he is gonna grow the team organically. However, behind the scenes I bet he’ll push for bold as strong as ever.

    Anyways we have all summer to brainstorm ideas but since I’m doing nothing but watching Smytty highlights hockey has the spotlight today.

  69. cabbiesmacker says:

    Still gung ho on the Blues LT? The injury situation there doesn’t bode well. Not for the KIngs I predicted to come out of the West either. Doughty is an awful big part of that team.

    It would be rather cool I think to see a Bruins – Sharks final… Jumbo sticking it to his old team and prompting Iginla to yell NEXT….

    Anaheim’s D corps, drool, might surprise as well.

  70. Woodguy says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 6m
    Coach Eakins says the #Oilers lineup needs D players who get the puck out of the zone efficiently, as well as some secondary scoring.

    That is exactly it.

    If the actions of MacT and Eakins start to match their verbal more this team will make the playoffs.

  71. Woodguy says:

    oliveoilers: Sorry WG, wasn’t meant as a shot.Just a generalisation.Perhaps you’ll allow me to rephrase?

    No worries.

    Following anything without critical thought is dangerous, whether it be numbers or mystics or both.

  72. One-Timer says:

    RexLibris,

    Pythagoras was an interesting cat. Vegetarian but hated beans and wouldn’t allow his groupies to eat them. Was so against beans, legend has it, that he died when he refused to run across a field of them, and was thereby run down by his pursuers.

  73. slopitch says:

    Woodguy,

    I agree 100% as well. Marincin looked good until yesterday on that front. He had quite a few give aways up the middle. Petry, as much as I like him was tossing muffins through center ice all night. Klefbom was a beauty – solid and efficient with the puck. Jultz was good too.

  74. One-Timer says:

    Sorry this isn’t Taylor Hall specific, but has to be mentioned.
    Had a look at the WC standings today, and by nation of the teams it looks like this:
    USA
    USA
    USA
    USA
    USA
    USA
    USA
    USA
    USA
    USA
    CAN
    CAN
    CAN
    CAN

    Freaking sad! I compute the random odds of this happening at 1000 to 1. Or it might be 1 in 11,011… can someone check my math?

    Either way, there are some serious pro hockey problems north of the 49th.

  75. oliveoilers says:

    RexLibris: Ever read Ghost Map by Steven Johnson? Great read.

    Interesting in that he cites one of the two men who narrowed down the Cholera outbreak to contaminated water (the proverbial pump handle) as being a consilient thinker. Something that I believe advanced sports analytics, at least in so far as they relate to hockey, is in need of.

    Call it the search for a Unified Theory of Analytics.

    Awesome, I was looking for my next book! Bill Bryson touches on it in layman’s terms in ‘At Home’. And your right, there needs to be a more consilient or convergent attitude toward analytics. At the moment, we’re looking at ‘Y’. We don’t know what ‘Y’ is yet, but we know that it performs a function n times with a certain degree of probability. But is that because of factors we’re not even looking at yet? I guess Tyler Dellow is giving it a good go, especially with his analysis of Hall earlier this season.

    NB: Love the phrase “Unified Theory of Analytics”!

  76. Woodguy says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 2m
    #Oilers players confirmed for the upcoming World Championship are Perron (Canada), Belov (Russia), Marincin (Slovakia) and Petry (USA).

    Nice to see Petry get the call.

    I wonder how much MacT’s verbal about Shultz actually reflect core beliefs?

    Shultz probably isn’t (nor should he be) on Hockey Canada’s radar.

  77. slopitch says:

    Hall has injuries. Any reason why Nuge or Ebs arent going?

  78. Woodguy says:

    slopitch:
    Woodguy,

    I agree 100% as well.Marincin looked good until yesterday on that front.He had quite a few give aways up the middle.Petry, as much as I like him was tossing muffins through center ice all night.Klefbom was a beauty – solid and efficient with the puck.Jultz was good too.

    I like a bottom 4 of

    Marincin-Petry
    Klef-Jultz

    Its the top two that needs to be addressed.

  79. Andy P says:

    Bohologo:
    I think Hall is fantastic (even if he is no Chris Kunitz).

    At what point can we reasonably expect him to drag this roster into the playoffs by himself?

    Or is that kind of player a myth?

    (I find the narrative compelling, but I have not seen the data on Players Whose Awesomeness Render Those Around Them More Awesome Than They Would Otherwise Reasonably Expect.Or, more succinctly, the Messiah Effect.)

    Think Chris Pronger. Made every team he played on, significantly better.

  80. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    The best move ever? DEAL for Stafford, THEN send him away!!!!

    So Matty can mourn the loss of Stafford every second column instead of pining for him to be here every third.

    Good idea.

  81. oliveoilers says:

    Woodguy:
    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers6m
    Coach Eakins says the #Oilers lineup needs D players who get the puck out of the zone efficiently, as well as some secondary scoring.

    That is exactly it.

    If the actions of MacT and Eakins start to match their verbal more this team will make the playoffs.

    Also a d-man or two that can keep the puck in the o-zone would be nice. The hot potato-hand grenade on the blue line coupled with losing their shit has to stop. Some sustained periods of time down the other end of the ice would good. They looked good last night….

  82. Andy P says:

    sumaclab:
    The 10 or so games he languished at center. RNH coming back not 100%.Gagnerlosing half his face.Arcobello in his first regular season stint. New Coach.New System. Goaltending that killed us early and often. How many times were we shutout this season? 10?

    80 points! By the great GazooI am head over heels jumping for freaking joy when you factor all that into the season.

    I am fraking ecstatic with how Hall adapted and persevered through all of the turmoil and still he came out of the wringer a better player at the end of the year than when he began the year.

    A top 10 player on a 28th place team. The Sundins got what 40 points each? He is worth 2 Sundins.

    Flyfish1168 alludes to his defensive issues. MacT always believed you could teach defence but you could not teach skill.Hall,RNH,Eberle are still kids. Give them time to learn.

    Gagner. Not only does he get a mulligan because he lost half the season to Kassians stupidity
    but he gets a mulligan from me based on the fact that Eakins is the first coach to actually ask him to play defence instead of trying to carry the team offensively.If Stastny is signed.Gagner is a perfect 3rd line center option for this team. But Stastny is not going to be signed because the money willto steep. And your not starting Arcobello at 2cd line center next year.

    There will be changes.The beatings will continue until moral improves.MacT is moving thisboulder up the mountain but it will take time.

    Maybe they will draft Draisatl and package Gags with others for a veteran, high end D. I don’t think Gags has the defensive chops for 3rd line work.

  83. Kert says:

    Woodguy: I like a bottom 4 of

    Marincin-Petry
    Klef-Jultz

    Its the top two that needs to be addressed.

    Ekblad and Nurse of course¡ #becauseoilers

  84. Jon K says:

    I’ve been a big critic of Hall’s on and off ice maturity since his first training camp, but I think we saw positive signs of significant change this season in that regard.

    I think if we compare Hall’s first half and second half performance, as well as the verbal in the media and the “body language” on the ice, there are some compelling arguments to be made that he matured and grew as a player significantly over the course of the season.

    With his dedication to improvement and his willingness to consider new methods of measuring and improving performance (his interview with Gregor was very impressive), he might very well force himself into the discussion of being a top 5 player in the NHL, next season, full stop.

  85. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Fyten (Hunt) to tie it at 1.

    but the Heat scored twice more. now 3-1 Heat.

    Still can’t find a stream. radio only. any help?

  86. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Horak! (pinizzotto, lander)

    3-2 Heat.

  87. icecastles says:

    Rondo: I compare Advanced Stats to a MRI. Good physicians order MRIs to confirm a diagnosis, not to find one.
    Good GM’s use advanced stats to confirm an opinion.

    In the name of all that is holy, I hope that you’re not a doctor.

    Or in any position to make any decisions affecting anything, for that matter.

  88. godot10 says:

    Forget about Stastny. The centre is sitting there on the draft board for when the Oilers are in the contending window.

    1) MacT has to focus on getting one really good RD, And once he has done that maybe a second D.
    2) Kulemin or someone like that as a UFA
    3) Get a better two way centre in a trade for Gagner.

    Ference — new RD
    Marincin — Petry
    Klefbom — Schultz

    Oesterle and Simpson should keep Marincin and Klefbom focused getting their feet wet in OKC. With a Nurse wildcard.

    Available dollars should be focused on a quality RD. Not on Stastny.

  89. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Barons tie it

    Fyten (Klefbom, Miller)

  90. rich says:

    Klefbom with the assist to tie it at 3. Fyten with the goal.

    Klefbom looks like a man among boys, the one guy who can consistently make a pass.

    Nurse likes to jump the rush and play aggressive.

  91. Lowetide says:

    I’m liking both Khaira and Nurse this afternoon, and Klefbom looks very good to me.

  92. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    I’m liking both Khaira and Nurse this afternoon, and Klefbom looks very good to me.

    what did that Acton fight look like.

    Byers is ripping it on the radio. Sounds like it nullified a Miller break away… led to goal against in the end.

  93. rich says:

    There was a pretty questionable slash on Fyten that gave Abbotsford a PP and the go ahead goal.

  94. rich says:

    And Curtis Hamilton ties it! Nice shot.

  95. oliveoilers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: what did that Acton fight look like.

    Byers is ripping it on the radio. Sounds like it nullified a Miller break away… led to goal against in the end.

    Yeah, was a possible two on one, with an Abottsford back checker not far behind.

  96. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: what did that Acton fight look like.

    Byers is ripping it on the radio. Sounds like it nullified a Miller break away… led to goal against in the end.

    I didn’t see it. Going back and forth, will watch this later in full.

  97. rich says:

    Lander w/the winner in the shootout. Very nice.

    What do we have to do for him to be able to do that in the Show?

    Up by 2 points on Charlotte & Rockford and a game in hand.

  98. "Steve Smith" says:

    icecastles,

    Good doctors have never heard of confirmation bias.

  99. TheBusDriver86 says:

    Good job Barons

  100. DBO says:

    I expect a summer of slightly disappointed moves that improve us, but no flash or “BOLD”.

    Forwards that fit that mold.
    - Grabovski – better two way centre then Gagner. Will cost around the same I would assume. Heck, sign Kulemin and put them with Yak and have an all Russian sounding name line (cause Grabovski strangely was born in Germany). 3 years $4 mill for him.
    - 3 years $3.0 mill for Kulemin.
    - 3 years $2.5 mill for LT’s boy Winnick.

    Defense that fits that mold
    - Anton Stralman – someone I would love to have, who improves our team, is a killer on corsi, but plays softer comp. and would be great with Ference as a 3rd pairing. Sadly, they may be our “vet” top end pairing. Eakins mentioned today needing players who can make a pass out of our zone, and he fits the bill. 3 years $3 mill per gets him.

    Hall-Nuge-Eberle
    Kulemin-Grabovski-Yakupov
    Perron-Gordon-Winnick
    Hendricks-Lander-Arco
    Gazdic-Horak

    Ference-Stralman (not a top pairing, but an improvement)
    Marincin-Petry
    Klefbom-Schultz
    Simpson

    And now you have the chip that is Gagner, and the potential for 3 actual lines at forward. Playoff squeak in may be our best hope for a jump forward. Using Gagner for a better dman, allowing Ference or Stralman to be 3rd pairing, and pushing Klefbom or Simpson to the minors should be MacT’s trade goal.

  101. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    huge win by the Barons.

    Rockford lost too.

    Three games left. all at home. One against powerhouse Texas (spits) and two against the pitiful Iowa Wild.

    very good shot at the playoffs now.

  102. One-Timer says:

    John Tortorella:
    “The California trips really hurt us.”

    Only in hockey. And maybe East Coast rapping.

  103. Rondo says:

    Rondo,

    Meant to say MRI on a knee .

  104. russ99 says:

    After this season, nobody should have any questions about Hall’s quality, fight and desire.

    It’s really nice to have a top player like this after a long, long time without one. All that losing was good for something…

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