UNDER THE BRIDGE

This doesn’t sound sexy, but it could be effective. Mark Spector has an article up this afternoon about the Oilers offseason plans—and this doesn’t look like “home run” as much as “hit and run” for Edmonton this summer. Gains can be made—the Oilers are better off overpaying veteran free agents on short term deals—and if they can grab Boyd Gordon’s instead of Eric Belanger’s the team might make a move in the standings this winter.

SPEC’S VERBAL

  • MacTavish: “We’ll add bodies through the UFA market, which is always a little dangerous, the draft, and potential trades”
  • MacT’s list via Spector: another puck-moving defender, a shut down defender, need to get bigger up front.
  • Spec mentions Braydon Coburn via trade.
  • He also mentions adding a 1 or 2 line center may not happen.
  • Spector also names a veteran winger we’ve discussed at length (Winnik) and a center we haven’t discussed in years (Handzus).

Interesting stuff, and thanks to Spec for giving Oilers fans something fresh to read during the dog days leading up to the draft activity. Let’s compare that list in Spector’s article with my list for MacTavish.

MACT’S SUMMER 2014 LIST

  1. A veteran top pairing defenseman. A real man, big time EV minutes and a history of successful sorties. (Possible Answer: Kulikov? Spec says trade).
  2. A 2line C with experience and the ability to play a two-way game. This is the other vital piece. (Surely they can aim higher than Handzus. I wanted him in the Weight trade for God’s sakes. I’m telling you now, if this is what they’re actually thinking there is a 100% chance Leon Draisaitl is in the opening night lineup. One hopes Gagner fetches a more reliable sort).
  3. A legit two-way winger who can score 12-15 goals. The Pisani role. Mentor, calms the waters. (Spec mentions Winnik, I’m fine with that, would also be happy with Kulemin or Moss).
  4. Find a way to get value, or make use of, Sam Gagner. (Spec mentions 89 being available).
  5. Improve the bottom 6F’s. (Suspect Winnik and Handzus would be the additions).
  6. Retain as much of the young cluster as possible. (Spec is all over this, you should read the article, very encouraging).
  7. Get Petry signed long term.
  8. Sign Schultz but DO NOT break the bank.

It isn’t sexy, but this sounds like a do-over for the 2011 summer. Steve Tambellini added:

  • C Eric Belanger
  • L Ben Eager
  • L Darcy Horichuk
  • D Cam Barker
  • D Andy Sutton
  • D Corey Potter

Can Craig MacTavish do better? I’d bet my house on it, especially the defenseman. Things we know for sure: Sam Gagner is gone, MacTavish is going back into the free agent pool and that is an alarming risk, but the kids are safe and that’s the important thing to remember during this truly dangerous summer for the Oilers.

PINIZZOTTO SIGNS!

Not a huge surprise, I wrote about him here:

  • R Steve Pinizzotto is 0-7-7 in 11gp since coming over to Oklahoma City. Like Horak, his advantage is that the current GM traded for him. I suspect there’s a solid chance he returns on a two-way deal.

Two-way deal, signed in front of RFA’s Pitlick and Hamilton. Interesting opportunity for the AHL vet (acquired for Ryan Martindale) and we’ll see at training camp. His competition for a depth spot—Jesse Joensuu, Tyler Pitlick, Anton Lander—doesn’t scare anybody. He’s physical, and that might be enough to win the day.

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66 Responses to "UNDER THE BRIDGE"

  1. D says:

    Could this also be a bluff by MacT? To make up for last summer when he over-promised and under-delivered?

  2. Gerta Rauss says:

    That’s encouraging MacT mentions the “5/6 defenceman that can kill penalites” in addition to adding the top pairing guy. When he made his “if we need to go young, we go young” speech I was a little concerned they were looking for just the 1 defender to add to the group. They definitely need to add more than 1 D to this group.

    That does sound a lot like Matt Greene though.

  3. Lloyd B. says:

    If Spector was as connected as he thinks he is then these thoughts mat be interesting. Hes just throwing spaghetti at the wall and hopes some of it sticks. Same as us here.

  4. Racki says:

    I wouldn’t be too upset if Coburn winds up here, although they definitely can do better. Would much more love to see him here as a 2nd pairing guy.

    I think while Kulikov is definitely a different player, I consider him in that area too.. great 2nd pairing guy right now, would be an improvement on the top pairing, but definite room for improvement with even him there.

  5. Andy P says:

    You can’t expect MacT not to go into the free agent pool, and it’s encouraging to see him deliberately mention how dangerous that is, which seems to me that he would rather walk away empty handed than fleeced.

  6. Pretendergast says:

    Bob Nicholson supposed to be joining the Oilers in some capacity of upper management. Lord that’s a good hire

  7. RexLibris says:

    Pretendergast:
    Bob Nicholson supposed to be joining the Oilers in some capacity of upper management. Lord that’s a good hire

    Just noticed that on TSN.

    PC for tomorrow. I wonder if it happens during Jamieson’s hour.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=454701

  8. Lowetide says:

    Lloyd B.:
    If Spector was as connected as he thinks he is then these thoughts mat be interesting.Hes just throwing spaghetti at the wall and hopes some of it sticks.Same as us here.

    Spector has connections, I can tell you that without a shadow of a doubt.

  9. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris: Just noticed that on TSN.

    PC for tomorrow. I wonder if it happens during Jamieson’s hour.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=454701

    BASTARDS!! THE BUNCH OF YOU!!!

  10. John Chambers says:

    Racki,

    I’m with you there; both Kulikov and Coburn, as well as who LT mentions in Moss, Winnik, etc are all solid, but unsexy, additions.

    I suppose the problem with acquiring a Letang or Phaneuf are that they would cost an asset we wouldn’t want to part with. A Kulikov and Coburn on the other hand may cost you a 2015 1st, a Schultz, or a Klefbom, all things we should be willn to part with for the sake of escaping Armageddon.

  11. John Chambers says:

    RexLibris,

    The first step in KLowe’s exit?

    Perhaps similar to how MacT being hired was the death knell for Tambellini…

  12. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: BASTARDS!! THE BUNCH OF YOU!!!

    You’re just catching on to that now? Seriously, LT. There were tells. Figured a sharp fellow like you would’ve caught on.

    Look on the bright side. You’ll get time to watch the PC, mull it over carefully, and then blog about it with insight, perspective, and a touch of cleverly crafted wit. You know, the usual.

  13. Zangetsu says:

    I think there is a lesson to be learned from NYI about trying to pull out of a rebuild too soon.
    Nino-yak
    Moulson-ebs
    Swinging for the fences now is a bad idea imo.

  14. RexLibris says:

    John Chambers:
    RexLibris,

    The first step in KLowe’s exit?

    Perhaps similar to how MacT being hired was the death knell for Tambellini…

    Nah.

    I think Nicholson will be here to make the Oilers’ sports platform akin to what the Flames have in owning virtually every sporting franchise within city limits…with the possible exception of roller derby.

    He’ll be here to “grow the brand”. Make Rexall sports into a stronger corporation. Personally, I’ll be counting the days until Katz makes a play for the Eskimos.

  15. denny33 says:

    Read the funniest article……claimed Mac T was after a third pairing defenceman.

    I am living in a Ground Hog Day……

  16. blackdog says:

    Handzus? He’s done

    So many holes to fill, thanks again Tambo. For starters they need an actual player back for Gagner. Plus at least two more top nine forwards. Plus at least one top four D.

    Lots of talk about another big name in the East looking to be traded, no idea who, saw it mentioned today.

    Oilers have to look for those salary dumps, was hoping for some last year, no luck, maybe this summer something will shake loose for a pick or marginal prospect, we can always hope.

  17. Ribs says:

    No love for Petry in that article at all. Sad.

    …Oh wait, it’s from Spector. Nevermind.

  18. hugo says:

    The Blackhawks might have salary cap issues when they sign both of their superstars. MacT should see if Seabrook would become available. Id be willing to give up one of Marincin/Klefbom/Nurse and a 2015 pick.

  19. thejonrmcleod says:

    Just saw a tweet by Stauffer referring to the Spector article and saying he wouldn’t be surprised if the Oilers did better than Coburn, Handzus, and Winnick.

  20. Lowetide says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    Just saw a tweet by Stauffer referring to the Spector article and saying he wouldn’t be surprised if the Oilers did better than Coburn, Handzus, and Winnick.

    And that’s very good news. I’m not against Coburn coming over, nor Winnik, but the cost for the Philly defender would be severe and Handzus isn’t good. at all.

  21. Woodguy says:

    Sad to hear they are looking for a “shut down Dman”

    What we are learning is the “shut down Dman” is a euphemism for “big, can’t pass”

    The head coaches of two of the best defensive teams in the NHL have basically confirmed this as well.

    Sutter mentioned that teams defend because they never have the puck.

    Tippett mentions that his “shut down Dman” was much worse than his “soft” pucker mover because when the puck mover was on the ice, the puck was in their own zone much less.

    MacT is still a dinosaur in his thinking on how to construct a team.

    The wandering in the desert isn’t near an end.

  22. Lowetide says:

    WG: And yet the Kings have a six-pack of these guys.

  23. OilClog says:

    Woodguy:
    Sad to hear they are looking for a “shut down Dman”

    What we are learning is the “shut down Dman” is a euphemism for “big, can’t pass”

    The head coaches of two of the best defensive teams in the NHL have basically confirmed this as well.

    Sutter mentioned that teams defend because they never have the puck.

    Tippett mentions that his “shut down Dman” was much worse than his “soft” pucker mover because when the puck mover was on the ice, the puck was in their own zone much less.

    MacT is still a dinosaur in his thinking on how to construct a team.

    The wandering in the desert isn’t near an end.

    I wonder though if MacT’s version of a shutdown D is a big bumbling oaf or is it a guy that can perform under pressure and get the puck out without having a brain fart. In the new age that would be a more “shutdown” defender would it not?

    I don’t see the majority of the MacT moves being ones that have lost us in the desert, this will be his second season as GM. In the first season he turned over the majority of the roster, free’d up tons of cap space and hasn’t put the team in a worse position then when he began other then maybe coaching but hey it might turn out after all, lots of hockey men outside of Edmonton have faith in Eakins as a coach.

    I understand having to have a watered down view on the direction this team is going yet I’m able to come to an easy conclusion that we are much closer to the sweet valley of Yangdi compared to a mere 24mths ago. Do you remember those times?

    This cluster is older, the goaltending is better, and the defence is better. Last season marked a lot of low points that I don’t believe will ever be met again with this group.

  24. Racki says:

    Woodguy,

    I’m not too interested in watching an lumbering slow poke flounder around his own zone all game, but let’s take a good look at this team. Plenty of puck movers.. For too much time trapped in their own zone. Really perhaps the moral of the story is to not cheap out on the blueline and just find good reliable guys. Good… Current.. Reliable guys. There’s been plenty of good names thrown out by people too that are big steps above Greene too.

    Actually from what I recall of his numbers you could call Gilbert a shutdown D man. But I do think they want a physical element. All that Engelland talk doesn’t make me happy (unless he’s a number 7).. I hope that isn’t the better plan.

  25. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    WG: And yet the Kings have a six-pack of these guys.

    30 min of Doughty covers many sins.

    Muzzin can pass and is the real deal.

    Voynov is passer.

    Mitchell is on the edge, but is miles ahead of a Greene in terms of passing.

    Those 4 play 45-50 min/game in the playoffs.

    Also one thing about the Kings is how well supported their breakout is.

    Always 5 guys in the picture giving easy 10ft pass options.

  26. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    WG: And yet the Kings have a six-pack of these guys.

    Also,

    A 5/6 Dman on the Oilers means 1 of 2 things:

    1) He’s playing with Ference on the 3rd pair and for 15-18 min a night no Dman who can pass will be on the ice

    2) If he’s not playing with Ference, then Ference is 2nd or gord forbid 1st pairing and dragging that pairing down like he did last year.

    Either way it’s not good.

    Take Ference off the team and add a “shut down Dman” to play with Klef on the 3d and “maybe” you’re ok, but that’s not going to happen.

    Adding that guy with Ference on the roster has serious ramifications that they can’t over come.

  27. blainer says:

    Lowetide: And that’s very good news. I’m not against Coburn coming over, nor Winnik, but the cost for the Philly defender would be severe and Handzus isn’t good. at all.

    Hey LT …after that tweet it kinda makes sense that the oilers may be talking Gagner For Spezza.. plus maybe their 3rd back from the oilers from the hemmer deal. Spezza’s plus/minus was similar to Gags over the past few years and Murray is saying he wants a NHL player in return. It may also morph into something bigger like Methot or another player..and something else from the oilers…just a gut feeling on this one..

  28. CM says:

    I don’t know of a better place to post this…

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11065561/yoenis-cespedes-throw-los-angeles-angels-hailed-special

    Holy Shit play of the year and it’s only June…Cespedes with a 300 foot throw for the out at the plate.

  29. Racki says:

    blainer,

    I am not known for pessimism, but I would be almost certain that the Oilers are on his no trade list. You never know, I guess, but Spezza apparently hasn’t liked the huge spotlightin a Canadian city.

  30. cabbiesmacker says:

    One hopes Gagner fetches a more reliable sort

    He sure won’t all on his lonesome. Pretty sure the rest of the NHL GM’s know exactly what they’d be getting so why would they give up anything of real value. MacT made a real beauty mistake with that contract and if they can divest themselves of it it’d be a huge positive.

    Rumours are strong out of Chitown that Oduya will be the Dman headed out the door when the smoke clears. He might not be “all that” but he’s a 1D for the Oilers today and all day and probably for the forseeable future.

    He’s got another year at $ 3.4 then goes UFA. If you could get him and sign him to decent dollars and term before he hits high rent status it might not be a horrible plan.

    I don’t see how they keep Sharp either when Saad looks ready to step into that role very comfortably. Doesn’t fit Edm at those $$ and that age though

  31. blainer says:

    Racki:
    blainer,

    I am not known for pessimism, but I would be almost certain that the Oilers are on his no trade list. You never know, I guess, but Spezza apparentlyhasn’t liked the huge spotlightin a Canadian city.

    Ya I thought of that but the oilers are an up and coming team and some may want to play with the likes of Hall and Eberle etc…Your are probably right though..would be great if there was some sort of connection with him and the oilers. ..can’t think of anything though..still…ya never know…

  32. Racki says:

    blainer: Ya I thought of that but the oilers are an up and coming team and some may want to play with the likes of Hall and Eberle etc…Your are probably right though..would be great if there was some sort of connection with him and the oilers. ..can’t think of anything though..still…ya never know…

    Yup, ya never know. I just have my doubts. But I’m somewhat hopeful. I heard some say they were opposed to the idea because he’s “old”. But camaaaaan! Have him here for a couple years while the new guy (Draisaitl?) develops a bit.. I’d bet he’d kill it with Hall and Eberle or even Perron and Yak. Of course only 1 year left on his deal though, so re-signing him also becomes an issue.

    cabbiesmacker:
    One hopes Gagner fetches a more reliable sort

    He sure won’t all on his lonesome. Pretty sure the rest of the NHL GM’s know exactly what they’d be getting so why would they give up anything of real value. MacT made a real beauty mistake with that contract and if they can divest themselves of it it’d be a huge positive.

    Rumours are strong out of Chitown that Oduya will be the Dman headed out the door when the smoke clears. He might not be “all that” but he’s a 1D for the Oilers today and all day and probably for the forseeable future.

    He’s got another year at $ 3.4 then goes UFA. If you could get him and sign him to decent dollars and term before he hits high rent status it might not be a horrible plan.

    I don’t see how they keep Sharp either when Saad looks ready to step into that role very comfortably. Doesn’t fit Edm at those $$ and that age though

    Even factoring for age and salary, I’d be all over Patrick Sharp in a heart beat. Not sure what the required return would be. But that might be one of those places you could send Gagner, since there’s that Kane connection. Plus the fact that Gagner murdered them one night.. they may have a bad case of the Sawhimgooditis.

    3 years of Sharp though.. that would be the ideal term for me because it buys time for Draisaitl, or whomever the Oilers draft at C (if they draft a C) this year. Yes, the salary is high, but few teams have both the cap space and the bajillionaire owner to make things like this work.

    Now I have no illusions that Gagner for Sharp makes it happen, but maybe if you eat some of Gagner’s salary… give them a prospect.. maybe they talk. I dunno.

  33. SaskFan says:

    Woodguy,

    Maybe MacT classifies Fayne as “Shutdown Defensman”

  34. Younger Oil says:

    Not sure if anyone has posted this article yet, I know it’s been mentioned a few times, but this is pretty great news.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=454701

  35. Racki says:

    SaskFan,

    One can only hope

  36. 719 says:

    Seabrook and E. Staal sound pretty good to me! (yes I am sorry for the stupid speculation, still high on the B. Nicholson rumor)

  37. Bank Shot says:

    blainer: Ya I thought of that but the oilers are an up and coming team and some may want to play with the likes of Hall and Eberle etc…Your are probably right though..would be great if there was some sort of connection with him and the oilers. ..can’t think of anything though..still…ya never know…

    The Oilers kind of ruined their up and coming status with the season they had last year. It’s too bad because it seems like there are more front line centers available this offseason than any other season I can remember.

    If the Oilers had finished just out of the playoffs last year they might have been able to convince one of them to waiver their no trade clause to go to the Oilers.

    Now that’s likely an impossible dream.

    For those talking about Tambellini being responsible for all the holes to fill lets not forget that MacT purged a few NHlers off the roster last season as well. Horcoff, Hemsky, Smid.

    Hopefully this offseason he focuses on getting the third line winger he should have gotten last year, and an additional 2-3 defensemen.

    Oduya would be a godsend. A couple of players of his calibre or better on the backend and the Oilers might stop spinning their tires a bit. For all the lampooning Greene gets, he’s twice the hockey player that Larsen is. Lets hope we at least get some competent NHLers this season to fill out the roster rather then longshots ala Grebeshkov, Joeensuu, Larsen, Hamilton, etc.

    I also firmly believe the Oilers need to return to whale hunting. The best way to turn a roster around quickly is to land a legit star level player to add to the roster.

  38. wheatnoil says:

    Perhaps after the “bold” fiasco last season, all this talk of Handzus is MacT finally under-promising and over-delivering?

  39. rickithebear says:

    is it unreasonable to expect :down the road.

    Hall 6’1″ 210lb – Draisatl 6’2″ 220lb – XXX

    Perron 6’0″ 200lb – RNH 6’1″ 190+lb – Eberle 5’10 ” 180lb

    Slepyshev 6’2″ 195lb – Yakimov 6’5″ 225lb – Yakupov 5’11″ 190lb

    Moroz 6’3″ 225lb – Khaira 6’4″ 225lb – Chase 6’0″ 210lb

  40. Hammers says:

    Seems I said the same thing last week and listed about 12 UFA players I could accept . Winnick & Moss on my list but so was Santorelli who did a really good job for Vancouver at center until his injury .Trouble is it allways comes back t a Quality :D: .

  41. rickithebear says:

    To be clear:

    From the top 20 evga 1st comp dmen. 5 did not have 1st or 2nd line tea mates.

    Lovejoy
    Bellimore
    Oduya
    Fowler
    Marincin.

    I want Bellimore, but would be quite happy with 3 0fthe 5 best 1st comp 3/4th team dmen.

    that gets in the
    Muzzin-XXX
    Mitchell-XXX
    Greene-XXX
    range of EVGA.

  42. Hammers says:

    John Chambers: RexLibris, The first step in KLowe’s exit?Perhaps similar to how MacT being hired was the death knell for Tambellini…

    Doubt it . Nicholson would be above Lowe so more like LaForge .

  43. Andy P says:

    Bank Shot: The Oilers kind of ruined their up and coming status with the season they had last year. It’s too bad because it seems like there are more front line centers available this offseason than any other season I can remember.

    If the Oilers had finished just out of the playoffs last year they might have been able to convince one of them to waiver their no trade clause to go to the Oilers.

    Now that’s likely an impossible dream.

    For those talking about Tambellini being responsible for all the holes to fill lets not forget that MacT purged a few NHlers off the roster last season as well. Horcoff, Hemsky, Smid.

    Hopefully this offseason he focuses on getting the third line winger he should have gotten last year, and an additional 2-3 defensemen.

    Oduya would be a godsend. A couple of players of his calibre or better on the backend and the Oilers might stop spinning their tires a bit. For all the lampooning Greene gets, he’s twice the hockey player that Larsen is. Lets hope we at least get some competent NHLers this season to fill out the roster rather then longshots ala Grebeshkov, Joeensuu, Larsen, Hamilton, etc.

    I also firmly believe the Oilers need to return to whale hunting. The best way to turn a roster around quickly is to land a legit star level player to add to the roster.

    I don’t think MacT purged the roster of those players. I believe he got the best return he could for layers who were no longer willing to tolerate the incompetent Assistant coaches. I’ll wager that they wouldn’t have left as they did had the coaching team that we may end up with in the coming season.

  44. Pouzar says:

    Bank Shot,

    Wow did Oduya ever play the toughs this year. Didn’t realize.

  45. rickithebear says:

    Pouzar:
    Bank Shot,

    Wow did Oduya ever play the toughs this year. Didn’t realize.

    Kieth and Seabrook are set up to face 2nd/3rd comp so they kick ass for 20 even minutes.

    There was a reason i have stated box protection.
    Chara-Boychuck
    Oduya-Hijarlmasson
    Smid-petry

    LAK have 6 of the top 20 EVGA D men in the game.

    If we are rolling

    Oduya-Petry
    Bellimore-Ferece
    Marincin-Schultz

    that is the best tough comp low teammate Box protection D in the game.

  46. Pouzar says:

    rickithebear: Kieth and Seabrook are set up to face 2nd/3rd comp so they kick ass for 20even minutes.

    There was a reason i have stated box protection.
    Chara-Boychuck
    Oduya-Hijarlmasson
    Smid-petry

    LAK have 6 of the top 20 EVGA D men in the game.

    If we are rolling

    Oduya-Petry
    Bellimore-Ferece
    Marincin-Schultz

    that is the best tough comp low teammate Box protection D in the game.

    Good stuff

  47. Hammers says:

    wheatnoil: Perhaps after the “bold” fiasco last season, all this talk of Handzus is MacT finally under-promising and over-delivering?

    If he goes into the 30+ group I would sooner see Legwand 33 than Handzus but only for a couple of years . Goc at 30 is another NHL player in the true sense of the word . Santorelli @ 28 and under $ 1 mill last year is who I would target for .Doubt we can get Kulimen & Grabovsky especially if they go as a pair .Stastny would cost $ 7 to 7.5 for 5-6 years . Draft Draistl send back to junior and have a 2 year back up plan then Gordon or one of the above move on ( except Stastny but doubt we get him ).

  48. Hockey Viking says:

    As a OIL supporter I am enjoying the speculation-but some of our folks are letting their enthusiasm get in the way of reality. This is why a “Manager” and team of people are needed to bring this all together. We just can’t pick and choose like kids in a candy store!.

    Let us all better appreciate the positive moves that have been made (Ramsay. Nicholson (tomorrow!) and during the last year—take a breath and not be so quick to wanderlust after any skirt that happens to be available.

  49. Andy P says:

    Hockey Viking:
    As a OIL supporter I am enjoying the speculation-but some of our folks are letting their enthusiasm get in the way of reality. This is why a “Manager” and team of people are neededto bring this all together. We just can’t pick and choose like kids in a candy store!.

    Let us all better appreciate the positive moves that have been made (Ramsay. Nicholson (tomorrow!) and during the last year—take a breath and not be so quick to wanderlust after any skirt that happens to be available.

    ^^ This. All day.

  50. Henry says:

    John Chambers:
    Racki,

    I’m with you there; both Kulikov and Coburn, as well as who LT mentions in Moss, Winnik, etc are all solid, but unsexy, additions.

    I suppose the problem with acquiring a Letang or Phaneuf are that they would cost an asset we wouldn’t want to part with. A Kulikov and Coburn on the other hand may cost you a 2015 1st, a Schultz, or a Klefbom, all things we should be willn to part with for the sake of escaping Armageddon.

    Why does Kulikov at -29 and feuding with the team cost next year’s 1st? He’s fine, but not elite and seems in a similar situation to Gagner. Negotiate accordingly.

    Coburn is a good defenseman, but not elite. With Philly cap strapped and having signed Andy MacDonald for $5M they need to balance the dollars with the minutes if Hextall hopes to improve their decent but not great team. He may not cost next year’s first and isn’t worth it long term excepting current organizational exigencies. I don’t know how MacT gets around Coburn’s NTC though.

  51. rickithebear says:

    Lowetide:
    WG: And yet the Kings have a six-pack of these guys.

    Pass;
    Move puck.
    Even assists.

    We have 3 guy that had a top 50 season in Even assists within the last 3 years.
    Petry; (26th); (36th)
    Ference; (48th); (49th)
    Shcultz. (48th);
    Marincin was on a top 20 pace last 1/4 of the season.

    your kidding your self
    Letang without the top 4 forwards is a below average Even pointproducing Dman.

    Our EVG production from fwds 5-9 were shite.
    our puck moving Dman had down years for Even point production.

    it is not complex.
    Dmen play with 1st teamates good EVP production.

    Dmen play with 3/4th teamates lower EVP production.

    Oduya (80th); (73rd); (48th) with better tea mates for 1/4 of season in WPG.

    Niskanen 2 years ago versus playing Letangs minutes this year.

  52. Lowetide says:

    rickithebear: Pass;
    Move puck.
    Even assists.

    We have 3 guy that had a top 40 season in Even assists within the last 3 years.
    Petry;
    Ference;
    Shultz.
    Marincin was on a top 20 pace last 1/4 of the season.

    your kidding your self
    Letang without the top 4 forwards is a below average Even pointproducing Dman.

    Our EVG production from feds 5-9 were shite.
    our puck moving Dman had down years for Even point production.

    This isn’t an argument I’m making, so there’s no need to convince anyone.

  53. Henry says:

    Woodguy:
    Sad to hear they are looking for a “shut down Dman”

    What we are learning is the “shut down Dman” is a euphemism for “big, can’t pass”

    The head coaches of two of the best defensive teams in the NHL have basically confirmed this as well.

    Sutter mentioned that teams defend because they never have the puck.

    Tippett mentions that his “shut down Dman” was much worse than his “soft” pucker mover because when the puck mover was on the ice, the puck was in their own zone much less.

    MacT is still a dinosaur in his thinking on how to construct a team.

    The wandering in the desert isn’t near an end.

    If Oduya is the shutdown guy, things may improve.

    Nowhere did they mention Marc Fraser as an option! Maybe his trade was just a response to Eakins crying ‘Mac get me a goddam guy who will listen even for a little while! Fraser needs work, can you get him?’

    On the other hand bigandbellicose may be the watchword.

    Sutton was Tambi’s 2nd best move after Nelson though.

  54. rickithebear says:

    Lowetide: This isn’t an argument I’m making, so there’s no need to convince anyone.

    Meant to quote Woodguy!
    Box protection Bad Pass.

  55. rickithebear says:

    Oduya;
    Petry;
    Schultz;
    Ference;
    Marincin.
    All performed that coveted low % inside box and low success rate inside box.
    Below league average EVGA versus 1st comp.
    A top 50 Season in Even assists or trended at.

    Then add in the 2 nd best EVGA tough comp box protection Dman with a top 120 EVA pace.

    to me that is EVGA and puck movement heaven!

  56. Henry says:

    rickithebear,

    How much of that is the new goalies? Is there a way to tell?

  57. "Steve Smith" says:

    rickithebear:
    is it unreasonable to expect :down the road.

    Hall 6’1″ 210lb – Draisatl 6’2″ 220lb – XXX

    Perron 6’0″ 200lb – RNH 6’1″ 190+lb – Eberle 5’10 ” 180lb

    Slepyshev 6’2″ 195lb – Yakimov 6’5″ 225lb – Yakupov 5’11″ 190lb

    Moroz 6’3″ 225lb – Khaira 6’4″ 225lb – Chase 6’0″ 210lb

    You’re asking if it’s unreasonable to expect our top six forward prospects to all make it as regular NHLers?

  58. Woodguy says:

    SaskFan:
    Woodguy,

    Maybe MacT classifies Fayne as “Shutdown Defensman”

    That would be nice.

    I’m being seriously pessimistic, but the names coming out of the MSM are all pretty much useless as NHL hockey players.

  59. Woodguy says:

    719:
    Seabrook and E. Staal sound pretty good to me! (yes I am sorry for the stupid speculation, still high on the B. Nicholson rumor)

    There is ample evidence that Stralman is the straw that stirs the drink on the Staal-Stralman pairing.

    Stralman is UFA.

    He would be ideal for the Oilers.

  60. book¡je says:

    After reading Matheson’s article about Nicholson, I have trouble getting excited. The guys sucess has been winning a bit at international hockey as the head of hockey Canada. I’m not convinced Tambellini would have done worse. I have generally been pretty disappointed with Hockey Canada over the past 20 years.

    Am I missing something?

    It seems a bit like the Pat Quinn hiring.

  61. Lowetide says:

    book¡je:
    After reading Matheson’s article about Nicholson, I have trouble getting excited.The guys sucess has been winning a bit at international hockey as the head of hockey Canada.I’m not convinced Tambellini would have done worse.I have generally been pretty disappointed with Hockey Canada over the past 20 years.

    Am I missing something?

    I expect this is about empire building, about growth of the brand. I have no doubt there will be a hockey side to this hire but it’s also about contracts and relationships in the new arena.

  62. book¡je says:

    Lowetide: I expect this is about empire building, about growth of the brand. I have no doubt there will be a hockey side to this hire but it’s also about contracts and relationships in the new arena.

    So, he has excellent handshaking skills. Got it.

    I suppose it could help the Oilers general reputation.

  63. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: I expect this is about empire building, about growth of the brand. I have no doubt there will be a hockey side to this hire but it’s also about contracts and relationships in the new arena.

    book¡je: So, he has excellent handshaking skills.Got it.

    I suppose it could help the Oilers general reputation.

    my thought was basically…

    I have no idea how to evaluate this kind of position.

    I’m innately suspicious of the accolades Hockey Canada gets for lucking into stellar on-ice talent.

    ———–
    that said, this article lays out where this might help:

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/woeful-oilers-land-big-off-ice-free-agent-in-nicholson/

    Nicholson’s biggest strength is as a consensus builder who makes a habit of surrounding himself with very good people. On the business side, his dealings with Hockey Canada have him on speed dial with basically every major corporate sponsor in Canada. When it comes to hockey, his involvement with Canada’s national teams and the International Ice Hockey Federation make him a major player in the hockey world.

    that’s a profile (assuming it’s true and carries the kind of weight it implies) that does actually look like a good business acquisition for the Oilers.

    Nicholson will help make them money and build corporate relationships foreign and domestic.

    This isn’t primarily about hockey or accountability for Lowe/Laforge (though both could be tangentially affected). It’s about buying a rolodex.

    Smart move by Katz.

  64. book¡je says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I see that he comes with a Rolodex, but I don’t actually see evidence of corporate success either. With that said, I don’t know enough about the guy to have an informed opinion. He seems to come with lot of hype. I hope it’s not just hype.

  65. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    book¡je:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I see that he comes with a Rolodex, but I don’t actually see evidence of corporate success either.With that said,I don’t know enough about the guy to have an informed opinion. He seems to come with lot of hype.I hope it’s not just hype.

    exactly. I have no idea if he’s a good executive.

    but, with all the dudes working in that office, they can afford a few guys who aren’t too sharp at decision making, but know everybody and open doors and build relationships. If that’s all he’s good for, I imagine that’s good enough for Katz.

  66. Andy P says:

    The news about Bucky, Ramsay and Nicholson tell me that while Katz is fiercely loyal to his BOTB’s, he values turning this into a successful franchise even more highly.

    Put simply, his patience. Looks like it may have finally worn thin with the gong show. MacT is there less and less as a BOTB and more and more as a competent GM.

    I suspect that, given his choice of assistants, Eakins will be shipped out pretty quick if the Oil don’t come out the gate firing on all cylinders.

    On Laxdal: is he really waiting for SS to quit, or is he replacing Nelson who is interviewing for an NHL position? Obviously the job is his if he chooses to stay in OKC, but Laxdal looks to be a great replacement if Nelson goes.

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