ETA KLEFBOM

When he came to us, Oscar Klefbom was the second piece of good news that day (Nuge being No. 1). He’s always been kind of “and don’t forget Oscar” when it comes to talking about the prospects, and he played in Sweden and they don’t appear often in the CHL schedule.

Klefbom arrived in North America last fall, and we heard nice things but they are also tempered with “he’ll need some time” type quotes. And they said that about Chris Hajt and Alex Plante too, so you never know.

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BARONS BLUE, SCORING JAN 01 TO MAR 15

  1. Brad Hunt 24, 7-20-27
  2. Taylor Fedun 28, 4-10-14
  3. Martin Gernat 25, 3-6-9
  4. Brandon Davidson 28, 3-6-9
  5. David Musil 27, 1-6-7
  6. Oscar Klefbom 18, 1-5-6

He arrived in Edmonton and looked like a newborn deer for the first few sorties, but as time elapsed you could see the neurons firing and the reaction improving. Oscar Klefbom—distant bell—was arriving, right on time.

  • Eakins: “He’s been night-and-day for me from those first 30 minutes he played for us. We still have to protect him a little bit — that’s the fair thing to do with a man of his experience — but so far, so good. He’s making progress.”

Eakins moved him up to over 15 minutes a night, and put the zone starts in lower Yemen to boot. The qual comp was low rider, but this was a rookie making himself useful as well as ornamental. It was, at the very least, a nice little substory at the end of the another ridiculous season.

oilers defense 13-14 with klefbom

Crazy graph. First of all, BLUE spotted in youthful areas (this is REL) including the kid from Sweden with the ZS in the 30s. Crazy Crazy. Let’s hammer it home with some help from Behind the Net.

KLEFBOM QUAL COMP

marincin qaul comp

I’m not absolutely certain why Klefbom appears to be playing tougher comp than Schultz (it is the opposite in the graph above) but it might have to do with Klefbom’s lack of playing time compared to Schultz. Either way, Klefbom wasn’t playing the soft parade upon arrival.

KLEFBOM ZONE START

klefbom zsAnd here’s the zone start proof. Now remember, these are his fist 17 NHL games we’re talking about here. I’ll refrain from discussing the decision to put him here, but the fact that he did it without suffering a fiery end is a good thing.

PARTNERS AT EVS

  1. Justin Schultz 126:26, 44.3 5×5 Corsi for % when together
  2. Mark Fraser 56:04, 46.4 5×5 Corsi for % when together

He played with other partners (here) but not much with anyone else. I’ve expressed this before in the last couple of months, but what if MacT CAN’T find a better option? This isn’t Taylor Chorney we’re discussing here, ladies. This is a first-round pick who developed in Sweden for two years after he was drafted and then came over here to fly sorties in Oklahoma territory.

He may have graduated to the NHL, and we may come to see that as a good thing. There are free agents available who do not offer an upgrade for the Oilers. It’s possible MacT’s ‘go with youth’ statement ends up being the best available plan?

Are you all ready for this?

CURRENT DEPTH CHART

  • Martin Marincin-Jeff Petry
  • Oscar Klefbom-Justin Schultz
  • Andrew Ference-????

Also in this series: ETA NURSE

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  1. nycoil says:

    I like Klefbom plenty, but that blue line next year will result in a lottery finish again.

    P.S. Stralman as mentor there for Klef looks good, especially as he seems comfortable playing both sides on D.

  2. godot10 says:

    Andrew Ference/Mike Green
    Marincin/Petry
    Klefbom/Schultz

    and Matt Greene as #7

    If not Mike Green, Bryan Campbell. If not Bryan Campbell, Tom Gilbert.

    Say Gagner for Brooks Laich and Mike Green.

  3. TheOtherJohn says:

    Klefbom is a good body, strong kid SUPERB skater. Expect he won’t add too much offense. Subject to injuries…… He will be 22 TOI top 4 D for 10 years maybe just not for a year or two.

    Man is that a shitty D

  4. Racki says:

    nycoil:
    I like Klefbom plenty, but that blue line next year will result in a lottery finish again.

    P.S. Stralman as mentor there for Klef looks good, especially as he seems comfortable playing both sides on D.

    With you 100%. The way I see it.. Klefbom and Marincin battle to be in the lineup, let alone 3rd pairing.. As good as they may be now. MacT has his work cut out for him. I’d go for a couple LHD.

  5. hoser313 says:

    We can’t have it both ways.

    If the team can sign a Glibert, Markov, Campbell, Letang or a Niskanen, great. But that’s probably not likely as teams will be lining up to bid on these players and also why would those guys come to a rebuilding club?

    Otherwise the choices are: A) sign a Matt Greene, Mark Fraser and/or Deryk Engelland to push Nurse and possibly Klefbom out of the line-up or B) throwing Klefbom for certain and likely Nurse to the wolves next year.

    Those are likely the 2 choices. Neither is good. I think there is a strong possibility we see a very young D (again) next year.

  6. Lowetide says:

    hoser313:
    We can’t have it both ways.

    If the team can sign a Glibert, Markov, Campbell, Letang or a Niskanen, great.But that’s probably not likely as teams will be lining up to bid on these players and also why would those guys come to a rebuilding club?

    Otherwise the choices are: A) sign a Matt Greene, Mark Fraser and/or Deryk Engelland to push Nurse and possibly Klefbom out of the line-up or B) throwing Klefbom for certain and likely Nurse to the wolves next year.

    Those are likely the 2 choices.Neither is good.I think there is a strong possibility we see a very young D (again) next year.

    It’s what I’m thinking, more and more. If you throw a bunch of money at all of the free agents, and only land Matt Greene, then you go the trade route. If the other guy wants Martin Marincin for Dennis Wideman, then you go with the kids and that’s the way it is.

    jmo. Well, and yours. :-)

  7. sumaclab says:

    Its been a long day but here it is. Would you carry 8 dmen if Eckblad is the guy you draft? One less forward.Which really the way that the 4th line has contributed in no sweat off anyone’s ass.

    My thought is that you go get another veteran like Greener and play him as your 5-6 guy and pair him every night with one of Klefbom,Eckblad and/or Marincin. You use 7 guys each game on the bench and sit one.

    The learning curve for the dmen has to happen.Just cannot avoid the pain.

    I think that going into training camp that you are going to have a plan for development of the defense.

    I included Eckblad because the pundits feel he is NHL ready. I take 8 dmen because I can spread the learning around.

    Fernuckle and Greener won’t have much more mileage to give and what they can offer is experience and leadership at a point in this teams development that absolutely cannot wait any longer to put these young men in a position on an NHL roster.

    The defence has to catch up to the likes of Hall/RNH and Ebs on the developmental curve.

    What difference will one 4th liner make to this teams long term success? IMO.It won’t.

  8. Lowetide says:

    Suma: I think that’s why they may be looking at Engelland. He’s a guy who can play up and back, depending on who is injured or sucking.

  9. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: Suma: I think that’s why they may be looking at Engelland. He’s a guy who can play up and back, depending on who is injured or sucking.

    I just wonder if he’ll be better at it than Philip Larsen would have been.

  10. Mr DeBakey says:

    Lowetide:
    Suma: I think that’s why they may be looking at Engelland. He’s a guy who can play up and back, depending on who is injured or sucking.

    Well
    Engelland will certainly fit the bill as a stand-in for the guys who suck.

  11. Mr DeBakey says:

    To echo the comments above

    Martin Marincin-Jeff Petry
    Oscar Klefbom-Justin Schultz
    Andrew Ference-????

    is not good enough.

    Lowetide will be featuring regular updates on 2015 Top-10 draft eligibles before Valentine’s Day if that’s the D.
    A Top-4 D must be added.
    And probably another 2/3 pairing guy.
    Discussions of Gagner’s fate [keep him] etc are meaningless without this addition.

    And I say ADD, not “Trade Petry for…”

  12. Lowetide says:

    spoiler: I just wonder if he’ll be better at it than Philip Larsen would have been.

    I think Larsen is a far superior player to Engelland or Greene, but Dallas Eakins wants that element on his team. Doesn’t seem to be any way to frame the issue another way.

  13. nycoil says:

    Lowetide,

    If the team really must go that route would Willie Mitchell on a one year deal with a bit of a high salary be better than multi year deals for Greene or Engelland? By no means is this my first choice of player type but in your scenario I prefer not to see the team saddled with a longer contract for a stop-gap with no foot speed. Mitchell gets hurt from time to time but could provide 60 games of truculence and experience as a bottom pairing guy?

  14. Gerta Rauss says:

    Lowetide: It’s what I’m thinking, more and more. If you throw a bunch of money at all of the free agents, and only land Matt Greene, then you go the trade route. If the other guy wants Martin Marincin for Dennis Wideman, then you go with the kids and that’s the way it is.

    jmo. Well, and yours.

    I’m preparing myself emotionally this summer for this result.

    I’m all for trading Eberle, Schultz, hell, pretty much anybody except Hall to improve this club, but it takes 2 to trade, and if the trades aren’t there–or the UFA signings–there isn’t much MacT can do about it. And he can’t afford to do anything stupid(nor should he)

    If that means another season wandering in the desert so be it

    Now, where is that list of 2015 draft prospects…?

  15. speeds says:

    hoser313:
    We can’t have it both ways.

    If the team can sign a Glibert, Markov, Campbell, Letang or a Niskanen, great.But that’s probably not likely as teams will be lining up to bid on these players and also why would those guys come to a rebuilding club?

    Otherwise the choices are: A) sign a Matt Greene, Mark Fraser and/or Deryk Engelland to push Nurse and possibly Klefbom out of the line-up or B) throwing Klefbom for certain and likely Nurse to the wolves next year.

    Those are likely the 2 choices.Neither is good.I think there is a strong possibility we see a very young D (again) next year.

    I agree that EDM may not get any of the highly sought after UFA D. However, I’m not sure that history shows us those D are great pickups. To illustrate, how upset should EDM fans reasonably be if someone else gets Orpik at a cost of 25M over 5 yrs?

    Last summer Hainsey (2M) and Gilbert (0.9M) were still floating around in September. This UFA market may not be historically great, but there is value there, EDM has money and ice time to give away. It is pretty unlikely IMO that there would be no one decent available in mid July, and if EDM has money and a ice time available, I’d be surprised if they couldn’t land anyone of quality. Could happen but history tells us someone decent will be available.

  16. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Man do I ever wish MacT would Buyout Ference

  17. nycoil says:

    LT, would it make sense to hook up with Slats one last time to get the other Richards? Had a bit of a bounce back year with a 54% CF. He no longer will be a 70pt C going forward but he can still make a pass and pot 20 goals.

    Speculation here in town is that the Rangers will use a compliance buyout on him with his high cap hit. Maybe the Oilers can take him off their hands with a minor asset going the other way while the Rangers retain some of his salary? $6.66m is too high but if it’s more like $5m and he can hold down 2C for 3 years until the kid we draft is ready to take over, maybe that works?

  18. speeds says:

    nycoil,

    Richards has a NMC, and no reason to waive it. By not waiving it, NYR either has to keep him, or buy him out prior to compliance buyout window ending. Due to cap recapture penalties and potential declining performance, he might reason NYR will buy him out now since it comes with no cap cost. Makes no sense for him to accept a trade if he thinks there’s a good chance he gets bought out, receives 2/3 of money owed, and can then sign as a UFA anywhere he wants anyways.

  19. Gerta Rauss says:

    That Bennett kid can barely lift that microphone

    Wimp

  20. OilClog says:

    nycoil:
    LT, would it make sense to hook up with Slats one last time to get the other Richards? Had a bit of a bounce back year with a 54% CF. He no longer will be a 70pt C going forward but he can still make a pass and pot 20 goals.

    Speculation here in town is that the Rangers will use a compliance buyout on him with his high cap hit. Maybe the Oilers can take him off their hands with a minor asset going the other way while the Rangers retain some of his salary? $6.66m is too high but if it’s more like $5m and he can hold down 2C for 3 years untilthe kid we draft is ready to take over,maybe that works?

    Richards doesn’t want to play in the west, he’s a horrible option as a offset to the Nuge.

    With talk of Boychuk being available.. How can we get him?

    With it appearing Statsny is going to hit the market.. Do you offer him more then what Halls making?

    Sutter out of Pitts would be an excellent target.

  21. Gerta Rauss says:

    Ekblad is a man already..wow

  22. nycoil says:

    I apologize. I thought Richards may waive his NMC in order to not get bought out. If he has incentive instead to go the Lecavalier route my plan doesn’t work.

    Also, I don’t want this to happen at all. I want no part of either Richards out there. No part of Engelland, Mitchell, Phaneuf either.

    I am throwing out lesser evils among horrible possible outcomes.

    Stastny will cost more than Hall for sure if he hits UFA. 20 teams could be interested. Still all signs point to him re-signing after June 20,

  23. Lowetide says:

    nycoil:
    LT, would it make sense to hook up with Slats one last time to get the other Richards? Had a bit of a bounce back year with a 54% CF. He no longer will be a 70pt C going forward but he can still make a pass and pot 20 goals.

    Speculation here in town is that the Rangers will use a compliance buyout on him with his high cap hit. Maybe the Oilers can take him off their hands with a minor asset going the other way while the Rangers retain some of his salary? $6.66m is too high but if it’s more like $5m and he can hold down 2C for 3 years untilthe kid we draft is ready to take over,maybe that works?

    I haven’t really looked at either Richards because of their contracts.

  24. LostBoy says:

    The options are make trades or run with youth on D. What’s available to Edmonton on the UFA market is what’s always been available, and what’s available to other near-league-bottom teams: journeymen 30-33 year olds looking for a comfortable 3 to 4 year overpay to set their families up securely. Those guys aren’t going to help. Did Ference help in any real way? There just aren’t many Steve Staioses out there (and when Staios signed at age 28, the Oilers were coming off a run of five consecutive playoff appearances).

    It’s been said a lot, but what’s needed is professional scouting to identify 25 year old trade targets in a position to step up with a new opportunity (the perfect Oiler example being Jason Smith).

    That’s what could help. Whale hunting (Phaneuf, Letang, whatever) is a long shot (though I’d take it, depending on the cost), you don’t get the chance to sign the Markovs of the world, and what you can sign is a bunch of 5-6-7 aging journeymen.

    It’s very likely that the department of youth on defense is the best available option. Marincin and Klefbom probably aren’t ready for the workload they might shoulder, but it’s not like they’ve been rushed, either. It would just be nice to have at least one solid 3-4 guy to help.

  25. nycoil says:

    If I were the Rangers I’d buy out Nash first.

  26. G Money says:

    nycoil: Stastny will cost more than Hall for sure if he hits UFA. 20 teams could be interested. Still all signs point to him re-signing after June 20,

    Stastny will probably cost $7M x 5 to get him here.

    I’m guessing if Stastny does end up back in COL, then ROR shakes free. His qualifying offer is well north of $6M thanks to the ol’ Feaster. It makes no sense for a team that already has Duchene, Mackinnon, and Landeskog to keep both ROR and Stastny at >$6M each.

    Not sure the Oil can convince either of those guys to come here, but they sure as hell better be trying.

  27. spoiler says:

    According to this article from USA Today, the Sabres considered trading Ehrhoff leading into the deadline and could still do so this summer.

  28. G Money says:

    LostBoy: What’s available to Edmonton on the UFA market is what’s always been available, and what’s available to other near-league-bottom teams: journeymen 30-33 year olds looking for a comfortable 3 to 4 year overpay to set their families up securely

    Fayne.
    Niskanen.

    Both just hitting their prime. Both UFA. Both legitimate Top 4 defensemen on decent teams. (At least – NJD are decent defensively). Both would help the Oilers tremendously.

  29. theres oil in virginia says:

    nycoil,

    I admittedly haven’t watched a lot of Rangers games, but every time I do watch, Richards looks awful. The game the other night featured him as the donkey (goat?).

  30. godot10 says:

    Manitoba Oilers:
    Man do I ever wish MacT would Buyout Ference

    Make no sense. It is a sunk cost. The buyout plus a replacement defensemen of the same quality would cost more than Ference, And one would be paying half of Ference’s salary 6 years.

    If he ends up being an expensive 7th defenseman in year 4 of the contract, that in the end will likely be cheaper than buying him out.

    The thing is to realize when you are in a hole, to stop digging.

    The priority should be trying to sign or trade for a veteran D to create a 2nd pairing quality pair with Ference. Say Mike Green, Bryan Campbell. Ference cannot carry a young guy, but is probably functional if he is playing with a competent veteran top 4 D.

  31. nycoil says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    Flawed team means less than ideal solutions. Was just kicking the tires. Kreider was the goat last game though, he coughed up the puck in 2OT.

  32. LostBoy says:

    G Money: Fayne.
    Niskanen.

    Both just hitting their prime.Both UFA.Both legitimate Top 4 defensemen on decent teams.(At least – NJD are decent defensively).Both would help the Oilers tremendously.

    Um, yes, there are some good players available in free agency who would help the Oilers tremendously.

    The argument isn’t about who is UFA this year, it’s about who Edmonton has any chance of signing.

  33. Gerta Rauss says:

    spoiler,

    The scuttlebutt–and really, it’s ALL scuttlebutt–is that Ehrhoff might waive but wants to stay in the East

  34. nycoil says:

    G Money,

    Colorado has ROR on the wing at the moment. We shall see what happens. They can easily move/keep their Cs on the wing. If they do trade one, seems like they’d want a legit, young top 4D going back. So would you do Nurse+ for ROR?

  35. spoiler says:

    G Money: Fayne.
    Niskanen.

    Niskanen is going to be expensive and will get to pick his home, if the Pens decide not to keep him. He’s not flying under anyone’s radar.

  36. theres oil in virginia says:

    nycoil,

    I was thinking of the ridiculously bad clearing attempt (under no pressure) that led to the 4-3 goal in the third and got LA back into it. He’s definitely Oilers-material!

  37. G Money says:

    LostBoy: The argument isn’t about who is UFA this year, it’s about who Edmonton has any chance of signing.

    Then I’m interested to hear what unique insider information you have on/from these guys that precludes Edmonton from signing either one.

    The Oilers will have to overpay whichever UFA(s) they sign, this is a given.

    This is entirely different from not having a chance of signing them. Neither player, especially Fayne, would be considered part of a “whale hunt”, so both should be legitimate targets for the Oilers.

    Your suggestion that the Oilers magically find and then trade for some undervalued asset is less realistic than signing either of those guys. Overpaying a UFA on a non-cap-strapped team is easier than finding a second party to engage in a trade using assets you don’t have for another asset that may not exist.

  38. godot10 says:

    The Oilers should focus on the D.

    There could be a ton of expensive and not so expensive centres on the market this summer. Stastny, O’Reilly, Richards squared, Grabovski, Legwand, Bolland, Kesler, Gagner, Bailey, Ott, Boyle, Goc, Thornton, Marleau

    Wait for the guy who can’t find a chair when the music stops, and get him for cheap. In the medium term, the Oilers are drafting the solution to their centre problem.

  39. nycoil says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    Ah yeah. Ha ha. Well he had an awful year last year but at least his advanced stats looked better this year. Never mind anyway. As others have pointed out, it isn’t going to work and wasn’t an ideal solution anyway to begin with.

  40. Gerta Rauss says:

    godot10: Wait for the guy who can’t find a chair when the music stops, and get him for cheap. In the medium term, the Oilers are drafting the solution to their centre problem.

    And they have Gagner in their back pocket. No need to do anything stupid

    edit-you mentioned Gagner-disregard

  41. nycoil says:

    Girardi was the goat in game 1 and that pinch right there to lay a hit is why you want skill over truculence.

  42. G Money says:

    nycoil,

    It’s not the positioning I’d think COL would be concerned with, it would be the salaries. Better to save $6M and move Landeskog back to centre, then have all of those guys and pay other C’s to play on the wing. It is speculation though, and you may be correct, COL may be perfectly happy to keep both guys at $6M+ each and push their other guys to the wing.

    As for trading for ROR – yeah, that’s a possibility. If COL is of the mindset that they’re going to let ROR go because of the size of his q.o., then he’s essentially an unsigned UFA from their perspective. So trade some asset for him, then make the qualifying offer.

    How much you trade for him I guess depends on whether the qualifying offer lasts for more than a year (I don’t think it does).

    Maybe a conditional trade – a third round pick if he takes the qualifying offer but then goes to UFA next year, maybe a pick+prospect if he signs for 3 years, and pick+prospect+player if he signs for 5 years.

    In any case, I’d be hard pressed to consider Nurse as part of that trade, as it currently stands, that young man is a little bit too important a part of the future.

  43. theres oil in virginia says:

    nycoil,

    3-0 right now, looks like series will be 3-0. It may be over before it gets back to NBC. Bums. I wonder who the goat is tonight.

  44. spoiler says:

    LostBoy: Um, yes, there are some good players available in free agency who would help the Oilers tremendously.
    The argument isn’t about who is UFA this year, it’s about who Edmonton has any chance of signing.

    Exaclty, Jadrain. Niskanen is arguably the most-coveted UFA defenseman of the summer.

    Plenty of comments from connected people that there is more trade buzz than normal this year, due to the weakness of the UFA market, so perhaps trade is the easier solution, if more costly.

    Fayne though, might be a guy you could woo over here if you did some serious romancingon July 1 while everyone is focused on Markov and Niskanen.

  45. LostBoy says:

    G Money,

    Well, I don’t think one needs insider information to notice that in the past four years, what we’ve been able to sign in the UFA market is…not Matt Niskanen. More Kurtis Foster, Cam Barker, and Andrew Ference.

    Why do you think this year is likely to be any different? Why would Niskanen want to sign in Edmonton, assuming the Pens let him walk?

    I was just expressing what seems plain from the results of the last multiple summers in a row. I don’t see anything that would make this summer different (if anything the buzz surrounding a bright future has dimmed).

    If you honestly think Niskanen would consider signing with the Oilers, more power to you. I’d certainly take him.

  46. spoiler says:

    Greene sure isn’t making a strong case for himself in these playoffs.

  47. VanOil says:

    Kelfbom’s likely role on the Oilers as the Schultz babysitter is one that will take significant seasoning. I would happy for him to be a super sub this year and to clearly beat out Ferrence for the job the following year. Welcome to the NHL kid please head straight to South Yemen.

    Adding to the Defense is my job number 1 for MacT this summer as the draft looks to provide a 2nd line Center of the future and keeping Gagner around until the kid can grab this role does not offend me. For all Gagner’s faults he is a legitimate NHL player. That can not be said of all the Oilers defenders.

    My successful summer benchmark remains; signing Petry and adding Kulikov + Fayne.

    If Mact adds only one of those two he will get partial marks. If he is able to upgrade one of those two too Erhoff or Campbell bonus points are available. Florida and Buffalo seem like good places to target defenders from because as teams they suck so need to make changes and one of the two are likely to add Ekblad to there rosters freeing up someone else.

  48. VanOil says:

    Having the Kings score early turns hockey into Italian football. http://www.extraskater.com/game/2014-06-09-kings-rangers

  49. Ca$h-Money! says:

    nycoil:
    I apologize. I thought Richards may waive his NMC in order to not get bought out. If he has incentive instead to go the Lecavalier route my plan doesn’t work.

    Also, I don’t want this to happen at all. I want no part of either Richards out there. No part of Engelland, Mitchell, Phaneuf either.

    I am throwing out lesser evils among horrible possible outcomes.

    Stastny will cost more than Hall for sure if he hits UFA. 20 teams could be interested. Still all signs point to him re-signing after June 20,

    Interesting thing about Stastny is that prior to this year he was widely derided as grossly overpaid on his current contract. He was for all intents and purposes the Horcoff of Colorado.

  50. nycoil says:

    Ca$h-Money!,

    Winning helps. But Stastny has been a good possession player for a while. And when he signed the contract his boxcars were phenomenal. So there might have been a perception he was overpaid once they dropped. I don’t recall anyone saying he was Horcoff level bad (ie trade for a #7D and a 6th).
    I think his contract number will be inflated due to the supply/demand imbalance. Good time to be a high end UFA this summer. Is his “real” value closer to $5m per? Maybe, but that clearly won’t cut it.

  51. theres oil in virginia says:

    VanOil:
    Having the Kings score early turns hockey into Italian football. http://www.extraskater.com/game/2014-06-09-kings-rangers

    Lots of rolling around on the grass faking serious injury?

  52. Gordies Elbow says:

    I’ve heard that Klefbom will be better than Marincin (heard it on TSN1260, this morning, on the drive in.) Can anyone explain why they believe that? And, what they believe that Klefbom’s upside is? Marincin seems like manna from heaven (-2 playing top four minutes as a 21-22 year old) – could Klefbom really be better than him?

  53. nycoil says:

    Totally off topic but what a night for Lonnie Chisenhall for the Tribe. 5-5, 3 HR, 9 RBI. Gagner-esque!

  54. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    remember when Larsen had a bad case of “Steve Smith” and have to take a Vicks Vapo Rub bath every night for a month?

  55. VanOil says:

    theres oil in virginia: Lots of rolling around on the grass faking serious injury?

    That is football in general. Italian football adds the exciting element that the team that is leading the game plays no offense what so ever.

  56. nycoil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I liked Larsen as a 4th line “rover” winger and would have used him as a point man on the 2nd unit PP next year. But yeah, he had a bad case of the cough (up the puck).

  57. Racki says:

    Quite content that Larsen signed a deal with the KHL.. last thing the Oilers need is to have him back, I’m afraid.

  58. One-Timer says:

    So the SCF turns into a victory lap for the Kings after the three epic battles to get out of the west. Expected as much.

    That youth D is veal. Other teams will be just shaking their heads in disbelief. “Seriously… MacT didn’t change ANYTHING from last year? Where’s the marinade?”

    This is just the reverse gear after the bold moves talk of last year – he knows something has to change. If it’s by the trade route, sending away wingers or Gagner (low current value) is not a satisfying solution. The centerpiece should be the 2015 1st. With that in mind, his dep’t of youth talk is a cagey way of lowballing the team.

    The question is: When, and at how much, will its value top out? It’s a tricky question concerning GM psychology.

  59. Zangetsu says:

    Gagner and 3 for grigorenko and 2?

  60. Hammers says:

    McT and company could target any of the following Stastny ; Jokinen ; Winnick ;Goc ; Moss ; Ott; Santorelli ; Grabovski ; Pouliot ; Stempniak ; Penner ;Hemsky ; Kulimen ; Niskanen ; Hainsy ; Fayne ; Ranger , Morris ; Nikitan ; and I would be happy if he could land any 2 or 3 of these UFA players who are proven NHL players . Frankly I would like a proven “D” & “C” but if all he can get are wingers I would be OK .

  61. Lowetide says:

    Hammers:
    McT and company could target any of the following Stastny ; Jokinen ; Winnick ;Goc ; Moss ; Ott; Santorelli ; Grabovski ; Pouliot ; Stempniak ; Penner ;Hemsky ;Kulimen ; Niskanen ; Hainsy ; Fayne ; Ranger , Morris ; Nikitan ; and I would be happy if he could land any 2 or 3 of these UFA players who are proven NHL players . Frankly I would like a proven “D” & “C” but if all he can get are wingers I would be OK .

    I think that’s a really good way of looking at it. Get good players, keep good players, and if the cards don’t give you everything this summer, hold back your water.

  62. spoiler says:

    Gordies Elbow: I’ve heard that Klefbom will be better than Marincin (heard it on TSN1260, this morning, on the drive in.) Can anyone explain why they believe that? And, what they believe that Klefbom’s upside is? Marincin seems like manna from heaven (-2 playing top four minutes as a 21-22 year old) – could Klefbom really be better than him?

    He’s doing it at a younger age. That’s big. He’s such a natural athlete too and a great skater. Marincin might have a little more offensive upside, but I’m not certain of it. A smart, confident version of Klefbom looks capable of a lot.

  63. Gordies Elbow says:

    spoiler,

    Thanks, I’ve heard about him, but it’s been a reach. Until they prove it in the NHL, I’m finding it difficult. Fan of Alexei Semenov – has me scared of the scouting reports….

  64. Lowetide says:

    spoiler: He’s doing it at a younger age. That’s big. He’s such a natural athlete too and a great skater. Marincin might have a little more offensive upside, but I’m not certain of it.A smart, confident version of Klefbom looks capable of a lot.

    Marincin can skate, but Klefbom can wheel. I don’t know if it’s going to result in a bunch of points ever, but Klefbom is always going to be ‘in the play’ no matter how far he’s out of the play. He can close a gap, and he’s just a kid.

  65. Loweblow says:

    The only thing I don’t like about Klefbom is that he tends to be injury prone, just hope that is in the past. He probably has the hardest shot amongst the Oilers D, needs to use it more. Never really has been given the chance on the PP, with the threat of that monster shot, defenders wouldn’t be rushing the point as much. Not sure of Schultz as a partner, both tend to move up in the play and Schultz is not known for his defensive play. In OKC Musil was great for covering up for Klefbom, they were the twin towers of old.
    The Oilers need a gritty veteran, someone that can lead this young D. Ference was a bust in that department, great ambassador off the ice, constant face palm on. M. Greene would be perfect in this role, yes he has his moments, but you’re signing him for his grit and leadership he supplies on the ice. The dumb contract MacTavish gave Ference is going to hurt the Oilers. Musil or B.Davidson might surprise some people and force MacTavish to do something, and you cannot have your Captain riding the pine. Can see Musil or Davidson coming up halfway through the season.

  66. Ivan says:

    Not sure if we should panic about it, but the Pens are sniffing around Todd Nelson, (along side of about 6 other coaches). Still, I’d hate to see him go, he’s done some excellent work in OKC, even if MacT didn’t even consider him for the Oil HC job.
    I doubt we get more than this season out of him anyhow, young coaches seem to be the current thing in the NHL.

  67. wintoon says:

    The UFA market is appealing because all it costs is money. You don’t have to surrender assets. The really effective way to build the D is to make a trade or two that brings back functional NHL calibre D Men.

    Having said this, should the Oilers focus on any of the following players? Bellemore, Campbell, Hainsey, Nikitin, Oduya, Stralman, Kulikov, Josi, Larrsson, Gormley or Pysyk. They all have skill and the ability to be functional on the Oilers blue line. I would really like to see MacT focus on 1 or 2 of these players.

  68. sliderule says:

    Lowetide,

    I kind of think Marincin in a race end to end would beat Klefbom and most of oiler forwards.Second in the oiler race skill and first when he was in junior gives you a hint.

    Klefbom is not as lanky as Marincin and has better turn and agility.

  69. Pouzar says:

    Skills comp FWIW

    Fastest Skater (seconds)

    1.Taylor Hall — 13.986

    2.Martin Marincin — 14.133

    3.Ryan Jones — 14.383

    4.Philip Larsen — 14.555

    5.Jordan Eberle — 14.862

  70. Bank Shot says:

    If Klefbom and Marincin are in the top four to start the season I can save myself heartache and stop watching in October.

    It boggles my mind that fans can put that much faith in completely unproven players. I kind of expect it now from Oilers management. There are some definite learning disabilities in place there.

    I think you can sign a number of combinations of veteran D and have a much better D-core than what the Oilers had at the end of last season. The players don’t have to be world beaters. They just need to have some level of experience and competence.

    Everyone was banking on Justin Schultz being a good option on the the top four last season and he was basically a train wreck. What happens if Marincin backslides? Another season of total terrible. The Oilers can’t afford to screw around any longer.

  71. Lowetide says:

    Bank Shot:
    If Klefbom and Marincin are in the top four to start the season I can save myself heartache and stop watching in October.

    It boggles my mind that fans can put that much faith in completely unproven players. I kind of expect it now from Oilers management. There are some definite learning disabilities in place there.

    I think you can sign a number of combinations of veteran D and have a much better D-core than what the Oilers had at the end of last season. The players don’t have to be world beaters. They just need to have some level of experience and competence.

    Everyone was banking on Justin Schultz being a good option on the the top four last season and he was basically a train wreck. What happens if Marincin backslides? Another season of total terrible. The Oilers can’t afford to screw around any longer.

    It isn’t a matter of putting faith in unproven players, it’s a matter of not getting killed in the trade market. I just put up a post on Johnny Boychuk, and Edmonton might be able to get him for Marincin or Klefbom.

    Would you do that deal? I would not.

  72. Pouzar says:

    WTF would be wrong with Marincin in the Top 4? or ideally, 2nd pairing?

    Can someone fill me in here?

    Guess I didn’t see him good and I can’t read PU Charts either.

    *confused*

  73. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide: It isn’t a matter of putting faith in unproven players, it’s a matter of not getting killed in the trade market. I just put up a post on Johnny Boychuk, and Edmonton might be able to get him for Marincin or Klefbom. Would you do that deal? I would not.

    No way. I am in the vast minority that thinks MM is our best d-man right now.

  74. nycoil says:

    Pouzar,

    I think lots of people here agree with you. The issue some of us have is with having MM, Klef, and Schultz all learning at the same time at the big league level. I think MM as a top 4 right now is just fine. Would prefer Klefbom play 25mins a night, all situations in OKC until Christmas, then call him up. He has been injury prone and missed a lot of time the last couple of years and that factors into part of it.

    I think most people here love MM and want to see him stay.

  75. rickithebear says:

    You want Dmen who are great against 1st comp.
    5 of the top 20 EVGA 1st comp Dmen do it without 1st or 2nd teamates and only 7 are dmen are better than league average 2.33 EVGA/60
    Lovejoy 1.60
    Bellimore 1.73
    Oduya 1.94
    Fowler 1.98
    Marincin 2.08
    ————————————– top 20 tough comp
    Hamonic 2.30
    A. Greene 2.33

    We are starting our D base with one the best Tough comp Dmen last year.

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