MOVING PARTS

Now that we’ve established there are going to be players leaving YEG, let’s have a look at specific players and why they’ll be out the door—and more importantly—why a team would trade for them.

NAIL YAKUPOV

  1. Why Are they trading him? If the Oilers decide to do a re-set on Yakupov, it will be a mistake. However, in his postseason presser, Craig MacTavish did not mention Yakupov as the big part of the future (Hall, Nuge, Eberle, Schultz were mentioned) in Edmonton. That same article tells us MacT said they were committed to developing Yak City, but I think there’s a reasonable doubt in the organization’s mind.
  2. Why does he have value? Yakupov has the potential to score 40 goals a year. Exceptional potential value.
  3. Will he go and what will the Oilers get? I think it’s going to be close. If Edmonton can find a young player who better fits their plan, they may pull the trigger. I believe that may include men like Michael Dal Colle and Nick Ritchie, who will go No. 5 or later at the draft.

SAM GAGNER

  1. Why Are they trading him? Sam Gagner hasn’t improved his play at center, and it’s been a long time. He won a big contract from the Oilers and was going to have a hard time delivering full value for it even  before the injury. It feels like time, although he could re-invent himself as a winger.
  2. Why does he have value? Gagner’s a solid offensive player. Two years ago, he posted a 1.94/60 at 5×5 and in 12-13 he was a monster on the power play. A team with responsible two-way wingers could protect Gagner without the puck and employ him as an offensive force with strong zone starts and 5×4 time.
  3. Will he go and what will the Oilers get? Yes. In return, I expect the club will either acquire a similar talent with a wider range of skill (Josh Bailey, etc) or they might trade him for picks and use the $4.8M in free agency. I think he’s gone.

DAVID PERRON

  1. Why Are they trading him? I think Perron is the ‘outer marker’ player Edmonton would trade for a legit top center. If they can get that player, and part of the ask is Perron, I suspect MacT would pull the trigger.
  2. Why does he have value? David Perron is a skill player with grit and responsibility. I have no idea why St. Louis traded him, but it was an error.
  3. Will he go and what will the Oilers get? No. If Martin Hanzal is available, and Perron is the ask, then the Oilers would have to consider it.

JEFF PETRY

  1. Why Are they trading him? The Oilers make this contract a big decision in their team-building template. They proceeded with Sam Gagner last season, buying some free agent seasons. Steve Tambellini moved the problem to here, and now Craig MacTavish has to address it. Free agent seasons for Petry are going to cost money, a guess would be well north of $4M dollars. How many years? How much investment? Does he fit the plan? We’ll know soon.
  2. Why does he have value? Petry has terrific value, although I’ve never been completely convinced the Oilers think as much of him as they should.
  3. Will he go and what will the Oilers get? No. I think he stays. Edmonton doesn’t have much experience back there, and Petry is a strong option. I think MacT may have arrived just in time, based on his postseason comments: “Jeff Petry — for some of the criticism that he took at times, had a career year in a lot of statistical categories. He’s a developing player as well.”

MARTIN MARINCIN

  1. Why Are they trading him? The Oilers have to give in order to get, and may feel Oscar Klefbom is ready to take on Marincin’s role in their top 6D. Remember this club is committed to Andrew Ference, and may be bringing in a top pairing option. The LH side this fall may feature the new hire on 1LH, Klefbom on 2LH and Ference as 3LH. It’s possible.
  2. Why does he have value? Marincin arrived NHL ready, and played extremely well this season. You could argue he was their best defenseman and get very little push back from anyone, and he’s still developing as a player. Exceptional potential, and there was interest last summer (Vancouver).
  3. Will he go and what will the Oilers get? I believe there’s a real chance he’s dealt. Edmonton badly needs a veteran presence who can play way over 20 minutes a night, and there may some available (Phaneuf, Byfuglien, Coburn, Ehrhoff). Part of the ask will surely be a young defenseman with the potential to grow into that role.

CURTIS HAMILTON

  1. Why Are they trading him? The Oilers may not want to qualify him, and there has been interest in Hamilton in the past.
  2. Why does he have value? As we approach draft day, teams may want to deal off excess picks (some teams have a ton) and take a flyer on a more advanced prospect. Hamilton has shown flashes, and was a second-round pick not terribly long ago.
  3. Will he go and what will the Oilers get? Yes, and I think a late-round pick comes in return. Maybe it will be Dallas again.

MARTIN GERNAT

  1. Why Are they trading him? Martin Gernat is EXACTLY where the Houston Astros were in the early 1970s with John Mayberry, Cliff Johnson, Bob Watson, Mike Easler and those other bats. A ton of similar talents all clustered together, enough to feed an entire division back in 1971.
  2. Why does he have value? Like Martin Marincin and Oscar Klefbom and Darnell Nurse, this young man has size, speed and range. His abilities are raw compared to the others, but we were saying  that about Marincin not so long ago.
  3. Will he go and what will the Oilers get? Yes. A smart team is going to ask after him, and the Oilers have so many other options it won’t feel like pain.

 

As I mentioned in last night’s post, this is an extremely dangerous summer for Craig MacTavish. The career of a young player like Martin Marincin is like viewing a iceberg above the water—impressive, but a whole lot we can’t see. There’s every chance he’ll be in this league in 2025—seriously. That’s a lot of talent to send away for veteran help.

Now. Everything I just said about Marincin? Apply it to Gernat. The Oilers have a lot of nice things developing now, and many are at the pro level.

Keep Calm and choose wisely, Craig MacTavish.

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121 Responses to "MOVING PARTS"

  1. hunter1909 says:

    Hopefully Yakupov gets banished before he breaks out. No point in wasting another good player ala Taylor Hall. RNH was handled masterfully by Dallas Eakins last season, regressing to the point where another major injury or two and he’s no longer considered a future star player.

    Marincin also needs to go. His play was simply too naturally prescient, understanding the reality that’s NHL defense play. Best to go for the chronically injured Klefbom. Petry I’ve always considered to be the type of player that ends up playing on a championship team, and therefore he too will be sent away, to restock another, contending NHL franchise ala the LAKings.

    This is the life of a bottom feeder.

  2. Lowetide says:

    hunter1909:
    Hopefully Yakupov gets banished before he breaks out. No point in wasting another good player ala Taylor Hall. RNH was handled masterfully by Dallas Eakins last season, regressing to the point where another major injury or two and he’s no longer considered a future star player.

    Marincin also needs to go. His play was simply too naturally prescient, understanding the reality that’s NHL defense play. Best to go for the chronically injured Klefbom. Petry I’ve always considered to be the type of player that ends up playing on a championship team, and therefore he too will be sent away, to restock another, contending NHL franchise ala the LAKings.

    This is the life of a bottom feeder.

    There’s really not a word out of place here, aside from the Eakins anger. I think Eakins may end up being the guy who Yakupov scores a golden goal for, but we’ll see how it all rolls out.

  3. speeds says:

    Yes, at some point EDM has to look to win now, but it doesn’t necessarily follow that trading Klefbom or Marincin for a guy like Coburn is the best way to accomplish that.

    Edmonton would be giving up 7 years of Klefbom for 2 years of Coburn, I would rather roll dice on Klefbom. Even if you’re heavily weighing the short term, it’s important to factor in the money saved for the two years you have Coburn under contract. He’ll have a cap hit of 4.5M while Klefbom is under 1M once you ignore bonuses (he’s not the kind of D likely to hit them), meaning that even in the short term you can either have either Coburn, or Klefbom + 3.5M cap room for another D. Personally, I would rather the 2nd option, especially when factoring in that the first alternative leaves you with nothing in 2 years, while the second leaves you with 5 more yrs Klefbom. That is pretty much a no brainer to me, especially since it’s by no means a given they make playoffs in the short term, and are looking to build a long term, sustainable contender.

  4. OilClog says:

    Trading yak or Perron will be the final dagger in this edition.

    2018 playoffs?

  5. David says:

    The thing about trading “7years of Marincin and or Klefbom for 2 years of Coburn and or Phanuef” is that it would massively improve the Oilers this upcoming season and while we would lose out on all those years of Marincin and Klefbom it might not matter. With Nurse and Simpson and Gernat and Oesterle and Musil still in the system I think these deals are the way to go if we want to see playoffs next year. And it won’t hurt our future because of our wealth in left Defense prospects.

  6. misfit says:

    If Yakupov is traded for the #5, then something good in the form of an NHL roster player had better be coming along with it. And no, Josh Bailey doesn’t count. Nielsen at the least would have to be involved. You simply don’t trade a young NHL talent like Yakupov for a draft pick, especially when that player would be the consensus #1 pick in the draft.

  7. speeds says:

    David,

    It would also improve the Oilers to use the 2M they are allocating for the 3rd pair type MacTavish talked about in the Spector article, along with the 3.5M saved by retaining Klefbom in place of Coburn, to find a top 4D, which would still leave them with Klefbom in the system.

  8. Lowetide says:

    I don’t think there’s any reasonable way to justify trading Marincin or Klefbom to the Flyers for Coburn straight up.

  9. David says:

    Trading Gagner for Picks is out of this world crazy. The smart bet is for Gagner to have a bounce back season. His worth is pennies on the dollar and we don’t have the depth to give up actual players.

    Stoll, Glencross, Brodziak, Cogliano, are some of the players we handled poorly and are being key parts of other teams. If we trade Gagner expect the trade to be mocked and ridiculed within one years time.

  10. David says:

    Lowetide:
    I don’t think there’s any reasonable way to justify trading Marincin or Klefbom to the Flyers for Coburn straight up.

    Are either of them as good as Coburn yet? Are they guaranteed to? I agree this trade in itself would probably be a loss after ten years but it would greatly improve the Oilers now and it wouldn’t actually harm them in the future because of other fantastic prospects that could well be even better than Marincin and Klefbom. There is no downside.

  11. John Chambers says:

    It occurred to me yesterday that the Oilers are a ‘small’ team by chance as opposed to by design.

    Take for instance the failed development of Pouliot, Plante, Paajarvi, and JF Jacques. All of these guys were prime draft picks that failed to materialize.

    On the other hand the smaller guys: Cogliano, Eberle, Gagner, and then Nuge happen to have panned out with offensive skills necessary to win.

    Really the team was headed in the right direction by getting big forwards like Cole and Penner to play alongside the smaller skill guys. The team had a mobile defense corps consisting of the likes of Visnovski and Gilbert … even Grebeshkov. Add in a big C and the team wouldn’t look all that dissimilar from today’s Anaheim Ducks.

    Then 5 years of insanely incompetent management where ego, a bad goalie contract, a predilection for slow-footed rearguards, andtoad enchant to lean too heavily on inexperience and voila: it needs a few sticks of dynamite to put it back together again.

  12. speeds says:

    Lowetide,

    I think Marincin would be one of the least likely players for EDM to move, were I the GM, because he’s in a strange spot where he hasn’t played a ton but he’s played very well when he has.

    He’s too much of a “value contract”, as you call it, to move without a great return, and likely not proven enough for another team to give EDM a strong enough offer for Edmonton to move him.

  13. Lowetide says:

    David:
    Trading Gagner for Picks is out of this world crazy. The smart bet is for Gagner to have a bounce back season. His worth is pennies on the dollar and we don’t have the depth to give up actual players.

    Stoll, Glencross,Brodziak, Cogliano, are some of the players we handled poorly and are being key parts of other teams. If we trade Gagner expect the trade to be mocked and ridiculed within one years time.

    Gagner is two parts, the player and the salary. You might not find a good landing place with value for that player, and may be forced into picks. You CAN find a good landing place for the $4.8 million.

    Think of it as Sam Gagner for a 2nd, a 4th and Stralman.

  14. Lowetide says:

    David: Are either of them as good as Coburn yet? Are they guaranteed to? I agree this trade in itself would probably be a loss after ten years but it would greatly improve the Oilers now and it wouldn’t actually harm them in the future because of other fantastic prospects that could well be even better than Marincin and Klefbom. There is no downside.

    Oilers aren’t on their way to Stanley, and by the time they are, there is every chance marincin will be abetter player than Coburn, then and now.

    And I like Coburn!

  15. Yak2 says:

    @LT
    Perron was traded because STL needed cap space for Pietrangelo and they felt they had players in their system similar to Perron (Tarasenko, Rattie, Jaskin, Schwartz).

  16. David says:

    Lowetide: Gagner is two parts, the player and the salary. You might not find a good landing place with value for that player, and may be forced into picks. You CAN find a good landing place for the $4.8 million.

    Think of it as Sam Gagner for a 2nd, a 4th and Stralman.

    Well then for the love of everything good, they better trade him after they find a free agent replacement!

    Personally I’d keep Gagner.

  17. Lowetide says:

    speeds:
    Lowetide,

    I think Marincin would be one of the least likely players for EDM to move, were I the GM, because he’s in a strange spot where he hasn’t played a ton but he’s played very well when he has.

    He’s too much of a “value contract”, as you call it, to move without a great return, and likely not proven enough for another team to give EDM a strong enough offer for Edmonton to move him.

    Agreed. Players making under $1.5M and occupying key roles for Edmonton last season wasn’t a long list.

  18. David says:

    Lowetide: Oilers aren’t on their way to Stanley, and by the time they are, there is every chance marincin will be abetter player than Coburn, then and now.

    And I like Coburn!

    My point is when that time comes the Oilers would still have Nurse, Klefbom, Simpson, Gernat etc.

  19. rycoburger says:

    Would you do Gagner and Marincin for Marchand and Boychuk?

    I understand that another shoe would have to drop to free up the wings a bit and solidify 2C… and I am NOT a fan of Marchand… but this would satisfy needs for both teams.

    Depending on how much the Oilers overvalue the “toughness” factor, I think that a pick should go to the Oil if this trade was to happen.

  20. RexLibris says:

    Maybe it is just some sort of inherent character flaw of mine, but I’d rather the Oilers traded Yakupov for the 5th overall or Coburn or some such lunacy than move Marincin, Petry or Gernat.

    At least Yakupov would be traded from a position of NHL-level surplus.

    Moving Petry for Coburn (or equivalent) would be like using the VISA to pay the MC, in the end it just puts you in a deeper hole.

    And I truly feel that any trade involving Marincin or Gernat for a pick or a current 2nd/3rd pairing defender will be the prologue to one of those “can you believe they were so shortsighted they traded him for player X” stories a few years from now.

    Hamilton for a pick somewhere after the 4th round. Yikes. But better than nothing *coughThomasHickeycough*.

    I’ve spent these past few months anxiously awaiting the summer for MacTavish’s moves and now, LT, you’ve gone and scared me stupid over what might happen. Thanks a bunch. Jerk.

    ;)

  21. delooper says:

    I can’t imagine the headline “Craig McTavish runs out of cheetos, decides to roast his leg for lunch.”

    Hamilton and Gernat I could imagine being part of trades. The rest? Almost impossible unless some serious magic occurs.

    To me it looks like the Oilers are on the verge of having a substantial D core. I’d be hesitant to trade Gernat away, as they’d start to be shy on depth without him in the system. Something has to be done about Gagner but it looks like the Oilers have painted themselves into a corner and they’re reaping what they’ve sow’d.

  22. misfit says:

    Just one look at the Oilers’ RW depth chart without Yakupov on it should make it painfully clear that it is not a position of “NHL level surplus”. Far from it

  23. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris,

    At least Yakupov would be traded from a position of NHL-level surplus.

    The Oilers only have 1 player who broke Stamkos’ rookie goal scoring record in the OHL.

    He is not surplus.

  24. Woodguy says:

    David: My point is when that time comes the Oilers would still have Nurse, Klefbom, Simpson, Gernat etc.

    None of who have posted a +15 RelCor playing the toughest minutes in the NHL.

    Marincin has.

    Counting on players to become something before they actual achieve it is the Oilers MO since 2006.

    Continuing it is folly.

  25. Woodguy says:

    Trading Yak for Ritchie would be the nadir.

    Worse than the Khabby contract and OTC in charge.

    I think I know why you put stuff like this out there.

    So when it doesn’t happen you can feel relief because relief is a good feeling and the Oilers have provided very little good feelings in 8 years.

    Seriously though, I could see why they’d do Yak for 1st overall (wouldn’t agree with it, but I would understand it)

    Yak for Ritchie is Atlanta Thrashers bad.

  26. Woodguy says:

    David,

    Are either of them as good as Coburn yet?

    I would say that Marincin’s results are close if not better last year.

    2 years of Coburn, who may be worse than Marincin for 6+ years of Marincin is just awful.

  27. Woodguy says:

    Everything the Oilers need is available in FA and they have pile of dough to spend.

    Shipping out any of:

    Hall
    RNH
    Yak
    Eberle
    Perron
    Petry
    Jultz
    Marincin
    Klef

    …..is not required unless its for a home run (ie. Couturier or similar coming back)

    Get Good Players and for the love of everything that is right in the world Keep Good Players.

  28. rogue says:

    If, and I mean IF, Yak returns you a 1st. line center/dman, than yes I may be on board. Otherwise, I have my doubts.

    The free agent market is the key to all this. Move Gags and free up that money for free agents. I would love to see a Spezza, Thornton or Stastny here to take some pressure off of RNH. Give him a couple of years to grow into his role. Stralman/ Niskanen, paired with Petry, Oduya/Boychuk,Ference with Marincin and Schultz would make me semi pleased with the make-up of this team.

    And while I am wishing, Neal/Marchand would thrill me on this Fathers Day, too.

  29. Lowetide says:

    Really nice update on 2013 Oilers draft from their website. VERY worthwhile read.

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=722759&navid=DL|EDM|home

  30. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Posted an Oilers lineup I cal Pierre McGuire’s Wet Dream over on capgeek. Trade Yak for jack Johnson, gagner for Clarkson, big free agent pay days for Orpik and Bolland.

    Boom, grit.

  31. David says:

    Woodguy: None of who have posted a +15 RelCor playing the toughest minutes in the NHL.

    Marincin has.

    Counting on players to become something before they actual achieve it is the Oilers MO since 2006.

    Continuing it is folly.

    My bet is Nurse is the superior player.

    Woodguy:
    David,

    Are either of them as good as Coburn yet?

    I would say that Marincin’s results are close if not better last year.

    2 years of Coburn, who may be worse than Marincin for 6+ years of Marincin is just awful.

    So you would run Marincin first paring next year no worries?

  32. David says:

    Woodguy,

    If Marincin is as good as you are saying then the Oilers don’t need to add to their Defense. It’s fine the way it is.

  33. Woodguy says:

    David,

    My bet is Nurse is the superior player.

    He may be, but he’s at least a year, maybe 2 from taking a shift in the NHL.

    How about having both Marincin and Nurse?

    How about keeping all your good players?

    Its a good idea.

    So you would run Marincin first paring next year no worries?

    No, I try to bring in a 1LHD. I like Ehroff and would even be ok with Coburn as long as he didn’t cost Marincin or Klef (assuming Nurse is off the table)

    If forced into it, you run Marincin as 1LD, but you move heaven and earth to get someone else.

  34. Jon K says:

    Moving Marincin at this point would be pure stupidity. It can be notoriously difficult to project the upside for physically undeveloped puckmoving defenders.Two teams lost patience with Stralman and now he’s a legitimate top 4 option on a contender at the ripe old age of 27, notwithstanding the facts that he’s only listed at 5’11″ and 190 lbs.

    At the age of 22 Marincin already has better size, skating, and performance than Stralman.

    Simply put, we don’t yet know what we have with Marincin. It could be disastrous to move him if he continues to improve.

  35. speeds says:

    David: Are either of them as good as Coburn yet? Are they guaranteed to? I agree this trade in itself would probably be a loss after ten years but it would greatly improve the Oilers now and it wouldn’t actually harm them in the future because of other fantastic prospects that could well be even better than Marincin and Klefbom. There is no downside.

    There is a ton of downside.

    There’s a non-zero chance that Marincin is better than Coburn quickly. There’s a non zero chance every single one of the other prospects busts.

    I would rather have Marincin(1M) and Stralman (5.5M*) than Coburn (4.5M) and Greene (2.0M), both in the short term and definitely in the long term.

    * I used 5.5M for Stralman not because I think it would take that much to get him signed, but to illustrate two uses of 6.5M in cap money.

  36. Woodguy says:

    David:
    Woodguy,

    If Marincin is as good as you are saying then the Oilers don’t need to add to their Defense. It’s fine the way it is.

    Why?

    Where did I say that?

    Just because I think he’s probably as good as Coburn?

    I actually like a hockey team that has more than a few good players.

    I want to see Marincin-Petry as 2nd pair
    I want to see Ference-Jultz as third pair.

    A top pairing of Coburn-Stralman would be good to see.

    Marincin may be as good as Stralman right now, but 2nd pairing is much better than 1st for a young D like Marincin.

    Ideally the Oiler D is good enough that Marincin is 3rd pairing, but that won’t happen with Ference under contract.

  37. David says:

    Woodguy:
    David,

    My bet is Nurse is the superior player.

    He may be, but he’s at least a year, maybe 2 from taking a shift in the NHL.

    How about having both Marincin and Nurse?

    How about keeping all your good players?

    Its a good idea.

    So you would run Marincin first paring next year no worries?

    No, I try to bring in a 1LHD.I like Ehroff and would even be ok with Coburn as long as he didn’t cost Marincin or Klef (assuming Nurse is off the table)

    If forced into it, you run Marincin as 1LD, but you move heaven and earth to get someone else.

    What is your suggestion for moving heaven and earth if Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin, Yakupov are off the table? The 3rd overall?

  38. blainer says:

    It seems that we have a few people and maybe oiler management that would be ok with moving Yak. I get the fan base wants to keep him.. it IS too early to give up on him…but .. I think the oilers coach and MacT are worried about a repeat of last years issues between Yak and his agent, the coach, and possibly the players as he tends to hang onto the puck to long at times. If that happens again.. They will then be trying to trade Yak at an even lower return that they can get now. I would like to be a fly on the wall about that possible situation. Risk Reward potential on this player..JMO.

  39. David says:

    Woodguy: Why?

    Where did I say that?

    Just because I think he’s probably as good as Coburn?

    I actually like a hockey team that has more than a few good players.

    I want to see Marincin-Petry as 2nd pair
    I want to see Ference-Jultz as third pair.

    A top pairing of Coburn-Stralman would be good to see.

    Marincin may be as good as Stralman right now, but 2nd pairing is much better than 1st for a young D like Marincin.

    Ideally the Oiler D is good enough that Marincin is 3rd pairing, but that won’t happen with Ference under contract.

    Does that mean Coburn should be a Third paring defenseman?

  40. gd says:

    Woodguy,

    WG,

    I always feel you have the best sense of what makes up an effective D. I sense you feel the Oil should get a legit top 3 Dmanand then go for a value 5/6 to provide depth.

    I know Stralman is your #1 target and I sense you think Coburn is not good enough to give up much for. In your mind would any of Kulikov/Campbell/Big Buff/Markov/Oduya/Wisniewski/Tyutin/Fayne/Martin be adequate as the best D acquisition for this offseason?

  41. David says:

    Woodguy,

    I’m not trying to be a jerk I’m just trying to understand your opinion.

  42. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    Trading Yak for Ritchie would be the nadir.

    Worse than the Khabby contract and OTC in charge.

    I think I know why you put stuff like this out there.

    So when it doesn’t happen you can feel relief because relief is a good feeling and the Oilers have provided very little good feelings in 8 years.

    Seriously though, I could see why they’d do Yak for 1st overall (wouldn’t agree with it, but I would understand it)

    Yak for Ritchie is Atlanta Thrashers bad.

    I’m honestly not convinced that the entire Oilers organization is onside with Yakupov as being part of the future. Suspect that won’t be an issue a year from now, but there’s a wobbly bit here where the team is casting about looking for big improvement.

    As for Ritchie, he’s rated by McKenzie in the top 10 (6)
    http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=117185

    and is also in Red Line’s top 10.

    Based on the Oilers love of size and search for it on skill lines, I don’t believe it’s a stretch to think they rate him highly.

  43. B S says:

    David: My bet is Nurse is the superior player.

    So you would run Marincin first paring next year no worries?

    So you would run Coburn 1st pairing next year no worries? I think you’re far overestimating what is a quality 2nd pairing D-man.

  44. Woodguy says:

    David: What is your suggestion for moving heaven and earth if Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin, Yakupov are off the table? The 3rd overall?

    It really depends on what’s coming back.

    Given the quality of young D the Oilers have coming I prefer short term overpays in FA.

  45. Woodguy says:

    David:
    Woodguy,

    I’m not trying to be a jerk I’m just trying to understand your opinion.

    Understood.

    I’m trying to no be a dink, although I come across as one often.

  46. Woodguy says:

    gd:
    Woodguy,

    WG,

    I always feel you have the best sense of what makes up an effective D. I sense you feel the Oil should get a legit top 3 Dmanand then go for a value 5/6 to provide depth.

    I know Stralman is your #1 target and I sense you think Coburn is not good enough to give up much for. In your mind would any of Kulikov/Campbell/Big Buff/Markov/Oduya/Wisniewski/Tyutin/Fayne/Martinbe adequate as the best D acquisition for this offseason?

    Campbell and Buff would be very good. They cost assets.

    Markov would be good short term FA.

    I like Fayne too.

  47. Woodguy says:

    Ramsay coached Buff in ATL.

    Wonder if he puts a bug in MacT’s ear?

  48. Woodguy says:

    David,

    Does that mean Coburn should be a Third paring defenseman?

    You said that in response to a comment that had this line in it:

    A top pairing of Coburn-Stralman would be good to see.

  49. theres oil in virginia says:

    I think MacT addressed the Yakupov situation in April:
    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2014/04/lottery-4.html/comment-page-1#comment-311080

    I don’t see much reason to fret about it. I don’t think they’re ready to cut bait.

  50. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: I’m honestly not convinced that the entire Oilers organization is onside with Yakupov as being part of the future. Suspect that won’t be an issue a year from now, but there’s a wobbly bit here where the team is casting about looking for big improvement.

    As for Ritchie, he’s rated by McKenzie in the top 10 (6)
    http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=117185

    and is also in Red Line’s top 10.

    Based on the Oilers love of size and search for it on skill lines, I don’t believe it’s a stretch to think they rate him highly.

    I’m not sold on players who score more goals than assists in junior.

    Not sure they turn out.

    I have no doubt that they Oilers would rate Ritchie highly.

    Their never ending search for Lucic will be never ending.

    I have no doubt that he’s high on Bob’s list, NHL GM’s love size.

    Did you know that 70% of the players drafted are 6’1″ and bigger while 50% of NHL players are 6’1″ and bigger?

    They quest for size leaves no stone un-turned.

    Ritchie being top 10 in a weak-ish draft where there is a “top 5″ is ok for him. He might end up as a NHLer.

    Yak is Yak.

    1st overall with a bullet in his draft.

    Broke Stamkos’ rookie goal scoring record in the OHL.

    Scored at over 2pts/gm until his injury in his draft year.

    Shot the lights out his rookie year and a shitty sophomore year.

    For the Oilers to trade that for Ritchie would be the nadir.

  51. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: I’m not sold on players who score more goals than assists in junior.

    Not sure they turn out.

    I have no doubt that they Oilers would rate Ritchie highly.

    Their never ending search for Lucic will be never ending.

    I have no doubt that he’s high on Bob’s list, NHL GM’s love size.

    Did you know that 70% of the players drafted are 6’1″ and bigger while 50% of NHL players are 6’1″ and bigger?

    They quest for size leaves no stone un-turned.

    Ritchie being top 10 in a weak-ish draft where there is a “top 5″ is ok for him.He might end up as a NHLer.

    Yak is Yak.

    1st overall with a bullet in his draft.

    Broke Stamkos’ rookie goal scoring record in the OHL.

    Scored at over 2pts/gm until his injury in his draft year.

    Shot the lights out his rookie year and a shitty sophomore year.

    For the Oilers to trade that for Ritchie would be the nadir.

    That’s not what I’m saying. You said you felt the reason I posted things like that was to feel better when they didn’t do it. My response to you gave the thinking behind it. I’m not arguing that it’s a good deal, never have. I’m in favor of keeping Yakupov.

    The reason for this post wasn’t to advance my views, but to discuss Edmonton’s current thinking. I believe there’s a window here where Yakupov as an Oiler is vulnerable.

  52. jake70 says:

    Can they trade Larionov and keep Yak?

  53. wheatnoil says:

    I’d be more inclined to trade Klefbom for the right price than Marincin. I suspect Klefbom may be more highly rated by many teams than Marincin (first round draft picks often are). Thus, Klefbom may be able to acquire more in a deal. Marincin has done well in a relatively small sample size (about half a season). The last time I remember an Oilers defenseman come up from the AHL and perform as well as Marincin in his first half season? That would be when Jeff Petry did it. I hope they keep Marincin and run him along with whatever D they can get back in a Klefbom trade.

    If you get a deal that centers around Klefbom and gets you a legitimate top 4 NHL defenseman, then you’re just one UFA defenseman away from a real top 6 NHL defense, with Ference and Schultz filling out the roster. Woodguy keeps bringing up Stralman and I’d love that choice. Gilbert or Hainsey would be fine too.

    Then you have Nurse, Simpson, and Gernat waiting in the wings and you hope one of them develops enough to make it to the show in the next couple years.

  54. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide: I believe there’s a window here where Yakupov as an Oiler is vulnerable.

    I think the window for that is at the end of this season. What if he doesn’t progress? I’m sure if a good deal comes along, then they’ll make it, but I don’t think a good deal is there, given Yak’s past season.

  55. Lowetide says:

    theres oil in virginia: I think the window for that is at the end of this season.What if he doesn’t progress?I’m sure if a good deal comes along, then they’ll make it, but I don’t think a good deal is there, given Yak’s past season.

    I think Yakupov’s value is obvious to Eakins and MacTavish, but the pressure to turn north right now has to be immense. If they just hold hold off another year, I believe he’ll find the way. Hopefully other teams lowball the offers and Yakupov remains an Oiler.

  56. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: That’s not what I’m saying. You said you felt the reason I posted things like that was to feel better when they didn’t do it. My response to you gave the thinking behind it. I’m not arguing that it’s a good deal, never have. I’m in favor of keeping Yakupov.

    The reason for this post wasn’t to advance my views, but to discuss Edmonton’s current thinking. I believe there’s a window here where Yakupov as an Oiler is vulnerable.

    Ahh, I get it now.

    If they actually feel that way on Kingsway then that’s too bad.

    TOIV’s link to some MacT quotes makes me feel a little better.

  57. k-dawg says:

    What about trying to get Galchenyuk out of Montreal? We would get our much needed 2nd line center plus a young core player that has chemistry with Yak– they lit up junior with Sarnia.

    Would Perron + … be close? I’m sure Montreal would love Perron, and I’d hate see him traded but I’d hate to see Yak traded more. They need to get Yak a center.

  58. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: I think Yakupov’s value is obvious to Eakins and MacTavish, but the pressure to turn north right now has to be immense. If they just hold hold off another year, I believe he’ll find the way. Hopefully other teams lowball the offers and Yakupov remains an Oiler.

    I think at the very least you have to wait till he plays his 21yo season. Gabe’s research shows that generally 17yo scoring translates well into 21 yr old scoring. Now it is always dangerous to apply the general to the specific, and there’s a range there in Gabe’s numbers, but there’s enough evidence to justify waiting through this season. Especially since Yak’s numbers are so high at 17. Even if he’s at the very bottom end of the range, we’re still talking a 50-60 point player at 21yo.

    Unless you’re somehow getting as much value as that back in a trade today, it behooves Management to play this hand with some temporal fortitude.

  59. flyfish1168 says:

    JMHO. Keeping Yak and making him feel comfortable and being patient with him is probably the best way to handle him and all the other Russian draft picks. I believe part of drafting Yak2 and Slepy is to build a Russian culture around Yakupov. Remember if we can make the Russian contingency work it would be a bonus since they fall in the draft and are under value in any trades due to the threat of the KHL

  60. blainer says:

    I think the only way the oilers move Yak is if they get a good offer in return. That being a package of Gagner and Yak for Kulikov and their 1st ..something along the likes of that.. otherwise I think the fan base will explode…just don’t see them trading for much less than …I wouldn’t be surprised with LT’s idea of a trade with the islanders either though… If he is not traded by the draft I really think he stays.

  61. Lowetide says:

    Oilers update the 2013 draft. Nice things coming, I still wonder about Evan Campbell

    http://oilersnation.com/2014/6/15/oilers-give-assessments-on-2013-draft-haul

  62. hags9k says:

    Why would we give up a big, young, good D man like Marincin for a shorter term maybe upgrade like Coburn? Did I miss the part where we became cup contenders? And don’t even get me started on Yak.

    Marincin would have to be part of bringing back a proven 1A type C, but I suspect we are drafting that player at 3. This team needs time, not knee jerk trades to improve next year at the expense of the future. That being said, we need to pray for Taylor Hall to have more patience than all of us.

    Dangerous summer indeed.

  63. Lowetide says:

    Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie · 2m

    Lots of talk within NHL circles that COL has or will file “club-elected salary arbitration” on Ryan O’Reilly. If so, it will make waves.

    There’s our center right there, if they can get him

  64. blainer says:

    k-dawg:
    What about trying to get Galchenyuk out of Montreal?We would get our much needed 2nd line center plus a young core player that has chemistry with Yak– they lit up junior with Sarnia.

    Would Perron + … be close? I’m sure Montreal would love Perron, and I’d hate see him traded but I’d hate to see Yak traded more. They need to get Yak a center.

    Now that be a great fix for Yak…someone to get him the puck when he is in a good shooting position.. Not sure about Galchenyuk..someone a little more seasoned would be better.

  65. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie·2m

    Lots of talk within NHL circles that COL has or will file “club-elected salary arbitration” on Ryan O’Reilly. If so, it will make waves.

    There’s our center right there, if they can get him

    What does he cost?

    Can you trade a player who’s club has filed for arb?

  66. spoiler says:

    I don’t think Philly would trade Coburn unless Petry was going the other way. He’s their top defenseman. Trading him would leave a massive hole on their roster. Maybe a 3 way would work. They’re more likely to deal from strength though… either Lacavalier or the Schenns.

  67. flyfish1168 says:

    Interesting article from Hockey News on Sophomore jinx. Preview 3 Oilers in there and Yak didn’t have the worst 2nd year jinx.

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/top-five-sophomore-slumps-of-2013-14/

  68. PunjabiOil says:

    Trading Yakupov for a Zach Kassian esque player would be a disastrous mistake, and signify a perpetual rebuild.

    There is no reason to trade Yakupov. Finally the Oilers have some depth on the RW, and the player has significant upside. Young players struggle – see Nugent-Hopkins 2nd season 40-4-20-24.

    What the Oilers need is more support for these young players. Veterans. Depth. Leadership.

  69. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: There’s our center right there, if they can get him

    He would be absolutely ideal. Other than maybe his salary situation. Or Stastny. But I’m guessing this tweet means the Avs are going to do their darnedest to sign them both.

  70. striatic says:

    Gordon probably doesn’t find sufficient value coming back but leaving him out of the “who do we trade?” conversation seems like an odd omission.

    He’s a bit like Perron. Only available for a couple more years in which this team will not be contending. High enough value to get a meaningful return other than picks.

    Perron is the better option to move – I think moving him to a team on the cusp in exchange for a higher end pending RFA would be a coup – but if another team is looking for a guy like Gordon, move him this year to maximize trade value and don’t wait until his UFA year to do it.

    Avoid another Hemsky situation. Keep building value instead of continually throwing it away.

  71. Woodguy says:

    spoiler:
    I don’t think Philly would trade Coburn unless Petry was going the other way.He’s their top defenseman. Trading him would leave a massive hole on their roster. Maybe a 3 way would work.They’re more likely to deal from strength though… either Lacavalier or the Schenns.

    I don’t think anyone will take Lacav at $4.5MM x 4 after his awful yeart and PHI already used 2 compliance buy outs.

    Man I love Snider.

  72. Jon K says:

    Lowetide,

    Would folks around here consider trading Yakupov for a re-signed O’Reilly at 5 x 6.5 million? ROR is the real deal and would instantly cure the team’s problems at centre.

    Despite the steep price, I’d strongly consider that swap.

  73. Woodguy says:

    spoiler:
    I don’t think Philly would trade Coburn unless Petry was going the other way.He’s their top defenseman. Trading him would leave a massive hole on their roster. Maybe a 3 way would work.They’re more likely to deal from strength though… either Lacavalier or the Schenns.

    PHI now have 6 Dmen under contract for $3.5MM +

    Timmonen shows up as $2MM, but he has bonuses.

    They need to replace an expensive Dman with a cheap one.

    Signing MacDonald at $5MM x 6 hooped them big time.

    What an awful signing.

  74. Woodguy says:

    Jon K:
    Lowetide,

    Would folks around here consider trading Yakupov for a re-signed O’Reilly at 5 x 6.5 million? ROR is the real deal and would instantly cure the team’s problems at centre.

    Despite the steep price, I’d strongly consider that swap.

    That would be value for value.

    I’d do it and I love Yak.

  75. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: I don’t think anyone will take Lacav at $4.5MM x 4 after his awful yeart and PHI already used 2 compliance buy outs.
    Man I love Snider.

    I know. That’s why I’m hoping for a Schenn to shake free, lol. I couldn’t believe that signing. Don’t know what Homer or Snider were thinking.

    And with Kesler and Spezza and possibly both Richardses available this summer, Hex is even more hooped on Lacavalier. They can regular buyout but that’s gonna be bloody expensive too.

  76. Lowetide says:

    Jon K:
    Lowetide,

    Would folks around here consider trading Yakupov for a re-signed O’Reilly at 5 x 6.5 million? ROR is the real deal and would instantly cure the team’s problems at centre.

    Despite the steep price, I’d strongly consider that swap.

    I would do that deal, yes. I love Yakupov but that deal, plus a legit defenseman and a UFA replacement for Yakupov is just about perfect.

  77. Mr DeBakey says:

    Woodguy: I want to see Marincin-Petry as 2nd pair
    I want to see Ference-Jultz as third pair.

    A top pairing of Coburn-Stralman would be good to see.

    Only problem with that is that Coburn-Stralman have been playing the 1st Division
    and you’re hoping they’ll succeed as a pair in the Premier League.

  78. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: PHI now have 6 Dmen under contract for $3.5MM +
    Timmonen shows up as $2MM, but he has bonuses.
    They need to replace an expensive Dman with a cheap one.
    Signing MacDonald at $5MM x 6 hooped them big time.
    What an awful signing

    I think they were confident at the time that they could dump Luke’s contract on us, if the rumours were true. Brayden’s too of course. They can push some of Timmo’s bonuses to next year, if he hits them. Maybe they also thought/think Lecav was/is tradeable to a team like Nashville…

  79. spoiler says:

    Jon K: Would folks around here consider trading Yakupov for a re-signed O’Reilly at 5 x 6.5 million? ROR is the real deal and would instantly cure the team’s problems at centre.
    Despite the steep price, I’d strongly consider that swap

    I too would do that deal. Yak probably has a higher top end, but ROR is a better fit.

  80. WeirsBeard says:

    Woodguy:
    Everything the Oilers need is available in FA and they have pile of dough to spend.

    Shipping out any of:

    Hall
    RNH
    Yak
    Eberle
    Perron
    Petry
    Jultz
    Marincin
    Klef

    …..is not required unless its for a home run (ie. Couturier or similar coming back)

    Get Good Players and for the love of everything that is right in the world Keep Good Players.

    Bang on. They need to add to the supporting cast, and those players are available as UFAs. Trading should be limited to acquiring an impact D (not a Petry level defender) or the mythical big C. I don’t understand the frantic need of the fan base to flip guys. Add pieces, and see what having 18 guys that can play can do before making bigger shifts.

    There is always a team that paints itself into a corner every summer. The Oil are positioned to take advantage, be it Philly, Colorado with this arbitration thing, etc.

  81. WeirsBeard says:

    Lowetide:
    Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie·2m

    Lots of talk within NHL circles that COL has or will file “club-elected salary arbitration” on Ryan O’Reilly. If so, it will make waves.

    There’s our center right there, if they can get him

    This sort of club elected arbitration is somewhat rare correct? I don’t even recall when this has last occurred. Seems like a recipe for hurt feelings.

  82. Lowetide says:

    WeirsBeard: This sort of club elected arbitration is somewhat rare correct? I don’t even recall when this has last occurred. Seems like a recipe for hurt feelings.

    so rare McKenzie is suggesting it’s going to be a very big can of worms opening.

  83. Gerta Rauss says:

    WeirsBeard: This sort of club elected arbitration is somewhat rare correct? I don’t even recall when this has last occurred. Seems like a recipe for hurt feelings.

    The only thing I can think of is that it allows COL to manage the term on the next contract. Club elected arb means the player can select the term…it’ll either be a 1 year or a 2 year deal.

    How that helps COL is still a mystery though…you would think that COL either wants him with their org, or they don’t. And if they don’t, trade him.

    Odd

  84. Andy P says:

    WeirsBeard: I don’t understand the frantic need of the fan base to flip guys.

    This ^ all day.

  85. delooper says:

    Gaaaaaaaaaaa, this thread has all the joy of a slaughterhouse. You’re killing me. You need more pictures of pretty women. Way way more. Pretty sunsets, sunrises. Smiling hockey players. Maybe a video of the Oilers management talking about not trading away any of the rebuild pieces.

  86. G Money says:

    Woodguy: Everything the Oilers need is available in FA and they have pile of dough to spend.

    Exactly right.

    Before MacT considers trading assets – and the Oilers have no areas of surplus as far as NHL-level players go – he needs to get everything he can in the FA market.

    One player for each of the 2-3-4 lines and two for the D e.g. Stastny, Winnik, Setoguchi, Niskanen, Fayne can all be had if Gagner goes for picks and prospects.

    Not to say it’s likely that the Oilers get all those players. Or even any of them.

    But the first thing to try is to use cash to fill gaps with real players before trading away useful players.

    Or even players of questionable recent value but of 40-goal-scorer potential.

  87. Andy P says:

    G Money,

    I’m thinking that Yak and Gags are the product of poor coaching. Good coaching will teach both the basic elements of two way play, and perhaps unlock their offensive skills, to the point where they are too valuable to trade, or in Yak’s case, want to stay in Edmonton.

    But if Yak already wants out and Gags is just not the size we need, then consider that as more collateral damage of the Tambo/Bucky tenure.

  88. G Money says:

    Andy P,

    Personally, I expect a big bounceback year from RNH and Yak anyway (a reflection of coaching consistency and talent).

    But I think there is certainly a very distinct possibility that an upgrade in coaching (which Ramsay represents) may also markedly increase the value of e.g. Gagner.

    I remain keenly interested to see who will take the place of Smith (who I believe his track record clearly indicates that he should be moved out of any coaching role of any kind).

    Who knows … with good coaching, we may even go back to where we were a couple of years ago, and start talking about Gagner as an excellent 2C rather than an a bundle of defensive shortcomings with no other redeeming qualities at all.

  89. justDOit says:

    delooper:
    Gaaaaaaaaaaa, this thread has all the joy of a slaughterhouse.You’re killing me. You need more pictures of pretty women. Way way more. Pretty sunsets, sunrises. Smiling hockey players. Maybe a video of the Oilers management talking about not trading away any of the rebuild pieces.

    Hope this helps smooth things over.

  90. Jasmine says:

    Why do you hate Perron so much that you want to run him out of town. Perron is exactly the player the Oilers need. Why do Oilers fans want to run Perron out of town? Another question is why do Oilers fans always want to run players out of town. That’s the main reason players won’t sign in Edmonton and why Edmonton is on the list of teams not be traded to as they know Oilers fans have a reputation of running players out of town.

  91. Lowetide says:

    Jasmine:
    Why do you hate Perron so much that you want to run him out of town. Perron is exactly the player the Oilers need. Why do Oilers fans want to run Perron out of town? Another question is why do Oilers fans always want to run players out of town. That’s the main reasonplayers won’t sign in Edmonton and why Edmonton is on the list of teams not be traded to as they know Oilers fans have a reputation of running players out of town.

    I’ve never like him. Ever. His father was a muddah, his Muddah was a muddah.

  92. justDOit says:

    Lowetide: I’ve never liked him. Ever. His father was a muddah, his Muddah was a muddah.

    His Muddah was a muddah?

  93. Lowetide says:

    justDOit: His Muddah was a muddah?

    Yes! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L3KU5eiEBo

  94. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: Wood

    Granted, but they have more NHL-ready forwards than D. Yakupov is no more replicated in the lineup than Perron in terms of specific strengths and weaknesses. But if they deal Petry, there is virtually nobody to take his place. I say virtually because there is the chance that Marincin proves capable.

  95. Henry says:

    “As I mentioned in last night’s post, this is an extremely dangerous summer for Craig MacTavish.”

    So true, so true. You have a ton of talent MacT, don’t blow it. No pressure though.

  96. Woodguy says:

    Mr DeBakey: Only problem with that is that Coburn-Stralman have been playing the 1st Division
    and you’re hoping they’ll succeed as a pair in the Premier League.

    That is true.

    Stralman had great numbers vs the Kings.

    He’s the real deal.

  97. bigbadbruin24 says:

    So when can the Oil sign Papernik?

    I’d like to see the Oil make a trade to obtain the top pairing D-man they need…not Dion…before the draft. Hopefully it would set off the dominoes to some of the UFA’s to see they are serious about getting better sooner rather than later. Sign one big UFA early on free agent day and hope other UFA’s take notice and want to sign on to be part of the ride in E-Town.

    Easier said then done but certainly doable.

  98. G Money says:

    Jasmine: Another question is why do Oilers fans always want to run players out of town.

    Because the players are bad! BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD!

    They stink! Like dead fish! Every last one of ‘em!

    Now GET OUTTA MY TOWN bad stinky Oiler players! OUT!

  99. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: That is true.

    Stralman had great numbers vs the Kings.

    He’s the real deal.

    True, but small sample size alert and he doesn’t play 25 minutes a night chorus.

  100. Henry says:

    Andy P:
    G Money,

    I’m thinking that Yak and Gags are the product of poor coaching. Good coaching will teach both the basic elements of two way play, and perhaps unlock their offensive skills, to the point where they are too valuable to trade, or in Yak’s case, want to stay in Edmonton.

    But if Yak already wants out and Gags is just not the size we need, then consider that as more collateral damage of the Tambo/Bucky tenure.

    Yak may score 400 goals or he may flame out. I don’t know and I don’t think the rest of us or even Darren Dreger or Glenn Healy knows. We just have to be patient for at least one more season. Guy Lafleur only scored 56 points in his third year and Pollock didn’t trade him.

  101. Woodguy says:

    spoiler: I think they were confident at the time that they could dump Luke’s contract on us, if the rumours were true. Brayden’s too of course.They can push some of Timmo’s bonuses to next year, if he hits them.Maybe they also thought/think Lecav was/is tradeable to a team like Nashville…

    I don’t think that Brayden Schenn is much of an upgrade on Goneyay.

    In fact, even with last year, I still rate Goneyay higher.

    Gets some of the softest ice time possible on PHI and still has meh to poor WOWY.

    Only 22 and could get better, but hasn’t done anything of note yet and I wouldn’t bank on him being more than an adequate 2C, but he has a ways to go to even get there.

    Couturier plays the toughs and gets the shitty zone starts.

    Giroux plays PvP or gets chased by the checking line.

    Schenn is left with some pretty soft comp, has had good line mates and done not much with it.

    He’s only 22, but hasn’t done anything that would make me want to trade for him.

  102. Woodguy says:

    WeirsBeard: This sort of club elected arbitration is somewhat rare correct? I don’t even recall when this has last occurred. Seems like a recipe for hurt feelings.

    WIN did it today too with Frolik.

    I don’t really see the upside for the club to do this unless the agent is in a different zip code from what you are offering.

    I can see that with ROR. Arb will probably lower his salary.

    You can still offer sheet a player under club selected arb from July 1- July 5, and you’ve handed the player the ability to choose between 1-2 years on the settlement.

  103. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: True, but small sample size alert and he doesn’t play 25 minutes a night chorus.

    His last two years show that he’s the real deal.

    This year Vig played him against the same comp as McDonough.

    Someone went through and listed McD and Stral’s TOI against the best in the NHL (including the Premier League) and they came out basically even.

    Except Stralman did better.

    True that he didn’t play 25min a night, but I’m suggesting paying him $4.5MM x 5, not $6M+ which is what I’d expect an actual 25 min/night to get.

  104. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: His last two years show that he’s the real deal.

    This year Vig played him against the same comp as McDonough.

    Someone went through and listed McD and Stral’s TOI against the best in the NHL (including the Premier League) and they came out basically even.

    Except Stralman did better.

    True that he didn’t play 25min a night, but I’m suggesting paying him $4.5MM x 5, not $6M+ which is what I’d expect an actual 25 min/night to get.

    Absolutely. I’m completely on board. I just want to make sure that when we’re looking back in December that people can’t claim we were acquiring Drew Doughty.

  105. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Absolutely. I’m completely on board. I just want to make sure that when we’re looking back in December that people can’t claim we were acquiring Drew Doughty.

    You’re not even getting Timmonen.

    Stralman doesn’t have much offence.

    He makes the puck go the right way against the best and that’s rare.

    He’s quick and can pass, and gets involved physically in that he uses his body to disrupt the opposition.

    He’s not BONAFIDE! 1RD in the sense that he plays 3 disciplines and 25 min a night, but those guys are so rare you can’t call the 1D, but 1+ as there are not 60 in the league who can do it.

    There are by definition 60 1st pairing Dmen (including Petry and Marincin from last year), and I bet Stralman is among them next year and he’ll play it with aplomb and help drive positive results.

  106. gd says:

    I’m completely sold on Stralman being the best fit for what the team needs and he would be worth going with a $500K a year overpayment. He’s young enough to still be around for Hall/RNH prime, he’s had enough playoff success that he shouldn’t be desperate to only play on a contender, he hasn’t been paid yet so money may be the most important factor in his decision and he seems to want to have some long term stability for the first time in his career. He has played for Eakins/Acton/Howsom in the past. He should be a great mentor for Klefbom (who I think Staal might be a perfect comparable) The other teams I could see going hard for him would be Detroit and the Islanders (plus Dallas) so maybe Slats will trade his rights just to get him away from Conference rivals.

    I think getting him lets them get their Greene like face-puncher for no more than a #6 D money, as oppose to an Orpik.

  107. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: Couturier plays the toughs and gets the shitty zone starts.
    Giroux plays PvP or gets chased by the checking line.
    Schenn is left with some pretty soft comp, has had good line mates and done not much with it.
    He’s only 22, but hasn’t done anything that would make me want to trade for him.

    Without a doubt. Coots is a gem, but that’s also why no one is getting him. And it’s why Schenn is the available C (well if we’re not counting Lecav). I’d bet money the Oilers have seriously looked at this move.

  108. Woodguy says:

    spoiler: Without a doubt. Coots is a gem, but that’s also why no one is getting him.And it’s why Schenn is the available C (well if we’re not counting Lecav). I’d bet money the Oilers have seriously looked at this move.

    Oilers liked Luke too once upon a time.

    I fear the Schenn brothers.

    More hat than cattle.

  109. Younger Oil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    http://www.capgeek.com/player/3451

    Seems like a very good signing, the more Finns the better! I find it surprising capgeek and eliteprospects “reported” this before the Oilers officially announced it.

    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=30857

  110. SaskFan says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    http://www.capgeek.com/player/3451

    Official? Found a scouting report “Pakarinen plays like a demon in tight spots, and his stick handling ability and skating agility compares favorably to any of the top young players in Finland. Rather than focus on artistic playmaking, however, Pakarinen prefers the physical elements of the game. Offensively, he does have a hard, accurate shot which suggests he could be a dangerous sniper. While his physical style explains his pedestrian offensive numbers, that abrasiveness has gained him both attention and notoriety from scouts. As coaches and scouts will tell you, it’s easier to tone down a player who is too aggressive than it is to try and instill competitiveness.”

    Decent size at 6’1 198. Seems like a good signing.

  111. Younger Oil says:

    SaskFan: Official? Found a scouting report “Pakarinen plays like a demon in tight spots, and his stick handling ability and skating agility compares favorably to any of the top young players in Finland. Rather than focus on artistic playmaking, however, Pakarinen prefers the physical elements of the game. Offensively, he does have a hard, accurate shot which suggests he could be a dangerous sniper. While his physical style explains his pedestrian offensive numbers, that abrasiveness has gained him both attention and notoriety from scouts. As coaches and scouts will tell you, it’s easier to tone down a player who is too aggressive than it is to try and instill competitiveness.”

    Decent size at 6’1 198. Seems like a good signing.

    That scouting report, as well as his size, makes him seem like a Finnish Pitlick!

  112. spoiler says:

    Younger Oil: That scouting report, as well as his size, makes him seem like a Finnish Pitlick!

    Sounds like a Finnish Hartikainen with a little better wheels.

    Edit: actually not so much according to Luedeke.

  113. Hammers says:

    Busy all day with FD but thanks LT as I respect your opinion . The only question I have is Curtis Hamilton as I thought they would just give him a pass and no mention on Pitlick who I find intriguing in a way . If they trade Marincin they must keep Gernat .in my opinion . I still expect a 2 or 3 for 1 . Haven’t read any comments yet .

  114. Hammers says:

    David: Are either of them as good as Coburn yet? Are they guaranteed to? I agree this trade in itself would probably be a loss after ten years but it would greatly improve the Oilers now and it wouldn’t actually harm them in the future because of other fantastic prospects that could well be even better than Marincin and Klefbom. There is no downside.

    Important thing is they both won’t go .

  115. Hammers says:

    blainer: It seems that we have a few people and maybe oiler management that would be ok with moving Yak. I get the fan base wants to keep him.. it IS too early to give up on him…but .. I think the oilers coach and MacT are worried about a repeat of last years issues between Yak and his agent, the coach, and possibly the players as he tends to hang onto the puck to long at times. If that happens again.. They will then be trying to trade Yak at an even lower return that they can get now. I would like to be a fly on the wall about that possible situation. Risk Reward potential on this player..JMO.

    More concerned with how Eakins & Yak interact the rest is BS .

  116. Hammers says:

    Woodguy: I don’t think that Brayden Schenn is much of an upgrade on Goneyay.In fact, even with last year, I still rate Goneyay higher.Gets some of the softest ice time possible on PHI and still has meh to poor WOWY.Only 22 and could get better, but hasn’t done anything of note yet and I wouldn’t bank on him being more than an adequate 2C, but he has a ways to go to even get there.Couturier plays the toughs and gets the shitty zone starts.Giroux plays PvP or gets chased by the checking line.Schenn is left with some pretty soft comp, has had good line mates and done not much with it.He’s only 22, but hasn’t done anything that would make me want to trade for him.

    The question is does he have upside and it seems to me Philly likes the kid .. time always tells . To early .

  117. Hammers says:

    Woodguy: You’re not even getting Timmonen.Stralman doesn’t have much offence.He makes the puck go the right way against the best and that’s rare.He’s quick and can pass, and gets involved physically in that he uses his body to disrupt the opposition.He’s not BONAFIDE! 1RD in the sense that he plays 3 disciplines and 25 min a night, but those guys are so rare you can’t call the 1D, but 1+ as there are not 60 in the league who can do it.There are by definition 60 1st pairing Dmen (including Petry and Marincin from last year), and I bet Stralman is among them next year and he’ll play it with aplomb and help drive positive results.

    Yea but not with the Oilers .

  118. Hammers says:

    Woodguy: Oilers liked Luke too once upon a time.I fear the Schenn brothers.More hat than cattle.

    Probably have but guess what they are both proven NHL players , something we have been short of the last few years .

  119. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide: I think Yakupov’s value is obvious to Eakins and MacTavish, but the pressure to turn north right now has to be immense. If they just hold hold off another year, I believe he’ll find the way.Hopefully other teams lowball the offers and Yakupov remains an Oiler.

    I think the pressure to fire Eakins has been immense too, and MacT seems to be pretty resolute. Also, it appears that the other GM’s tried to send him to rookie camp, and he passed that test too. MacT may fail, but I don’t think he’ll succumb to outside pressures.

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