2014 DRAFT: DAY ONE

The climax to the season—Edmonton Oiler edition—arrives tonight after work. Edmonton is once again sitting up front, the seventh time in eight seasons they’ll select in the top 10 overall. Next year, let’s hope for second row tables (hurrah!).

The Oilers really can’t miss in their current spot (No. 3 overall) and if they trade down one expects a good NHL center will be part of the return. This is an exciting day to be an Oiler fan, and if I’m a betting man it’s the big German who will be an Oiler by 6 o’clock Edmonton time.

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TOP 120 FOR 2014

  1. (1) C Sam BennettThis is such a close race, but he’s my No. 1 pick. Range of skills, quality center.
  2. (2) C Sam Reinhart—Most skill in the draft, just shy of Bennett due partly to ?s about his future at center.
  3. (4) C Leon Draisaitl—This is a fine hockey player. No one should be surprised if he goes No. 3 overall.
  4. (3) D Aaron Ekblad—Hammer. Lots of defensive value, I’m shy because of the established risk of blue.
  5. (5) L Nikolaj Ehlers—The more we learn about his offensive season, the more impressive he becomes.
  6. (7) L William Nylander—Outstanding talent, impact offensive player.
  7. (9) R Kevin Fiala—I like him a lot, Pronman was the first to mention him at this level.
  8. (6) L Michael Dal Colle—A quality player, offense not as striking when under a microscope.
  9. (8) C Robby Fabbri—He’s a terrific offensive player, great motor.
  10. (12) L Nikita Scherbak—Skilled, rugged winger was a Stone Alone in Saskatoon.
  11. (10) L Jake Virtanen—Power winger who can score goals. 32 EV goals. Lordy.
  12. (18) C Ivan Barbashev—Gritty player with skill. A complete player.
  13. (13) R Kasperi Kapanen—Wide range of views on the Finn, offense is a concern.
  14. (19) R David Pastrnak—Outstanding prospect, might have top 10 talent.
  15. (11) L Nick Ritchie—What will he be in the NHL? A monster, but is he Lucic?
  16. (14) D Haydn Fleury—Jay Bouwmeester’s younger brother.
  17. (15) L Jakub Vrana—I like his scouting report a lot. Sound pick, under the radar.
  18. (21) C Jared McCann—A wide range of skills, I love these guys.
  19. (16) R Alex Tuch—Power forward, question is how much offense. Finished well.
  20. (24) C Vladislav Kamenev—Creative, skilled, has size. Two-way center.
  21. (23) C Dylan Larkin—Creative center, playmaker. Smooth.
  22. (17) D Julius Honka—Everyone talks about his size. He’s a really good player.
  23. (25) L Adrian Kempe—Aggressive, physical winger with skill.
  24. (27) L Sonny Milano—Skill winger with some defensive issues. Natural scorer.
  25. (26) C Connor Bleackley—Physical center with skill.
  26. (20) R Josh Ho-Sang—Started slow, finished strong. Fast.
  27. (31) C John QuennevilleSkill player blossomed in the postseason. Impressive finish.
  28. (28) D Roland McKeown—Fast train with skill. Defensive issues.
  29. (22) L Brendan Perlini—EV totals (58GP, 15-17) are not impressive. Role player.
  30. (32) D Anthony DeAngelo—Phenomenal skater, outstanding offense. A rover, defensive issues.
  31. (30) C Jayce HawrylukExceptional young prospect delivers offense (EV: 59GP, 15-29).
  32. (35) D Marcus PetterssonTrending defender, tall and thin.
  33. (33) G Thatcher DemkoA .935 save percentage is outstanding anywhere.
  34. (34) D Jack Glover—Mobile two-way defender with size and passing ability.
  35. (30)R Nikolai GoldobinEV totals (67GP, 27-37) quality, one dimensional
  36. (36) D Travis SanheimBig defender with nice skills. Good passer, reliable coverage defender.
  37. (41) L Spencer Watson—Pure goal scorer, he’s an impressive skill player.
  38. (37) D Jack Dougherty—Two-way defender with impressive wingspan.
  39. (38) L Justin Kirkland—Trending player, lots of potential but a definite flier.
  40. (39) C Nick SchmaltzCreative center with quick hands.
  41. (40) L Brett Pollock—Skill winger can cash, didn’t help his case in playoffs.
  42. (42) D Dysin MayoA mobile, creative defenseman who can make plays.
  43. (55) L Dexter DancsSleeper power forward.
  44. (43) D Josh JacobsSmooth two-way defenseman with size.
  45. (44) C Eric Cornell—A quality playmaker, he also has size. A trending player.
  46. (45) C Chase De LeoSmall, fast, makes things happen. Famous because Portland Winterhawks.
  47. (46) C Brayden Point—Outstanding playmaker, gritty undersized F. NHLE: 82, 12-19-31 on fast gun.
  48. (47) L Brendan Lemieux—A chippy bugger, he’ll play as high on the depth chart as his skill allows.
  49. (48) L Vladimir Tkachyov—Small, skilled Russian with a ridiculous Q run.
  50. (49) C Ryan DonatoTed’s boy, intelligent skill F. Luedeke likes him.
  51. (50) G Alex Nedeljkovic—Had a .925 SP in the OHL this season. Solid resume.
  52. (NR) C Andrew Mangiapane—Extra Skater superstar, his EV/60 is 3.4 and that’s outstanding.
  53. (51) D Brycen MartinBig defender skates well and moves the puck smartly. A safe pick.
  54. (52) R Anton Karlsson—Big, strong forward with speed and skill. Enigma. 1st rder on talent alone.
  55. (53) L Ryan MacInnis—Lanky winger isn’t strong or fast, but he has talent.
  56. (54) R Vaclav Karabacek—Gritty two-way winger with skill.
  57. (56) C Daniel Audette—Undersized skill player who will find a way. Underrated
  58. (57) C Nicolas Aube-Kubel—Two-way center, he’s aggressive and is a good skater.
  59. (58)  D Jacob MiddletonA nice range of skills, tough season but lots of potential.
  60. (59) R Ondrej Kase—Speedy winger with all kinds of skill.
  61. L Juho Lammikko—Power winger with some skill. Impressive U18′s.
  62. L Kris Schmidli—Extra Skater star, 3.2/60 at evens. Some Swiss kid in Kelowna with good math skills.
  63. D Dominik Masin—Russian blue effective, mobile and has size.
  64. R Hunter Smith—Draft re-entry is a monster.
  65. D Blake Siebenaler—A very nice resume. Puck mover, smooth, has ability.
  66. L Francis Perron—Playmaking winger.
  67. G Ilya Sorokin—Not at all famous, but he stops pucks in the Hinterland.
  68. L Dylan Sadowy—Unusual to find a good scorer this deep, but here he is. 27 goals.
  69. G Mason McDonald—I’m somewhat skeptical, but people like him fine.
  70. D Aaron Irving—I think he’s underrated by most. Two-way defenseman, saw him good.
  71. D Andreas Englund—Swedish defender, tall strong and lean. Could go large, could go Ker-Plunk.
  72. L Michael Bunting— Impressive speed and skill. Probably a checker.
  73. C Luke Philp—Skill center can play a complementary role.
  74. D Ben Thomas—Good stickhandler, has some chaos.
  75. C Radel Fazleev—Trending player, big performance at the U18′s.
  76. L Edgars Kulda—He had a nice season.
  77. D William Lagesson—Two-way defender, interesting bio.
  78. D Gavin Bayreuther—A college man, he’s 20 and has some nice boxcars.
  79. L Warren Foegele—Complete skills, came  out of nowhere. Will he return there?
  80. D Riley Stadel—Crazy good puck handling defender. A draft sleeper.
  81. C Colby Cave—Undersized checker. Lots of those! He has some nice things.
  82. C Reid Gardner—Two-way center, improving.
  83. C Clark Bishop—Hard working C who has terrific speed.
  84. D Luc Snuggerud—Puck moving defender.
  85. R Alexis Pepin—Enormous two-way winger with some skill. Bet the Oilers are on him.
  86. G Ville Husso—Interesting numbers, I’m not sure about the story behind them.
  87. D Brandon Montour—Another guy Luedeke recommended. Might be the anti-Hesketh.
  88. R Alex Schoenborn—Size and skill, just needs to put it together. A nice draft and follow.
  89. C Reid Duke—I’d like to see him on a hockey team.
  90. L Blake Clark—Big power forward with some skill.
  91. G Zachary Nagelvoort: College goalie with good to very good numbers.
  92. C Shane Gersich—Speedy two-way player, that damn Luedeke talked me into it.
  93. D Jake Walman—Great skater, converted forward, long shot.
  94. R Tyler Bird—Huge 17-year old who played high school last season and is on his way to Brown.
  95. C Lukas Wallmark—I refuse to give up. Skilled forward.
  96. D Aaron HaydonHuge defenseman with some ability.
  97. D Alexis Vanier—Weird skill set. Massive guy. Skilled.
  98. D Sebastian Aho—Undersized puck moving defender with some promise.
  99. D Ryan CollinsGiant defensive defenseman.
  100. D Ryan ManthaHuge defender who can handle the puck. Good bloodlines.
  101. C Mike Amadio—Defensive center.
  102. R Austin Poganski—Big throwback winger on his way to UND.
  103. C Kevin Leblanc—Physical 2-way player.
  104. D Emil Johansson—Puck moving defender.
  105. L Shane Eiserman—Big two-way winger, a little challenged on skill.
  106. R Matt Iacopelli—Dominated USHL at 19. On his way to Western Michigan, Oiler heartland.
  107. R Oscar Lindblom—Power forward, has skill.
  108. D Miles Gendron—Crazy good skater, chaos now, could be something later.
  109. L Christian Dvorak—Two-way forward, didn’t score much.
  110. R Noah Rod—Power winger with a cool name.
  111. D Nelson Nogier—Big, mobile stay at home defender.
  112. L Darby Llewellyn—Two-way winger with skill and smarts.
  113. D Rinat Valiev—Russian defender in the west. Puck mover, physical. Interesting.
  114. L Ryan Foss—Power forward frame, scored just okay.
  115. R Keegan Iverson—A big winger with some skill. Physical player.
  116. R Mitchel Slattery—Speedy winger with skill. Interesting prospect.
  117. R Jaden Lindo—Impressive defensive forward, has some skill.
  118. G Chase Perry—Big American goalie with decent boxcars.
  119. C Beau Starrett—Tall forward with skill, varying scouting reports on him.
  120. L Matthew Mistele—Impressive player a year ago, went thud. Risk reward.
  121. L Julien Pelletier—Skill forward, good hands. Looks tweener, you never know.
  122. D Brett Lernout—Big, tough, intimidating defender.
  123. G Vitek Vanecek—Good numbers, dominant at U-18s.
  124. L Julian Nantel—Two-way forward with average size.
  125. D Adam Ollas Mattsson—Huge defender with a little offense.
  126. G Brandon Halvorson—Tall, thin goalie whose boxcars are okay.
  127. R Karson Kuhlman—Two-way agitating winger with skill.
  128. D Olivier Leblanc—Puck mover with good boxcars, he’s rail thin.
  129. G Kaapo Kahkonen—Big Finn had a good season. Huge.
  130. C Dominic Turgeon—Pierre’s boy. Skilled but not that skilled.
  131. C Steve Spinner—Pure offense, no defense. Fast and skilled.
  132. D Brandon Hickey—Stay at home D with size, long term potential.
  133. G Edwin Minney—Big American goalie headed to Michigan State.
  134. D Josh Wesley—Glenn’s boy, defensive defenseman.
  135. G Jonas Johansson—Huge Swedish goalie.
  136. G Brent Moran—Long shot goalie.
  137. G Blake Weyrick—American goalie on his way to college. I don’t see it.

OILERS 2014 DRAFT (LT PROJECTION)

  • #3 overall -C Leon Draisaitl—This is a fine hockey player. No one should be surprised if he goes No. 3 overall.
  • #33 overall DAVID PERRON (for this pick and Magnum PS)
  • #63 overall BEN SCRIVENS
  • #91 overall G Ilya Sorokin—Not at all famous, but he stops pucks in the Hinterland.
  • #111 overall R Alex Schoenborn—Size and skill.
  • #130 overall D Nelson Nogier—Big, mobile stay at home defender.
  • #137 overall NIKITA NIKITAN
  • #153 overall L Anthony DiFruscia—No one has mentioned him yet.
  • #183 overall R Jaedon Descheneau—Skill out the ass.

It’s going to be a fun weekend, I’d love to see a pick or two acquired by MacTavish during the next 24 hours or so. This is a weird draft, I expect we’ll be scrambling with some of the names that come off the board early.

Remember our conversations earlier, because dammit I’ll be reminding you of it for the next five years: historically, we have every right to expect a Jason Arnott-career from No. 3 overall, and the ENTIRE rest of the Oilers draft (as it sits) should reasonably fetch a career somewhere between Teemu Hartikainen and Zack Stortini. This is the 2008 draft all over again, no use pretending it isn’t.

Having said that, Edmonton will walk away from this draft with a future linchpin up the middle (D or C), part of a dynamic winger in Perron, their starting goalie and a contributing NHL defenseman. For Edmonton, the draft should be considered a success the moment they announce a justifiable name at No. 3 overall.

hall21The Lowdown is back! TSN 1260, 10 this morning. It’s a fluid show (believe me) but we’ll have Corey Pronman (ESPN) and Dustin Nielson (TSN 1260) on the air from the draft, and Bruce McCurdy (Cult of Hockey) and Paul Almeida (Saturday Sports Extra) on from the studio. We’ll also have Steve Lansky to talk about putting on a major television event and funny moments from his past in live television.

And of course, by popular demand, Dennis King. He’ll rip the Oilers to shreds over the Nikitin trade and signing, and I have a feeling Scott Howson is going to pay a price.

dreger boyleI wonder if they would? Probably not, but if you’re going to spend money on defense, there aren’t many targets this summer. I think some of the numbers are going to be shocking.

It’s draft day, ladies and men. I honestly don’t care which of the four they draft tonight, just make a sweet swing based on your best information. If the Oilers draft Leon Draisaitl, I think he probably starts in the NHL next season. Same for Ekblad. The two Sams? Probably another year.

One final thing: If today is goodbye to Sam Gagner, and it could be, I hope he lands in a very good place. He arrived in Edmonton at a time when the organization was selling hope and little else, and played here during the darkest days in franchise history. I wish him well, here or there.

Prediction:

  1. Florida: Ekblad
  2. Buffalo: Reinhart
  3. Edmonton: Draisaitl
  4. Calgary: Bennett
  5. NY Islanders: Ritchie

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  1. Woodguy says:

    Wheeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Christmas Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Free talent for the team I cheer for!!!

    Woot!

  2. barry.moore23 says:

    WG and LT,
    i kinda like the idea of Grabo and Kulemin. has there been any talk of that other than here ? happy draft friday !! B

  3. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Hooray, it’s time once again for the two days I’ve begun to affectionately refer to as “Oilers Playoffs”

  4. soup says:

    I was a seasons ticket holder through the early 90′s. I think those days were far darker than anything we’ve seen recently. Not even close. Watching the steady stream of talent leave the team for bags of magic beans – heart wrenching.

    I like Sam and really feel it is too early to give up on him – even at centre. If it is his last day(s), wish him nothing but the best, and that the team is smart enough to bring back something other than draft picks. With all his warts, he is a real NHL player on a team with precious few.

  5. regwald says:

    Today is the BIG HOPE for Oilers fans. Besides opening night of the season, this day probably has the most hope we have the rest of the year. I like the big German kid. Nuge and Draisaitl would be a nice 1-2 punch.

  6. pboy says:

    I don’t think there’s a chance Samwise is getting traded today. He has very little to zero value as a Center coming off of last years performance and he hasn’t really played any wing since his first season so unless he’s a throw in, he’ll be in our Top 9 to start the year.

    I can’t help but wonder what Philly does today. They are tight to the cap and according to Bob McKenzie, no teams are going to help them out by taking Lecavalier’s contract off of their hands. Could Coburn become an Oiler tonight? He would be a top pairing guy here and it would cross off another item for MacT.

    Things will get really interesting if Ekblad and Draisaitl go #1 and #2. I don’t think that will happen, I can see Ekblad, Reinhart, Draisaitl and Bennett being the order but MacT could get some good offers if it goes wonky. It did last year with Jones falling, so it could certainly happen again.

    MacT can’t leave Philly without significantly upgrading this roster beyond Nikita and whomever they pull at #3. Grabovsky and Kulemin would be ideal.

  7. Bar_Qu says:

    Oh, is that today? I didn’t realise.

    ;-)

  8. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy:
    Wheeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Christmas Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Free talent for the team I cheer for!!!

    Woot!

    Ha, I had the same thought this morning. I imagined LT waking up and running downstairs to his computer, wearing his favourite Houston Aeros pajamas, like a kid on Christmas morning.

  9. thejonrmcleod says:

    A trade is gonna mess up y’alls mock drafts.

    1. Canucks – Reinhart
    2. Sabres – Bennett
    3. Oilers – Ekblad
    4. Flames – Draisaitl
    5. Islanders – Dal Colle
    6. Panthers – Ehlers

    Book it, Danno.

  10. regwald says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    A trade is gonna mess up y’alls mock drafts.

    1. Canucks – Reinhart
    2. Sabres – Bennett
    3. Oilers – Ekblad
    4. Flames – Draisaitl
    5. Islanders – Dal Colle
    6. Panthers – Ehlers

    Book it, Danno.

    No, no, no. I want Bennet or Draisaitl please. Please.

  11. Woodguy says:

    Some high praise for Rom’s draft analysis:


    Rob Vollman ‏@robvollmanNHL 8h
    My favourite analytic take on this year’s entry draft top 10: http://www.theoilersrig.com/2014/06/top-ten-draft-ranking/ … Comprehensive + lots of references, by @RomulusNotNuma

    Rhys J
    ‏@Thats_Offside
    @robvollmanNHL @garrethohl @RomulusNotNuma I love this write-up. Not just because it uses 7 pieces of my work for reference either haha

    Although I’m not a fancystats heavyweight like Rys or Rob, I echo their comments.

    Exception write up.

    Also,

    I’ve been leery of Exblad since the start (In my limited knowledge I see his as Bogosian with a better shot)

    Rom pointing out that Nurse had a better 5v5 pts/gm than Ek and that Ek’s team scored the same share when he was off and on the ice (i.e. he didn’t improve their scoring rates when he was on the ice) leads me to firm up that position.

    Ekblad will probably be an NHLer for a long time.

    I don’t think he’ll be elite, but has a helluva shot.

    Soury-esque type career?

    That’s a good hockey player.

    That’s not a hockey player you use the 3rd overall on.

    Great stuff Rom.

  12. Deadman Waiting says:

    He’ll rip the Oilers to shreds over the Nikitin trade and signing, and I have a feeling Scott Howson is going to pay a price.

    Nobody remembers who finished second. Nobody remembers tactical premiums. Nobody remembers fat offers rejected (this one is understandable, as this information is rarely made available for public consumption).

    How good does NN have to be to represent the best available option, with respect to every factor?

    Partly we’re paying more because we’re not an elite hockey wife destination.

    Partly we’re paying more because we still suck (more losing than winning for a year or two yet).

    Partly we’re paying more for tactical clarity headed into the musical chair demolition derby.

    Partly we’re paying more to have a short, incentive-loaded contract (50% of his time here on a contract year).

    Partly we’re paying more for future flexibility in cap management.

    Partly we’re paying more to replace Smid with a similar player different enough to mesh better into the system Eakins desires to soon adopt.

    A few dollars we’re actually paying for player performance.

    All the “partly”s will be long forgotten on Howson’s judgement day.

    Howson deserves to be fired if NN is a bad fit for the system Eakins wishes to play or if NN’s performance continues to tank.

  13. Woodguy says:

    barry.moore23:
    WG and LT,
    i kinda like the idea of Grabo and Kulemin. has there been any talk of that other than here ? happy draft friday !! B

    Not really.

    I think Burke goes hard after them.

    He needs to add salary to make the cap floor and he’s signed both players before.

  14. Woodguy says:

    regwald: No, no, no. I want Bennet or Draisaitl please. Please.

    Me too.

    I think that if its Bennett vs Ekblad for #3 that taking Ek is a mistake.

    Oilers are deep on D prospects, but man could they use another C.

    Bennett is the #1 rated player by most fancystat guys and I’m on board with that.

  15. Lloyd B. says:

    thejonrmcleod,

    This scenario makes me the most nervous. Having to choose between Ekblad or Draisaitl ? Need both. Glad I don’t have to make that decision. Hopefully one of them is gone so we can pick the other. The other nightmare choice? They are both gone by the time we get to pick. Again, glad I am not making the decision.

  16. supernova says:

    Woodguy: Not really.

    I think Burke goes hard after them.

    He needs to add salary to make the cap floor and he’s signed both players before.

    Woodguy,

    I also think Burke goes hard after The pair.

    Wouldn’t surprise me to see Calgary land Stastny. Lots of cap space, the need for no. 1 Center. As well as rumours for years that the leafs would like him when Burke was there.

  17. Woodguy says:

    #183 overall R Jaedon Descheneau—Skill out the ass.

    1.13pts/gm in his draft year for Kootney and didn’t get drafted because he’s 5’9″

    5th, 6th and 7th rounds all project the same % of NHL players and those picks cost nothing to accumulate.

    I’d collect a few and take every undersized forward over 1pt/gm available.

  18. Woodguy says:

    70% of hockey players drafted into the NHL are 6’1″ and taller

    50% of NHL players are 6’1″ and taller.

    Inefficiency that is lying there to be exploited.

  19. Woodguy says:

    supernova: Woodguy,

    I also think Burke goes hard after The pair.

    Wouldn’t surprise me to see Calgary land Stastny. Lots of cap space, the need for no. 1 Center. As well as rumours for years that the leafs would like him when Burke was there.

    Good, Burke can give him a contract that is too much $$$ for way too long.

    I like Statsny, but I don’t think he’s a $7.5MM player and that’s what he’ll get.

  20. Lowetide says:

    I’m a big fan of Rom’s work and absolutely love the math, but it’s important to remind ourselves of what Ekblad brings.

    Pronman: Ekblad is the top player in the 2014 draft class. He’s a monster on the back end at 6-foot-4, 216 pounds, and plays the game with an edge. Some may point to his size as the reason Ekblad dominates, but he does so much more than just hit and win battles: he skates well with good power in his stride and excellent pivots; he has really developed the offensive side of his game, with above-average puck skills and great coordination for a big man; he sees the ice well, can be creative along the point and join the attack on top of having a high-end shot from deep. Ekblad doesn’t have any outstanding skills in particular, and he can still make an odd mistake, but the total package of what he brings to the table is unique, especially considering he’s a blueliner. He’s a potential star defenseman and may have another level to his game if developed properly.

    Ladies, this isn’t Adam Larsson. I think we’ve taken his PP goal total and envision Sheldon Souray. Pronman’s description suggests way more skill at moving the puck, etc.

    I have Ekblad 4th, but if the Oilers get him I’ll be pleased.

  21. Aitch says:

    I’m gonna have to start listening to your show Lowetide. It’s been awhile since I’ve been subjected to a good Matts-rant.

    On another note, I think it might be a little misleading to cast Nikitin in that 137th slot. After all, this really seems like a delayed deal in retrospect. It’s as if the Oilers did the BJs a favour by allowing them to keep Nikitin as insurance once they picked up Schultz. They may as well have called it future considerations. instead of the 5th, we got Nikitin. So, that draft pick, in a sense, never really belonged to the Oilers. They were just keeping it warm.

  22. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: Good, Burke can give him a contract that is too much $$$ for way too long.

    I like Statsny, but I don’t think he’s a $7.5MM player and that’s what he’ll get.

    Don’t discount the Cammalleri angle either. I think Treliving (and by extension Burke) will entertain the idea of offering him both money and term. It may not be enough, but we’ll see.

    I’d love to see the Flames draft Ekblad and then throw a boatload of money at Stastny, but I have concerns that if Draisaitl is off the table at #3 and Ekblad is still there, the Oilers take him. Also, when Burke was in Toronto and therefore had more money than Gord to spend on players, he balked at Richards’ contract demands as a UFA because he wasn’t willing to offer that much money/term. Can we reasonably expect him to do differently in Calgary, even with cap floor concerns?

    More likely, if the guy he wants at #4 isn’t there he trades down or out to get O’Reilly and signs him to a long-term high cash deal. It’d be a smart move both for the present and the immediate future.

  23. HallDown says:

    I’m Dying for Draisaitl but I’m pretty sure Sabres are going to take the big German C. Oilers should be trying to trade up to #2 not #1. If MacT can get Ekblad all you guys are crazy to not want him to. Remember, he’s a R shot, and our best D prospects are all lefties. R shot D’s with his skill set are Chupacabra’s in the NHL, almost. If Ekblad and Draisaitl are both gone then go with Bennett. We already have a Reinhart and his name is The Nuge. Bennett will be Tikkanen 2.0, scoring goals and PO’ing opponents.

    Either way we get a great young core player. The years of futility may be worth it after all. This team is loaded with talent up front.

  24. jfry says:

    re: iginla from last thread.

    am acquaintances with one of the Flames owners who is very good friends with Iggie. He was saying all last year that if Boston won the cup, it was guaranteed that he signs in Edmonton to finish his career. Since Boston was bounced he has been saying there is zero chance he goes to a team that isn’t a contender. take it for what it’s worth.

  25. Hammers says:

    Tough day ahead waiting , waiting and then a pick or a trade . . Is it possible that #1 goes to the Canucks and #3 to Toronto then #5 to Philly . Have we ever had 3 separate teams trade down at the 1 draft? Has any team ever traded down the same year . For instance #3 to Toronto then #8 to Philly. Nah McT won’t do that but would it ever be bold .

  26. wintoon says:

    My biggest worry is that the Oilers (MacT) may outsmart himself. I very much want the team to walk away from this draft having solved their #1/#2 Centre issue for the next decade. Consider the hole Calgary has been in forever by not having a quality centre to match up with Iginla.

    Also think in terms of the Oiler dynasty years where Sather had Gretzky and Messier to strike terror into the hearts of their opponents. By adding Bennett, Reinhart or Draisaitl the Oilers will have 2 legitimate threats at Centre and create match up problems for whomever they are playing against. When you then consider having wingers the calibre of Hall, Eberle, Yakupov and Perron the Oiler advantage is magnified.

    While Ekblad is going to be a very good NHL D man for a long time, there is no guarantee that he will be elite.

    So it is my hope that MacT stays with the #3 pick and drafts one of the very good centres available.

  27. Jordan says:

    Quite excited to see how this draft plays out. It’s clear to me that while we all have opinions about how the prospects rank comparatively right now, prognosticating on who will do what in their next 7-9 years on their drafting team is fun but a little silly. I hope that:
    – The Oilers draft a player they like and fits an organizational need
    – The Flames do something stupid
    – There are trades and a few twists that make this an interesting draft
    – If the Oilers trade or trade for any players, they get at least 100 cents for each dollar spent
    – The Oilers do not trade their 2015 1st

    For those of you losing your minds over what could happen, regardless of what they do, I hope you have a great day and appreciate this is an amazing for the young men selected – no mater who goes where.
    EDIT – Those hopes extend to those of you maintaining your sanity as well. =)

  28. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    Hammers:
    Tough day ahead waiting , waiting and then a pick or a trade . . Is it possible that #1 goes to the Canucks and #3 to Toronto then #5 to Philly . Have we ever had 3 separate teams trade down at the 1 draft? Has any team ever traded down the same year . For instance #3 to Toronto then #8 to Philly. Nah McT won’t do that but would it ever be bold .

    The Sedin sequence:

    Chicago gives up 4th to Vancouver (for McCabe + 2000 first-round)
    Tampa Bay gives up 1st to Vancouver (for 4th + two third round)
    Vancouver gives up 1st to Atlanta (for 2nd + conditional 2000 third-rounder)

    Net: Gave Vancouver the 2nd to use with their 3rd.

    If there are 4 (or more) flips during the first 4 picks Burke will be in there somewhere.

  29. nycoil says:

    Rom, congrats on the accolades. Read that draft ranking now and agree it is terrific. All the links are with context for dim bulbs like me, too. ;)

    All we can do now is wait! Analyzed this day to death already!

  30. PDO says:

    After 2002-2003, the Oiler’s had Todd Marchant, Mike York and Mike Comrie on the roster.

    The Oiler’s were sitting at 17th. Zach Parise (5’10″) was on the board.

    The Oiler’s traded down because they didn’t need another small center.

    They took the much bigger Marc-Antoine Pouliot (6’2″) a few picks later.

    Marchant, York and Comrie were all gone from the team before Parise ever played an NHL game.

    Hopefully we’re not about to make the same mistake tonight.

  31. Caramel Obvious says:

    I agree with everything Woodguy has said in this thread. Especially:

    1) Anybody but Ekblad at #3. It’s the only way to really go wrong.
    2) Small forwards are undervalued in the draft. This is a statistical fact.

    That said, if you aren’t going to use Toni Rajala when he turns out to be better than expected, it probably doesn’t matter that you drafted him in the first place.

  32. bsmart says:

    I have an opinion like everyone else here of who the Oilers should take. I personally like Draisatl, Bennett, Reinhart, the Ekblad. Saying that I will cheer like hell for any of the Fab Four.

  33. nycoil says:

    I hope Florida keeps the pick and takes Ekblad. After that doesn’t matter.

  34. russ99 says:

    HallDown,

    That’s my concern as well.

    I hope Draisaitl is there for us at 3, but I’m not keen on MacT moving assets to move up a spot or two, not really worth it.

    But since this should be the last time in a while the Oilers draft so high (yes, I said that last year too) we should pick the most projectable player available, and not worry about today’s needs, chasing some archetype or someone who fits the current coach/GM’s philosophy.

    Since you can be sure when these kids can really impact the big league roster, our needs and possibly who sits in those positions will be different.

    I’m really hoping the Sabres bite on the Bennett hype.

  35. LMHF#1 says:

    PDO:
    After 2002-2003, the Oiler’s had Todd Marchant, Mike York and Mike Comrie on the roster.

    The Oiler’s were sitting at 17th. Zach Parise (5’10″) was on the board.

    The Oiler’s traded down because they didn’t need another small center.

    They took the much bigger Marc-Antoine Pouliot (6’2″) a few picks later.

    Marchant, York and Comrie were all gone from the team before Parise ever played an NHL game.

    Hopefully we’re not about to make the same mistake tonight.

    But draft picks all go straight into the NHL! DERP DERP DERP!

    Also – Ryan Getzlaf.

    Thinking back to that time brings a lot of pain to the brain…hard to believe it got so much better…then SO MUCH WORSE.

  36. supernova says:

    RexLibris: Don’t discount the Cammalleri angle either. I think Treliving (and by extension Burke) will entertain the idea of offering him both money and term. It may not be enough, but we’ll see.

    I’d love to see the Flames draft Ekblad and then throw a boatload of money at Stastny, but I have concerns that if Draisaitl is off the table at #3 and Ekblad is still there, the Oilers take him. Also, when Burke was in Toronto and therefore had more money than Gord to spend on players, he balked at Richards’ contract demands as a UFA because he wasn’t willing to offer that much money/term. Can we reasonably expect him to do differently in Calgary, even with cap floor concerns?

    More likely, if the guy he wants at #4 isn’t there he trades down or out to get O’Reilly and signs him to a long-term high cash deal. It’d be a smart move both for the present and the immediate future.

    Can seriously see a 37.5 million over 5 year deal offered to Stastny from Calgary.

    Then a strong offer to Camalleri.
    Burke won’t want to take 5 years to rebuild. Stastny will help the development of their young C.
    Having Cap space and a strong desire ( also to rebuild then Old buddy Kevin Lowe).

  37. thejonrmcleod says:

    PDO:
    After 2002-2003, the Oiler’s had Todd Marchant, Mike York and Mike Comrie on the roster.

    The Oiler’s were sitting at 17th. Zach Parise (5’10″) was on the board.

    The Oiler’s traded down because they didn’t need another small center.

    They took the much bigger Marc-Antoine Pouliot (6’2″) a few picks later.

    Marchant, York and Comrie were all gone from the team before Parise ever played an NHL game.

    Hopefully we’re not about to make the same mistake tonight.

    Perhaps we should just say that Pouliot was a bad pick. If the Oilers had looked for size and picked Getzlaf instead of Pouliot, nobody would be complaining today.

  38. spoiler says:

    12 minutes ago
    @DarrenDreger: Doesn’t sound like either Buffalo or Edmonton are interested in moving the 2nd or 3rd pick overall.

  39. spoiler says:

    spoiler: 12 minutes ago@DarrenDreger: Doesn’t sound like either Buffalo or Edmonton are interested in moving the 2nd or 3rd pick overall.

    That’s just good negotiating, right? Right?

  40. longway says:

    lowetide, you were described the other day on oilersnation as “the most saccaharin of all” sports talking heads. I thought it was a new word for humility, balance, wisdom and experience. upon further reflection I realize he might have just been trying to say sweet in a fancy way…

  41. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: I’m a big fan of Rom’s work and absolutely love the math, but it’s important to remind ourselves of what Ekblad brings. Pronman: Ekblad is the top player in the 2014 draft class. He’s a monster on the back end at 6-foot-4, 216 pounds, and plays the game with an edge. Some may point to his size as the reason Ekblad dominates, but he does so much more than just hit and win battles: he skates well with good power in his stride and excellent pivots; he has really developed the offensive side of his game, with above-average puck skills and great coordination for a big man; he sees the ice well, can be creative along the point and join the attack on top of having a high-end shot from deep. Ekblad doesn’t have any outstanding skills in particular, and he can still make an odd mistake, but the total package of what he brings to the table is unique, especially considering he’s a blueliner. He’s a potential star defenseman and may have another level to his game if developed properly.–Ladies, this isn’t Adam Larsson. I think we’ve taken his PP goal total and envision Sheldon Souray. Pronman’s description suggests way more skill at moving the puck, etc. I have Ekblad 4th, but if the Oilers get him I’ll be pleased.

    Agreed. Ekblad has one of the lowest bust sides we’ve seen recently in top 10 ranked defensemen. Murray and Brodin were similar in that regard–low bust potential—but they don’t have the wide range of skills that Ekblad has. He’s the goods.

  42. justDOit says:

    Might be old news, but Tallon says he’s had a few good offers for the first pick, and one is ‘above and beyond’ what they thought they’d get for it. He didn’t say it was a ‘bold’ offer. We wait.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl-draft/offer-for-panthers-pick-goes-above-and-beyond/

  43. Wolfie says:

    With the Coyotes shopping Yandle around is there any appetite to swing a deal involving Schultz?

    I guess Yandle is what you’re hoping Schultz becomes. Is it worth giving up the potential that Schultz may have a slightly higher ceiling for a guy who has 2 years left on his deal?

  44. misfit says:

    I’ve long felt that Reinhart was the jewel of this draft and still have him as the #1 pick if I was in charge of the team with that selection.

    Draisaitl fits the Oilers’ needs perfectly and is worthy of our pick by the numbers alone (or at least consideration).

    I’ve been hot and cold on Ekblad for a while, and I think our needs at C trump the need at RD, but I’d be thrilled if he fell to #3 and we could add him to the pool.

    Bennett probably ends up the best player in the draft, but he’s the player I’m least familiar with and a lot of the hype seems too Gilmour-centric for me to trust. If Gilmour wasn’t such a beloved player in Leaf land, there wouldn’t be nearly as much press on him. That doesn’t mean he’d be any less a consideration for 1st overall, just the TSN coverage would be a lot less. I have him as the one of the 4 I’d be least excited to end up with, but that’s almost entirely because I’ve never seen him play so he’s a mystery to me.

  45. slopitch says:

    Crazy year. “I like Bennett best but think he’ll go 4th”.

    Glad to here they aren’t moving the pick. Last chance to land elite asset via the draft for a decade. Right… Right!?!

  46. Rondo says:

    I wonder why Corey Pronman is so high on Ekblad given his 5 on 5 numbers?

  47. Hammers says:

    slopitch:
    Crazy year. “I like Bennett best but think he’ll go 4th”.

    Glad to here they aren’t moving the pick. Last chance to land elite asset via the draft for a decade. Right… Right!?!

    We hope your right . Only problem maybe the old offer you can’t refuse .

  48. fuzzy muppet says:

    Woodguy:
    Wheeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Christmas Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Free talent for the team I cheer for!!!

    Woot!

    Let’s be clear. This talent isn’t free. It was well earned from years and years of suckitude.

    It’s sad that mid-summer is the high point of our Oilers season.

    So sad

  49. spoiler says:

    I am expecting some “MacTivity” today!

  50. spoiler says:

    Rondo: I wonder why Corey Pronman is so high on Ekblad given his 5 on 5 numbers?

    Maybe because he’s not a forward?

  51. Jordan says:

    Woah, Woah, Woah…

    What if the Oilers converted Ekblad to centre?

    #mindblown #causeoilers

  52. spoiler says:

    @Real_ESPNLeBrun: Teams eagerly awaiting cap number. Said one GM: “There is going to be some major scrambling if the number if lower than thought.”

    It’s ridiculous that they delay the cap number this late. Should have it out a week before the draft, minimum.

  53. admiralmark says:

    Lowetide,

    If Calgary wasn’t drafting 1 pick after Oilers I wonder how much of the anti Ekblad sentiment would be around? There’s a fear of passing on Bennet in favour of Ekblad. And I too give a slight edge to taking a Center but Ekblad is not a consolation prize. And no matter what happens Calgary is gonna have a hell of a player available that the Oilers passed on.

  54. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    justDOit:
    Might be old news, but Tallon says he’s had a few good offers for the first pick, and one is ‘above and beyond’ what they thought they’d get for it. He didn’t say it was a ‘bold’ offer. We wait.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl-draft/offer-for-panthers-pick-goes-above-and-beyond/

    Just a guess. But a sweet deal might involve 2 teams moving up and Florida dropping to the lower spot.

  55. russ99 says:

    Wolfie,

    Since we seem to be kicking the date on when we’re competitive further and further down the road, I’d pass on Yandle. He’d be declining when the team is back on the upswing, around when the new arena opens. ;)

    As for the cap number, Bettman said a few days ago it was going even higher due to record revenues. I’m following Capgeek’s lead on this – it will likely be somewhere around $71M.

  56. Kitchener says:

    admiralmark,

    The question in 4/5 years should be: (Nurse + #3) vs (Monahan + #4)

    I expect Nurse to be a total killer by then, so we’re in good shape heading into today’s 3/4 selections.

  57. Ca$h-Money! says:

    slopitch:
    Crazy year. “I like Bennett best but think he’ll go 4th”.

    Glad to here they aren’t moving the pick. Last chance to land elite asset via the draft for a decade. Right… Right!?!

    Nope. That was the sentiment in 2011 after picking Nuge. Reality today is that it’s up to the Oilers to prove to us (by way of actual results) that they aren’t a basement dweller. Until I see otherwise I pencil them in for a top 5 pick.

    Don’t get me wrong, I want them to win, and I believe MacT has done a reasonably good job of moving forward, but at the same time that’s a heck of a hill to climb. As far as I’m concerned we’ve got a decent shot at a lottery pick next year.

  58. kooler says:

    Prediction:
    1.Florida: Ekblad
    2.Buffalo: Reinhart
    3.Edmonton: Draisaitl
    4.Calgary: Bennett
    5.NY Islanders: Ritchie

    LT, So Calgary could actually pick up your #1….lets see what happens.

  59. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    I’m a big fan of Rom’s work and absolutely love the math, but it’s important to remind ourselves of what Ekblad brings.

    Pronman: Ekblad is the top player in the 2014 draft class. He’s a monster on the back end at 6-foot-4, 216 pounds, and plays the game with an edge. Some may point to his size as the reason Ekblad dominates, but he does so much more than just hit and win battles: he skates well with good power in his stride and excellent pivots; he has really developed the offensive side of his game, with above-average puck skills and great coordination for a big man; he sees the ice well, can be creative along the point and join the attack on top of having a high-end shot from deep. Ekblad doesn’t have any outstanding skills in particular, and he can still make an odd mistake, but the total package of what he brings to the table is unique, especially considering he’s a blueliner. He’s a potential star defenseman and may have another level to his game if developed properly.

    Ladies, this isn’t Adam Larsson. I think we’ve taken his PP goal total and envision Sheldon Souray. Pronman’s description suggests way more skill at moving the puck, etc.

    I have Ekblad 4th, but if the Oilers get him I’ll be pleased.

    I won’t be upset if Ekblad is an Oiler. He seems like a fine player.

    I’ll be upset that they didn’t grab a C.

    Its like treating a small cut on your arm when your femoral artery is gushing.

  60. Woodguy says:

    spoiler:
    @Real_ESPNLeBrun: Teams eagerly awaiting cap number. Said one GM: “There is going to be some major scrambling if the number if lower than thought.”

    It’s ridiculous that they delay the cap number this late.Should have it out a week before the draft, minimum.

    Agreed.

    If they don’t know the cap number today there won’t be many trades due to the uncertainty.

  61. Henry says:

    MacT laid out the six possibilities available to the Oilers if they don’t want to trade up or down prior to the initial picks. It seemed clear that he was assuming that the first two picks were going to come from the consensus top four. It also seemed clear that he wants to draft a ‘big center’ to compete in the Pacific Division. With that in mind I charted the possibilities with who I think the Oilers will pick given what is left. The first two picks can obviously go in any order particularly if Philly/Vancouver/Toronto/whovever trades for Florida’s 1st. The last is a prediction of who Burke will get to torture us with for the next ten years if he lasts that long. A top Reinhart in Calgary scares me.

    Scenario Florida(Philly)/Buffalo Edmonton Calgary

    1 Eckblad Reinhart Draisatl Bennett/Richie
    2 Eckblad Bennett Draisatl Reinhart
    3 Eckblad Draisatl Bennett/Trade Reinhart
    4 Reinhart Bennett Eckblad Richie
    5 Reinhart Draisatl Eckblad Bennett/Richie
    6 Bennett Draisatl Eckblad Reinhart

    Edit: Sorry the spacing I typed in didn’t transmit, but I’m sure you get it. Hope this works

  62. Ice Sage says:

    Larssen, Seth Jones, drafted 4th after much hype about being the #1 prospect.
    Ekblad in a similar role?

    Fun times.

  63. nycoil says:

    Did anyone hear on TSN Radio that it sounds like Eric Staal is headed to Nashville?

  64. spoiler says:

    russ99: As for the cap number, Bettman said a few days ago it was going even higher due to record revenues. I’m following Capgeek’s lead on this – it will likely be somewhere around $71M.

    I am hoping for a low number, just because of the grief it will give the capstrung teams.. But I think you’re right, it will be at the high end of the range. Unfortunately it’s those same teams that wave the big stick in Bettman’s office.

  65. Ryan says:

    nycoil:
    Did anyone hear on TSN Radio that it sounds like Eric Staal is headed to Nashville?

    No, but there have been rumors for ages that the canes were looking to trim salary.

  66. Rondo says:

    Woodguy,

    What happens if tOilers take Ekblad at #3 ( Hope Philly would make an offer of you know who) and

    Draisatl is available at # 5 . What do you do?

  67. spoiler says:

    From TSN:

    Jason Garrison could be another Vancouver Canuck on the move. TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie reported Friday that there’s a “legit chance” the Canucks deal the blueliner. McKenzie adds that potential suitors for the offensive defenceman include the Montreal Canadiens and Tampa Bay Lightning.

    Farhan also tweeting Garrison to Tampa and Kesler to Anaheim likely to happen today.

  68. boopronger says:

    Oilers have lots of d prospects blah blah blah. Still want eckblad. I don’t trust the oilers to handle the prospects they have properly. Defensemen are so dam important they should still load up on more of them. Especially since none of the forwards stand out. Go eckblad

  69. spoiler says:

    spoiler: From TSN:
    Jason Garrison could be another Vancouver Canuck on the move. TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie reported Friday that there’s a “legit chance” the Canucks deal the blueliner. McKenzie adds that potential suitors for the offensive defenceman include the Montreal Canadiens and Tampa Bay Lightning.
    Farhan also tweeting Garrison to Tampa and Kesler to Anaheim likely to happen today.

    If this is true, would that mean there’s little chance of the Cansucks dealing for the 1st overall?

  70. denny33 says:

    Lowetide,

    Ladies, this isn’t Adam Larsson. I think we’ve taken his PP goal total and envision Sheldon Souray. Pronman’s description suggests way more skill at moving the puck, etc.
    I have Ekblad 4th, but if the Oilers get him I’ll be pleased
    *********************************************************************
    This times 1, 000…

    Personally, if he is still there – I would take Bennett. But we will be fine taking any of the top 4
    prospects.

    Ekblad ( along with Nurse ) would end the perpetual and never ending Western Conference cycle that goes on in our own end…..Or at the very least keep San Jose from directing a 100 shots on net in one game.

    Besides Klefbom and Nurse – I don’t share the esteemed Oiler management view ( and quite a few people in here ) on their other D prospects in the system.

    .

  71. spoiler says:

    Jim Matheson
    ‏@NHLbyMatty ·22h Draisaitl is up to. 213 lbs now and mactavish says kid’s hips come up to his chest so centre still growing.#oilers

  72. Jon K says:

    spoiler:
    Jim Matheson‏@NHLbyMatty ·22hDraisaitl is up to. 213 lbs now and mactavish says kid’s hips come up to his chest so centre still growing.#oilers

    Unless Matty releasing this information is part of a plan by MacT, I see no reason why he should be sharing with him anymore. Thanks for sharing scouting information that teams typically protect very closely. What the hell.

  73. Caramel Obvious says:

    Jon K: Unless Matty releasing this information is part of a plan by MacT, I see no reason why he should be sharing with him anymore. Thanks for sharing scouting information that teams typically protect very closely. What the hell.

    On what planet is this scouting information?

    I can just see the report:

    Height: hips come to my shoulder.

  74. spoiler says:

    Anyone with access to her closeted account heard from Bra and Panties this week? Draft is usually one of her best opportunities to reveal all.

  75. stevezie says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    I agree, but even if they make the obvious mistake and take the big D I won’t get too upset. This really is unscrewupable.

    I think MacT’s love of Nurse and Klefbom is going to prevent Ekblad.

  76. bsmart says:

    Jon K: Unless Matty releasing this information is part of a plan by MacT, I see no reason why he should be sharing with him anymore. Thanks for sharing scouting information that teams typically protect very closely. What the hell.

    I would agree to keep your cards close to the chest when discussing players you want. I t also gives leverage when teams think you might take the player they want. If they know you want Draisatl and they want bennett, they won’t make you an offer. Keep you options open. law of numbers, the more offers, the more chance of a good offer. IMHO

  77. nycoil says:

    Renaud Lavoie ‏@renlavoietva 1m
    Right now the cap for next season will be at $68M and that’s causing problems. But wait ! NHL and NHLPA are still talking. Final # to come.

    That would be an unexpected twist. Good news for Edmonton, Calgary, Florida, etc., bad news for the big boys. Can we have a mulligan on the Nikitin deal though? Yeesh.

  78. Melman says:

    Perhaps because I’ve been an Oiler fan since dirt was invented I can’t help but feel like Ekblad and Draisaitl will go in the top 2, and we’ll take Bennett who will turn into a 2C and Reinhart kicks it in Cowtown for the next 10 years. I feel queasy…

  79. denny33 says:

    Ekbad at the combine: ( Feb 96 birthdate )

    Excerpt from Gare Joyce – Sportsnet

    Aaron Ekblad: Three years ago the OHL designated the Barrie defenceman an “exceptional player” thus allowing him to enter the league at 15. The tests at the combine validate the designation and the prevailing notion that he is the draft-eligible player most prepared to step into the NHL at 18. His peak-power numbers on the bike (1,383 watts) were the second highest among the more than 100 players tested, barely edged by Niagara defenceman Blake Siebenaler (1,393), and way beyond the average performance at this year’s combine: 1,150.

    I’m not an exercise physiologist (though I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night…), but I am told by strength and conditioning coaches that an above-average NHLer who toils diligently in the gym for years can work his way up to the 1,600–1,700 range. These two are just about there already.

    It’s reasonable to project that Ekblad’s explosive leg power would carry over into both a quick first step and strength on the puck. His bench (13 reps, or 9.9 as a factor of bodyweight) was again above the average (7.7 and 5, respectively). Making the bench number even more impressive are Ekblad’s sleeves: His 79-inch wingspan was only an inch less than the longest at the combine,

  80. spoiler says:

    bsmart: I would agree to keep your cards close to the chest when discussing players you want. I t also gives leverage when teams think you might take the player they want. If they know you want Draisatl and they want bennett, they won’t make you an offer. Keep you options open. law of numbers, the more offers, the more chance of a good offer. IMHO

    I think you can bluff either the straight or the flush even with an Ace flopped, the way the front of this draft is set up.

  81. spoiler says:

    nycoil: Right now the cap for next season will be at $68M and that’s causing problems. But wait ! NHL and NHLPA are still talking. Final # to come.

    Oooh… don;t get me all excited like that, lol!

  82. denny33 says:

    Kesler to Ducks…

  83. striatic says:

    denny33,

    For Bonino and Sbiza.

    Not a bad return for Vancouver to be honest.

    I was hoping they’d get truly fleeced.

  84. nycoil says:

    Think Anaheim did well there. Didn’t give up the 10th overall or Etem or Vatanen like a lot of people were saying was necessary.

    Vancouver move a precursor to a push to try to move up to 1? Are all those pieces staying in Van or is Sbisa the young D to send to Florida with Shinkaruk and #6?

    Edit- PS, I like Bonino but Anaheim seems to be in “win now” mode

  85. Henry says:

    Vancouver made a terrific trade. Shit.

  86. nycoil says:

    Henry,

    Bonino may already be better than Kesler at this time.

  87. Ice Sage says:

    U guys kill me. Anaheim got by far the best player here and can now match LAK down the middle.
    Dys have too many D now – what’s the next shoe to drop?

  88. wheatnoil says:

    I think Anaheim got fleeced. Two years of Kesler and they gave up Bonino and Sbisa AND a 1st? I don’t know Bonino well, but at a quick glance he outscored Kesler (49 points to 43) despite getting 5 less minutes of ice time per game and he’s 3 years younger. That said, his PDO was high (in no small part from a shooting percentage of 13%) and Kesler got tougher minutes.

    Still, good trade for Vancouver.

  89. striatic says:

    nycoil,

    *may* be better.

    but the fact that’s even an argument shows that Vancouver did well in a bad situation.

    it’s quite possible they won this trade, despite being in a terrible bargaining position.

  90. Jon K says:

    Caramel Obvious: On what planet is this scouting information?

    I can just see the report:

    Height:hips come to my shoulder.

    Perhaps you should read the entirety of the tweet. MacT is stating a projection based upon physical information. Scouting is about projection.

    Beyond that, information that MacT is enamoured with Draisaitl is something that could end up hurting the Oilers’ interests.

    This is all obvious upon a plain reading of the tweet or my post.

  91. nycoil says:

    Ice Sage,

    When healthy and motivated, I agree. But we haven’t seen that Kesler the past two years. If he rebounds, great. Otherwise, Nucks did pretty well dealing from a position of weakness.

  92. nycoil says:

    striatic,

    Yes, agree. If Kesler produces it’s a win-win for both teams.

  93. kooler says:

    Funny if Anahiem traded up to #1 with Kessler and picks.

  94. misfit says:

    Love that trade for the Ducks, and I like Bonino. Sbisa showing that simply being drafted in the first round can give GMs reason to think you might be something long after you’ve proven otherwise.

  95. thejonrmcleod says:

    Judging by what Stauffer is saying, it seems that the Oilers would only take Ekblad if Reinhart and Draisaitl are already taken.

  96. russ99 says:

    IMO, a higher cap is good news for the Oil, as they can sign a few overpriced FAs for the next two years with all that cap room and still not be hamstrung.

    Besides, I can see the NHLPA being a bit grumpy when after the Rogers TV deal and the higher than expected revenues then the owners/commish want to keep it lower…

    Bettman was quoted as expecting a cap of $69-70M in his presser this week. I’ll take the higher number.

  97. nycoil says:

    I think the biggest news of the day is definitely this $68M number. That’s huge. Great news for Edmonton, Isles, Flames, Panthers. Horrible news for NYR, Chicago, Boston, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Philly, etc.

    Now the key is not to waste the cap space on any more Nikitins. Hold out for a forced trade from the list of “haves.” Seriously wish we could take back that Nikitin deal right now.

  98. kooler says:

    Canucks also pick up 24th in 2014 as well.

    http://www.tsn.ca/tradecentre/story/?id=455848

  99. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Can you grow an inch at 18?

    Stauffer just said something like Draisaitl grew to 6’2″ over the last year.

    … I love the kid… but, I get the sense Stauffer is giving us the old pat in the pants here.

  100. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Thanks to WG and LT and everyone else here. It’s great to hear positive feedback from all the people I chat with everyday!

    I won’t dwell on Ekblad too much. I like him just fine. 9th is still pretty high, really. And, I agree with Spoiler that his bust potential is pretty low. That said, I think his bust potential as a top pairing is open to a lot of interpretation and piss-in-the-wind guesswork.

    I also just like the upside of the Fs more. they pushed Ek down as much as Ek fell.

  101. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Can you grow an inch at 18?

    Stauffer just said something like Draisaitl grew to 6’2″ over the last year.

    … I love the kid… but, I get the sense Stauffer is giving us the old pat in the pants here.

    I believe so, yes.

  102. gogliano says:

    Kesler return is a reminder of a what a 1B center or elite 2nd line center is worth in this league.

    I like Ekblad fine but we’re in the fortunate position of having 3 bona fide centers up for grabs.

  103. bsmart says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Can you grow an inch at 18?Stauffer just said something like Draisaitl grew to 6’2″ over the last year.… I love the kid… but, I get the sense Stauffer is giving us the old pat in the pants here.

    now that’s funny,lmfao

  104. nycoil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Don’t know if you saw my earlier post, but loved your draft article.

  105. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: I believe so, yes.

    I can’t recall when it all stopped.

    But… I look forward to my future of slowly regressing into myself.

  106. Obiwan Eberle says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I believe Scotty Pippen grew six inches in college…

  107. RexLibris says:

    Coyotes considering buying out Ribeiro? http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=455852

    You know who would make a good center for a team looking for talent? Sam Gagner!

  108. RexLibris says:

    So Kesler, Perry and Getzlaf together on the same team.

    Hey, why not add Cooke, Dorsett and Perron and they could challenge for one of the most hated NHL squads in league history.

  109. wintoon says:

    With the Canucks having dealt Kesler who is their #2C now? Filling that void will be tough. Do they swing for the fences with big names like Spezza, Bolland, Stastny, Vinny or do they go tier 2 with guys like Grabovski, Gagner etc.? Is there an opportunity for MacT here?

  110. Lois Lowe says:

    That Gerrison trade is ugly.

  111. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Obiwan Eberle:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I believe Scotty Pippen grew six inches in college…

    really? wow!

    ok. fair enough.

    Remember when everyone loved the Bulls. I didn’t even follow basketball in the late 80s early 90s and had all manner of Bulls shit.

    ———-

    nycoil:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Don’t know if you saw my earlier post, but loved your draft article.

    Saw it! thanks!

    and, seriously. any writing/clarity tips are very welcome

  112. RexLibris says:

    Garrison to Tampa. Interesting. Benning is really taking Gillis’ team apart then. For a 2nd rounder, too.

    Hmm, so how’d that Garrison/J.Schultz comparison work out for the Canucks?

  113. nelson88 says:

    The Canucks did well given the very limited amount of teams Kessler would move to. No question he is the best player in the deal but there are also a lot of miles on that engine. Could be a win/win for both or a very nice deal for the Canucks.

    They didn’t get much for Garrison but they wanted/needed to clear some cap space on the back end. I expect the return was influenced by the fact Garrison is a lower mainland boy who very publicly took a “hometown” discount and is now being asked to waive his NTC. Had to find a soft landing spot.

  114. kooler says:

    Even though i live in Vancouver….just not a Canuck fan.

    Vancouver a total of nine selections in the 2014 Draft: 6, 24, 36, 50, 66, 85, 126, 156 and 186 after this mornign trades.

    How many picks do we have?

  115. Kitchener says:

    This season’s “talk to UFAs” window may be behind Vancouver’s fire sale. For example, if they know that Stastny is available at $x,000,000 and land him, they’re already halfway to rebuilding their team this week.

    I’m no Canucks fan, but today’s moves are outstanding for B.C. spectators. The other shoe still has to drop (whatever they’re clearing salary for), but kudos to the club for flushing the toilet on the 2010 formula while potentially staying competitive throughout.

  116. Eastern Oil says:

    spoiler,

    Spoiler, good point re: the salary cap not being confirmed before the draft night. I thought exactly the same when I heard this on the radio today. I am sure there is a lot of give and take in this negotiation, but the draft (along with the trade deadline, and perhaps the opening of Free Agency) is one of the biggest days for player movements.

    You would think that the salary cap would be decided in case teams discovered they had to move salary, and would potentially be able to do it for immediate gratification (pick at the draft). I guess there is always next years draft but still.

  117. frjohnk says:

    wintoon:
    With the Canucks having dealt Kesler who is their #2C now? Filling that void will be tough. Do they swing for the fences with big names like Spezza, Bolland, Stastny, Vinny or do they go tier 2 with guys like Grabovski, Gagner etc.? Is there an opportunity for MacT here?

    Nick Bonino played 2nd line center for the Ducks. 1194 face offs last year. 48% win rate.

  118. nelson88 says:

    Kitchener: I’m no Canucks fan, but today’s moves are outstanding for B.C. spectators. The other shoe still has to drop (whatever they’re clearing salary for), but kudos to the club for flushing the toilet on the 2010 formula while potentially staying competitive throughout.

    I lived in Vancouver for 5 years and detested the canucks more than any other team in the NHL but have to give them props on the work so far. With Kessler, Torts and Gillis gone Burrows and Kassian are about the only guys left on that team worth hating.

  119. thejonrmcleod says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Dennis Rodman was 5’6″ in high school. Then at the age of 19, he went from 5’9″ to 6’8″.

  120. kooler says:

    Kesler ($5 million cap hit)
    Garrison ($4.6 million cap hit)

    Bonino ($1.9 million)
    Sbisa ($2.174 million)

  121. RexLibris says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Dennis Rodman was 5’6″ in high school. Then at the age of 49, he went from 6’8″ to clinically insane.

    Fixed.

  122. Woodguy says:

    kooler:
    Even though i live in Vancouver….just not a Canuck fan.

    Vancouver a total of nine selections in the 2014 Draft: 6, 24, 36, 50, 66, 85, 126, 156 and 186 after this mornign trades.

    How many picks do we have?

    Picks.

    The manna that never quite fills the belly of fans of teams that are rebuilding.

  123. RexLibris says:

    @strombone1: Disney World > Disneyland Cc: @Ryan_Kesler

  124. oilersfan says:

    I am not sure if others here are listening to Stauffer right now, but putting the tea leaves together I am pretty sure he is hinting that the Oilers will trade a late round draft pick to Anaheim for Bryan Allen.

    Thoughts on him? $3.5 million for one more year, played 50% own zone starts with an even rel corsi around 49%. 33 year old former fourth overall pick. 19 minutes a night, pk specialist. a bit tough. would be a lot better than Engelland as he is a bit tough but man that is a lot of money when you add it to Nikitan and Ferrance for veteran #5 dmen.

  125. skidplate says:

    RexLibris:
    @strombone1: Disney World > Disneyland Cc: @Ryan_Kesler

    Priceless

  126. Eastern Oil says:

    Jason Gregor ‏@JasonGregor · 24m
    Now the question is will the Oilers qualify Fedun? You’d think they would.

    Sorry to hijack the thread on Oiler XMas, but I have been following this story a bit today too.

    Eric Rodgers (who is a good Twitter follow as well for OKC news) has a story up at http://www.tendthefarm.com that is worth a read. I would really like to see Fedun back as a Baron and potentially a callup when the injuries hit.

  127. Derek says:

    Vancouver just traded Ryan Kesler for a 26 year old center with negative possession numbers playing sheltered minutes (third line opposition) the most sheltered dman on the Ducks roster outside of a rookie and a 24th overall pick.

    If you think Bonino is a good return for Kesler look again. His high PDO and playing on the 1st PP with Perry and Getzlaf in front of the net inflated his point totals this year. For my money, Bonino is only a slightly better player than Santorelli who they’re not even qualifying.

    They followed that up by trading an actual NHL defense man for a 2nd rounder.

    I can only hope Vancouver is clearing cap space to sign Ryan Miller and Dave Bolland. Manna from heaven.

  128. spoiler says:

    Derek: I can only hope Vancouver is clearing cap space to sign Ryan Miller and Dave Bolland. Manna from heaven.

    I would say one of those is nearly certain, and the other very probable.

  129. kooler says:

    Woodguy,

    Picky eaters.

  130. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Dennis Rodman was 5’6″ in high school. Then at the age of 19, he went from 5’9″ to 6’8″.

    good gord. can’t be healthy to grow that much in such a short span.

  131. Derek says:

    spoiler: I would say one of those is nearly certain, and the other highly probable.

    I’ll have a case of beer. Then I’ll have another :)

  132. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: good gord. can’t be healthy to grow that much in such a short span.

    He didn’t grow. His school just switched from Imperial to Metric over the summer.

  133. gvblackhawk says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: good gord. can’t be healthy to grow that much in such a short span.

    My wife tells me that all the time…

  134. Kitchener says:

    Given that Buffalo already has a big center prospect (Grigorenko – 6’3″ 209), I’d be surprised if they pass up a contrasting “skill” or “will” center in Sam/Sam.

    If teams want big & good as their top two centers:
    – Edmonton: Draisatl, RNH
    – Buffalo: Grigorenko, Sam/Sam
    – Calgary: Monahan, Sam/Sam

    Assuming Florida takes Ekblad (their C future is set with Bjug, Hub & Bark) and Buffalo takes Sam1, that’ll leave Edmonton with a choice between Sam2 and Draisatl. So, here’s my board:

    1. Florida: Ekblad
    2. Buffalo: Sam1 (likely Reinhardt)
    3. Edmonton: Draisatl
    4. Calgary: Sam2 (likely Bennett)
    5. NYI: who the hell cares?
    6. Vancouver: a big winger or smaller C

  135. Woodguy says:

    Derek:
    Vancouver just traded Ryan Kesler for a 26 year old center with negative possession numbers playing sheltered minutes (third line opposition) the most sheltered dman on the Ducks roster outside of a rookie and a 24th overall pick.

    If you think Bonino is a good return for Kesler look again.His high PDO and playing on the 1st PP with Perry and Getzlaf in front of the net inflated his point totals this year.For my money, Bonino is only a slightly better player than Santorelli who they’re not even qualifying.

    They followed that up by trading an actual NHL defense man for a 2nd rounder.

    I can only hope Vancouver is clearing cap space to sign Ryan Miller and Dave Bolland.Manna from heaven.

    Bonino was tied for 90th among NHL forwards for with 1.95 pts/60 playing 3rd line minutes with Palmeri and Belesky.

    His overall corsi last year was 49.8% so saying he has negative possession numbers is a bit thin.

    You’re right that he lit it up on the PP last year.

    I think he’s a solid 3C and is 2C in a pinch.

    He’s not Kesler, but that’s why VAN got Sbisa and the 24th too.

  136. Woodguy says:

    spoiler: hly probable.
    I’ll have a case of beer. Then I’ll have another

    That would be pretty awesome.

  137. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Van trading for Dorsett is amazing and terrible. amazing because he’s a meatball and terrible because he’ll injure another Oiler for sure now.

  138. Caramel Obvious says:

    So did Maloney just call Ribeiro an alchoholic? Can they do that?

  139. nycoil says:

    Is this the “Saw him good” post? Cause I see Dorsett a lot here and I see him bad.

    Mike Kelly ‏@MikeKellyNHL 54s
    Hearing Panthers seriously considering an offer from the Maple Leafs for the #1 overall pick. JVR centerpiece with others going to FLA

    Holy cow!

  140. Derek says:

    Woodguy: Bonino was tied for 90th among NHL forwards for with 1.95 pts/60 playing 3rd line minutes with Palmeri and Belesky.

    His overall corsi last year was 49.8% so saying he has negative possession numbers is a bit thin.

    You’re right that he lit it up on the PP last year.

    I think he’s a solid 3C and is 2C in a pinch.

    He’s not Kesler, but that’s why VAN got Sbisa and the 24th too.

    Bonino was the centerpiece in a deal involving a guy regarded as an elite 2nd line shutdown center, who plays the toughest opposition available. Its debateable if that’s what he still is with his injury problems.

    Bonino is a guy who comes out against opposing third lines with a 50 percent zone start and just barely plays them to a tie. He just put up a career year of 49 points working a pretty cushy job.

    Sbisa is a 24 year old third pairing defense man with very little offense who may improve.

    The 24th overall has a what… like a 30% chance of playing 200 games in the NHL?

    I hate Vancouver, and I love the trade.

  141. Rondo says:

    What does a #6 plus #24 + player get Vancouver?

  142. RexLibris says:

    Rondo:
    What doesa #6 plus #24 + player get Vancouver?

    Hint – not #30 overall.

  143. RexLibris says:

    Yeah! Dorsett and Kassian on the same team!

    Can’t wait for the next Canucks/Flames game opening faceoff.

  144. RexLibris says:

    nycoil:
    http://arizonasports.com/43/1745713/Arizona-Coyotes-buy-out-Mike-Ribeiros-contract

    Confirmed on Ribeiro buy out

    *In cheesy car salesman voice* “Hi Don, Craig here. Yeah, so I hear you are shy one undersized offensive center…”

  145. RexLibris says:

    nycoil:
    Is this the “Saw him good” post? Cause I see Dorsett a lot here and I see him bad.

    Mike Kelly ‏@MikeKellyNHL 54s
    Hearing Panthers seriously considering an offer from the Maple Leafs for the #1 overall pick. JVR centerpiece with others going to FLA

    Holy cow!

    Be pretty funny if the end of the deal became Luke Schenn (the starting point for the JVR deal) for Aaron Ekblad. And the Leafs traded up to get Schenn which, if I recall correctly, enabled the Islanders to take Bailey at #9.

  146. Ice Sage says:

    RexLibris: Garrison to Tampa. Interesting. Benning is really taking Gillis’ team apart then. For a 2nd rounder, too.Hmm, so how’d that Garrison/J.Schultz comparison work out for the Canucks?

    I do miss DSF and his phony acrimony.

    I’m having a hard time predicting which of Western Canada’s 3 teams will suck the most next year.

  147. Woodguy says:

    CapGeek ‏@capgeek 57s
    Sources say the upper limit has been set at $69M.

    Let the trade frenzy begin!!

    Edit: Continue!!!

  148. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy:
    CapGeek ‏@capgeek57s
    Sources say the upper limit has been set at $69M.

    Let the trade frenzy begin!!

    this helps the Oil.

    I wonder if it pushes some D loose (Garrison already came out) and how the Nikitin deal is going to look with this cap situation.

  149. Woodguy says:

    Ice Sage: I do miss DSF and his phony acrimony.

    I’m having a hard time predicting which of Western Canada’s 3 teams will suck the most next year.

    I want the NorthWest division back!!!!

  150. Woodguy says:

    nycoil:
    http://arizonasports.com/43/1745713/Arizona-Coyotes-buy-out-Mike-Ribeiros-contract

    Confirmed on Ribeiro buy out

    Maloney quoted as saying buyout was for pure “behavioral issues”

  151. Lowetide says:

    Hmmm. Reading the tea leaves, I think EDM gets a RH D this afternoon at about 5:30.

  152. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    Hmmm. Reading the tea leaves, I think EDM gets a RH D this afternoon at about 5:30.

    ekblad so sad

  153. regwald says:

    Lowetide:
    Hmmm. Reading the tea leaves, I think EDM gets a RH D this afternoon at about 5:30.

    You believe Ekblad before Draisaitl is the the order for MacT ?

  154. Ben says:

    Do you think Malone and Ribeiro would work on a line together?

  155. Rondo says:

    NEW YORK/TORONTO (June 27, 2014) — The National Hockey League and the National Hockey League Players’ Association announced today that the Team Payroll Range established for the 2014-15 League Year, pursuant to the Collective Bargaining Agreement, provides for a Lower Limit of $51 million, an Adjusted Midpoint of $60 million and an Upper Limit of $69 million.

  156. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    Hmmm. Reading the tea leaves, I think EDM gets a RH D this afternoon at about 5:30.

    Preying on other managers’ incompetence is a curious feeling. It has been so long, I’ve almost forgotten.

    Is this what winning feels like?

    (edit – I still believe that if this happens it is by way of trade, rather than draft)

  157. spoiler says:

    Woodguy:
    CapGeek ‏@capgeek57s
    Sources say the upper limit has been set at $69M.

    Let the trade frenzy begin!!

    Edit: Continue!!!

    That is great news.

  158. Ice Sage says:

    Woodguy: I want the NorthWest division back!!!!

    Add in Wpg and Phoenix to Seattle and it would be a fine Div 2 to the real NHL Western Conference ;-)

    Oh well sh!tty hockey is still entertaining, of a fashion

  159. spoiler says:

    D. MacLean on HC at Noon…

    Hearing rumours that Colorado will re-sign Stastny.

  160. TheOtherJohn says:

    Bettman forgot to run the salary vap number by Ed Snider for his approval.. Expect NHL will issue correction “Ed says, er… NHL announces the salary cap number for this season will be $73m”

  161. spoiler says:

    Rondo:
    NEW YORK/TORONTO (June 27, 2014) — The National Hockey League and the National Hockey League Players’ Association announced today that the Team Payroll Range established for the 2014-15 League Year, pursuant to the Collective Bargaining Agreement, provides for a Lower Limit of $51 million, an Adjusted Midpoint of $60 million and an Upper Limit of $69 million.

    It sounds like they’re banking away a nice increase for next summer, when there are no compliance buyouts to help teams out.

  162. russ99 says:

    Plugged the new $69M cap in Capgeek, here’s the teams over the cap:

    Chicago – 22 players, over by $480K
    Philly – 19 players, over by $240K

    Also pretty close are:

    Boston – 18 players, under by $1.67M
    LA – 20 players, under by $3.65M
    Tampa – 20 players, under by $5.02M
    New Jersey – 17 players, under by $9.71M

    The Oilers are 17 players, under the cap by $19.88M, including Gagner ($4.8M) and Nitikin; not including Schultz and Petry and the other UFA/RFAs.

    So if you add Petry and Schultz at expected numbers, that’s around $12-14M more to spend, more if we can dump Gagner before the NTC kicks in on Tuesday. :D

  163. Woodguy says:

    Derek: d the

    I get what you are saying, but I hesitate to call him the center piece.

    I see it as 35%, Bonino, 35% 24th, 30% Sbisa.

    If Kesler stays healthy its a win for ANA for sure, but that’s the gamble on their side.

    I concede its a win for ANA, but not in a walk.

  164. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Hmmm. Reading the tea leaves, I think EDM gets a RH D this afternoon at about 5:30.

    What do you see at the order?

    Bennett
    Drais
    Ek?

  165. nycoil says:

    Boston is over due to bonuses paid to Iginla I think.
    Detroit also in a bind due to bonuses.

    Pittsburgh will have issues as they have so many UFAs to sign. Jokinen, Niskanen for sure hitting the market, probably trades coming as well.

    Rangers to a lesser degree are also in trouble there hence the Dorsett trade. Think Stralman has priced himself out of their plans.

    I’ve kept saying Chicago is in cap trouble the past month or so and been shot down by people, but there’s definitely going to be some movement there, especially with Kane and Toews extensions up-coming.

    LA, out of all the top teams, has done well.

  166. Snowman says:

    Lowetide,

    Because the German will be gone or because the Oilers will Ek instead?

  167. Lowetide says:

    Snowman:
    Lowetide,

    Because the German will be gone or because the Oilers will Ek instead?

    German gone.

  168. spoiler says:

    Jim Matheson
    @NHLbyMatty

    If VCR gets No 1 pick and takes Reinhart Buff at No 2 will take centre too leaving ekblad for oilers. Sabres loaded with young D now.#oilers

  169. regwald says:

    Gino tweeted that Tallon says he will be holding onto the pick unless something happens on the draft floor. If that’s the case, Ekblad to Florida.

    Gene Principe @GenePrincipe · 9m

    Dale Tallon said morning was busier than afternoon. For now made up his mind. Unless something happens at draft table FLA will use #1 pick

  170. spoiler says:

    @aaronward_nhl:

    Growth factor was at $68M,new TV money brought in a year early would raise it to $70M so both parties split the difference at $69M. #TSN

  171. Snowman says:

    This has got to be the most wide open draft in terms of top 4 picks I can remember. Its awesome. Makes for a good draft day. I’m loving all the rumours and trades and guessing. The suspense is fantastic. Even the cap is adding an interesting twist.

    I’ll admit I was sold on Draisatl so that will be a little disappointing. But if the consolation is Ekblad that’s not so bad..or Sam B.

  172. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: German gone.

    That’s quite enough of that, thank you.

  173. spoiler says:

    5 minutes ago
    @TSNRyanRishaug:

    Always fun watching the draft floor before it all starts. Mactavish and Tim Murray of the Sabres having a long chat.

    13 minutes ago
    @DarrenDreger: Some on Draft floor are convinced the 1st pick overall is on the move and the Canucks may be the target. Still early and no sign of Tallon

  174. RexLibris says:

    Philly over the cap.

    Petry and a prospect for Coburn?

  175. Caramel Obvious says:

    RexLibris:
    Philly over the cap.

    Petry and a prospect for Coburn?

    Why would the Oilers do that? The Oilers need to add to their D, not swap chairs. Is Coburn better than Petry? I doubt it.

  176. Caramel Obvious says:

    RexLibris:
    Philly over the cap.

    Petry and a prospect for Coburn?

    How about a prospect and a mid round pick for Coburn? Why give away Petry for nothing?

  177. RexLibris says:

    Caramel Obvious: How about a prospect and a mid round pick for Coburn?Why give away Petry for nothing?

    It’d likely have to be a mid round pick for next year, because this year, unless Philadelphia likes someone at #91, I can’t see the pick having much value.

    As for the prospect, it’d either be Marincin or Klefbom at that rate.

    Klefbom and a 4th for Coburn?

    The Flyers would have to be saving money somehow on the deal. Petry is likely to be somewhat more affordable than Coburn by at least $500,000.

    The best deal for the Flyers would be to unload Lecavalier for a pick or prospect, and I don’t see Lecavalier for Lander being something either team goes for.

  178. Caramel Obvious says:

    RexLibris: It’d likely have to be a mid round pick for next year, because this year, unless Philadelphia likes someone at #91, I can’t see the pick having much value.

    As for the prospect, it’d either be Marincin or Klefbom at that rate.

    Klefbom and a 4th for Coburn?

    The Flyers would have to be saving money somehow on the deal. Petry is likely to be somewhat more affordable than Coburn by at least $500,000.

    The best deal for the Flyers would be to unload Lecavalier for a pick or prospect, and I don’t see Lecavalier for Lander being something either team goes for.

    That’s crazy. No one would trade Klefbom for Coburn straight up. I was thinking Musil + pick, or something like that.

    Coburn has less value than Perron did last year.

  179. RexLibris says:

    Caramel Obvious: That’s crazy.No one would trade Klefbom for Coburn straight up.I was thinking Musil + pick, or something like that.

    Coburn has less value than Perron did last year.

    I would hope so.

    But I think that overvalues Musil, and I’ll admit that I try to moderate fan bias by downgrading my perceived value of Oiler prospects.

    Musil for Coburn, but what has to be the + in that deal?

    A 2015 2nd rounder? Another prospect?

    And Perron was had for a roster regular young prospect and former 10th overall pick in addition to the 2nd rounder. If we downsize the value on Coburn to a 2nd and an NHL prospect, does that seem closer to real value? Then try to factor in any chance of a buyer’s market increasing the value.

    I’ll be honest here, if MacTavish could walk away from the first day of the draft having selected Draisaitl and traded Musil and a 3rd rounder or even 2nd rounder for Coburn, heck I’d be one happy fan.

  180. G Money says:

    RexLibris: Musil for Coburn, but what has to be the + in that deal?
    A 2015 2nd rounder? Another prospect?

    The theory is it shouldn’t have to be very much, because the “+” is mostly cap space, no?

  181. fuzzy muppet says:

    Sooooooo…What are we drinking?

    This is exciting!

  182. Rondo says:

    Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger · 37s
    Canucks and Panthers still talking. Van offer for 1st pick believed to be 6th, 24th and last years 1st rnd pick, Hunter Shinkaruk. #TSN

  183. RexLibris says:

    Rondo:
    Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger·37s
    Canucks and Panthers still talking. Van offer for 1st pick believed to be 6th, 24th and last years 1st rnd pick, Hunter Shinkaruk. #TSN

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but based on what we’ve heard of Tallon’s needs, this doesn’t actually address any of them. Wasn’t he prioritizing NHL assets that can step in immediately and help the team win next season?

    Shinkaruk is not that asset, neither are the 6th and 24th players selected likely to become.

    Also, if Vancouver gets that 1st overall pick, presumed to be Reinhart in their books, I think that significantly lowers the chances that the Oilers are able to select Draisaitl.

  184. RexLibris says:

    G Money: The theory is it shouldn’t have to be very much, because the “+” is mostly cap space, no?

    True, but then we’d be assuming that Coburn was a Garrison-esque salary dump and the Canucks are rebuilding while I don’t believe that the Flyers are operating on the same premise.

    I think ideally they would be looking to move Coburn for a player further back on the development/financial scale, but still able to assist the NHL roster this year.

    I could be wrong, I am assigning reason and forethought to the Philadelphia Flyers after all.

  185. RexLibris says:

    @TSNDaveHodge: After watching stupid NBA draft, I need to know that Aaron Ekblad won’t don a FLA Panthers hat, then hear he has been traded to ORL Magic.

  186. RexLibris says:

    @TSNRyanRishaug: Just spoke to Tallon, said he’s probly going to make the pick. Said he knows he’s been a little greedy, and is comfortable keeping it.

  187. skidplate says:

    RexLibris,

    Ya, I would say that is a good return, however not what Fla was looking for. So I do not think that deal will pass.

  188. Rondo says:

    RexLibris,

    If Vancouver get the #1 probably take Reinhart

    Buffalo will dangle Ekblad to other teams.

  189. spoiler says:

    Rondo: Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger · 37sCanucks and Panthers still talking. Van offer for 1st pick believed to be 6th, 24th and last years 1st rnd pick, Hunter Shinkaruk. #TSN

    That seems like way too much. Although there’s no real player there, which is what Tallon’s heart desires.

  190. nycoil says:

    There’s been some chatter over here on the East Coast that Murray’s now leaning towards the German over the Germanic Canadian.

    Probably ties in to the “tea leaves” LT’s referring to?

    And yeah, the Vancouver deal doesn’t offer the young top 4D (like Tanev) or scoring winger ready to contribute now that Tallon’s been after, so I think as he said yesterday the offer is “above” fair value for the pick, but he is going to keep it and take BPA. Florida press been saying he probably keeps the pick and takes Ekblad,

    It would be interesting if he sees Reinhart as a pro right winger, in which case he might shock the world and go with Reinhart, Buffalo takes Draisaitl, leaving the Oilers to choose Bennett or Ekblad, and with no leverage in a trade with Vancouver (who covet Reinhart), but possibly well levered for a trade with Toronto (who may want Bennett for his Doug Gilmour comparisons).

  191. fuzzy muppet says:

    spoiler,

    It’s essentially 3 first rounders…but two are late.

    It’s not enough for 1 OV

  192. speeds says:

    If that VAN offer is accurate, and if whoever VAN wants to draft at 1 is still avail at 3, would you make that trade were you MacT?

  193. Lowetide says:

    speeds:
    If that VAN offer is accurate, and if whoever VAN wants to draft at 1 is still avail at 3, would you make that trade were you MacT?

    Not for me. I don’t trust the Oilers to stay away from Nick Ritchie at No. 6 overall.

  194. RexLibris says:

    speeds:
    If that VAN offer is accurate, and if whoever VAN wants to draft at 1 is still avail at 3, would you make that trade were you MacT?

    Not based on the Oilers’ needs.

    Flip the deal around. If Vancouver had the 1st overall and were in year 1 or 2 of a rebuild, would it make sense to do that deal?

    Perhaps.

  195. speeds says:

    Lowetide,

    but would you make the deal if you got to pick at 6?

  196. John Chambers says:

    speeds,

    No because Shinkaruk is a winger, #6 is winger territory, and #24 is meh.

    We need a C who can contribute by 2017. Why gift that to the Gord damn Canucks?

  197. sliderule says:

    If Reinhart falls to us how about the number six and Horvat for number three.

    Don’t think Canucks would do that but I think oilers would.

  198. raventalon40 says:

    Is there a streaming link? I am working out of town

  199. John Chambers says:

    speeds,

    I could see Buffalo making that deal.

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