LOUD NOISES 7: LOCK, STOCK AND TWO SMOKING BARRELS

Taylor Hall arrived in Edmonton in 2010 summer, and the Edmonton Oilers have been taking sound beatings every year since. Sooner or later, you have to stop pissing in the wind, zip up, and turn bloody north.

There is no time like the present.

The Edmonton Oilers have been erratic through spring and early summer, seemingly alternating fine moves with unusual ones:

  1. Hired Craig Ramsay, who represents a perfect fit for a young roster badly in need of teaching after being truant for some pretty important classes.
  2. Traded for, and signed Nikita Nikitin, who took a significant amount of cap space to acquire for the blue line and does not cover off the No. 1 need of summer.
  3. Selected Leon Draisaitl, the ideal prospect for this roster. Center, playmaker, expert passer.
  4. Spent two selections on goaltenders during a draft they were already hampered by a lack of 2nd and 3rd rd picks. Too much talent went off the board without the Oilers getting their fair share in day two.

So, if I’m counting right, the next move will be a stunner and a good arrow.

 OILERS 2014-15 FORWARD DEPTH CHART

CENTER LEFT WING RIGHT WING
RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS TAYLOR HALL JORDAN EBERLE
LEON DRAISAITL DAVID PERRON NAIL YAKUPOV
BOYD GORDON MATT HENDRICKS SAM GAGNER
MARK ARCOBELLO LUKE GAZDIC JESSE JOENSUU
ANTON LANDER TYLER PITLICK

This isn’t good enough by a lot, and if Craig MacTavish isn’t sure he needs to ask his coach. I’ve suggested that the club should address forward by finding:

  1. A 2line C with experience and the ability to play a two-way game. This is a vital piece.
  2. A legit two-way winger who can score 12-15 goals. The Pisani role. Mentor, calms the waters.
  3. Find a way to get value, or make use of, Sam Gagner. This does not include time at center.
  4. Improve the bottom 6F’s.

The first two are the key for this organization and its current management group. Fail in those two areas and we’ll be talking about the new coach some time between now and spring, and chances are MacT will be sweating a little too. Remember, this is Taylor Hall’s FIFTH season on the way, and at some point the dissatisfaction has to find its way out. People were trying to get out of Shawshank, not break in. There’s a lesson there.

My list is Grabovski and Kulemin, but it can be other men. The key is to find men who can cover and contribute, and maybe if there’s time show the way for kids like Lander and Pitlick. If Samwise is dealt, replace him with a player from this tree, the Pisani tree.

 OILERS 2014-15 FORWARD DEPTH CHART

LEFT DEFENSE RIGHT DEFENSE
MARTIN MARINCIN JEFF PETRY (RFA)
NIKITA NIKITIN JUSTIN SCHULTZ
ANDREW FERENCE OSCAR KLEFBOM
DARNELL NURSE

Lots of talk about Christian Ehrhoff today and I’m all for it. Oilers can make it work, even if they have to move Gagner for picks. The idea of adding Ehrhoff to this group is so good, I’ve kind of forgotten about Stralman. Either would be a great solution for Edmonton and they need another guy on the roster.

As I’ve mentioned previously, Nikitin helps in that he’s more mobile than Nick Schultz and Andrew Ference, the first two veterans who suffered under the Schultz Array. I wanted the Oilers to address some defensive issues, and they’ve attempted to already:

  1. A veteran top pairing defenseman. A real man, big time EV minutes and a history of successful sorties. Update: Nikita Nikitin is the solution.
  2. Get Petry signed long term.
  3. Sign Schultz but DO NOT break the bank.

The Oilers chose Nikitin as their big addition, and it has a major impact on the roster. As you see above, Martin Marincin enters training camp as the No. 1 defender—I don’t think there’s any way for a reasonable person to look at Nikitin’s TOI and handling a year ago and project him to a top pairing role. There have been rumblings about signing Petry short term, which means he’ll probably be traded before he flees via the fussy britches wormhole, and the verbal  surrounding Justin Schultz as an actual player never registers, they just keep gushing about him.

Dangerous summer.

 OILERS 2014-15 FORWARD DEPTH CHART

STARTING GOALIE BACKUP GOALIE
BEN SCRIVENS VIKTOR FASTH

Oilers are satisfied this group will be able to survive the rigors of an NHL season, I’d like to see Richard Bachman back in OKC though. Bachman could mentor Laurent Brossoit and leave the other 5 guys to battle it out in central California towns for those jobs.

QUALIFYING OFFERS

Any time now we’ll get the QO for various Oilers both in the city and in OKC. Among those who have to be signed or qualified:

  • Jeff Petry—Hoping for a multi-year contract.
  • Justin Schultz—short contract, reasonable money. This is a very dangerous contract.
  • Tyler Pitlick—My guess is he’s qualified and gets an NHL shot in the fall.
  • Luke Gazdic—I’m hoping for less than a 10-year deal.
  • Curtis Hamilton—Maybe he gets dealt to Dallas again, don’t think he’ll get qualified.
  • Roman Horak—Oilers have to qualify in order to retain rights.
  • Phil Larsen—Same as Horak.
  • Richard Bachman—Suspect they qualify him.
  • Taylor Fedun—I’m not sure. Probably.

It gets started any time. Here we go.

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150 Responses to "LOUD NOISES 7: LOCK, STOCK AND TWO SMOKING BARRELS"

  1. oliveoilers says:

    He’s a deal, he’s a steal, he’s sale of the fuckin’ century. In fact, fuck ya Nick, I think we’ll keep him!

    What Fatman said to Nick the Greek about Ehrhoff. Great movie.

    LT, do you think the buy-outs are done yet?

  2. Lowetide says:

    oliveoilers:
    He’s a deal, he’s a steal, he’s sale of the fuckin’ century.In fact, fuck ya Nick, I think we’ll keep him!

    What Fatman said to Nick the Greek about Ehrhoff.Great movie.

    LT, do you think the buy-outs are done yet?

    No idea. I’m sure some are being discussed though. Haven’t heard about Richards in NYC.

  3. oliveoilers says:

    From what I can gather, reading between the lines, the cap wasn’t quite what some teams expected. In the short-term, it seems to favour the have nots, and definitely scares the crap out of teams like the Hawks and star players asking for $12M per like Toews and Kane. And at the bottom, you know there’s a crazy enough bastard to pay them. TSN seems to think there could be a few fire sales. Gonna take some ‘creative accounting’ for sure. I thought the Richards buy-out went through?

  4. Yak2 says:

    Grabovski and Kulemin for the 2nd line roles, trade Gagner for a defenseman, sign Yakupov’s buddy from Russia: Oskar Osala, which LT gave an NHLE of 35 points, which is what our bottom-6 could use.

    Hall – Hopkins – Eberle
    Kulemin – Grabovski – Yakupov
    Perron – Gordon – Hendricks
    Osala – Arcobello – Pitlick

    Extras: Lander, Joensuu, Gazdic

    Send Draisaitl down for an extra year of Junior. Maybe a chance at the Memorial Cup and a World Juniors appearance.

  5. soup says:

    I read through a couple of Ehrhoff reviews. Undersized defenseman who struggles against bigger players. Perfect for the Oilers. Perfect for the western conference.

    If the Oilers sign him, it will be proof that they have learned nothing over the last 8 years. Moving the puck is not the trouble with this D crop. Defending is.

  6. JamesL says:

    Could the Oilers get both Ehrhoff and Fayne, or would that be too much? Where would they fit?

  7. Caramel Obvious says:

    Right now they have the cap space for something like below. It pushes the limits and the bonus cushion so they’ll never do it. But it’s possible.

    CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
    CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
    FORWARDS
    Taylor Hall ($6.000m) / Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($6.000m) / Jordan Eberle ($6.000m)
    David Perron ($3.813m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($5.500m) / Mark Arcobello ($0.600m)
    Matt Hendricks ($1.850m) / Boyd Gordon ($3.000m) / Daniel Winnik ($3.000m)
    Anton Lander ($0.600m) / Sam Gagner ($4.800m) / Nail Yakupov ($0.925m)
    Luke Gazdic ($0.699m) /
    DEFENSEMEN
    Mark Fayne ($4.500m) / Nikita Nikitin ($4.500m)
    Martin Marincin ($0.730m) / Jeff Petry ($4.000m)
    Oscar Klefbom ($0.894m) / Justin Schultz ($3.000m)
    Andrew Ference ($3.250m) /
    GOALTENDERS
    Viktor Fasth ($2.900m)
    Ben Scrivens ($2.300m)
    BUYOUTS
    Eric Belanger ($0.000m)
    BURIED
    Jesse Joensuu ($0.025m)
    BONUS OVERAGE
    $0
    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (estimations for 2014-15)
    SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,885,167; BONUSES: $3,340,000
    CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $114,833

  8. Gerta Rauss says:

    oliveoilers: I thought the Richards buy-out went through?

    Yeah, it’s done

    What do we know about Chris Kelly in Boston..? I’m betting Chiarelli moves him for next to nothing

  9. Hammers says:

    Rumor that Ehrhof only will go to 1 Canadian city and not in the west . Also Grabovski wants $ 5 mill X 4 or at least 3 . My answer is No to that .. Sooner do Legwand 5X2 if you could get it .News will b a coming on all RFA’s .

  10. danieldelair says:

    My money’s on Kulemin going to Pittsburgh. Malkin needs satiating, and apparently Kulemin is his “best friend” by some reports.

    http://penslabyrinth.com/2014/06/29/pens-targeting-forward-nikolai-kulemin/

  11. sumaclab says:

    agree with soups assessment of Ehrhoff. think bigger more grittier defenceman. need shutdown guys in the WC against the big centers. move on and away from the stralman/ehrhoffs and think bigger is better

  12. oliveoilers says:

    JamesL:
    Could the Oilers get both Ehrhoff and Fayne, or would that be too much? Where would they fit?

    Seems like there needs to be a balance between having NHL players that are in no danger of standing in the way of the draft class.

  13. Lowetide says:

    sumaclab:
    agree with soups assessment of Ehrhoff. think bigger more grittier defenceman. need shutdown guys in the WC against the big centers. move on and away from the stralman/ehrhoffs and think bigger is better

    Ehrhoff is found money. He’s wildy superior to everything the Oilers have now. I’d sign him and be thrilled.

  14. thejonrmcleod says:

    How can Nikitin be the “solution” to the top-pairing D hole if no one believes he’s really the solution? A solution that’s not a solution. That’s sort of like the Mythbusters TV show “confirming” a “myth.”

  15. Lowetide says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    How can Nikitin be the “solution” to the top-pairing D hole if no one believes he’s really the solution? A solution that’s not a solution. That’s sort of like the Mythbusters TV show “confirming” a “myth.”

    He’s the solution because the Oilers made him the solution. Take it up with them! :-)

  16. kooler says:

    soup,

    Had then chance to see Ehrhoff in Vancouver plenty …..he’s been 40-50 point guy and he can run a PP. If Eakins can the PP back, you have your QB. Take him if you can. Schultz could use the push.

  17. HallDown says:

    We need to remember NN was signed with the intent of getting 1 more Dman. Who that RD turns out to be will be a big factor in the effectiveness of the Nikitin deal. From watching Mac’s pre-draft presser, I suspect Fayne was a no go. If I’m wrong here, Craig has one hell of a poker face.

    I like the idea of getting Grabo and Kulemin. Would be massive for the team.

    I only like the idea of Dreiseitl going back to Junior if Prince Albert can compete for the WHL title, Memorial Cup,etc . They only got as far as they did because of Leon and Morrisey. Otherwise not much left for him to do there. If Edmonton can fatten up their current forward corps and surround LD with good line mates on a soft 3rd line role, then do it.

    I am of the opinion that the goal this season is for Edmonton to be playing meaningful hockey in March/April. I do not demand that they make the playoffs, just they vastly improve. That said, if they can sign Grabs, Kuly and a decent RD, get Yakupov rolling in his 3rd year, and find Gagner a useful role or move him for one, the team might just pull it off. It’s a lot of IF’s, but none of them are big IF’s. In fact, all of them are within RE’s based on what we’re hearing.

  18. Younger Oil says:

    I know it comes up every year, but I wonder if we can take advantage and get an RFA from a cap strapped team like Boston.

    Reilly Smith would be an incredible addition to the team. Sign him for 3-4 years at the maximum salary to only give up a 2nd round pick (probably ~$3.5M), Boston probably won’t be able to match it, and that would be music.

    His boxcars and advanced stats are actually pretty exceptional.

    http://www.extraskater.com/player/313/reilly-smith

  19. gr8one says:

    How does free agency work this year…I haven’t been paying attention at all.

    Are we currently in the 5 day “window” teams can talk to players and thus are still signed as of the 1st, or does the window start on the 1st and thus the signings will start on the 5th?

  20. Younger Oil says:

    gr8one:
    How does free agency work this year…I haven’t been paying attention at all.

    Are we currently in the 5 day “window” teams can talk to players and thus are still signed as of the 1st, or does the window start on the 1st and thus the signings will start on the 5th?

    I believe free agency starts at 10am mountain time tuesday. That’s when TSN’s “Free Agent Frenzy” is.

  21. Yak2 says:

    Lowetide: He’s the solution because the Oilers made him the solution. Take it up with them!

    Technically, LT, you made him the solution. MacT said he’s going to play top-4.

  22. Marcus Oilerius says:

    I wonder how long until Ramsay supplants Deakins in the dressing room as the de facto coach. It’s such a dangerous situation for Mr VO2Max to be in, having come across as such an arrogant blowhard who delivered so little, blaming the assistant coaches (in actions if not words), and now having an assistant who is an actual NHL coach come in. Deakins terrible performance, both behind the bench and in front of the cameras, leaves him awfully exposed when it comes to the players, fans, and media. Ramsay is at worst going to come out neutral this season, if we suck, and at best a savior, if we compete for the playoffs. Even with Hall’s dutiful endorsement of Eakins, I can see the young Oilers relying on the veteran coach more and more whether the record remains bad or improves. Particularly so if Ramsay manages to avoid scapegoating a single Russian sophomore for an entire team’s defensive failures.

  23. Lowetide says:

    Yak2: Technically, LT, you made him the solution. MacT said he’s going to play top-4.

    As soon as the Oilers add someone who better fits the definition, I’ll add him. The Edmonton Oilers had an enormous problem and addressed it with an inadequate solution. I’m not letting them off the hook by changing the summer priorities.

  24. eidy says:

    Love Ehrhoff. I suspect they checked on him and was on no trade list. I doubt that the oilers thought the sabres would buy him out. I’m not sure NN is the answer, but he is a real NHL defenseman. That 4.5 mil though….

    Dream of Ehrhoff
    Would be happy with Fayne
    Would settle for Ranger
    Fully expect none of those and get Engelland because oilers

  25. eidy says:

    Lowetide,

    Professional scouting is the scariest aspect of the oilers. Hands down

  26. sumaclab says:

    Lowetide,

    Agree to disagree on Ehrhoff. We”ll see where he lands. The next 3 days is like Boxing day. All the useless stuff that teams throw away become someone else’s treasure’s . Let the frenzy begin.

  27. Frank the dog says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    I wonder how long until Ramsay supplants Deakins in the dressing room as the de facto coach.It’s such a dangerous situation for Mr VO2Max to be in, having come across as such an arrogant blowhard who delivered so little, blaming the assistant coaches (in actions if not words), and now having an assistant who is an actual NHL coach come in.Deakins terrible performance, both behind the bench and in front of the cameras, leaves him awfully exposed when it comes to the players, fans, and media.Ramsay is at worst going to come out neutral this season, if we suck, and at best a savior, if we compete for the playoffs.Even with Hall’s dutiful endorsement of Eakins, I can see the young Oilers relying on the veteran coach more and more whether the record remains bad or improves.Particularly so if Ramsay manages to avoid scapegoating a single Russian sophomore for an entire team’s defensive failures.

    Do you think Eakins can survive this season?

  28. Gerta Rauss says:

    gr8one: How does free agency work this year…I haven’t been paying attention at all.
    Are we currently in the 5 day “window” teams can talk to players and thus are still signed as of the 1st, or does the window start on the 1st and thus the signings will start on the 5th?

    -”shoppping period” opened June 25-teams/players can talk but not sign contracts

    -buyouts opened 48 hours after SC final, they end June 30 with another small window in august if you go to arbitration with another player

    -rfa’s must be qualified before july 1

    -free agency opens tuesday july 1 including rfa offer sheets until july 5

  29. Lowetide says:

    Counting down to the crazy and why trades might work for EDM:

    http://oilersnation.com/2014/6/29/counting-down-to-the-crazy

  30. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Frank the dog: Do you think Eakins can survive this season?

    For sure, if we end up in spitting distance of the playoffs (9th or 10th). The amount of political capital that MacT expended on firing Kreuger, hiring Deakins and then defending him after this unmitigated disaster of a season means that only another complete collapse will result in his dismissal. That said, even a playoff finish will have a lot of folks crediting the new, experienced, able and capable assistant. I can’t really foresee how the players will react, but I can’t help but imagine more than a few leaning more on Ramsay and lending more weight to his word than the guy who lead a significantly better team to a significantly worse record than his predecessor.

  31. Woodguy says:

    Just posted a couple of links at the end of the last thread about Ehrhoff’s NMC.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=370500 (the day he signed with BUF)

    http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/529420 (2nd story)

    http://www.thefourthperiod.com/trade_deadline/notrades.html

    If he and the team had the option of forgoing waivers he *must* have had a NMC.

    NTC do not cover waivers and every player without a NMC *must* be exposed to waivers before being bought out.

    Players and teams without a NMC cannot mutually decide to avoid waivers. The other 29 teams would have a grievance.

  32. Woodguy says:

    CBA 11.8(c)

    (c) A no-move clause may prevent the involuntary relocation of a Player, whether by
    Trade, Loan or Waiver claim. A no-move clause, however, may not restrict the Club’s Buy-Out
    and termination rights as set forth in this Agreement. Prior to exercising its Ordinary Course
    Buy-Out rights pursuant to Paragraph 13 of the SPC hereof, the Club shall, in writing in
    accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3 hereof, provide the Player with the option of
    electing to be placed on Waivers. The Player will have twenty-four (24) hours from the time he
    receives such notice to accept or reject that option at his sole discretion, and shall so inform the
    Club in writing, in accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3 hereof, within such twentyfour (24) hour period. If the Player does not timely accept or reject that option, it will be deemed
    rejected.

  33. Caramel Obvious says:

    Bohologo,

    Lecavalier is terrible. No reason for the Oilers to want him.

    Once Flyers put Pronger on LTIR they can get under the cap without getting rid of anyone. They only have to get rid of someone if they want to sign a high priced free agent.

  34. Caramel Obvious says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    I wonder how long until Ramsay supplants Deakins in the dressing room as the de facto coach.It’s such a dangerous situation for Mr VO2Max to be in, having come across as such an arrogant blowhard who delivered so little, blaming the assistant coaches (in actions if not words), and now having an assistant who is an actual NHL coach come in.Deakins terrible performance, both behind the bench and in front of the cameras, leaves him awfully exposed when it comes to the players, fans, and media.Ramsay is at worst going to come out neutral this season, if we suck, and at best a savior, if we compete for the playoffs.Even with Hall’s dutiful endorsement of Eakins, I can see the young Oilers relying on the veteran coach more and more whether the record remains bad or improves.Particularly so if Ramsay manages to avoid scapegoating a single Russian sophomore for an entire team’s defensive failures.

    Is this nonsense starting already?

    It’s the offseason. Give the mindless posts disconnected from reality a rest.

  35. Woodguy says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    Bohologo,

    Lecavalier is terrible.No reason for the Oilers to want him.

    Once Flyers put Pronger on LTIR they can get under the cap without getting rid of anyone.They only have to get rid of someone if they want to sign a high priced free agent.

    They have to be below the cap on opening day and cannot put Pronger back on LTIR until opening day.

    In previous years they sent players to the minors to drop their cap number on opening day.

    They are not in that position now.

    They have to drop their cap number quite a bit.

    They have 19 players signed and are already over by $250K

  36. Woodguy says:

    In other news Rickbear will have to find a new hobby horse.

    http://blog.extraskater.com/2014/06/on-ice-shot-distance/

    Extra skater has added shot distance to their site. (they are beyond awesome)

    3 stats

    1) On Ice Shots Against Distance
    2) Relative On Ice Shots Against Distance
    3) Relative On Ice Shots For Distance

    The upshot of it all is that no Virginia, like everyone else who has looked at this, they find that Dmen do not have a seriously measurable effect on shot distance, and therefore shot quality, and therefore ONSV%.

    So now that there are 3124321521 posts showing that Dmen have no effect on their ONSV%, will Rickibear stop using it as a measuring stick?

    The nation hold its breath and waits……

  37. Caramel Obvious says:

    Woodguy,

    Thanks. I did not know that. The Pronger injury/contract is really screwing them. That, and many bad decisions.

  38. slopitch says:

    If the Oilers can make 3 key hires (and make good choices) as long as the overpays aren’t too dear in term and price, this thing can really turn around. Cam Barker, Belanger and Hordichuk and we are doomed.

  39. Lowetide says:

    Dustin Nielson @nielsonTSN1260 · 22m

    Flames are apparently very interested in Tom Gilbert. Not sure if they are front runner but are certainly in the mix.

    Dustin Nielson @nielsonTSN1260 · 24m

    Not surprising but the Oilers will be contacting Erhoff’s camp, if the call hasn’t already been made it will be shortly.

  40. Lowetide says:

    Martin Lunden on Lagesson:

    Martin Lunden: “Solid pick at 91. made a huge impact in with jr team. 1st team coach loves him (former U20coach Rönnmark). good size, average+ puck handling. He doesn’t stand out in the SHL, but he’s a 17 y/o playing with men so no wonder. He doesn’t make a fool out of himself though and seems like a good guy (judging off interviews I’ve seen with him). not as loveable as Klefbom but seems smart enough.”

  41. sumaclab says:

    I would take a run at BShenn now that the draft is over. Offer sheet him. Its not like Philly can match. Philly has no cap space and I think a deal ofa 2-1 variety is something the oilers would look at seriously.

  42. sumaclab says:

    Lowetide,

    And Ehrhoff say he wants to sign with a contender. SJ where are you?

  43. rickithebear says:

    soup:
    I read through a couple of Ehrhoff reviews. Undersized defenseman who struggles against bigger players. Perfect for the Oilers. Perfect for the western conference.

    If the Oilers sign him, it will be proof that they have learned nothing over the last 8 years.Moving the puck is not the trouble with this D crop. Defending is.

    You are a wise Man!

  44. Lowetide says:

    sumaclab:
    I would take a run at BShenn now that the draft is over. Offer sheet him. Its not like Philly can match. Philly has no cap space and I think a deal ofa 2-1 variety is something the oilers would look at seriously.

    Schenn signed I believe

  45. Frank the dog says:

    Hey LT, is this an early 5:30 post is there another treat on its way today?

  46. Rondo says:

    Lowetide,

    Sounds like a decent pick at 91

  47. hoser313 says:

    Be nice if some of this Eastern Conference craziness would rub off in the West.

    Hopefully we’ll see some in Chicago with their 2 $12M men. I cannot imagine that will sit well in the dressing room. Other legitimate stars in that dressing room.

    Anyone else think the Sabres must have seen TSN’s “Playing to Lose” special on the Penguins?

    Personally, I would spend big on Ehrhoff.

    If Phaneuf got $7M x 7, I would think $7M x 4 would be a starting point on Ehrhoff.

    C’mon Katz, get that jet ready (again)!

  48. Lowetide says:

    Frank the dog:
    Hey LT, is this an early 5:30 post is there another treat on its way today?

    I’m not sure. :-) I’m kind of waiting for news, so maybe.

  49. PaperDesigner says:

    sumaclab:
    Lowetide,

    And Ehrhoff say he wants to sign with a contender. SJ where are you?

    We’re contending! I think we have an excellent shot at Connor McDavid!

  50. "Steve Smith" says:

    Lowetide,

    LOWETIDE HAS INSIDE INFORMATION THAT A BIG TRADE IS COMING…pass it on.

  51. JamesL says:

    Dustin Nielson ‏@nielsonTSN1260 1m

    Also…a heads up…..Oilers may be close to completing a trade…not sure how significant but somethings up.

  52. "Steve Smith" says:

    JamesL,

    Huh…I thought I was kidding.

  53. JamesL says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    Superbly timed, then, “Steve Smith”.

  54. rickithebear says:

    -Data outside 25 ft would be Forward affect
    that lovely 2 % od dman would be 2% of 1.000
    which is .02 for league average goalie .896 to .935.
    No shit sherlock.
    2% affect of .896 to .935 starting goalie range is
    .04 X.02 =..0008 or for a .916 goalie .9168 to .9152
    there is not enough individual shot data to be that accurate.
    Simple Range test i do for Eng; Ops and Maint work to say. Buddy you Fucked up.

    So what i like to do player to player.
    1.Create a shot chart thru some kind of ninja broken down by Dpair.
    The player with a shot chart list driven by D player sthey play with.
    2. those pairs broken down by Goalie.
    3. look at the even GA by distance and here is the key.
    4. modify for the save % for the 2 distance of each goalie.
    5. now take said chart and break it up by D pairs side.
    6. Then look at video of each goal and see if it is dman; Partner ; or forward who is beat.
    Then we can compare shots by distance and the D man’s performance.

    But hey you measure them from all distance !
    and relative to team and then state a range that results say indicates no influence.
    But when you look at actual game range you realize it is almost 100%.

    Fuck WG:

    You are better than this.
    tell me you did not think the range was 1.000.

    So do a study inside 25 Ft
    Break it up into Dman + Dpartnrer/goalie sets.
    Take WOWY EVGA/60
    Exclude the goals from other d partner and Forwards beat.
    Come up with the real WOWY EVGA/60
    You then get a more measurable success rate and shot rate.
    the reason i Beatthe Fistric drum was he and i mean he gave up 2 Goals all year.

    You waited my response.

    Trying to find real Dmen is too important for generalist shit
    with the wrong range for conlcusion.

    Scientific method tells you to do a look without outside bias.

    I will take my method over this.

    Holy Fuck that studies method is emabrrinsing.

    In my job i had 20 minutes to look at in improper framed Motor sitting in a plant in North Carolina to see if we could use it to replace a failed motor in our plant.
    Dug up original construction note and data. Had to make a call on whether to keep a whole plant shift to bake of the motor.
    As it turned out. In original contract bids hey had put in a under spec. motor by 50 HP.
    with a step start up the break out was not an issue. But the torque issues we had was a result of the motor being underized and switching to VFD’s. So rather than saying yes to the motor.
    I said yes to the properly spec’d motor plus 50 hp which was 100hp above current. Same Frame and Life expectancy but break out and VFD matched and a shift was run thru with OT in Carolina for a whole weekend and a 500,000 dollar motor cost 2.5M. though. it was a flow thru cost to consumer.

    we instituted vibration analysis on all our motors.the Harmonics indicated an accelerated degradation of motor resins.
    it was recommended that 3 specific HP and frame motors be bought for 1M total.
    Fucking accountants said no.

    A question submitted to our boss for town Hall.
    Asking if the accountant was fired.
    The answer was no.

    A lot of dollars decided by people with no clue or Practical clue.

    i recommend you all watch a classic Discovery show.
    The colony.

    We need the Computer Sience guy who covered all there levels of tri intelligence theory.

    Most of you I think of as the former Yugoslavian mechanical Engineer.

    Lots of good theary!
    Nothing works!
    (;

  55. Woodguy says:

    soup:
    I read through a couple of Ehrhoff reviews. Undersized defenseman who struggles against bigger players. Perfect for the Oilers. Perfect for the western conference.

    If the Oilers sign him, it will be proof that they have learned nothing over the last 8 years.Moving the puck is not the trouble with this D crop. Defending is.

    “Teams that focus on defending are kidding themselves. They’re defending because they never have the puck”
    -Darrell Sutter

    Also,

    Ehrhoff is 6’2″ 205lbs

    Since when is that undersized?

  56. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear:
    -Data outside 25 ft would be Forward affect
    that lovely 2 % od dman would be 2% of 1.000
    which is .02 for league average goalie .896 to .935.
    No shit sherlock.
    2% affect of .896 to .935 starting goalie range is
    .04 X.02 =..0008 or for a .916 goalie .9168 to .9152
    there is not enough individual shot data to be that accurate.
    Simple Range test i do for Eng; Ops and Maint work to say. Buddy you Fucked up.

    So what i like to do player to player.
    1.Create a shot chart thru some kind of ninja broken down by Dpair.
    The player with a shot chart list driven by D player sthey play with.
    2. those pairs broken down by Goalie.
    3. look at the even GA by distance and here is the key.
    4. modify for the save % for the 2 distance of each goalie.
    5. now take said chart and break it up by D pairs side.
    6. Then look at video of each goal and see if it is dman; Partner ; or forward who is beat.
    Then we can compare shots by distance and the D man’s performance.

    But hey you measure them from all distance !
    and relative to team and then state a range that results say indicates no influence.
    But when you look at actual game range you realize it is almost 100%.

    Fuck WG:

    You are better than this.
    tell me you did not think the range was 1.000.

    Firetruck

  57. "Steve Smith" says:

    Woodguy,

    In Today’s Western Conference, a defenceman needs to be at least seven feet tall and two hundred and eighty pounds to be successful.

  58. Woodguy says:

    Adrian Dater tweeted that Erhroff and DET have mutual interest.

  59. Woodguy says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Woodguy,

    In Today’s Western Conference, a defenceman needs to be at least seven feet tall and two hundred and eighty pounds to be successful.

    You forgot the heart of a lion, battery acid for blood and the teeth of Suarez.

  60. Gerta Rauss says:

    Woodguy:
    Adrian Dater tweeted that Erhroff and DET have mutual interest.

    That makes sense

    DET appears to have the cap space as well

  61. John Chambers says:

    The Winnipeg Jets absolutely have to trade one of Byfuglien ($5.2, 2 more years), Bogosian ($5.1, 5 more years), or Enstrom ($5.75, 4 more years).

    Given that they’re a team needing some offense off the wing, especially given the likelihood that they’ll be trading Kane, Cheveldayoff would probably listen to an offer for one of his D in exchange for Gagner … And the Jets might be the team retaining salary.

  62. John Chambers says:

    rickithebear,

    This GA/60 is interesting, and I was thinking about it today while I was trying to pull-start a mower with no gasoline …

    Here’s my issue with it – some lines and pairings are essentially iced to neutralize scoring. Take players like Paul Martin, Karl Alzner, Ben Lovejoy, or forwards like Chris Kelly or our own Boyd Gordon. None of these guys are paid to score, they’re all like baking powder trying to dilute the other teams’ acid.

    My thinking is that they’re on the ice for a lot of neutral zone play against the opponents’ middle of the lineup players, and as a result there’s a little risk / little reward aspect to certain players.

    It’s not a bad stat but it’s like a semi-colon … It really can’t stand on its own without another part of the sentence.

    Unfortunately, I doubt it’s the On-Base Percentage of hockey.

  63. WeirsBeard says:

    Woodguy: “Teams that focus on defending are kidding themselves. They’re defending because they never have the puck”
    -Darrell Sutter

    Also,

    Ehrhoff is 6’2″ 205lbs

    Since when is that undersized?

    What is his eye glow/60?

  64. Woodguy says:

    WeirsBeard: How much hair on his ass?

    Parted and brylcreamed into a duck tail.

  65. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: Parted and brylcreamed into a duck tail.

    Oh dear. I bet you I’m the only one on here that ever used Brylcreem

  66. WeirsBeard says:

    Lowetide: Oh dear. I bet you I’m the only one on here that ever used Brylcreem

    Not so.

    I also recall rotary telephones and reading hockey news on paper.

  67. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Oh dear. I bet you I’m the only one on here that ever used Brylcreem

    I actually had some once.

    Bought it at S.S. Kresgese in North Battleford.

  68. Lowetide says:

    Yu guys are just trying to make me feel better.

  69. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: I actually had some once.

    Bought it at S.S. Kresgese in North Battleford.

    Wholy crap they had the best Boston cream Cake.

    Went there every time i could driving thru!

  70. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear: Wholy crap they had the best Boston cream Cake.

    Went there every time i could driving thru!

    Red leather stools with chrome buttons at the diner and having a milkshake.

    Best memory.

  71. WeirsBeard says:

    When is the crazy alarm going to go off in Philly?

    When is someone going to shake loose from one of the cap teams to the Oilers?

    And where is that damn 3 for 1?

  72. One-Timer says:

    In the vein of the GA/60 musings above…
    Probably it would not be too difficult to calculate, both for teams and players, the %age of zone entries. As in, when you’re on the ice, how often do you cross into the opponent’s defensive zone vs. how often they do the same to you.

    Would this be a good indicator of neutral-zone play? Of who is a good puck-mover? Or is it inherently expressed already by Corsi? (since shots are usually taken in the O-zone…)

  73. Backhand says:

    Gagner to TB for Purcell

  74. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Lowetide: Oh dear. I bet you I’m the only one on here that ever used Brylcreem

    Not a chance. Though I never used it on my ass. That’s a dangerous concept, WG!

  75. dawgtoy says:

    Whoa. Gagner gone.

  76. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Caramel Obvious: Once Flyers put Pronger on LTIR they can get under the cap without getting rid of anyone. They only have to get rid of someone if they want to sign a high priced free agent.

    IF they want to sign a high priced free agent. IF!!! Hahahaha. High-priced free agents are like air to the gang in Philly. Gotta have ‘em.

  77. Woodguy says:

    One-Timer:
    In the vein of the GA/60 musings above…
    Probably it would not be too difficult to calculate, both for teams and players, the %age of zone entries.As in, when you’re on the ice, how often do you cross into the opponent’s defensive zone vs. how often they do the same to you.

    Would this be a good indicator of neutral-zone play?Of who is a good puck-mover?Or is it
    inherently expressed already by Corsi?(since shots are usually taken in the O-zone…)

    Seeing as GA/60 is driven my SV percentage, and it’s been proven over and over that Dmen do not affect SV it won’t been indicative of much.

  78. Rondo says:

    Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger · 4m
    Oilers trade Sam Gagner to Tampa Bay for Teddy Purcell.

  79. JamesL says:

    Wow. Did not see that one coming at all. Thoughts, everyone?

  80. Woodguy says:

    Purcell had an awful year.

    Played well with Stamkos previously (natch) but stunk it out this year, especially after Stamkos when down.

    Low value for low value.

    Lose some scoring, add size.

    Leon Draisaitl, 2C on the Edmonton Oilers.

  81. gogliano says:

    Purcell’s contract is 2 more years @ 4.5 million. So close to even.

  82. Racki says:

    Didn’t see the Gagner for Purcell trade coming. Purcell’s pretty big and had a great year a couple years ago. We now the potential is there. But I’m guessing expecting 20 goals is probably a lot. Pair him with Perron and Draisaitl (where Gagner was pencilled by MacT) and that could be a decent line though.

  83. dawgtoy says:

    Hmmmmm.
    @JoshRimerHockey: Wow again RT @SWhyno: #TBLightning to buy out Sam Gagner as long as he clears waivers, team said in a tweet that was then deleted. #Oilers

  84. "Steve Smith" says:

    dawgtoy:
    Hmmmmm.
    @JoshRimerHockey: Wow again RT @SWhyno: #TBLightning to buy out Sam Gagner as long as he clears waivers, team said in a tweet that was then deleted. #Oilers

    Would that allow the Oilers to sign him, since they weren’t the ones who bought him out?

  85. JamesL says:

    This was bound to happen eventually… Purcell seems like better value than I was expecting for Gagner, but maybe I’m overvaluing Teddy P. Didn’t have a great last season boxcars-wise, but I’m under the impression his Corsi was decent? Looking for smarter hockey minds to offer their thoughts.

  86. gogliano says:

    3 scoring lines, folks. 3 scoring lines.

    Also worth noting that the two acquisitions thus far have both been 28 years old. Whatever else, we need more of this.

  87. Zelepukin says:

    There is a god. I bet Purcell is a better centre than Gags and he’s a winger.

  88. Woodguy says:

    I bet the lines shake out like:

    Halll-RNH-Eberle

    Perron-Legwand-Purcell

    Joensuu-Draisaitl-Yak

    Lander-Gordon-Hendricks

  89. book¡je says:

    …pation

  90. Mr DeBakey says:

    Kudos to Elite Prospects
    They already show Purcell playing in Edmonton for 14-15

  91. Woodguy says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    No.

    It’s in the CBA that they’d have to wait a year

  92. JamesL says:

    The Oilers will surely try to add another center via free agency… right?

  93. jb says:

    Who’s surprised? no one. Gagner was given every chance to prove what he can do last year.

  94. FastOil says:

    Bad deal if it’s straight up. Yzerman is becoming league top. Smart, well taken decisions. Timely and without the 3 rings.

    Too bad the Oilers can’t get a struggling centre to be a soft killer winger like Steve is going to do. Please Woodguy tweet Haight or MacT and get them to look into peaks for forwards and D. Time to stop acquiring ghosts for live bodies.

  95. G Money says:

    Racki:
    Didn’t see the Gagner for Purcell trade coming. Purcell’s pretty big and had a great year a couple years ago. We now the potential is there. But I’m guessing expecting 20 goals is probably a lot. Pair him with Perron and Draisaitl (where Gagner was pencilled by MacT) and that could be a decent line though.

    I guess we just traded our challenge at 2C for TBay’s challenge at 2R.

    Not a bad trade in and of itself in that I think it was a given that Sam was moving to wing, and I suspect Purcell may be a better winger anyway.

    However, I sure hope MacT has a 2C trade/UFA ready to go, because otherwise it does seem to mean that L-Drai is pencilled in at 2C for the year, and this is not a good thing.

  96. Woodguy says:

    Is everyone cool enough to be ok when Gagner puts up 70pts playing with Stamkos?

  97. book¡je says:

    “Steve Smith”: Would that allow the Oilers to sign him, since they weren’t the ones who bought him out?

    I seem to remember that being prevented (at least for compliance buyouts)

  98. wordbird says:

    I like it. bigger guy, been around for a bit, started his NHL career with a strong
    system team (LA), hopefully he’s Boyd Gordon useful. 15-20 goals is gravy, too.

  99. misfit says:

    I knew I wouldn’t like it when we ultimately traded Gagner.

  100. Woodguy says:

    G Money: I guess we just traded our challenge at 2C for TBay’s challenge at 2R.

    Not a bad trade in and of itself in that I think it was a given that Sam was moving to wing, and I suspect Purcell may be a better winger anyway.

    However, I sure hope MacT has a 2C trade/UFA ready to go, because otherwise it does seem to mean that L-Drai is pencilled in at 2C for the year, and this is not a good thing.

    He was 1RW. Most common line mate last 3 years is Stamkos.

    I own him in a keeper league.

    I’m putting him on waivers now.

  101. book¡je says:

    Woodguy:
    Is everyone cool enough to be ok when Gagner puts up 70pts playing with Stamkos?

    I am not a fan of this deal, Gagner was injured. It often takes a full year to regain form after that.

  102. HiddenDarts says:

    This one seems like a very good hockey trade. Bravo MacT!

    Now, on to that Grabbo-Kulemin twofer!

  103. Zelepukin says:

    Woodguy:
    Is everyone cool enough to be ok when Gagner puts up 70pts playing with Stamkos?

    as long as Stamkos is cool with pulling double duty in his own zone covering the high guy.

  104. rich says:

    Woodguy:
    I bet the lines shake out like:

    Halll-RNH-Eberle

    Perron-Legwand-Purcell

    Joensuu-Draisaitl-Yak

    Lander-Gordon-Hendricks

    If we sign Legwand, he’ll be a very good defensive forward…and lead the league in empty net goals.

    Not convinced there’s a lot left in that tank, but we’ll see.

    Also – re: are we all ok if Gagner puts up 70 w/Stamkos. It would not shock me. He’s going to the Eastern Conference and not having to play all those games against LA, Ana, St. L and Min. It’s just not the same.

  105. VanOil says:

    Yeah, a 3d line expensive Right wing.

    I will be more impressed when another center is signed.

    Is Nuge, Gordon, Draisaitl, Malhotra good enough down the middle?

  106. Frank the dog says:

    How is Tampa better off waiving/buying out Gags than Purcell?

    Edit: Assuming they waive/buy out Gags.

  107. Woodguy says:

    FastOil:
    Bad deal if it’s straight up. Yzerman is becoming league top. Smart, well taken decisions. Timely and without the 3 rings.

    Too bad the Oilers can’t get a struggling centre to be a soft killer winger like Steve is going to do. Please Woodguy tweet Haight or MacT and get them to look into peaks for forwards and D. Time to stop acquiring ghosts for live bodies.

    I think they’ll play Gagner with Stamkos.

  108. misfit says:

    So we trade Gagner. We don’t fill any holes, nor do we gain cap space. But hey, we traded Gagner!

    *facepalm*

  109. Woodguy says:

    book¡je: I am not a fan of this deal, Gagner was injured.It often takes a full year to regain form after that.

    MacT wanted to get bigger on the wing.

    He did.

    Purcell isn’t wide though.

    Skinny shoulders and tall.

  110. G Money says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Lowetide,

    LOWETIDE HAS INSIDE INFORMATION THAT A BIG TRADE IS COMING…pass it on.

    Damn, good one LT.

  111. FPB94 says:

    IIRC Purcell used to play C. We’ll see what it does.

    I think it’s a really good return, outside of this year where two of their stars just vanished (Stlouis trade and Stamkos injury) Purcell has been producing at a steady clip.

    It’s not the best but he’s a creative passer with size, for a creative passer with no size.

    It’s fine. Guy’s been pushing the puck the good side of the arena for the last 4 years.

    From the Qual Comp and Qual Team he looks to be steadily playing 2nd line opp with 2nd line help. Fine by me.

  112. OilClog says:

    I think he was 17pts few playoffs ago.. He could be a new Pisani?

  113. AZOIL says:

    We can’t have our cake and eat it too! Maybe MacT tried to trade him for picks and nobody was biting. Or it was a garbage low pick. Most of us on here would have given Ganger away for nothing after last season with his costly liabilities. I don’t know much about teddy but if he is a larger winger that is ok at possession and even remotely responsible in his own end I am ok with it. Surround him with some weapons that we have and I’m sure we can find a spot for him. Nice work MacT!!!

  114. Racki says:

    Woodguy:
    Is everyone cool enough to be ok when Gagner puts up 70pts playing with Stamkos?

    I’m hoping for it. Always been a fan of Gagner. So I hope he does well in TB (if the buyout rumor is untrue).

    I think he should do well there. But I don’t think he stood as much chance to do well here though. This deal is for the best, imho. We’ll see though.

  115. striatic says:

    Purcell is a Newf, right?

    When was the last time the Oilers had a Maritimer?

  116. Hammers says:

    If Purcell can still play 3rd line center and give you 35-45 points I’m OK with this . Good Luck to SAMWISE . He will do well in T.B.

  117. "Steve Smith" says:

    striatic:
    Purcell is a Newf, right?

    When was the last time the Oilers had a Maritimer?

    I trust that that was intended to be a non-sequitur?

  118. "Steve Smith" says:

    Woodguy: He was 1RW. Most common line mate last 3 years is Stamkos.

    Wait, so he put up 32 points last year over a full season playing mostly with Stamkos? I could put up more than 32 points over a full season playing mostly with Stamkos!*

    *I definitely could not. My dead grandmother, however, could.

  119. striatic says:

    According to the Vollman, Purcell was a Corsi God last year, and only lightly sheltered.

  120. pboy says:

    The buyout part is nonsense, I’m sure. If they wanted to buy someone out, why not just buy out Purcell?

    Who’s the longest tenured Oiler now? Hall and Ebs?

  121. G Money says:

    Woodguy: He was 1RW.

    Well then clearly we won this trade hands down!

    Actually, I’m not as down on this trade as you are.

    We may be selling low on Gagner, but I think we’re also buying low on Purcell. After two years of being over 0.7ppg (which I think is the long term scoring benchmark for Gagner in my opinion), this last year Purcell had a terrible shooting percentage (7.5%), just a hair better than what Sam shot this year, and so Purcell dropped all the way to 0.5 ppg.

    So we should see a rebound in his numbers just as we’ll see in Sam’s.

    I also like the fact that Purcell is positive CorsiRel all of the last three years, which is quite a bit better than Sam.

    So to reiterate: I think the only real downside of this trade is if it means L-Drai plays 2C next year.

  122. bendelson says:

    Appears a first blush to be a reasonable hockey trade for both teams.

    Gagner playing with Stamkos? Good for Sam. He should do well.

    Welcome Teddy!

  123. pboy says:

    Purcell’s high water marks in the NHL are higher than Sammy’s have been so far.

  124. SaskFan says:

    Great trade his cf rel. last 3 years: +3.3%, +2.1%, +3.5% played similar difficulty and zone starts to gagner as well, probably better linemates though.

  125. striatic says:

    “Steve Smith”: I trust that that was intended to be a non-sequitur?

    No, just a mistake.

    What I meant was “I can’t even think of the last time the Oilers had a player from East of Quebec, let alone Newfoundland Specifically”

  126. hoser313 says:

    Better return than Kyle Clifford, at least.

    I was in the camp that would have held Gagner for another year, but I guess the Oilers would rather have growing pains with Draisatl at 2C than more growing pains with Gagner at 2C.

    MSM will love the trade. Plays into the “changing the mix” narrative. Plus Draisatl, Perron and Purcell. Minus Hemsky, Gagner, Paajarvi.

  127. "Steve Smith" says:

    striatic: No, just a mistake.

    What I meant was “I can’t even think of the last time the Oilers had a player from East of Quebec, Let alone Newfoundland Specifically”

    Then you and I are fine.

    My reserve bid is Dan Cleary.

  128. OilClog says:

    Woodguy:
    Is everyone cool enough to be ok when Gagner puts up 70pts playing with Stamkos?

    Very, Yak isn’t scoring 40 somewhere else.

  129. Mr DeBakey says:

    VanOil: Is Nuge, Gordon, Draisaitl, Malhotra good enough down the middle?

    No
    18-year-olds belong in Junior

    Don’t forget Arcobello

  130. kinger_OIL says:

    Wow – this is a great post LTL you have had a few sips from my drink I think we are on the same page. Just getting caught up on the trade, so a new post coming for sure, but LT you have framed this great: Now we are even further behind, for the first time in a few years, you aren’t saying: “if everything works out with the new magic beans we have, this is a playoff team” Knowing is half the battle. Smart trade by Stevie Y: Gagner is a mini Stevie Y. There was a great quote about Steve Y’s career I read from a player: basically Steve Y didn’t actually turn into a different player, he just got surrounded by a better team and he therefore got better. Gagner wasn’t the problem… Looking forward to the next post. Our team is now worse than before the trade for sure.. Still miles away from contending. Hall is going to be pissed at the end of this year. Thanks again for setting proper expectations LT…

  131. Racki says:

    Purcell played mostly with Killorn and Fillpula last year, per left wing lock.. so his low season wasn’t spent with Stamkos much (of course, him not playing for more than half the year makes that fact a bit of a no brainer).

  132. steveb12344 says:

    So game 6 on Oct. 20 Bolts come to town to play the Oil.

    What’s the line for Sammy getting booed or not?

  133. Woodguy says:

    G Money: Well then clearly we won this trade hands down!

    Actually, I’m not as down on this trade as you are.

    We may be selling low on Gagner, but I think we’re also buying low on Purcell.After two years of being over 0.7ppg (which I think is the long term scoring benchmark for Gagner in my opinion), this last year Purcell had a terrible shooting percentage (7.5%), just a hair better than what Sam shot this year, and so Purcell dropped all the way to 0.5 ppg.

    So we should see a rebound in his numbers just as we’ll see in Sam’s.

    I also like the fact that Purcell is positive CorsiRel all of the last three years, which is quite a bit better than Sam.

    So to reiterate: I think the only real downside of this trade is if it means L-Drai plays 2C next year.

    I’m not down on the trade.

    I think MacT did ok.

  134. bendelson says:

    steveb12344:
    So game 6 on Oct. 20 Bolts come to town to play the Oil.

    What’s the line for Sammy getting booed or not?

    Not.

  135. Woodguy says:

    Racki:
    Purcell played mostly with Killorn and Fillpula last year, per left wing lock.. so his low season wasn’t spent with Stamkos much (of course, him not playing for more than half the year makes that fact a bit of a no brainer).

    Stamkos was hurt fairly early.

    Previous 2 years Stamkos is his most common line mate.

  136. FastOil says:

    Woodguy: I think they’ll play Gagner with Stamkos.

    I was thinking, funny Yzerman appears to see Gagner as a replacement for St Louis possibly. As long as I can remember, the Oilers can get an idea about a player and if it doesn’t work out they scuttle, win or lose.

    When I mentioned three rings about Yzerman I meant circus as opposed to 6 rings. The Oilers need to grow up as an organization, run with the big boys, and start doing things to maximize team value, including sheltering a player they can’t stand in hopes to at least retain equity if they make a move.

    We saw it coming but it still sucks.

  137. Ryan says:

    Zelepukin: as long as Stamkos is cool with pulling double duty in his own zone covering the high guy.

    Nicely done.

  138. FastOil says:

    Oh, and congrats to Sam. What a place to land for him with that centre, GM, coach, and lifestyle, hashtag golden spoon.

  139. AZOIL says:

    2010-2011 LIGHTNING 81 17 34 51 5 10 3 0 1 196 8.7
    2011-2012 LIGHTNING 81 24 41 65 9 16 8 0 3 152 15.8
    2011-2012 CANADA-WC-A 8 1 1 2 1 0 0 0 0
    2012-2013 LIGHTNING 48 11 25 36 -1 12 3 0 2 94 11.7
    2013-2014 LIGHTNING 81 12 30 42 -3 14 3 0 4 157 7.6
    NHL TOTALS 401 75 153 228 -1 66 21 0 12 778 9.6

    42 points last year without stamkos due to injury most the year. 36 pts in the 48 game season and then 65 and 51 in the two years previous to that. Had a low Sh% last year but I think he should rebound to the 50 to 60pt range and not be a defensive hole like Ganger. I like it.

    I like Ganger but he wasn’t the right guy for our team and the mix of players we have right now. All the best in tampa.

  140. Ryan says:

    Holy $$$$l-lit!!
    I thought you guys were blowing smoke as per usual.

    Samwise got traded. Wow.

  141. Ryan says:

    My buddy from the royal half used to constantly make fun of teddy when he was a king, I’ll have to look him up again.

  142. Racki says:

    Woodguy: Stamkos was hurt fairly early.

    Previous 2 years Stamkos is his most common line mate.

    That was directed to the comment that Purcell put up 32 points playing with Stamkos. It was actually 42 points, and not a lot with Stamkos last year.

    He played with Stamkos lots the previous 2 years though, but wasn’t disputing that at all.

  143. "Steve Smith" says:

    Racki: That was directed to the comment that Purcell put up 32 points playing with Stamkos. It was actually 42 points, and not a lot with Stamkos last year.

    Oh, okay – that’s much more in line with my dead grandmother’s abilities. Thanks for the clarification.

  144. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Unless EP missed something, Lagesson has never played in the SHL or the other men’s league, the Allsvenskan

    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=86158

  145. AZOIL says:

    Ganger to the coyotes now!

  146. HiddenDarts says:

    AZOIL:
    Ganger to the coyotes now!

    I’m definitely gonna miss that Gangre fella. So many creative ways to spell his name.

  147. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Christ, Gagner was traded!!

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