RE 13-14 ANTON BELOV: IT’S ALL OVER NOW, BABY BLUE

Anton Belov arrived from the hinterland, stayed for a time, and then returned home to continue his career. I expect he’ll look back on the season fondly, despite the losing and the coach who wouldn’t play him. For Oiler fans? I think we’ll look back on this as opportunity missed.

Anton Belov 13-14

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.37 (5th among D)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 0.86 (6th among D)
  • Qual Comp: easiest among D
  • Qual Team: 3rd pairing, poorest available among D
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 46.3
  • Corsi for 5×5 % REL: +2.6
  • Zone Start: 48.0% (2nd easiest among D)
  • Zone Finish: 45.4% (5th best among D)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 54 shots/1.9% (4th among D>50 shots)
  • Boxcars: 57, 1-6-7
  • Plus Minus: -12 on a team that was -51
  1. What do these numbers tell us? The Oilers gave him a push—easiest competition and a zone start push—and he delivered an above average Corsi Rel. I don’t know that it was good enough, but remember this was his first NHL season.
  2. You liked him? Yes. Belov had mobility issues—make no mistake that’s why he’s no longer here—but I think there’s a player there.
  3. Why didn’t Dallas Eakins like him? Anton defensively was the girl with the curl. When he was bad, he was very very bad. I remember a play against the Coyotes during the darkest days—like anyone could tell one day  from the other—and it was ghastly. Belov had a chance to get off, but hesitated and then ended up being out there for maybe 2 minutes. Right at the end of the shift, before the puck went in (which should be the official title of the season’s story), Belov needed a gear he clearly didn’t have after a long shift. I was pretty much done with him (as a fan) at that point.
  4. Belov sure ripped Eakins when he left. Well, there’s some question as to what was said. Jim Matheson posted an article the other day that frames the issue in a very different manner. Derek Van Diest discussed the original story here.
  5. Which story do you believe? They aren’t terribly different. I suspect Belov felt he could be more effective than some of the men the club ran out there, and that contributed to frustration and exit.
  6. Which defensemen was he clearly better than? Phil Larsen, Mark Fraser, the callups, Denis Grebeshkov.
  7. Would he have been a lock for the NHL roster next season? No. I would put Marincin-Petry, Klefbom-Schultz and Ference ahead of him, and they may audition Darnell Nurse as well. Plus they’re going to add Matt Greene.
  8. I hate you. I’ve learned to live with it.
  9. Who did he play with? 215 minutes at 5×5 with Justin Schultz—and they posted a 49% Corsi 5×5 for %, 133 with Phil Larsen (35%) and 131 minutes with Jeff Petry (58.3).
  10. WHAT? What?
  11. Anton Belov had a 58.3 Corsi for % at 5×5 with Jeff Petry and you don’t LEAD with it? Well, it’s a small sample size.
  12. Still, impressive. No? Yes, sure. But it’s 131 minutes, that’s like 6 or 7 games worth of 5×5 time. It would have been cool to see more, but he really did have some substantial mobility issues.
  13. I still think it was a mistake to let him go. I can understand your point, and losing teams often set free completely useful players. Belov was hired before Eakins, and the new coach didn’t like a lot about his defense.
  14. How do you know? Eakins opening night 6: Smid-Petry, Ference-J Schultz, N Schultz-Belov. There are three left, and the exits are the guys who have a tough time with mobility and or moving the puck.
  15. And then they hire Mark Fraser. Well, we’ve talked about that before, there’s an internal struggle going on in the Edmonton war room. The Gagner injury begat MacIntyre and Gazdic and Fraser, and yet you know the Oilers can see the value of skill on the blue line.
  16. So why not keep Belov? He’s just too slow. Belov has most of the skill set, and his size really helped, but if you watch Marincin or Klefbom skating back to their zone to retrieve the puck, that’s the future.
  17. Is he the defenseman they should have kept? No, the answer to that question is Tom Gilbert.
  18. Would Belov be in the NHL if he’d signed with a better team? I don’t think better is the right term, but yes.
  19. Would Belov be in the NHL if he’d signed with a more organized team? Yes. The time of Belov’s signing was right at the end of the Tambellini cleanse, and the GM couldn’t call the coach and say ‘I’m here at the Worlds and this defenseman is really good’ because he hadn’t hired him yet.
  20. I feel a little like this is a guy who got away. I find it interesting that you are surprised by the feeling. Where have you been? Where were you when they traded Penner, or sent Souray to chocolate city, or dealt Brodziak for draft picks when they didn’t have enough centers? Anton Belov leaving is small in comparison to the day they decided Sheldon Souray needed to be punished for reacting to being ignored.
  21. Are the Oilers badly run? Now? I don’t think so, no. But it takes time to dig out from the rubble, you know? Last season, MacT signed Gordon and Ference, dealt for Perron and then cast about looking for more solutions. He hired Belov and Grebeshkov, signed LaBarbera and lots of those moves didn’t work out. As opposed to burying him for failing, I’m inclined to praise him for trying.
  22. And Belov? Bad timing. I think he could have helped more in a year when a rookie coach was not in crisis mode and not sleeping.
  23. Why this song? I wanted to include something from Them, Bob Dylan is a brilliant writer and that bass line is a very nice description for the size and brawn Belov delivered on his good nights.
  24. Firm, effective, deadly. If only God had given him wings.

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48 Responses to "RE 13-14 ANTON BELOV: IT’S ALL OVER NOW, BABY BLUE"

  1. godot10 says:

    //So why not keep Belov? He’s just too slow. Belov has most of the skill set, and his size really helped, but if you watch Marincin or Klefbom skating back to their zone to retrieve the puck, that’s the future.//

    Remember the Tippett quote comparing two defensemen, the one who could supposedly defend and the one who couldn’t.

    This is where a smart GM and coach goes to the advanced stats. If the Corsi Rel is good, then does the how fast he skates back to his own zone doesn’t matter because the puck is usually in the other end.

    The sample size with Belov is probably too small. And Eakins tends to shoot first and figure out he shot the wrong guy later. i.e. 1) Destroying Hall’s Corsi and 2) Destroying team Corsi trying to improve the faceoff percentage (hopefully the OIlers haven’t stopped reading Dellow over the spring.) He may singlehandedly fix…er…RESET….Eakins.

  2. Lowetide says:

    GODOT10: Great points. I’d say we have to look at the CorsiReL in relation to ZS and QualComp, but that doesn’t make your point less intriguing.

  3. book¡je says:

    The problem with the Oilers is that they worry far too much about sideburns and not enough about the actual impact of players on the ice.

  4. jb says:

    His parting words weren’t a personal shot at Eakins. The guy wasn’t interested in putting the required effort it takes to be an NHL player. Something Eakins demands from his players.

    Remember Belov isn’t signing with another NHL team here… He’s going back to Russia to coast and collect a pay-check.

  5. Rondo says:

    OT:

    Brent Wallace
    ‏@tsn_wally
    Kootney Ice forward Sam Reinhart has joined TC and will be here for the training camp only. He will play in the exhibition game on Tuesday.

  6. Woodguy says:

    jb:
    His parting words weren’ta personal shot at Eakins.The guy wasn’t interested in putting the required effort it takes to be an NHL player. Something Eakins demands from his players.

    Remember Belov isn’t signing with another NHL team here… He’s going back to Russia to coast and collect a pay-check.

    This is pretty xenophobic.

    He’s going back to Russia to coast and collect a pay-check.

    The man plays for his national team at the Olympic level and WC level.

    He’s considered one of the best KHL Dmen.

    He’s a professional athlete who eschewed more money to try his hand in the best league in the world and you basically call him a lazy Russian.

    wasn’t interested in putting the required effort it takes to be an NHL player

    You don’ t know this.

    Awful, terrible, xenophobic post.

    Utter crap.

    I spit on this post and then set fire to it.

    *Patooey*

    *lights match*

  7. jb says:

    Woodguy: This is pretty xenophobic.

    He’s going back to Russia to coast and collect a pay-check.

    The man plays for his national team at the Olympic level and WC level.

    He’s considered one of the best KHL Dmen.

    He’s a professional athlete who eschewed more money to try his hand in the best league in the world and you basically call him a lazy Russian.

    wasn’t interested in putting the required effort it takes to be an NHL player

    You don’ t know this.

    Awful, terrible, xenophobic post.

    Utter crap.

    I spit on this post and then set fire to it.

    *Patooey*

    *lights match*

    If you say so. I’ll join the ignorant masses then.. FIRE EAKINS, EAKINS IS THE WORST. Belovs comments prove this.. blah blah blah

  8. Woodguy says:

    I don’t think Belov’s straight ahead speed was the issue (That PHX play where he was bagged notwithstanding)

    I think his footwork was too slow for the tight gaps and speed of the NHL game.

    I saw him get beat out of the corner to the net often enough to log it mentally as a problem.

    The opposing player would come at Belov and shift around him too easily and get himselft in scoring position.

    His footwork wasn’t as bad as Fraser, but it wasn’t good.

    At the very least it wasn’t NHL level, but given his track record he may have been able to learn it.

    I wonder if Steve Smith ever addressed that with him?

  9. Woodguy says:

    jb: If you say so. I’ll join the ignorant masses then.. FIRE EAKINS, EAKINS IS THE WORST. Belovs comments prove this.. blah blah blah

    I didn’t say that.

    I’m not on the FIRE EAKINS bandwagon.

    I was responding only the xenophobia in your post.

    “Lazy Russian” narrative on a player who represents his country at the Olympics, WC and who gave up a bigger paycheck, separated himself from his family to give the NHL a go is just horrible.

  10. Lowetide says:

    “Steve Smith” never said a word to Belov. Lawyers.

  11. Woodguy says:

    Who did he play with? 215 minutes at 5×5 with Justin Schultz—and they posted a 49% Corsi 5×5 for %, 133 with Phil Larsen (35%) and 131 minutes with Jeff Petry (58.3).

    So with this (small sample) evidence, do we say that Belov was better than Ference?

    I think it might be true.

    In the Ference thread I showed that every Dman was worse with Ference than away except for Larsen.

    This may be due in part to the fact that when they played with Ference it was against tougher comp, but Jultz and Petry’s comp doesn’t change much regardless of who their LHD partner is.

    Ference and Belov with Petry and Jultz:

    Ference & Jultz 464min 42.1%
    Belov & Jultz 215min 49%

    Ference & Petry 321min 45.1%
    Belove & Petry 131min 58.3%

    That’s a serious indictment of Ference and his contract I think.

  12. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    “Steve Smith” never said a word to Belov. Lawyers.

    I was sure he’d have some snark at some point at the ready.

  13. Woodguy says:

    Belov’s net WOWY with everyone he played at least 100min with:

    PERRON, DAVID +2.3
    EBERLE, JORDAN +4
    NUGENT-HOPKINS, RYAN +2.3
    SCHULTZ, JUSTIN +7.4
    HALL, TAYLOR +2.8
    GAGNER, SAM -2.1
    YAKUPOV, NAIL -3.6
    HEMSKY, ALES +6.4
    ARCOBELLO, MARK +7.6
    GORDON, BOYD +2.3
    SMYTH, RYAN +10.7
    LARSEN, PHILIP -11
    PETRY, JEFF +12.9
    SCHULTZ, NICK +2

    11 of 14 players were better with Belov than without.

    godot10,

    This is where a smart GM and coach goes to the advanced stats. If the Corsi Rel is good, then does the how fast he skates back to his own zone doesn’t matter because the puck is usually in the other end.

    I don’t know if its to that extent with Belov, but I agree 100% that Eakins saw him bad and then was sparsely used for the rest of the year with much worse options getting ice time ahead of him.

    Nick Shultz’s presence really fucked things up on the LHS for a long time because he never got the HS despite being the worst option (by eye and by corsi) all year.

    Tambellini, the gift that keeps on giving.

  14. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    Who did he play with? 215 minutes at 5×5 with Justin Schultz—and they posted a 49% Corsi 5×5 for %, 133 with Phil Larsen (35%) and 131 minutes with Jeff Petry (58.3).

    So with this (small sample) evidence, do we say that Belov was better than Ference?

    I think it might be true.

    In the Ference thread I showed that every Dman was worse with Ference than away except for Larsen.

    This may be due in part to the fact that when they played with Ference it was against tougher comp, but Jultz and Petry’s comp doesn’t change much regardless of who their LHD partner is.

    Ference and Belov with Petry and Jultz:

    Ference & Jultz 464min 42.1%
    Belov & Jultz 215min 49%

    Ference & Petry 321min 45.1%
    Belove & Petry 131min 58.3%

    That’s a serious indictment of Ference and his contract I think.

    Zone starts and qual comp need to be factored in, no?

  15. VanOil says:

    I liked that thing Belov did where he kept the puck in the OZ at the point when the other team tried to clear it.

  16. Henry says:

    Woodguy:

    Ference and Belov with Petry and Jultz:

    Ference & Jultz 464min 42.1%
    Belov & Jultz 215min 49%

    Ference & Petry 321min 45.1%
    Belove & Petry 131min 58.3%

    That’s a serious indictment of Ference and his contract I think.

    Yeah, there may be a difference in comp but the CF spread is so large that this doesn’t look good. Ultimately I just hope they can bring in a very good LD and not have injuries that expose the lack of depth without Belov.

    Regarding Belov’s decision to leave, part of it may have been his family situation with a newborn baby in a strange city and country. I think he was very committed to trying things in North America on an experimental basis. He said he was willing to go to the AHL if necessary to adjust to the small ice game.

  17. Henry says:

    That is a good Them song. They did a great version of ‘Baby Please Don’t Go’ that would have suited this guy for me as well.

    Actually I’d save it for Hemmer.

  18. Hammers says:

    Woodguy: Belov’s net WOWY with everyone he played at least 100min with:PERRON, DAVID +2.3EBERLE, JORDAN +4NUGENT-HOPKINS, RYAN +2.3SCHULTZ, JUSTIN +7.4HALL, TAYLOR +2.8GAGNER, SAM -2.1YAKUPOV, NAIL -3.6HEMSKY, ALES +6.4ARCOBELLO, MARK +7.6GORDON, BOYD +2.3SMYTH, RYAN +10.7LARSEN, PHILIP -11PETRY, JEFF +12.9SCHULTZ, NICK +211 of 14 players were better with Belov than without.godot10, This is where a smart GM and coach goes to the advanced stats. If the Corsi Rel is good, then does the how fast he skates back to his own zone doesn’t matter because the puck is usually in the other end.I don’t know if its to that extent with Belov, but I agree 100% that Eakins saw him bad and then was sparsely used for the rest of the year with much worse options getting ice time ahead of him.Nick Shultz’s presence really fucked things up on the LHS for a long time because he never got the HS despite being the worst option (by eye and by corsi) all year.Tambellini, the gift that keeps on giving.

    Why do some of us see this as a positive and others only see 1 thing speed . Belov arrived late at training camp (Oiler screw up ) . Eakins didn’t decide quick enough on his 7 “D” . Belov would be in the league today if his decision was Pittsburg & not Oilers . Once Eakins makes up his mind he sticks with it right or wrong . Not just Belov ,but Acton , Yak , Fraser , N.Schultz .You decide the right or the wrong .

  19. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide,

    Zone starts and qual comp need to be factored in, no?

    As far as QC goes I mentioned in the post:

    This may be due in part to the fact that when they played with Ference it was against tougher comp, but Jultz and Petry’s comp doesn’t change much regardless of who their LHD partner is.

    Petry and Shultz’s assignments (QC) and ZS wouldn’t change much based on their partners.

    They were the two best RHD and were deployed as such for the year, except the game where Petry was scratched.

    I posit that Belov’s easier ZS came with Larsen, Nultz, Fraser, and Potter which totalled about 386 minutes of Belov’s 802 5v5 TOI

  20. Woodguy says:

    Hammers: Why do some of us see this as a positive and others only see 1 thing speed . Belov arrived late at training camp (Oiler screw up ) . Eakins didn’t decide quick enough on his 7 “D” . Belov would be in the league today if his decision was Pittsburg & not Oilers . Once Eakins makes up his mind he sticks with it right or wrong . Not just Belov ,but Acton , Yak , Fraser , N.Schultz .You decide the right or the wrong .

    To be fair it was the Canadian Immigration workers engaged in work slow down that delayed Belov. It affected other players on other teams as well.

    Belov was in the opening night line up, so he was “given a chance”

    Where we can indict Eakins is where Belov has HS for worse players (Nultz, Fraser)

    We also need to remember that Belov was injured twice, so the amount of HS is debatable.

  21. Woodguy says:

    VanOil:
    I liked that thing Belov did where he kept the puck in the OZ at the point when the other team tried to clear it.

    No shit.

    Larsen and Jultz were ridiculously frustrating in that respect.

    Lollygaggers.

  22. Ducey says:

    You people have lost your minds.

    Belov (and Grebs for that matter) was a no cost signing that did not work out. It was worth trying him out.

    It didn’t work out because he is too slow. Everyone could see it. You can get away with being a post in the KHL because of the small offensive zone. Not so much in the NHL.

    I expect he was on the block at the trade deadline. Why didn’t anyone else want him? What couldn’t he agent get him an NHL contract for next year?

    Because they didn’t re-sign him for another year that’s an indictment of the MacT, Ference’s contract, the coaches, and democracy ? (I added that last one in there, but I expect that will come under fire next).

    Would you suggest the Oilers should give him a 4 year contract? Its likely what he would be asking for with one in hand from the KHL.

    Baseball teams run these type of guys thru their bull pen every year. They cost nothing to acquire. Sometimes they stick. Most of the time they are sent down the road.

  23. gr8one says:

    To be fair, isn’t there fairly ample evidence that shows the Oilers offered him a contract, thusly didn’t “LET him go”, as opposed to him choosing not to stay?

    To me that shows the Oilers valued him more than he valued the Oilers, and that’s a fairly important distinction.

    I think that’s something that gets lost a lot by fans. We like to raise our fists and ask why management didn’t do this or that, but in many cases management may have tried but it was beyond their control as to what the players choose.

    Having said that, choosing not to be Oilers could be just as a big or bigger indictment to the management/coaching than management not being able to identify team needs, just in a different way.

  24. Woodguy says:

    Ducey,

    I expect he was on the block at the trade deadline. Why didn’t anyone else want him? What couldn’t he agent get him an NHL contract for next year?

    He was on IR at the deadline and you cannot trade an injured player.

    It sounds like he wanted to go home and had a contract signed before the NHL playoffs even got going.

    Quit making things up.

  25. Rebilled says:

    ‘Brodziak for draft picks when they didn’t have enough centres.’

    He’s only got 3 goals and 3 assists in the playoffs. We need picks, not centres that are ‘playoff guys’.

    because….

  26. HiddenDarts says:

    Liked the “idea” of the player, but it just didn’t turn out. But to swap Belov out for Fraser is an obvious symbol of that fact that the coaches still aren’t getting it.

    In the end, I can agree that this was an experiment that didn’t work out. If this guy was that great, where were the other NHL contract offers?

  27. Ducey says:

    Woodguy:
    Ducey,

    I expect he was on the block at the trade deadline. Why didn’t anyone else want him? What couldn’t he agent get him an NHL contract for next year?

    He was on IR at the deadline and you cannot trade an injured player.

    It sounds like he wanted to go home and had a contract signed before the NHL playoffs even got going.

    Quit making things up.

    That’s for the reminder that he was on the DL.

    As for the accusation…

  28. oliveoilers says:

    TSN reporting Perron injured and out of WHC with a sudden hip injury. Anybody shed any light on this? Bit young for a new hip….

  29. prairieschooner says:

    I have no problem with a swing for the fences gamble on Belov.At least other teams appeared to want him.
    Grebs had been playing poorly in a lower KHL division for 2 years combined with the fact that Huddy had been flushed.It was unlikely that Grebs would contribute. MacT shopped too much in the discontinued NHL D men bin when he could have shopped in the NHL D Men bargain bin.

  30. gcw_rocks says:

    Woodguy,
    That’s a serious indictment of Ference and his contract I think.

    And the man who signed him too it.

    No sane person thought that contract was a good idea. It represented old school thinking in a new age world.

  31. hunter1909 says:

    Can’t fit in on the Oilers? Get the fuck out of town, and remember it’s got absolutely nothing to do with Kevin Lowe.

    Fistric wasn’t good enough for the Oilers, so he’s been banished to Anaheim and the new hottest rivalry in hockey; The battle of LA.

    If the NHL had half a brain they’d be beating the drum on this series like crazy.

  32. Marcus Oilerius says:

    gcw_rocks,

    Hey, if Tambellini is allowed to sign a geriatric Khabibulin to a four-year-long contract because he won a Cup, why can’t MacTavish sign a geriatric Ference to a four-year-long contract (with a no-movement clause) because he won a Cup?

    Are we going to discriminate against MacTavish and ignore past precedent? That’s unfair.

  33. Woodguy says:

    Ducey: That’s for the reminder that he was on the DL.

    As for the accusation…

    I probably should have said “stop assuming” rather than “making stuff up”

    Belov made his decision to go back to RUS way before any other teams in the NHL could talk to him.

    I’m sure he could have got another contract here if he wanted to.

    He decided to go home to a better paycheck, family and a long term contract.

    Can’t say i’d do any different.

  34. bendelson says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    gcw_rocks,

    Hey, if Tambellini is allowed to sign a geriatric Khabibulin to a four-year-long contract because he won a Cup, why can’t MacTavish sign a geriatric Ference to a four-year-long contract (with a no-movement clause) because he won a Cup?

    Are we going to discriminate against MacTavish and ignore past precedent?That’s unfair.

    You are correct – fair is fair.
    So, in the spirit of fairness to all, let let me be the first to criticize Tambellini for that ridiculous Khabibulin contract. Tambo has gotten away without criticism for far too long around here.

    (you were joking right?)

  35. Jasmine says:

    Why was Tambellini given a free ride for 5 years. He was hardly ever criticized. MacT was criticized the minute he was hired.

    Why wasn’t Tambellini criticized for

    - Trading Brodziak for draft picks
    - Trading Penner for picks and worse players
    - Trading Visnovsky for Ryan Whitney
    - Trading Gilbert for Nick Schultz
    - Firing 4 coaches in 5 years
    - Mistreating Souray (Souray’s problem was with Tambellini and he should have said so)

  36. Marcus Oilerius says:

    (you were joking right?)

    Absolutely.

    MacT deserves to be raked over the coals for some of his moves in the last year. For the good he did (basically, the goalies), he made some really dumb plays and I think it would be nice if the media turned up the heat in the kitchen.

    Time flies, the kids are aging, the core will be in its prime in two years or so.

    This is no time for stupid, team-crippling contracts like Ference and almost-Clarkson. Hall will be 26 and Ference 38 by the time Ference is in his last season, and that’s a lot of money dedicated to someone who will be dead weight at a time when we’ll be in our window.

  37. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Jasmine:
    Why was Tambellini given a free ride for 5 years. He was hardly ever criticized. MacT was criticized the minute he was hired.

    For much of Tambellini’s reign, the plan was to be bad. The mistakes he made were painful but affordable because we had time to recover from them – though he wasn’t immune from criticism. You don’t get the nickname Dithers for being a good, pro-active GM.

    MacT came in at a time when we were getting better, talked a lot of shit about impatience and bold moves, fired the coach, hired another, and now we’re worse just as the window of opportunity for the Oilers young core is in sight.

  38. bendelson says:

    * slowly backs away from this thread careful not to make any sudden moves…

  39. Genjutsu says:

    Woodguy,

    You should expect someone who gets the easiest spot as far as ZS and QC to post positive WOWY across the board, unless they are a face puncher, no?

  40. Rebilled says:

    Jasmine,

    Tambellini was given a free ride but I would say he was often criticized.

    You can add the heavily injury prone, old DUI goalie to your list too.

    Ference is overpaid for what he is, he wasn’t a 1-2 dman in Boston. NK was our starter.

    He also spent way too much money on ties.

  41. Woodguy says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    gcw_rocks,

    Hey, if Tambellini is allowed to sign a geriatric Khabibulin to a four-year-long contract because he won a Cup, why can’t MacTavish sign a geriatric Ference to a four-year-long contract (with a no-movement clause) because he won a Cup?

    Are we going to discriminate against MacTavish and ignore past precedent?That’s unfair.

    Agreed.

  42. Woodguy says:

    Genjutsu:
    Woodguy,

    You should expect someone who gets the easiest spot as far as ZS and QC to post positive WOWY across the board, unless they are a face puncher, no?

    No because he also played up the line up.

    When he played with Petry he wasn’t getting cherry zone starts or comp.

    Slightly easier comp with Jultz, but no free ride, same type of minutes that Ference played all year.

    Petry 131min
    Jultz 215min

    Would have been the tougher comp, although Jultz gets nice ZS.

    Larssen 133min
    Nultz 122min
    Fraser 68min
    Potter 61min

    These would have been the easier comp.

    He did better with Petry and Jultz than Ference did, and there is no reason to think that their minutes got easier when Belov was on port than Ference.

    Petry and Jultz were 1/2 RHD all year.

  43. Woodguy says:

    Jasmine: Why was Tambellini given a free ride for 5 years. He was hardly ever criticized. MacT was criticized the minute he was hired.
    Why wasn’t Tambellini criticized for
    - Trading Brodziak for draft picks
    - Trading Penner for picks and worse players
    - Trading Visnovsky for Ryan Whitney
    - Trading Gilbert for Nick Schultz
    - Firing 4 coaches in 5 years
    - Mistreating Souray (Souray’s problem was with Tambellini and he should have said so)

    Lowetide’s place.

    Where Tambellini got full support and no one criticized him.

    Ok then.

  44. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy:

    He was on IR at the deadline and you cannot trade an injured player.

    Steve “The Madoff” Tambellini begs to differ.

  45. RexLibris says:

    Jasmine:
    Why was Tambellini given a free ride for 5 years. He was hardly ever criticized. MacT was criticized the minute he was hired.

    Why wasn’t Tambellini criticized for

    - Trading Brodziak for draft picks
    - Trading Penner for picks and worse players
    - Trading Visnovsky for Ryan Whitney
    - Trading Gilbert for Nick Schultz
    - Firing 4 coaches in 5 years
    - Mistreating Souray (Souray’s problem was with Tambellini and he should have said so)

    I was fully prepared to criticize Tambellini, I simply was conducting a full and exhaustive evaluative review of his moves.

    I expect I should have a strong, fully encompassing criticism of Tambellini prepared by next spring.

  46. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: Lowetide’s place.

    Where Tambellini got full support and no one criticized him.

    Ok then.

    Support all down the line!

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2012/06/b-flat.html

  47. G Money says:

    RexLibris,

    Please make sure you consult with Stevie Y before posting.

    OKTHXBYE

  48. icecastles says:

    Ducey: You people have lost your minds.

    The voices in my head disagree vehemently.

    Jasmine: Why was Tambellini given a free ride for 5 years.

    Okay, some peoples’ minds are more lost than others.

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