OILERS AT 183: KEVEN BOUCHARD

 

  • Stu MacGregor: “It’s always difficult with goaltenders when they don’t play a lot but we had an eye on him from the previous year and I happened to be at a game this season where he did play and had a period at the Memorial Cup. He’s a guy with potential. He’s very fit and strong and he’s willing to put in the work. Freddie Chabot and Sylvain Rodrique (goalie coaches) know him really well and have worked with him.”

I listed him in our pre-draft look at the QMJHL here.

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  1. LMHF#1 says:

    Hooray for goalies with sub .900 save percentages…

    Seriously, what the hell?!?

    They let some 6 year old with crayons handle the picking today?

  2. Younger Oil says:

    I don’t mind the Oilers restocking the goalie cupboards. Still a little skeptical on the 5th and 6th round picks, but I am more than willing to wait 5 years to see how things turn out.

    However, if any of the players a lot of the fans have been calling for (Irving, Kulda, Kraskovski, and Watson to name a few) turn out better than Vesel and Coughlin after 5 years, I think fans have every right to be mad.

    But we have to wait 5 years.

  3. LMHF#1 says:

    Younger Oil:
    I don’t mind the Oilers restocking the goalie cupboards. Still a little skeptical on the 5th and 6th round picks, but I am more than willing to wait 5 years to see how things turn out.

    However, if any of the players a lot of the fans have been calling for (Irving, Kulda, Kraskovski, and Watson to name a few) turn out better than Vesel and Coughlin after 5 years, I think fans have every right to be mad.

    But we have to wait 5 years.

    So take a goalie with a decent save percentage.

  4. PaperDesigner says:

    You know, if they had picked actual NHL prospects with earlier picks, and hadn’t grabbed a goalie, I might understand this. But they had a much, MUCCH better prospect from earlier in the day and then promptly passed on a kid that had some actual NHL upside that was still hanging around in the seventh round.

    Fire. Every. Single. Scout.

  5. PaperDesigner says:

    Younger Oil:
    I don’t mind the Oilers restocking the goalie cupboards. Still a little skeptical on the 5th and 6th round picks, but I am more than willing to wait 5 years to see how things turn out.

    However, if any of the players a lot of the fans have been calling for (Irving, Kulda, Kraskovski, and Watson to name a few) turn out better than Vesel and Coughlin after 5 years, I think fans have every right to be mad.

    But we have to wait 5 years.

    I’m content to be mad now. They made poor bets. Even if one or two miraculously turns out, that doesn’t change the fact that the underlying thinking is flawed.

  6. cabbiesmacker says:

    LMHF#1:

    Seriously, what the hell?!?

    They let some 6 year old with crayons handle the picking today?

    Katz doofus looking kid getting involved maybe.

    Seriously…how embarassing is that? Guy’ll be 50 stylin the same Harpo Marx do and dragging his fat ass up to the podium in an Oiler’s jersey I bet. Or he’ll be the Senior director of Hockey Ops cuz he’s hell at NHL 2014.

    Leave the kid at home to drive his Bugatti electric kiddy car around the driveway next year k Bono?

  7. raventalon40 says:

    http://s24.postimg.org/yw7bm9n39/asdf.jpg

    What happened to the New Jersey black hole?

  8. skidplate says:

    Arizona got Kulda

  9. Bag of Pucks says:

    Shite Coyotes got Kulda and Mayo. Me likey the Maloney.

  10. Marc says:

    Reposted from the other thread:

    This seems a lot like the 2012 draft – pretty weak with not a lot of depth.

    The Oilers switched to over agers and players who were playing in US college (and so who don’t need to be signed in 2 years).

    Are there any examples of these so-called ‘value’ CHL players that the Oilers passed on in 2012 that have turned out to be better than the players they picked?

  11. skidplate says:

    Mayo and Kulda. Must have seen them plenty with Hank Sammy on the team.

  12. VanOil says:

    LT you are slacking with your posting today. Sure you are providing content for your own site at a rate that hints at performance enhancing drugs but what about; OilerNation, Bleacher Report, PuckRant and everywhere else you Moonlight. Sure you are on the radio today too but Almeida can cover for a few minutes.

    Kidding aside, your out put today is amazing. Thank you.

  13. RexLibris says:

    skidplate:
    Mayo and Kulda. Must have seen them plenty with Hank Sammy on the team.

    Don’t forget the Rieder/Kessy trade.

  14. Bag of Pucks says:

    Censorship 101

    Don’t use words like panzer, Luger, blitzkrieg or Wehrmacht in casual conversations. Random Germans may take offence.

    But feel free to slag Katz’ kid with impunity.

    Humans are funny.

  15. fifthcartel says:

    Really wanted Husso when they could have picked him.

  16. thejonrmcleod says:

    Oilers’ All-2014-Draft Team: F Draisaitl, F Perron, F Vesel, D Nikitin, D Lagesson, G Scrivens.

  17. gcw_rocks says:

    The oilers went compete walk about today. Anyone having a Lowe Prendergast MacT flashback?
    After Leon, I would bet they went zero for the rest of the draft.

  18. OilClog says:

    What is the point of this pick? Could they not just ordered a shooter dummy from Canadian tire and call it a day.

    Very concerning

  19. Bag of Pucks says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    Oilers’ All-2014-Draft Team:F Draisaitl, F Perron, F Vesel, D Nikitin, D Lagesson, G Scrivens.

    Nice. Puts the day in the proper perspective.

    The Oil added 4 legitimate NHLers with these picks and that number could climb as high as 6 with a lil luck. And it was done in a year where the draft class is considered somewhat weak.

    Solid work MacT

  20. VanOil says:

    gcw_rocks:
    The oilers went compete walk about today. Anyone having a Lowe Prendergast MacT flashback?
    After Leon, I would bet they went zero for the rest of the draft.

    Blame Parkatti! and hold ROM personally responsible for every rookie mistake Draisaitl makes.

  21. stevezie says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Yes they are, but as someone who enjoys bad taste, it’s not censorship for other people to say they find your jokes in bad taste.

  22. skidplate says:

    And LA gets Watson with the 2nd last pick. Very good gamble and value pick.

  23. Younger Oil says:

    Lombardi shows why LA is the best team in the league. Jesus, Watson and Middleton might end up being the best F and D picked after the third round.

  24. skidplate says:

    Younger Oil,

    Yes the draft guru had Middleton at 58. Yowza

  25. Bag of Pucks says:

    stevezie:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Yes they are, but as someone who enjoys bad taste, it’s not censorship for other people to say they find your jokes in bad taste.

    Fair point but there is a correlation btw the two. Countries that censor freedom of speech and repress human rights don’t have Louis CKs and George Carlins, or more trenchantly, they have them albeit in prisons or with bullets in their heads. Censorship is often rationalized or justified under the umbrella of ‘poor taste’ behaviour that is increasing even in our so called freedom of speech society under the aegis of ‘political correctness’

  26. Kris11 says:

    I don’t get the venom at the Oilers drafting overall here.

    1. Lagesson and Nagelvoort (great names, btw) were picks well within the range of what the scouts thought best. I like both selections, even if there may have been something that was better.

    2. The later picks were reach off the board picks, but often are for all clubs in the later rounds. Here, you are relying on your scouts to pick up something that the scouting services missed, i.e. a guy has been hurt by an injury that has now recovered, a guy has great size and has just now learned how to use it, a guy had a late growth spurt, a guy didn’t get deserved TOI and had an unlucky SH%, etc., etc. So you will see a lot of picks that look crazy compared to the list established by the scouting services. That is how it will go.

    3. The guys left on the board when the later reach picks were pretty blah prospects, all in all. This wasn’t a draft where deep into rounds 3 and 4 you had a lot of blue-ish chips.

    4. No random tough guys were picked. Yaaayy!

    5. There is a difference going off the board with a pick below, say, 115, and a pick afterwards. The aoilers followed that rule. That is all you can ask, really.

  27. Lois Lowe says:

    Marc,

    I had a quick look at the 2012 draft list and nothing jumps out at me, but we can excoriate the Oilers for taking a sub .900 goaltending prospect over a flyer on Greg Chase 2.0 can’t we?

    McCarron, Laleggia, and Gustaffson haven’t really demonstrated that the overager strategy was worthwhile.

  28. kooler says:

    The make a wish foundation also grants wishes for big kids.

  29. VanOil says:

    Continuing on from my tasting notes post http://lowetide.ca/blog/2014/06/2014-draft-day-two-hurry-up-and-wait.html/comment-page-1#comment-322577

    Kölsch is not only the beer of Colonge but a a by word for the gruff off colour jokes and language used in Colonge beer halls by both waiters and staff. Blue collar town humor is universal.

    I would posit a big tough hockey playing kid from Colonge may be able to suffer the slings and arrows of the off colour, ill informed humor of Edmonton Oilers fans.

  30. russ99 says:

    I like our picks, and I also am glad we didn’t reach on Oil Kings.

    We should be pleased our scouts are doing their jobs, not swayed by someone higher in the org.

    The only gripe is that we didn’t pick another skilled forward early on, but that surely was due to dealing our early round picks.

    And of course, Gagner. No clue if there’s something else that can be done before Tuesday, today was likely the day we were gonna move him.

  31. thejonrmcleod says:

    Stu says he had to fight with MacT to draft the goalies.

  32. G Money says:

    Bag of Pucks: Censorship is often rationalized or justified under the umbrella of ‘poor taste’ behaviour that is increasing even in our so called freedom of speech society under the aegis of ‘political correctness’

    Why is it that when someone says something stupid and offensive and gets called on it, the first place they go whining to is ‘freedom of speech’ and ‘censorship’? (For those employing these tactics, feel free to look around at the bigots and homophobes with whom you share company)

    “Freedom of speech” means there isn’t an agent of the state waiting to arrest you for saying something offensive.

    “Censorship” means there isn’t an agent of the state vetting what you say and only passing what they deem acceptable on for publication.

    Neither of those terms even remotely apply.

    In this case, the original topic is the application of quasi-Nazi terminology in trying to find a nickname for a player of German descent.

    It is stupid, offensive, and in incredibly poor taste.

    You *will* get called out for being stupid, offensive, and having incredibly poor taste.

    *That* is freedom of speech.

  33. russ99 says:

    This Chile – Brazil game is insane.

    Would really be a shame if they go to penalties.

  34. stevezie says:

    G Money,
    Bag of Pucks,

    I think G is on the Money. Saying that people complaining about what you say is the first step towards censorship is like saying that people praising what you say is the first step towards fanaticism. Maybe that’s technically true, but it’s practically meaningless. As G pointed out, complaining about other people’s speech is also free speech.

    If you want to make daring comments and jokes you’ve got to accept that not everyone is going to like them. If everyone did, then it wouldn’t be daring. Also, sometimes you detractors are right.

  35. stevezie says:

    stevezie,

    For the record, I’ve made some jokes about Draisitl’s new nickname that have involved quasi-nazi terminology, so I don’t want to seem holier-than-though, but don’t walk down that road if you’re not ready to have people point out how stupid, offensive, and in incredibly poor taste you are.

  36. Marc says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Marc,

    I had a quick look at the 2012 draft list and nothing jumps out at me, but we can excoriate the Oilers for taking a sub .900 goaltending prospect over a flyer on Greg Chase 2.0 can’t we?

    McCarron, Laleggia, and Gustaffson haven’t really demonstrated that the overager strategy was worthwhile.

    The last pick to me seems to be the only indefensible one. He’s a low SV% guy and they’ll have to make a decision on him in two years.

    McCarron I think vindicates the overager strategy to some extent. LT had him as the 16th best prospect this winter and said:

    “This is a late round pick, a long shot (6th round, 153rd overall in 2012) and history tells us the odds of McCarron playing 200 games in the NHL aren’t great. However, McCarron has taken advantage of an opportunity and that NHLE combined with his size and the scouting report push him ahead of the rest in this part of the cluster. Considering his age, resume, performance and position he’s not that far from an NHL look-see with the Oilers.”

    And the best thing is that they still don’t have to make a decision on him till next year. Any of the low percentage CHL players that they could have picked instead would have had to have received a pro contract or a farewell card this summer.

  37. G Money says:

    stevezie: but don’t walk down that road if you’re not ready to have people point out how stupid, offensive, and in incredibly poor taste you are.

    No kidding, I was pretty damn offended by what I said too!

  38. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Fair point but there is a correlation btw the two. Countries that censor freedom of speech and repress human rights don’t have Louis CKs and George Carlins, or more trenchantly, they have them albeit in prisons or with bullets in their heads. Censorship is often rationalized or justified under the umbrella of ‘poor taste’ behaviour that is increasing even in our so called freedom of speech society under the aegis of‘political correctness’

    I was only exercising free speech. You imply that I was wrong to use free speech to challenge your choice of words. You are the censor. You are the one who is asserting that I don’t have the right to express an opinion on your choice of words. That your choice of a nickname for D that many people would find offensive should go unchallenged. I am just using free expression to call a spade a spade.

    You have the right to use offensive nicknames. I have the right to challenge your use of offensive nicknames. It is you who does not understand freedom of speech.

  39. icecastles says:

    PaperDesigner: I’m content to be mad now. They made poor bets. Even if one or two miraculously turns out, that doesn’t change the fact that the underlying thinking is flawed.

    Exactly. Rewarding a bad bet turning out simply encourages more bad bets. In the same way that the scouts shouldn’t be blamed if Nuge or Yak or Hall somehow crash and turn out to be busts, the job of the scouts is to find pieces with the best chance of high return. If a good bet goes bad, or if a bad bet turns out to be good… those are on the development process and blind luck. Much like taking Moroz at 31 a couple years ago… so many of their decisions just seem to be based on realy bad reasoning.

  40. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Feels like they didn’t want prospects here.

    A couple of the MSM types asked Stu my rough question… did you take overage college bound kids so you can just forget about them for a few years?

    He said no… then went on to say basically that was a real positive: not having to make a contract decision on them for several years.

    I think maybe this is 2010 burning them. They drafted reasonable CHL junior players and the first contract felt rushed and now they don’t like the situation they are in.

    So, we’re getting these Muir and Campbell types by the dozen now.

    Don’t get it.

  41. hunter1909 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Don’t use words like panzer, Luger, blitzkrieg or Wehrmacht in casual conversations. Random Germans may take offence.

    I don’t give a rats ass what Germans think. I’ve personally seen up to 30 drunken Germans returning from a ski holiday on a Dusseldorf railway platform seig heiling each other as the train left the station, with their mates reciprocating the nazi salute from inside.

    Don’t mention the war.

  42. bendelson says:

    Man. Three picks away from a chance at Anton ‘the enigma’ Karlsson at #91. So close and yet…
    And then Mayo, Bunting, Kulda?

    I liked Arizona’s picks today.
    I don’t have a clue about the Oilers selections.

  43. icecastles says:

    Bag of Pucks: Fair point but there is a correlation btw the two. Countries that censor freedom of speech and repress human rights don’t have Louis CKs and George Carlins, or more trenchantly, they have them albeit in prisons or with bullets in their heads. Censorship is often rationalized or justified under the umbrella of ‘poor taste’ behaviour that is increasing even in our so called freedom of speech society under the aegis of ‘political correctness’

    Conflating “poor taste” with “censorship” and oppressive dictatorships isn’t just painting with an overly broad brush, that’s spray painting the whole fucking wall.

  44. prairieschooner says:

    hunter1909: I don’t give a rats ass what Germans think. I’ve personally seen up to 30 drunken Germans returning from a ski holiday on a Dusseldorf railway platform seig heiling each other as the train left the station, with their mates reciprocating the nazi salute from inside. Don’t mention the war.

    Don’t worry Hunter it slipped out once but I think you got away with it

  45. icecastles says:

    godot10: I was only exercising free speech. You imply that I was wrong to use free speech to challenge your choice of words. You are the censor. You are the one who is asserting that I don’t have the right to express an opinion on your choice of words. That your choice of a nickname for D that many people would find offensive should go unchallenged. I am just using free expression to call a spade a spade.
    You have the right to use offensive nicknames. I have the right to challenge your use of offensive nicknames. It is you who does not understand freedom of speech.

    Damnit Godot, I loved calling you Shopping Cart… and now you go off and make all this sense. Anyway, 100% agree with what you say here. Amazing how often those criticizing censorship actually mean they just don’t want to be personally censored, but are fine with censoring those who would criticize them.

    (I really don’t know much about the draft and care even less, so I’ll stick around as long as we can have wacky fun side arguments)

  46. justDOit says:

    You guys want something that you can really make fun of?. I’ll just leave this here

  47. FastOil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Feels like they didn’t want prospects here.

    A couple of the MSM types asked Stu my rough question… did you take overage college bound kids so you can just forget about them for a few years?

    He said no… then went on to say basically that was a real positive: not having to make a contract decision on them for several years.

    I think maybe this is 2010 burning them. They drafted reasonable CHL junior players and the first contract felt rushed and now they don’t like the situation they are in.

    So, we’re getting these Muir and Campbell types by the dozen now.

    Don’t get it.

    Because they can’t tell what players are on the right track unless brilliant in a couple of years (not that anyone’s got it perfect) draft lesser, longer shot players you can look at longer. So Oilers.

    The late round picks are basically tossed as per usual. I guess it doesn’t matter statistically, but it is irritating and other teams seem to have 5-7 rounders make it, especially Euro D. Vesel particularly amuses me, they will never give him a shot at that size without offense he’ll not have – why draft him?

  48. Nostradumbass says:

    Lois Lowe

    Lois Lowe: Marc, I had a quick look at the 2012 draft list and nothing jumps out at me, but we can excoriate the Oilers for taking a sub .900 goaltending prospect over a flyer on Greg Chase 2.0 can’t we?McCarron, Laleggia, and Gustaffson haven’t really demonstrated that the overager strategy was worthwhile.

    Who the heck are Laleggia, McCarron and Gustaffson??

  49. skidplate says:

    Oiler fans are a funny lot. I can just see the venom if we did chose all these can’t miss Oil Kings. We would be complaining about how our scouts are worthless and should all be fired.

    Sounds familiar.

  50. Ducey says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Feels like they didn’t want prospects here.

    A couple of the MSM types asked Stu my rough question… did you take overage college bound kids so you can just forget about them for a few years?

    He said no… then went on to say basically that was a real positive: not having to make a contract decision on them for several years.

    I think maybe this is 2010 burning them. They drafted reasonable CHL junior players and the first contract felt rushed and now they don’t like the situation they are in.

    So, we’re getting these Muir and Campbell types by the dozen now.

    Don’t get it.

    The way i figure it is that:
    1. By the 5th round the cupboard is getting empty. There are no real good chances of getting CHL player with size, aggressiveness, 1 point per game who looks like someone who will look like he will become an NHL player. Everyone has a flaw – size, skating, hockey sense etc and you just don’t see him over coming.

    2. So you look for overagers that might be late bloomers: someone who wasn’t much as an 18 yr old but has taken a step forward. You have seen him take the step. You are not hoping he will.

    3. There are a few of these guys every year who come out of college every year who were never drafted and are signed as useful free agents.

    4. They never sign with the Oilers.

    5. Add this to the fact that a lot of late of late round picks take a long time to develop and taking the Campbells lets you have the on an ELC until maybe 26 or 27

    Something like this.

    Anyway, anyone taken here has a 9 % chance so its a crap shoot so the critics will usually be right.

  51. stevezie says:

    icecastles: (I really don’t know much about the draft and care even less, so I’ll stick around as long as we can have wacky fun side arguments)

    Right?

  52. justDOit says:

    Some Panzer highlights from last season: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkR-F14cK1Y

    Man, that is a great nickname. Wish I had thought of it.

  53. supernova says:

    This is one pick that seems like they are throwing their scout a Bone.

    Thanks for all the miles on the road. You love him, we will give your guy a shot.

  54. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ducey: The way i figure it is that:
    1. By the 5th round the cupboard is getting empty. There are no real good chances of getting CHL player with size, aggressiveness, 1 point per game who looks like someone who will look like he will become an NHL player. Everyone has a flaw – size, skating, hockey sense etc and you just don’t see him over coming.

    2. So you look for overagers that might be late bloomers: someone who wasn’t much as an 18 yr old but has taken a step forward. You have seen him take the step. You are not hoping he will.

    3. There area few of these guys every year who come out of college every year who were never drafted and are signed as useful free agents.

    4. They never sign with the Oilers.

    5. Add this to the fact that a lot of late of late round picks take a long time to develop and taking the Campbells lets you have the on an ELCuntil maybe 26 or 27

    Something like this.

    Anyway, anyone taken here has a 9 % chance so itsa crap shoot so the critics will usually be right.

    I don’t see the logic here. I looks like success avoidance to me.

    If you want an overager. fine. Take Kulda. Or Descheneau.

    Anyone leaving people scoring more than a point a game in the CHL on the board in the 5-7th rounds because of size issues, isn’t really committed to skill.

    Those guys have a much better chance of being what MacT claims he wants: “impact players”

    And, so far we’ve seen the following college kids sign with the Oilers: Arco, Fedun, Schultz, Oesterle, Miller off the top of my head.

    ——
    We’ve stopped taking Bob Brown’s Abneys but now we are taking Brown’s Coughlins.

    Sure, it’s a step up. But, we need to raise that bar a lot damn higher.

    And fire that guy. shit.

  55. icecastles says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I don’t see the logic here. I looks like success avoidance to me.

    Can you be successful at success avoidance?The Oilers can!

  56. Henry says:

    justDOit:
    You guys want something that you can really make fun of?. I’ll just leave this here

    That is the funniest thing I have seen in a week. And I watched Archer last night.

    Both were in spectacularly poor taste.

  57. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    supernova:
    This is one pick that seems like they are throwing their scout a Bone.

    Thanks for all the miles on the road. You love him, we will give your guy a shot.

    Romulus’ Apotheosis
    ‏@RomulusNotNuma
    MacGregor:
    Frederic Chabot involved in Keven Bouchard pick
    He had to “fight with” MacT to get the two Gs taken
    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=627165&catid=4

    Romulus’ Apotheosis
    ‏@RomulusNotNuma
    MacGregor cites G scout Dave Heitz on the Zachary Nagelvoort pick
    https://soundcloud.com/630ched/june-28-oilers-head-amateur-scout-stu-macgregor-post-draft
    Bob Brown (and others) on
    Liam Coughlin

  58. Henry says:

    supernova,

    Bingo

  59. Deadman Waiting says:

    The Mystery of the Origins of Yiddish Will Never Be Solved

    “It’s a problem that there’s a close relationship between German and Yiddish,” said Steffen Krogh, a Danish linguist who studies the Yiddish of Hasidic communities in Williamsburg and Antwerp. “It’s like a young girl who has been raped by her father. This girl can’t deny her origins, of course, but she doesn’t want to have anything to do with her father. This is how many Jews think of Yiddish. But it’s a fact you can’t deny.”

    Sensitivities are a minefield. A word like “panzer” could quite easily stir a pot that was red hot in living memory for older members of our society.

    One doesn’t go around nicknaming ones Teddy Bear “Jack the Ripper” and then hanging a sign on the tree fort door “Girls Welcome”, only to feign surprise when someone comments that your open-door policy sends a mixed message. Unregulated speech is psychopathic, regardless of constitutional freedom. If the only justification for saying something is “you can’t stop me” then your welcome mat to your fellow man is a cynical front on a cult of secret handshakes.

    Captain Raleigh found the queen walking , till, meeting with a plashy place, she seemed to scruple going thereon. Presently Raleigh cast and spread his new plush cloak on the ground; whereon the queen trod gently, rewarding him afterwards with many suits.

    It’s amusing to contemplate that he instead flung down the Union Jack. (Had Christ wished to be crucified by his own people, a parable of turning the other cloth might have got the job done.) That’s a little extreme, but in general we should be erring on the side of hospitality and welcome, rather than girding our loins as a free-speech proving ground just to give our stockiest Teddy Bear a cute nickname.

    How to speak so that people want to listen

  60. justDOit says:

    Henry: That is the funniest thing I have seen in a week.And I watched Archer last night.

    Both were in spectacularly poor taste.

    Looks like Burke is grooming himself for a ‘mad scientist’ role in an upcoming movie. And he’s doing a great job of it!

  61. Magnus says:

    The Oilers were the smartest (read: dumbest) guys in the room today… congrats.

  62. spoiler says:

    Wow, maybe the goal of the tournament from Rodriguez. Colombia has been masterful thus far in this World Cup. They could really surprise and make the Final match.

  63. theres oil in virginia says:

    Deadman Waiting: One doesn’t go around nicknaming ones Teddy Bear “Jack the Ripper” and then hanging a sign on the tree fort door “Girls Welcome”, only to feign surprise when someone comments that your open-door policy sends a mixed message.

    I think that message is quite clear. Yikes.

  64. Henry says:

    justDOit: Looks like Burke is grooming himself for a ‘mad scientist’ role in an upcoming movie. And he’s doing a great job of it!

    Eakins looks like he sees something flying out of there and is bracing for impact.

  65. theres oil in virginia says:

    spoiler,

    They’ll be full-value if they usher the cannibals out of the tournament.

    I think the “goal of the tournament” was the half-volley by Australia’s Tim Cahill vs Netherlands.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYcoiy14TQo

  66. justDOit says:

    Henry,

    Ha! That would be the genetically crossed bat/piranha he has developed!

  67. Henry says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I don’t see the logic here. I looks like success avoidance to me.

    If you want an overager. fine. Take Kulda. Or Descheneau.

    Anyone leaving people scoring more than a point a game in the CHL on the board in the 5-7th rounds because of size issues, isn’t really committed to skill.

    Those guys have a much better chance of being what MacT claims he wants: “impact players”

    And, so far we’ve seen the following college kids sign with the Oilers: Arco, Fedun, Schultz, Oesterle, Miller off the top of my head.

    ——
    We’ve stopped taking Bob Brown’s Abneys but now we are taking Brown’s Coughlins.

    Sure, it’s a step up. But, we need to raise that bar a lot damn higher.

    And fire that guy. shit.

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I see what you are saying, but I don’t mind trusting the scouts with late round goaltenders. Goalies are crazy and it is hard to project their madness going forward.

    Samu Perhonen in the third round is not a good pick. In the sixth round it is fine.

    Those late round fliers can pay off in a Rinne or Lundquist.

  68. Henry says:

    Rather than give an 18 year old manboy a controversial nickname can we call him ‘Diesel’ as someone yesterday suggested? He’s built more like a locomotive than a tank anyway.

    My favourite would be ‘Kraftwerk’.

  69. Younger Oil says:

    Henry: Romulus Apotheosis,

    I see what you are saying, but I don’t mind trusting the scouts with late round goaltenders.Goalies are crazy and it is hard to project their madness going forward.

    Samu Perhonen in the third round is not a good pick.In the sixth round it is fine.

    Those late round fliers can pay off in a Rinne or Lundquist.

    I don’t think anyone is really against picking Bouchard in the 7th round, it’s taking Vesel and Coughlin when players like Watson are still on the board that is leaving a bad taste in a lot of fan’s mouths.

  70. sliderule says:

    Oilers drafting.

    Same old,same old

    If Mact doesn’t fire Stu the oilers may have a little run but fall to earth once the first picks leave.

  71. Andy P says:

    I’d love to hear why nobody wanted Kulda.

  72. spoiler says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    spoiler,

    They’ll be full-value if they usher the cannibals out of the tournament.

    I think the “goal of the tournament” was the half-volley by Australia’s Tim Cahill vs Netherlands.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYcoiy14TQo

    Although that was a spectacular strike, IMO his goal today was even better than that one. He’s just scored another now off some beautiful passing. 5 goals in his first 4 World Cup matches. Unbelievable young player.

  73. Kris11 says:

    IMO, when we’re talking rounds five and layer, as long as you aren’t drafting a goon, pretty much any pick is fine by me. On the board or off the board: pretty much any pick that a scout says “go for it” to (save the goons) has similar chances of succeeding. Differences in the chance of success are near negligible.

    It’s all a crapshoot.

    Nothing to get worked up about.

    The sins are drafting goons, drafting for need instead of best player available in first round, going off the board in rounds 1-3 (sometimes in round 4, too), and especially drafting goons early.

  74. Lois Lowe says:

    I just don’t see how Panzer is offensive. It’s the literal word for ‘tank’ in German. I’m pretty sure the Germans still have a military with tanks. Do they avoid naming them so they don’t conjure up memories of WWII?

  75. steveb12344 says:

    Lois Lowe:
    I just don’t see how Panzer is offensive. It’s the literal word for ‘tank’ in German. I’m pretty sure the Germans still have a military with tanks. Do they avoid naming them so they don’t conjure up memories of WWII?

    I believe it was Milbury who got in a lot of trouble when he once used the phrase “Panzerfication of Hockey” during a broadcast.

  76. spoiler says:

    Henry: My favourite would be ‘Kraftwerk’.

    Not Rammstein?

  77. thejonrmcleod says:

    Younger Oil,

    Players “like Watson” were available until the last pick.

  78. justDOit says:

    Lois Lowe:
    I just don’t see how Panzer is offensive. It’s the literal word for ‘tank’ in German. I’m pretty sure the Germans still have a military with tanks. Do they avoid naming them so they don’t conjure up memories of WWII?

    I’m with you on this. If people can justify being offended by the word Panzer, then as a lover of music, I can be offended by Kraftwork and Rammstein.

    I guess we’ll just have to call him Leon, and hope the budget furniture store doesn’t get offended…

  79. book¡je says:

    Lois Lowe:
    I just don’t see how Panzer is offensive. It’s the literal word for ‘tank’ in German. I’m pretty sure the Germans still have a military with tanks. Do they avoid naming them so they don’t conjure up memories of WWII?

    Oh my Goodness, I can’t believe you said the T-word. Ban her LT!

  80. Lowetide says:

    New post up. Generally speaking, anything to do with the Nazi’s I try to stay away from.

  81. Younger Oil says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    Younger Oil,

    Players “like Watson” were available until the last pick.

    I realize that he was available until the end of the draft, but my point was a player who can get above a point per game in the OHL in his 17 year old season is probably more likely to have success than a player who can’t get a point per game in the BCHL in his 19 year old season. Jujhar Khaira put up similar numbers in the same league in his 16 year old season.

    Bottom line, I have no problem with the “draft and follow” approach, but I’d prefer it with younger players who actually show some promise. Again, I’ll wait 5 years, but it is much easier to defend Watson as a 5th round pick compared to someone like Coughlin.

    Were there any CHL players in their first year of draft ability to get above a point per game and not get drafted? I’m not sure if there were or not, but I would be surprised if there were.

  82. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Younger Oil: Were there any CHL players in their first year of draft ability to get above a point per game and not get drafted? I’m not sure if there were or not, but I would be surprised if there were.

    Tkachev.

  83. Younger Oil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Tkachev.

    Thanks! I’m surprised a team didn’t take a 7th round flyer on him, even with a small sample size, 1.5PPG is pretty impressive! Also showed that he wants to play in NA.

  84. prairieschooner says:

    Panzer is a crap name for the kid

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