RE 13-14 VIKTOR FASTH: COME RUNNING

We first became aware of Viktor Fasth in the spring of 2011. He looked good from here, but headed for the coast instead of the hinterland. Three years later, he arrived in Edmonton as an Oiler.

VIKTOR FASTH 13-14

  • Boxcars: 7gp, 2.13
  • SP: .914
  • W-L-T: 3-3-1
  • SP behind starter: .020 better than Dubnyk
  1. What do these numbers tell us? MacTavish started with a poor goalie tandem, and he fixed it in-season. Impressive.
  2. How sure are you about Fasth? He has a nice resume, and he played well for the Oilers upon arrival. He’s signed for one more season, at $2.9 million which is perhaps a little dear but not impossible to deal with for the Oilers.
  3. Is he talented enough to win the job away from Scrivens? Yes.
  4. Which goalie do you like more? I’m convinced on Scrivens, and like Fasth in the same range. The real appeal for me is that even if one works out and the other doesn’t, that’s progress.
  5. You wrote about him back in 2011. He didn’t come over until 2012. Yes.
  6. Who will we be talking about next spring? I pray baby Jesus it’s Scrivens and Fasth.
  7. Meaning they will have played well. Yes.
  8. How would you describe Fasth’s style. Puck stop guy. Butterfly, but a bybrid. He follows the puck like a hawk. A bloody mirror, he is.
  9. Goalie descriptions haven’t progressed over the years. Well, they don’t say ‘goaler’ anymore but it’s a lonely position and only goalies know the experience. It’s a crazy position to play, you’re volunteering to get hit 50 times a game.
  10. What was the injury? Lower body during pre-game warmup in maybe November. I don’t know what it was, ‘muscle inflammation’ was mentioned.
  11. You like the bet? Sure. I don’t know that there’s any real way to say which of these goalies will end up number one, but my sense is that Fasth may not have been completely right, despite playing well as an Oiler. It’ll be fun to see him in the fall.
  12. Can we talk about Dubnyk? Sure. What do you want to talk about.
  13. What the hell happened? He wasn’t sharp, I remember the last pre-season game against Dallas and the entire team was awful. That’s a bad sign, you’d think the club would be headed in a good direction. First game, Dubnyk looks wobbly and then lets in a goal from long range and now we’re swimming in the glue. By the time he hit Toronto, that’s all she wrote.
  14. Why was it so bad? Dubnyk lost all confidence, and the swarm gives up stellar chances.
  15. There was always some question about Dubnyk. Darren Pang: “I did a poll of four NHL GMs about Devan Dubnyk and asked them what they thought his upside would be as a #1 goaltender. The answer coming back is: No. And that’s based on his lack of lateral movement. He’s a competitor, he’s working hard, he’s winning over his teammates but at this particular point, no, not a #1 goaltender. I would say there’s at least five or six goaltenders in the same age group who have got more upside as a number one.”
  16. What is the depth chart for the goalies next season? Let’s start with the men under contract or rfa’s. 1. Scrivens; 2. Fasth; 3. Richard Bachman; 4. Laurent Brossoit; 5. Frans Tuohimaa; 6. Tyler Bunz.
  17. Are any of those goalies behind 1-2 worth talking about? Sure. One thing history shows is that a goalie can travel an unusual path to their destiny.
  18. Bunz was awful. No, he wasn’t. Bunz was .903 in Bakersfield, .901 in OKC. That’s not all-world, but he improved year over year. He needs a healthy season, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they find a way to send him away, but he’s not posting .850s or anything.
  19. They should never have signed Tuohimaa! It’s funny, he played 1 AHL game and had a .950 SP, and his Finnish season was poor. I don’t know where he is as a prospect, but a full minor league season will help paint the picture.
  20. Brossoit is the future! We don’t know that, not at all. We do know that he’s posted fine performances in the ECHL and that the GM traded an NHL player for him.
  21. So, what happens next season? I think MacT probably feels comfortable with Scrivens-Fasth in the NHL, and will go Bachman-Brossoit in OKC and Tuohimaa-Bunz-Ty Rimmer in the ECHL.
  22. If you had to bet, which prospect makes it to the NHL? For a game? Brossoit.
  23. Which one has the best chance at an NHL career? Bachman.
  24. Such a jerk. Hard to project any of these kids.

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46 Responses to "RE 13-14 VIKTOR FASTH: COME RUNNING"

  1. wintoon says:

    Are Scrivens and Fasth the answer to the Oilers goaltending problems? We don’t know. One thing however is that at least MacT has addressed a serious shortcoming and can now focus his efforts elsewhere during this off season.

    While that may not appear to be a big plus, it actually is. The Oilers, as currently constructed, have numerous holes that need attention and this gives MacT some latitude to do so.

  2. Lowetide says:

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  3. sliderule says:

    Brossoit just let in five goals on 22 shots so his save percentage just took a dive.

    The oilers will probably have a lot of switching back and forth with the goalies until one of the young ones take hold of the bit and run.

  4. sumaclab says:

    If Scrivens and Fasth both perform lights out next season we are so happy that were drinking shots at the Pint because were in the playoffs.

    If only one does we’ll be looking at a 20th place finish. If both sink were drafting MCDAVID.

    Its that simple.

    The biggest factor is will the defence ahead of them be filled with teenagers or with 5- 6-7 veteran foot soldiers.

    Either way its going to be a shitstorm of pucks arriving at the net of the Oilers goaltenders.

    I am not going to hold my breath worrying about GAA or save percentage. Both will be ugly numbers.Its the wins and losses that I will be looking at.

    Go Oil Kings

  5. oliveoilers says:

    sumaclab:
    If Scrivens and Fasth both perform lights out next season we are so happy that were drinking shots at the Pint because were in the playoffs.

    If only one does we’ll be looking at a20th place finish. If both sink were drafting MCDAVID.

    Its that simple.

    The biggest factor is will the defence ahead of them be filled with teenagers or with 5- 6-7 veteran foot soldiers.

    Either way its going to be a shitstorm of pucks arriving at the net of the Oilers goaltenders.

    I am not going to hold my breath worrying about GAA or save percentage. Both will be ugly numbers.Its the wins and losses that I will be looking at.

    Go Oil Kings

    If only it were that simple. Pinning our hopes on the goalies is the same as pinning them on teenagers, even if it worked in Star Wars. The rest of the team, like LT mentions, have to stop giving up virtual tap ins. The soft goals don’t help, certainly, but over a large sample size things SHOULD even out. Good teams with average goal-tending? Chicago. Awesome defence (except for the other night) and probably Pittsburgh. Fluery got two post season shut outs, but not because he’s the best goalie in the game. Teams leaning on their goalies? Nashville, Winnipeg etc. Didn’t work out too well for them.

  6. Woodguy says:

    Rom linked to a good story by Lebrun about Toffoli and Pearson on twitter.

    http://espn.go.com/nhl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/10898933/tyler-toffoli-tanner-pearson-rise-los-angeles-kings-challenge

    Lots of good truths there.

    “I think there’s a difference between making a team and being ready,” Kings GM Dean Lombardi said as he sat back in his office chair Wednesday. “It’s analogous at times to how you see these quarterbacks in football, ‘OK, he makes the team, but is he ready?’ You see a young QB make a bad team in the NFL. ‘OK, he’s made the team, but is he really ready?’ There’s a difference. Given that the role both these kids will one day play for us, higher up in our lineup, it requires more training. It’s a more difficult job description. I think we felt, the old adage, nobody ever failed from being over-prepared.”

    Oilers have been the team where players “make the team” when they are far from “ready”

    Staring with Gagner in 2007 and it hasn’t gotten better.

  7. PhrankLee says:

    I’m looking forward to seeing this tandem in the cycle of a season. Roli has big words backing Victor. Ben has showed us flashes of genius and is an egghead to boot, a la Dryden. When was the last time, though, we had a #1 G who could handle the puck well? Roli was average at puck handling. Watching Bryz pass the puck up the open wing on a line change really gave a dimension we lack entirely. A goalie who can handle the puck well.

  8. RBB says:

    Good morning LT-nation (?),

    Let’s all go to the oil kings games and support our team in the playoffs!!!
    The games have been incredible; yet, the seats are damn near empty.

    Or were we serious when we said that we’re waiting for the new arena to cheer for playoff hockey…

  9. Hammers says:

    Woodguy: Rom linked to a good story by Lebrun about Toffoli and Pearson on twitter.http://espn.go.com/nhl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/10898933/tyler-toffoli-tanner-pearson-rise-los-angeles-kings-challengeLots of good truths there.“I think there’s a difference between making a team and being ready,” Kings GM Dean Lombardi said as he sat back in his office chair Wednesday. “It’s analogous at times to how you see these quarterbacks in football, ‘OK, he makes the team, but is he ready?’ You see a young QB make a bad team in the NFL. ‘OK, he’s made the team, but is he really ready?’ There’s a difference. Given that the role both these kids will one day play for us, higher up in our lineup, it requires more training. It’s a more difficult job description. I think we felt, the old adage, nobody ever failed from being over-prepared.”Oilers have been the team where players “make the team” when they are far from “ready”Staring with Gagner in 2007 and it hasn’t gotten better.

    Totally agree and that’s why Nurse needs to go back to junior , Klefbom to OKL , and if we draft a top “C” or Ekblad send them back .I hope McT is that kind of GM . There are always exceptions and that is why we see players make the jump every year but they must be at a certain level . As for players like Gags , Schultz , Lander it has done more harm than good .

  10. Racki says:

    Confidence in goaltending is a powerful thing. Or perhaps more appropriately, lack of confidence in goaltending is a very powerful thing. I think the Oilers have the best tandem they’ve had in a while. Just pray they stay healthy. I think the Oilers still need a blue line rock, but maybe with the better goaltending they can fake it for a bit with a couple decent guys

  11. nycoil says:

    Woodguy,

    Totally agree. Gagner, Lander, Schultz, now sounds like Klefbom, maybe even Nurse. I would even submit that Nuge could have used a 9 game cup of coffee then one more year in Red Deer a la Drouin. I know he was near a PPG before the shoulder injury, but one more year of bulking up and dominating peers wouldn’t have been terrible. The boxcars said he deserved to be in the show but so did Gagner’s rookie numbers. And here we are 7 years later with regression. I still believe Nuge will get it going but three years in there isn’t a lot of progress there since year one.

    Hall? He was ready. Yak? Very tough to say what’s gone wrong so far.

    Still think MacT’s verbal is worrying. He needs to acquire two vet D-men and send Klefbom back to OKC for a season of playing top pair minutes, 25 per night, all situations. Make sure he is over his injuries. Marincin and Schultz and no more. Heck, I would have sent Schultz down for that primo OKC role, too, but clearly promises were made and it is too late now. Nurse would ideally go to OKC but since he can’t, follow the Pietrangelo model. Give him his nine then send him back. Same goes if Ekblad is the pick.

  12. nycoil says:

    Hammers,

    Beat me to it! Agree with you!

  13. zatch says:

    Out of curiosity, what do you think Edmonton could get for next years 1st and Schultz? Anything good?

  14. Rondo says:

    Why is there an expectation Oilers will make a good decision, that has proved to be the exception and not the rule in the last 8 years.

  15. icecastles says:

    oliveoilers: Pinning our hopes on the goalies is the same as pinning them on teenagers, even if it worked in Star Wars

    Obi Wan. Chewbacca. Han Solo. The teenagers had good coaching and veteran D.

  16. nycoil says:

    One can only hope MacT doesn’t go with the “if we have to go young” option this summer. I like what he did with Perron and the goaltending and want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but enough is enough and it better be a competitive roster with at least one vet 2c, two vet dmen who can play, and two decent bottom six wingers. If not, I may have to join the hysteria crowd calling for the entire front office to be gone and outside blood brought in.

  17. icecastles says:

    Kevin Bieksa named captain of Team Canada. This isn’t going to help me convince anyone that the worlds are a serious tournament.

  18. commonfan14 says:

    zatch: Out of curiosity, what do you think Edmonton could get for next years 1st and Schultz? Anything good?

    Can’t trade that pick – they’re already working on where to put McDavid’s statue.

  19. Younger Oil says:

    I know it was found on capgeek yesterday, but Yakimov is officially signed now. Great news!

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=718422&navid=DL

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=451610

  20. Yeti says:

    icecastles,

    But he really ties the room together.

  21. jake70 says:

    Hope I am wrong, but I get this gut feeling we’ll be talking about goaltending again at some point.

    Agreed LT, listening to Dennis K and yourself, non-first round forwards drafted last several years are floundering it seems. This is where you get your value contracts.

  22. oliveoilers says:

    icecastles: Obi Wan. Chewbacca. Han Solo. The teenagers had good coaching and veteran D.

    LOL, yeah, great supporting cast. Gritty role players. Funny that a western set in space narrative even recognises the need for the not letting the kids do what they like, but letting them do what they’re good at.. Troubling thought: Who’s our effeminate android? And is he the one we’re looking for?

  23. Ducey says:

    nycoil: Woodguy, Totally agree. Gagner, Lander, Schultz, now sounds like Klefbom, maybe even Nurse. I would even submit that Nuge could have used a 9 game cup of coffee then one more year in Red Deer a la Drouin. I know he was near a PPG before the shoulder injury, but one more year of bulking up and dominating peers wouldn’t have been terrible. The boxcars said he deserved to be in the show but so did Gagner’s rookie numbers. And here we are 7 years later with regression. I still believe Nuge will get it going but three years in there isn’t a lot of progress there since year one. Hall? He was ready. Yak? Very tough to say what’s gone wrong so far. Still think MacT’s verbal is worrying. He needs to acquire two vet D-men and send Klefbom back to OKC for a season of playing top pair minutes, 25 per night, all situations. Make sure he is over his injuries. Marincin and Schultz and no more. Heck, I would have sent Schultz down for that primo OKC role, too, but clearly promises were made and it is too late now. Nurse would ideally go to OKC but since he can’t, follow the Pietrangelo model. Give him his nine then send him back. Same goes if Ekblad is the pick.

    Yak and Schultz got an extra 1/2 year of seasoning because of the lockout. So did all the Oilers young players for that matter. Schultz in particular just destroyed the AHL. Pretty hard to keep him down after that.

    I am prepared to be underwhelmed by MacT’s results when it comes to finding some useful vet defensemen. Everything I read about other teams usually involve a discussion on how they need to acquire another solid defensemen or two. Dmen will be a hot commodity.

  24. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I really like the Fasth deal. One year left, still with upside, with some proof of previous success, not too crazy expensive.

    One thing that I kind of wonder about…

    Nick Schultz, Hendricks, Fasth.

    I wonder about that itch at the back of your mouth. Think Matty and Stafford.

    Well before the Gilbert trade, there was Nick Schultz talk around Oilers land… they made a run at Hendricks in the off-season and (I’m assuming) tried to chase Fasth before he landed with the Ducks.

    I’m not saying this is good or bad per se… obviously each case should be evaluated on its own merits. But I do wonder whether the team doesn’t fixate on players and perhaps keep on after them perhaps to the exclusion of exploring other options?

    Any thoughts?

  25. Zangetsu says:

    Who will we be talking about next spring?
    I thought you were gonna say McDavid.

  26. oliveoilers says:

    For the “Let’s trade with Philly” crowd:

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Matt-Henderson/Hextall-Skewers-The-Oilers/191/59927

    There is ZERO respect for our management from Hextall and presumably he is just saying what the Philly organisation thinks of us. This is just one NHL franchise. Could go some way to explaining why we can’t have nice things.

  27. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    oliveoilers:
    For the “Let’s trade with Philly” crowd:

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Matt-Henderson/Hextall-Skewers-The-Oilers/191/59927

    There is ZERO respect for our management from Hextall and presumably he is just saying what the Philly organisation thinks of us.This is just one NHL franchise.Could go some way to explaining why we can’t have nice things.

    If anything this would suggest he’s very open to trading with us.

    You don’t enter business deals exclusively with people you think are smart operators. If anything, you prefer to do business with those you think you are likely to take advantage of.

    Also… the best part of that speech was that in his attempt to diss the Oilers he offers a mind-boggling defense of the Oilers purported strategy.

  28. "Steve Smith" says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: You don’t enter business deals exclusively with people you think are smart operators. If anything, you prefer to do business with those you think are likely to take advantage of.

    Or, as I sometimes put it, “There’s a special place in heaven for lazy Crown prosecutors.”

  29. Zangetsu says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    How do you think MacT would respond to that? If Hextall tries the stuff reported in the fall (eberle or nothing for very little), do you see MacT accepting. It takes two to tango. If they don’t have a mutual respect for each other, a deal won’t get done between two smart men. But because oilers, we probably do get shafted in a deal.

  30. oliveoilers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: If anything this would suggest he’s very open to trading with us.

    You don’t enter business deals exclusively with people you think are smart operators. If anything, you prefer to do business with those you think are likely to take advantage of.

    Also… the best part of that speech was that in his attempt to diss the Oilers he offers a mind-boggling defense of the Oilers purported strategy.

    Haha, yes he did! One wonders if he’d have said the same thing if Giroux hadn’t pulled his finger out of arse after the first 16 games and played lights out.

    Personally, I think 20th place and ahead of the Canucks would be an acceptable season next year, in the real world.

  31. rickithebear says:

    We talk about trades but I finally had some time to Look at yakimov.

    posted this in last post but will post it here.

    A 6’4″ 220LB center who was used in a defensive role.
    Who plays a linear game and NHLE says 14EVG and 9 EVA.

    Boone Jenner 6’2″ 210lb 20 YR 12EVg 9EVA
    Played 928.7 EV min 12.9 EV min/gm
    401.9 min 43.3% with 1st line players
    265.8 min 28.6% with 2nd line players.
    A young man who got a push.

    Size ; pocession; FO; Goal scoring are premiums in winning.

    Hall and Yak were most successful with linear centers who can play a defensive role.
    Horcoff; Belanger; Gordon.

    He might get a Chance to stabalize Yakipov.

    someone said he needs 2 years in the AHL.

    There are 11 Russian forwards in the NHL
    used full time.
    Lets look at 18 year old Production and when in NHL and if any AHL time
    Semin .36PPG .21 GPG age 19 direct ot NHL
    Kulemin .35PPG .16 GPG age 21 contract end then NHL
    Ovechkin .45PPG .24GPG age 20 Lockout then direct to NHL
    Malkin .61 PPG .23 GPG age 20 contract end then direct to NHL
    Tarasenko .45 PPG .21GPG age 20 contract end then NHL
    Nishchuskin (17) .33PPG .22GPG age 18 direct to NHL
    Anisimov .25PPG .07GPG age 20 1 Yr AHL
    loktionov .20PPG .0GPG age 20 1 Yr AHL
    Kucherov .28PPG .07GPG age 20 1YR CHL
    Yakupov
    Datsyuk

    What is clear is russian forwards with better than
    .30PPG and .20GPG had direct entry in to the NHL.

    Yakimov .33PPG .21GPG

  32. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “Steve Smith”: Or, as I sometimes put it, “There’s a special place in heaven for lazy Crown prosecutors.”

    haha.

    “don’t worry career embezzler, this guy’s always on his way to or from lunch”

  33. DBO says:

    rickithebear,

    So if they did look at Yakimov and Yakupov together (almost a Russian kid line) maybe they consider it like a 4th line. Maybe with Lander.

    Hall-Nuge-Eberle
    Perron-????-???
    Hendricks-Gordon-???
    Lander-Yakimov-Yakupov

    Gagner, Gazdic, Pitlick, Horak, Arco the other forwards pushing for time. I actually like the idea of that 4th line. Pov gets PP time, Mov gets PK, and Lander gets PK. Good use of a 4th line.

  34. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Zangetsu:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    How do you think MacT would respond to that? If Hextall tries the stuff reported in the fall (eberle or nothing for very little), do you see MacT accepting. It takes two to tango. If they don’t have a mutual respect for each other, a deal won’t get done between two smart men. But because oilers, we probably do get shafted in a deal.

    MacT would be an idiot to let a slight against his team dissuade him from making a trade he thought was a good move for his team.

    That’s Lowe spiting himself with the Comrie-Perry affair all over again.

    If we are going to get shafted in a deal, it’s because we are terrible at asset management and evaluation, not because someone was mean to us publicly.

  35. Lowetide says:

    “Steve Smith”: Or, as I sometimes put it, “There’s a special place in heaven for lazy Crown prosecutors.”

    I think of you as the Wojeck of the law
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMmYv1Cu5FU

  36. stevezie says:

    On an unrelated note: I think a few people around here would really enjoy watching Neil Young Journeys, Jonathan Demme’s latest concert doc. This one is all solo. Great stuff.

  37. denny33 says:

    oliveoilers,

    There is ZERO respect for our management from Hextall and presumably he is just saying what the Philly organisation thinks of us. This is just one NHL franchise. Could go some way to explaining why we can’t have nice things.
    ******************************************************************************
    If only it was just the Flyers organization that had Zero respect for our organization….

    28 GM’s Speed Dial:

    1. Garth Snow
    2. Kevi…Craig McTavish

  38. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: I think of you as the Wojeck of the law
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMmYv1Cu5FU

    Never heard of that before.

    “Ted Follows” is a great, great name.

    Sidebar: many in lit. circles point to Buchner’s “Woyzeck” (adapted by Berg into a very creepy Opera of the same name) as a forerunner of Modernism, a couple of decades before, say Baudelaire.

  39. speeds says:

    For the sake of argument, what is the ? in the following:

    3OV + ? for 8OV and Gardiner

  40. Lowetide says:

    speeds:
    For the sake of argument, what is the ? in the following:

    3OV + ? for 8OV and Gardiner

    Hmm. My worry there is that 8th might be a little too low. If my top 6 is:

    1. Bennett
    2. Ekblad
    3. Reinhart
    4. Draisaitl
    5. Ehlers
    6. Dal Colle
    7. Ritchie
    8. Virtanen

    That’s a little too far down the line.

  41. speeds says:

    Surprised you have Ritchie and Virtanen ahead of Nylander

  42. Lowetide says:

    speeds:
    Surprised you have Ritchie and Virtanen ahead of Nylander

    I’m miles from having my final list, but Nylander is a guy who seems to be all offense and not much else. Ritchie especially but also Virtanen have some very nice things.

  43. RexLibris says:

    McDavid has been selected by Medvescak Zagreb in the KHL draft.

    Any chance we could use our Russian connections to convince him to come over to the NHL?

  44. Zangetsu says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I think I gotta start being more clear. I think if the flyers think our management is stupid, a reasonable offer is not forthcoming. Everyone around the league undervalues our players, and I think today we got some insights as to why.

  45. jake70 says:

    Not sure what Hextall’s motivation was in calling out the Oilers. Didn’t watch the presser so perhaps he was questioned specifically about tanking for #1 overalls. He could have been more general – it’s not like the Oilers have been in the gutter each draft with a whole bunch of different teams. Call them out also.

    Maybe he is still bitter about 1987.

    Speaking of 80s SC finals, holy cow but 30 years since the first cup May 19, 1984. Man I feel old.

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