2014 DRAFT DAY TWO: HURRY UP AND WAIT

It’s day two at the 2014 entry draft. The Edmonton Oilers won’t pick until long after breakfast and the expectation should be for one player with a Teemu Hartikainen-Zack Stortini calibre career from this day. That’s the reality. Even Buffalo, with three second-round picks, should expect only one NHL player of 200 games or more from that trio. It’s a needle in a haystack day for all scouts. Hopeless, yet vital. Insane but true. It’s Mission Impossible.

DAY TWO TOP 100

  1. (18) C Ivan Barbashev—Gritty player with skill. A complete player.
  2. (24) C Vladislav Kamenev—Creative, skilled, has size. Two-way center.
  3. (28) D Roland McKeown—Fast train with skill. Defensive issues.
  4. (30) C Jayce HawrylukExceptional young prospect delivers offense (EV: 59GP, 15-29).
  5. (35) D Marcus PetterssonTrending defender, tall and thin.
  6. (33) G Thatcher DemkoA .935 save percentage is outstanding anywhere.
  7. (34) D Jack Glover—Mobile two-way defender with size and passing ability.
  8. (41) L Spencer Watson—Pure goal scorer, he’s an impressive skill player.
  9. (37) D Jack Dougherty—Two-way defender with impressive wingspan.
  10. (38) L Justin Kirkland—Trending player, lots of potential but a definite flier.
  11. (40) L Brett Pollock—Skill winger can cash, didn’t help his case in playoffs.
  12. (42) D Dysin MayoA mobile, creative defenseman who can make plays.
  13. (55) L Dexter DancsSleeper power forward.
  14. (43) D Josh JacobsSmooth two-way defenseman with size.
  15. (44) C Eric Cornell—A quality playmaker, he also has size. A trending player.
  16. (45) C Chase De LeoSmall, fast, makes things happen. Famous because Portland Winterhawks.
  17. (46) C Brayden Point—Outstanding playmaker, gritty undersized F. NHLE: 82, 12-19-31 on fast gun.
  18. (47) L Brendan Lemieux—A chippy bugger, he’ll play as high on the depth chart as his skill allows.
  19. (48) L Vladimir Tkachyov—Small, skilled Russian with a ridiculous Q run.
  20. (49) C Ryan DonatoTed’s boy, intelligent skill F. Luedeke likes him.
  21. (50) G Alex Nedeljkovic—Had a .925 SP in the OHL this season. Solid resume.
  22. (NR) C Andrew Mangiapane—Extra Skater superstar, his EV/60 is 3.4 and that’s outstanding.
  23. (51) D Brycen MartinBig defender skates well and moves the puck smartly. A safe pick.
  24. (52) R Anton Karlsson—Big, strong forward with speed and skill. Enigma. 1st rder on talent alone.
  25. (53) L Ryan MacInnis—Lanky winger isn’t strong or fast, but he has talent.
  26. (54) R Vaclav Karabacek—Gritty two-way winger with skill.
  27. (56) C Daniel Audette—Undersized skill player who will find a way. Underrated
  28. (57) C Nicolas Aube-Kubel—Two-way center, he’s aggressive and is a good skater.
  29. (58)  D Jacob MiddletonA nice range of skills, tough season but lots of potential.
  30. (59) R Ondrej Kase—Speedy winger with all kinds of skill.
  31. L Juho Lammikko—Power winger with some skill. Impressive U18′s.
  32. L Kris Schmidli—Extra Skater star, 3.2/60 at evens. Some Swiss kid in Kelowna with good math skills.
  33. D Dominik Masin—Russian blue effective, mobile and has size.
  34. R Hunter Smith—Draft re-entry is a monster.
  35. D Blake Siebenaler—A very nice resume. Puck mover, smooth, has ability.
  36. L Francis Perron—Playmaking winger.
  37. G Ilya Sorokin—Not at all famous, but he stops pucks in the Hinterland.
  38. L Dylan Sadowy—Unusual to find a good scorer this deep, but here he is. 27 goals.
  39. G Mason McDonald—I’m somewhat skeptical, but people like him fine.
  40. D Aaron Irving—I think he’s underrated by most. Two-way defenseman, saw him good.
  41. D Andreas Englund—Swedish defender, tall strong and lean. Could go large, could go Ker-Plunk.
  42. L Michael Bunting— Impressive speed and skill. Probably a checker.
  43. C Luke Philp—Skill center can play a complementary role.
  44. D Ben Thomas—Good stickhandler, has some chaos.
  45. C Radel Fazleev—Trending player, big performance at the U18′s.
  46. L Edgars Kulda—He had a nice season.
  47. D William Lagesson—Two-way defender, interesting bio.
  48. D Gavin Bayreuther—A college man, he’s 20 and has some nice boxcars.
  49. L Warren Foegele—Complete skills, came  out of nowhere. Will he return there?
  50. D Riley Stadel—Crazy good puck handling defender. A draft sleeper.
  51. C Colby Cave—Undersized checker. Lots of those! He has some nice things.
  52. C Reid Gardner—Two-way center, improving.
  53. C Clark Bishop—Hard working C who has terrific speed.
  54. D Luc Snuggerud—Puck moving defender.
  55. R Alexis Pepin—Enormous two-way winger with some skill. Bet the Oilers are on him.
  56. G Ville Husso—Interesting numbers, I’m not sure about the story behind them.
  57. D Brandon Montour—Another guy Luedeke recommended. Might be the anti-Hesketh.
  58. R Alex Schoenborn—Size and skill, just needs to put it together. A nice draft and follow.
  59. C Reid Duke—I’d like to see him on a hockey team.
  60. L Blake Clark—Big power forward with some skill.
  61. G Zachary Nagelvoort: College goalie with good to very good numbers.
  62. C Shane Gersich—Speedy two-way player, that damn Luedeke talked me into it.
  63. D Jake Walman—Great skater, converted forward, long shot.
  64. R Tyler Bird—Huge 17-year old who played high school last season and is on his way to Brown.
  65. C Lukas Wallmark—I refuse to give up. Skilled forward.
  66. D Aaron HaydonHuge defenseman with some ability.
  67. D Alexis Vanier—Weird skill set. Massive guy. Skilled.
  68. D Sebastian Aho—Undersized puck moving defender with some promise.
  69. D Ryan CollinsGiant defensive defenseman.
  70. D Ryan ManthaHuge defender who can handle the puck. Good bloodlines.
  71. C Mike Amadio—Defensive center.
  72. R Austin Poganski—Big throwback winger on his way to UND.
  73. C Kevin Leblanc—Physical 2-way player.
  74. D Emil Johansson—Puck moving defender.
  75. L Shane Eiserman—Big two-way winger, a little challenged on skill.
  76. R Matt Iacopelli—Dominated USHL at 19. On his way to Western Michigan, Oiler heartland.
  77. R Oscar Lindblom—Power forward, has skill.
  78. D Miles Gendron—Crazy good skater, chaos now, could be something later.
  79. L Christian Dvorak—Two-way forward, didn’t score much.
  80. R Noah Rod—Power winger with a cool name.
  81. D Nelson Nogier—Big, mobile stay at home defender.
  82. L Darby Llewellyn—Two-way winger with skill and smarts.
  83. D Rinat Valiev—Russian defender in the west. Puck mover, physical. Interesting.
  84. L Ryan Foss—Power forward frame, scored just okay.
  85. R Keegan Iverson—A big winger with some skill. Physical player.
  86. R Mitchel Slattery—Speedy winger with skill. Interesting prospect.
  87. R Jaden Lindo—Impressive defensive forward, has some skill.
  88. G Chase Perry—Big American goalie with decent boxcars.
  89. C Beau Starrett—Tall forward with skill, varying scouting reports on him.
  90. L Matthew Mistele—Impressive player a year ago, went thud. Risk reward.
  91. L Julien Pelletier—Skill forward, good hands. Looks tweener, you never know.
  92. D Brett Lernout—Big, tough, intimidating defender.
  93. G Vitek Vanecek—Good numbers, dominant at U-18s.
  94. L Julian Nantel—Two-way forward with average size.
  95. D Adam Ollas Mattsson—Huge defender with a little offense.
  96. G Brandon Halvorson—Tall, thin goalie whose boxcars are okay.
  97. R Karson Kuhlman—Two-way agitating winger with skill.
  98. D Olivier Leblanc—Puck mover with good boxcars, he’s rail thin.
  99. G Kaapo Kahkonen—Big Finn had a good season. Huge.
  100. C Dominic Turgeon—Pierre’s boy. Skilled but not that skilled.
  101. C Steve Spinner—Pure offense, no defense. Fast and skilled.
  102. D Brandon Hickey—Stay at home D with size, long term potential.
  103. G Edwin Minney—Big American goalie headed to Michigan State.
  104. D Josh Wesley—Glenn’s boy, defensive defenseman.
  105. G Jonas Johansson—Huge Swedish goalie.
  106. G Brent Moran—Long shot goalie.
  107. G Blake Weyrick—American goalie on his way to college. I don’t see it.

OILERS 2014 DRAFT (LT PROJECTION)

  • #3 overall -C Leon Draisaitl—A fine addition, the projected top 6F in 2 years (Hall, Perron, Nuge, Drai, Ebs, Yak) is supreme.
  • #33 overall DAVID PERRON (for this pick and Magnum PS)
  • #63 overall BEN SCRIVENS
  • #91 overall G Ilya Sorokin—Not at all famous, but he stops pucks in the Hinterland.
  • #111 overall R Alex Schoenborn—Size and skill.
  • #130 overall D Nelson Nogier—Big, mobile stay at home defender.
  • #137 overall NIKITA NIKITAN
  • #153 overall L Anthony DiFruscia—No one has mentioned him yet.
  • #183 overall R Jaedon Descheneau—Skill out the ass.

Remember our conversations earlier: historically, we have every right to expect a Jason Arnott-career from Leon. The rest of the Oilers draft (as it sits) should reasonably fetch a GP total somewhere between Teemu Hartikainen and Zack Stortini. 2008 meet 2014.

THEY’RE KILLING ME, WHITEY!!!

I can’t imagine being an Oilers scout this morning. You can’t bitch or moan, the draft picks have been used effectively and the GM didn’t trade off the big pick. However, from selection No. 31 a little after 8am our time through selection No. 90, Edmonton’s scouts have to sit and look pretty. The one good thing is the draft was already starting to go walkabout at the end of round 1 so it could be all over the place.

For me, I have my favorites who could make it to No. 91 (Kamenev, Dancs, Kulda, Sorokin, Aube-Kubel, Bunting, Poganski, Mads Eller) but no matter the names we have to be mindful of how things will probably go with these young men. Kyle Brodziak is the outer marker, Jason Chimera the dream. THAT is the home run here, don’t let anyone tell you differently.

I’ll update as I’m able today, have the Harvest Moon post up later this afternoon and early evening, and post the new top 20 tomorrow morning. Yesterday was a blast, today is an adventure and tomorrow is about trades and free agency. Unless the Oil can get something done on the draft floor this morning. I’ll be on Saturday Sports Extra at noon TSN 1260 with Paul Almeida and we’ll break down the draft and Edmonton’s share of the riches.

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113 Responses to "2014 DRAFT DAY TWO: HURRY UP AND WAIT"

  1. speeds says:

    If you had to guess LT, how many of your top 30, if any, will still be around when EDM is scheduled to next pick at 91?

  2. Colieo87 says:

    Boom second post dang thought I was going to have the first post. Anyways good morning LT what do you think Draisaitl jersey number going to be 29 or 95?

  3. Lowetide says:

    speeds:
    If you had to guess LT, how many of your top 30, if any, will still be around when EDM is scheduled to next pick at 91?

    Two: Dancs and Middleton.

  4. borisnikov says:

    I’m really pleased this AM. Draisaitl was the right pick. Having a head to head matchup of The Nuge & The Panzer go up against Monahan and Bennet seems a lot more balanced than if things had turned out the opposite way for picks 3 & 4.

    Maybe the worm will finally turn for this team.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Colieo87:
    Boom second post dang thought I was going to have the first post. Anyways good morning LT what do you think Draisaitl jersey number going to be 29 or 95?

    Is 27 available? That’s Frank Mahovlich’s number.

  6. bill needle says:

    What’s stopping Draisaitl from being better than all the other players the Oilers have drafted recently?
    Nothing.
    I hope he’s so good he makes Hall the complementary player. And Nuge the 2nd-line centre. Wouldn’t that be something?
    For the first time in a very long time, I see hope on the Oilers’ horizon instead of arrogance and incompetence.

  7. borisnikov says:

    bill needle,

    A 4-7 (or similar) October should stomp out that hope good and quick!

  8. Colieo87 says:

    Lowetide,

    That’s so neat never heard of him LT. This is what I love about your blogs and comments always learning something new. The Big M” Mahovlic. Need to catch up on my German born hockey players. Cheers LT your the best

  9. Henry says:

    Lowetide,

    Morming all.

    Question: If Barbashev is still available and someone offers up their 2nd and a prospect winger for Gagner would it be smart for MacT to take the trade? Is Barb good enough?

  10. bill needle says:

    Last year I demanded pre-draft profiles begun in the preseason after the Oilers picked up Gazdic on waivers, so I know all about reality. Drubnyk couldn’t stop a beach ball in Game 1 and the Oilers’ best skater that night was Jesse, freakin, Joensuu.
    That is the compete, polar opposite of hope.

  11. thejonrmcleod says:

    Are today’s draft rounds on TV? Probably just on the NHL Network, which I don’t get.

  12. Lowetide says:

    Henry:
    Lowetide,

    Morming all.

    Question:If Barbashev is still available and someone offers up their 2nd and a prospect winger for Gagner would it be smart for MacT to take the trade?Is Barb good enough?

    I had Barbashev No. 18 so it’s something I would consider. However, it’s probably wise for us to assume that 89 has very low value at this time. Edmonton can’t just give him away, they have to get something useful in return.

    I have suggested a 2nd and a 4th in the past, suspect that would satisfy. THEN spend that money on Kulemin.

  13. Lowetide says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    Are today’s draft rounds on TV? Probably just on the NHL Network, which I don’t get.

    The NHL Network coverage is terrible. Draft picks are rarely mentioned, but they have all day to interview Leafs prospects.

  14. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    One could hope that they meant Englund not Engelland.

  15. fuzzy muppet says:

    The Next move is for MacT to identify teams with cap crunch, poach a contract and move this team forward.

    Sign Grabbo, Kulemin, Winnik/Moss and a RHD and then, at the very least, the Oilers will be competitive!

  16. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I wonder if Ehrhoff would add EDM to the OK to Travel teams for the opportunity to play with a national star?

    Christian Ehrhoff @TheRealHoff10 · 6h
    Congrats to @Drat_29 on beeing the highest german draft pick ever! Good luck on your journey! #NHLDraft2014

  17. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    I wonder if Ehrhoff would add EDM to the OK to Travel teams for the opportunity to play with a national star?

    Christian Ehrhoff @TheRealHoff10·6h
    Congrats to @Drat_29 on beeing the highest german draft pick ever! Good luck on your journey! #NHLDraft2014

    That would be a dream:

    Ehrhoff-Petry
    Marincin-Schultz
    Ference-Nikitin

  18. thejonrmcleod says:

    My friend is a contributor to a Washington Capitals blog, and every so often I visit there. Man, those guys make Oilers fans seem sane. Last night’s draft pick didn’t help settle them down.

  19. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: That would be a dream:

    Ehrhoff-Petry
    Marincin-Schultz
    Ference-Nikitin

    We’ve been dreaming it all year. No point waking up now! haha.

    ————
    I’ve got my red line guide here and the extraskater page open.

    looking forward to today.

    Expecting Chase is unreasonable. And, I figure one or two of the picks will be Gs and or Evan Campbells.

    I’m just hoping for this year’s Houck and Betker. Those guys are exactly the kind of guys you take late. Range of skill, project to be impact players, or at least strong depth players, if miracles happen.

  20. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Lowetide: The NHL Network coverage is terrible. Draft picks are rarely mentioned, but they have all day to interview Leafs prospects.

    Seems very redundant, given that that’s a field well-covered by TSN and Sportsnet.

  21. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    thejonrmcleod:
    My friend is a contributor to a Washington Capitals blog, and every so often I visit there. Man, those guys make Oilers fans seem sane. Last night’s draft pick didn’t help settle them down.

    I’m enjoying the Nuck freakout on twitter.

  22. Henry says:

    Lowetide:   (Quote)  (Reply)

    Yes, his cap hit hurts worse than his play IMO. He will improve particularly if on right wing. The Garrison trade seems to indicate the sort of value that can be squeezed by teams willing to take on salary.

  23. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: The NHL Network coverage is terrible. Draft picks are rarely mentioned, but they have all day to interview Leafs prospects.

    I concur with this.

    That and they go full Olympic/NBC Early morning show with their coverage, i.e., they like “human interest” story lines on the second day about adversity and family and regional connections, etc.

    pulp for the masses… which don’t watch the draft… so… the whole thing is weird.

    But… the last several years NHL.com has live-streamed day two for free. You should be able to watch it. If they don’t I’m sure a stream won’t be hard to find.

  24. thejonrmcleod says:

    When does the 2nd round start?

  25. Lowetide says:

    I would be happy if they just ran the podium feed. Except for Tim Burke’s f-bombs when San Jose picks it would be much better.

  26. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    When does the 2nd round start?

    10 AM EST
    so, 10 minutes or so.

    Lowetide:
    I would be happy if they just ran the podium feed. Except for Tim Burke’s f-bombs when San Jose picks it would be much better.

    lazy bastards just sit there at the damn table all day.

  27. supernova says:

    LT,

    Here to let air out of the tires

    I think your expectations for what to expect today for games played is high.

    Anything over 100 games combined for today’s picks is a home run.
    The success rate average for rounds 4 through 7 is approximately 10%.

    A Hartikanen that never returns to the NHL is fair.

    We need our Alec Martinez or Jared spurgeon today .

  28. frjohnk says:

    LT,
    I know off topic from the draft, but with the cap not going up as high as some teams would have liked, a handful of teams will be have to shed salary/or pay 4th and 5th liners to play 3rd line.

    Chicago has 22 guys Philly has 19 guys signed and both are over the limit.
    About 10 other teams will have difficulty navigating these cap waters. Throw in Ottawa and a few other teams that are not looking to spend to the cap, there might not be as many buyers as once first thought.

    Looks like the oilers have almost $20M in cap space for 6 more spots. Petry and Schultz need to be signed.
    http://www.capgeek.com/

  29. eidy says:

    I hope they have been floating rumors supporting “Russia factor” for Kamenev as he is who I hope falls. I think kulda and one of the other oil kings will be available at 91. Not that they should take them, but suspect they will be there.

  30. VOR says:

    Actually, LT if you are going to mention Arnott and given we have the 111th OV isn’t the dream the kid from Topolcany? If you are going to dream, dream big.

  31. Lowetide says:

    Blues get Barbashev with our pick. Lordy that”s good value.

  32. John Chambers says:

    Just a hunch, but i bet Nashville spends big in free agency adding Stastny, Vanek, Hemsky, or 2 out of 3.

    They’ve got to get started building a contender around Weber and Neal is the best offensive player the franchise may have ever had. Nice prospects coming up in Forsberg and now Fiala.

  33. thejonrmcleod says:

    So Perron for Pajaarvi and Barbashev. Doesn’t seem like such a great deal right now. Of course, we don’t know that the Oilers would have picked Barbashev, and we also don’t know if Pajaarvi and Barbashev will both reach their potentials.

  34. John Chambers says:

    Lowetide,

    And they might’ve gotten the biggest steal in the draft with Fabbri last night.

    For a team that has been trading picks and assets to compete now, they’re doing a heckuva job replenishing the prospect pool.

  35. eidy says:

    I don’t like Nashville. Too smart

  36. Lowetide says:

    Some unusual picks. Every wonky one gives EDM a nicer pool at 91! (reaching)

  37. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Blues get Barbashev with our pick. Lordy that”s good value.

    That hurts a bit.

    Oilers win that trade today.

    3 years from now however……

  38. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Wow… Vey for the 50th pick.

    hmmm. McKeown. Interesting as always Lombardi.

  39. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy: That hurts a bit.

    Oilers win that trade today.

    3 years from now however……

    Yeah, 2nd rounder seems like a throw-in until it’s a frigging #33 and a solid but overlooked player remains on the board. Sigh.

  40. Bag of Pucks says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    So Perron for Pajaarvi and Barbashev. Doesn’t seem like such a great deal right now. Of course, we don’t know that the Oilers would have picked Barbashev, and we also don’t know if Pajaarvi and Barbashev will both reach their potentials.

    Perron nearly led the team in scoring.

    He’s an honest to Gord actual NHL player that filled a roster hole on a club littered with them.

    He has good leadership skills and seems to genuinely like playing in Edmonton.

    Paajarvi is closer to bust than breakout player at this point.

    Barbashev has potential.

    Trade still looking good to me. One of the things I love about MacT is he holds on to the blue chip picks and isn’t shy about dealing the lottery tickets for actual players / known quantities.

    Imagine this team today without Scrivens, Perron, Fasth, Nikitin, etc or in other words, if Dithers was still the boss. MacT IS fast tracking this rebuild.

  41. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    R Hunter Smith—Draft re-entry is a monster.

    and a Flame.

    Truculence alert! in BM’s words

  42. thejonrmcleod says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    I wasn’t saying it was a bad trade.

  43. thejonrmcleod says:

    Tampa Bay just picked up a guy with a solid name.

  44. Bruce McCurdy says:

    re: Draisaitl’s nickname, I’m not sure Panzer is gonna fly.

    (Waits)

    Seriously, too many negative connotations from WW II.

    My pal Fred suggested “Drai Ice” on Twitter last night, I kinda like it. That said, I kinda like the Deutschland Dangler.

  45. Woodguy says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Yeah, 2nd rounder seems like a throw-in until it’s a frigging #33 and a solid but overlooked player remains on the board. Sigh.

    Yup.

    Some guys had Barbashev in the top 10.

  46. Woodguy says:

    Bag of Pucks: Perron nearly led the team in scoring.

    He’s an honest to Gord actual NHL player that filled a roster hole on a club littered with them.

    He has good leadership skills and seems to genuinely like playing in Edmonton.

    Paajarvi is closer to bust than breakout player at this point.

    Barbashev has potential.

    Trade still looking good to me. One of the things I love about MacT is he holds on to the blue chip picks and isn’t shy about dealing the lottery tickets for actual players / known quantities.

    Imagine this team today without Scrivens, Perron, Fasth, Nikitin, etc or in other words, if Dithers was still the boss. MacT IS fast tracking this rebuild.

    Nothing wrong with the trade and you do it again.

    Just hurts that STL got crazy value out of the 2nd.

  47. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    R Hunter Smith—Draft re-entry is a monster.

    and a Flame.

    Truculence alert! in BM’s words

    Nice of Burke to take a goalie with pedestrian numbers out of the Q with Demko still on the board.

  48. Lowetide says:

    There’s a lot left, but it’ll all go this round. These damn scouts!!!

  49. russ99 says:

    Kind of bummed that Gagner doesn’t seem to be getting moved today.

    Tuesday is when the NMC kicks in and then we’ll be stuck with him not fitting our roster and taking up $4.8m in cap space for 2 more seasons.

    You can say that it’s not worth trading him for pennies on the dollar, but sometimes GMs need to make hard choices to move the team forward. Draisaitl could potentially be a better option at 2C this year and Gagner’s shown in the past that he doesn’t produce offensively at wing.

    Yes, you can trade someone with a NMC but that makes. MacT’s job much harder and limits potential suitors, driving the price down.

    We’re betting a lot that he really turns it around and I just don’t see that happening.

  50. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    My big hope… can Spencer Watson slip another 30 odd picks?

    Chase De Leo? Brayden Point?

    Probably all go… but… you never know…

  51. Bag of Pucks says:

    Woodguy: Nothing wrong with the trade and you do it again.

    Just hurts that STL got crazy value out of the 2nd.

    We can thank Devan Dubnyk for that.

    The down side of sucking yet again? The blues got Barbashev. The upside? We got Panzer. I can live with that, especially if Leon is eating Backes’ lunch in an couple years.

  52. godot10 says:

    Catching up.

    From reading the comments in the last thread and this thread, I gather they don’t teach history anymore in school.

    References, direct or indirect, to the German military from the mid-20th century are in really poor taste.

  53. PaperDesigner says:

    I hope MacTavish is using all this extra time he has to work out a hockey deal with somebody. This roster badly needs reconstruction.

  54. Caramel Obvious says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    My big hope… can Spencer Watson slip another 30 odd picks?

    Chase De Leo? Brayden Point?

    Probably all go… but… you never know…

    They keep falling. Something tells me if they do fall, they’ll fall all the way past the Oilers.

  55. Caramel Obvious says:

    St. Louis and San Jose pick 81 and 82. That’s where the talent guys will go.

  56. Bag of Pucks says:

    It must be human nature to overrate ‘potential’

    Ever the voice of reason, LT tells us the actual odds of these picks today turning into real players, and yet we still swoon with every ‘name’ prospect that comes off the board.

    I’m hoping MacT continues the org’s new MO of drafting skill with size and another legit G prospect wouldn’t hurt. And we need another Finn.

  57. oilersfan says:

    Russ99,

    considering the OIlers have been the worst team in the league for the last 10 years what makes you think Gagner won’t waive his NTC to go pretty much anywhere?

    His NTC is the most overdiscussed issue in Oilersland. HIs salary on the other hand…

  58. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10:
    Catching up.

    From reading the comments in the last thread and this thread, I gather they don’t teach history anymore in school.

    References, direct or indirect,to the German military from the mid-20th century are in really poor taste.

    Taste is wholly subjective.

    Censoring people’s thoughts or expression is fascist behaviour.

    True freedom of speech means there are no sacred cows or taboo topics. You take the bad with the good or by definition, it’s not true freedom.

    Are they not covering this in the history books you read?

  59. raventalon40 says:

    http://imgur.com/a/lp5jk#0

    Did you guys see the German “3?” !!! Straight out of Inglorious Basterds.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xnB57UYBkQ

  60. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    through 76 picks.

    Watson still on the table.

    getting my hopes up here.

  61. Rondo says:

    Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie · 1m
    TOR sends Gunnarson to STL in exchange for Polak.

  62. Woodguy says:

    Jeremy Rutherford ‏@jprutherford 1m
    #stlblues have traded Polak for Carl Gunnarson and pick No. 94, according to a source.

    Nonis: “Hey, I have an idea. Let’s trade our 2nd best Dman who plays tough minutes for the only STL Dman who manages to have a negative corsi and the 94th”

    Crowd: “Great idea chief!”

    Armstrong owned Nonis’ soul on this one.

  63. Alex T says:

    re: Draisaitl’s nickname

    If Leon is truly good at puck possession in the opponent’s end of the ice, Can I call him Drai Cycle?

  64. cabbiesmacker says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    So Perron for Pajaarvi and Barbashev. Doesn’t seem like such a great deal right now.

    Nothing + a Russian prospect for a very good top 6 NHL player doesn’t seem like a good deal to you?

  65. gogliano says:

    godot10:
    Catching up.

    From reading the comments in the last thread and this thread, I gather they don’t teach history anymore in school.

    References, direct or indirect,to the German military from the mid-20th century are in really poor taste.

    This is why I’m calling him “Rommel” after the 19th century German poet.

  66. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    There goes Sorokin. to the Isles 78

  67. Woodguy says:

    Ricardo Yantologist ‏@ryantologist 3m
    “Guys we’re up to one thing in a row without fucking up horribly. Let’s trade with St. Louis.”

  68. Lowetide says:

    It’s crazy Watson is still there. Scouts must have something they don’t like.

  69. Caramel Obvious says:

    Bag of Pucks: Taste is wholly subjective.

    Censoring people’s thoughts or expression is fascist behaviour.

    True freedom of speech means there are no sacred cows or taboo topics. You take the bad with the good or by definition, it’s not true freedom.

    Are they not covering this in the history books you read?

    Far be it for me to defend Godot but there isn”t a single thing you’ve said here that is true.

    First, taste is not subjective. That we think it is is an outgrowth of German romanticism that is philosophically untenable. This is beyond serious dispute.

    Second, freedom of speech has nothing to do with taste. This is obvious.

    Third, freedom of speech doesn’t apply in this situation. Non sequitor.

  70. Lowetide says:

    Crap. Islanders took Sorokin.

  71. speeds says:

    Woodguy,

    TOR traded the pick away, did not trade for the pick in that deal

  72. russ99 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Taste is wholly subjective.

    Censoring people’s thoughts or expression is fascist behaviour.

    True freedom of speech means there are no sacred cows or taboo topics. You take the bad with the good or by definition, it’s not true freedom.

    Are they not covering this in the history books you read?

    I’m half German, speak German and have been to Germany 8 times.

    Some of you guys sound like English soccer fans…

    So we drafted a German player, big deal. Do we go all Soviet /communist on the Russian players? No. So it would be nice to tone down on the WWII references.

    Germans aren’t like that anymore and they find those references offensive. Since Leon grew up in Köln, he’d probably find it offensive too.

    BTW – the German Bundeswehr calls their tanks Panzer to this day, so it’s not bad by itself.

  73. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Taste is wholly subjective.

    Censoring people’s thoughts or expression is fascist behaviour.

    True freedom of speech means there are no sacred cows or taboo topics. You take the bad with the good or by definition, it’s not true freedom.

    Are they not covering this in the history books you read?

    I said the reference was in poor taste. I expressed an opinion. You know. Freedom of expression. And in no way said that you couldn’t use whatever word or words that you want to use. That is not censorship.

    I am just challenging your ignorance of the historical significance of the word.

  74. Caramel Obvious says:

    It’s crazy how much better at this St. Louis is than everyone else. That trade is preposterous.

    Can’t really blame the Oilers for not doing it. They don’t have a Polak equivalent.

  75. Bad Seed says:

    russ99,

    The voice of reason!

  76. thejonrmcleod says:

    cabbiesmacker: Nothing + a Russian prospect for a very good top 6 NHL player doesn’t seem like a good deal to you?

    What I meant was, it doesn’t seem like as good a deal as it did prior to today. But it’s still a good trade.

  77. Bag of Pucks says:

    Mentioning German military is in poor taste?

    Someone should probably tell the history channel, Tom Hanks, Time Life and my next door neighbour who’s German.

  78. Andy P says:

    bill needle:
    What’s stopping Draisaitl from being better than all the other players the Oilers have drafted recently?
    Nothing.
    I hope he’s so good he makes Hall the complementary player. And Nuge the 2nd-line centre. Wouldn’t that be something?
    For the first time in a very long time, I see hope on the Oilers’ horizon instead of arrogance and incompetence.

    This. There is no longer anything that we are aware of that could stop the Panzer from reaching his full potential. If he’s really good it’s going to be a fierce fight because Nuge is not going to let that go in a hurry. I’ll be plenty happy whoever is 2C between those two for sure. But I think Nuge may also benefit from improved coaching, as will Hall.

    I’m not planning parades, just hoping that Panzer becomes, at the least, and in a year or 3, a playtoff caliber 1 or 2C. Let’s not put this poor dude into the Arnott camp of excess expectations. How nice if he could be another Malkin.

  79. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    On HFB someone floated “Diesel”. It works surprisingly well.

  80. Psyche says:

    Assuming the Oilers don’t acquire the 2nd line centre – do the lines look like this at camp?
    C-L-R
    Nuge-Hall-Ebs
    Draisatl-Perron-Gagner
    Gordon-Hendricks-Yakupov
    Arc-Lander-Pitlck

    Need to add a couple NHL forwards to bump down the players into more appropriate roles.
    Is Draisatl ready to play in the NHL this coming season?

  81. RexLibris says:

    Just tuned in.

    Enjoying seeing some of the Flames’ picks so far.

    A goalie at #34, Smith at #54 and then the reach Hickey at #64.

    Pollock went right around where I’d expect him to. Too high, in my estimation, but like I said, he’s North American, big, and had a good playoffs, so of course a team is going to pick him up.

    Fingers crossed Mayo and Kulda last until the Oilers’ picks.

  82. danny says:

    I think his name should be Glorious Basterd.

  83. Woodguy says:

    speeds:
    Woodguy,

    TOR traded the pick away, did not trade for the pick in that deal

    That’s simply unreal.

  84. Caramel Obvious says:

    Woodguy: That’s simply unreal.

    I almost can’t process that trade.

  85. Tarkus says:

    Oilers pick William Lagesson at #91. Swedish D. 6’2″, 196 lbs.

    http://www.inlouwetrust.com/2014/6/15/5805294/william-lagesson-2014-nhl-draft-prospect-profile

    A Klefbom klone?

  86. wheatnoil says:

    Sometimes when I’m feeling down and the Oilers are terrible, I can always look over at the Maple Leafs and smile. Thank you Toronto. Thank you.

  87. Caramel Obvious says:

    Ahhh, I knew they would blow it. Watson’s fall is a boon for someone.

  88. Younger Oil says:

    Another left handed defenceman.

    To be fair, he looks good on paper, but that is not what we need right now.

  89. Marc says:

    RexLibris:
    Just tuned in.

    Enjoying seeing some of the Flames’ picks so far.

    A goalie at #34, Smith at #54 and then the reach Hickey at #64.

    Pollock went right around where I’d expect him to. Too high, in my estimation, but like I said, he’s North American, big, and had a good playoffs, so of course a team is going to pick him up.

    Fingers crossed Mayo and Kulda last until the Oilers’ picks.

    And they just traded for Bollig.

    Don’t ever change Calgary. Don’t ever change.

  90. danny says:

    Oilers needed to up their team flow quotient since Smyth retired.

    Lagesson is the answer.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/455642743436767232/L933B_Y7.jpeg

  91. John Chambers says:

    How about Arctic Fox?

    Desert Fox was an homage to Rommel, so it covers the Panzer reference in a tasteful way, no?

  92. RexLibris says:

    Just a quick thought on the German debate going on right now.

    I understand the desire to find a nickname for Draisaitl that somehow references martial ability, but the limited focus on World War II stereotypes is a failure of the North American consciousness.

    Granted, the two world wars straddle German history like a Colossus, but there is a lot more to choose from than the period ranging from 1933 to 1945. There’s a history rich in philosophy, poetry, art and music that, when compared to the English and American equivalents leaves the latter far, far behind.

    Deutschland Dangler (DD for those inclined to double-entendres) just off the top of my head.

    For my part, I think the Oilers taking Draisaitl was a Goethe decision. *ba-dum-ching*

  93. Marc says:

    Caramel Obvious: I almost can’t process that trade.

    And the Leafs retained salary.

    Good Gord.

  94. Clarkenstein says:

    If I’m in Sweden looking for a career… I’m thinking Barbering might be the thing! Does anybody cut their hair?

  95. raventalon40 says:

    danny:
    I think his name should be Glorious Basterd.

    This

  96. raventalon40 says:

    Marc: And they just traded for Bollig.

    Don’t ever change Calgary. Don’t ever change.

    What’s wrong with that? Bollig is a great 4th line player.

  97. raventalon40 says:

    Clarkenstein:
    If I’m in Sweden looking for a career… I’m thinking Barbering might be the thing!Does anybody cut their hair?

    So it’s a bad career, because nobody cuts their hair?

  98. RexLibris says:

    Marc: And they just traded for Bollig.

    Don’t ever change Calgary. Don’t ever change.

    He got seven goals and seven assists last year and wears number 52 (5+2=7)!

    And who says the Flames aren’t into studying the underlying numbers on players.

  99. RexLibris says:

    Are they on a lunch break now? Can’t get the draft tracker to update past the Wild taking Belpedio.

    Come on people! Nothing matters until we get to #91!

  100. RexLibris says:

    Canucks pick up Vey for a 2nd.

    Interesting move, could be a good payoff as what I had read of Vey suggested he was nearly NHL-ready.

  101. VanOil says:

    A tasting note for the draft (and hopefully next 15 years)

    The finest thing to come out of Cologne (Köln) before Draisaitl (dry-saddle) the German Cowboy is Kölsch.

    Kölsch may just be the best beer in the world. Drinking Kölsch in a traditional Cologne beer hall should be on every beer lovers bucket list. Tiny (200ml) glasses that get replaced before you finish them. You don’t order more beer, you just have to ask them to stop bringing it by leaving your glass full or putting a beer mat on top. I prefer it to Munich’s beer halls.

    They do not export much Kölsch and many of the copies suck. Decent ones can be found in Chicago (I can’t remember the breweries name) and Mt. Begbie out of Revelstoke does a pretty good one. It is hard to find in BC because the Government has deemed that it is only stocked in 50 of 714 Liquor stores for reason all there own. In Alberta it is relatively easy to find (Sherbrooke will have it for sure).

    So have a Kölsch and then another. Just don’t drive your Ford another thing that comes from Cologne afterwards.

  102. Tarkus says:

    RexLibris:
    Are they on a lunch break now? Can’t get the draft tracker to update past the Wild taking Belpedio.

    Come on people! Nothing matters until we get to #91!

    Use NHL.com. Already into the 100′s.

  103. raventalon40 says:

    danny:
    Oilers needed to up their team flow quotient since Smyth retired.

    Lagesson is the answer.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/455642743436767232/L933B_Y7.jpeg

    Similar numbers to Oliver Ekman-Larsson in the Jr. league, not that I’m saying he will be just as good? A look at his hairdo is enough for me though.

  104. Caramel Obvious says:

    Was Lagesson the best D available on lowetide’s list?

  105. Lowetide says:

    Post up on Lagesson

  106. Tarkus says:

    Oilers pick Zachary Nagelvoort at #111. 6”2″ goaler at U of Michigan.

  107. Clarkenstein says:

    raventalon40: So it’s a bad career, because nobody cuts their hair?

    Reread and think about it!

  108. wordbird says:

    4. Zach Nagelvoort, G
    Freshman, University of Michigan (Big 10)
    Ht./Wt.: 6’2”/208 lbs.
    DOB: 1/30/94
    Catches: Left
    CSS Final ranking: 20th among North American goaltenders

    When the 2013-14 season began, Zach Nagelvoort wasn’t tapped as the Wolverines starting netminder. But that all changed when sophomore Steve Racine was injured in mid-October. The Holland, MI native went on to have a strong rookie campaign, posting an 11-9-3 record in 24 appearances. Nationally, Nagelvoort finished sixth with a .929 save percentage and 15th with a 2.20 goals-against average. He posted his lone shutout of the season on Nov. 22nd versus Niagara, earning him the first of his two Big Ten First Stars of the Week honors. In Michigan’s opening game in the Big Ten Tournament versus Penn State on Mar. 20th, Nagelvoort set a new school record for saves in a single game with 63. Most recently, he was named the co-recipient of Michigan’s Dekers Club Award as the team’s Rookie of the Year.

    Nagelvoort is a netminder with size who plays a butterfly style. His outstanding combination of a large frame, great reflexes, and excellent play down low can make him difficult to beat. Nagelvoort uses his leg strength remarkably well in moving laterally and collapsing down low. One notable area where Nagelvoort made great strides this season was in his confidence level. He’s a competitor that played with greater calmness and composure as the season progressed. This allowed him to be better in his positioning, in the tracking of plays, as well as limiting second and third chances. One of Nagelvoort’s best attributes and one that scouts have taken notice of is his excellent glove. It’s quick and he can make catches look easy. Nagelvoort is also an adept puck handler and does a good job of steering pucks away from the net.

  109. RexLibris says:

    Tarkus: Use NHL.com.Already into the 100′s.

    Much better, thanks.

  110. PunjabiOil says:

    Nice SV% fro that goalie. Not a bad pick at all.

  111. RexLibris says:

    A run on goalies in the 4th here.

  112. Deadman Waiting says:

    godot10: I am just challenging your ignorance of the historical significance of the word.

    How about we crack the surface of ignorance as a frozen lake? First off, a historical perspective on “history” itself:

    The word “swastika” comes from the Sanskrit svastika – “su” meaning “good” or “auspicious”.

    Panzer, however, is not a word of recent cultural expropriation.

    The word also refers to an animal’s protective shell or thick hide, as in Schildkrötenpanzer, ‘turtle shell’. It derives through the French pancier, ‘breastplate’, from Latin pantex, ‘belly, paunch’, and is possibly related to panus, ‘swelling’.

    In the sports context, Skrotumpanzer is sexist German slang for protective cup, so we can’t use it for that reason, either.

  113. One-Timer says:

    wordbird:
    In Michigan’s opening game in the Big Ten Tournament versus Penn State on Mar. 20th, Nagelvoort set a new school record for saves in a single game with 63.

    So he’ll fit right in with the Oil’s style of letting their goalies get shelled.

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