LOUD NOISES 3: HOLD ON!

You and I have followed these kids from the high school grad and their farm work, and watched them make their first, uneasy steps onto NHL ice. The Oilers have a hideous record for developing NHL defensemen through the system, so about 12 years from now we’ll probably be talking about the best homegrown crop of blue to pass through Edmonton.

Ever.

NHL GAMES PLAYED BY OILER DRAFT PICKS, BLUE, 1979-2014

  1. Paul Coffey 1409
  2. Kevin Lowe 1254
  3. Tom Poti 824
  4. Steve Smith 804
  5. Jeff Beukeboom 804
  6. Matt Greene 504
  7. Geoff Smith 462
  8. Brad Werenka 320
  9. Francois Leroux 249
  10. Jeff Petry 236

The current prospect list (Marincin, Klefbom, Nurse, others) should start climbing that list by 2016-17, and one or more should climb into the top five by the mid 2020′s. I’ll write something nice. :-)

Nikita Nikitin was selected in Round 5 of the 2004 draft, he is among the very best players taken in that round. The best player is Mikhail Grabovski but Kris Versteeg has done some nice things too. Mike Brown went in that round, Oilers took Bryan Young (17 games), Jake Dowell has spent time in the NHL. Nikitin, should he be acquired by Edmonton, will give the team more actual NHL experience and that’s a very good thing.

CURRENT CAREER NHL GP FOR PROJECTED OILERS DEFENSE IN 2013-14

  1. Andrew Ference 831
  2. Jeff Petry 236
  3. Nikita Nikitin 206
  4. Justin Schultz 122
  5. Martin Marincin 44
  6. Oscar Klefbom 17

For me, that’s the key to the deal. NHL experience, actual NHL players. We know the kids will play some this year, there are always injuries on defense, but this pushes Klefbom back to the farm, and maybe pushes Nurse back to junior (after 9 games, I don’t see him getting sent straight down).

STILL TO COME (ADDITIONS)

I’ve been beating this drum for awhile, but I think we have to prepare ourselves for some dynamite placed in the foundation. It goes back to last season, when Craig MacTavish brought a lot of people back, and I think he might feel like they fooled him.

Not again.

In There Will be Blood, I made a list of things we could see:

  • Nail Yakupov is or will be available in a ‘impact prospect re-set’ should the opportunity arise. Nail for NY Islanders No. 5 overall, as an example.
  • Sam Gagner traded. If MacT is going to build up the middle, moving 89 out of there is job 1. After that, a move to wing is possible, but unlikely unless David Perron is vital to a huge deal.
  • No. 3 overall available for the right price. Oilers would trade back, not out, of top 10 overall.
  • Jeff Petry is in that exact spot where Oiler draft picks begin to get paid. Many get the bowling pin.
  • Martin Marincin is the young defenseman most vulnerable.
  • The Pinizzotto contract may end up being a bigger deal than we thought at the time.
  • Fewer Grebeshkov-style bets—”hey, he was good 5 years ago and says he’ll get in shape”—a more focused summer ahead.
  • Leon Draisaitl.
  • Free agency: Mark Spector had a killer article up the other day, based on his and MacT’s verbal I would say the club might go hard after a center (Grabovski, Legwand) and a helpful winger (Kulemin, Winnik, Moss).

I think Nikitin qualifies under “fewer Grebeshkov-style bets” as he’s more formidable than Anton Belov but from the same tree as a player. Remember, MacT is also going to be adding some forwards via free agency this summer, he said 5 additions. It could be more, depending on what happens at the draft.

In Moving Parts I wrote about most of the available players and what we might see in return for them. I included Jeff Petry and Martin Marincin on that list, along with forwards Nail Yakupov, Sam Gagner and David Perron.

Dynamite. Under the foundation. The clock is ticking. I don’t think this team makes it to July 1 as it stands.

  • Goal: Ben Scrivens, Viktor Fasth
  • LD: Martin Marincin, Nikita Nikitin, Andrew Ference
  • RD: Jeff Petry, Justin Schultz, Oscar Klefbom
  • C: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Sam Gagner, Boyd Gordon, Mark Arcobello, Anton Lander
  • L: Taylor Hall, Nail Yakupov, Matt Hendricks, Jesse Joensuu, Luke Gazdic
  • R: Jordan Eberle, David Perron, Iiro Pakarinen, Tyler Pitlick, Steve Pinizzotto

 

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  1. gd says:

    If I was MacT I would realize the necessary goal for this year is to move up to about 21st place and give Yak the best chance to maximize his potential. The moves I would like to see in the next two weeks would be go hard after Grabo/Kulemin then also sign Goc if Leon is their draft pick and then I am okay with them signing two legit but mediocre veteran Dmen like Nikitin and Weaver. I believe the best move with Gagner is to right wing as I just don’t see him having any trade value at this time.

    My reasonable lineup then is :

    Hall-RNH-Eberle Kulemin-Grabo-Yak Perron-Goc-Gagner Hendrick-Gordon-Lander
    Marancin-Petry Ference-Schultz Nikitin-Weaver

    I believe that lineup at least is competitive and allows them to potentially use Perron, Petry and the young D as trade chips for a top 2 Dman.

  2. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    couple of random points from the past few days.

    1. MacT said something to the effect that they are looking for a mid-20s puck moving D. That rules out a few of the candidates we might suspect. Might be less Phaneuf/Coburn and more Kulikov, Larsen or something in the same age but more established. Myers?

    2. MacT said the other day he fully expected signing Petry.

    3. Bob Stauffer mentioned today that Petry might end up with a 1 year deal and Schultz will probably be offered a long term deal (on the lines of McDonagh’s) but that he expects Schultz’ agent to look for a bridge deal

  3. Woodguy says:

    I wouldn’t pencil in Nikitin unless he signs.

    Something big is coming.

    Due MacT chasing Clarkson and the Ference deal I fear it.

    MacT did say on Gregor’s show that if he adds a significant piece that the player will be 27ish years old.

    That makes me fear it a hair less, but only a hair.

  4. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    couple of random points from the past few days.

    1. MacT said something to the effect that they are looking for a mid-20s puck moving D. That rules out a few of the candidates we might suspect. Might be less Phaneuf/Coburn and more Kulikov, Larsen or something in the same age but more established. Myers?

    2. MacT said the other day he fully expected signing Petry.

    3. Bob Stauffer mentioned today that Petry might end up with a 1 year deal and Schultz will probably be offered a long term deal (on the lines of McDonagh’s) but that he expects Schultz’ agent to look for a bridge deal

    Apparently they offered Jultz the identical deal to McDonagh and it was refused.

    I don’t see MacT going long right away if Jults wants north of $5MM.

    He hasn’t shown shit to deserve it.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    I wouldn’t pencil in Nikitin unless he signs.

    Something big is coming.

    Due MacT chasing Clarkson and the Ference deal I fear it.

    MacT did say on Gregor’s show that if he adds a significant piece that the player will be 27ish years old.

    That makes me fear it a hair less, but only a hair.

    True, you can’t be sure until he arrives. Still, Howson must have back channels.

  6. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: Apparently they offered Jultz the identical deal to McDonagh and it was refused.

    I don’t see MacT going long right away if Jults wants north of $5MM.

    He hasn’t shown shit to deserve it.

    That sounds about right.

    If he won’t sign that deal as an RFA that’s struggled, the back-pocket option of the bridge deal makes sense.

  7. gd says:

    I feel reasonable bets that MacT should be making, when making his long-term decisions;

    -This team needs to trust that they have at least 2 legit top 4 Dmen among Marancin/Klefbom/Nurse other young guys, within 3 years or this rebuild is definitely limited. The Oilers need to do whatever they can from a coaching/development/communication to maximize the odds
    -Whoever they take at #3 will be a legit top 2 Centre within three years if they take the right guy
    -The hiring of Ramsey at least gives Eakins a legit chance to prove whether he is a NHL coach. I’m assuming he realizes he will probably not get another NHL job if this season is as much a disaster as last and is going to coach like his life depends on it. I am happy that it looks like Bylsma is not getting a job so at least he is sitting in the wings if this year is a disaster.

    The rebuild is at least two years behind where it should be, but we can’t change that, especially with the California teams in their divisions, but smart moves should put them in the playoffs in 2015-16. The key is signing real NHLers at not “breaking the bank” longterm contracts. That includes Petry and Schultz.

  8. spoiler says:

    LT said…

    •No. 3 overall available for the right price. Oilers would trade back, not out, of top 10 overall.

    How do we know they wouldn’t trade out of the top 10? Or even that they wouldn’t trade the pick for players and no return pick, given the right deal?

  9. nycoil says:

    Woodguy:
    I wouldn’t pencil in Nikitin unless he signs.

    Something big is coming.

    Due MacT chasing Clarkson and the Ference deal I fear it.

    MacT did say on Gregor’s show that if he adds a significant piece that the player will be 27ish years old.

    That makes me fear it a hair less, but only a hair.

    http://www.extraskater.com/player/22/kris-letang

    Signs point to this.
    27.
    Pens need cap space and a shakeup is coming
    Big contract about to kick in and the Oilers have the room to absorb an expensive contract
    Is the injury history risky? Yes. Would he be available if he didn’t have that injury history? No chance.

  10. nycoil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: That sounds about right.

    If he won’t sign that deal as an RFA that’s struggled, the back-pocket option of the bridge deal makes sense.

    This has been the verbal from Stauffer for a few weeks now. Schultz’s camp won’t settle for the McDonagh deal. Therefore next best option is a bridge for everyone because he sure as heck isn’t worth the Hall contract.

  11. spoiler says:

    I will say this… I think it is far less likely today that the Oilers are picking up both Schenns, unless this is some sort of negotiating tactic. And I would expect that they think they can sign Nikitin for less money than either Smid or Luke… otherwise what’s the damn point?

    Would have liked an NHLer of that age though with more games than Petry. Not a lot more, but certainly not less.

    I do like that he had more TOI, prior to this year, than Fayne had been seeing. I think there’s a good chance Nikitin is the better Dman right now, especially considering Portzline’s comments that the drop wasn’t due to ability but rather other up-and-comers.

  12. rickithebear says:

    When do Dmen move the puck?
    At even
    How do they do it ?
    Carry it up or transition passes
    What results?
    Even assists.
    Who is really good at it.
    Nikitin and petry before Aekins.

  13. spoiler says:

    nycoil: http://www.extraskater.com/player/22/kris-letang

    Signs point to this.
    27.
    Pens need cap space and a shakeup is coming
    Big contract about to kick in and the Oilers have the room to absorb an expensive contract
    Is the injury history risky? Yes. Would he be available if he didn’t have that injury history? No chance.

    I think it is Letang too. That’s my suspicion. Unless somehow Buy Foog is available from Winnipeg, but I think he would cost more than Letang in assets. Possibly Myers, but I think Letang is the one. Then Pitt can sign Niskanen.

  14. spoiler says:

    No love for B. Richards as a bridge at 2C for 2-3 years?

  15. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    http://www.capgeek.com/player/482

    he’s got clauses that kick in this Summer.

    Deal would have to get done before July 1st? no?

    xxxx-Letang
    nikitin-xxxx
    ference-schultz

    I left petry/marincin off because presumably one (or both!) are going the other way.

  16. Lowetide says:

    spoiler:
    LT said…

    •No. 3 overall available for the right price. Oilers would trade back, not out, of top 10 overall.

    How do we know they wouldn’t trade out of the top 10?Or even that they wouldn’t trade the pick for players and no return pick, given the right deal?

    We don’t. I didn’t get tablets from a mountain telling me, I’m guessing they want to acquire a player who they feel could be a jack or king.

  17. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    spoiler:
    No love for B. Richards as a bridge at 2C for 2-3 years?

    I’d guess he wants Vinny’s deal from last year with Philly.

  18. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: We don’t. I didn’t get tablets from a mountain telling me, I’m guessing they want to acquire a player who they feel could be a jack or king.

    I noticed you said nothing about the burning bush though, lol!

  19. Lowetide says:

    As long as he’s over his health issues, would love to see Letang here. We talked about him last summer, and interesting Paajarvi reference too

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2013/06/names-in-play-letang.html

  20. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    spoiler:
    I will say this… I think it is far less likely today that the Oilers are picking up both Schenns, unless this is some sort of negotiating tactic.And I would expect that they think they can sign Nikitin for less money than either Smid or Luke… otherwise what’s the damn point?

    Would have liked an NHLer of that age though with more games than Petry.Not a lot more, but certainly not less.

    I do like that he had more TOI, prior to this year, than Fayne had been seeing. I think there’s a good chance Nikitin is the better Dman right now, especially considering Portzline’s comments that the drop wasn’t due to ability but rather other up-and-comers.

    How much weight would you give his KHL games?

    http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/n/nikitni01.html

    I’m not sold he’s better than Fayne.

  21. Lowetide says:

    spoiler: I noticed you said nothing about the burning bush though, lol!

    Well, I don’t want to scare anyone. :-)

  22. Woodguy says:

    nycoil: http://www.extraskater.com/player/22/kris-letang

    Signs point to this.
    27.
    Pens need cap space and a shakeup is coming
    Big contract about to kick in and the Oilers have the room to absorb an expensive contract
    Is the injury history risky? Yes. Would he be available if he didn’t have that injury history? No chance.

    Yup.

    Word is they want to dump Neal too.

    Yak + 3rd OA + Marincin +? for Neal and Letang?

  23. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    As long as he’s over his health issues, would love to see Letang here. We talked about him last summer, and interesting Paajarvi reference too

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2013/06/names-in-play-letang.html

    Lot of Dee Ess in that thread.

    Funny how he doesn’t come around as often when the Dys miss the playoffs, go from 2 good goalies to none and 2C Jesus-winning-the-SelkewhenMaholtrAndSedinDidTheHeavyLifting-Kessler wants out of Paradise.

  24. Lowetide says:

    Plus they hired a coach from the minor leagues! IT’s a golden era for the Canucks!

  25. fifthcartel says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    http://www.capgeek.com/player/482

    he’s got clauses that kick in this Summer.

    Deal would have to get done before July 1st? no?

    xxxx-Letang
    nikitin-xxxx
    ference-schultz

    I left petry/marincin off because presumably one (or both!) are going the other way.

    If the age is ~27/28 then I wonder if his target is Mike Green? He has one year left, from Alberta, but the only thing is he’s a RH shot. So a Green-Petry pairing probably isn’t likely. Although, I think Marincin-Green could be a very good duo.

    My dream scenario that could almost actually happen -

    Marincin-Green
    Nikitin-Petry
    Ference-J.Schultz

  26. alice13 says:

    I fail to understand moving Marincin for an “upgrade”.

    He put up good stats at a low cap hit on a shitty NHL team. In LT-speak, he would be a ‘real NHL player’.

    Other than (higher) GP, Salary, and Age, somebody explain to me by what metric he’s going to be “improved” upon.

  27. Racki says:

    Woodguy: Apparently they offered Jultz the identical deal to McDonagh and it was refused.

    I don’t see MacT going long right away if Jults wants north of $5MM.

    He hasn’t shown shit to deserve it.

    Wow, fully agree. That sucks. I figured they’d be working on a bridge deal anyways though.

  28. Woodguy says:

    alice13:
    I fail to understand moving Marincin for an “upgrade”.

    He put up good stats at a low cap hit on a shitty NHL team.In LT-speak, he would be a ‘real NHL player’.

    Other than (higher) GP, Salary, and Age,somebody explain to me by what metric he’s going to be “improved” upon.

    3 things.

    1) We love Marincin as much as you do. He announced his presence with authority. Unreal.

    2) We include Marincin because he feel the org doesn’t value him as much as we do.

    3) Young Dmen don’t progress in a straight line. There’s every chance he has a tough 14/15

  29. Jon K says:

    Woodguy: Lot of Dee Ess in that thread.

    Funny how he doesn’t come around as often when the Dys miss the playoffs, go from 2 good goalies to none and 2C Jesus-winning-the-SelkewhenMaholtrAndSedinDidTheHeavyLifting-Kessler wants out of Paradise.

    Funny? More like awesome.

  30. Lowetide says:

    alice13:
    I fail to understand moving Marincin for an “upgrade”.

    He put up good stats at a low cap hit on a shitty NHL team.In LT-speak, he would be a ‘real NHL player’.

    Other than (higher) GP, Salary, and Age,somebody explain to me by what metric he’s going to be “improved” upon.

    He isn’t a 25 minute a night, hair on his ass defenseman starting in October. EDM needs that guy, and have to give to get.

  31. oilspillcali says:

    Hey LT

    What do you think Nikitin’s asking price is? I feel like he could pull a Dan Boyle and refuse to sign with us and test his metal in free agency, unless MacT shells it out for him and I really feel like an overpay for Nikitin could turn out way worse then it could be if he really produces for us.

  32. Lowetide says:

    oilspillcali:
    Hey LT

    What do you think Nikitin’s asking price is? I feel like he could pull a Dan Boyle and refuse to sign with us and test his metal in free agency, unless MacT shells it out for him and Ireally feel like an overpay for Nikitin could turn out way worse then it could be if he really produces for us.

    Three times times well more than $3M. That’s just a guess though.

  33. oliveoilers says:

    Woodguy:
    I wouldn’t pencil in Nikitin unless he signs.

    Something big is coming.

    Due MacT chasing Clarkson and the Ference deal I fear it.

    MacT did say on Gregor’s show that if he adds a significant piece that the player will be 27ish years old.

    That makes me fear it a hair less, but only a hair.

    How old is Shea Weber? Do we still have the rights to O’Mark?

  34. Woodguy says:

    oliveoilers: How old is Shea Weber?Do we still have the rights to O’Mark?

    Seamus O’Mark is on a farm now, playing free with his friends.

  35. oliveoilers says:

    Woodguy: Seamus O’Mark is on a farm now, playing free with his friends.

    Elsie the lion. Makes me happy.

  36. OilClog says:

    Woodguy: Yup.

    Word is they want to dump Neal too.

    Yak + 3rd OA + Marincin +? for Neal and Letang?

    Would rather have Buff and Kane coming back if that’s what I’m giving up.

  37. Dicky94 says:

    OilClog,

    If your going to move the 3rd overall pick ,there had better be a very good player who can play center coming back plus their 1st and no team out of the top ten. J Stall, Kadri, for example.

  38. OilClog says:

    Dicky94:
    OilClog,

    If your going to move the 3rd overall pick ,there had better be avery good player who can play center coming back plus their 1st and no team out of the top ten.J Stall, Kadri, for example.

    I’d take Kane over Neal, could you imagine Hall and Kane. Lordy

    I’d take Big B over Letang at this point in their career expectancy.

    Would I like a couple middle men.. Sure would!!

    Let’s look at free agency.. Look at em all!

  39. OilClog says:

    Oilers shouldn’t break any banks for Jultz, he’s the core piece I would turn over. Unless a Gord creates a miracle and Ramsay has some sort of black magic, he’ll never be worth near 5.

  40. RexLibris says:

    Oh, look. The Eskimos are losing (badly) to the Riders.

    The more things change…*sigh*

  41. Woodguy says:

    OilClog: Would rather have Buff and Kane coming back if that’s what I’m giving up.

    I’m not sure.

    I’ve loved Neal since his shit kicked the Oilers all on his own one night when he was a rookie.

    Ate Staois’ lunch all night long.

  42. FastOil says:

    Woodguy: Apparently they offered Jultz the identical deal to McDonagh and it was refused.

    I don’t see MacT going long right away if Jults wants north of $5MM.

    He hasn’t shown shit to deserve it.

    If that is true it’s time to cut bait. Trade him for the 1D. He does not have enough to do anything at his age but hang his head after a terrible season. Good players might lose points but don’t play like crap because the coach sucks. Schultz played like crap and I don’t think he is going to change much at this point. Become decent, perhaps, become great, not now. It’s past for him at this age.

    Look at the high end D in the league. The cream rises pretty soon. The 5 years is for average or lesser players.

    Schultz’ offense doesn’t overwhelm at the NHL level, just another hot shot that, against all that is comprehensible, at 6′ 2-4 “, 24 YO, can’t break 190 in a really physical game at the highest level. I’m a lanky 6′ 2″ and 205 fit without working out for a living, or at all. Maybe he is a slighter build, but I’m not heavy boned, and that is too skinny at that height for the NHL.

    I say that is why he avoids D zone coverage, because he is getting his ass kicked battling men. And he isn’t using skill and brains to win battles like Lidstrom. He’s shown offense only like Gagner but doesn’t produce enough to cover the bet. Doesn’t work at this level.

    Don’t forget that the other sub 190 D you will rebut with are typically 6′ or under. The extra 3-4″ makes him a ridiculously skinny athlete in a tough game. Let’s not mention Marincin. It’s why the team keeps mentioning training.

    Being a talented player is great, but it’s a long road to a long career. Ask the Richards, Brad and Mike, both high paid vet players on the edge because of size and training. Koivu, Alfredsson and Selanne are how that looks done right. Get as strong as you can and have massive cardio.

    It’s not an experience thing, it’s attitude, like Gagner. Lots of players have skill, not many the discipline to be the top at the top level. Training, commitment to the team first, it is not an easy thing to do or more would. Every game shows improvement for the keepers.

  43. anonymous says:

    Rejecting a deal identical to Mcdonagh should be enough reason to trade him. Can’t believe it was offered. Maybe I’ve just seen him really bad.

  44. Dicky94 says:

    OilClog,

    I agree with you on Letang. Seriously have to avoid him. Shultz will be the same type of player in time. As for Kane I’m not sure what to think? I live in Manitoba and hear a lot of negative things about him. The games I have gone to he just looks lazy. He shoots a ton only because he couldn’t pass to save his life. Would take Big Buff any day . Play him at forward though.

  45. RexLibris says:

    RexLibris:
    Oh, look. The Eskimos are losing (badly) to the Riders.

    The more things change…*sigh*

    Esks ahead 16-14.

    Hmm, this leads me to conclude…

    EskssuckEskssuckEskssuckEskssuck…

    *watches scoreline closely for Karmic response*

  46. alice13 says:

    “He isn’t a 25 minute a night, hair on his ass defenseman starting in October. EDM needs that guy, and have to give to get.”

    With respect, we don’t know that he isn’t. “Hair on his ass” sounds more OTC than Moneyball. Nick Schultz has hair on his ass. There’s plenty more where he came from.

    So again, since this is a numbers-friendly enclave, find me anyone who is going to deliver appreciably better than Marincin, the appreciably to cover the difference in salary and fewer years in his future.

    Marincin may still be a kid and near-rookie, but if he can play defence – which is his job – both of those things Increase his value to the club, owing to his lower salary and greater future potential and/or longevity. I’m not at all convinced an upgrade exists. If there are better defencemen needed then trade someone who isn’t a better defenceman to get one. Then you’d have, like, two :-)

  47. Lowetide says:

    alice13:
    “He isn’t a 25 minute a night, hair on his ass defenseman starting in October. EDM needs that guy, and have to give to get.”

    With respect, we don’t know that he isn’t.“Hair on his ass” sounds more OTC than Moneyball. Nick Schultz has hair on his ass. There’s plenty more where he came from.

    So again, since this is a numbers-friendly enclave, find me anyone who is going to deliver appreciably better than Marincin, the appreciably to cover the difference in salary and fewer years in his future.

    Marincin may still be a kid and near-rookie, but if he can play defence – which is his job – both of those things Increase his value to the club, owing to his lower salary and greater future potential and/or longevity. I’m not at all convinced an upgrade exists. If there are better defencemen needed then trade someone who isn’t a better defenceman to get one. Then you’d have, like, two :-)

    One of the things we need to remind ourselves is that there’s a big difference between 44 games experience and established level of ability. If you don’t like ‘hair on his ass’ then we can change it to 24 minute a night defenseman who can play big EV minutes and throw in on at least one special team.

    I think you have to consider giving up one of these young men if needed in order to get that player. I’m using Marincin as proxy for that guy, but it could be Klefbom or Nurse.

  48. alice13 says:

    That’s fair, but if it’s nothing but his age that makes us think he Can’t do those things, then I’d prefer to keep him and find out rather than pay for what may be simply a longer resume.

  49. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: One of the things we need to remind ourselves is that there’s a big difference between 44 games experience and established level of ability. If you don’t like ‘hair on his ass’ then we can change it to 24 minute a night defenseman who can play big EV minutes and throw in on at least one special team.

    I think you have to consider giving up one of these young men if needed in order to get that player. I’m using Marincin as proxy for that guy, but it could be Klefbom or Nurse.

    If I had to choose, I’d opt for Klefbom.

    He has the draft and international pedigree, but his offense likely isn’t going to come and his injury history scares me. Marincin has arrived, to some extent, and even if he craters like Tyler Myers, there is still lots of time left to level off. Nurse looks to me like he is darned near untouchable.

  50. Southern Oil says:

    RexLibris: If I had to choose, I’d opt for Klefbom.

    He has the draft and international pedigree, but his offense likely isn’t going to come and his injury history scares me. Marincin has arrived, to some extent, and even if he craters like Tyler Myers, there is still lots of time left to level off. Nurse looks to me like he is darned near untouchable.

    You echoed my thoughts exactly. From the verbal of the organization though, I am afraid they don’t agree.

  51. RexLibris says:

    Esks beat the Riders 19-14.

    LT, because it’s preseason, maybe have a light beer and then another? Save the good stuff for next week.

  52. Rod from Viking says:

    I don’t agree with Schultz wanting more than $5mil a year but put yourself in his shoes,(skates) he picked the Oilers because of all the promises and hall of fame boys on the bus calling him. Eberle, Hall and RNH all got $6mil contacts and Schultz is considered to be in the “core” with those guys. Hall is the only one so far that is earning his and I guess Schultz’s camp can say Mac T is paying RNH on potential as much as performance and they want the same deal.

  53. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris:
    Esks beat the Riders 19-14.

    LT, because it’s preseason, maybe have a light beer and then another? Save the good stuff for next week.

    I’m hearing from Mrs. Lowetide about it being 14-2 when the Roughrider starters left the field. Yeesh! PLEASE let it be a better summer.

  54. Hammers says:

    oilspillcali:
    Hey LT

    What do you think Nikitin’s asking price is? I feel like he could pull a Dan Boyle and refuse to sign with us and test his metal in free agency, unless MacT shells it out for him and Ireally feel like an overpay for Nikitin could turn out way worse then it could be if he really produces for us.

    Probable cost is $ 10 mill for 3 years . Still time for a few AHL players to prove themselves .

  55. Rod from Viking says:

    Lowetide,

    Lowetide, she does have a point, you both can say your team did well tonight.

  56. Hammers says:

    alice13:
    I fail to understand moving Marincin for an “upgrade”.

    He put up good stats at a low cap hit on a shitty NHL team.In LT-speak, he would be a ‘real NHL player’.

    Other than (higher) GP, Salary, and Age,somebody explain to me by what metric he’s going to be “improved” upon.

    This is one I agree with LT & others on . Trades are really about what you will give up for what it is you want .The best trades in my opinion are when both teams get what they both need or want . Sometimes that’s dumping contracts but most of the time they are hockey trades good for both teams . Wishing we can give up an AHL player for an NHL player is really dumb . Getting true value is what good GM’s do . The only reason we got Perron for Paarvii plus a 2nd was St Louis had to dump some salary so we won . Don’t expect that every year .

  57. Lowetide says:

    Hammers: Probable cost is $ 10 mill for 3 years . Still time for a few AHL players to prove themselves .

    Yep, seems completely reasonable. Now watch people go crazy!

  58. Lowetide says:

    Rod from Viking:
    Lowetide,

    Lowetide, she does have a point, you both can say your team did well tonight.

    NO NO NO! :-) I’m just happy the Eskimos got a W. Been forever.

  59. PLUGGER says:

    Really if Jultz is turning down $5MM, he is the trade bait. Has been talked up and promoted insanely so there should be max value. I don’t know what MacT envisions him becoming, but, I hope he changes his rose coloured glasses when Rutherford comes calling. If he had actually signed in Anaheim would he even be on the team? Maybe on the farm!
    I want to have playoff hope for this coming season, however, there is just too many teams ahead of them. Selling or trading any good prospects to move up 1 spot in Western Conference when you need 10 changes on this team to seriously compete would turn into infini build. Thanks!

  60. misfit says:

    I’m pretty sure the McDonaugh thing was Stauffer (or someone) talking about Schultz and said something along the lines of “I dont think Schultz would take the McDonaugh deal if it was offered to him”. It wasn’t “the Oilers have offered him a deal similar to McDonaugh which he refused”.

    In other words, it was an opinion, not a report.

  61. Rod from Viking says:

    Lowetide,

    It could easily be a Smid type contract like that or even a bit more, what could he make in the KHL?
    Didn’t Belov sign for more than that?

  62. rickithebear says:

    Letand is an elite offensive Dman when playing with malkin; Crosby; Kunitz.
    Below average without.
    niskanen is a elite offensive Dman with crosby , malkin, Kinitz.
    niaskanen is an above average Offensive Dman without Crosby, Malkin, Kunitz.

    Which one scares you more.
    My answer is A.

  63. Lowetide says:

    Rod from Viking:
    Lowetide,

    It could easily be a Smid type contract like that or even a bit more, what could he make in the KHL?
    Didn’t Belov sign for more than that?

    Definitely a negative that the two are friends.

  64. Moose says:

    I can’t recall where I saw it this morning, but someone tweeted out that Buffalo is apparently really high on Draistaitl. Which wouldn’t surprise me, being as how this is such a copycat league and the Kings are fresh off another Cup run. I wonder if that buzz is what generated MacT’s supposed interested in moving to #1 as Dreger stated a couple days ago.

    If it goes Ekblad/Draistaltl 1-2, you have to think Oilers look harder at trading down and taking one of the big body wingers. Personally, I think you take Bennett and call it a day, but who knows what’s on offer for that pick.

  65. Rod from Viking says:

    Lowetide,

    You think Belov might have some great things to say about the head coach?

  66. Lowetide says:

    Rod from Viking:
    Lowetide,

    You think Belov might have some great things to say about the head coach?

    We hoped for the best…

  67. Racki says:

    Lowetide: Definitely a negative that the two are friends.

    I do a pretty good Russian impersonation. I’ll call him up..

    “NIKKKI.. dis is Anton! Kak dilla?! I just wan tell you.. Dallas Eakins.. he great coach!! You sign with Oilers.. they be super team in 2 years. Dasvidania, comrade!”

  68. Woodguy says:

    anonymous:
    Rejecting a deal identical to Mcdonagh should be enough reason to trade him. Can’t believe it was offered. Maybe I’ve just seen him really bad.

    McDonagh signed a contract that will have him play under value for years.

    Not if I’d sign that either if I were Jultz.

    I think he can be really good.

    He’s not yet though.

    Hopefully the new Dcoach and a better partner can help.

  69. Racki says:

    As risky as it is, a bridge deal makes sense. I am still not sold. I think he’ll cover the bet, but there’s enough reason to worry he’ll flop too. Well, maybe not FLOP… but be not worth anywhere near 6M per year long term. So I’d sign him for a couple years at a cheaper salary if he’d take it.

    Can he be taken to arbitration?

  70. Gerta Rauss says:

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=625644

    MacT round table with Stauffer et al

    Not sure if there is anything new here, MacT has been everywhere the last 10 days

  71. v4ance says:

    http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2014/06/20/trades_free_agency_draft_dominate_nhl_landscape.html

    “…Chicago Blackhawks, who will have room to sign both Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane to extensions in July, giving both big raises a year before they become unrestricted free agents in 2015.

    Both are expected to sign for $12 million a season smashing through the $9.54-million cap hit record established by Alex Ovechkin.”

    Is this guy serious? My first take is that he’s an idiot for suggesting that Toews and Kane would ask for more than Ovi’s deal.

    Wanting the best contract is one thing. Handicapping your team’s salary cap by being ludicriously greedy is another and I don’t think Toews and Kane are that stupid. I think they’d leave money on the table so they can win more cups. My own prediction is somewhere around $7-7.5 mil per year.

  72. Andy P says:

    Rod from Viking:
    Lowetide,

    You think Belov might have some great things to say about the head coach?

    I’d also be a bit frustrated if I was a competent defenseman working for Steve Smith. Lawdy.
    This year we will at least see a unified coaching team, for better or for worse. Eakins last stand.

  73. TheOtherJohn says:

    Justin Schultz s 24 yrs old. He is pretty close to being what type of player he will be.

    Don’t think LAK, STL, Winnipeg think they are going to get too much growth out of Doughty, Voynov, Pietrangelo, Bogosian. And yet Oiler fans talk about Schutz developing significantly from where he is today. He is, currently, scoring at a .45 PPG clip with all of the 1st unit PP time and is abysmal in his own end. Not average: he is atrocious. Will he get better offensively sure. Will he get better defensively: of course. He could not get worse. Significantly: I do not think so

    It’s just the projection of him being an elite core player ….. I just do not see it. Undoubtably Rickibear will have some stat that pegs him as being better than Bobby Orr. I simply don’t believe it

    So go ahead turn down $5m long term. I think the risk lies with Schultz. With more data, $5m will look like an overpay

  74. supernova says:

    Lowetide:
    Plus they hired a coach from the minor leagues! IT’s a golden era for the Canucks!

    Lowetide,

    good on Willie.

    I lived in Medicine Hat for a few years. The people in Medicine Hat are really proud of two people that has ties to their organization.

    1) WIllie
    2) Trevor Linden

    in that order as well. A distant 3rd is

    Lanny Mcdonald.

    Might be more canucks fans there now. (actually alot of Oiler fans in the Hat, due to ITV broadcasts back in the day)
    Willie is actually regarded as a better person than a coach. Winning seems to follow him everywhere he goes even though he is not regarded as a great X’s and O’s coach.

    As far as Letang goes for me. I take him in a heartbeat.
    I dont pay a huge trade cost though because Pittsburgh needs cap space and a retooling.
    for me i dont trade the #3 straight up for Letang. I expect a lot from top 5 Picks. But i would build a 3 for 1.

  75. Woodguy says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Justin Schultz s 24 yrs old. He is pretty close to being what type of player he will be.

    Don’t think LAK, STL, Winnipeg think they are going to get too much growth out of Doughty, Voynov, Pietrangelo, Bogosian. And yet Oiler fans talk about Schutz developing significantly from where he is today. He is, currently, scoring at a .45 PPG clip with all of the 1st unit PP time and is abysmal in his own end. Not average: he is atrocious. Will he get better offensively sure. Will he get better defensively: of course. He could not get worse. Significantly: I do not think so

    It’s just the projection of him being an elite core player ….. I just do not see it. Undoubtably Rickibear will have some stat that pegs him as being better than Bobby Orr. I simply don’t believe it

    So go ahead turn down $5m long term. I think the risk lies with Schultz. With more data, $5m will look like an overpay

    In his first two years (120ish games really) Jultz’ two most common Dpartners have been Nick Bloody Shultz and Andrew Goddam Ference.

    If they untie the anchors, he might swim.

  76. TheOtherJohn says:

    Fans talk about Schultz like he is 21 or 22 years old. He is 24. Scoring at .45ppg with ALL of the PP time he can handle. He is not sharing the 1PP unit with anyone. No doubt N Schultz and AGF can restrict anyone’s success but the belief that Schultz morphs into both an elite offensive force and cleans up his own end seems on the evidence to date to be unrealistic

    Maybe Nikita Nikitin can provide the balance Schultz needs to succeed.

    Now, just to prove me wrong Schultz will score 60 pts and play adequate D in 14/15

  77. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: In his first two years (120ish games really) Jultz’ two most common Dpartners have been Nick Bloody Shultz and Andrew Goddam Ference.

    If they untie the anchors, he might swim.

    When six guys suck with J. schultz and are better without him.
    WOWY says the problem is?

  78. spoiler says:

    I think people are forgetting Justin Schultz fought a groin injury for most of the season. He looked much better after the Olympic break. Jesus, he’s played all of 122 games. 24 years old. Teams are notorious for giving up on Dmen too soon. 200 games is the marker. They don’t mature till they’re 27 and their developing upslope is steeper than their fading, aging downslope. And PP scoring is systems and team and SH% dependent with a lot of variance from year-to-year. D get their points from the PP and ours sucked this year.

    That said, he would be my trade for Letang. Straight across. If that doesn’t do it, I’m not interested. That gives me a Petry-Letang R1-R2.

    Marincin-Petry
    Nikitin-Letang
    Ference-Fayne?

    There are risks to both Schultz and Letang, they’re similarly-styled players, they’re both RHS and Pitt gets some much needed cap space. I think it’s do-able. OK… If I have to add a mid-level prospect kicker, then fine.

    Then go sign Fayne and the D Is set. Can’t go without a FFS pairing.

  79. wintoon says:

    Oiler fans, myself included, desperately want some good news. As a result, we become very attached to any prospect with positive arrows. This is the case with J Schultz. The likelihood of him becoming that incredible offensive D man is becoming less likely so it is critical that neither we nor Oilers management fall into the trap of over valuing what he brings to the table. We have done this too often in the recent past.

    The key, as many on this site have stated, is to get good value for the contracts signed. Value contracts which favor the club or the player too greatly, are not good. They can poison subsequent negotiations and de-rail either a career or a club’s plans. (see Horcoff, ROR, Subban etc.) I simply hope that MacT bargains well and in good faith, and of course, gets outstanding results so that the season can be more important than the draft.

  80. oliveoilers says:

    Woodguy: In his first two years (120ish games really) Jultz’ two most common Dpartners have been Nick Bloody Shultz and Andrew Goddam Ference.

    If they untie the anchors, he might swim.

    In the mean time, sign him on a Subban type bridge deal. When he plays like Subban, he’ll get Subban money. And play him the clip from Mr Deeds where Deeds punches the quarterback for asking for more money and says if it would be ok if the management retained salary for poor performances. Darryl Katz as the butler was hilarious in that movie.

  81. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    spoiler:
    I think people are forgetting Justin Schultz fought a groin injury for most of the season.He looked much better after the Olympic break.Jesus, he’s played all of 122 games. 24 years old. Teams are notorious for giving up on Dmen too soon.200 games is the marker. They don’t mature till they’re 27 and their developing upslope is steeper than their fading, aging downslope. And PP scoring is systems and team and SH% dependent with a lot of variance from year-to-year. D get their points from the PP and ours sucked this year.

    That said, he would be my trade for Letang. Straight across. If that doesn’t do it, I’m not interested. That gives me a Petry-Letang R1-R2.

    Marincin-Petry
    Nikitin-Letang
    Ference-Fayne?

    There are risks to both Schultz and Letang, they’re similarly-styled players, they’re both RHS and Pitt gets some much needed cap space. I think it’s do-able. OK… If I have to add a mid-level prospect kicker, then fine.

    Then go sign Fayne and the D Is set.Can’t go without a FFS pairing.

    I wouldn’t give up on Schultz either. But, if I had to trade one of the tasty treats we have, I’d trade him.

    I don’t think him straight across for Letang is enough though. I think you’d have to throw in something really nice to seal it.

    The other thing about Letang is that I wonder if we have a read on Rutherford yet. New GMs are unpredictable. Could make Letang more or less available. More or less cost prohibitive.

    On Schultz, remember he isn’t signed and apparently wants some cash and term now if he’s balking at the McDonagh deal. An unsigned (albeit RFA) with some contract questions isn’t exactly market friendly.

  82. oliveoilers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I wouldn’t give up on Schultz either. But, if I had to trade one of the tasty treats we have, I’d trade him.

    I don’t think him straight across for Letang is enough though. I think you’d have to throw in something really nice to seal it.

    The other thing about Letang is that I wonder if we have a read on Rutherford yet. New GMs are unpredictable. Could make Letang more or less available. More or less cost prohibitive.

    On Schultz, remember he isn’t signed and apparently wants some cash and term now if he’s balking at the McDonagh deal. An unsigned (albeit RFA) with some contract questions isn’t exactly market friendly.

    If it’s true that he balked at the McDonagh deal, this represents a cynical side to Schultz, or his agent. They seek to take advantage of the poor UFA crop this year and the meagre assets MacT seems willing to trade. MacT has to be careful of the message he sends here. Sign him to money and term when he clearly doesn’t deserve it YET, or refuse to be held to ransom. Still, this is the first time Schultz has done this kind of thing. Hence the boo-urns from the Ducks fans. Is arbitration a possibility? And on McDonagh…..I would fire my agent , if I was him.

  83. Caramel Obvious says:

    I don’t begrudge Schultz trying to get the best deal he can. However, I also don’t think anyone should give out a contract based on potential. Schultz is nowhere near the player that Subban was when he signed his deal. Now I thought Subban signed way too cheaply so there is that

    Right now Schultz is closer to Del Zotto than he is to McDonagh. His contract should reflect that.

    Letang’s health scares me. Two years ago I thought he was unbelievable. He didn’t seem like the smae guy to me this year in the playoffs. I’d take him but I wouldn’t pay a premium..

  84. Woodguy says:

    oliveoilers: In the mean time, sign him on a Subban type bridge deal.When he plays like Subban, he’ll get Subban money.And play him the clip from Mr Deeds where Deeds punches the quarterback for asking for more money and says if it would be ok if the management retained salary for poor performances.Darryl Katz as the butler was hilarious in that movie.

    I think he’ll be better than he is now, but I don’t think he can become as good as Subban.

  85. Woodguy says:

    oliveoilers: If it’s true that he balked at the McDonagh deal, this represents a cynical side to Schultz, or his agent.They seek to take advantage of the poor UFA crop this year and the meagre assets MacT seems willing to trade.MacT has to be careful of the message he sends here.Sign him to money and term when he clearly doesn’t deserve it YET, or refuse to be held to ransom.Still, this is the first time Schultz has done this kind of thing.Hence the boo-urns from the Ducks fans.Is arbitration a possibility?And on McDonagh…..I would fire my agent , if I was him.

    I think that if they turned down a McDonaugh deal its less “I’m better now”, than “In two years the cap might be $10MM more and what I bring will be worth north of $5MM easy”

  86. Woodguy says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    Right now Schultz is closer to Del Zotto than he is to McDonagh. His contract should reflect that.

    Truth.

  87. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I think people are pointing to Subban because he’s the most notorious example of a D and bridge deal. Not because he is a good on-ice comparable for Schultz. That would be crazy.

    It’s a structural argument, that’s all.

    ———
    FWIW, it seems a blessing to me that Schultz is refusing a long term deal. I fear MacT loves him too much and even though he clearly doesn’t feel he’s worth huge, huge money… he seems willing to give him a fair amount of benefit of the doubt.

    I’m much more concerned about Petry’s deal. Tambo should have locked him up long term. This is Gagner all over again, except this time the Mgt. is less convinced of Petry’s talents and value when the opposite should hold.

  88. oliveoilers says:

    Woodguy: I think he’ll be better than he is now, but I don’t think he can become as good as Subban.

    Me too, I guess my example was in the extreme! But you got the gist of it! I’m surprised that with clubs trying to save money, that performance related pay (I know it exists to a certain extent) isn’t more prevalent like as in soccer. You have your base salary, then pre-agreed milestones for the season. It’s not uncommon for a soccer player who is injury-prone to get a game-appearance related bonus. This can protect teams to a certain degree. NHLPA would never buy it though!

  89. frjohnk says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Justin Schultz s 24 yrs old. He is pretty close to being what type of player he will be.

    Don’t think LAK, STL, Winnipeg think they are going to get too much growth out of Doughty, Voynov, Pietrangelo, Bogosian. And yet Oiler fans talk about Schutz developing significantly from where he is today. He is, currently, scoring at a .45 PPG clip with all of the 1st unit PP time and is abysmal in his own end. Not average: he is atrocious. Will he get better offensively sure. Will he get better defensively: of course. He could not get worse. Significantly: I do not think so

    It’s just the projection of him being an elite core player ….. I just do not see it. Undoubtably Rickibear will have some stat that pegs him as being better than Bobby Orr. I simply don’t believe it

    So go ahead turn down $5m long term. I think the risk lies with Schultz. With more data, $5m will look like an overpay

    I would agree with you if Schultz had 6 NHL seasons under his belt, but he only has 1.5 seasons. Giordano, Rafalski, Streit are a few D man ( and there are many more) who at 24 nobody knew who they were. But they were talented players who through hard work, and opportunities grew into very good players. With only a season and a half there is no reason why Shultz can not grow his game like those players. I’m sure he knows his weaknesses and will work on them

  90. godot10 says:

    Why would you trade for Letang, when you can offer Niskanen the same deal and cost nothing in hockey assets?

    If one offered the Letang deal to Niskanen, it would likely be the best offer on the table, and Niskanen is a better defensemen, without the built-in health risk.

    Plus Justin Schultz is basically Kris Letang, with only 120 games of NHL experience, playing too high in the roster with 3rd pairing D.

    A bridge deal is the best approach for Justin Schultz.

    If they are talking one-year deal for Petry, then Petry’s agent has clearly told the Oilers that they are willing to go to arbitration to UFA next summer if the Oilers offer is $5 somthing per season.

  91. Woodguy says:

    godot10:
    Why would you trade for Letang, when you can offer Niskanen the same deal and cost nothing in hockey assets?

    If one offered the Letang deal to Niskanen, it would likely be the best offer on the table, and Niskanen is a better defensemen, without the built-in health risk.

    Plus Justin Schultz is basically Kris Letang, with only 120 games of NHL experience, playing too high in the roster with 3rd pairing D.

    A bridge deal is the best approach for Justin Schultz.

    If they are talking one-year deal for Petry, then Petry’s agent has clearly told the Oilers that they are willing to go to arbitration to UFA next summer if the Oilers offer is $5 somthing per season.

    I see no evidence that Niskinen is anywhere near the same category as Letang.

    Niskinen has one season of high end results.

    Can’t give a guy $7MM for a long time based on one year.

    HIs PP results are pretty bad too.

  92. Woodguy says:

    godot10,

    To be clear:

    1) Niskinen looks to be a good driver of possession

    2) Niskinen has had extremely favourable line mates and situations

    3) Niskinen only has one year of good 5v5 pts/60

    4) Niskinen has no history of good 5v4 pts/60

  93. speeds says:

    I don’t know that I think either Niskanen or Letang would be great value.

    Even Nikitin, if he costs 3.5M+, how much more should one be willing to pay Stralman to sign him instead? I mean, if I’m overpaying someone, I think I’d rather overpay Stralman.

  94. G Money says:

    frjohnk: But they were talented players who through hard work, and opportunities grew into very good players. With only a season and a half there is no reason why Shultz can not grow his game like those players. I’m sure he knows his weaknesses and will work on them

    This is actually my greatest fear with Schultz.

    We know the tools are there, especially the skating.

    We’ve seen the offensive prowess and even some outstanding defensive plays here or there.

    Defensive positioning should be something that intelligent players (which I think Schultz also is) develop with practice and experience.

    The biggest issue I have with Schultz is, as WG says, “lollygagging”. He’s just way too casual when he’s got the puck (or when he doesn’t). He never looks like he has a sense of urgency to his game. I get that he’s a fluid and efficient skater and won’t look like he’s working as hard as other less efficient players. But it’s that sense of intensity and urgency – which you can see in other equally fluid skaters – thats consistently lacking.

    So I fear – and I recognize this may be unfair to cast on the guy without knowing more, but it’s a fear nonetheless – that saying “Schultz will get better as long as he works hard” is the same as saying “Schultz won’t get better”.

  95. godot10 says:

    G Money:

    The biggest issue I have with Schultz is, as WG says, “lollygagging”.He’s just way too casual when he’s got the puck (or when he doesn’t).He never looks like he has a sense of urgency to his game.I get that he’s a fluid and efficient skater and won’t look like he’s working as hard as other less efficient players.But it’s that sense of intensity and urgency – which you can see in other equally fluid skaters – thats consistently lacking.

    This “sense of urgency” stuff is nonsense. The Penner criticism all over again. Schultz undoubtedly has to improve defensively, but there is nothing wrong with appearing calm and relaxed playing hockey.

  96. godot10 says:

    Note: I don’t particularly want Letang or Niskanen. Neither will be value for money.

    But it makes no sense to pursue Letang for real hockey assets, when one can sign Niskanen for just money.

  97. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    godot10:
    Note: I don’t particularly want Letang or Niskanen.Neither will be value for money.

    But it makes no sense to pursue Letang for real hockey assets, when one can sign Niskanen for just money.

    The assumption, I believe is that Niskanen won’t be available and that the Pens will in effect choose him over Letang.

  98. TheOtherJohn says:

    Not saying Schultz won’t get better but when people mention Him in the same breadth with elite D. He is not remotely close to that level. His ceiling may be closer to Dick Tarnstrom. Agree MacT loves him WAY too much.

  99. Woodguy says:

    godot10: This “sense of urgency” stuff is nonsense.The Penner criticism all over again.Schultz undoubtedly has to improve defensively, but there is nothing wrong with appearing calm and relaxed playing hockey.

    Its not that he’d calm and relaxed.

    Its that he’s 2nd to many pucks he should have been first to.

    He’s also first to pucks by a nose, panics and gives its away, when he should have been first to the puck with enough time to make the first pass with it.

    Lollygagger.

    Especially on the PP.

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