SAIL ON, LONDON KNIGHT

I remember well the day Sam Gagner became an Edmonton Oiler. We’d been talking about him for weeks, and discussing options and preferences. The morning Sam Gagner was drafted in 2007, I wrote:

  • Jim Matheson says the Oilers have targeted Sam Gagner and that’s alright with me. I’d be a little disappointed with Karl Alzner (I suspect Prendergast likes him most of all, he’s been positively silly in his comments) and very disappointed if they dealt the pick at #6.

They took Sam.

  • Red Line Report: Sam Gagner is Kane’s running mate in London. He has wonderful vision and creativity and a variety of touch passes that he can make through traffic. He is also the son of former NHL standout Dave Gagner and has acquired his father’s intuitive offensive instincts and general hockey sense. Gagner’s lateral quickness and variety of shifty moves create problems for defenders.

I wasn’t convinced early. I could see his skill, but wondered about him at center and really wondered about him staying that fall. I went to training camp with my friend Louise and she convinced me (Louise is a wise person)—well, 89 convinced me, but Louise pointed it out—that he was the Oilers best option and earned the roster spot. In that first season, Gagner scored 49 points and could have had more—the lasting memory I have of Robert Nilsson was how many golden chances he missed on perfect and sublime passes from Sam Gagner.

He was a project at 18 defensively, they all are really. The thing about Gagner is that he improved a little each year, or maybe I just told myself that and hoped Horcoff would live forever. Well.

We know about Sam’s down arrows and I’m not going to spend too much time on them. Suffice to say that the moment Leon Draisaitl’s name was called, the die was cast for Sam Gagner. Edmonton is quite likely content with carrying youngsters Leon Draisaitl and Nail Yakupov in their top 9F (I’m still not completely convinced Yakupov is here long term, but pray baby Jesus MacT is patient), but if they’re going to do it, savvy veterans are required around them.

Which, incredibly, is exactly what Phoenix will do with Samwise. Two good veterans, plenty of offensive zone starts to use 89′s skills, and we’re cooking with petrol.

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When I was a kid, I collected hockey cards and dreamed about playing in the NHL, but, as an adult, cheering takes on a different view. I enjoy watching these young people arrive before they can shave, take on challenges and succeed, slowly but surely finding their way. That’s it, that’s what being a fan is for me really. I like to see winning and 30 goal seasons and the 2006 run was just about the most fun I’ve had as a fan in 20 years (only fun, but you get the point). As you get older, you realize the journey is the thing, the struggle, and the victory is a fully formed player and the reward is watching them grow up in front of you.

So, if that’s your viewpoint as a fan, and I know from reading you these years in the comments you’re the same, if that’s your seat in the house, then these failures are painful and galling. And sure it’s Gagner’s fault and Pouliot’s fault and Rita’s fault and Schremp’s fault, but sooner or later you develop a past, and the Oilers’ recent past is chapter and verse on the subject of ‘you’re going the wrong way’.  And they’re trading Sam to do the same thing with Leon.

Oh, those Oilers.

I think Craig MacTavish did us all one giant, beautiful favor when he brought in Craig Ramsay. For the love of Pete the Oilers can’t possibly be this bad at developing hockey players. Can they? If Ramsay can’t fix them I think Old Man Katz is going to have to flush the group.

Today’s news: 89′s last two seasons were his worst in fact (2012-13) and by eye (2013-14) and he’s down the line. Not a yip, this is how it’s done. I thoroughly enjoyed him as a player and sincerely wish he could have hung around for the good times. Sam Gagner should be, and will be, so much more than a Pat Quinn punch line, and I hope he wins a Stanley and scores 8 in Rexall.

Sail on, London Knight. It should have been so much better. Don’t beat yourself up, you had a lot of help.

MACT’S SUMMER 2014 LIST

  1. A veteran top pairing defenseman. A real man, big time EV minutes and a history of successful sorties. Update: Nikita Nikitin has been added to the defense, but doesn’t fit the top pairing role. It’s possible EDM adds that top-pairing option in the next week. Nikitin is an actual NHL player.
  2. A 2line C with experience and the ability to play a two-way game. This is the other vital piece.
  3. A legit two-way winger who can score 12-15 goals. The Pisani role. Mentor, calms the waters. Update: Teddy Purcel has some of the elements we’re talking about here, although he’s not a terrific two-way type. He does give the team offense on the wing, and he has experience.
  4. Find a way to get value, or make use of, Sam Gagner. This does not include time at center. Update: I like MacT’s aggressiveness in problem solving. He dealt 89 after the draft, and acquired an actual NHL player in Purcell. I’ve got miles of room to criticize the organization about handling Gagner, but the trade is fine from here.
  5. Improve the bottom 6F’s.
  6. Retain as much of the young cluster as possible, understanding that the player who represents #1 on this list might cost a young D who will one day fill that role.
  7. Get Petry signed long term.
  8. Sign Schultz but DO NOT break the bank.

There’s progress being made, he’s addressed defense and given the team an experienced forward to add to the group. The center position has more (not less) clarity today and I’d expect a trade or free agent signing in the next while for the empty spot:

 PROJECTED FORWARD DEPTH CHART

CENTER LEFT WING RIGHT WING
RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS TAYLOR HALL JORDAN EBERLE
LEON DRAISAITL DAVID PERRON TEDDY PURCELL
MARK ARCOBELLO?? JESSE JOENSUU?? NAIL YAKUPOV
BOYD GORDON MATT HENDRICKS TYLER PITLICK ??
ANTON LANDER LUKE GAZDIC

The top two lines are interesting, I’ve placed Leon Draisaitl on the 2line—for the record I would send him back to Prince Albert for at least another year.  The Oilers don’t play that way, as mentioned in the Sail On. I like the veteran combination for the big German on that line, but am decidedly not thrilled with the Yakupov linemates. That’s the work to be done, I’d love to see Grabobski-Kulemin there but we’ll see. It could be Brian Boyle-Rene Bourque-Nail Yakupov on that 3line so let’s not get carried away.

They need a veteran center and they need a Pisani and they need another NHL defenseman. And right soon!

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You can click to enlarge, it shows Quincey (this is Corsi ON) as a second pairing defender who is a little in the red on a good possession team. He’s a good player, second-pairing defenseman who is average in zone starts (no push, no penalty) and his ON trails most of the group. Do I like him? Yes. He was playing with a young Danny DeKeyser for most of the season, and was over 50% without him.

Do I like him better than Nikitin? Yes. Do I think he’s a top pairing defender? No. However, if the Oilers signed him their depth chart might be:

LEFT DEFENSE RIGHT DEFENSE
MARTIN MARINCIN JEFF PETRY (RFA)
KYLE QUINCEY JUSTIN SCHULTZ
ANDREW FERENCE NIKITA NIKITIN
OSCAR KLEFBOM

I would prefer they gather themselves up and grab Ehrhoff, or pursue Stralman. Quincey is miles from Engelland, and that’s a good thing. I still think Marincin will end up playing big minutes.

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  1. russ99 says:

    I think Purcell either takes care of 3 or 5 on your list, hopefully 3. I see him starting off as 3rd RW and moving up as his play dictates, and as we deal with injuries.

    My big concern now is if this opens the door to a Yak trade – one that there’s no way we can win at this point in time.

    IMO, he needs another year at least to get on track from a rough sophomore year before we even think about a trade, a year that wasn’t helped by coaching. He’s my biggest target for improvement with Ramsay in the fold, a more stabile, mature voice in the room that can build him up as much as Eakins tears him down.

    Going to miss Sam, he was a good Oiler that unfortunately had to bear a large part of the brunt of the rebuild. How much better would he be had we not hired Quinn and/or brought in experienced 2-way forward help much sooner?

  2. Surly says:

    Sail on Gagner…that 8-point game will forever be etched in this normally forgetful brain of mine.

    Good luck in AZ, I’ll always enjoy watching those shootout moves (perhaps more now that I won’t be vested in the result)

    Some Statsny chatter this morning. FYI, $6.5million in Denver nets him $3.66million after tax…same deal in Edmonton gets him $3.98million.

  3. book¡je says:

    A few years ago Pat Quinn said something about wanting to send Sam down or sit him but was told ‘from above’ that he couldn’t do that.

    That’s the problem. Well Sam had every chance to prove himself, he was never really coached properly (despite having half a dozen coaches here).

    For all we know, he might not have improved with good coaching. However he might have a shame we didn’t get to find out.

  4. soup says:

    So long Sam. I really enjoyed you being an Oiler, and very dissappointed that your development was screwed over by this organization in constant transition. Had hoped that they would have kept you around and surrounded you with better wingers in hopes that it would hide your deficiencies and let you do your best in the o-zone, but alas… You’ll be missed as much for your charactor as your points. Learn your trade in Arizona, and please don’t shove it down our throats for the next 10 years.

    LT – would Boyle out of NYR be a reasonable target for the veteran C? Someone who could potentially platoon with Leon between 2nd and 3rd C until the youngster gets comfortable? I liked his game in the playoffs for the Rangers. Mostly wing I think, but was able to make an impact.

    For the vet-D, my wish is for more Stalman than Ehrhoff. Stalman was able to hold his own with the monsters in LA. Can box out the slot, break a cycle and still contribute to moving the puck in the right direction. I suspect both are a pipe dream, but it isn’t my money.

  5. icecastles says:

    I think this was a strong trade. The biggest concern about dealing 89 this summer was that there would be minimal return. Getting a “real NHL player” was a pleasant surprise. Tampa flipped him with another player and for all the talk of MacT getting schooled on the deal, you’d think he was flipped for a better player or a high draft pick. Tampa flipped Gagner (with another player thrown in) for a SIXTH round pick. Granted, their goal was clearly a salary dump, but considering Edmonton got ten times the ROI that Tampa did, this doesn’t read like the Oilers getting schooled to me. Especially when you factor in that Tampa apparently had to retain 1/3 of Gagner’s salary. If Yzerman doesn’t land his big fish, he’s going to look terrible on this deal.

    I’ll miss Sam, but after seven years, we know who and what he was. It was time to part ways and give him a fresh start, and there was no fleecing on the deal.

    I’m just glad Samwise is now on a team that I also follow and cheer for.

  6. justDOit says:

    Young Sam, of the Knights Who Say Nay (I won’t backcheck), I’ll miss you – but only a little. Good luck in the desert.

  7. HallDown says:

    The 8-point night against CHI still rates as my favorite moment in recent Oilers history. You have to wonder what Sam’s career could have been if they’d left him at RW where he started.

    I think I still prefer Fayne. Both will demand the same $$, but Fayne can play top line minutes, while Quincey would definitely play behind Petry.

  8. marcseguin says:

    I can’t disagree that Gagner should have stayed with the big club in 2007. I think he was on a hockey-high at the time, so he was in great form. He hardly came off the ice for a year. He played a ton of hockey prior to Oilers training camp:
    - Great year with Knights, 5th in league scoring (can be deceiving as we saw with Schremp)
    - World Juniors
    - 16 playoff games with Knights
    - Drafted
    - Played in 2007 Super Series Aug.27-Sep 9, and was leading scorer & named MVP
    - Oilers training camp

    He played a lot of high-level hockey that year. I often wonder if that was the reason he looked so good that Fall. He may have benefited from a year or two in the minors. So easy to say in hindsight.

  9. Jon K says:

    It’s interesting that Quincey’s name comes up. Rosco in yesterday’s thread mentioned that he and Purcell are good friends, apparently:

    ROSCO says:
    June 29, 2014 at 11:37 pm
    Found this little tidbit about Purcell and Boyle… Says they’re good buddies and Boyle would be a great fit here as well… Figured they had played on the Monarchs together.
    “Closest NHL Friends: “Probably Brian Boyle for the Rangers. Kyle Quincey in Colorado. All the guys in L.A. I spent those first three years with those guys. But some of the guys here I’m starting to become pretty good buddies with, too. So, a lot of good friends throughout the league.””
    http://mobile.thn.com/articles/38129-Teddy-Purcell.html

    Boyle is hitting the FA market, and reportedly his priority is getting more icetime than he was seeing in NY as the 4th line centre. Vollman showed that Boyle played about 10 mins ES per game last year, with around only 25% offensive zone starts. He did however have NY’s worst F corsi on, even including the other 4th liners.

    ———–

    It’s hard to criticize Sam much for his performance and getting traded. Viewed from afar, he made good on being a 6th overall pick in a weak draft year. He remains second in scoring for his draft year behind Pat Kane, and even if he is surpassed by a few players later on, there’s no arguing that he covered the bet.

    Hope he succeeds in Arizona and serves as to remind Oilers management to consider all of the potential consequences of sending an 18 year old to the NHL. One can only wonder about Sam going back and being the leader on what was then a good London team.

  10. LMHF#1 says:

    The 8-point night was something truly amazing in the midst of a horrendous season where going to the games sometimes felt like work. Won’t ever forget it. Still don’t understand why they let him come off the ice for the last few minutes…

    It would have been very interesting to see Sam’s path if the team hadn’t purposely headed for the cliff for so many straight years. I imagine that at worst he could have been Stoll (current version) on a good team where he was flanked by some strong wingers to fish the puck out of the corners. With that said, he also should have gone to the wing years ago now, but flushing the Stolls, Brodziak’s and others has consequences.

  11. LMHF#1 says:

    marcseguin:

    He played a lot of high-level hockey that year.I often wonder if that was the reason he looked so good that Fall.He may have benefited from a year or two in the minors.So easy to say in hindsight.

    The word at the time was that he was the fittest guy in the league. Hyperbole for sure, but that seemed to be a big reason he stayed.

  12. CM says:

    I was chatting with the wife last night after I read about the trade. I said, “I hate myself for still caring about this team. There is nothing else in my life that I would accept this type of shit show and still be emotionally involved. If the oilers were my best friend I would have deserted them a long time ago.”

    She then said. “If you want to stop caring Stop reading your blogs.”

    She’s Right LT. I’m sorry but I just can’t do it any more. I remember when the Oilers picked Gagner. This feels like full circle now. I can’t keep doing this.

    I’m not coming back till they make the playoffs. Thanks for the memories.

    CM

  13. dangilitis says:

    I have read many sail ons, and gagner’s has to be the most depressing of them all. At least Hemsky succeeded for a brief period and enjoyed a hell of a playoff run. Gagner’s 24 and I feel like he has already experienced a careers worth of failures and bad advice. I will be interested to see how he fares as the position we wanted to give up on him with under one of the most structured coach in the NHL. Sail on and truly best wishes to a guy who still has the potential for 15 additional years of good hockey (how crazy is that?)

  14. Ryan says:

    Lots to think about… I’m not a capologist, but that does look by eye to be one very expensive third pairing.

    As a starting point, I do like that the Oilers are starting to target players that are 28 (instead of 33).

    Kyle Quincy is no screaming hell, but he is an actual NHL player and we’ll take mire of those.

  15. Rod from Viking says:

    My biggest Gagner moment was the 8 point night as well, I had an early morning and a two hour drive home so I left after the second period and listened on the way home. My son who lives in Edmonton stayed at the game and often gives me the gears about it. It could have been worse I could have had the winning 50/50 in my pocket too.

  16. mumbai max says:

    I am sure Sam is a nice guy, but those fly by back checks drove me crazy. I do not think the organization, or the coach (or the other coaches) can take credit for this. He was just plain old not interested in picking up his man all the way down the ice. He was supposed to be a leader of the group and he could not be bothered to check his hat. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out Sam. Addition by subtraction indeed.

  17. slopitch says:

    The Oilers really need to look at Gagner, then at Draisatl and make the decision to keep him in juniors. If the Oilers do bring in Erhoff, I suspect LD will be playing in the NHL however.

    Its too bad for Gagner, I hope he turns it around. Too many coaches and too much chaos in Edmonton during the most important part of his career. I do believe its not all on the team though. Last year was a tough season but I think he’ll bounce back. Best of luck Sam.

  18. Woodguy says:

    Reprinted from Tyler’s twitter (without permission):

    Sammy waited till he finished high school
    He went to Russia, he got in game shape
    He came to Oiler camp and they needed hope

    The future was wide open

    He stayed in Edmonton, they had no forwards
    He put some pts right up there on the board
    Nobody noticed his PDOs high

    The sky was the limit

    Into the great wide open
    Under them skies of blue
    Out in the great wide open
    Sam has no Dzone clue

    The paper said Sam always showed lots of heart
    He had an agent and a winger named Hems
    His underlying #s started climbing the charts

    The sky was the limit

  19. Ca$h-Money! says:

    This deal shows that MacT is aware of the difficulty he will have pitching to free agents… just as the Nikitin overpay did. While this reality is unfortunate, the fact that MacT recognizes it is a good thing. He has a team that has been at the bottom of the league for years and years, in a destination that isn’t particularly attractive to begin with.

    If Purcell had been bought out, MacT would have had a tough time getting him as a UFA, simply no guarantees. What we’ve done here is free up a small amount of cap space, and add a guy whose offense is roughly on par with Gagner’s, but with solid (if not outstanding) possesion numbers… all in a bigger body. This is a versatile top 9 forward for 2 years, in exchange for a guy who clearly had no value on the trade market. It’s a win for MacT, even if it’s sad that it came to this.

    I think as fans we need to lower the bar in terms of an acceptable return from MacT in free agency. These last two moves show me that UFAs are telling him they’re not interested, so while I want him to go out there and sign all of Grabbo/Kulemin/Fayne, I don’t think it will happen.

    I think we’ll sign Vernon Fiddler as a bottom 6 forward, not because he’s who we want, but because he’s who we’ll get… and we’ll overpay by $1,000,000.

  20. Ryan says:

    Ca$h-Money!:
    This deal shows that MacT is aware of the difficulty he will have pitching to free agents…just as the Nikitin overpay did. While this reality is unfortunate, the fact that MacT recognizes it is a good thing. He has a team that has been at the bottom of the league for years and years, in a destination that isn’t particularly attractive to begin with.

    If Purcell had been bought out, MacT would have had a tough time getting him as a UFA, simply no guarantees.What we’ve done here is free up a small amount of cap space, and add a guy whose offense is roughly on par with Gagner’s, but with solid (if not outstanding) possesion numbers… all in a bigger body.This is a versatile top 9 forward for 2 years, in exchange for a guy who clearly had no value on the trade market.It’s a win for MacT, even if it’s sad that it came to this.

    I think as fans we need to lower the bar in terms of an acceptable return from MacT in free agency.These last two moves show me that UFAs are telling him they’re not interested, so while I want him to go out there and sign all of Grabbo/Kulemin/Fayne, I don’t think it will happen.

    I think we’ll sign Vernon Fiddler as a bottom 6 forward, not because he’s who we want, but because he’s who we’ll get…and we’ll overpay by $1,000,000.

    I was just thinking the same thing…both in terms of the UFA situation as well as the Gagner deal.

    Part of me hopes that Mact stays cool and pulls a Maloney near the end of the summer. Hopefully there would be a few good players left without a chair when the music stops.

  21. Dee Dee says:

    Gagner was the last of the first rebuild crew along with Neilson, Cogs, Schremp and others. Sad day to see him go.

    I’ve consoled myself by remembering that these players are heading out to successful organizations and getting out of the circus that is this place.

    Perhaps this is the season that “I got you Babe” won’t be on my radio every morning when I wake up, but been saying that for a long long time now.

  22. oilonthewall says:

    Other than the drafts, Gagners 8 point night has been the one and only highlight of the last 6 years that I can remember. Happiest moment of being and oiler fan since ’06

  23. Ryan says:

    Woodguy:
    Reprinted from Tyler’s twitter (without permission):

    Sammy waited till he finished high school
    He went to Russia, he got in game shape
    He came to Oiler camp and they needed hope

    The future was wide open

    He stayed in Edmonton, they had no forwards
    He put some pts right up there on the board
    Nobody noticed his PDOs high

    The sky was the limit

    Into the great wide open
    Under them skies of blue
    Out in the great wide open
    Sam has no Dzone clue

    The paper said Sam always showed lots of heart
    He had an agent and a winger named Hems
    His underlying #s started climbing the charts

    The sky was the limit

    Part of the problem with Gagner’s development is that he got all the positive reinforcement via minutes and cash to keep playing the way he did.

    Positive reinforcement is a stronger motivator of human behavior than negative reinforcement.

  24. Woodguy says:

    I went to training camp with my friend Louise and she convinced me (Louise is a wise person)—well, 89 convinced me, but Louise pointed it out—that he was the Oilers best option and earned the roster spot. In that first season,

    Curious if Louise thought he made the team as a C or RW?

    Here is the faceoff stats from Gagner’s rookie year:

    Jarret Stoll 1229
    Shawn Horcoff 963
    Marty Reasoner 906
    Andrew Cogliano 542
    Sam Gagner 299
    Kyle Brodziak 297
    Dustin Penner 189

    I don’t see how he’s a top 4 option in that group as a C.

    Wing, sure? He played mostly wing.

    Oilers made a mistake in leaving their C acquisition hat in the mud room from 2007 until 2012.

    That’s the biggest flaw in the whole thing.

    Gagner doesn’t progress as a C, but is a sublime offensive talent.

    They keep jamming him in as 2C with no protection and he fails.

    Will be interesting to see if Sam gets better without the puck under Tippett or if Sam finishes the job of turning Tippett’s hair all grey.

    My $ is on the later.

    Tippett will protect Gagner with Hanzel and Vermette, but he’ll still get picked on when they are away from Glendale.

    Good luck Sam!

    Also,

    I stood next to Sam for a brief conversation once. We were both in dress shoes.

    I am 5’10.5″ exactly and had at least 1″ on him. Maybe 1.5″

    Sam is listed at 5’11″

  25. Darrell says:

    CM,

    Interesting – This dude just broke up with the Oilers! I can’t imagine how many of us have felt the same way over the last 20 years. The crazy part is that we are hooked on hope, what-ifs and boldness of the Oilers. Last year, I had highest expectation for good hockey since 2007 SCP hangover. This year, I have even higher hopes with Ze German and bounced back year from the CORE.

    I am still in this thing long term as it’s the win or lose hit the booze Oiler way …

  26. Woodguy says:

    Ryan: Part of the problem with Gagner’s development is that he got all the positive reinforcement via minutes and cash to keep playing the way he did.

    Positive reinforcement is a stronger motivator of human behavior than negative reinforcement.

    The phrase “entitled younger players” came to Edmonton with Gagner, Cogliano, Nilsson and Pouliot.

    The problem when you give anyone anything is that their brain deals with it by becoming convinced they did something to earn it.

  27. book¡je says:

    CM:
    I was chatting with the wife last night after I read about the trade. I said, “I hate myself for still caring about this team. There is nothing else in my life that I would accept this type of shit show and still be emotionally involved. If the oilers were my best friend I would have deserted them a long time ago.”

    She then said. “If you want to stop caring Stop reading your blogs.”

    She’s Right LT. I’m sorry but I just can’t do it any more. I remember when the Oilers picked Gagner. This feels like full circle now. I can’t keep doing this.

    I’m not coming back till they make the playoffs. Thanks for the memories.

    CM

    You can’t escape – MacT will make a trade or signing and you will be right back here.

  28. Snowman says:

    Thank you Samwise for the years of no quit. You might not have always known what you were supposed to do but You’d be damned if you weren’t going to do it as hard as you could. I always appreciated that. My girlfriend and I always marveled at how young you are. We must’ve said “Gagner, he’s so young right now” a thousand time these past years, marveling at your skill and your heart. Suddenly you don’t feel so young anymore. May the hockey gords bless you with Stanley and another 8 point night in Rexall. You surely deserved better than you got.

  29. Snowman says:

    On another note, seriously, how much money would it take to land Erhoff? Hall’s contract? More? Less?

  30. icecastles says:

    CM: I’m not coming back till they make the playoffs. Thanks for the memories.

    I believe one isn’t a *true* fan of a team until they’ve stuck with them through the times of suck. Anyone can cheer for a winner. That’s easy and, frankly, not half as rewarding. It’s one of the reasons that Edmonton’s considered to have such great fans, hard on players as we tend to be. 8 years of terrible and we still fill Rexall Place.

  31. icecastles says:

    Snowman: On another note, seriously, how much money would it take to land Erhoff? Hall’s contract? More? Less?

    Oh gawd, I hope less than that. His current contract has him at four million this year and for the next three. I’d say he’s worth that, but nowhere near the six that Hall is seeing.

    Fun fact: for a long time after listening to games on the radio, I thought his last name was Jenairhoff. Chris Jenairhoff.

  32. bsmart says:

    So what is the reason Buffalo would be buying out Ehroff and not trading him? He would have a number of suitors, no?

  33. elgruntus says:

    Sam, thanks for stepping up and taking on Beauchemin that night against the Ducks (if my memory serves me) , when all your team mates looked the other way. Thanks for the 8 point night. Sorry you didn’t turn out to be Taylor Hall version 1, as promised. Not all backs are strong enough to carry a team this messed up. Hope you kill it in the desert.

  34. Kris11 says:

    Sam will now be playing woth his 100th coach in 7 years.

    Also, I reject the idea that he would’ve been tha much better on the wing.

    IMO, he’ll be a good player, but he has had some very rough patches here and I don’t think putting him on the wing would’ve helped. Am happy to be corrected, though.

  35. Ice Sage says:

    Good luck in the Desert, 89. The shootout moves in 1st and last seasons are some fine memories from a dark time. Tippett will have to keep earning his keep.
    The dressing room will benefit from this move, I suspect. Perron and Gordon are much better role models for this fragile crew.

  36. Frank the dog says:

    Take a look at Sam’s stats:
    http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/g/gagnesa01.html

    Now take a look at his coaches and assistants:

    Year / HC / Offensive Assistant / PPG / +/-
    2007 / MacT / Daum / 0.62 / -21
    2008 / MacT / Bucky / 0.54 / -1
    2009 / Quinn / Bucky / 0.6 / -8
    2010 / Renney / Bucky / 0.62 / -17
    2011 / Renney / Bucky / 0.63 / +5
    2012 / Krueger / Bucky / 0.75 / -6
    2013 / Eakins / Bucky / 0.55 / -21

    How about we justify any Coach/Player narratives around simple facts?
    > Only positive =/- was his 2nd year under Renney.
    > Highest points were 0.75 at accost of -6 under Krueger
    > Worst performance of all time after his jaw was crushed.

    So the benchmark for his performance in Edmonton is his career average of -11. But unless he gets to positive figures pretty quick he’ll be out of the NHL.

    I suspect that Sam will turn around his career and blow that +5 out the water in the most positive way. Regardless of whose fault it was that he failed here.

  37. misfit says:

    bsmart:
    So what is the reason Buffalo would be buying out Ehroff and not trading him? He would have a number of suitors, no?

    Cap recapture penalty at the end of his contract if he retires early. Even if they trade him, they look to take a serious hit on the cap down the line if he doesn’t play out his contract with the new team.

  38. Frank the dog says:

    bsmart,

    Check the earlier blogs, it was covered there. Ehrhoff wanted out of Buffalo, a trade would have left them with an unacceptable cap hit for years after he left. Buying him out reduced the cap hit to acceptable levels.

  39. limit says:

    I’ll remember Sam as the best player in the Summit Series leading a team that had Tavares, Doughty, Sutter, Turris.
    Hey what happened to the supposedly Josh Bailey/Colin Wilson/Kyle Clifford/2nd+3rd returns rumoured here over the last few months, and ultimately Gags was worth a buyout target/6th rounder? That sounds like we really have no clue about the trade value of players or did Gags’ value plummet somehow? For example, why couldn’t Yzerman trade Gags for a 2nd+3rd and could only get a 6th?

  40. Frank the dog says:

    limit: Hey what happened to the supposedly Josh Bailey/Colin Wilson/Kyle Clifford/2nd+3rd returns rumoured here over the last few months, and ultimately Gags was worth a buyout target/6th rounder? That sounds like we really have no clue about the trade value of players or did Gags’ value plummet somehow?

    What would you pay for a -11 point forward coming off a -21 point year?

  41. bsmart says:

    misfit,

    Thanks!! I was curious as it seemed to be an odd move.

  42. misfit says:

    No Sail on, Milton Icehawk?

    Gagner is far from a perfect player, but he was a good one, and with plenty of development still ahead of him. He’s a better player than his trade value (clearly), which is why I didn’t want to see him go this offseason.

    Maloney has a long history of buying low on good players, and he got another one for peanuts.

    Sail on, Sam.

  43. slopitch says:

    Rondo,

    I dont see why they wouldnt just offer a Hall contract. Its a steal in 2 years.

    CBJ cant play hardball or someone will OS them.

  44. Snowman says:

    Frank the dog: What would you pay for a -11 point forward coming off a -21 point year?

    That is exactly why I’m not upset with the return. I think MacT did a pretty decent job getting something for an asset that currently has apparently no value. For once the Oilers sold low but also bought low. We’re halfway to buy low sell high.

  45. Kris11 says:

    I have mixed emotions. I liked Gagner a lot when he started, but found him so frustrating to watch for the last two or so years. It is like he lost a step of quickness when he was never blazing speed to start with. (No?) And the commitment to defensive responsibility didn’t seem to be 100% either. (No?) You can forgive a young player a lot, but young offensive forwards are supposed to blossom pretty early and Gagner was falling apart instead of growing.

    Also, “the Gagner era” is the post cup-run era and is really the worst era in Oiler fan history. (Not his fault, of course.) The results were horrid in that era and the excuses of being a small market team with a lower budget weren’t present like they were pre-cup run and post dynasty.

    I know trading Gagner doesn’t end that era, but it feels really symbolic, in a good way, to me that he is gone.

    Finally, I suspect he is the most debated player in Oilers’ blog history. That is sort of sentimental, too.

  46. LMHF#1 says:

    This is one of the only times I’d consider this – Yakupov to CBJ, Sign Johansen to the Hall/Eberle/Hopkins deal.

    That pretty much solves it, right?

    Feels like an overpay, but I’m assuming if you OS him, they’ll just match.

  47. John Chambers says:

    HallDown,

    I don’t understand why people think Fayne is capable of top-pairing minutes. He averaged just over 18 mins last year, and has about as much pro experience as Jeff Petry.

    Agreed we need a RH defenseman to play ahead of Petry and Schultz (and a LH defenseman too), but IMO none of the FA options are attractive in terms of the money ($5M for Strahlman, no thanks), or contract length.

    The best option for the Oilers will be to take on another team’s salary headache short term (Boychuk!), or trade one our surplus top-6 wingers for a big-time blueliner (Byfuglien!).

    Fayne for under $4M for 3 years or less? Yes. Is he a top-pair panacea? No sir, no he is not.

  48. Ducey says:

    O’Brien, Gleason and Volchenkov on waivers:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=456069

  49. Ca$h-Money! says:

    John Chambers,

    A pick (or prospect) for Boychuck is my dream scenario. With Boston’s cap issues and desire to sign Iggy it’s a possibility, as I’m not sure they’d like a roster player in return.

    Musil for Boychuck… highly unlikely, but a boy can dream.

  50. book¡je says:

    I think MacT did well on the return. Given that TB was going to buy him out, but instead managed to get 6th for keeping 1/3 the salary, it’s impressive that MacT got a player.

    It would have been interesting if the Oilers were the second trade, taking Sam back for 2/3 of his salary in exchange for a 6th.

  51. Woodguy says:

    John Chambers:
    HallDown,

    I don’t understand why people think Fayne is capable of top-pairing minutes. He averaged just over 18 mins last year, and has about as much pro experience as Jeff Petry.

    Agreed we need a RH defenseman to play ahead of Petry and Schultz (and a LH defenseman too), but IMO none of the FA options are attractive in terms of the money ($5M for Strahlman, no thanks), or contract length.

    The best option for the Oilers will be to take on another team’s salary headache short term (Boychuk!), or trade one our surplus top-6 wingers for a big-time blueliner (Byfuglien!).

    Fayne for under $4M for 3 years or less? Yes. Is he a top-pair panacea? No sir, no he is not.

    Because he played vs the top opposition with Greene for the last two years.

    Zidlicky has more 5v5 TOI, but he wasn’t in the tough minute pairing. That was Greene and Fayne and has been for two years

  52. Woodguy says:

    Ca$h-Money!:
    John Chambers,

    A pick (or prospect) for Boychuck is my dream scenario.With Boston’s cap issues and desire to sign Iggy it’s a possibility, as I’m not sure they’d like a roster player in return.

    Musil for Boychuck…highly unlikely, but a boy can dream.

    I floated Musil plus a 4th a week or so ago.

    They might bite.

    You never know.

  53. Ducey says:

    O’Brien, Gleason and Volchenkov on waivers:

    Buying out Volchenkov likely allows NJ to sign Fayne.

    Turfing Gleason probably means the Dion isn’t going anywhere.

  54. spoiler says:

    misfit: Gagner is far from a perfect player, but he was a good one, and with plenty of development still ahead of him. He’s a better player than his trade value (clearly), which is why I didn’t want to see him go this offseason.

    He got traded for a player with a higher PPG, more speed, reach and stability, more experience playing the wing, and a better Corsi number. How was he a better player than his trade value? Sure he offers offensive intelligence and playmaking ability but those do come with warts.

  55. misfit says:

    I think the Gleason thing was more a result of the Polak addition than Phaneuf. That said, I never expected them to move Phaneuf in the first place.

  56. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: Because he played vs the top opposition with Greene for the last two years.Zidlicky has more 5v5 TOI, but he wasn’t in the tough minute pairing. That was Greene and Fayne and has been for two years

    I take QualComps with a grain of salt–they’re not wholly trustworthy–and rely on TOI to inform the number. I don’t think it is clear that he is a minute-munching top pairing Dman, but he looks like he could be a top opp sacrificial lamb and survive, kind of like Gordon.

  57. Protagonist says:

    @EdmontonOilers
    #Oilers have agreed to a three-year contract extension with @OKCBarons Head Coach Todd Nelson (@Barons_Coach). pic.twitter.com/apPsU0dvY7

    I can’t see this as being anything but good. Nelson and Laxdal are two bright lights in our coaching system, a system that can be equally as important as the player development system. I’d like to see Laxdal elevated as an assistant to the NHL, learn from Eakins and Ramsay. That puts Hamilton in charge of the Oil Kings and keeps Nelson waiting as the future head coach if Eakins should falter further. I quite like where the Oilers sit with respect to coaches … if they can add another good assistant.

  58. spoiler says:

    @TSNBobMcKenzie: RT @EdmontonOilers:

    #Oilers have agreed to a three-year contract extension with @OKCBarons Head Coach Todd Nelson

  59. spoiler says:

    Protagonist: I can’t see this as being anything but good.

    Yep, that’s great news. He might have an out-clause though, for NHL head coaching opportunities.

  60. spoiler says:

    Jovo-cop cleared waivers. Whew. I was mildly anxious about us claiming him.

  61. Protagonist says:

    spoiler: Yep, that’s great news.He might have an out-clause though, for NHL head coaching opportunities.

    I can’t fault the man for that. The Oilers gave him his first head coaching position, but eventually you have to make decisions based on you and not what the team that employs you wants. A former coworker of mine once told me that you never apologize for putting your career ahead of your current employer and I still think those are wise words.

    Not only that, but I’d rather be generating coaches that other organizations want to poach then looking elsewhere. Plus we’ve got two other good options waiting in the wings as it were, so even if he pulls the chute we’ve got replacements.

    If all else fails Bucky could always coach again. ;)

  62. G Money says:

    spoiler:
    @TSNBobMcKenzie: RT @EdmontonOilers:

    #Oilers have agreed to a three-year contract extension with @OKCBarons Head Coach Todd Nelson

    This strikes me as really really good news.

    It’s also inconsistent with the ‘Chicken Little’ narrative that Eakins’ hiring and subsequent assistant coaching moves meant certain departure for Nelson.

  63. LMHF#1 says:

    spoiler:
    @TSNBobMcKenzie: RT @EdmontonOilers:

    #Oilers have agreed to a three-year contract extension with @OKCBarons Head Coach Todd Nelson

    They give him a whack of money or what? You wouldn’t think hanging out in OKC would be plan A unless he’s getting near-NHL dollars.

    For the record I’m okay with that.

  64. Jon K says:

    G Money: This strikes me as really really good news.

    It’s also inconsistent with the ‘Chicken Little’ narrative that Eakins’ hiring and subsequent assistant coaching moves meant certain departure for Nelson.

    We should wait and see if there are any clauses allowing him to leave for NHL employment before we conclude that he’s sticking around for the full 3 years.

    Otherwise, a great sign and a boon for Klefbom and possibly Nurse.

  65. hags9k says:

    Sam gets off the merry-go-round and barfs his guts out. Leon steps on… This team is a cruel nightmare.

    http://youtu.be/Nt4JXKUv5MQ

  66. spoiler says:

    ICYMI, Johansen has been QO’ed, so IIRC, unless he rejects the QO he can’t be OSed. DIHTR?

  67. John Chambers says:

    Woodguy,

    You floated the offer to Chiarelli? What’s he like? Seems like he’d be sharp as a tack and a savage negotiator. If Chiarelli was asking for a D in particular, let’s say Gernat, I’d be wary because I’m sure there’s something their scouts see … a la Reilly.

    I keed I keed, but in all fairness I think I’d be willing to do something a bit more desperate – like Musil and a 2nd. It sounds steep, but in reality we’ve been out of the playoffs for too too long to go into the season without a real deal veteran D. If it costs a higher pick than so be it. Split the difference and offer them Ottawa’s 3rd from the Hemmer deal.

    You convinced me re: Fayne. I think the Oilers will be in a position to play 5 guys 20:00 / night, a forward on the top pp unit, and Ference around 17 mins. No monster minutes for anyone, but no Potters, Whitneys, or N Schultz’s either.

    We have iced some awful awful defensemen over this re-build.

  68. John Chambers says:

    Bohologo,

    Nyet. Something fell apart on that machine and it will not recover. I don’t watch Devlis games so I couldn’t tell you, but a Volchenkov acquisition would be the stuff of Tambellini legend.

  69. G Money says:

    Jon K: We should wait and see if there are any clauses allowing him to leave for NHL employment before we conclude that he’s sticking around for the full 3 years.

    That’s fair, but I think any experienced AHL coach with hopes of making the jump would put that clause into that contract, whether 1 or 3 or 5 years. The fact that he signed on for a renewal, and a 3-year one at that, is the pleasant surprise here.

  70. icecastles says:

    spoiler: ICYMI, Johansen has been QO’ed, so IIRC, unless he rejects the QO he can’t be OSed. DIHTR?

    OMG PDO WTF MP3

  71. Marcus Oilerius says:

    I’d really have liked to give Gagner a year at wing, but the impending NMC was probably too much of a risk. For all his good character traits, Gagner seems to really have overvalued his offensive contributions and underestimated what a defensive liability he was. Last year under Krueger he was doing his best Kovalchuk impression. This year the jaw injury and rushing him into a bad situation when the season was already lost was another unfortunate blow.

    I really don’t know of a player who has had a worse go of it from his team, while the team ostensibly did its best to favor him. It speaks volumes about the incredible ineptitude of the organization during the years he was here.

    That he’s being replaced with *another* freshly drafted teenager is quite possibly the most Because Oilers thing I’ve ever seen.

  72. G Money says:

    John Chambers: I don’t understand why people think Fayne is capable of top-pairing minutes. He averaged just over 18 mins last year, and has about as much pro experience as Jeff Petry.

    John Chambers: You convinced me re: Fayne. I think the Oilers will be in a position to play 5 guys 20:00 / night, a forward on the top pp unit, and Ference around 17 mins. No monster minutes for anyone, but no Potters, Whitneys, or N Schultz’s either.

    I was going to post on this, but you beat me to the punch in replying to yourself!

    In an ideal world, the Oilers would get a top pairing D by trade or by UFA. Both are extremely unlikely.

    So the alternative would be to run a group of 4 defenders, each a legit NHL Top 4 D, and then a third pairing with a little less time (say, 21, 21, 18). The committee approach like Carolina used during the Stanley Cup Loss That Cannot be Mentioned.

    Fayne is not a top pairing D, but is a legit Top 4 D. So is Quincey. Adding one of them would at least let the Oilers field a competent Top 4 D crew (if you consider Jultz a competent Top 4 D!), and with Nikitin and Ference in the last pairing, have the side benefit of giving Nurse and Klefbom more development time.

    Of necessity, I’m guessing that’s MacT’s strategy.

  73. G Money says:

    spoiler:
    ICYMI, Johansen has been QO’ed, so IIRC, unless he rejects the QO he can’t be OSed.DIHTR?

    Efficient! Yes, I believe you have that right.

    Oops, I mean IBYHTR.

  74. Jon K says:

    Here’s a really interesting article about Purcell:

    http://boltstatistics.com/2013/09/01/whose-top-line-is-it-anyway/

    It seems that he’s a complementary player who thrives when playing against soft or middling opposition. While he isn’t an absolute anchor playing against top players (like the ones MSL and Stamkos might face), it seems it also isn’t the most efficient use of his skills.

    Foreshadowing a possible soft opposition scoring line next season?

    Perron-Draisaitl/Grabovski-Purcell.

    Another article suggests that fluctuations in his shooting percentage have played a huge role in him obtaining his current contract, and the subsequent perception by fans that he’s since been mailing it in:

    http://puckologyblog.wordpress.com/2014/03/22/teddy-purcell-shooting-and-perception-or-things-arent-always-what-you-think-they-are/

    Long story short, he had an unsustainable shooting percentage in 2011-2012, something close to his career average in 2012-2013, and a poor percentage in 2013-2014, now culminating in his trade. A brief review of his PDO and underlying stats at behindthenet and hockeyanalysis seems to confirm this.

    By eye, it may seem that the trade was a draw or minor loss for the Oilers. By the numbers, it seems that Edmonton may have got the superior winger right now.

  75. speeds says:

    If EDM were to strike out on a top 2 C in UFA, what would everyone’s thoughts be on an offer sheet to Johansen?

    We’ll see when the compensation chart comes out later today, would probably take 8M AAV and 2-1sts, 1-2nd and 1-3rd to get CLB to even contemplate walking away, and EDM would need to reacquire their 3rd from ANA to do that.

  76. G Money says:

    Jon K: Long story short, he had an unsustainable shooting percentage in 2011-2012, something close to his career average in 2012-2013, and a poor percentage in 2013-2014, now culminating in his trade. A brief review of his PDO and underlying stats at behindthenet and hockeyanalysis seems to confirm this.
    By eye, it may seem that the trade was a draw or minor loss for the Oilers. By the numbers, it seems that Edmonton may have got the superior winger right now.

    I posted that exact analysis and conclusion on the thread yesterday.

    As I said then – we always knew that a Gagner trade involved selling low.

    The Purcell trade is a case of buying low, which makes it (notwithstanding the ravings of godot10, our very own Baghdad Bob) as good a return as you could rationally expect.

    I also think assumptions that Gagner is the better player in the deal are premature. He may turn out to be. Or this could be a big win for the Oilers if Purcell returns to 10%+ sh% and 50+ points, and Gagner never figures out his defensive coverage…

  77. Kris11 says:

    IMO, Columbus would match that Speeds and deal other stuff to save money. They’d be pissed, but they’d have to do it.

    If Edm makes that deal, they need to contemplate whether Draisatl, RNH, and Johansen all fit in a well-structured cap team long term. Obviously doable, but it is complicated.

    So it won’t happen and probably shouldn’t unless Edm is ready to be more complex than they have been and unless CBJ is more financially weak than I suspect.. Jusy my opinion.

  78. spoiler says:

    speeds: If EDM were to strike out on a top 2 C in UFA, what would everyone’s thoughts be on an offer sheet to Johansen?

    I have no thoughts until he rejects his qualifying offer. Then , yes, a conversation with his agent needs to happen. Question is, does he see himself as a 1C or 2C?

  79. John Chambers says:

    G Money,

    Yep. It’s not like having a Doughty, Chara or a Weber, but it’s a more realistic strategy with greater resiliency, lower risk, and less cost.

    Problem for us is that our LD depth chart is miles long, and our RD chart has two guys on it. I realize some of our LD’s can play both sides, but making that cross-ice pass to someone’s forehand is far more preferable.

    As a LD defenseman myself I tell whatever d partner I play with that I don’t mind playing either side, but I much prefer the port.

  80. spoiler says:

    G Money: I posted that exact analysis and conclusion on the thread yesterday.As I said then – we always knew that a Gagner trade involved selling low.The Purcell trade is a case of buying low, which makes it (notwithstanding the ravings of godot10, our very own Baghdad Bob) as good a return as you could rationally expect.I also think assumptions that Gagner is the better player in the deal are premature. He may turn out to be. Or this could be a big win for the Oilers if Purcell returns to 10%+ sh% and 50+ points, and Gagner never figures out his defensive coverage…

    I think what is throwing people off on the return is Arizona’s payment of a 6th to keep Gagner from going to FA, kind of like we did with Nikitin. Obviously if we had been dealing directly with the Yotes, it wouldn’t have been a 6th coming back.

  81. John Chambers says:

    speeds,

    I think offer sheets are the most far-fetched scenario in the realm of armchair GM’ing. They’re as exciting as a triple is in baseball, what with all the poo flinging that goes with them, but they don’t work anywhere aside from Derek Zona’s head.

  82. John Chambers says:

    speeds,

    Maybe a better question is do you approach Columbus with an offer of Draisaitl + for him?

  83. godot10 says:

    bsmart:
    So what is the reason Buffalo would be buying out Ehroff and not trading him? He would have a number of suitors, no?

    The buyout costs $12 million spread out over in payment over the next decade plus. The likely cap recapture penalty would be about $10 million and cap recapture hit would hit just as the Sabres hope to become competitive. Ehrhoff is not going to play for 3 years for $1 million per season (when he can retire and go earn more in Europe) The recapture penalties were a near certainty.

    Better to take all the pain now heading into the McDavid draft.

  84. spoiler says:

    Has anyone listened to that Gunnarson TSN Radio interview where he questions the leadership of Doggone Dion? Can’t find a transcript anywhere yet.

  85. Ducey says:

    speeds: If EDM were to strike out on a top 2 C in UFA, what would everyone’s thoughts be on an offer sheet to Johansen?We’ll see when the compensation chart comes out later today, would probably take 8M AAV and 2-1sts, 1-2nd and 1-3rd to get CLB to even contemplate walking away, and EDM would need to reacquire their 3rd from ANA to do that.

    Not a good idea.

    a) EDM is a long way from leaving the wilderness. They have needs at multiple positions that those picks can help fill – directly or by trade
    b) those could be two top 10 first rounders – maybe even top 5. This leaves a big hole in two drafts – including a very strong one next year
    c) Johansen has had one good year and has lots of questions surrounding effort/ attitude – CLB has often been pissed at him – that’s the reason they only want to give him a bridge contract
    d) That’s a big salary – and therefore an awfully big gamble – what if Johansen needs the mandatory Oilers shoulder surgery and is out a year?

  86. speeds says:

    spoiler,

    Why does it matter if he’s rejected his QO?

  87. icecastles says:

    Has there been any verbal from Oilers management indicating that Dry Saddle will start with the Oilers, or is it pure speculation at this point?

    Or to put it in Spoiler-ese…

    HTBAVFOMITDWSWTO, OIIPSATP?

  88. spoiler says:

    speeds: spoiler, Why does it matter if he’s rejected his QO?

    Does he not have to do so to be offer sheeted? I asked the question above as I was unsure, and G Money agreed.

  89. Gerta Rauss says:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=456076

    Josh Gorges appears to be on the way out in Montreal

  90. speeds says:

    spoiler,

    I haven’t noticed that in the CBA (could have missed it), but I’m not sure why he would have to. A QO is just an offer.

    RFA’s are free agents, and can talk to and sign with whoever they want. QO’s allow teams to receive compensation if someone else signs them.

  91. G Money says:

    John Chambers: As a LD defenseman myself I tell whatever d partner I play with that I don’t mind playing either side, but I much prefer the port.

    I assume that would put Fayne (who I believe is RD) over Quincey (who I believe is LD) on MacT’s list.

  92. speeds says:

    FWIW, I would be pretty hesitant to sign an offer sheet involving the first were I the Oilers, I am not necessarily endorsing it, but just wondering if EDM might look at it, depending on how much they want to get better this summer.

    Would certainly give EDM size up the middle, between Johansen and Draisaitl over the next couple years, if that’s something that particularly interests them, along with RNH as another C.

  93. G Money says:

    speeds,

    I thought a QO created other restrictions (including the inability to OS)?

    Perhaps I’m confusing it with arbitration (which I’m quite sure precludes the ability to OS).

  94. Jon K says:

    G Money,

    Sorry, must have missed it in the giant comments thread, didn’t mean to steal your thunder.

    Gorges might be an interesting acquisition, though he’s apparently only willing to waive his NTC for one or two Canadian teams. Being from Kelowna and having rejected Toronto already, it seems likely those teams are Vancouver or Calgary.

    Fancy stats show that he’s been playing the top opposition for Montreal the last three seasons with fairly extreme own zone starts. Despite those circumstances he’s consistently in the middle of the pack in terms of corsi on for Montreal’s defense.

  95. judgedrude says:

    One play that I have etched into my mind is the no-look pass, under pressure, from the boards with time winding down to get Cogs his third straight overtime winner. Cogs is in the record books, but it wouldn’t have happened without that pass.

  96. spoiler says:

    “We’re not even close,” Johansen told The Dispatch. “They say ‘We want to sign you to a ‘bridge’ deal.’ We say ‘We don’t want to do a ‘bridge,’ and that’s the end of it.”

    “I’ve earned more than a two- or three-year deal with my play,” Johansen said. “It seems a little disrespectful, to be honest. … I want to play in Columbus, and I want to be a Blue Jacket, but I want to get this done. It seems like a slap in the face.”

    Puck Daddy also mentions that agent “Kurt Overhardt is banging the offer sheet drum”.

    I don’t know. I’m pretty leery about giving up any picks from next year’s draft. Not a draft to skip.

    Wikipedia confirms Speeds’ thoughts… QO’ed RFAs can still be OSed. Lol.

  97. speeds says:

    G Money,

    Arbitration used to preclude OS in certain circumstances, that was changed in the new CBA such that everyone now has at least a small window to receive an OS. Even if the team takes a player to arb in a situation where they would have been blocked from offer sheets before.

    IIRC O’Reilly, in the old CBA in this situation, would have been ineligible for an OS. However, in this CBA, he can receive an offer sheet until July 5.

  98. Gerta Rauss says:

    judgedrude:
    One play that I have etched into my mind is the no-look pass, under pressure,from the boards with time winding down to get Cogs his third straight overtime winner.Cogs is in the record books, but it wouldn’t have happened without that pass.

    That’ the only Oilers goal since 2006 that got me out of my seat-brother in law and I were high fiving each other when Cogs scored that

    That’s kind of depressing when you think about it

  99. Lois Lowe says:

    Don Cherry thinks the Leafs should have picked Nick Ritchie.

  100. spoiler says:

    Lois Lowe: Don Cherry thinks the Leafs should have picked Nick Ritchie.

    I think they should have too, but for completely the opposite reason.

  101. godot10 says:

    G Money:
    speeds,

    I thought a QO created other restrictions (including the inability to OS)?

    Perhaps I’m confusing it with arbitration (which I’m quite sure precludes the ability to OS).

    New CBA means that if a team takes a player to arbitration, the player can still pursue offer sheets, unlike the old CBA. I’m not sure if the player opts for arbitration.

  102. Gerta Rauss says:

    spoiler:
    “We’re not even close,” Johansen told The Dispatch. “They say ‘We want to sign you to a ‘bridge’ deal.’ We say ‘We don’t want to do a ‘bridge,’ and that’s the end of it.”


    “I’ve earned more than a two- or three-year deal with my play,” Johansen said. “It seems a little disrespectful, to be honest. … I want to play in Columbus, and I want to be a Blue Jacket, but I want to get this done. It seems like a slap in the face.”

    Puck Daddy also mentions that agent “Kurt Overhardt is banging the offer sheet drum”.

    I don’t know. I’m pretty leery about giving up any picks from next year’s draft.Not a draft to skip.

    Wikipedia confirms Speeds’ thoughts… QO’ed RFAs can still be OSed.Lol.

    That quote does not indicate a healthy relationship-I know it’s just business but still…

    RJ and the Jackets had some bad blood a couple years ago–before he was the 33 goal scoring Ryan Johansen.

    It would be fun to get our 3rd round pick back from Anaheim…you know…just for fun…

  103. spoiler says:

    27 minutes ago
    @TSNRyanRishaug:

    Oilers still interested in Engelland, told there are 9 other teams. Also told they made a strong presentation to Fayne, being considered

  104. striatic says:

    spoiler: Oilers still interested in Engelland,

    uh oh.

    spoiler: told there are 9 other teams.

    phew.

  105. spoiler says:

    Gerta Rauss: RJ and the Jackets had some bad blood a couple years ago–before he was the 33 goal scoring Ryan Johansen.

    I believe they also wanted him to stay and train this summer in Columbus with other teammates and he declined.

  106. Pouzar says:

    NHL on TSN ‏@NHLonTSN 6m
    Trade Details: Canadiens acquire P.A. Parenteau and a 5th round pick in 2015 from Colorado, for Daniel Briere. #TSN #NHL #FAF

  107. G Money says:

    speeds: that was changed in the new CBA such that everyone now has at least a small window to receive an OS. Even if the team takes a player to arb in a situation where they would have been blocked from offer sheets before.

    godot10: New CBA means that if a team takes a player to arbitration, the player can still pursue offer sheets, unlike the old CBA. I’m not sure if the player opts for arbitration.

    Good to know.

    Although the funny thing is that the compensation for OSs is so onerous that they will still remain extremely rare and big news when they happen, so it’s kind of funny how often we get people declaring that we should OS this guy or that.

  108. gcw_rocks says:

    Unless the Oilers sign Grabo and Kulimen/Moss, I don’t see much in the way of a tough minutes line.

    Perron – Leon/FA – Purcell is not a tough minutes line. Neither Perron or Purcell have history of playing well against tough comps. They need middling to weak competition.

    A third line that features yakupov likely isn’t playing tough minutes, unless he is playing with tough comp rock stars.

    That leaves the first and fourth lines. I worry about playing tough comps every night wears down RNH again. A line of Hendricks – Gordon – whomever can likely take some tough zone starts, but will they play enough minutes to spell the top line enough, but leave enough EV minutes for the second and third lines? Not likely.

    Waiting on free agency to play out, but this team likely gets killed on possession again, even if there is some improvement.

  109. spoiler says:

    Pouzar: NHL on TSN ‏@NHLonTSN 6m
    Trade Details: Canadiens acquire P.A. Parenteau and a 5th round pick in 2015 from Colorado, for Daniel Briere. #TSN #NHL #FAF

    That makes it sound to me like they have given up on re-signing Stastny.

  110. gcw_rocks says:

    Pouzar,

    Bizarre trade from a Colorado perspective.

  111. G Money says:

    Pouzar:
    NHL on TSN ‏@NHLonTSN6m
    Trade Details: Canadiens acquire P.A. Parenteau and a 5th round pick in 2015 from Colorado, for Daniel Briere. #TSN #NHL #FAF

    Interesting.

    My recollection is that COL has a ton of C, but is quite weak on the wing. Parenteau’s I think the only real quality near-elite winger they have (correct me if I’m wrong).

    Must be freeing up cap to try and get both ROR and Stastny signed.

    Maybe they plan to play nine Cs as their top 9 F!

  112. striatic says:

    G Money,

    Most offer sheet suggestions are ridiculous, but I do think Edmonton should be looking to trade for RFAs who are in position to be offer sheeted.

    The potential of the offer sheet adds some additional pressure that can help move a trade forward, and right now pending RFAs slot slide well into the Oilers’ youth core.

  113. speeds says:

    godot10,

    player deadline to opt for arb is July 5, so players can look for an offer sheet for a few days, see what’s out there, and if nothing to their liking is available opt for arb.

  114. Lois Lowe says:

    gcw_rocks,

    They haven’t liked Parenteau since about December of last season. They just wanted someone else.

  115. Marcus Oilerius says:

    spoiler,

    Sounds like he has a crappy attitude. 3 seasons in the NHL and he only accomplished anything of note in this latest one. That’s not the kind of player you give a long, fat contract to. Particularly not when he starts demanding it.

    I’d certainly not want to throw an offer sheet with the 2015 draft coming. With the improved lottery odds, the Oilers have a decent chance at McDavid or Eichel.

  116. Gerta Rauss says:

    gcw_rocks: A line of Hendricks – Gordon – whomever can likely take some tough zone starts, but will they play enough minutes to spell the top line enough, but leave enough EV minutes for the second and third lines?

    Other than the 2C(and another NHL D), that position is the biggest add imo

    A lot of folks are just pencilling in Gazdic or Arco to play with Gordon and Hendricks, but we need an actual NHL player in that role…no more kids, no more projects, an actual NHL player. Doesn’t have to be a big ticket item, just a player that can hold his own with that line.

  117. OilClog says:

    This is the offseason the eggs all break at once… It’s fantastic.

    I’m now drinking the kool aid.. Anything is possible!! Runs to youtube watches Garnett to reaffirm.. Yes anything is possible!

    I believe MacT is going to Land a very good #2 c. Dry Saddle Burn playing with Yak on a sheltered third.

    Iginla, Boyle, Fayne, and Moss are all coming in…

    I’m crazy

  118. spoiler says:

    TSN should have scheduled a tradecentre show today, akin to their deadline day dealio.

  119. OilClog says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    spoiler,

    Sounds like he has a crappy attitude.3 seasons in the NHL and he only accomplished anything of note in this latest one.That’s not the kind of player you give a long, fat contract to.Particularly not when he starts demanding it.

    I’d certainly not want to throw an offer sheet with the 2015 draft coming.With the improved lottery odds, the Oilers have a decent chance at McDavid or Eichel.

    Sounds like you Mayhaps need to drop drinking the hater aid.

    Subban didn’t want a bridge contract either.. That selfish prick.

    He’s willing to give up UFA years.. Selfish prick!

    Also, MacT as a man, player, coach, GM.. Will not have the Oilers anywhere near the McDavid pick.. Or he’ll probably step down. He’s not one that’s ever just sat on failure.

  120. G Money says:

    striatic,

    Fair comment.

    That together with the number of cap teams in trouble makes this one of the more interesting FA silly seasons in recent memory.

  121. Big Dan says:

    LT, it’s not Engelland vs. Quincey. It is Engelland vs. Gazdic. If they sign hometown boomer Engelland, they won’t qualify Gazdic. Engelland can ride shotgun as a F or D; either way he is an extra that won’t play much. The interest in Engelland (and failure to offer Horak a one-way deal)makes me think the Oilers are leaning towards going with 7 defensemen.

    So back to Quincey. It is more a decision of Quincey vs. Klefbom. I’d rather have Klefbom develop for another year in the AHL and get called up in case of injuries. Just like I’m glad the addition of Nikitin keeps Nurse in junior.

    Also, isn’t Nikitin a LD? It seems to me Marincin becomes the #7D (after 3 quality veterans in Quincey, Nikitin, and Clancy winner Ference). That is not a bad thing because I anticipate MacT’s plan to be three scoring lines + Gordon & Hendricks (who’ll still get ample ice time) + 7 defensemen. Lander or Arcobello slot in when there’s an injury. Engelland only draws in when the need for an enforcer is needed.

    The Barons’ entire D are all left-shooting = strange (Musil, Gernat, Davidson, Simpson, Oesterle, Klefbom, Hunt). Who gets called up? That is why I like the interest in Matt Fayne. Good to have depth on that side.

    It is a bummer that easy-solution guys like Stralman and Ehrhoff will never sign here. Ehrhoff is rumored to go to either Detroit or Tampa Bay. But I like MacT’s ability to realize that just means he has to work a little harder and target the next level. He will use the one piece of leverage he has, short-term cap space.

    I also loved the Purcell deal – and look forward to seeing if he can add a 2C and 3W tomorrow.
    ….

    I also think Joensuu is told he didn’t cut the roster at camp, and he buggers off to Europe never to be seen again. He said last summer that he had no intentions of playing in the AHL.

    I’d be shocked to see either Joensuu or Gazdic on the opening day roster.

  122. spoiler says:

    So 30% of the league wants to sign Engelland… That’s somewhat baffling, even though enforcers that can actually play a little bit of hockey are rare. I need some reassurance though that Gazdic will be sent away, if we do manage to sign Engelland.

    And what the hell kind of cap number or term is he going to get with 10 teams interested? Be afraid, be very afraid.

  123. icecastles says:

    Has there been any verbal from Oilers management indicating that Dry Saddle will start with the Oilers, or is it pure speculation at this point?

  124. Marcus Oilerius says:

    OilClog,

    I wouldn’t have given Subban a big contract either. This has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with risk management.

    FYI, all non-playoff teams now have a chance at the first overall. You’re severely overestimating MacT and the Oilers if you believe we are going to be a playoff team. Despite the improved record over the last 20 games, the Oilers were actually as bad as they were at the start of the season – outshot by about 10 shots per game. Only goaltending improved. If we are 10th in the West, we should count ourselves lucky.

  125. Gerta Rauss says:

    icecastles:
    Has there been any verbal from Oilers management indicating that Dry Saddle will start with the Oilers, or is it pure speculation at this point?

    MacT gave the standard “he’ll have a chance at training camp” speech, but c’mon, you can bet your last nickel he’ll get his 9 games, and in all likelyhood he plays in EDM this season

  126. spoiler says:

    8 minutes ago

    @DarrenDreger: The Flames were aggressive pre-draft. Offered to take on Mike Ribeiro for 12th pick (Ribeiro wouldn’t waive). Ultimately, he was bought out

    What a wacky NHL we live in.

  127. icecastles says:

    Gerta Rauss: MacT gave the standard “he’ll have a chance at training camp” speech, but c’mon, you can bet your last nickel he’ll get his 9 games, and in all likelyhood he plays in EDM this season

    I recall a lot of people saying this about Eberle. And Klefbom. And Nurse. But yes, let’s all look at the guy from 2007 and ignore everything that’s happened since.

    Not saying he won’t play in the NHL this season. But this notion that every high pick the Oilers draft is automatically on the big club is a myth that needs to die.

    Edit: This is why I hate the whole “because Oilers” meme. It becomes a poor heuristic for assessing Oilers decisions and practices that is based more on ill-remembered bad examples and assumes that all examples past and present must also be bad. “Because Oilers” says “I don’t really want to look at it objectively or in detail; I’d rather be petulant.”

  128. bsmart says:

    godot10,

    Another good summary, thanks :)

  129. spoiler says:

    Does it seem discomfitting that with all the rumours we are hearing about pursuing UFAs Engelland and Fayne and maybe Quincey that we are hearing nothing about guys like Winnik or Moss? Is the plan to play Engelland as a top 12 forward?

  130. Ducey says:

    spoiler: 8 minutes ago@DarrenDreger: The Flames were aggressive pre-draft. Offered to take on Mike Ribeiro for 12th pick (Ribeiro wouldn’t waive). Ultimately, he was bought outWhat a wacky NHL we live in.

    Burkie was looking extra ragged at the draft. Maybe he is realizing that the job in Alberta is much tougher when 4/5 of the top UFA’s/ players with NTC don’t want to come be truculent for your team.

  131. bsmart says:

    icecastles,

    I think he is more NHL ready than Gagner was in 2007. He playes a thinking game and uses his big body. I think he could play and post 10-20-30pts as areasonable number.

    He looked very strong on the puck at the world championships against men which is darn good .

  132. boopronger says:

    As much as it sucks to say it, fans still need to be patient. Rebuilds take 5 years plus, and this one started in 2010.

  133. icecastles says:

    bsmart:
    icecastles,

    I think he is more NHL ready than Gagner was in 2007. He playes a thinking game and uses his big body. I think he could play and post 10-20-30pts as areasonable number.

    He looked very strong on the puckat the world championships against men which isdarn good .

    I would agree with this.

    I’m not saying he shouldn’t play with the Oilers this year – I don’t know nearly enough about him and haven’t seen him play. I’m just saying that the notion that he will automatically play on the team by virtue of his draft position or “because Oilers” is mistaken. I believe if he plays with the big club, it will be because the coach and GM have decided he is ready and will have reason to do so.

    The scarier question is if he’s not really NHL-ready but is still the best centre option available, and gets thrown in over his head. A solid FA signing at centre would be the best thing for Draisitl this year I think.

  134. Pouzar says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Pouzar,

    Bizarre trade from a Colorado perspective.

    Agreed. He is not like in COL for some reason.

  135. G Money says:

    icecastles,

    Well, in fairness, I would count Marincin and Klefbom as recent examples as well. Both should have been left to marinate further on the farm in my opinion.

    The issue for a shitty team like the Oilers is the lack of depth makes it easy for young players to be better than the dross that’s available at the time, and so “earn” themselves a spot on the roster.

    That is the fear with Draisaitl – he should stay in Jr another year, but as it stands now, he is our best 2C option in the NHL.

    It’s a real thing.

  136. G Money says:

    icecastles: I believe if he plays with the big club, it will be because the coach and GM have decided he is ready and will have reason to do so.
    The scarier question is if he’s not really NHL-ready but is still the best centre option available, and gets thrown in over his head. A solid FA signing at centre would be the best thing for Draisitl this year I think.

    Exactly. The issue here is when ‘no depth’ gets mistaken for ‘ready for the NHL’.

    bsmart: I think he is more NHL ready than Gagner was in 2007. He playes a thinking game and uses his big body. I think he could play and post 10-20-30pts as areasonable number.

    Gagner put up 49 pts as a rookie. Why is a 10-30 pt rookie Draisaitl more NHL-ready than a 49 pt rookie Gagner?

  137. Pouzar says:

    icecastles: I recall a lot of people saying this about Eberle. And Klefbom. And Nurse. But yes, let’s all look at the guy from 2007 and ignore everything that’s happened since.

    Not saying he won’t play in the NHL this season. But this notion that every high pick the Oilers draft is automatically on the big club is a myth that needs to die.

    Edit: This is why I hate the whole “because Oilers” meme. It becomes a poor heuristic for assessing Oilers decisions and practices that is based more on ill-remembered bad examples and assumes that all examples past and present must also be bad. “Because Oilers” says “I don’t really want to look at it objectively or in detail; I’d rather be petulant.”

    Any reason LD can’t be the soft minutes Oiler version of Monahan? Just thinking out loud.

  138. icecastles says:

    G Money:
    icecastles,

    Well, in fairness, I would count Marincin and Klefbom as recent examples as well.Both should have been left to marinate further on the farm in my opinion.

    Perhaps. And I think the Oilers had planned to leave them down, but they played so damn well… it’s hard to send your best defensemen down…

    Still, Marincin’s 22. There’s an argument to keep Klefbom down, but I think Marincin has been proven to be ready in every way.

    G Money: Gagner put up 49 pts as a rookie. Why is a 10-30 pt rookie Draisaitl more NHL-ready than a 49 pt rookie Gagner?

    I don’t know if he is or not. Like I said, I don’t know the player well at all. Rom would be better able to field that. But if a player is more ready, I’d say physical strength/maturity and defensive/positional awareness are the big ones.

    I think Sam became ingrained playing as a “small guy” because that’s what he was for his first few years in the league and the habits became cemented. He’s 202 lbs and everyone’s convinced he’s tiny because he plays as though he is tiny. The issue for a shitty team like the Oilers is the lack of depth makes it easy for young players to be better than the dross that’s available at the time, and so “earn” themselves a spot on the roster.

  139. Gerta Rauss says:

    icecastles,

    I think you’ve got you elbows up high with your response to my post.

    MacT did give the standard “training camp” response when questioned, and I think Draisaitl will get his 9 games.

    He is close to being ready for NHL duty, but I’d be fine if they sent him back to junior(assuming they find some NHL centers) The Oilers recent high draft picks suggest a high lottery pick starts with the NHL club-Hall, Nuge, Yak, granted, Hall and Nuge were probably the right decision, Yak…maybe, that’s debatable.

    And for the record, I have never used the “because Oilers” meme, not once. I think you’re projecting some frustration with this onto my post, and it’s not something I said(or meant to say)

  140. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Pouzar,

    Monahan should have stayed down. He started hot, faded into nothing, then had a good finish. The Flames basically burned an ELC year to learn that their centre prospect gets worn down and beat up over the course of a season, and doesn’t defend very well. Despite his height he doesn’t have a lot of weight on him, which is a good indicator that hr has a lot of growing left. Sort of like if the Islanders were to rush Fal Colle this year.

  141. G Money says:

    icecastles: but they played so damn well… it’s hard to send your best defensemen down…
    Still, Marincin’s 22. There’s an argument to keep Klefbom down, but I think Marincin has been proven to be ready in every way.

    Ha ha, yeah they did, but really in the sense of ‘they played better than most of the Oilers existing D not named Petry”, which doesn’t say nearly as much as you’d hope it would.

    My main concern with Marincin is his weight, he’s still a bit of a beanpole at 6’5″ and under 200 lbs. My concern (probably overblown) is injury, leaving him in the A gives him time to put on more size in a lower league.

    But yeah, he was arguably our #2 D by play quality, tough to farm that out. Let’s hope his sturdy play was not a small sample size window.

    For the record, I think both Nurse and LDrai *should* get their nine NHL games (if they play well enough out of TC), but then regardless spend another year marinating and picking up the finer points of the game.

  142. Pouzar says:

    bsmart:
    icecastles,

    I think he is more NHL ready than Gagner was in 2007. He playes a thinking game and uses his big body. I think he could play and post 10-20-30pts as areasonable number.

    He looked very strong on the puckat the world championships against men which isdarn good .

    Check out Leon in the 5-4 loss to the U.S.
    3 pts. The kid is a beauty.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QozXmuWLDkA

  143. OilClog says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    OilClog,

    I wouldn’t have given Subban a big contract either.This has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with risk management.

    FYI, all non-playoff teams now have a chance at the first overall.You’re severely overestimating MacT and the Oilers if you believe we are going to be a playoff team.Despite the improved record over the last 20 games, the Oilers were actually as bad as they were at the start of the season – outshot by about 10 shots per game.Only goaltending improved.If we are 10th in the West, we should count ourselves lucky.

    I call Shenanigans.

    1. Montreal is trying to offload Gorges to sign Subban.. Hmmm sure sounds like this bridge contract has punched them in the face. Subban won’t be taking any discount whatsoever now.. You know.. Having a Norris now and all.

    2. Did you believe any of the teams outside the top 5 really had a chance at #1. Hahahaha shenanigans.

    3. Last year was a disaster, can’t deny it. It was last year however, this team is already better, clean slate, better coaching, better players, more comfortable with eachother. They won’t be tolling the bottom with all the teams that WILL be trying to gracefully tank.

  144. Logan91 says:

    G Money:
    icecastles,

    That is the fear with Draisaitl – he should stay in Jr another year, but as it stands now, he is our best 2C option in the NHL.

    It’s a real thing.

    https://twitter.com/SportsnetSpec/status/483603257655181312

    According to Spector Edmonton is trying to make a big push for Statsny, which would put Draisaitl at 3C if he stays with the team.

    Also everyone should give up on the Kulemin dreams, he’ll sign in Pittsburgh for 3 years to play on a line with his bud Malkin.

  145. G Money says:

    Marcus Oilerius: Monahan should have stayed down. He started hot, faded into nothing, then had a good finish.

    He was also terrible defensively, and his offensive numbers were buoyed by an unsustainably high sh% of 15.7% (an elite sniper like Ovechkin is around 13% career) which also makes his year look better than it was.

    I get flashes of Gagner’s first year…

  146. OilClog says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    Pouzar,

    Monahan should have stayed down.He started hot, faded into nothing, then had a good finish.The Flames basically burned an ELC year to learn that their centre prospect gets worn down and beat up over the course of a season, and doesn’t defend very well.Despite his height he doesn’t have a lot of weight on him, which is a good indicator that hr has a lot of growing left.Sort of like if the Islanders were to rush Fal Colle this year.

    Well maybe, but who is Calgary’s Tavares that Monahan played beside… Lol

  147. spoiler says:

    19 minutes ago
    @TSNBobMcKenzie: ANA not qualifying Mathieu Perreault. Ducks have, however, given him contract offer they deem to be substantial. He’s UFA unless he accepts.

  148. Snowman says:

    I don’t even understand why this is a debate. Every hockey mind worth his salt is pretty clear on this. The more time spent developing the better. Nobody’s career was ever cut short or curtailed because they were given too much time to develop. Patience is the key. Teams who are patient are rewarded with Stanleys. Teams who have none are rewarded draft picks. I don’t care if our centers are Nuge, Arco, Lander and Gordon next year. If that means Leon gets another year in PA that sounds fine to me. I’m sick of seeing this same movie over and over again. I know how it ends. It ends with the Anaheim Ducks, the Coyotes, shoulder surgery or the injury reserve, unfulfilled promise in young careers and too high draft picks for too many years.

    If the German gets anything more than a 9 game how do you do it will be a shame.

  149. Pouzar says:

    LWer?

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 1m
    T.J. Galiardi is not being qualified by CGY. He’ll go to UFA.

  150. striatic says:

    I think the idea of Marincin as a top pairing D to start next year is laughable.

    Small sample size and weak basis for comparison is leaving people a little over enamoured of Marincin.

    If no top pairing UFA D is willing to sign here and trading for one is impossible, then the tank is on for another season.

    Marincin/Petry is not a serious top pairing on any NHL team remotely contemplating a top 20 finish – even if Marincin takes a step forward. He’d need a miraculous leap forward for the Oilers to challenge for a playoff spot, let alone secure one.

  151. DBO says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 2m
    NSH trying to deal Michael Del Zotto before 4 ET. If no deal, do they qualify at $2.9M or let him go UFA. Suspect it’s latter but not firm.

    Any interest in Del Zotto? He moves the puck, will be paid $3.5 mill or so and is still young.

    As for the Gagner deal. It is the best we could do. A player with size (he plays “small” ala Penner. So I like him already), two way ability and he kills penalties. He can play 2 or 3 RW/LW. Great pick up. No way we could have gotten better. MacT has cleared the deck, for better or worse, and now a few key pickups and this year has promise.

    As for Leon the Great, I fear him in the NHL this year. But Oilers. So put two two way p;ayers with him (purcell and perron). Kinda what they should done with Yak (can be fixed with Kulemin and Grabbo!!)

  152. G Money says:

    Pouzar,

    Remember that one time at the Summit Series when NHL rookie Sam Gagner had 15 pts in 8 games and was named MVP? On a team that had Doughty, Perron, Marchand, Tavares, Lucic, and Giroux?

    I’m not downplaying LDrai – the fact that he had a decent game against the US (though not a particularly good tournament overall) is mostly a good thing – but it doesn’t change the reality that he probably isn’t any more ready for the NHL than Gagner was, and putting him in the NHL carries the distinct risk that it will have the same effect that it seems to have had on poor departed and derided Sammy.

  153. spoiler says:

    Mark Spector @SportsnetSpec · 40m Looks very much like ex-Leaf D Mark Fraser will not be tendered an offer by EDM, and will go to the UFA market tmw.

  154. OilClog says:

    RNH Hall Ebs.. We still don’t know their ceiling
    Xxx Purcell Perron.. This will look way healthier
    Drais xxx Yak.. This could get fun
    Gordo Hendo Arco.. They will handle the push back

    How does this not already look 10000times better then the last decade nearly.. There’s no way there isn’t improvement.

    XXX Petry
    Nakita Jultz
    Ference XXX
    Maricin

    This isn’t a typo.. This is starting to resemble something worth paying attention especially with the abundance waiting in the minors, and what’s available in the market.. This is improvement.

    Scrivens
    Viktor FastHands

    This is already 5 wins better then last season, ok maybe 4.3.

    With all the teams, Nucks, Flames in our own division looking uglier by the hour.. I just can’t see how this roster of players put together anywhere else other then Edmonto.. Anywhere near a lottery spot.

  155. striatic says:

    DBO: Any interest in Del Zotto? He moves the puck, will be paid $3.5 mill or so and is still young.

    Del Zotto is a very useful player but incredibly sheltered by the Weber/Josi top pairing.

    Edmonton would be the worst possible fit for him right now.

  156. Pouzar says:

    G Money:
    Pouzar,

    Remember that one time at the Summit Series when NHL rookie Sam Gagner had 15 pts in 8 games and was named MVP?On a team that had Doughty, Perron, Marchand, Tavares, Lucic, and Giroux?

    I’m not downplaying LDrai – the fact that he had a decent game against the US (though not a particularly good tournament overall) is mostly a good thing – but it doesn’t change the reality that he probably isn’t any more ready for the NHL than Gagner was, and putting him in the NHL carries the distinct risk that it will have the same effect that it seems to have had on poor departed and derided Sammy.

    Yes sir. I do remember. I was at the Winnipeg game and was so proud. :)

    I am not advocating Gagner or LD were/are ready. Just found the youtube clip and was impressed. I actually would love to see LD go back to P.A.

  157. Gerta Rauss says:

    OilClog,

    I like everything about those forward lines except Arco playing with Jimi and Boyd Gordon. We need a real NHL player in that spot.

    I see Draisaitl with Yak as well…and someone that can play LW. Easy zone starts and sheltered minutes.

    And yes, we’re missing a C to play between Perron and Purcell

  158. OilClog says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    OilClog,

    I like everything about those forward lines except Arco playing with Jimi and Boyd Gordon. We need a real NHL player in that spot.

    I see Draisaitl with Yak as well…and someone that can play LW. Easy zone starts and sheltered minutes.

    And yes, we’re missing a C to play between Perron and Purcell

    I’d love to pencil in Boyle. But I hope it’s Stall/Statsny type up the middle on line 2, with Iginla playing with the kids for the year. I’m a crazy dreamer.

  159. Ryan says:

    icecastles:
    Has there been any verbal from Oilers management indicating that Dry Saddle will start with the Oilers, or is it pure speculation at this point?

    Bob Stauffer said that he thinks dry saddle will play for the Oilers (today) for what it’s worth.

    http://www.jeffhead.com/magruder/53-DrySaddleSign.jpg

  160. Pouzar says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    OilClog,

    I like everything about those forward lines except Arco playing with Jimi and Boyd Gordon. We need a real NHL player in that spot.

    I see Draisaitl with Yak as well…and someone that can play LW. Easy zone starts and sheltered minutes.

    And yes, we’re missing a C to play between Perron and Purcell

    Marcel Goc gets my vote. Corgi demon in the playoffs this year.

  161. soup says:

    When does Phaneuf’s no trade kick in? Tomorrow?

  162. Gerta Rauss says:

    Pouzar,

    Sure, Goc would work. That acquisition doesn’t have to be sexy( or expensive) just an NHL player.

  163. Marcus Oilerius says:

    OilClog,

    Call whatever you want. I freely admit now that the bridge contract bit Montreal in the ass, but I thought it was the right move at the time and I think a bridge for Johansen is the right move now.

    As for the lottery, your opinion veers into conspiracy theory territory and I’m just going to say I strongly disagree.

  164. G Money says:

    DBO: Any interest in Del Zotto? He moves the puck, will be paid $3.5 mill or so and is still young.

    A decent player, but probably best categorized as another Jultz, and we probably don’t want another of those. Unless Jultz is demanding a zillion dollars, then trade his ass for some other asset and get Del Zotto instead.

  165. Pouzar says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Pouzar,

    Sure, Goc would work. That acquisition doesn’t have to be sexy( or expensive) just an NHL player.

    As a solid shutdown centerman he’d be a nice a compliment to the offensively minded Perron/Purcell.

  166. Gerta Rauss says:

    Pouzar,

    Oh…I though you were referring to the RW to play with Gordon and Hendricks..:)

    But yeah, NHL centerman…

  167. Woodguy says:

    spoiler: I take QualComps with a grain of salt–they’re not wholly trustworthy–and rely on TOI to inform the number.I don’t think it is clear that he is a minute-munching top pairing Dman, but he looks like he could be a top opp sacrificial lamb and survive, kind of like Gordon.

    i don’t use qual-com’s exclusively.

    I look at who the player plays with the most. In Fayne’s case:

    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1406&withagainst=true&season=2013-14&sit=5v5

    This past year he played 1135 5v5 TOI.

    889 of those minutes were with Greene.

    By every QC metric, whether its BTN, Extraskater, or asking the NJD blogger who plays tough minutes, the answer is always Greene.

    If Fayne plays the most with Greene, and he does by a wide margin, he’s in the shut down pair.

  168. Rondo says:

    Don Cherry trashed the Oilers today for picking a Russian Yakupov who they cannot get rid of. Then goes on to trash the German Leon saying Oilers are fool for not picking the Canadian Bennett.

  169. Woodguy says:

    John Chambers:
    Woodguy,

    You floated the offer to Chiarelli? What’s he like? Seems like he’d be sharp as a tack and a savage negotiator. If Chiarelli was asking for a D in particular, let’s say Gernat, I’d be wary because I’m sure there’s something their scouts see … a la Reilly.

    I keed I keed, but in all fairness I think I’d be willing to do something a bit more desperate – like Musil and a 2nd. It sounds steep, but in reality we’ve been out of the playoffs for too too long to go into the season without a real deal veteran D. If it costs a higher pick than so be it. Split the difference and offer them Ottawa’s 3rd from the Hemmer deal.

    You convinced me re: Fayne. I think the Oilers will be in a position to play 5 guys 20:00 / night, a forward on the top pp unit, and Ference around 17 mins. No monster minutes for anyone, but no Potters, Whitneys, or N Schultz’s either.

    We have iced some awful awful defensemen over this re-build.

    I don’t rate 1 year of a defensive defenceman who doesn’t bring offence high enough to give up a 2nd for next year.

    That draft is 1979, 2003 deep. A second there is like a late first most years.

    I like Boychuck, but I’m not paying much for one year of him.

    I’m not paying much if he’s extended before the trade either because he’s turning 31 and I fear old defensive defencemen who bring no ofence.

    Also,

    I have Chia on speed dial. Great guy, but over values “good guy in the room” and gave away Seguin, who may be the best or among the best Cs in the NHL for a long time. Top 5 at least.

    I keed.

    Speed dial part, not the give away part.

  170. Woodguy says:

    Ryan: Bob Stauffer said that he thinks dry saddle will play for the Oilers (today) for what it’s worth.

    http://www.jeffhead.com/magruder/53-DrySaddleSign.jpg

    Excellent nick name.

    I hope it evolves into Saddle Soap.

    Then just Soap.

    That’s a nickname.

    Soap.

    The best nicknames are always one that evolve to not give you a clue of the original nick name.

    Oilers will probably call him Leonsy

  171. Ice Sage says:

    Rondo: Don Cherry trashed the Oilers today for picking a Russian Yakupov who they cannot get rid of. Then goes on to trash the German Leon saying Oilers are fool for not picking the Canadian Bennett.

    So the Oilers are on the right track…

  172. Numenius says:

    icecastles:
    Has there been any verbal from Oilers management indicating that Dry Saddle will start with the Oilers, or is it pure speculation at this point?

    In the “NHL Draft Exclusive” video, Draisiatl said that McT had told him, “do everything you can to play this year.”

  173. commonfan14 says:

    Snowman: Patience is the key. Teams who are patient are rewarded with Stanleys.

    Yeah, like that time Boston played Seguin as an 18 year old and won the Cup. Wait… what?

  174. wintoon says:

    Who have the Oilers issued qualifying offers to? Anybody know?

  175. Lois Lowe says:

    I thought Arco was going to get a real look at 2C or 3C this year. Why is everyone pencilling him in as a winger?

  176. Ducey says:

    wintoon: Who have the Oilers issued qualifying offers to? Anybody know?

    I think they have until 5 pm EST to do it. No need to rush :)

    The Nucks didn’t qualify Jordan Schroeder, their first rounder in 2009 #excellent pick

  177. Zangetsu says:

    I like “Drat” as a nickname. You’ll understand why in November.

  178. Lowetide says:

    They’e too busy trading Jeff Petry, it appears.

  179. G Money says:

    Lowetide:
    They’e too busy trading Jeff Petry, it appears.

    You’re kidding, right? Tell me you’re kidding!!

  180. Ducey says:

    Lowetide: They’e too busy trading Jeff Petry, it appears.

    Is this just your perpetual angst over unsigned players talking or is there something happening?

  181. Snowman says:

    Lowetide:
    They’e too busy trading Jeff Petry, it appears.

    What do the Oilers have against useful young experienced Dmen? Have you heard rumblings of something or is it the lack of rumbling that makes you think this?

  182. striatic says:

    G Money,

    There are many possible trades involving Petry that would be smart moves.

    All involve a better d-man coming back.

    To consider trading him is not inherently foolish.

  183. speeds says:

    For those wondering what LT is talking about:

    Hearing EDM D Jeff Petry's name out there in trade talks…he has arbitration rights and is one year from UFA. Interesting player.— Elliotte Friedman (@FriedgeHNIC) June 30, 2014

  184. spoiler says:

    20 minutes ago

    @DarrenDreger: Jets will not be qualifying Keaton Ellerby.

  185. G Money says:

    striatic,

    I have no problem with trading anyone if the return is good. Hall for Malkin or Doughty? Hell yeah, I’d go there.

    My concern around Petry is the historical “Gilbert” narrative – good young mid-career possession D who’s paid his dues and learned his trade – only to be traded for basically nothing.

    Yeah, I get that MacT and not Tambo is at the helm, but that’s where the lack of signing smoke comes in, as it implies a lack of signing fire.

  186. Woodguy says:

    Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC · 22m
    Hearing EDM D Jeff Petry’s name out there in trade talks…he has arbitration rights and is one year from UFA. Interesting player.

    So help me gord if MacT fucks this up……

    Two RHD in the entire org and he’s going to piss the better one away.

  187. VanOil says:

    I would trade Schultz before Petry and receive a higher return.

    The Oilers won’t because they have a mad crush on him.

    Keeping NHL defenders on a team with too few of them would be an even better idea.

  188. G Money says:

    spoiler,

    Anyone have the scoop on Ellerby? Never a good thing when a 10OV pick is picked up on waivers then allowed to walk as a UFA six months later.

    If he falls out of the NHL at this point, can we call him “Buster”?

  189. oliveoilers says:

    Woodguy:
    Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC·22m
    Hearing EDM D Jeff Petry’s name out there in trade talks…he has arbitration rights and is one year from UFA. Interesting player.

    So help me gord if MacT fucks this up……

    Two RHD in the entire org and he’s going to piss the better one away.

    Just when you start thinking that even though we’re not winning the cup, we weren’t going to be in the McDavid sweepstakes either…..

  190. spoiler says:

    The Petry talks would have to mean something like Byfusion coming back, I’m guessing. Either that or MacT has been reading WG’s Fayne posts.

  191. Gerta Rauss says:

    spoiler,

    I was going to suggest Buf as well as a potential return

    Would it be too much to ask to have Petry and Schultz and Fayne..?

  192. Frank the dog says:

    Woodguy: Excellent nick name.

    I hope it evolves into Saddle Soap.

    Then just Soap.

    That’s a nickname.

    Soap.

    The best nicknames are always one that evolve to not give you a clue of the original nick name.

    Oilers will probably call him Leonsy

    A friend of ours who works in the prison service laughed when he heard that nickname (Soap) . Wouldn’t say why.

  193. prairieschooner says:

    Nothing to worry about the Oilers know we are short on top notch RHD we will defo be getting one back.
    The only possible concern would be if MacT has had a rush of blood to the head

  194. Gerta Rauss says:

    Sam Gagner ✔ @89SGagner
    Just want to say thank you to the @EdmontonOilers and all the great teammates and fans that have been so good to me over the past 7 seasons.
    Retweeted by Edmonton Oilers

    Thought this was approriate in the Sail on thread

  195. VanOil says:

    Is Buff coming to EDM for Petry to play wing with Draisaitl and Yak or D with Schultz?

  196. spoiler says:

    Petry is a tough contract call. How much do you pay a guy who will likely never put up more than 25 points in a season?

  197. icecastles says:

    Gerta Rauss: And for the record, I have never used the “because Oilers” meme, not once. I think you’re projecting some frustration with this onto my post, and it’s not something I said(or meant to say)

    It’s a big blog and I wasn’t writing for only one person to read. My comments were directed more widely than just yourself, just as more people than yourself have commented on the issue in the past. As to getting my elbows up, I have no idea what that phrase means, so don’t know if you’re correct or not.

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