LOUD NOISES 4: DRAFT TABLE

I think we have the Oilers surrounded in regard to the No. 3 overall selection in the 2014 draft. They could surprise and trade the pick, and that would be a surprise after all these years of Matty’s teasing, but chances are they pick at 3.

OILERS ESTIMATED DRAFT LIST

  1. Aaron Ekblad
  2. Sam Reinhart
  3. Leon Draisaitl
  4. Sam Bennett
  5. Michael Dal Colle
  6. Nick Ritchie

I think they end up with Draisaitl, and if they do take him with Bennett on the board there’s no real way to frame it beyond they took the bigger man when given a close choice. I wonder if we’re missing something on Bennett, but we’ll find out as the years roll along.

One thing I’m not sure what to do with is the GF-GA on data supplied at this database which shows Bennett played on a better team than the other two centers. Here, let me post it again.

Henri Ikonen of the Kingston Frontenacs. Photo by Aaron Bell/OHL Images

TEAM-BY-TEAM GOAL DIFFERENTIAL

  • KINGSTON FRONTENACS AT EVENS: 216-169 (+47)
  • KOOTENAY ICE AT EVENS: 168-156 (+12)
  • PRINCE ALBERT AT EVENS: 169-191 (-22)

There’s a fairly wide gap at evens for these three teams. Who’s zooming who? Bennett is playing on a team that approaches +1 per game at even strength, that’s a monster. Reinhart plays on a team a little above par for the year, and Draisaitl’s team is about  -.3 of a goal at 5×5 when the anthem played. That’s a gap.

GOALS FOR-GOALS AGAINST ON ICE, BY PLAYER

PPG NAME (LEAGUE) GP PTS ONGF ONGA DIF
1.017 SAM BENNETT, OHL 57 58 80 45 +35
1.00 SAM REINHART, WHL 60 6 75 51 +24
.922 LEON DRAISAITL, WHL 64 59 68 61 +7

Fascinating. Bennett is a helluva player, look at those even numbers. However, how much do we nick him for the +35/+47? Especially considering Reinhart (+24/+12) and Draisaitl (+7/-22). Just by eye, Draisaitl’s season looks the most impressive from here, but is that enough to move him up the list? I decided to leave things status quo, do you agree? Or does this change the order? Love your input.

OILER PICKS IN 2014

  • #3 overall (first round)
  • #91 overall (fourth round, this is the Bryzgalov return)
  • #111 overall (fourth round, this is the Mike Brown return)
  • #130 overall (fifth round, this is the first pick of the Ales Hemsky return)
  • #137 overall (fifth round, this is the Nick Schultz return)
  • #153 overall (sixth round)
  • #183 overall (seventh round)

We’re one week away from rounds two through seven, and one of these picks (#137 OV) may be gone by then. MacT has suggested the Oilers will have a hard time moving in to the second or third round, but I don’t really buy it. They have that extra pick in next year’s draft (Hemsky deal) and the team could package No. 91 and No. 111 to move up for a specific player. Here’s a list of prospects who may be of interest to Edmonton at each stop at this year’s draft.

POSSIBLE OILERS ROUND 4 AND BEYOND

  • L Dexter Dancs—I have him ranked much higher, but he may be available in the fourth round.
  • C Nicolas Aube-Kubel—Two-way center. Fast train.
  • L Juho Lammikko—Intelligent two-way winger with size. I don’t think he makes it to No. 91.
  • G Ilya Sorokin—Russian goalie posted very nice numbers.
  • C Alexandre Goulet—Scoring center, impressive at even strength.
  • G Ville Husso—Finnish goalie looks good based on the boxcars.
  • D Julius Bergman—Impressive defenseman with size and a nice range of skills.
  • L Semyon KoshalevSkill player of note, he has value among KHL teams.
  • L Alexander Sharov—Impressive scorer is 6.01, 180 and has been quality for two seasons.
  • L Edgars Kulda—Prospects don’t develop in a straight line.
  • D Brandon Montour—Luedeke talked me into him.

As it stands now, we’re going to have a long and somewhat boring Saturday before anything happens a week from today. Hopefully MacT can add a pick or two, but remember those selections have been sent away in order to acquire David Perron, Ben Scrivens and (potentially) Nikita Nikitin. It’s already a damn good draft when you add in No. 3 overall and one of these players listed above.

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  1. Lowetide says:

    On Saturday Sports Extra at noon today, I’ll be picking for Edmonton in a mock draft. Paul Almeida will fire me after I make the pick (he’s Katz in this scenario, so I don’t even know if he’ll show up for the broadcast), but I’d love your input. I don’t know who will be chosen 1-2 (we’re having various media choose the top 9, so George Richards will choose for FLA and Bill Hoppe for BUF), so give me your top 3 if you have a chance.

  2. RexLibris says:

    Curious, LT.

    Who have you got picking for Calgary, Toronto, Vancouver, and most interestingly, the Islanders?

    Is Maggie the Chimp freelancing? She’d be my pick to cover the Canucks’ draft board.

  3. Moose says:

    Oilers don’t have an “extra” pick next year as they sent away their own 3rd in the Fasth deal.

    Do we have any indication when the Nikitin window shuts? I’d have to think it’s the 25th when all other teams have the right to enter the negotiating fray, no?

  4. justDOit says:

    The Oilers may have had a bad period in drafting, but not Panthers bad.

  5. cdean says:

    I don’t see MacT gathering up any draft picks, because what’s the point? That would only be rearranging the deck chairs. If anything I see the Oilers losing draft picks in an effort to get get real NHLers.

  6. Clarkenstein says:

    Expect a phone call from Katz telling you who to pick.

  7. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris:
    Curious, LT.

    Who have you got picking for Calgary, Toronto, Vancouver, and most interestingly, the Islanders?

    Is Maggie the Chimp freelancing? She’d be my pick to cover the Canucks’ draft board.

    SATURDAY SPORTS EXTRA 2014 MOCK DRAFT

    FIRST HOUR

    1) 12:20 FLA – George Richards – Miami Herald

    2) 12:28 BUF – Bill Hoppe – Times Herald

    3) 12:40 EDM – Almeida & Lowetide

    4) 12:48 CGY – Kent Wilson – Flames Nation

    SECOND HOUR

    5) 1:00 NYI – B.D. Gallof – CBS New York

    6) 1:08 VAN – Dimitri Filipovoc – Canucks Army

    7) 1:20 CAR – Bob Wage – Canes Country

    8) 1:28 TOR – Steve Dangle Glynn – Leafs Nation

    9) 1:40 WPG – Scott Taylor – Sports Canada Media

  8. Lowetide says:

    Clarkenstein:
    Expect a phone call from Katz telling you who to pick.

    Ha! I’m ripping the phone out of the wall!

  9. gd says:

    I think the Oilers list is:

    1. Ekblad
    2. Leon
    3. Reinhart
    4. Bennett

    I am really hoping Leon is who they get. They own the WHL that played him in the playoffs, they better have as much inside info on his strengths and weaknesses as humanly possible. They need a C. They need size in their top 6. I think him being older is good as it actually makes him closer in age to the cluster. I think his style will be the best fit for maximizing Yak’s skill set.

    That said, I don’t think they can go wrong with any of the top 4 (or Del Colle for that matter). My fear is Ekblad is closer to Erik Johnson than Doughty and between the wait for him to become elite and their depth at D and lack of depth at C, one of the Centres makes way more sense for them this year.

  10. oliveoilers says:

    Lowetide: Ha! I’m ripping the phone out of the wall!

    Correction, a call from Katz’ kid. Oh, and don’t accept any Skype requests from the Oilers.

    Isn’t the Bennett/Dras…Drays…Dris….Leon thing like buying a Ferrari and wistfully looking at a Porsche driving by?

  11. striatic says:

    There’s more to a Draisaitl pick than the guy being bigger and stronger than Bennett.

    Draisaitl delivered with inferior support. Bennett was on a top end team playing with top end support.

    My top 3 is Reinhart, Draisaitl, Ekblad – in that order.

    Quality of Teammates is a big factor in pushing Bennett back, and issues with EV production are pushing Ekblad back to 3rd.

  12. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: SATURDAY SPORTS EXTRA 2014 MOCK DRAFT

    FIRST HOUR

    1) 12:20 FLA – George Richards – Miami Herald

    2) 12:28 BUF – Bill Hoppe – Times Herald

    3) 12:40 EDM – Almeida & Lowetide

    4) 12:48 CGY – Kent Wilson – Flames Nation

    SECOND HOUR

    5) 1:00 NYI – B.D. Gallof – CBS New York

    6) 1:08 VAN – Dimitri Filipovoc – Canucks Army

    7) 1:20 CAR – Bob Wage – Canes Country

    8) 1:28 TOR – Steve Dangle Glynn – Leafs Nation

    9) 1:40 WPG – Scott Taylor – Sports Canada Media

    That’s quite the collection. Don’t suppose you had to call in many favours from the media mafia to get them all lined up, did you?

    The show coincides with my lunch break perfectly. The one I’m most curious to hear about is the Flames because I feel like so much of the angst Oilers fans feel about the 3rd overall pick is framed by the fact that the Red Horde to the south selects immediately following and I’d love to hear Kent’s thoughts on the draft board selections at that stage.

  13. slopitch says:

    Another interesting item. LD was on for 68 goals and had 22 goals and 37 assists. So he was in on 59 of 68 of them and scored just under 1/3.

    Everytime I look at that data, I really wonder about that Ehlers kid. Legit numbers.

    Im happy if they get LD. Nuge is in place, a big 2C would be important matchup wise if we ever make it to the show.

  14. slopitch says:

    If they get Ekblad Im happy too. A shot a real #1D is worth it. Think he can play next year too.

  15. G Money says:

    This is a perfect example of why arguing loudly for one pick over the other is just plain silly.

    Even scouts get it wrong – let alone the general public.

    Comparing Bennett and Draisaitl on these numbers is a perfect example. By one measure (+35 vs +7), Bennett is clearly the better player. Adjust that same measure to differential vs team (-12 and +29) and Draisaitl is clearly the better player.

    Same adjustment can be made for teammates and ppg.

    Conclusions: if picking a centre, you’re likely getting a good one regardless of who you get. If the Oilers pick because Draisaitl fits their needs (size and possession) better, I have no problem with that.

    Second caveat: regardless of who gets picked, the development environment will play a huge part too. Tough to develop properly when you get drafted by a hockey team and developed in a circus (see: “Yakupov, Nail”).

    If one of the players turns out and one doesn’t, it could very well be the case that if the picks had been reversed, the results could have been reversed too.

    Such is drafting.

  16. Dicky94 says:

    TSN is saying the Oil would benefit greatly by trading down with the Leafs and taking Gardiner and the 8th. I can’t see Mac T doing that. The 3rd pick is worth a lot more than that in my mind.

  17. Lowetide says:

    It was sometime Thursday that GM Jarmo Kekalainen gave the Oilers a 48-hour window to negotiate with Nikitin’s camp. The Blue Jackets will get a fifth round pick if the Oilers sign the defenseman, but it won’t cost the Oilers anything if no agreement is reached.

    Another important note: NHL sources told Portzline that multiple teams have asked about Nikitin, and this window with the Oilers doesn’t preclude the Blue Jackets from giving another team permission to speak with his camp.

    http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2014/06/20/0620-nikitin-on-the-trade-block.html

  18. Younger Oil says:

    I know this isn’t too relevant, but I don’t think we have an extra pick in next year’s draft, because while we got a 2015 3rd round pick for Hemsky, we also traded a 2015 3rd round pick for Fasth.

    http://prosportstransactions.com/hockey/DraftTrades/Years/2015.htm

  19. Hammers says:

    My real guess for next Friday is we trade #3 as both Leon & Reinhart are gone and Philly or Toronto make us an offer we can’t refuse so they can get Ekblad .So Ekblad & Pitlick to Philly for the Schenn brothers .

  20. Zangetsu says:

    I guess how could you turn down a centre who is 6’7 400 pounds at age 18 right. Draisaitl isn’t nhl big. I don’t see him outmuscling the likes of Thorton and Kopitar. His style also doesn’t lend itself to the big 2c most fans are looking for. I like him, just not as the physical 2c a lot of oiler fans see him as. My biggest fear with him is that he gets run out of town for playing the ‘use size to protect puck’ style of Penner.
    I’m scared of taking eckblad, but I don’t know how you pass on him if he is there.
    Reinhart had more than 6 pts I’m sure. He seems like the best pick if he is there.
    I flip-flop on Bennett. I expect he will fill out a lot given his lack of strength right now. He plays a game that complements Nuge well. He seems to have the offensive and defensive prowess of Reinhart, but younger and with some added bite. The pull-up thing worries me. Not so much from a pull-ups are important to a hockey player perspective, but they are not hard to do, and I think it reflects poorly on his training habits. Hopefully he was just exhausted from the V02 or something.

    Unlike a lot of people on here, I don’t think it is time to make big moves yet. I like the nikitin style pickup. Lets lets eliminate the dregs from the team first, and make the big trade when we need to jump from playoff team to contender. I fear picking up a phaneuf now, and not reaping the rewards until the contract and player have gone sour.

  21. speeds says:

    Hammers,

    How is that an offer EDM can’t refuse?

  22. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Hope we get Draisaitl, he could really round out our top 6. Even though we are likely to get another star player this year I can’t help but feel less optimistic about next year. The Oilers need to somehow acquire more than one player a year that will be an impact player. I’m not crazy about MacT trading all our draft picks like we are some kind of contender adding pieces.

  23. Zangetsu says:

    speeds,

    Probably because MacT can’t manage to talk while he’s rofl.

  24. Hammers says:

    Dicky94:
    TSN is saying the Oil would benefit greatly by trading down with the Leafs and taking Gardiner and the 8th.I can’t see Mac T doing that.The 3rd pick is worth a lot more than that in my mind.

    Would you do it for Kadri & not Gardiner ???

  25. Hammers says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    Hope we get Draisaitl, he could really round out our top 6.Even though we are likely to get another star player this year I can’t help but feel less optimistic about next year.The Oilers need to somehow acquire more than one player a year that will be an impact player. I’m not crazy about MacT trading all our draft picks like we are some kind of contender adding pieces.

    Anytime you get actual NHL players for picks #3 or lower he must be winning . Hell #2 & Magnus got Perron . We need NHL players now not 3-5 years from now otherwise this rebuild becomes a revolving door.

  26. speeds says:

    Dicky94:
    TSN is saying the Oil would benefit greatly by trading down with the Leafs and taking Gardiner and the 8th.I can’t see Mac T doing that.The 3rd pick is worth a lot more than that in my mind.

    I could see MacT doing that.

    At least one of Dal Colle, Ehlers, Nylander or Fabbri would be available at 8.

  27. Rondo says:

    I think your estimated draft list for the Oilers is correct.

    The Draisaitl vs. Bennett question . Draisaitl has the size and like the fact he has only played 2 yrs coming Germany not an easy transition for any person Bennett I like his high compete level and his age, worry a little about his size and his ability to play the same game at the NHL level

  28. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Word of Caution!!!

    the McKeen’s tool has a problem that is throwing the numbers somewhat out of whack.

    The original numbers they posted for both ESG and On-Ice ES GF included empty net goals. These were the numbers I used for my IPP pieces:

    http://www.theoilersrig.com/2014/06/ipp-and-the-2014-draft-class/

    Since then, me and some others have tried to get them stripped from the data. Gus and co. are working on it, but so far have only done half the job.

    They’ve taken the empty net goals out of the ESG column but haven’t for the On-Ice ES GF yet. So… the numbers LT is using above strips the EN goals out of each players ES points but not his On-ice numbers. (sorry if that sounds confusing).

    It’s a minor matter. but, thought it should be noted.

    While I’m at it, I think the team total GF and GA probably also include EN goals.

  29. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Also, there’s a typo for Reinhart. Didn’t score 6 ES points. 60.

  30. spoiler says:

    I wonder if Draisaitl will be there at 3? Call it the Barkov phenomenon. I wouldn’t be upset if Reinhart was still on the board and we took him instead, but if Ekblad and Draisaitl are both gone, do the Oil consider trading the pick more seriously?

  31. spoiler says:

    slopitch:
    If they get Ekblad Im happy too. A shot a real #1D is worth it. Think he can play next year too.

    I like Ekblad a lot, but his style is more of a 2D. The Huddy to one’s Coffey. Coburn, Bogo, maybe Seabrook, but down that aisle of the hardware store. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but he’s likely not going to put up the points of a Gardiner or Letang nor is he likely to be an all-round stud like Weber, Chara, Doughty (that’s his absolute top end, but he would have to gain some offense out of nowhere like Weber did).

    Sorry, not picking on you Slopitch, just want to temper expectations somewhat as far as his future point production goes. He’ll be first pairing, but likely alongside a creative offensive whiz kid.

  32. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “I think they end up with Draisaitl, and if they do take him with Bennett on the board there’s no real way to frame it beyond they took the bigger man when given a close choice. I wonder if we’re missing something on Bennett, but we’ll find out as the years roll along.”

    I had a several day argument with Alan Hull on twitter about this.

    let me gather my thoughts.

    1. subjectively all bets are off. I’m a thorough Draisaitl partisan and can’t hope to get clear of my biases.

    2. Objectively, I think I can make a case that while I’d give Bennett the push over Draisaitl (and this is the advice I’d give a GM… take Bennett, though if it were my decision the answer is obvious).

    I give it to Bennett for two reasons: His got a slightly better ES PPG (1.04) vs. LD (0.97) and his age is so much younger (That’s Offside! has done great work on age adjusted PPG totals)

    3. However, looking at the totality of the information, I don’t see enough daylight between the 3 Cs. And, I feel confident I could argue strongly for any of the 3 on objective terms and make a reasonable case.

    And, while I think size for a variety of non-thuggish reasons can be an important factor, I think I could make the same arguments for all three players if we equalized their vital stats.

    So… while it’s entirely possible that the Oilers give weight (probably too much) to the size of the players, I don’t think it is fair to say an LD pick is reducible to this factor alone or primarily.

  33. VanOil says:

    My draft list has been and is Reinhart, Draisaitl, Bennett, Ekblad.

    If Reinhart and Draisaitl are both gone I would entertain Gardiner + 2nd for the pick.

    GMs have buddies. Trade routes follow patterns. If Florida gives up there pick (even with a new GM) it would not surprise me if it is too Vancouver for Kesler. If Van walks away from the draft with Ekblad and Ehlers they might not suck as bad I think they will 2 years from now depending how there center prospects develop.

    The radio show looks well worth the listen, great line up of guests.

    I think the #3 has a 75%+ chance of making the team next year. This need not be a bad thing. A third line of Gordon, Arco, Draitsaitl could be good place to develop. Adding Malhotra for the 4th or a stud for the 2nd line center.

  34. G Money says:

    Zangetsu: Draisaitl isn’t nhl big.

    That is flat out dead wrong.

    Draisaitl is the average height and already 10 lbs heavier than the average NHL C (the average is 199.1 lbs).

    If he puts on another five pounds by the time he’s 20, he will be > one standard deviation larger than the average NHL C (the standard deviation is 14 lbs).

    And with that frame I’m guessing he puts on another 10 lbs at least, which would put him size wise at about the 80th percentile for NHL C size.

    At age 18, Draisaitl is already well above the size of an average NHL C.

  35. Loweblow says:

    Lowetide,

    Aaron Portzline: The agent for the Oilers recently acquired defenseman Nikita Nikitin: “Unless it’s 4 years and major money, I don’t know why he wouldn’t go to July 1, see what’s there.”

    Way too rich for a 3rd pairing D, pass

  36. VanOil says:

    Interesting Broadstreet Hockey article talking about the Oiler’s Panel mock draft that suggests Philly will trade for the #1 pick. The money quote for me is;

    “So this is pretty out of left field. Or right field. Yeah, the kids who can’t play in Little League are always put in right field, and the Edmonton Oilers are absolutely, positively that kid. So this comes out of right field”

    They go on to agree that the Panels conclusion that the Flyer’s are crazy is not wrong. I have to agree that the right fielder in little league is as a good summation of the last 8 years of Oilers hockey.

    http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2014/6/18/5822456/aaron-ekblad-philadelphia-flyers-draft-rumors-first-pick-2014

  37. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Loweblow:
    Lowetide,

    Aaron Portzline: The agent for the Oilers recently acquired defenseman Nikita Nikitin: “Unless it’s 4 years and major money, I don’t know why he wouldn’t go to July 1, see what’s there.”

    Way too rich for a 3rd pairing D, pass

    Unless I’ve missed something, you are mishandling that quote. AP didn’t quote Nikitin’s agent but an agent in general.

    Aaron Portzline @Aportzline · Jun 20
    #NHL agent on Nikitin’s talks w #Oilers: “Unless it’s 4 years and major money, I don’t know why he wouldn’t go to July 1, see what’s there.”

    quite a different story.

    And… we have no idea what “major money” means.

    http://www.capgeek.com/player/1794

    current cap hit of 2.15M

    is a raise to say Smid money (3.5M), “major money” to a guy like him? Could be. Is 3M “major money”… could be.

    don’t know.

  38. spoiler says:

    Rondo:
    spoiler,

    Quite an article on Reinhart

    http://canucksarmy.com/2014/6/10/who-should-vancouver-draft-spoilers-it-s-sam-reinhart

    Thank you.

    I had brought in the 17 year old scoring argument on here a couple of weeks ago and came to the same conclusion about Reinhart (in fact I wonder if the author got the idea from here). That’s why I have no problem with taking him if AE and LD are both off the board. I wonder, though, if the Oilers would feel the same way…

  39. spoiler says:

    So we should be hearing something on Nikitin today, if it is going to happen? Do I have the time frame correct?

    And when the hell is the new cap limit announcement, people? Jumping gee whillickers, how can anyone get signed or traded without knowing this key little piece of information?

  40. TheOtherJohn says:

    If NN can play 2nd pairing for most of his contract $3-3.5m is fine $$ for a 4. If he’s a bottom pairing guy we then have $6-7m tied up in a 3rd pairing (w Ference) which is a terrible waste of money

    It’s the pro scouting departments job to advise MacT as to whether he is a legit 2nd or 3rd pairing guy. I’m sure they’ll get it right (not really)

  41. VanOil says:

    TheOtherJohn,

    I am not too concerned about the $$. I am worried about the NTC. The retained salary rules mean we can move on from NN if the kids develop sooner than expected. It is NTC and being ancient that makes the term on the Ferrence deal a rookie mistake by MacT. Tambelini had many faults, his allergy to NTC was not one of them.

  42. Oilanderp says:

    So Bennett was on a better team and so maybe he’s being zoomed. I remember the Spitfires in 2010 were pretty good too. Maybe we made a mistake in taking Hall.

  43. Bank Shot says:

    G Money: This is a perfect example of why arguing loudly for one pick over the other is just plain silly.Even scouts get it wrong – let alone the general public.Comparing Bennett and Draisaitl on these numbers is a perfect example. By one measure (+35 vs +7), Bennett is clearly the better player. Adjust that same measure to differential vs team (-12 and +29) and Draisaitl is clearly the better player.Same adjustment can be made for teammates and ppg.>

    Plus there is no evidence that being the best player on a poor team is any better than being the best player on a good team.

    Maybe Bennett drove possession more than Draisatl? We don’t really know for sure.

    We do have examples of guys like Taylor Hall and Pat Kane who were the best players on stacked junior teams and went on to become two of the best players in the NHL.

    Players shouldn’t be nicked for playing on strong teams if its obvious that they are driving the bus.

  44. Loweblow says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Just quoted a tweet I saw and looks like you’re right, my mistake. One thing is that Nikitin’s agent, Rick Curran and the Orr group have a history of waiting for free agency and see what offers are made. Personally I don’t think he’s the right fit for the Oilers.

  45. Oilanderp says:

    Bennett had more PIMS than pts! Muhahahaha I’m sold! *crosses fingers*

  46. Yak2 says:

    Take Aaron Haydon with that 91st pick

  47. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Pipe dream of a 2C, Jordan Staal

    http://www.theoilersrig.com/2014/06/jordan-staal-off-season-target/

    Rutherford’s leaving CAR makes that at least a possibility.

    That being said, I’m not sold on Staal as a 2C. He seems to me like a tweener, too good for 3C but not quite enough offense for the 2C role. On the flip side, I’ve argued that the Oilers could afford to have a 2C with less offense because of his potential wingers (Yakupov, Hall, Perron, Eberle), provided the defensive acumen is there.

  48. kb says:

    Just read this….
    The Jets reportedly want a young top four defenseman or a top six forward for Evander Kane.

    Klefbom( more likely Marincin) and ganger?

    Doubtful that gets in done, but. I’d love to see Kane and Perron on the same line…..

  49. rich says:

    LT, enjoying the show today. Was just ready to type “trade down with Toronto for their pick and Kadri!”

    Why not, you can write your own rules!

  50. David says:

    Rondo:
    spoiler,

    Quite an article on Reinhart

    http://canucksarmy.com/2014/6/10/who-should-vancouver-draft-spoilers-it-s-sam-reinhart

    I’ve been puzzled this whole time why Reinart isn’t rated number one. Having followed him for the past three years he is a top tier talent. Should be number one.

  51. Dicky94 says:

    Hammers,

    It would have to be a package deal. Gagner and say Gernat for Kadri and Gardiner us the picks. Kadri would be a nice fit for the oil. Still not the solution at center though.

  52. spoiler says:

    RexLibris: Rutherford’s leaving CAR makes that at least a possibility.

    That being said, I’m not sold on Staal as a 2C. He seems to me like a tweener, too good for 3C but not quite enough offense for the 2C role. On the flip side, I’ve argued that the Oilers could afford to have a 2C with less offense because of his potential wingers (Yakupov, Hall, Perron, Eberle), provided the defensive acumen is there.

    Actually Francis feels that Eric would make a better winger than a C and their plans are to use Jordan at 1C. So Rom was right about the pipe dream part.

  53. Dicky94 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    That’s the center we should be all over. Trade down throw in some prospects and get er done!

  54. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Lowetide selects Sam Bennett in the mock draft.

    Is he dead to you now, Rom? :)

  55. RexLibris says:

    spoiler: Actually Francis feels that Eric would make a better winger than a C and their plans are to use Jordan at 1C. So Rom was right about the pipe dream part.

    Hadn’t heard that about J. Staal. I knew they had tried E. Staal on the wing this year, but I’ve also read some strong, and convincing, opinions on J. Staal’s lack of offense.

  56. slopitch says:

    spoiler,

    No worries. If Ekblad is Seabrook type I’d be fine with that. That’s a useful top pairing dman. 2C is just as big of a problem but Chicago survives without one. I’m ok with either player … LD or Ekblad

  57. Rondo says:

    OT:Interesting video

    http://www.tsn.ca/bardown/Story.aspx?TSN+Original%3A+Playing+To+Lose&id=455356

    TSN Original: Playing To Lose

    Tanking for Mario Lemieux

  58. jb says:

    No idea who will be left at 3. The more interesting question is which slightly overpaid 25-29 year old veteran C or D can you get for this pick? We don’t need another D prospect breaking in.. Shultz still needs his training wheels, then all of Klefbom, Marincin, and Nurse seem pretty close to sure things over the next couple seasons. We don’t need a C prospect breaking in who may or may not be a 2C in 2-5 years.

    I honestly believe this team could be borderline playoff worthy with a few strong moves this offseason.

    Dealing that pick, reeling in an above average UFA or two, while continuing to cull the herd could have us further along than most would dare to imagine imo.

  59. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    spoiler: Actually Francis feels that Eric would make a better winger than a C and their plans are to use Jordan at 1C. So Rom was right about the pipe dream part.

    have you got a link on that. very interesting.

  60. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    RexLibris: Rutherford’s leaving CAR makes that at least a possibility.

    That being said, I’m not sold on Staal as a 2C. He seems to me like a tweener, too good for 3C but not quite enough offense for the 2C role. On the flip side, I’ve argued that the Oilers could afford to have a 2C with less offense because of his potential wingers (Yakupov, Hall, Perron, Eberle), provided the defensive acumen is there.

    You are buying the glove, not the bat. He looks like a guy that hits well enough for a 2C. We’ve been over this with Gagner before. If you are in the 50 point range, that’s about right for a good 2C in basic boxcars.

    RexLibris:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Lowetide selects Sam Bennett in the mock draft.

    Is he dead to you now, Rom?

    yea. he blew it. he’s been dead to me all year with his bennett fantasies.

  61. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    this was just published:

    http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/06/21/3954195/canes-hire-a-new-coach-but-francis.html?sp=/99/103/

    “I don’t foresee a major makeover,” he said. “We’ve got some pretty good pieces in place. I know it’s frustrating we haven’t made the playoffs in five years. We finished just outside (the playoffs) by 10 points, which is one win a month (more) over the course of (the past) season.

    “We may do some things but we feel we have a pretty good group here that can compete and win, so there’s no real need at this point to make a major overhaul, in my eyes.”

    Francis said his inclination was not to use a compliance buyout, although noting Friday it would be a part of discussions over the weekend with owner Peter Karmanos Jr.

    “Historically we haven’t done that,” Francis said of a buyout. “We’ll discuss everything with our payroll and where our negotiations are and what we can and can’t do. But we don’t plan to do that at this point, no.”

    The draft will be held Friday and Saturday at the Wells Fargo Center in Philadelphia, and it could be a busy week for Francis and the Canes management group. While there may not be a blockbuster trade to match the 2012 deal with the Pittsburgh Penguins that brought center Jordan Staal to the Canes, Francis may entertain offers and be open to trades.

  62. VanOil says:

    LT, I disagree with the choice of Bennett over Draisaitl for the following reasons;

    a) Following the first Gladwell gimmick of prioritizing the younger player you are ignoring the second Gladwell gimmick of 10,000 hours of development. Coaching and Competition elements aside how easy is it for a Canadian kid to get ice time versus a German kid? I feel these Gladwellian principles balance and Bennett should not be graded higher on this than Draisaitl.

    b) Bennett is described as a Gilmore type player. I fucking hated Gilmore as a Flame and a Leaf. Not a grudging admiration way, just a lingering loathing way. Kissing Don Cherry does not make you a good hockey player only an over hyped one. See every Leaves player for the last 40 years.

    c) MacT has stated he want’s a ‘driver’ style player. This is open to interpretation but Bennett defiantly is one. But I would suggest he is one of Perron quality not Hall quality. I like Perron very much but he is not a game changer that I would waste a #3 pick on. Draisaitl is a ‘possession’ player, a player type that fits the modern NHL game. Bennett hustles up and down the ice, which is great, but Draistail gets the puck – keeps the puck, which is better. The Tippen principle on defense seems to apply here.

    d) Draisaitl plays with a Ryan Smyth style canoe paddle blade. This should be reason enough to draft him alone.

    At 21 through 29 years old I see Bennett being David Perron at the same age Draisaitl could be Anže Kopitar. Oilers have a Perron even better they have Hall but they are lacking a player with possession skills as his default setting.

    I am quite proud that not one stat was used in this post yet it referenced ice time, possession and canoe’s in hyping a Deutschland dangler over a good old Canadian boy.

  63. VanOil says:

    David,

    Sportnet must be trolling with that list. Did they give Damien Cox full editorial control?

  64. freedomisamyth says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    If NN can play 2nd pairing for most of his contract $3-3.5m is fine $$ for a 4. If he’s a bottom pairing guy we then have $6-7m tied up in a 3rd pairing (w Ference) which is a terrible waste of money

    It’s the pro scouting departments job to advise MacT as to whether he is a legit 2nd or 3rd pairing guy. I’m sure they’ll get it right (not really)

    Really the only defensemen in the league that make less than 3M a year are Entry Level players, guys fresh off their Entry level contracts who haven’t proven they are any good yet, or guys you dont want on your team (with the occasional exception like for instance Ben Lovejoy). I don’t really see how having 6M on your third pairing is all that bad, especially when you are going to have young guys like Marincin, Klefbom and Nurse putting in time on their ELC’s over the next couple years. It’s only bad if they end up being a shitty third pairing

  65. speeds says:

    freedomisamyth: Really the only defensemen in the league that make less than 3M a year are Entry Level players, guys fresh off their Entry level contracts who haven’t proven they are any good yet, or guys you dont want on your team (with the occasional exception like for instance Ben Lovejoy). I don’t really see how having 6M on your third pairing is all that bad, especially when you are going to have young guys like Marincin, Klefbom and Nurse putting in time on their ELC’s over the next couple years. It’s only bad if they end up being a shitty third pairing

    It’s a problem if they are 3rd pair D because the 3rd pair is ideally where you’d be breaking in the young D to begin with.

    Not to mention that if they are 3rd pair D, you could probably sign reasonably competent 3rd pair D for less money in which case those savings could be reallocated elsewhere into the roster.

  66. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I was looking over some Draisaitl/Bennett pre-draft stuff this week and something caught my attention.

    First, some background. Remember in 2011 when Landeskog was taken 2nd and the talk surrounding him was his maturity, excellent english skills, poise (yeah, I went there), and basically his off-ice qualities, in addition to his size?

    There was recently some of the same things said about Draisaitl by his WHL GM, he comes from a good family, well brought-up, respectful, most popular player on the team, fixture in the community, so on and so forth. Yet what was praised in Landeskog’s case seems to fly under the radar in Draisaitl’s.

    Also, take the majority of the pro-Bennett arguments and you’ll find a lot about his tenacity, plays every game at a high-level, competes hard, etc.

    Now we’ve more or less agreed that the numbers can be taken in a variety of perspectives that all lend themselves to one or another being considered the best of the bunch.

    But if we take the off-ice characteristics, I notice that Bennett’s seem to be more heavily advertised than Draisaitl’s. In addition, Bennett’s all seem to be inflated with the common “reminds me of” rhetoric (Doug Gilmour, Jonathan Toews, and so on) which I’ve grown to largely disregard.

    Now, I still think that Reinhart is the offensive class of this draft group and is has a chance to become a player that one would recognize as a 1st line center in five years’ time. But I believe that Draisaitl belongs at the top of the draft perhaps just as much if only for one common refrain in his scouting reports: he controls the pace of play with his stickwork and on-ice vision – note: nothing in there directly relating those attributes to his size.

    My draft board would run Draisaitl, Reinhart, Bennett, Ekblad.

  67. RexLibris says:

    VanOil:
    David,

    Sportnet must be trolling with that list. Did they give Damien Cox full editorial control?

    Depends. Was it written in Comic Sans? That’d be a tell.

  68. Rondo says:

    Will Bob Mckenzie’s final mock influence your opinion?

    Ex. What if Draisaitl is ranked #5

  69. Lowetide says:

    Rondo:
    Will Bob Mckenzie’s final mock influence your opinion?

    Ex. What ifDraisaitl is ranked #5

    Bob McKenzie’s list isn’t a mock, nor is mine. His final rankings will be based on conversations he’s had with various scouting directors/GMs, and mine will be influenced my many things. Voices in my head, math, NHLE, McKenzie’s previous lists, Pronman, Red Line, others.

    My final list is out Monday morning, Bob McKenzie’s list will be out Monday night.

  70. G Money says:

    RexLibris: Yet what was praised in Landeskog’s case seems to fly under the radar in Draisaitl’s.

    I think so too. It strikes me that there are a fair number of parallels between RNH vs Landesko in the Reinhart/Bennett vs Draisaitl situation.

    RNH was the right pick for the Oilers back then, still is, and it will bear out over the next few seasons.

    But once you’ve got RNH in the system, Landeskog is a better pick over another RNH.

  71. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    RexLibris,

    Well, that’s why I love this place.

    For the most part, we try to get as much data we can all agree on and steer clear of narratives.

    One thing on this. A well crafted scouting report with no numbers is still data for me. You can learn a lot in a description of a player.

    A narrative is something else… like “he hates to lose” which is just so much projection and bias and bullshit. who doesn’t hate losing. what does that have to do with being good at anything.

    One thing that turns me off of the Bennett conversation (not here, and not with most of the twitter folk I interact with) is the constant refrain of narratives.

    Draisaitl gets it the other way. Look at that Sportsnet report. two sentences on him. here they are:

    “Scouts who rank him in the top four give him top marks for hockey sense. Those who score him closer to No. 10 don’t like his skating and think his effort and impact were spotty after the world juniors.”

    smarmy. that’s how I’d describe this. even the first (apparently positive) sentence is written in such a passive and distant voice: “scouts who rank him in the top four”… like they are off-base.

    And… hey… after the world juniors he scored 48 points in his final 22 games… what a spotty impact.

    ————
    Those narratives don’t add up for me. best to leave them behind.

  72. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    RexLibris: But I believe that Draisaitl belongs at the top of the draft perhaps just as much if only for one common refrain in his scouting reports: he controls the pace of play with his stickwork and on-ice vision – note: nothing in there directly relating those attributes to his size.

    One note on this. he is often credited with using his body well to protect the puck. That’s related to his size, but isn’t a “size!” argument and it isn’t something that would necessarily exclude a smaller player (though I imagine some girth makes this easier)

  73. supernova says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: One note on this. he is often credited with using his body well to protect the puck. That’s related to his size, but isn’t a “size!” argument and it isn’t something that would necessarily exclude a smaller player (though I imagine some girth makes this easier)

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I have been wandering for a while if his name was say

    Joe Linden from Alberta what we would see the draft experts say.

    That Sportsnet report looks more like who they have seen or talked to the most. The only place where Reinhart is that far back.

    Seen him lists are fine, if you see everyone the same amount and with the same open mind.

    In my mind people have preconceived notions on Leon.

  74. godot10 says:

    G Money: I think so too.It strikes me that there are a fair number of parallels between RNH vs Landesko in the Reinhart/Bennett vs Draisaitl situation.

    RNH was the right pick for the Oilers back then, still is, and it will bear out over the next few seasons.

    But once you’ve got RNH in the system, Landeskog is a better pick over another RNH.

    Excepting that Draisaitl is a bigger Nugent-Hopkins, and Bennett is a young physically undeveloped Landeskog.

    In the NHL, one is not going to be able to have the puck all the time like Yakupov and Draisaitl were used to in junior. You have to pass more, and playing without the puck becomes much more important.

    The play, argueably, went through Yakupov and Draisaitl too much in junior, and as Yakupov has struggled without the puck, Draisaitl will struggle without the puck.

    Team Bennett.

  75. frjohnk says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    RexLibris,

    Well, that’s why I love this place.

    For the most part, we try to get as much data we can all agree on and steer clear of narratives.

    One thing on this. A well crafted scouting report with no numbers is still data for me. You can learn a lot in a description of a player.

    A narrative is something else… like “he hates to lose” which is just so much projection and bias and bullshit. who doesn’t hate losing. what does that have to do with being good at anything.

    One thing that turns me off of the Bennett conversation (not here, and not with most of the twitter folk I interact with) is the constant refrain of narratives.

    Draisaitl gets it the other way. Look at that Sportsnet report. two sentences on him. here they are:

    smarmy. that’s how I’d describe this. even the first (apparently positive) sentence is written in such a passive and distant voice: “scouts who rank him in the top four”… like they are off-base.

    And… hey… after the world juniors he scored 48 points in his final 22 games… what a spotty impact.

    ————
    Those narratives don’t add up for me. best to leave them behind.

    I think it was the three weeks after the world juniors where LD kind off fell of the rails.
    http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/story/?id=442022

    “No. 5 on TSN’s list is Prince Albert Raider centre Leon Draisaitl, who is destined to be the highest-drafted German player and, for now, the top European prospect on the TSN list. But Draisaitl seems to be trending in the wrong direction. He played poorly at the WJC and didn’t perform particularly well in the CHL Top Prospects game. But he’s still a big-body, two-way centre. The second half of the season could mean more to Draisaitl’s ranking than any prospect in the draft”

    Once this mid term report came out, he turned it around and he absolutely dominated. Guess those scouts that sportsnet quoted packed their bags and went home after the midterm rankings.

  76. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    supernova: Romulus Apotheosis,

    I have been wandering for a while if his name was say

    Joe Linden from Alberta what we would see the draft experts say.

    That Sportsnet report looks more like who they have seen or talked to the most. The only place where Reinhart is that far back.

    Seen him lists are fine, if you see everyone the same amount and with the same open mind.

    In my mind people have preconceived notions on Leon.

    well, they did have Leon at 4 which is high next to some lists.

    It’s just such a weird list. So little actual information. No real rationale is given for the ordering. It’s just sloppy, bad journalism.

    frjohnk: I think it was the three weeks after the world juniors where LD kind off fell of the rails.
    http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/story/?id=442022

    “No. 5 on TSN’s list is Prince Albert Raider centre Leon Draisaitl, who is destined to be the highest-drafted German player and, for now, the top European prospect on the TSN list. But Draisaitl seems to be trending in the wrong direction. He played poorly at the WJC and didn’t perform particularly well in the CHL Top Prospects game. But he’s still a big-body, two-way centre. The second half of the season could mean more to Draisaitl’s ranking than any prospect in the draft”

    Once this mid term report came out, he absolutely dominated.Guess those scouts that sportsnet quoted packed their bags after the midterm rankings.

    Good point.

    I know he struggled at the WJC and after. But, if you get your shit together and score more than 2PPG in the final 22 games and drag your team into the playoffs… you’d think that would get noted alongside the question marks about his effort and impact.

  77. sliderule says:

    My positive and negatives for Bennett and Draisatl

    Size and strength .big pos for Draisaitl.

    Scoring .About the same but Bennett has an age advantage being 8 months younger

    Skating .advantage Bennett though I think it’s mostly agility as Leon has underrated speed.

    Exposure against top peers..this is a positive and negative for Leon as he had an underwhelming WJC and prospect game..He did however compete and Bennett did not make Canada’s team and was injured for prospect game.The lack of chance to view is a negative for Bennett.

    The oilers are going to pick Leon probably for none of the above reasons.

  78. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    godot10: Excepting that Draisaitl is a bigger Nugent-Hopkins, and Bennett is a young physically undeveloped Landeskog.

    In the NHL, one is not going to be able to have the puck all the time like Yakupov and Draisaitl were used to in junior.You have to pass more, and playing without the puck becomes much more important.

    The play, argueably, went through Yakupov and Draisaitl too much in junior, and as Yakupov has struggled without the puck, Draisaitl will struggle without the puck.

    Team Bennett.

    I think we should be careful how far we go in deciding players are like other players.

    Couple of thoughts though. Draisaitl is noted for his creative passing, I don’t think he has any trouble figuring that out.

    And, the other side of the coin stands. Players who are now dominating jr. are facing the best available comp. They’ll be insulated at the pro level at first and then at least have better teammates.

  79. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    sliderule: Exposure against top peers..this is a positive and negative for Leon as he had an underwhelming WJC and prospect game..He did however compete and Bennett did not make Canada’s team and was injured for prospect game.The lack of chance to view is a negative for Bennett.

    I don’t think it was very hard to make that German team. Making it last year was more impressive. And, the men’s team this year.

  80. rickithebear says:

    slopitch:
    spoiler,

    No worries. If Ekblad is Seabrook type I’d be fine with that. That’s a useful top pairing dman. 2C is just as big of a problem but Chicago survives without one. I’m ok with either player … LD or Ekblad

    in my world you face 1st Comp to be top pairing.

    Seabrook is usually a 2nd comp Dman with a strong EVGA and Good EVA.
    Cause Hjarlmasson and odduya take the beating.

    Now if we could get a 2nd/3rd comp dman with real good EVGA and strong EVA/60 for about 1.75 to 2M less we would be laughing!

    if your oK with a Seabrook and Kieth tandem hammering the 2nd/3rd comp.

  81. VanOil says:

    Can we reduce draft analysis down to key words?

    Reinhart: Thinker (Quaterback also came to mind)

    Draisaitl: Possessor

    Bennett: Driver

    Ekblad: Sheriff

    Nylander: Dangler

    Ritchie: Giant

    Elhers: Sniper

    Virtanen: Tank

    Corrections? Omissions?

  82. G Money says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: They’ll be insulated at the pro level at first

    Well … except for the Nuge you mean!

  83. G Money says:

    VanOil,

    Works for me. Sounds like an RPG player classification too. Except instead of a dungeon crawler, in honour of the Oilers record the game would be classified as a basement crawler!

  84. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: …Voices in my head…

    Careful. That guy can be a jerk.

  85. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: One note on this. he is often credited with using his body well to protect the puck. That’s related to his size, but isn’t a “size!” argument and it isn’t something that would necessarily exclude a smaller player (though I imagine some girth makes this easier)

    Exactly.

    I ding Ekblad marks for using his size to dominate in the junior ranks, but don’t for Draisaitl.

    Is it because I’m biased? No. Everything I have heard/seen from Drasaitl’s play is that he keeps possession of the puck by using his head, which just so happens to be situated approximately 6’4″ off the ground aboard a chassis that may or may not weigh 200-odd pounds.

    And I’ve seen enough junior play, WHL specifically, to know that even a large forward can be stripped of the puck if his talent starts at his toes but ends at his neck. Defense is a different matter, but a forward who can control possession and play, those are valuable players to have.

    I’d sleep comfortably if the Flames selected either Ekblad or Bennett. If they select Ritchie I’ll probably have cramps from laughing too hard.

  86. RexLibris says:

    On another note, I don’t know if anyone here watched it, but Messi. Wow. Heck of a shot with so little room and the wrong angle.

    Fine player there.

  87. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    G Money: Well … except for the Nuge you mean!

    haha!

    exactly. let’s say, in most cases (oilers excluded).

  88. Caramel Obvious says:

    Dicky94:
    TSN is saying the Oil would benefit greatly by trading down with the Leafs and taking Gardiner and the 8th.I can’t see Mac T doing that.The 3rd pick is worth a lot more than that in my mind.

    Anyone know if this rumour is legitimate? I can’t imagine it is. Not even Nonis is that dumb.

    However, if he is, MacT should say yes and slam the phone down before Nonis has a chance to change his mind. Gardiner + the 8th for the 3rd is a drop dead great trade for the Oilers.

  89. Caramel Obvious says:

    RexLibris:
    On another note, I don’t know if anyone here watched it, but Messi. Wow. Heck of a shot with so little room and the wrong angle.

    Fine player there.

    Best player of all time.

  90. supernova says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: well, they did have Leon at 4 which is high next to some lists.

    It’s just such a weird list. So little actual information. No real rationale is given for the ordering. It’s just sloppy, bad journalism.

    Good point.

    I know he struggled at the WJC and after. But, if you get your shit together and score more than 2PPG in the final 22 games and drag your team into the playoffs… you’d think that would get noted alongside the question marks about his effort and impact.

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Seems like it came from the school of though that any content is good content.

    Really hoping that Sportsnet finds their own Craig Button / BoB Mckenzie for draft stuff.

    Would love it if they found a 3 team scout system that travels as well as polls scouts.

    Taking Craig’s list or Corey Pronman and increasing and mixing in bobs list.

  91. rickithebear says:

    Draiatl:

    Desjardins junior projection to age 22 says a 25G 45A Center.
    the 25G 40 A centres last year
    under 6’2″ 210lb
    Crosby
    Seguin
    Giroux
    Tavares
    6’2″ 201lb or larger
    Toews
    Kopitar
    Getzlaf

    Draisaitl played against Russia; Fin; USA; KAz with Germany’s 1st and 2nd Fwds at WHC
    4gm 1G 3A even.

    Played with Germany’s 3rds
    against
    BElarus Grabo-Kostitsyn 0p -1
    and
    SUI Brunner-Cunti- Holstien; Y. Weber; R. Josi 0P -1

    Draisatl’s Coach says he is like Getzlaf. thinks the game way ahead of most and suffers from having to wait for others to catch up. couts use dthe same inconsistent terms.

    Feels he will roll when he gets to play with equal thinkers.

    Ferraro feels Draisatl will be 225-230 in NHL.

    Hall-Draisatl-XXX
    XXX-RNH-Eberle
    XXX-Yakimov-Yakupov
    XXX-Khaira-XXX

    Frojhlk

    Draisatl coach said he tried to hard at WJC had a bit of a post junior hangover and took it to a higher level last 2 months.
    1.96 PPG and a great showing playing with germany’s 1st/2nds at WHC.

  92. WeirsBeard says:

    How does the league they are playing in factor in for who the Oil should, or will, pick?

    Outside of point equivalencies, which is most like the Weestern Conference or Pacific Division? Does coming from a physical junior league or division help in preparing the prospect?

    Are the Oil more interested in drafting a WHL player, as they are more likely to be culturally close to the Oilers or western Canada?

    The MSM always seems to overvalue the OHL players, while undervaluing the Dub and the Q. Simply from seeing these guys more, as so much national media is in TO? That Sportsnet list seems like it is evidence of this. Also seems not very accurate compared to everyone else’s rankings.

  93. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    WeirsBeard:
    How does the league they are playing in factor in for who the Oil should, or will, pick?

    Outside of point equivalencies, which is most like the Weestern Conference or Pacific Division? Does coming from a physical junior league or division help in preparing the prospect?

    Are the Oil more interested in drafting a WHL player, as they are more likely to be culturally close to the Oilers or western Canada?

    The MSM always seems to overvalue the OHL players, while undervaluing the Dub and the Q. Simply from seeing these guys more, as so much national media is in TO? That Sportsnet list seems like it is evidence of this. Also seems not very accurate compared to everyone else’s rankings.

    well, the guys doing the equivalencies work look into how well the players from each league translate into NHL scoring.

    Over the recent past the OHL has done a better job. Vollman gives them a strong edge.

    GD’s numbers are more even. He rounds out all three leagues to roughly the same, but when you look at it, he dings the Q marginally.

  94. WeirsBeard says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: well, the guys doing the equivalencies work look into how well the players from each league translate into NHL scoring.

    Over the recent past the OHL has done a better job. Vollman gives them a strong edge.

    GD’s numbers are more even. He rounds out all three leagues to roughly the same, but when you look at it, he dings the Q marginally.

    Yes thanks to all the big brains here over the years, I understand where the equivilencies are derived. My questions were more centred on league effects outside of those equivilencies, and how they may help us examine the Oilers draft strategy.

  95. HenryDrix says:

    Don’t care about the order, but we need the size of Draisaital in a (pardon the pun) BIG way. I’d take him 1st overall, so if he slids to us at 3, heaven!

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