SUMMER TOP 20, 2014

The Edmonton Oilers went to market with six draft picks, and came home with an unusual looking bunch from six (!!!!) different leagues. They ignored the Ontario league for the first time since 2009, and drafted out of the USHL for the first time since Jeff Petry in 2006.

SUMMER TOP 20

  1. C Leon Draisaitl, Prince Albert WHL. 64GP, 38-67-105. NHLE: 82gp, 15-25-40. When was the last time Edmonton had a big, skill center? Arnott. I think it was Arnott. That’s 20 years ago, folks. 20 years of watching Anaheim draft Getzlaf and Benn and hell boys it was criminal. Saved by a German kid who decided Prince Albert was a perfect fit. Good lord what did we do in order to be so lucky? I don’t think he’s on this list next summer.
  2. (1) D Darnell Nurse:  His offense faded as the season wore on (after starting 18, 6-14-20 he finished 46, 7-23-30) but a lot of his value is defensive. SSM tracks minutes, qual comp and other advanced stats, and this fellow rips it up. There’s a chance he stays this fall in the NHL, at least for 9 games.
  3. (4) D Martin Marincin: Marincin gives Oiler fans hope for the future, because he came in and played well (make no mistake, he was gold) then it’s possible for Klefbom and others to do the same. It’s very important we remember the recipe: draft, two years in junior, more than one AHL season. Rinse, repeat.
  4. (2) D Oscar Klefbom: Impressive 2-way defender who fits the modern game. He spent some time in the NHL this year, and after a horrible first shift looked steadily better. I think the Oilers feel they’ve got a big piece of the cluster here. Corey Pronman: ”NHL GM on newly signed Oscar Klefbom. “Physically mature, great skater. Projects to play against best players and some offense.”
  5. (10) C Greg Chase: Chase was taken in the 7th round of the 2013 draft and had a monster season in the WHL (70, 35-50-85). He’s truculent, a pain in the ass and has skill. Started the season 23, 14-11-25 and finished 47, 21-39-60. This guy has 22 EV goals—Eberle had 20 in the season after he was drafted.
  6. (6) C Bogdan Yakimov: He began the season like a house on fire (27, 5-5-10) but didn’t play much in the KHL after November (ended 33, 7-5-12). He did well in the MHL and looked very good at the WJ’s. He reminds me of Peter Mahovlich, that’s a compliment. Oilers signed him and he’ll play NA pro this fall, I wouldn’t discount a long look at TC, although LD’s presence skews the depth chart.
  7. (8) D Dillon Simpson: I’m really looking forward to seeing him at training camp in the fall and he’s a complete wild card. Jeff Petry didn’t take a helluva long time to get to the NHL, and Simpson’s a quick study. Began the season 11, 1-5-6 and finished 31, 6-11-17 for UND. Final totals: 42, 7-16-23.
  8. (12) C Mark Arcobello: The young C has done everything in his power to show the Oilers he is worthy of a roster spot. His NHL season (41, 4-14-18) was the best thing about him, but his AHL numbers (15, 10-8-18) are a helluva kicker. Won an NHL contract, no idea where he fits.
  9. (3) C Marco Roy: Ranked him third in the winter when he was ripping up the Q (8, 2-11-13) but injuries impacted him and Roy followed up the hot start by going 31, 12-10-22. Traded to Quebec, his final junior season needs to be a killer.
  10. (5) C Jujhar Khaira: His boxcars (59, 16-27-43) are well off the pace of other forwards high on this list. He started the year 12, 3-5-8 and followed with 47, 13-22-35. Khaira was impressive in his AHL debut, scoring a playoff goal for the Barons. Offense will be the concern with Khaira, but he has some nice things.
  11. (9) D Martin Gernat: He finished 57, 4-17-21 and played a regular shift in the AHL. The progress of Marincin is exciting when viewing Gernat, because they’re similar players. Gernat was a 5th round selection and has some chaos to his game (and Martin doesn’t always apply himself based on what we read) but there does seem to be a player here. A nice season. Oilers verbal is sometimes a little salty with this player, could be a tell.
  12. (20) R Jackson Houck: He began the year very well (33, 17-11-28) and finished 36, 17-16-33. I have Houck, Chase and Moroz as a trio moving forward, idea being Edmonton is looking for a player who can play with skill while also winning battles and showing physical play. Moroz is bigger than the other two, but Chase and Houck are better hockey players. History suggests you draft three, and get one.
  13. D William Lagesson, Frolunda Swedish Jr. 44GP, 8-12-20. Mobile two-way defenseman who is good on both sides of the puck. He’s a tough player who MacGregor says likes to engage physically. I think they saw him real good at the U-18′s and that probably sold them. Edmonton has five defensemen ahead of him on this depth chart, but it’ll change by the time he turns 20 in 2016.
  14. (15) R Tyler Pitlick: A good season for Pitlick, he finally made it to the NHL and looked good. Began his AHL season 7, 1-2-3 and was 32, 7-12-19 after, obviously impacted by the injury. Pitlick went 10, 1-0-1 in his NHL debut. Needs to be qualified.
  15. (11) L Mitch Moroz: A strong final season in junior got him his pro contract. Began the season 24, 16-8-24 and finished 46, 19-20-39. Enjoyed a strong Memorial Cup, leaves Edmonton with a bang. One thing Moroz will likely benefit from: Unlike Curtis Hamilton and Tyler Pitlick, Moroz is likely to get more playing time out of the box. A slight change in philosophy under the MacT regime should help all these kids as they turn pro.
  16. (14) D David Musil: The skating issues continue to be a part of the conversation, but he’s played much better than some expected as an AHL rookie. I think the Oilers look at him more long term—he’s slotted correctly on this list—but he also plays the defensive game well. That’s a unique item in the Oilers system.
  17. G Zach Nagelvoort, Michigan NCAA. 24GP, 2.20 .929. This is a nice line for any goalie, and Nagelvoort has never been below .920. I know it’s NAHL and now NCAA, but this is good goaltending and now he’s at a very competitive level. He’s well clear of the backup in Michigan. I’ve looked at this guy six ways to Sunday, and admit there’s a lot I don’t know about the goalie business, but I think he’s a pretty good prospect.
  18. (17) L Anton Slepyshev: He looked brilliant at the WJ’s, and is one of the best skill wingers in the system. He’ll spend another year in the KHL, it’s vital he gets major playing time. Despite his skill set, Slepyshev has fallen behind Yakimov in terms of development.
  19. C Tyler Vesel, Omaha USHL. 49GP, 33-38-71. NHLE: 82gp, 15-17-32. I don’t really know where to put him, he’s 20 and playing in a league that’s not quite the WHL. However, he’s been a goal scorer all down the line and in a long shot’s long shot kind of way, I’m cheering for him even though we just met yesterday.
  20. (23) G Laurent Brossoit. Pegging these goaltenders is a tough item, and there are suddenly a ton vying for job in the system. Young man had a strong run in California, and he’ll need to impress in Oklahoma this fall.
  21. (13) D Taylor Fedun:  Getting run over by the draft picks. Needs to be qualified. Update: No longer in organization.
  22. (16) R John McCarron: Big power winger with size and some skill in an organization parched for it.
  23. (22) D Brandon Davidson: AHL D who looks to be just shy of being good enough to play in the NHL.
  24. (33) D Ben Betker: Big with speed. Kind of Matt Greene early.
  25. (NR) D Jordan Oesterle: Pronman: Good skater, good shot, can move puck. Needs work on defense.
  26. (NR) R Iiro Pakarinen: A hard-working winger with some skill.
  27. (19) D Erik Gustafsson: Swedish defenseman, looks like he might have a career if he comes over.
  28. (26) D Brad Hunt: Some real chaos there. The new Phil Larsen.
  29. (NR) C Liam Coughlin, Vernon BCJHL. 53GP, 18-27-45. NHLE 82gp, 4-6-10. Luedeke says nice things about him, we’ll need to see it.
  30. (21) C Kyle Platzer: Two-way center is offensively shy (66, 22-14-36, OHL).
  31. (NR) R Mitch Holmberg: 62 goals in the WHL last year. Got offense?
  32. (NR) R Steve Pinizzotto: Rugged winger has a chance to make the big club.
  33. (25) L Aidan Muir: Big PF doesn’t score enough to be a going concern. (54, 14-27-41 USHL).
  34. (37) G Frans Tuohimaa: Finnish goalie had some nice numbers in some league last year.
  35. (29) D Joey Laleggia: Undersized skill defenseman, Oilers have a bunch of these Larsens.
  36. (32) R Andrew Miller:  College forward will need a better result in year two.
  37. (24) L Daniil Zharkov: I don’t really know if he’s still in the plans. Drift away Russian.
  38. (NR) L Josh Winquist: 47 goals last season in the WHL. AHL contract, but he has a chance.
  39. (35) L Curtis Hamilton: Some recovery of performance after New Year.
  40. (NR) C Will Acton: I still don’t know why people don’t like him.
  41. (30) C Travis Ewanyk: First AHL season done. Offense is not close.
  42. (NR) G Keven Bouchard, Val d’Or QMJHL. 27GP, 2.95 .887. The new goalie prospect.
  43. (NR) L Ryan Hamilton: If he could skate just a little better he’d have an NHL career.
  44. (31) L Kale Kessy: Two goals in 54 games from a forward.
  45. (34) G Ty Rimmer: He’s the Phil Niekro of Oiler goalies. Unfortunately it’s 1959 and he’s in McCook.
  46. (36) F Kellen Jones: Small skill long shot.
  47. (NR) Connor Jones: Small skill longer shot.
  48. (38) G Tyler Bunz: Son, it might be time to stop more pucks.
  49. (39) L Evan Campbell: 9 goals as an NCAA rookie at age 20.
  50. (NR) D Graeme Craig: Young man has his first in the door in pro hockey. You never know.
  • ORGANIZATIONAL STRENGTHS: Two-way defensemen, center (things have changed)
  • ORGANIZATIONAL WEAKNESS: NHL-ready players, goaltenders, skill wingers
  • BIGGEST JUMP: Jackson Houck, 20 to 12
  • BEST VALUE PICK: Greg Chase last summer, we’re going to have to wait for this year’s model
  • MOST LIKELY TO SUCCEED: Leon The Professional
  • PLAYERS WHO WILL GRADUATE BY THIS TIME NEXT SEASON: Leon Draisaitl, Martin Marincin, Mark Arcobello, Oscar Klefbom
  • PLAYERS WHO WILL MAKE THEIR NHL DEBUT THIS COMING SEASON: Leon Draisaitl, Darnell Nurse, Bogdan Yakimov, Jujhar Khaira

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148 Responses to "SUMMER TOP 20, 2014"

  1. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Fedun too old for the list? Nm see him now.

    Also, I’m really digging the idea of using Diesel as a nickname.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    Fedun too old for the list?

    Also, I’m really digging the idea of using Diesel as a nickname.

    Fedun is at 21.

  3. Eastern Oil says:

    Fantastic work these last couple of days LT, I don’t comment much but follow the blog religiously and you outdid yourself once again.

    I have been an Oilers fan for quite a few years but only in the last 3 have really started to have a deeper interest in more than just the score (drafting, depth, analytics, etc.).

    LT, my questions is, have we emerged in wandering through the wilderness from a depth point of view? When was the last time we had an array of skill, size, position like this?

    I know it can always be better (some walking about at the Tambellini drafts hurt) but I really like the look of this list.

  4. Lowetide says:

    Eastern Oil:
    Fantastic work these last couple of days LT, I don’t comment much but follow the blog religiously and you outdid yourself once again.

    I have been an Oilers fan for quite a few years but only in the last 3 have really started to have a deeper interest in more than just the score (drafting, depth, analytics, etc.).

    LT, my questions is, have we emerged in wandering through the wilderness from a depth point of view? When was the last time we had an array of skill, size, position like this?

    I know it can always be better (some walking about at the Tambellini drafts hurt) but I really like the look of this list.

    The impressive thing about MacT’s two drafts is just how much they’ve improved at center. Last year they drafted Yakimov and Chase, this season Draisaitl. A guy like Khaira had a strong path to a prominent role not so long ago, and now he’s looking at a tough chore.

    The defense has been addressed since 2010 2nd round, and is finally coming into view.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Bohologo:
    LT, thanks for this list, as always. I don’t know how you can keep generating so much material.

    Could you give us your thoughts on how you draw up the list? I am guessing you put the highest potential types at the top, whereas others might put closest-to-useful-NHL-duty or draft pedigree as their preferred rating.

    Essentially, what does a player have to represent to justify a ranking on your list?

    I value:

    1. Potential
    2. Math (boxcars, NHLE)
    3. draft number for new hires
    4. Prominence of possible future role
    5. Age (what he’s doing and how old is he?)

    I don’t put any value on:

    1. How close player is to the NHL
    2. Age (I don’t care if he’s 30)
    3. What the organization says about him

    An example of what the organization says about a player might be Jason Chimera. Every summer Lowe would say Chimera will make the team this fall and every fall MacT sent him back. I think Gernat is a guy they underrate based on verbal.

  6. sliderule says:

    The oilers need some of these later pick players who graduate to AHL to improve rather than regress.

    The D have done well but the forwards can’t score a lick or compete for ice time.

    We need players who improve like Getzlaf did.Has about a point a game in last season in whl and scores 2 points a game in 17 games in AHL before being promoted to Ducks.

    When that starts to happen we might feel better about our draftees.

  7. Clarkenstein says:

    This list of 50 is rather discouraging. Pull out the first rounders and there’s just not a helluva lot to be excited about. It might be time for MBS to be shown the door and try some new blood. Granted, he works for people that have shown to be clueless more often than not and that can’t be easy. After yesterdays “flock shoot” it’s become evident that cluelessness seems to be working it’s way through the system…which happens.

  8. Lowetide says:

    Bohologo:
    McKenzie says Sabres will compliance buyout Ehrhoff.

    Interesting, no?

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=455997

    Crazy

  9. Marc says:

    sliderule:
    The oilers need some of these later pickplayers who graduateto AHL to improve rather than regress.

    The D have donewell but the forwards can’t score a lick or compete for ice time.

    We need players who improve like Getzlaf did.Has about a point a game in last season in whl and scores 2 points a game in 17 games in AHL before being promoted to Ducks.

    When that starts to happen we might feel better about our draftees.

    That HAS happened with a recent Oiler pick. Eberle (like Getzlaf a late first round pick) went a point a game in his draft +1 season, followed by 2 points a game in the WHL/ 1+ points a game in the AHL. Then he graduated to NHL and became an above average first line winger.

    Teams are lucky if they have one pick in generation that turns out as well as that, yet somehow you’ve got people saying that the Oilers are bad at drafting because they haven’t managed to do it twice in five years.

  10. wintoon says:

    LT, my question to you is – Is there a case to be made for playing Draisaitl on the wing this year in the NHL? Would this give him exposure and give the roster a bigger option on the wing?

  11. eidy says:

    Nice list LT. I went through the last few last night to guess where you might slot the new players in.

    Is chase playing centre. I thought I saw him on the wing?

    My hope is next year they give nurse and draissaitl 9 games in theNHL as a carrot and then send them back to dominate in junior. Leon has a good coach in Cloudton and the SSM program is very good as well. Put them in positions to succeed. If Drouin can go back then these two can go back.

    To do that they will a real #2 centre to come in. Really they need this whether they keep him or not.

    what’s the thought on Ericksson out of Boston. If Boston needs to free up cap space for Iggy, I would prefer Loui over Boychuk. Tough, big, good possession player.

  12. Big Dan says:

    When you look at Edmonton’s AHL forwards next year, what sticks out is that most of them are either big, gritty, truculent, and/or agitating. I am not sure where the goals are going to come from but they will definitely not be fun to play against.
    - C Greg Chase, Bogdan Yakimov, Tyler Pitlick, Travis Ewaynk
    - L Jujhair Khaira, Mitch Moroz, Kale Kessy
    - R Iiro Pakarinen, Steve Pinizzoto, Jackson Houck

    The offense will need to be carried by Ryan Hamilton (he needs to overcome last year’s injuries to step up and earn his big salary) and Andrew Miller. I think you are writing Miller off to early, LT. My Texas friend “saw him good” in a few games and said he stuck out as the fastest skater he’d ever seen. I read that he has a great compete level and he got better offensively and defensively as the season wore on, and the Coach Nelson loved him. He also had to adjust to the wing (he’s a natural center). Remember, he was just a rookie and made nice strides. He will be penciled into the first line next year with the departures of Arco, Lander, and Horak. All that being said, I think he’ll have a nice career as an AHL star/ NHL tweener because he’s too small.

    Maybe they’re hoping Mitch Holmberg or the Jones brothers will light it up? I think they will – at the ECHL level. Good gambles anyway.

  13. Lowetide says:

    Bohologo: Precisely what I was looking for!

    I think all of those years of Prendergast characterizing all his picks as the next hockey messiah might have made you a bit cynical about the verbal?

    Sure, but the GM makes comments all the time (Lowe on Chimera) and the coach picks his players and what roles they’ll fill. And it can change drastically depending on coach, as we saw a year ago with Yakupov.

  14. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    On Houck.

    just a note that he had some… cough… legal trouble… this year and was also suspended for a few games mid-season.

    I think former may have impacted his slowish start, he didn’t score in his first 4 games:

    http://www.whl.ca/roster/gameByGame/id/9035

    He’s also on a pretty bad team that didn’t score a lot of goals (15th in Goals For in the WHL; 16th in ES Goals For –– the WHL has 22 teams).

    ———
    I don’t like to indulge prurient interests… but I thought it was worth noting, the charges were dropped.

    http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/248872911.html

  15. Caramel Obvious says:

    Bohologo:
    McKenzie says Sabres will compliance buyout Ehrhoff.

    Interesting, no?

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=455997

    They have the lowest payroll in the league and as it is are going to have to spend money to get to the floor.

    That’s an absurd thing to do.

    Even if you are worried about the back end, a $4 M cap hit won’t really hamstring you..

    Terrible decision. Leaf like.

  16. Lowetide says:

    wintoon:
    LT, my question to you is – Is there a case to be made for playing Draisaitl on the wing this year in the NHL? Would this give him exposure and give the roster a bigger option on the wing?

    Sure. I would prefer they send him back, but getting him experience on the wing is a better plan than center. For me, it would be better to send him back, get Yakupov established and then bring him in next season.

    I don’t think that happens though

  17. sliderule says:

    Marc: That HAS happened with a recent Oiler pick.Eberle (like Getzlaf a late first round pick) went a point a game in his draft +1 season, followed by 2 points a game in the WHL/ 1+ points a game in the AHL. Then he graduated to NHL and became an above average first line winger.

    Teams are lucky if they have one pick in generation that turns out as well as that, yet somehow you’ve got people saying that the Oilers are bad at drafting because they haven’t managed to do it twice in five years.

    There are players like Jurco and Tatar taken in second round who when graduated to AHL scored at close to .75 pts/game after a season.
    They didn’t improve like Getzlaf but have improved enough to get them to show.
    Oiler drafts like Pitlick ,Hamilton and Martindale scored at or more than a point a game in junior and in AHL have struggled to produce or even stay in lineup.

  18. Henry says:

    Bohologo:
    McKenzie says Sabres will compliance buyout Ehrhoff.

    Interesting, no?

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=455997

    This is a defenseman that can skate or pass the puck out of the zone. The Oilers should overpay short term on him. He will already be rich from the buyout. Reinhart will have a rough rookie season but have lots of help with McDavid/eichel.

  19. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Vesel is a center? no?

    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=121879

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=30297

    I’m not correcting you here… I have no idea what he is. Just wondering if you have another source for him.

    At any rate, if he makes it, he’ll probably have to be able to play wherever.

  20. skidplate says:

    Erhoff being bought out!!! Will have plenty of suitors.

  21. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    What’s the deal with Gustafsson?

    he’s no longer listed as “in the system”

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/roster.htm?type=prospect

    And I thought I read that they had to and failed to sign him at some point recently. Is he still in the mix?

  22. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Vesel is a center? no?

    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=121879

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=30297

    I’m not correcting you here… I have no idea what he is. Just wondering if you have another source for him.

    At any rate, if he makes it, he’ll probably have to be able to play wherever.

    I hadn’t read that, will change.

  23. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    What’s the deal with Gustafsson?

    he’s no longer listed as “in the system”

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/roster.htm?type=prospect

    And I thought I read that they had to and failed to sign him at some point recently. Is he still in the mix?

    I read somewhere EDM retained rights of both Zharkov and Gustafsson, could be wrong.

  24. eidy says:

    What happens if Ehrhoff goes on waivers and is picked up. Does the recapture penalty transfer to the new team.

    Note: I think he will waive the going on waivers, just curious how it worked

  25. Henry says:

    eidy,

    Good point. May be a way for Buffalo to avoid the recapture.

  26. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “(33) D Ben Betker: Big with speed. Kind of Matt Greene early.”

    the scouting reports seem to suggest he’s probably more mobile than Greene. Not Larsen mobile, but still.

    ————-
    “The new Phil Larsen”
    “Oilers have a bunch of these Larsens.”

    “Why’d we have all these damn kids anyway!”

    ———
    (21) C Kyle Platzer: Two-way center is offensively shy (66, 22-14-36, OHL).

    I rate him higher than Coughlin. I might rate Campbell higher than Coughlin (Campbell certainly outperformed Coughlin at the same age in the same league)

    anyway, back to Platzer. You have to look at his team splits, it tells a story:

    LDN: 39 9-8-17 (0.44)
    OS: 27 13-6-19 (0.70)

    Now, 0.70 is no screaming hell for a draft +1 season, but it is so much better than 0.44. It’s clear he was buried in LDN and I’m optimistic he can have a strong season in OS in his final jr year. I’m hoping for a Moroz like burst. And, based on scouting report he’s got the Lander-like glove already.

    Could be a thing.

    ———–
    On Muir…

    thinking about Platzer’s situation got me thinking… he may have been buried as well (not that that is a good sign really).

    The Ice won the USHL championship (and then promptly folded… hockey is a funny business)

    https://twitter.com/jeje66/status/447216773062860801

    But, it was a very strong, deep team for that league. Muir may find himself elevated in college (not for a season or two mind you, he’ll have the same problem at first)

    I wouldn’t push him ahead because of this, but I’d make a mental note of it.

  27. Lowetide says:

    Rom: Greene had some mobility coming out of college. Scouting reports said size and speed.

  28. eidy says:

    According to cap geek, recapture penalty would stay with buff. How crazy is that. If he allowed waivers, he would only have to get passed Florida to get to edmonton’s spot.

  29. Clarkenstein says:

    Al I think someone needs to examine the effect the NTC is having on the league, in particular, the CDN teams. This is turning into a circus. Every time I hear someone is ok to be traded or wants a trade they ALL list the CDN teams as NT’s. This is turning into a clusterfuck in a hurry!! If you want to maintain a competitive balance this clause has to go. Or is it just me?

  30. Lowetide says:

    Clarkenstein:
    Al I think someone needs to examine the effect the NTC is having on the league, in particular, the CDN teams. This is turning into a circus.Every time I hear someone is ok to be traded or wants a trade they ALL list the CDN teams as NT’s. This is turning into a clusterfuck in a hurry!! If you want to maintain a competitive balance this clause has to go. Or is it just me?

    No, that’s a great point. It really cuts down on the available options for sure, and makes the draft even more important. It would help if one of these damn teams could win something.

  31. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Crazy

    I think they want to get rid of the cap recapture.

    They could trade him in a heartbeat, but that cap recapture would bite them in the ass hard in about 4-5 years.

    If he gets traded, then retires in summer 2018 (when his salary drops to $3MM) then BUF has 3 years of $3.33MM in recapture penalties.

    If he gets traded then retires in summer 2019 (when his salary drops to $1MM) then BUF has 2 years of $5MM in recapture penalties.

  32. FastOil says:

    Thanks for all of this LT. Especially getting the ball rolling on a Sunday morning for all of us hardcores that like to start with some Oiler reading which is getting a bit sparse these days.

    I have a question, why do you have Vesel above Holmberg? Seems Mitch would be the most skilled other than Leon. Is it the year older?

  33. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    Rom: Greene had some mobility coming out of college. Scouting reports said size and speed.

    Ha! of course they did.

    Man… these things are such a crap shoot.

    like saying Goldobin is a good two-way player. :)

    Another reason to read as many as you can and try to find overlap in reporting.

    Man, I hope that the scouts saying Betker is mobile aren’t outliers. I really took a shine to him this year.

  34. Henry says:

    When Erhoff is gone, Buffalo will need to spend $20.5M to get to the cap floor. It will be a nice time to get an RFA bridge contract in Buffalo. If Hemmer wants $7M for one year, that’s home for him.

  35. Lowetide says:

    FastOil:
    Thanks for all of this LT.Especially getting the ball rolling on a Sunday morning for all of us hardcores that like to start with some Oiler reading which is getting a bit sparse these days.

    I have a question, why do you have Vesel above Holmberg? Seems Mitch would be the most skilled other than Leon. Is it the year older?

    I’m currently enamored with Vesel.

  36. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Ha! of course they did.

    Man… these things are such a crap shoot.

    like saying Goldobin is a good two-way player. :)

    Another reason to read as many as you can and try to find overlap in reporting.

    Man, I hope that the scouts saying Betker is mobile aren’t outliers. I really took a shine to him this year.

    I have two reports that say Lagesson is a good skater, and two that say he isn’t. Good grief!

  37. oliveoilers says:

    Lowetide: I have two reports that say Lagesson is a good skater, and two that say he isn’t. Good grief!

    So he’s an okay skater?

  38. Rod from Viking says:

    Great work Lowetide, do you ever sleep ? I’m not sure what I think about the Oilers prospect depth as a whole but for a minute I’ll pretend the Oilers management and scouts know more than I do. I am really looking forward to what else Mac T will be able to do with the cap room he has in the next few days and I for sure feel better about being a season ticket holder than I have for years.

  39. oliveoilers says:

    Lowetide: No, that’s a great point. It really cuts down on the available options for sure, and makes the draft even more important. It would help if one of these damn teams could win something.

    The only team that’s winning now has a D-Man who is available for trade, but won’t go to another Canadian team (Josh Georges). You can’t make this shit up.

  40. Henry says:

    “21. D Taylor Fedun: Getting run over by the draft picks. Needs to be qualified.”

    I hope they sign Fedun to the same contract as Arcobello and Lander then keep him in Edmonton as the 7th defenseman. He has proven himself in AAA and may actually be a bottom pairing NHLer. Then the Oilers can let Klefbom and Simpson get big minutes in the A. Klefbom can come up when the injuries hit.

    Would be cheap cap management if they decide to pay out to a whale.

  41. Hammers says:

    Lowetide: Sure. I would prefer they send him back, but getting him experience on the wing is a better plan than center. For me, it would be better to send him back, get Yakupov established and then bring him in next season.

    I don’t think that happens though

    All depends on Eakins and if he and McT are on the same page . If he is borderline good enough at training camp he gets 9 games ( Nurse also ). Those 9 may keep him up . So much now depends on what and if any trades are made and UFA’s are added .

  42. oliveoilers says:

    Clarkenstein:
    Al I think someone needs to examine the effect the NTC is having on the league, in particular, the CDN teams. This is turning into a circus.Every time I hear someone is ok to be traded or wants a trade they ALL list the CDN teams as NT’s. This is turning into a clusterfuck in a hurry!! If you want to maintain a competitive balance this clause has to go. Or is it just me?

    Goes back to Cake and Eat it. We now have non-elite players who only want to be traded to contenders. Who said role players would get screwed by the cap and CBA? And with Kane and Toews wanting to kill the Blackhawks by taking all 30% of the cap on two players, this is where we are.

  43. Henry says:

    “(12) C Mark Arcobello: The young C has done everything in his power to show the Oilers he is worthy of a roster spot. His NHL season (41, 4-14-18) was the best thing about him, but his AHL numbers (15, 10-8-18) are a helluva kicker. Won an NHL contract, no idea where he fits.”

    Small point, but Arcobello was 15, 10-18-28 after being sent down before getting hurt. He is the guy who gets 2pts/game when he is in the wrong league.

    He could be a decent centre option for a soft minutes line with Draisatl at LW to ease him in the league. Perhaps with Yak on the right side.

  44. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Crazy

    Crazy…AWESOME! Kind of makes you want to mulligan the Nikitin contract and use some of that for Erhoff, though.

    If he entered the market I think he’d garner a lot of interest. The only saving grace for the Oilers would be that teams like Chicago and Boston, the usual teams that snap up top FA talent on account of window-to-win would be unable to due to the cap.

    If the Oilers picked him up, what would be their options two or three years from now? Presumably his contract status would be unchanged, but if the cap rose the money might not be too big a hit.

    What I can’t figure out is the reasoning behind the move. He is a capable NHL defenseman. Did the Sabres see something in him that told them he was 24 hours away from becoming a boat-anchor?

    Last year the Oilers passed on Gabovski, who would have solved the 2C problems for nothing.

    MacTavish said the goal this year was to find the next “Grabovski”.

    Is Erhoff this year’s Grabovski? Because if so, he could scratch off that 1st pairing D (albeit not an elite level one) at virtually no cost before free agency even begins.

  45. Deadman Waiting says:

    In terms of readiness to start in his draft year, I’m guessing the Diesel Dangler is well back of Hall, maybe a bit behind Nuge, and well clear of Yakupov (except perhaps for playing a more difficult position).

    Sending a guy back down who is halfway there (like Nuge) has a negative impact on his career earnings. That doesn’t win you any favours when it comes time to renew the contract.

    Eakins doesn’t any lot rope to survive past xmas if next season begins as badly as the last one, so the Dangler is going to have to not look like too much of a liability out there. If he can manage to play six quiet minutes a night in any role whatsoever and he doesn’t look too overwhelmed, I think he sticks as a difference-maker-in-training.

    More that two or three five-bell brain farts in training camp, and I’m guessing he heads back down lickety-split.

    DD: Hey, Nuge, show me how you popped Morrow using nothing but edgework!

    Nuge takes DD into the training room and shows him a floppy ball.

    Nuge: 500 sit-ups a day, just like this, and I bet you can pop Zdeno.

    DD: Are you hazing me, or what?

    Nuge: That’s for me to know and you to find out.

    DD: So, what’s the betting line among the guys?

    Nuge: Pretty good if you do these damn sit-ups and you can still walk straight the morning after. Don’t try it on game day. And don’t try it the day before game day, either.

    DD: Then when am I supposed to do it?

    Nuge: Got anything planned for the next three hours?

    DD: Uh, no.

    Nuge: Well then, get cracking. Agony waits for no man.

    DD: What about lunch?

    Nuge points to a shiny pail in the corner of the room with a tight-fitting, plastic lid.

    Nuge: Maintain good form, I’ll upgrade you to all the falafels you can eat.

  46. stevezie says:

    Do the Sabers not have to put Erhoff on waivers first? I would think someone would snap him up, unless there is a league-wide handshake and a wink agreement not to.

  47. Hammers says:

    Regarding your list I have one thing wrong with your list and that is MM at # 3. Unless he breaks an arm or leg he plays and if they don’t they will be doing both him and the team a disservice .”D” is still one of the toughest positions to play so I put him at #1 and the rest of your list is brilliant . Just my opinion plus I loved MM more than Nurse this time last year .

  48. Ducey says:

    Campbell and Miso and Moroz are way too low. Campbell didn’t get much of a chance early in the season as a freshman.

    Who the hell is Dan Craig? Sounds like a fictional player the Oilers made up.

    The prospect cupboard is starting to look mighty good.

  49. Rondo says:

    Lowetide,

    “I have two reports that say Lagesson is a good skater, and two that say he isn’t. Good grief!”

    What about asking this guy for info

    https://twitter.com/dohfOs

  50. RexLibris says:

    Deadman Waiting,

    Draisaitl played for Cory Clouston in PA did he not?

    The transition from Cloutson to Eakins might be closer than we think.

  51. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    Christian Ehrhoff’s great day

    http://www.puckrant.com/Slapshot/THE_ARCHIE_SLAP/3673

    Reiterating a previous comment, does he not have to clear waivers in the initial stage of the process?

  52. oliveoilers says:

    stevezie:
    Do the Sabers not have to put Erhoff on waivers first? I would think someone would snap him up, unless there is a league-wide handshake and a wink agreement not to.

    I too have pondered this. What would the implications for both teams be? Would Buffalo be royally screwed?

  53. gcw_rocks says:

    If Ehrhoff makes it to the oilers as he passes through waivers and the Oilers don’t take him they really are losers. There is your top pairing defender, for free.

    Now, if Ehrhoff has a NMC I hear he can’t be put on waivers. Anyone know if he had one?

  54. sumaclab says:

    If Yakimov ever becomes a 3rd line center for this club in the future I will do a dance that even Michale Jackson never thought of. Even JK. The future is bright if one of those 2 can make it and play 3rd line minutes. Add Moroz and Chase and we might have the makings of a fourth line that can compete in the future.

    RNH-Draisatl-Yakimov-Chase
    Ebs-Yak-JK and Moroz
    Hall-Perron-Gagner-Pitlick

    dreaming in Technicolor.These are the days of hope and a prayer.

  55. oliveoilers says:

    TSN and Bob McKenzie now reporting that Buy-Out of Ehrhoff complete.

    @TSNBobMcKenzie: BUF’s buyout of defenceman Christian Ehrhoff has been finalized. He’s UFA.

    That was quick. Pay the man, Jeeves, and damn his eyes!

  56. RexLibris says:

    oliveoilers:
    TSN and Bob McKenzie now reporting that Buy-Out of Ehrhoff complete.

    @TSNBobMcKenzie: BUF’s buyout of defenceman Christian Ehrhoff has been finalized. He’s UFA.

    That was quick.Pay the man, Jeeves, and damn his eyes!

    Matt Niskanen just became a shade more attainable.

  57. oliveoilers says:

    RexLibris: Matt Niskanen just became a shade more attainable.

    After what we just paid NN, both of these guys should be calling us instead of waiting! One of them will have to play C though.

  58. RexLibris says:

    And now Jovanovski is on waivers as well.

    Suddenly the FA market for D is getting a little better.

  59. Lois Lowe says:

    Clarkenstein,

    I think you’re underestimating the disincentive that is the Canadian income tax regime. If I were an agent, I would caution against playing in Canada too. High annual salary + short earning window + high income tax rates is enough to scare most.

  60. ashley says:

    When was the last time Edmonton had a big, skill center?

    Don’t forget Josef Beranek, Shawn Horcoff, and Josh Green. Now that was size up the middle.

    How come MSM wasn’t talking about how difficult the Oilers were to play against with all that size up the middle?

  61. RexLibris says:

    What an interesting time in the NHL.

    Bylsma and Shero fired. Kesler traded. Spezza on the way out. Six of seven Canadian teams drafting in the top ten. Players once thought of as organizational fixtures on the move. Talk of Joe Thornton being traded. First time in 20 years that Ryan Smyth doesn’t suit up for an NHL game.

    This summer may yet be one of the more entertaining off-seasons in recent years.

  62. misfit says:

    Jovanovski being added to the UFA crop doesn’t make it any better. The gut is done. He’s just a familiar name now.

    If we had any hope of signing him, I’d be all over Ehrhoff, but I thought I heard that he had only one Canadian team that he would waive his NTC to. I doubt that was us, and I doubt his feelings changed since the buyout.

  63. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    misfit:
    Jovanovski being added to the UFA crop doesn’t make it any better.The gut is done.He’s just a familiar name now.

    If we had any hope of signing him, I’d be all over Ehrhoff, but I thought I heard that he had only one Canadian team that he would waive his NTC to.I doubt that was us, and I doubt his feelings changed since the buyout.

    It sounds like there is substantial interest in Brodeur in the UFA market.

    NHL GMs are a reliably stupid bunch of people.

  64. justDOit says:

    Buffalo could really use Spezza right about now. $7M cap hit, $4M salary – that would help them get to the floor.

  65. gd says:

    There are so many reasons I am happy with having Leon;

    -I think stylistically him and Yak could mesh perfectly. I also think it’s going to be great for Yak to finally no longer be the youngest guy on the team and to have a European high end talent guy who has had a fairly similar background in terms of coming over to small town Canada to “chase the dream” even if he isn’t from Russia.

    -It is great to now project a legit big top 2 Centre, so we no longer need to “over-crave” guys like Hanzel and Courtier. I think the Oil now projects enough size on their long-term top 6. We are soon going to be leaving a “golden age” of talented big guys. If you project the elite forwards in five years the only huge guys might be Nickushin, Barkov, Benn and maybe still Kopitar. I think we might be laughing at how slow and overpaid guys like Carter, Getzlaf and Perry will look soon as I think most big guys will not age as well as Thornton did.

    -It also means that when Leon is established in a few years we can enjoy a small great find like Arco to be an effective fit on our bottom 6. I could see a guy like Vesel showing up after 3 years in Nebraska and scoring some big goals in a playoff series ala Pearson/Toffoli.

  66. PaperDesigner says:

    Okay, I am confused.

    As far as I know, to buy a player out, he first has to be placed on unconditional waivers. Doesn’t that mean that teams like Florida, Buffalo and Edmonton would have had an option to pick up Erhoff for free? You gotta think, no matter the contract he gets, that the four million cap hit he carries will be less than what he gets in free agency. Or does the compliance buyout simply bypass the typical unconditional waivers process?

  67. PaperDesigner says:

    justDOit:
    Buffalo could really use Spezza right about now. $7M cap hit, $4M salary – that would help them get to the floor.

    If Spezza wouldn’t wave to go to Nashville, why would he wave to go to Buffalo?

  68. Lowetide says:

    PaperDesigner:
    Okay, I am confused.

    As far as I know, to buy a player out, he first has to be placed on unconditional waivers. Doesn’t that mean that teams like Florida, Buffalo and Edmonton would have had an option to pick up Erhoff for free? You gotta think, no matter the contract he gets, that the four million cap hit he carries will be less than what he gets in free agency. Or does the compliance buyout simply bypass the typical unconditional waivers process?

    If he has a NTC he can refuse waivers.

  69. justDOit says:

    PaperDesigner,

    Didn’t say he would. Said they could use him.

  70. Mr DeBakey says:

    gd: I could see a guy like Vesel showing up after 3 years in Nebraska and scoring some big goals

    Better than 20/20 vision?
    The guy is 20, small, and playing in a second tier league.

    One comment on the list:
    @ 45th, Rimmer is probably the best goaltender there and 2nd best goalie prospect.
    That Nagelvoort is intriguing.

  71. oliveoilers says:

    Lowetide: If he has a NTC he can refuse waivers.

    Thanks! I wanted to know too. Now let’s see, later press release from Ehrhoff’s agent: Christian is willing to go to Boston/Chicago/LA/Anaheim, just weighing options. He has given me a list of 10 teams…..

  72. gd says:

    LT,

    One thing I’ve been wondering about is wasn’t one of Bob Greene’s role to focus on US based over-agers? If so, I wonder if he was crucial to the Nagelvoort/Vesel picks. If there is one guy in the org who has a track record that I trust, it is him.

  73. rickithebear says:

    Ehrhoff:
    VCR 9/10 to 10/11
    1.98 EVGA/60 1st/2nd Comp 58.25 ZS .55 EVA/60
    Buffalo 11-2 to 13/14
    2.71 EVGA/60 2nd comp 48.5% ZS .65 EVA/60

    Requires sedan like ZS sheltering to generate the same
    EVGA and EVA/60 rate as Deryk Engelland versus 2nd comp.

    In buffalo:
    2.70 EVGA makes our first line wasted.

    I do not want a more expensive Belov!

  74. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    gd:
    LT,

    One thing I’ve been wondering about is wasn’t one of Bob Greene’s role to focus on US based over-agers? If so, I wonder if he was crucial to the Nagelvoort/Vesel picks. If there is one guy in the org who has a track record that I trust, it is him.

    That’s a really good point!

    His official title (Director of Amateur Free Agent Scouting)

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=680162

    suggests he is more in charge of finding the Oesterles of the bunch. But, I imagine there is a lot of overlap there.

    We do know that Stu credited Dave Heitz on the ZN pick

    https://twitter.com/RomulusNotNuma/status/482954071725588481

  75. PaperDesigner says:

    Is Ehrhoff the guy you throw crazy money at?

    I say yes. One has to hope that he is attracted to the idea of being a mentor to perhaps the best forward his country has ever produced.

  76. oliveoilers says:

    PaperDesigner:
    Is Ehrhoff the guy you throw crazy money at?

    I say yes. One has to hope that he is attracted to the idea of being a mentor to perhaps the best forward his country has ever produced.

    Gerd Muller?

  77. rickithebear says:

    Rondo:
    Interesting article regardingEhrhofffrom lastyear

    http://canucksarmy.com/2013/4/16/former-canuck-christian-king-felix-ehrhoff-should-probably-win-the-norris

    Ehrhoff 12-13
    2.21 EVGA/60 2nd Comp
    50.2% ZS
    .62 EVA/60
    .83 EVP/60
    4.83 PKGA/60
    2.75 PPP/60
    629 PPGF/60

    Petry 12-13
    2.24 EVGA?60 1st COMP
    48.9 ZS
    .58 EVA/60
    .72 EVP/60
    4.22 PKGA/60
    NO PP

    Erhoff had 1 good year in buffalo facing 2nd comp.
    2 horrible.

    So to recap:

    petry was a better Even dman facing 1st with tougher ZS.
    and a better PKGA/60.

    Erhoff would have received the same zero pp time as the 3rd option on PP behind
    Whitney
    4.25 PPP/60 7.79 GF/60
    J. schultz
    5.06 PPP?60 6.75 GF/60

    Norris!
    That is embarrassing!

    Though a 2nd comp Dman won the norris this year!

  78. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: If he has a NTC he can refuse waivers.

    No.

    If a player has a NMC (no movement clause) they can refuse waivers.

    Players with NTC (no trade clause) cannot refuse waivers.

    Ehrhoff had a NMC.

  79. Woodguy says:

    PaperDesigner:
    Is Ehrhoff the guy you throw crazy money at?

    I say yes. One has to hope that he is attracted to the idea of being a mentor to perhaps the best forward his country has ever produced.

    I wonder if he bites on $14MM over 2 years?

  80. Woodguy says:

    BUF needs a lot of help to get to the floor.

    the 31-33 pick next year will be a very good one.

    Like 15th or so in a regular year.

    Gagner to BUF for their 2nd next year?

  81. PaperDesigner says:

    Woodguy: I wonder if he bites on $14MM over 2 years?

    That would make a lot of sense from an Oilers perspective. They can overpay free agents in the short term. But I think Ehrhoff can be fairly offered a longer term contract. He can be part of the defence as it emerges, rather than just plugging a hole until one of the kids is ready to take his role, ala Nikitin. Five million over five seasons? Might be a little low yet.

    Would be in support of front loading the contract. He might be the sort of player who you could successfully dump to a team looking to hit the cap floor via a player who’s cap outweighs his salary.

  82. VanOil says:

    Erhoff sent Draisaitl a Welcome to the NHL tweet yesterday. If the the Diesel Dangler would only send him a Come join me and show me they way tweet back. This would become a sweet sweet summer.

    Rikki has his Oiler savior in Nitikin already
    I would see Erhoff as my Oiler savior.

    More Germans please.

  83. RexLibris says:

    misfit:
    Jovanovski being added to the UFA crop doesn’t make it any better.The gut is done.He’s just a familiar name now.

    If we had any hope of signing him, I’d be all over Ehrhoff, but I thought I heard that he had only one Canadian team that he would waive his NTC to.I doubt that was us, and I doubt his feelings changed since the buyout.

    Erhoff helps the Oilers even if they don’t sign him because it dilutes the market, if only slightly.

    If Erhoff gives teams another target after Niskanen and Boyle then it opens the field for the Oilers to pursue Fayne.

  84. PaperDesigner says:

    Woodguy:
    BUF needs a lot of help to get to the floor.

    the 31-33 pick next year will be a very good one.

    Like 15th or so in a regular year.

    Gagner to BUF for their 2nd next year?

    Wouldn’t you make that trade entirely dependent on your ability to grab, say Grabovski and Kulemin in the offseason?

  85. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy,

    I’d be surprised if Erhoff goes for short term, but then again, who knows. I was surprised when the Kings signed Gaborik to a 7-year deal.

    Gagner to Buffalo for a 2nd rounder? That’d keep the internets going for days.

  86. Younger Oil says:

    Would love to see Erhoff here in Edmonton. He would be a great mentor to our young D, and help Draisaitl transition in. I would offer him a 4 year, $22M contract. I bet he’d get a better offer from a better team though.

    Hell, if we’re going for Erhoff, we should go for Goc as well. He wouldn’t be a bad fit on the third line, he can do a bit of everything.

    So many names have been mentioned, Grabovski, Kulemin, Goc, Erhoff, Winnik, Moss, Fayne, Kulikov (as a trade option), Jiri Sekac…all of which could fill big holes on our roster. Add that in to the Petry and Schultz contract negotiaitons, and we have a very interesting week or so ahead of us.

    I honestly have no idea what to expect.

  87. oliveoilers says:

    Was ist costas das hunda in der fenstre, arf arf? Lived in Germany for 4 yrs. Loved it. Great people when they’re not looking at your country in a funny way. This is the guy I throw money at.

  88. oliveoilers says:

    RexLibris: Erhoff helps the Oilers even if they don’t sign him because it dilutes the market, if only slightly.

    If Erhoff gives teams another target after Niskanen and Boylethen it opens the field for the Oilers to pursue Fayne.

    Go big or go home Rex, lol. I would prefer Fayne and Ehrhoff slightly over NN and Ehrhoff and infinitely over Fayne and NN. These guys are players who are good when your team is good, if you know what I mean. If they struggle, then we’re back to putting youngsters back in to save face.

  89. Caramel Obvious says:

    Bohologo: Based on LT’s puckrant piece and Dellow’s assertion ($10 million recapture hit if Ehrhoff retires a year early), the decision is a sound one, given the recapture risk posed.Won’t help the Sabres current roster at all, and agreed that the cap hit was an inviting one.

    What’s interesting is that the Sabres couldn’t trade him to another team for any asset (beyond the immediate cap space relief) at a value that would mitigate the recapture risk, which appears non-trivial.

    I understand why they did it but I think it is a bad decision. Business wise they are going to spend a lot of money in a move that will make the team significantly worse in the short term. The only plus here is that this means the Sabres are effectively tanking for McDavid. However, a trade would have accomplished the same thing and netted them some prospects. I have a hard time imagining there wasn’t a market for him. Without the cap recapture penalties that contract is fantastic.

    Long term it only makes the team worse if Ehrhoff retires and the team needs that cap space. These are things that may not even happen.

  90. Woodguy says:

    VanOil:
    Erhoff sent Draisaitl a Welcome to the NHL tweet yesterday. If the the Diesel Dangler would only send him a Come join me and show me they way tweet back. This would become a sweet sweet summer.

    Rikki has his Oiler savior in Nitikin already
    I would see Erhoff as my Oiler savior.

    More Germans please.

    I tweeted this at him earlier today:

    Woodguy @Woodguy55 · 3h
    @TheRealHoff10 @Drat_29 After BUF buys you out, come to EDM to play with Leon. Tell Goc to come too. @mparkatti

    :)

  91. Woodguy says:

    PaperDesigner: Wouldn’t you make that trade entirely dependent on your ability to grab, say Grabovski and Kulemin in the offseason?

    Not entirely.

    I play Arco at 2C ahead of Gagner.

    He’s not a offensively gifted as Gagner, but he’s a much better C than Gagner.

    I keep Gagner and play him at 2RW, but if you want to dump him BUF’s 2nd pick next year should be a good one.

    So good that Stu can’t possible pick a guy who scored 0.80/gm as a 20 year old in the BCHL.

    Man.

  92. gd says:

    Does Erhoff $7Mill, Goc $2.5 Mill and one other legit top 9 F make this a playoff contender?

    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    Perron-????-Gagner
    Leon-Goc-Yak
    Hendricks-Gordon-Lander
    Erhoff-Schultz
    Marancin-Petry
    Ference-Nikitin

    Would one of the Jokinens, Pouliot, Moss, Richards be enough?

  93. rickithebear says:

    VanOil:
    Erhoff sent Draisaitl a Welcome to the NHL tweet yesterday. If the the Diesel Dangler would only send him a Come join me and show me they way tweet back. This would become a sweet sweet summer.

    Rikki has his Oiler savior in Nitikin already
    I would see Erhoff as my Oiler savior.

    More Germans please.

    Erhoff 2.71 EVGA/60 2nd comp
    Play ing with
    Hall-RNH-EBERLE 2.81 EVGF/60
    outscores the opposition by 2G for a whole season.

    Playing with Nikitin and Fayne
    they outscore by 28G/season.

    Jesus; Mother Marry; and Joseph
    I want to win!

    Cheap dollars on the 2nd/3rd line with Ference.
    Yes!

    especially if Schultz is stupid on the dollars request.

  94. Gerta Rauss says:

    Woodguy: I tweeted this at him earlier today:

    Woodguy @Woodguy55·3h
    @TheRealHoff10@Drat_29 After BUF buys you out, come to EDM to play with Leon.Tell Goc to come too.@mparkatti

    Nice work

    That list of teams he supplied to his agent sounds great for him, but I can’t see how any of them can fit him under the cap.

    2 years $14M….3 years if necessary

  95. rickithebear says:

    7M for Erhoff?
    …………………..?
    ………………….?
    …………………..?
    ……………………?
    ……………………?
    …………………….?
    ……………………/
    No words?

  96. Pouzar says:

    Guys Erhoff is not coming here. He left 1 rebuild and isn’t about to join another one. Go all out for Fayne.

  97. oliveoilers says:

    rickithebear: Erhoff 2.71 EVGA/60 2nd comp
    Play ing with
    Hall-RNH-EBERLE 2.81 EVGF/60
    outscores the opposition by 2G for a whole season.

    Playing with Nikitin and Fayne
    they outscore by 28G/season.

    Jesus; Mother Marry; and Joseph
    I want to win!

    Cheap dollars on the 2nd/3rd line with Ference.
    Yes!

    especially if Schultz is stupid on the dollars request.

    But NN wasn’t cheap for a 4/5/6 and it’s unlikley that Fayne will be either. Have you heard of a guy that used to go by the handle ‘New Age Sys’? He positively refused to look facts in the face, and indeed, frequently made up his own.

  98. PaperDesigner says:

    Woodguy: Not entirely.

    I play Arco at 2C ahead of Gagner.

    He’s not a offensively gifted as Gagner, but he’s a much better C than Gagner.

    I keep Gagner and play him at 2RW, but if you want to dump him BUF’s 2nd pick next year should be a good one.

    So good that Stu can’t possible pick a guy who scored 0.80/gm as a 20 year old in the BCHL.

    Man.

    Arcobello is better slotted as a utility player, IMO. Like the player the Oilers thought Ryan Jones was. He hasn’t shown enough to prove he’s a long term solution at centre (to be fair, that’s the fault of the Oilers) but he’s a very cheap option to be hanging around on the bottom two lines that can jump up to the top two when injuries hit. I think that’s a better deployment of the player.

    And flat out, we just need better players.

  99. v4ance says:

    http://triblive.com/mobile/6332544-96/million-penguins-defensemen

    Kulemin would be crazy NOT to sign in Pit to play with best friend, Malkin. If they get Grabbo too, it’s an iinstant upgrade on their 2nd and 3rd lines.

    If Grabbo and Kule are out, who are the next best options for the Oil to fill our 2nd or 3rd line holes?

  100. Marcus Oilerius says:

    The whole NTC/NMC thing has to be understood in the absurd context of a 30-team league where there is only one champion, and thus competition for players reaches absurd levels that would be unsustainable in the long run (hence the draft, RFAs, and cap). European soccer leagues are much smaller and teams can count on a chance at various championships (league, euro, etc.) as well as the success of merely avoiding relegation.

    In the North American franchise system with only one championship, no chance of relegation and thus constant high costs, player power needs to be regulated. In the NBA it’s almost impossible to get a no-trade clause. The qualifications required for it are prohibitive. The NFL and MLB don’t even have them, as far as I’m aware. Heck, the contracts in the NFL aren’t even guaranteed.

    NMCs and NTCs in a league where the players are already a bunch of spoiled little shits are just too much.

  101. PaperDesigner says:

    Pouzar:
    Guys Erhoff is not coming here.He left 1 rebuild and isn’t about to join another one. Go all out for Fayne.

    It depends on how he views the situation.

    He might be really attracted to the opportunity to play with Draisaitl. And he might view Edmonton as a team that is on the verge of turning the corner. The Oilers have been bad for a while, but they have accumulated a lot of talent. He may see Edmonton as being the breakout team of 2014-2015. Eberle and. Hall are headed into their fifth year, Nugent-Hopkins into his fourth, Yakupov and Schultz into their third… This could be seen as the time when it is all going to come together, Edmonton will have a meteoric, Colorado-like rise up the standings and we’ll all be singing Kumbaya in April atop our division.

    I mean, that would be wrong, but he could THINK that.

  102. rickithebear says:

    Gordon 58% FO
    Hendricks 54% FO
    Arco 51% FO
    Gagner 46.1%
    RNH 41.7% FO
    You want to start to FIX procession!

    Malhotra 59% 4th RW
    J. jokinen 55% W with RNH-Eberle
    Goc 53% Wing with Perron-Draisatl
    Boyle 53% centre with Hall-Yak or W with RNH-Eberle
    Yakimov 59% KHL Center with Hall-Yak

  103. RexLibris says:

    oliveoilers,

    I’d forgotten about NewAgeSys. Wonder how he’s doing.

  104. rickithebear says:

    oliveoilers: But NN wasn’t cheap for a 4/5/6 and it’s unlikley that Fayne will be either.Have you heard of a guy that used to go by the handle ‘New Age Sys’?He positively refused to look facts in the face, and indeed, frequently made up his own.

    Did you just say Goals are not Facts!
    Golas-> Not Facts!
    Please tell me you were referring to the Corsi crowd.
    Yeah we got corsi
    Do not know how we got there!
    Bit it is important!
    Goals what do goals have to do with the game!

    I have come to Accept Corsi as important.
    We get to Pucks being directed at Net.
    and
    The defensive affect to goal is important.

  105. Gerta Rauss says:

    PaperDesigner: It depends on how he views the situation.

    He might be really attracted to the opportunity to play with Draisaitl. And he might view Edmonton as a team that is on the verge of turning the corner. The Oilers have been bad for a while, but they have accumulated a lot of talent. He may see Edmonton as being the breakout team of 2014-2015. Eberle and. Hall are headed into their fifth year, Nugent-Hopkins into his fourth, Yakupov and Schultz into their third… This could be seen as the time when it is all going to come together, Edmonton will have a meteoric, Colorado-like rise up the standings and we’ll all be singing Kumbaya in April atop our division.

    I mean, that would be wrong, but he could THINK that.

    Buckets full of money wouldn’t hurt either

    He can have Chicago and Boston on his preferred list, but they’ve already got cap problems without Ehrhoff. He may find a boatload of money quite attractive on July 3.

  106. Henry says:

    gd:
    Does Erhoff $7Mill, Goc $2.5 Mill and one other legit top 9 F make this a playoff contender?

    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    Perron-????-Gagner
    Leon-Goc-Yak
    Hendricks-Gordon-Lander
    Erhoff-Schultz
    Marancin-Petry
    Ference-Nikitin

    Would one of the Jokinens, Pouliot, Moss, Richards be enough?

    Erhoff and a real 2C should make this roster very competitive. I say no to Goc at $2.5M though. He has very little offense and I see Arcobello as a better and cheaper solution with the extra salary going to the Legwand/Grabovski/whoever 2C.

  107. Younger Oil says:

    It’s going to be very difficult for Pittsburgh to sign many free agents, unless it is extremely discounted. According to Capgeek, they have $14.6M to sign 9 players (AVG of $1.625M per player).

  108. Pouzar says:

    PaperDesigner: It depends on how he views the situation.

    He might be really attracted to the opportunity to play with Draisaitl. And he might view Edmonton as a team that is on the verge of turning the corner. The Oilers have been bad for a while, but they have accumulated a lot of talent. He may see Edmonton as being the breakout team of 2014-2015. Eberle and. Hall are headed into their fifth year, Nugent-Hopkins into his fourth, Yakupov and Schultz into their third… This could be seen as the time when it is all going to come together, Edmonton will have a meteoric, Colorado-like rise up the standings and we’ll all be singing Kumbaya in April atop our division.

    I mean, that would be wrong, but he could THINK that.

    I love your optimism.

  109. thejonrmcleod says:

    Woodguy:
    BUF needs a lot of help to get to the floor.

    the 31-33 pick next year will be a very good one.

    Like 15th or so in a regular year.

    Gagner to BUF for their 2nd next year?

    Do you hate Sam Gagner? Another rebuild!? In Buffalo!?

  110. PaperDesigner says:

    Pouzar: I love your optimism.

    I love what passes for optimism as an Oilers fan. “A free agent could be foolish and naive enough to believe the Oilers are going to be anywhere but in a lottery position, thus improving them to a 20-25th place team. Could happen!”

    Oh yeah, I’m all sunshine and roses.

  111. godot10 says:

    RexLibris:
    Woodguy,

    I’d be surprised if Erhoff goes for short term, but then again, who knows. I was surprised when the Kings signed Gaborik to a 7-year deal.

    Gagner to Buffalo for a 2nd rounder? That’d keep the internets going for days.

    Hodgson and Reinhart are both smallish offensive right shot centres.

  112. godot10 says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    Long term it only makes the team worse if Ehrhoff retires and the team needs that cap space.These are things that may not even happen.

    Ehrhoff is not going to play hockey for 3 years in the NHL in his mid thirties for $1 million per season, which what his Buffalo contract calls for. He can retire go and play in the KHL or Switzerland for twice that. The $10 million dollar recapture penalty is assured for Buffalo, so the $12 million dollar buyout now spread out over a decade is a much more attractive option for the Sabres.

    Ehrhoff was disinterested in the rebuild in Buffalo, which means the Oilers are probably not high on his list of desirable destinations. He will go to a contender.

  113. Jon K says:

    It seems like an indictment of this draft that, aside from Draisaitl, no pick warranted higher than a ranking of 13th. It also seems that most are in agreement that this draft, albeit only a few days out, seems far less impressive than last years.

    I’m really left wondering about why the Oilers would draft overage players from inferior leagues who really didn’t put up good counting totals. I would suspect that there are very, very few prospects with similar pedigree that ever make it to the NHL, even relative to the expected ~10% chance for players drafted in that range. Ugh.

  114. Frank the dog says:

    If Eakins suffers the same start this year and next year he’ll be out the door. That would take a goalie collapse on multiple levels, and injuries to most of this team’s best players at the start of the season.

    Judging from the comments from Vancouver following his exit to Buffalo, he does not seem to be missed. Buffalo seems to value his combination of personality and talent to be such that he warrants being bought out.

    Pronger was a prick, but no-one was happy to see him go. Granted it would be nice for Diesel to have a compatriot, just as it would be nice for Yak to have another Russian speaking Tatar on the team.

    Question being whether the coaching staff in place – especially Dallas, because the other two seem to be wise old fellas that would have mature people skills.

    Is this team at a point of maturity where they could handle a personality like Ehlers?

  115. gcw_rocks says:

    Found three sites that say Ehrhoff’s original deal only had a modified NTC. That means he needed to clear waivers to be bought out. Which also means MacT passed on picking up a top pairing defender that cost less per season than Nikitin.

    That’s about as stupid as stupid gets when your defence is as bad as the oilers is. And grabbing him of waivers is likely the only way he winds up in Edmonton.

  116. Gerta Rauss says:

    Jon K,

    Is that reasonable though Jon..?

    Our draft, after the German, started in the 4th round. In a relatively weak draft.

    What were you expecting..?

  117. Gerta Rauss says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Found three sites that say Ehrhoff’s original deal only had a modified NTC. That means he needed to clear waivers to be bought out. Which also means MacT passed on picking up a top pairing defender that cost less per season than Nikitin.

    That’s about as stupid as stupid gets when your defence is as bad as the oilers is.And grabbing him of waivers is likely the only way he winds up in Edmonton.

    Are you sure that’s accurate..? I don’t think Ehrhoff was on waivers at any time this morning, and I’m sure the Sabres were fine with that. They would still be on the hook for the recapture penalties if someone claimed him.

    Buffalo needed that contract to go away, and that is what happened

  118. godot10 says:

    One wonders if MacT and Stan Bowman could have a long conversation with Patrick Sharp and his agent about waiving his NMC to come to Edmonton.

    Offer Gagner and retain $2 million in salary, and ask that they take Bunz off of our hands.

  119. denny33 says:

    Woodguy,

    This…all day.

    Doubt Murray would bite……

  120. Woodguy says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Found three sites that say Ehrhoff’s original deal only had a modified NTC. That means he needed to clear waivers to be bought out. Which also means MacT passed on picking up a top pairing defender that cost less per season than Nikitin.

    That’s about as stupid as stupid gets when your defence is as bad as the oilers is.And grabbing him of waivers is likely the only way he winds up in Edmonton.

    He was never on waivers.

    He wouldn’t pass through waivers.

  121. Kris11 says:

    Hall-RNH-Eberle (power)
    VetFA-Gordon-Gagner (tough)
    Perron-Draisatl-Yakupov (soft)
    Whoever-Lander-Whoever
    Arccbello

    Marincin-Petry
    Nikitin-Schultz
    Klefbom-Ference
    Whoever

    Not a playoff team.

    But if you get decent help on D and the right vet free agent forward(s), I’d say it is a playoff team. The cap space and pieces to trade are all there. MacT should be able to get it done, i.e. to create a team with a good likelihood of playoffs.

    I would offer Gagner (with a small reduction in cap hit by the Oilers keeping some salary), Schultz, any prospect not listed above that isn’t named “Darnell” and picks for real vet help (even overpaid help). Target Fayne and Kulemin.

  122. misfit says:

    Jon K:
    It seems like an indictment of this draft that, aside from Draisaitl, no pick warranted higher than a ranking of 13th. It also seems that most are in agreement that this draft, albeit only a few days out, seems far less impressive than last years.

    I’m really left wondering about why the Oilers would draft overage players from inferior leagues who really didn’t put up good counting totals. I would suspect that there are very, very few prospects with similar pedigree that ever make it to the NHL, even relative to the expected ~10% chance for players drafted in that range. Ugh.

    Let’s not forget that while Lagesson was our 2nd pick, he was still a 4th rounder. It’s incredibly difficult to justify placing anyone taken in the 4th round or later in a weak draft that just happened ahead of players who are farther along in their development and established themselves as quality prospects within the system. Many of whom where 1st/2nd/3rd round selections in much better draft years.

  123. Frank the dog says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Found three sites that say Ehrhoff’s original deal only had a modified NTC. That means he needed to clear waivers to be bought out. Which also means MacT passed on picking up a top pairing defender that cost less per season than Nikitin.

    That’s about as stupid as stupid gets when your defence is as bad as the oilers is.And grabbing him of waivers is likely the only way he winds up in Edmonton.

    Stupid would be giving up draft picks for someone who doesn’t want to play here. Oilers are quick to assist peole who do not want to play here out of town, witness Pronger, Horcoff, Hemsky. MacT’s a long way from stupid.

  124. Caramel Obvious says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Found three sites that say Ehrhoff’s original deal only had a modified NTC. That means he needed to clear waivers to be bought out. Which also means MacT passed on picking up a top pairing defender that cost less per season than Nikitin.

    That’s about as stupid as stupid gets when your defence is as bad as the oilers is.And grabbing him of waivers is likely the only way he winds up in Edmonton.

    Stupid as stupid gets would be assuming everything MacT did was wrong.

  125. Jon K says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Jon K,

    Is that reasonable though Jon..?

    Our draft, after the German, started in the 4th round. In a relatively weak draft.

    What were you expecting..?

    And that’s fair enough. But wouldn’t you agree that the Coughlin pick seems very similar to picks such as Abney, Hesketh, and the like? A guy drafted much higher than projected, and seems to have intangibles and size the Oilers desire. I don’t think I can behind choices like that, especially given the Oilers’ recent track record.

  126. Gerta Rauss says:

    Jon K,

    I don’t claim to be an amateur scout, and freely admit I know nothing about the scouting process other than what I read (primarily) on this blog

    I have a hard time getting worked up about a bunch of 18 year old kids I know nothing about

  127. godot10 says:

    The terminology for “modified no trade clause” should really be “modified no move clause”. I think the CBA would classify most “modified no trade clauses” as a “no move clause” and thus a player would have to agree to be put on waivers.

    How can you be put on waivers, when waivers means all teams have the right to claim you while your contract says you can’t be moved to certain teams? I believe only an unmodified no trade clause means that the player can be put on waivers without the players’ permission.

    i.e. I think any movement restrictions in the players contract means the player has to agree to waivers.

  128. Gerta Rauss says:

    godot10,

    That sounds right

    That piece I linked above clearly stated that both BUF and Ehrhoff’s camp agreed to forgo the waiver process, which makes sense

    Ehrhoff would not have wanted to be exposed to waivers because he could wind up in …well….Edmonton, if he’s claimed.

    And BUF needed that contract to go away due to recapture

  129. gcw_rocks says:

    Woodguy,

    How could he not be on waivers? Doesn’t every player have to clear waivers before being bought out unless the have a NMC?

  130. gcw_rocks says:

    Woodguy,

    http://www.capgeek.com/faq/how-do-buyouts-work
    ” In order for a team to execute a buyout, the player must first clear unconditional waivers”

  131. spoiler says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Woodguy,

    http://www.capgeek.com/faq/how-do-buyouts-work”In order for a team to execute a buyout, the player must first clear unconditional waivers”

    Or you could just read the Buffalo article above stating that the team and the player agreed to forgo waivers. He has a modified NTC that apparently applies here. We all know the 24 hour waiver period did not happen. Quite evidently, he did not need to pass through waivers.

  132. Woodguy says:

    godot10:
    The terminology for “modified no trade clause” should really be “modified no move clause”.I think the CBA would classify most “modified no trade clauses” as a “no move clause” and thus a player would have to agree to be put on waivers.

    How can you be put on waivers, when waivers means all teams have the right to claim you while your contract says you can’t be moved to certain teams? I believe only an unmodified no trade clause means that the player can be put on waivers without the players’ permission.

    i.e. I think any movement restrictions in the players contract means the player has to agree to waivers.

    That was the original meaning of NMC as opposed to NTC.

    NMC meant no waviers either while NTC didn’t address waivers.

  133. Woodguy says:

    According to this Ehrhoff had a modified NMC

    http://www.thefourthperiod.com/trade_deadline/notrades.html

    If he only had a no trade, he and the team would have had no choice but to expose him to waivers.

  134. Woodguy says:

    spoiler: Or you could just read the Buffalo article above stating that the team and the player agreed to forgo waivers. He has a modified NTC that apparently applies here. We all know the 24 hour waiver period did not happen.Quite evidently, he did not need to pass through waivers.

    A team and player cannot circumvent the waiver process without a no-movement clause.

    The other 29 teams wouldn’t stand for it.

  135. Woodguy says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Woodguy,

    How could he not be on waivers?Doesn’t every player have to clear waivers before being bought out unless the have a NMC?

    He had a NMC.

    Everything you read about it being a NTC is incorrect, probably due to the writer not being familiar with the differences.

    He had to have had a NMC or else he would have had to been exposed to waviers.

  136. Woodguy says:

    Ehrhoff has a no-movement clause on his contract and can decline to be placed on unconditional $125 waivers prior to his deal being terminated.

    http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/529420

  137. book¡je says:

    RexLibris:
    oliveoilers,

    I’d forgotten about NewAgeSys. Wonder how he’s doing.

    He’s still around, he’s just been busy writing a comment in one of the November threads.

  138. Halfwise says:

    book¡je: He’s still around, he’s just been busy writing a comment in one of the November threads.

    Zingggg!!

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