RE 13-14 BEN SCRIVENS: SWEET THING

Ben Scrivens was a Godsend. An NHL team needs adequate goaltending, and a team like Edmonton—IN the NHL without actually being NHL calibre—well it’s a damn good idea to find Superman and throw him in there.

BEN SCRIVENS 13-14

  • Boxcars: 21gp, 3.01
  • SP: .916
  • W-L-T: 9-11-0
  • SP behind starter: .018 better than Dubnyk
  1. What do the numbers tell us? The numbers say Scrivens was an average (or so) NHL goalie for the Oilers. Compared to what had come before, he was manna from heaven.
  2. Was he a good acquisition? God yes! Scrivens was brilliant as he arrived, and his won-loss record, not that we judge him based on that, is 9-11-0. Without Scrivens getting the decision, the 2013-14 Oilers went 20-33-9.
  3. What were his overall numbers? 40GP, 2.55 .922
  4. .922 is very good. Tied for 11th in the NHL.
  5. What was his EV SP? .922 as well. 25 points better than Dubnyk.
  6. Are you going to do a Dubnyk RE? No.
  7. Should we talk about him here? We’ll do it in the Fasth RE.
  8. Was the trade good value? Yes. 63rd overall pick for your starting goalie? All day.
  9. LAK might get a very good player. Who probably arrives in the NHL in 2018.
  10. What if he doesn’t work out? MacTavish made a very good bet. Scrivens has a wonderful opportunity here, my guess is he grabs it.
  11. Some Oiler fans aren’t convinced of him. Some Oiler fans aren’t convinced of Taylor Hall.
  12. Are you completely convinced of him? Scrivens worked hard to get himself into this position, and has been rewarded for it with a contract and a number one job. If it doesn’t work out, it’s still a good bet.
  13. If he and Fasth become a solid tandem, that’s a huge item off the table. You bet, and at a reasonable price.
  14. What is he getting again? Two years times $2.3 million dollars.
  15. Why do you like him so much? I’ve actually followed Scrivens going back to his days at Cornell. He was the goalie during Riley Nash’s career there, so anyone who followed the Big Red could tell you Scrivens was a helluva goalie.
  16. Why this song? I’ll let you in on a little secret. Van Morrison’s music isn’t really about being happy. Not a lot of sunshine in Van City. I don’t think he skips much, and when he’s overcome by something it’s usually tragic or not something you mention to Mom.
  17. So, this is Van happy? I think so. It’s so fun, has to be. The strings are rambunctious, his voice is lilting—I’m reasonably sure this is joy.
  18. Is he the real deal? I’ll be satisfied not to read in between the lines.

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43 Responses to "RE 13-14 BEN SCRIVENS: SWEET THING"

  1. LMHF#1 says:

    If you knock out a couple of the later performances where the team really cratered on him, his numbers are silly good. Let’s hope he gears up big-time for the coming season and really runs with this.

    I have to say – I really like Fasth too. Different sort of goalie but effective. It will be a battle. That’s progress.

  2. PhrankLee says:

    Ahh. The ride cymbal in this song spirits me away to much younger, hopeful years. Im happy with the tandem at present. Still a lot of “ifs”. I pray as well this portion of the club is settled for at least one year. Look for one of them to leave town in a package that does not include 89. That kid in ECHL is banging on the pipes.

  3. frjohnk says:

    We could have got Schneider with last years first, a second and Marincin. We ended up getting Scrivens for a third round pick. Getting Schneider would have been an overpay. Scrivens was a value deal.

  4. Racki says:

    Superb deal. The Jason Smith trade of MacT’s short tenure. It’s good to have boxes on our checklist checked off aside from the ones we draft.

    Instantly checked off vs maybe, down the road..

  5. gcw_rocks says:

    Some Oiler fans aren’t convinced of Taylor Hall.

    That’s not a fair comparison. Hall is a proven elite level winger. Scrivens may be a good goalie, or he may be an AHL goalie who got on a hot streak. We don’t know. I sure hope he is the real deal, but until he had done it over a full season, we are better off approaching Scrivens with caution.

    There exists a material probability that we are right back here next year talking about how the oilers need a proven goalie.

    That said, he had a hell of a nice run there for a while.

  6. wintoon says:

    While his numbers are solid, the real bonus here is what he did for the psyche of the Oilers as a whole. Instead of dreading what would happen if they gave up a shot or a scoring opportunity, the team developed confidence that Scrivens would most likely make the save. This allows the team to then start to approach the game with a positive outlook. This will bear fruit in the coming season.

    As a side note his 59 save outing this year was a pure gem!

  7. Rondo says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Some Oiler fans aren’t convinced of Taylor Hall.

    That’s not a fair comparison. Hall is a proven elite level winger.Scrivens may be a good goalie, or he may be an AHL goalie who got on a hot streak. We don’t know. I sure hope he is the real deal, but until he had done it over a full season, we are better off approaching Scrivens with caution.

    There exists a material probability that we are right back here next year talking about how the oilers need a proven goalie.

    That said, he had a hell of a nice run there for a while.

    Hall has proven he is an excellent regular season player.

  8. Genjutsu says:

    Go to TSN now and vote Hemmer. He needs us.

    Less than an hour to go!

  9. Racki says:

    wintoon:
    While his numbers are solid, the real bonus here is what he did for the psyche of the Oilers as a whole. Instead of dreading what would happen if they gave up a shot or a scoring opportunity, the team developed confidence that Scrivens would most likely make the save. This allows the team to then start to approach the game with a positive outlook. This will bear fruit in the coming season.

    As a side note his 59 save outing this year was a pure gem!

    That alone might be worthy of a bronze statue outside the new arena Lol

  10. Pouzar says:

    When evaluating goalies don’t be afraid to use your eyes. Scrivens is light years better than anything we’ve had here in awhile.

  11. Radman says:

    Seems to me there are important intangibles with Scrivens as well.

    Character guy. He and his wife seem keen to embrace the city and the opportunity here. Spruce Grove boy returns. Community minded. Scrivens is a bright guy, and my guess he’ll be a leader in the dressing room. He communicates with his Dmen on the ice as well.

    He seems like a battler, kind of like Rollie was . Fingers crossed he can continue to provide even adequate goaltending which puts us miles ahead of the start of this season.

  12. Lowetide says:

    Pouzar:
    When evaluating goalies don’t be afraid to use your eyes. Scrivens is light years better than anything we’ve had here in awhile.

    My experience with people who talk about goalie mechanics is they defend a guy until he turns south, and then say “I never liked him.” I LIKED Devan Dubnyk and I like Ben Scrivens.

    I’ll even like Scrivens if this disaster of a team leaves him playing goal in the AHL and wondering what the hell happened.

    My eyes tell me he’s a fine young goalie, but let’s get him a couple of years into the job before getting too settled. Eakins might bring back the swarm, after all.

  13. Racki says:

    Lowetide: My experience with people who talk about goalie mechanics is they defend a guy until he turns south, and then say “I never liked him.” I LIKED Devan Dubnyk and I like Ben Scrivens.

    I’ll even like Scrivens if this disaster of a team leaves him playing goal in the AHL and wondering what the hell happened.

    My eyes tell me he’s a fine young goalie, but let’s get him a couple of years into the job before getting too settled. Eakins might bring back the swarm, after all.

    Yes, but why did you hate Dubnyk so much? (starting a new bit here)

  14. VanOil says:

    A rational draft theory exposed but is it executed as well? Check this out if you like Drafts in general;

    http://www.cincinnati.com/videos/sports/nfl/bengals/2014/05/06/8758625/

  15. sliderule says:

    If Scrivens can maintain the save percentage the oilers will reduce their GA to about 230.

    If they can sign or trade for another thirty goals for they might even contend for playoffs.

    Tall order isn’t it?

  16. Racki says:

    sliderule:
    If Scrivens can maintain the save percentage the oilers will reduce their GA to about 230.

    If they cansign or trade for another thirty goals for they might even contend for playoffs.

    Tall order isn’t it?

    Also a lot of room for improvement in shots against. Bring it down to league average and you are looking at closer to 205 GA. Of course that’s a more perfect storm scenario.. But they they have what I’d say is good goaltending.. Get better team defence, and they can go places.

    That, sadly, won’t happen over night though

  17. Hammers says:

    The key will be the tandem and not just Scrivens . McT made a smart move getting them both and Fasth may get more games but probably a 50/50 split if Eakins uses them the right way . All I’m sure of is there will be no playoffs without an improvement on “D” . One top and one depth . McT added the 2 goalies and now he needs 2 “D” . We have Petry , Marincin , Schultz ,Ference . Add one of Myers , Erhoff or Coburn and one of the UFA’s for the depth guy . Getting the right trade for your 2-3 “D” will be the problem especially if you want to draft one of Reinhart , Bennet or Draistle.

  18. RexLibris says:

    Also noticed the other day that Jen Scrivens had written a few pieces for ON and is now employed locally for Ronald McDonald house.

    Night and day from previous spousal experiences here in the city.

    We should remind ourselves of this the next time a troll from outside the 780 (you know, like Damien Cox) tells us that Edmonton is a nowhere town.

    I like Scrivens. Smart guy, even-keeled, and talented. He may not be Ken Dryden but he’s ours.

  19. russ99 says:

    I really like Scrivens, but I wonder if his numbers with the Kings are a bit of a fluke. What he did for us is more in line with his previous numbers.

    Then again, he may perform better when we have a better team and he’s not facing so many shots every night.

    Personally I think Fasth is a better option as a starter, but a reliable backup who can step in is very valuable.

  20. leadfarmer says:

    Likelyhood the 3rd round pick will be as good or better than Scrivens is very slim. Thats why it was a good trade. For once, an NHLer acquired for magic beans

  21. rickithebear says:

    Srivens at even with
    Schultz/Petry/ Larsen/ Marincin is a .933 save% golaie who faced 27.6% shots inside 20ft.

    With Fraser and injured Ference at even
    an .883 save % golaie who faces 30.7% of shots in side 20 ft.

    Belov and Klefbom were not listed in sure shot search.

    we do know from Stats hockey analysis that most D were having there worst results with
    Smid; Belov; Fraser.

    based on ference performance post mid Jan.
    i would suspect that 4.50+ even GA/60 (injured) ference would have greatly affected a players results.

    Klefbom had 35.1% zone start hardest in the league.
    W/ J. schultz/Inj ference/Fraser 4.79 EVGA/60
    W/ Petry/Larsen/Marincin 1.28 EVGA/60

    So we need to get rid of Belov; Fraser.
    Hope Ference heals properly.
    Retain Petry; Larsen
    Play Marincin versus1st comp all season.
    Decide if Schultz defensive libality is worth his offence.
    Try Klefbom at 3rd pairing with more sheltered zone start.
    Marincin-XXX
    Ference-Petry
    Klefbom-XXX
    Larsen

  22. Andy P says:

    rickithebear:
    Srivens at even with
    Schultz/Petry/ Larsen/ Marincin is a .933 save% golaie who faced 27.6% shots inside 20ft.

    With Fraser and injured Ference at even
    an .883 save % golaie who faces 30.7% of shots in side 20 ft.

    Belov and Klefbom were not listed in sure shot search.

    we do know from Stats hockey analysis that most D were having there worst results with
    Smid; Belov; Fraser.

    based on ference performance post mid Jan.
    i would suspect that 4.50+ even GA/60 (injured) ference would have greatly affected a players results.

    Klefbom had 35.1% zone start hardest in the league.
    W/ J. schultz/Inj ference/Fraser 4.79 EVGA/60
    W/ Petry/Larsen/Marincin 1.28 EVGA/60

    So we need to get rid of Belov; Fraser.
    Hope Ference heals properly.
    Retain Petry; Larsen
    Play Marincin versus1st comp all season.
    Decide if Schultz defensive libality is worth his offence.
    Try Klefbom at 3rd pairing with more sheltered zone start.
    Marincin-XXX
    Ference-Petry
    Klefbom-XXX
    Larsen

    So Belov’s gone already, leaving Fraser.

  23. wintoon says:

    Time and again I see comments where people are concerned by the Oilers defense. Almost everyone says that the Oilers have offensive talent and if we just fix the D we will be OK. Personally one of my biggest concerns is the poor quality of offense. With all the talent we are supposed to have it sure isn’t reflected in G/F.

    While we definitely need to upgrade the D, we also have to upgrade the O. If MacT makes moves on both O and D they will create benefits for each other. Better offense will mean less D zone time and better D zone coverage will mean more O zone time. These can’t be looked at in isolation, they are interdependent.

    Hopefully our 2014 #3 Overall will contribute to solving one of these and trades/UFAs can help solve the other.

  24. Andy P says:

    wintoon:
    Time and again I see comments where people are concerned by the Oilers defense. Almost everyone says that the Oilers have offensive talent and if we just fix the D we will be OK. Personally one of my biggest concerns is the poor quality of offense. With all the talent we are supposed to have it sure isn’t reflected in G/F.

    While we definitely need to upgrade the D, we also have to upgrade the O. If MacT makes moves on both O and D they will create benefits for each other. Better offense will mean less D zone time and better D zone coverage will mean more O zone time. These can’t be looked at in isolation, they are interdependent.

    Hopefully our 2014 #3 Overall will contribute to solving one of these and trades/UFAs can help solve the other.

    On a related note – coaching, Jon Willis wrote an excellent piece on cronyism at ON:
    http://oilersnation.com/2014/5/6/the-old-boys-club

  25. FTO says:

    Hey guys,

    A little OT but can anyone explain why so many posters here and at ON and such other sites think that Daisatl is such a clear downgrade on Bennett and Reinhart? He isn’t in a lot of peoples top three except seemingly the Oilers. Their stats are so similar yet it appears people are equating this to be picking up Pouliot instead of Parise.

    Is it just because the Flames pick after us? Or people inexplicably believing that they KNOW Bennett will be Toews/Gilmour 100%?

    I’m not even sure myself who i’d want out of the centers if we had to pick between Bennett or Draisatl, but I believe they are both going to be quite good. Just funny to me people are already lamenting the German love coming from Edmonton media.

  26. bendelson says:

    Clearly, fixing the ‘D’ will help the Oilers in all areas of the game – goaltending, defense and offense next season and beyond. Not much to debate here…

    My thoughts: the addition of Kulemin could very well be the best UFA move made this summer should it happen… and it should happen! Think Boyd Gordon++. A real hockey player, heavy, defensively responsible with some legit upside, and just maybe he can help a certain young Russian sniper currently left dangling in the wind. He does just about everything very well and the age/money isn’t an outrageous fit.

    He should be first on MacT’s list. This is THE UFA to sign over the summer.

    Then, maybe they trade Gagner for… Nick Spaling. What? Yes, Nick Spaling. Do it and you know you now have 2/3′s of a juggernaut of a third line (not to mention a solid forward group for the PK) – in the prime of their careers. Nick Spaling may not be a front page news type player, but he would improve the team from game 1 next season.

    Just a thought. Many names have been discussed regarding Gagner most of which in my estimation are overvaluing Gagner significantly. Maybe Spaling is more reasonable?

    Sign Kulemin MacT!
    I’ll say it again, sign Kulemin!!

  27. vangolf says:

    Anyone see Hextall’s veiled hack attack on the Oilers? Not that I disagree with what was said. Also, I think this may frost the relationship between the 2 orgs a bit and make a couturier/Coburn deal a lot more remote.

  28. G Money says:

    LT sez: Not a lot of sunshine in Van City.

    Ha! I see what you did there!

  29. Showerhead says:

    vangolf:
    Anyone see Hextall’s veiled hack attack on the Oilers?Not that I disagree with what was said. Also, I think this may frost the relationship between the 2 orgs a bit and make a couturier/Coburn deal a lot more remote.

    I did not. Elaborate? I’m curious as to what you mean.

  30. Showerhead says:

    vangolf:
    Showerhead,

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Matt-Henderson/Hextall-Skewers-The-Oilers/191/59927

    Ha, wow. That’s about as direct as you can be. Thanks for that, Vangolf.

    I’m not sure this guarantees that the organizations won’t trade with each other though – if Hextall really thinks EDM is terrible, maybe he thinks he can get a deal of some kind. Who knows, but yeah – pretty blunt.

  31. Racki says:

    FTO:
    Hey guys,

    A little OT but can anyone explain why so many posters here and at ON and such other sites think that Daisatl is such a clear downgrade on Bennett and Reinhart? He isn’t in a lot of peoples top three except seemingly the Oilers. Their stats are so similar yet it appears people are equating this to be picking up Pouliot instead of Parise.

    Is it just because the Flames pick after us? Or people inexplicably believing that they KNOW Bennett will be Toews/Gilmour 100%?

    I’m not even sure myself who i’d want out of the centers if we had to pick between Bennett or Draisatl, but I believe they are both going to be quite good. Just funny to me people are already lamenting the German love coming from Edmonton media.

    You answered your own question. It’s because he isn’t in the top 3 of any of the big scouting agencies (that I know of) but apparently is in the Oilers’ eyes. Most don’t think he would be the best player available at 3. That’s pretty much it.

  32. fifthcartel says:

    Apparently Yakimov has been signed to his ELC and has appeared on the Oilers capgeek.

    http://capgeek.com/oilers

  33. G Money says:

    FTO: I’m not even sure myself who i’d want out of the centers if we had to pick between Bennett or Draisatl, but I believe they are both going to be quite good. Just funny to me people are already lamenting the German love coming from Edmonton media.

    Draisaitl was 2nd in the mid-term rankings, he’s fourth in the final rankings for N American skaters.

    If the Oilers pick him 3rd, it is ridiculous for anyone to suggest that they’ve somehow gone off the board in doing so.

    And it is certainly indicative of the level of discourse on ON that people can argue so strongly that one player must be so much better than another player based on – what I guarantee you – is nothing more than rankings and profiles they’ve read on websites, with little to zero scouting experience or firsthand knowledge to back it up.

  34. G Money says:

    Follow up to previous post:

    The funniest part of that discourse is that so many of those same people who so forcefully argue that Player X (who they’ve never seen and know nothing about) is better than Player Y (who they’ve also never seen and know nothing about), so it would be a tragic mistake to draft Player Y, will at the same time insist that it would be a mistake for the anyone to draft Ekblad at [1,2,3] – even though Ekblad has been consistently ranked first or second, usually first, by pretty much every draft rating agency the entire year.

    Hilthetic.

    (I had to invent a new word to capture how I feel about these draft ranking flame wars: they are hilarious + pathetic = hilthetic).

  35. Hammers says:

    G Money: Draisaitl was 2nd in the mid-term rankings, he’s fourth in the final rankings for N American skaters.If the Oilers pick him 3rd, it is ridiculous for anyone to suggest that they’ve somehow gone off the board in doing so.And it is certainly indicative of the level of discourse on ON that people can argue so strongly that one player must be so much better than another player based on – what I guarantee you – is nothing more than rankings and profiles they’ve read on websites, with little to zero scouting experience or firsthand knowledge to back it up.

    Unless your talking Crosby type players you better hope your in the ballpark no matter if you choose 1st or 3rd . Example is the Taylor / Tyler debate . Both have been proven to be top picks & not much between them . This year I’m guessing the top 5 will be there 5-8 years from now but not in the exact pick there taken . It’s one of those years .

  36. nycoil says:

    Wouldn’t lose sleep over the Hextall comments about the Oilers. A Couturier trade was a very unlikely thing anyway without giving up one of the big four. And, well, the man is right. Who’s had fun the last 6, 7 years?

    It will be interesting to see how Hextall, who learned from Lombardi, meshes with Holmgren and how much autonomy he will have.

  37. jimmers2 says:

    Showerhead,

    Nyah, Hextall is just jealous, not only did the old Oilers know how to win better than Philly, the current ones lose better as well.

    However, first day on the job and Hextall takes a gratuitous slash at the Oilers straight off? Easy target for sure, but just why would Hextall think he is an expert on winning the Stanley Cup? Oh, do I ever yearn for the day when the skinny guy lays out the bully for a change. Where have you gone, Mr. Atlas?

  38. Woodguy says:

    G Money: Draisaitl was 2nd in the mid-term rankings, he’s fourth in the final rankings for N American skaters.

    If the Oilers pick him 3rd, it is ridiculous for anyone to suggest that they’ve somehow gone off the board in doing so.

    And it is certainly indicative of the level of discourse on ON that people can argue so strongly that one player must be so much better than another player based on – what I guarantee you – is nothing more than rankings and profiles they’ve read on websites, with little to zero scouting experience or firsthand knowledge to back it up.

    Amen.

  39. Bank Shot says:

    Scrivens played pretty well for the Oilers last year. Hopefully between him and Fasth the Oilers can get at least league average netminding next season. Lord knows they will need it.

    I’m happy Hextall trashed the Oilers. The more media, people in the game pubically humiliating them the better. That’s really the only pressure for them to make changes and improve the org.

  40. Rebilled says:

    July 1, 2009

    Oilers get Khabibulin for 4 years, $15 million

    09-10 last place: Hall
    10-11 last place: Nuge
    11-12 second last place: Yak
    12-13 7th pick: Nurse

    Oilers give Dubnyk his shot as they should have. Eliminated in the first month basically. Bye bye DD

    13-14 3rd last place, Oilers trade DD and pick up The Professor and Fasth

    First game the Professor breaks the post-lockout shutout record.

    If MacT makes some good moves, I’m actually looking forward to 14-15

    Any ideas what those 80′s curses done by cövens in Calgary do to us this year?

  41. icecastles says:

    Van Morrison’s music isn’t really about being happy. Not a lot of sunshine in Van City. I don’t think he skips much, and when he’s overcome by something it’s usually tragic or not something you mention to Mom.

    All this time I thought Nick Cave was the godfather of goth, when in fact it was the prince of darkness Van Morrison! Grim, that fellow. Almost as dark as those sorrow-mongers The Carpenters.

  42. TheOtherJohn says:

    Sorry been tied up at work. Missed this topic. Scrivens in March and April 14 starts I believe had very similar numbers to the last 19 games that Dubnyk posted prior to being traded to Nashville. No question that Dubnyk struggled mightily at start of the season. His numbers in November and December were:

    GP GS TOI W L OTL GA GAA SA Sv SV%

    November 11 10 52:41 4 6 0 26 2.69 272 246 .904

    December 9 8 52:15 4 4 1 25 3.19 262 237 .905

    Scrivens

    March 10 9 57:27 4 5 0 34 3.55 355 321 .904

    April 4 4 60:32 2 2 0 13 3.22 134 121 .903

    I like Scriven because he is a very affabable & oh so competitive young man but the consensus is one of these two guys is a complete bum and he other is a rising star. The above info seems, albeit in a small sample size, to call either conclusion into question

    Again apologies for posting late

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