CATCH-22

If the Edmonton Oilers sign center Derek Roy to a contract, where will he play? Who will that impact? Will it mean more goals? Can he play the toughs? Will he kill the soft parade?

VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER 2013-14

derek roy vollman

This is the area of the graph we should expect Leon Draisaitl to play this coming season, so Roy’s ZS’s and qual comp are very likely to increase if the No. 3 overall selection stays for the year. His Corsi On is fine, but you’d expect that from a St. Louis Blues forward. The 1.55/60 at 5×5 is no screaming hell, let’s compare the entire Roy Sledgehammer to Mark Arcobello.

ARCO VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER

ARCO SLEDGE2

Different situations, but a little similar. Both centers are in what we might call somewhat sheltered areas of the graph, Roy’s zone starts making his life a little easier. If you’re looking for someone to help the offense, and who has more experience, then Roy is probably a good investment. That’s the appeal of Derek Roy for the Oilers, an experienced fellow who should be able to come in and help your team. He’s certainly proven, something the current depth chart could use.

VARYING OPINIONS

tyler roy

Tyler Dellow is one of the most influential voices in the Oilogsphere, so his endorsement of the idea is something to ponder. Based on some back and forth with Tyler, and a few of his tweets, I think his idea is that Roy could be a nice bridge to a more experienced Leon Draisaitl. Dellow admits that Roy’s skills have eroded with age, and I suspect we all know Roy’s life would be easier in the eastern conference.

WOODGUY

  • Derek Roy is an interesting option. He was a negative RelCor last year, but as we learned in this little exercise, who you play with is a major determining factor in your results. Roy played mostly with Stewart and Morrow last year and they were huge drags on his corsi. He put up nice number with Taresenko, Sobatka and even Ott (*spits*). (source)

As we color in with context, the numbers (as Darcy touches on, his entire article is a must-read) suggest there’s still some blacktop ahead for Derek Roy and the Oilers might be wise to grab him on a short term deal.

CRAIG BUTTON

  • “He can’t play. He can’t skate, he can’t play, he’s not big enough, he’s been injured. Basically, he’s not good enough. Wouldn’t touch him.Up until about three years ago he was a very good, strong player but he ended up getting injured and the game got quicker and faster and to me he’s just not able to play at the pace and in the Western Conference. Small centreman that can’t skate, I’m not interested.” (Source: David Staples Cult of Hockey).

I value Button’s opinion, he’s one of the few hockey people who will make a statement that actually has some spine. There is some risk in this signing, but Roy played in the western conference a year ago and did in fact compete, so I’d say Button’s concerns are real and will impact down the line but for one season Edmonton should be okay with the small, slowing center.

WOULD I SIGN DEREK ROY?

As most of you know, I rarely give me opinion on things. Why? The idea of the blog is to discuss things, suss them out, and for me to track and assess what the Oilers will/might do. I’m going to make an exception in this case, because it’s central to the conversation and I can’t make my point without stating opinion.

arcobello3That’s Mark Arcobello in the ECHL, before he moved up the depth chart and signed his first NHL contract. I think there are times when you have to commit to a player BECAUSE he’s jumped every hurdle put in front of him. At some point, when a young player like Arcobello has passed every test, the last item is experience. This is sometimes called a “Catch-22″ and we are here.

Many years ago, the Montreal Expos had a prospect named Casey Candaele. He wasn’t much to look at, small, no power, didn’t really do anything extremely well, but he could do a lot of thing well enough to help a team. Candaele became all the rage his first summer in the majors, celebrated because of his ability to do so many things (and because his Mom was a helluva athlete too).

That’s my reasoning. Suspect it isn’t as sound as Tyler’s, but hang it all men sometimes you simply have to give a man his chance. Mark Arcobello is nothing special? Well, let’s let him prove that just this one time. If he ends up scoring 45 points, and playing a strong two-way game, the Oilers will be in a better place.

Right?

It’s a rare damn thing, but Mark Arcobello, from the wrong side of hockey’s pedigree tracks, has climbed an entire mountain to arrive at today. Give him a chance. It’s the right thing to do.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

Now that I’ve ensured Edmonton will sign Derek Roy today, allow me to give you the lineup for the show. At 10 this morning (TSN 1260), I’ll welcome first time guest Justin Bourne from the Score. He’s a fascinating guy and a unique read. At 10:25, I’m hoping for Jeff Veillette from 5-hole for Food (we’ll have him on today or tomorrow) but that cat is damn busy so it’s a fluid situation (Jeffler is doing an incredible thing, I’m astounded by his energy and selflessness). At 11, Jonathan Willis will help us with the center issue, and at 11:25 Guy Flaming gives us updates on prospects, prospect camps and the lazy, crazy, hazy days of summer in hockey’s prospect world.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide_ on the twitter. Looking forward to it!

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110 Responses to "CATCH-22"

  1. Hammers says:

    This is competition for Leon to play center ? Maybe . If signed it would be RNH , Arco , Roy, Gordon . Lander slides to the wing with Gordon & Hendricks and McT has 3 guys on the 4th who can play center . What happens to Leon will be on him at training camp .

  2. OilClog says:

    If it’s a choice of Arco or Roy between Nuge and the mad King…I take neither. Dallas will kill our sweet sweet Nuge playing him 35 a night. The Oilers must upgrade to a man in the middle that relieves the Nuge, neither of these guys will do what the teams needs. Another Gordon with more offensive bite to his game.

  3. Lowetide says:

    Oil Clog: How much bite DO YOU HAVE in your offensive game? :-)

  4. russ99 says:

    Roy isn’t the answer, but Arcobello really isn’t either. He’s better suited on the 4th line.

    I’d feel much better about giving Arco a shot if we had some experienced cover at the position. As of now if any of the following happen, we’re screwed:

    1) Draisaitl shows he’s not ready in his 9 game audition and is sent back to Prince Albert.

    2) One (or both) of Arcobello and Lander shows that they’re AAAA players

    3) One (or both) of RNH and Gordon gets hurt.

    TSN still has a lot of players available at center, we should pick the best one and sign them cheap.
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=25880

  5. wheatnoil says:

    I’m for door number 3… Sign Roy to one year and send back Draisaitl unless he blows the doors off. Then run Arco and Roy as the middle 2 centers with Lander playing wing on the 4th, subbing up in case of injury. If Draisaitl makes it impossible to send him down… well that’s a good problem to have.

    That said, I would be surprised (pleasantly so) if the Oilers actually send Drai down.

  6. Pouzar says:

    Arco over Roy all day every day. Pretty damning scouting report by Button.

  7. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ha!

    I think the sentimental side is writing this one. Where’s that ornery guy with the crusty eye?

    My only rejoinder here would be that we don’t need to make this mutually exclusive. There nothing to stop the Oilers from signing Roy, or Loktionov, or Winnik, or Mueller, or some combination thereof AND still giving Arco a really good shot at the 2C position.

    Depth doesn’t have to mean bumping Arco back to OKC again or the Gazdic Cage.

  8. malinpaul says:

    I think depth and size down the middle is something we will need to win – even once Draistaitl comes into his own. I also think counting on Draisaitl to make the team, or injuries to be avoided is crazy.

    I say we sign Moss to play with Hendricks and Gordon – and to increase the competition for spots on the team.

    And then I say we make a trade prospects and picks for a TRUE #2C – someone big and a bit older who will fit on the third line of a cup contender in 2 years… to increase the competition for spots on that team.

    Let’s NOT sign Roy, and lets NOT “give Arco a chance” (I say he is getting the chance by coming to camp).

    Sooooo who can we pick up? Soderberg? Anisimov? Zajac?Killorn? Couterier?

    I’m not just tossing names out, but the point is let’s not limit ourselves to the UFA market. Let’s find a good puzzle piece and let’s get the young guys their first taste of the playoffs.

  9. Hammers says:

    If Purcell & Yak play with Arco it would give Roy Pouliot & Perron with Leon going back to PA after his 9 games . All of a sudden we are small down the middle . RNH with weight , Arco & Roy with height .Somehow as much as McT wants Leon to have competition this move helps Leon more than the Oil and maybe that’s what should happen . Does McT & Eakins have that magic touch to beable to take Ribiero . Another small (height ) “C” but a guy who would get points . Is it worth the risk ? Is there a proven risk ? My memory says Sather gave McT a chance when Boston wouldn’t A gamble ? maybe ..

  10. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    malinpaul: I say we sign Moss to play with Hendricks and Gordon – and to increase the competition for spots on the team.

    Moss signed already. Back with Arizona

  11. Pouzar says:

    Prediction: Khaira plays with the big club this year for at least a few games.

  12. wheatnoil says:

    Pouzar,

    I choose Arco over Roy, but choose Roy as Arco/Draisaitl insurance.

    I think LT is right, you’ve got to give Arco a chance. If he was a free agent now, I’d be yelling to get him as a great low risk cheap bet. However, depth is a really good thing when there’s question marks at 2C and 3C.

    Competition for the top 9? We’re pretty close to actually seeing it happen.

  13. Shau-co says:

    To me the only option is trade. Even if we lose the trade long term, find us an experienced no. 2 or no. 3 centermen. To clarify by lose the trade long term, I am not talking about anything really crazy here, but we have to give up good assets to land good assets.

  14. russ99 says:

    Pouzar,

    Rushing Khaira would be much worse than plugging in Arco and Lander for 82 games.

    I’d be OK with even Handzus at this point if they limit his minutes.

  15. theres oil in virginia says:

    Hey, Jon Willis on the show. Excellent!

  16. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:

    Ha!

    I think the sentimental side is writing this one. Where’s that ornery guy with the crusty eye?

    My only rejoinder here would be that we don’t need to make this mutually exclusive. There nothing to stop the Oilers from signing Roy, or Loktionov, or Winnik, or Mueller, or some combination thereof AND still giving Arco a really good shot at the 2C position.

    Depth doesn’t have to mean bumping Arco back to OKC again or the Gazdic Cage.

    The ornery guy with the crusty eye is casting a stare in the direction of Craig MacTavish. This is beyond late, and he overplayed his hand.

    In regard to Winnik and others, absolutely! Trades too, which would be my preference. I would like a two-way center who can penalty kill, ideally.

  17. Pouzar says:

    russ99: Pouzar, Rushing Khaira would be much worse than plugging in Arco and Lander for 82 games. I’d be OK with even Handzus at this point if they limit his minutes.

    Just a prediction that he sees some games at some point. Certainly not at the beginning of the year barring a plethora of injuries. But I think he has the size and defensive chops to get a look see. We shall see.

  18. FastOil says:

    I think it comes down to the management’s priorities. If it’s playoffs, take the experience in Roy and don’t ask him to do things he can’t, give him support on the wings. If it’s development and the playoffs aren’t realistic, use Arco and see what you have there. Arco isn’t as much of a roll of the dice as the Russians, hamilton and Acton were. It was a small sample but when used to his strengths he did what he should.

  19. serum114 says:

    Ribs to the Preds, 1 year, 1 mil

  20. Bag of Pucks says:

    Small, slow center that’s poor defensively.

    So we’re replacing Gagner now…with Gagner?

  21. Ducey says:

    Roy only took about 460 face offs last year. He has been winning them at 45 and 46% the last two years. Plus he started only 18% of his shifts in the defensive zone last year. For all that he only put up 37 pts. Take out the 16 pts he got on the PP, and his 5 x 5 production is pretty underwhelming.

    I think he would be considerably worse than Gagner and might even get lost in the Belanger triangle.

    Could Leon put up 21 ES points with only 18% DZS, win 46% of his faceoffs and put up a Rel Corsi of -1.3%?

    Those numbers don’t look that far off of what Sean Monahan did in his rookie year.

    Having said all that, I would try really hard not to keep Leon next year. Send him back to junior, sign, Loktionov, Dalpe and Roy and them let them fight it out for the 3C behind Arco. Throw in Lander and maybe you are only looking at 35 games of Roy, unless he earns more

    Either that or have Semenko and Messier sit down with Ribeiro and explain the concept or “Last Chance Texaco” and then what will happen to him should he f up the kids.

    Edit: so much for Ribeiro

  22. spoiler says:

    @DarrenDreger: Paul Ranger has agreed to a 2 year deal to play in Geneva, Switzerland.

    Edit: Sorry, I know today’s post isn’t about defensemen

  23. Ribs says:

    serum114:
    Ribs to the Preds, 1 year, 1 mil

    Can I come back after the one year? If so, beers on me!

  24. Ducey says:

    Ribs: Can I come back after the one year? If so, beers on me!

    If you had been buying beers in the first place, we wouldn’t have let you go UFA.

  25. "Steve Smith" says:

    We should hire as many centres as we can while staying under the cap and not giving up anything of value to get them. Then we should send Draisaitl to junior.

    This isn’t about whether Marc Arcobello gets a chance – there is a gaping hole at centre between Nugent-Hopkins and Gordon, and if Arcobello proves anywhere near as competent as he was last year, there’s going to be a place for him there, Derek Roy or no Derek Roy.

    Nugent-Hopkins – Roy – Arcobello – Gordon is a recipe for a long year. But so is Nugent-Hopkins – Arcobello – Draisaitl – Gordon, or any other realistic combination you might care to mention. Let’s just try to make sure that the people frustrating us all year aren’t people who should be playing in the CHL.

  26. justDOit says:

    Ducey: If you had been buying beers in the first place, we wouldn’t have let you go UFA.

    But too many beers, and we’ll buy him out!

  27. PunjabiOil says:

    Jokinen 1 year 2.5M, Ribeiro 1 year 1.05M, and Josh Rimer says:

    Josh Rimer ‏@JoshRimerHockey 45m

    Looks like Derek Roy might have found a new home. Hearing Predators will be signing Roy.

    While I like the Oilers are using advanced stats, why aren’t they taking advantage of undervalued players on the market? It’s all about exploiting market inefficiencies. The Pouliot’s of the world should be signed before they become pricier. David Booth is a shining example of an undervalue player.

    When they’re running arco at 2C on opening night, MacT will be criticized.

    And rightfully so.

  28. vinotintazo says:

    PunjabiOil,

    maybe they dont want to come here?

    I would take a gamble, and if it doesnt work, put them on waivers.

  29. alice13 says:

    Agree with Steve Smith here, it’s not about Arco over Roy, that should be a given – as LT says give Arco 2C and see what he can do with it. But Roy or somebody of his ilk needs to be added to the depth chart because we’ve nowhere to go if an injury hits.

    That said, some centers will still shake free between now and actual season start. But we can’t be shopping in January when someone hits IR.

  30. nycoil says:

    @JoshRimerHockey
    Was told to expect Predators to also announce Derek Roy signing at Riberio press conference in next hour.

  31. nycoil says:

    http://predators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=726243

    And confirmed. Sorry, LT. 1-yr, $1M for Roy ($50K less than Ribeiro)

  32. Jordan says:

    Lowetide: We’ve passed the Last Chance Texaco, and the Last Chance Shell.

    Now all that’s left is try to make it home, or stopping at Joe’s Gas and Charm School.

    My desire to stop at Joe’s Gas and Charm School varries greatly depending on which Joe we’re talking about. Somehow, I don’t expect each would have the same degree of charm to teach…
    Joe Stallin?
    Joe of Nazereth?
    Joe DiMaggio?
    Joe Smith?
    Jo Stafford?
    Joe Valachi?
    Joe Fresh?

  33. nycoil says:

    Last Chance Texaco and Shell both signed by Nashville today, leaving us with Last Chance Gazprom and then a whole lot of question marks.

  34. RexLibris says:

    It seems pretty obvious what has happened this summer with the lack of moves to fill the 2C spot for the Oilers.

    MacTavish was waiting to acquire Jonathan Toews from the Hawks as part of the “future considerations” clause of the LaBarbera trade.

    Then of course Bowman double crosses him.

    When one has eliminated all other possibilities, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

  35. Ribs says:

    justDOit: But too many beers, and we’ll buy him out!

    Hmm… That may be a win all around!

  36. Pouzar says:

    Derek Roy has inked a one-year, $1 million contract with the Nashville Predators.

  37. vinotintazo says:

    we got out center! Andrew Miller!

  38. Pouzar says:

    DEPTH!!!!!

  39. justDOit says:

    Pouzar:
    DEPTH?????

    Fixed that for you.

  40. jake70 says:

    Anyone know how many offers Tamb…I mean MacT presented to all these free agents that were declined?

  41. Pouzar says:

    justDOit: Fixed that for you.

    Wicked Smahhhht Depth though!

  42. "Steve Smith" says:

    jake70,

    Of course not, but I somehow suspect that that won’t stop you.

  43. Pouzar says:

    jake70: Anyone know how many offers Tamb…I mean MacT presented to all these free agents that were declined?

    Tough crowd.

  44. kb says:

    Looks like Roy and Ribero just signed in nashville…. Looks like Arco it is….

  45. G Money says:

    Question for the masses: suppose the C depth chart of Arco, Lander, Draisaitl was enhanced with: Roy, Legwand, Ribeiro, etc …

    Is this a playoff team next year without them?

    Do any of the adds at 2C make this a playoff team?

    If not … next year is a make or break year for both Arco and Lander. If either of them prove able to handle the 4C spot in the long-term, the team is ahead.

    Is it really a bad thing to let them battle it out and the chips fall where they may?

    The main value of adding another C to my mind is simply that it puts Dr. Drai back in Jr for another year, not only enhancing his development, but also preserving his ELC for another year.

    The best possible outcome is that Arcander prove NHL ready at the 2C / 4C spots and in so doing, push D. D back to Jr anyway … thought I’m not holding my breath …

  46. nycoil says:

    G Money,

    As one of the masses, it’s not a playoff team with Roy or Ribeiro or Legwand. Waiting to see if Arco or Lander pan out is great in a vacuum but they’re burning another year on Hall’s contract, which will be down to 5 years after this coming season. Rather make some progress this year to get the momentum going in the right direction.

  47. Pouzar says:

    G Money,

    To answer the first 2 questions…No and No.

    Part of the Detroit model is actually letting the players play. Arco has ripped up the A and Lander has showed he can score down there as well. Give them a shot. They either sink or swim and we’ll all know once and for all. Why Arco fell out favor last year is beyond me and maybe MacT as well. I think he and Dallas have had a convo or two on Arco if this is what we are going into the season with.

  48. theres oil in virginia says:

    LT, that analogy is exactly what I’ve been thinking of MacT lately. He can’t fix the C position!!!

  49. nycoil says:

    “Now that I’ve ensured Edmonton will sign Derek Roy today…”
    Was that your way of reverse jinxing it to make sure it wouldn’t happen?

  50. kb says:

    I dont se a lineup that wont look something like below unless we sedn someone packing for 2C.
    Personally I’d liek to see Yak get a shot at RW1 (where he’d have to play defense, i dont liek that thought though), Ebs at RW2 and Purcell and Pouliot play with Drai.

    FORWARDS
    Taylor Hall ($6.000m) / Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($6.000m) / Jordan Eberle ($6.000m)
    David Perron ($3.813m) / Mark Arcobello ($0.600m) / Teddy Purcell ($4.500m)
    Benoit Pouliot ($4.000m) / Leon Draisaitl ($0.975m) / Nail Yakupov ($0.925m)
    Anton Lander ($0.600m) / Boyd Gordon ($3.000m) / Matt Hendricks ($1.850m)
    Luke Gazdic ($0.800m) / Tyler Pitlick ($1.000m) /
    DEFENSEMEN
    Martin Marincin ($0.730m) / Mark Fayne ($3.625m)
    Nikita Nikitin ($4.500m) / Jeff Petry ($3.075m)
    Justin Schultz ($4.500m) / Andrew Ference ($3.250m)
    Keith Aulie ($0.800m) /
    GOALTENDERS
    Viktor Fasth ($2.900m)
    Ben Scrivens ($2.300m)
    BUYOUTS
    Eric Belanger ($0.000m)
    BURIED
    Jesse Joensuu ($0.025m)
    BONUS OVERAGE
    $0
    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (estimations for 2014-15)
    SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,767,500; BONUSES: $2,990,000
    CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $3,232,500

  51. FastOil says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Small, slow center that’s poor defensively.

    So we’re replacing Gagner now…with Gagner?

    You’re probably right, after ditching Gagner he couldn’t really hire Roy. We also don’t know if anyone would sign.

    Still are we looking at thinking along the lines of ‘if I can’t have a big bad centre to battle western ogres and child eaters I’ll have nothing’ and so ice a fatally flawed team?

  52. PunjabiOil says:

    maybe they dont want to come here?

    I don’t like this excuse. Especially when used for second tier free agents who have no leverage.

    Legwand (3M), Jokinen (2.5M), Ribeiro (1M), Roy (1M) all got short term (only Legwand got more than 1 year) and are in no position of leverage to pick and choose teams. The Oilers are saturated with quality wingers. If would behoove them to dick around and take less money to play on a lesser team. Signing in Edmonton could have helped them pad their stats and get a longer term contract next summer. The Oilers also had the cap space to offer a $1-2M premium to each of those players if absolutely necessary.

    The more plausible theory is like Stauffer said, the Oilers had no interest in those guys.

  53. FastOil says:

    Connor, Connor, Connor, Connor!

  54. PunkInDrublic says:

    Stumbled across this on the Oilers app.

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=726194&navid=DL|EDM|home

    Is it just me, or does this article not scream MacT is trying to trade for a veteran 2C (leaving the 3C spot open to competition between Drai and MArco)?

  55. Rocknrolla says:

    Why isn’t Handzus in the conversation?

    Bigger guy, 6-2, 220

    Pk, veteran guy, face offs at 50%, but gives us some size and depth…

  56. G Money says:

    nycoil,

    Fair enough. So to extend the questioning … how much progress and/or momentum do any of the proposed adds provide?

    My opinion being that we won’t be a playoff team next year either way, another Hall year will be burned anyway, and the adds being considered don’t strike me as a huge upgrade on Arco. Not that I’m against adding C depth, especially because of the Dr. Drai/ELC and the injury angle, but I find it hard to get my shorts in a knot about a change that will likely mean just a few additional and likely inconsequential points next year.

  57. justDOit says:

    FastOil:
    … and so ice a fatally flawed team?

    Allow 40 shots through 2 periods, and hope Benny can stop 97% of them. Opposition is too tired to do much in the third, and so a Hall hattie wins it.

    Solid hockey tacticing right there!

  58. justDOit says:

    FastOil,

    Goner for Connor!

  59. nycoil says:

    G Money,

    Yeah, shorts not in a knot by any means over missing out on those guys. I think there was a legitimate question of whether the Oilers should have tried (assuming the player was interested) in trying to acquire a longer-term solution like Stastny or if the route to go was a one or two-year stop gap like Nikitin on D until Draisaitl was ready for the 2C role.

    I prefer the stop gap, but I’m not that fussed. MacT chose to focus on upgrading the wings I think when he realized Grabo or Stastny would cost too much money, and more importantly, term, and opted to go another route. I know there isn’t any evidence for me to back this up, but I’m still convinced he ideally wanted to get a veteran 2C, but seeing as one wouldn’t be available that was palatable, he went and got Purcell and Pouliot to help what he feared would be a very young C lineup.

  60. theres oil in virginia says:

    justDOit: Allow 40 shots through 2 periods, and hope Benny can stop 97% of them. Opposition is too tired to do much in the third, and so a Hall hattie wins it.

    Solid hockey tacticing right there!

    Rope-a-dope!

  61. FastOil says:

    Rocknrolla:
    Why isn’t Handzus in the conversation?

    Bigger guy, 6-2, 220

    Pk, veteran guy, face offs at 50%, but gives us some size and depth…

    To borrow one of my favourite comments of all time, sorry I can’t remember who wrote it about Foster, they could have the zamboni tow Handzus out to centre ice and leave him there.

    If he started right away for the bench he might make it there before the period was over (that part is all mine).

  62. Rocknrolla says:

    FastOil,

    Really that bad? Ok…guess that’s why he’s still out there.

  63. FastOil says:

    Rocknrolla:
    FastOil,

    Really that bad? Ok…guess that’s why he’s still out there.

    He’s just old now is all.

  64. OilClog says:

    Nashville signing Roy and Riberio?! Amazing! Neither are suited for 2C very glad they’re not Oilers.

    Teams still need to fix their cap situations, trades are coming.

    Try to raid Boston, Wash, or Philly.

  65. Hammers says:

    There goes my idea on Robiero . We always have Acton to call up .Oh my god .

  66. slopitch says:

    The Oilers need a legit 2C so Dr Drei can be the first prospect (that I remember) who is actually sheltered. I wouldnt have wanted Riberio near the kids and Roy is fading. Go get Anisimov! He has a 2 year deal which is the perfect bridge. Its structured in a way that CBJ want to move him and he may shake loose after the Johnsson contract finally settles. With Anisimov, LD can play one year in PA and have one year as 4C. By the time playoffs role around (yes playoffs!), he could be a difference maker as the 4th line could be a real bitch matchup wise.

  67. Soup Fascist says:

    Dumb question. Is Daniel Winnik still without a home? Did he not play center at some point in his career?

    I realize the guy can’t hit water from a boat offensively and has been a winger a large amount of his career. However, he is a big guy who is tough to play against and would be a sembelance of a depth player down the middle. At worst be a very good 4th line addition. The price / term should be reasonable.

    Barring a trade we are going down the Arco / Leon road. What are the chances they are both solid contributors next year in the 2 / 3 slot? Winnik is no one’s first choice, but I am not sure what else is out there anymore.

    Maybe he signed and I missed it or there is some other issue. Thoughts?

  68. Ducey says:

    PunjabiOil: maybe they dont want to come here?I don’t like this excuse. Especially when used for second tier free agents who have no leverage.Legwand (3M), Jokinen (2.5M), Ribeiro (1M), Roy (1M) all got short term (only Legwand got more than 1 year) and are in no position of leverage to pick and choose teams. The Oilers are saturated with quality wingers. If would behoove them to dick around and take less money to play on a lesser team. Signing in Edmonton could have helped them pad their stats and get a longer term contract next summer. The Oilers also had the cap space to offer a $1-2M premium to each of those players if absolutely necessary.The more plausible theory is like Stauffer said, the Oilers had no interest in those guys.

    I would have liked the Oilers to have signed one of those guys for depth and to make sure Leon was ready, but not at a $1-2 Million premium.

    I expect those players had lots of suitors, just that none were willing to pony up any more than what they got.

    Not sure that I would be excited as a Preds fan at the prospect of watching Roy, Ollie and Ribeiro as three of their centers. Throw in Matt Cullen and Paul Gaustad up front, and well, Yuk.

  69. justDOit says:

    Off topic, but there are Klima days until the regular season starts! That’s 85 days for you young, whippersnappers.

    To put that back on-topic, it means MacT still has a lot of time to drum up a trade for 2C, or to teach Petry how to take a faceoff.

  70. Jordan says:

    Rocknrolla,

    Because Handzus is terrible. Was a bad player with Kane on his wing, and Toews playing the toughs. Would be worse here with poorer depth ahead and no con smythe wingers. And now he’s another year older/slower/weaker.

    If there is a trade coming, I expect that to get that #2C, it’s Perron + Petry for…. ???

    If there is no trade coming… Maybe the depth chart is RNH, Arco, Gordon, Hendricks? Have Lander & Pitlick play the zonestarts with Henny? Have Action Saxon play 9 games in Arco’s place to see how he looks, and then send him back?

    That’s not great, because our 4th line becomes more porridge-like again, but our 3 line becomes really nice, no?

  71. Bag of Pucks says:

    My hope is that contract talks continue to go south with O’Reilly in Col and eventually MacT lands him.

    The fit is too good for both teams.

    Avs need a good D prospect to add to their core. Oil have Klef, Nurse, Marincin, Schultz, etc. in the stable.

    O’Reilly can slot up to 2C while Dr Drai develops and then push Arco off 3C to 4C when Gordon starts to feel his age.

    The key in all this I suspect is landing RoR would likely push the Oil through the $6m ceiling they’ve set with the core contracts. My hope is that the ‘relationship’ sours sufficiently btw the Avs and RoR to push the player out without a team having to trade a nice prospect AND back up the Brinks truck on the contract.

  72. Ducey says:

    Soup Fascist,

    Winnik has taken 69, 66, 53, and 196 faceoffs over each of the last 4 years. A full time center is usually around 900+. Last year he won on 43% of them.. Doesn’t look like a C to me.

    And he can hit the water, just only 5% of the time.

  73. Frank The Dog says:

    Hey LT, a small tech glitch – I use the IE that is bundled with the W8.1 Desktop, and every time the site loads with that EPCOR advert with lightning in the background, the rest of the page goes blank.

    The workaround is to refresh the screen until the advert goes away, however in case anyone else uses IE any more, and is experiencing this, your techie fellow may want to turn his attention to that.

    Re: Arco: It just seems like “common sense” to me (is that a bad word?) not to bring in any center that suffers from a size disadvantage or has numbers that are not as good as Arco’s were with good players. If their numbers match Arco’s and they are 6″1″ 200+ lbs, and can be had cheap on a short term contract right next to the other unicorn, the affordable #1D, go right ahead. But Arco with size should be the standard to beat.

    So I’m glad Roy’s gone, and I would have lost a lot of confidence in the silver fox had he pulled him in.

    I’m suspecting Arco with Perron or Pouliot on the left and Purcell on the right will do just fine, which means a significantly better +/- for the line than Gags provided.

    I think that the players we have acquired are mostly equal to or better than the ones we let go, so I think we will have a better team than last year, perhaps even in the running for the playoffs towards the end of the season.

    I think Hemsky just needed a fresh start elsewhere, he was just stale here and I’m sure he had his fill of the coaches.

    I wish we could have kept Belov for another year, just to see what Ramsey could have done for him, seeing as Belov made it clear what he thought about the coaching here, not sure whether he was referring to Eakins, Smith or both. Nonetheless MacT has brought in good replacements so all’s good.

    It does seem though that we will make our playoff run once most of Marincin, Klefbom, Drei, Nurse, Khaira and Simpson are up and running at the NHL level, along with the original young core, which should coincide with the new stadium. We can only dream what winning a Stanley in that new stadium would be like. I think the heads of maybe 1 million people would explode after all these years.

  74. RexLibris says:

    Pouzar:
    DEARTH!!!!!

    Originally read this as the above. Thought it made sense, but my eyes were apparently playing tricks on me.

  75. G Money says:

    Bag of Pucks: My hope is that the ‘relationship’ sours sufficiently btw the Avs and RoR to push the player out without a team having to trade a nice prospect AND back up the Brinks truck on the contract.

    The problem is that regardless of how sour the relationship gets, if RoR goes on the market, it will likely be quite a competitive bidding situation, so I doubt if it will be a bargain trade-assets wise.

  76. PunjabiOil says:

    I would have liked the Oilers to have signed one of those guys for depth and to make sure Leon was ready, but not at a $1-2 Million premium.

    Why not?

    The Oilers have north of 8M in cap space, with only Schultz left to sign.

    Is vacant cap space going to help us win games?

    This also, assumes a guy like Jokinen/Ribeiro/Legwand/Roy would not sign in Edmonton even if offered a premium as small as 0.25M-0.50M.

    If you’re willing to pay a premium in both dollars and terms on a winger like Pouliot, is it an issue to overpay for a 1 year contract for a position in need?

    MacT says alot of smart things – but often times fails to execute. It’s baffling – these are simple solutions, visible to everyone and their mother.

  77. godot10 says:

    1) Anisimov won’t be available in a trade until Johanssen signs.
    2) Philly is still desparate to trade Lecavalier. Nashville is putting the screws to Hextall. When Hextall surrenders, some of those centres Nashville just signed will be on the waiver wire.
    3) Brooks Laich could shake loose yet once the Capitals acquiesce and eat some salary.
    4) The Islanders have too many centres. Somebody will be available.
    5) If Patrick Sharp gets traded, that could set off a lot of centre dominoes. Ditto Joe Thornton or Patrick Marleau

    Roy and Ribeiro need to be heavily protected so they don’t really help. I’d rather get a solid defensive centre so Nugent-Hopkins doesn’t have to kill penaties and can get better zone starts.

    The Oilers are 3rd on the waiver selection priority to start the season. Buffalo and Florida will not be considering centres in all likelihood. So the OIlers are basically first in line for any centre who goes on waivers before the season.

  78. Marcus Oilerius says:

    G Money: The problem is that regardless of how sour the relationship gets, if RoR goes on the market, it will likely be quite a competitive bidding situation, so I doubt if it will be a bargain trade-assets wise.

    Agreed.

    I think O’Reilly has done some damage to his own reputation with a second consecutive nasty negotiation over money (regardless of how much fault is directly his), but not enough to scare away potential suitors. How many teams in the league desperately want that second line centre with youth?

    Detroit needs to re-stock and this could be a way to avoid a total rebuild for them. Toronto would love to have an O’Reilly as a first line centre, never mind second. Minnesota is desperate for depth up front. St. Louis is now looking for options with Sobotka gone. Dallas would love to slot Eakin down one line and have a reliable two-way centre to play with Nichushkin. You know what, it’s going to be easier to list the teams that wouldn’t bid high for him, mostly because they’d have to give up too much for a marginal improvement on their 2nd or 3rd unit:

    Buffalo (McDavid/Eichel lottery), LA, Anaheim, Chicago, Boston.

    Calgary already has two legit centre prospects and I don’t think they’re ready to bail on the McDavid/Eichel lottery. The same thinking may apply in Edmonton, because surely management is aware that we’re not a playoff team even with O’Reilly on the roster.

    I think the Oilers easily get outbid by teams already in playoff position, looking to improve.

  79. godot10 says:

    The Leafs will probably offer Phaneuf for O’Reilly. That will be a pretty tough offer for anyone to beat.

  80. Big Dan says:

    Flag this thread when Drasaitl goes lights out this season and scores 45 points as a rookie. MacT saw enough to believe in him.

    So many rookies lately have stepped right in, like say Landeskog. Drasaitl will be our 2C next year alongside two strong wingers in Perron and Purcell. He is being set up for success.

    If he becomes a streaky 30-ish point rookie, he’s on the 3rd line with Pouliot and Yakupov. Either way, Drasaitl will NOT be sent to junior. Accept it, my friends.

    I am glad MacT passed on duds like Roy and Jokinen, and drunks like Ribeiro. Arcobello is better than all of them. I love LT’s analogy of “utility outfielder”. Arco can play C or RW on any line when injuries strike- just keep him away from Gazdic and he’s fine.

    I am looking forward to good seasons from Leon and Marco… that being said, I would have liked David Legwand for insurance. He would have been perfect. Fast, tough, smart, experienced. Since MacT passed on him, godspeed Arcobello. Love that kid.

  81. Ducey says:

    PunjabiOil: I would have liked the Oilers to have signed one of those guys for depth and to make sure Leon was ready, but not at a $1-2 Million premium.Why not?The Oilers have north of 8M in cap space, with only Schultz left to sign.Is vacant cap space going to help us win games?This also, assumes a guy like Jokinen/Ribeiro/Legwand/Roy would not sign in Edmonton even if offered a premium as small as 0.25M-0.50M.If you’re willing to pay a premium in both dollars and terms on a winger like Pouliot, is it an issue to overpay for a 1 year contract for a position in need?MacT says alot of smart things – but often times fails to execute. It’s baffling – these are simple solutions, visible to everyone and their mother.

    My mother noticed that vacant cap space is pretty valuable. I bet MacT’s did too.

    Its one thing to sign Roy to a $1 million contract. You can waive him, and if he clears, farm him out and he only costs you $100 K max vs the Cap.

    Its another to sign him to a $3 million contract. That still costs you $2 million to waive him (no one is picking him up at that) and have him on the farm.

    This team is not making the playoffs. So to impact your ability to take on salary in September and mid season just for a quick fix doesn’t make a lot of sense.

    MacT has to have the ability to take advantage of other teams’ cap problems. Its one of the few advantages he has.

    If its a choice between waiting on the bigger contract on a mystery player behind door #2 and Derek Roy, I’ll pick door #2.

  82. justDOit says:

    godot10,

    If only the Leafs had a center like Steen, then the Phanny RoR trade would really set them up nicely down the middle.

  83. vinotintazo says:

    godot10:

    The Oilers are 3rd on the waiver selection priority to start the season.Buffalo and Florida will not be considering centres in all likelihood.So the OIlers are basically first in line for any centre who goes on waivers before the season.

    this

  84. Ice Sage says:

    godot10: 1) Anisimov won’t be available in a trade until Johanssen signs.2) Philly is still desparate to trade Lecavalier. Nashville is putting the screws to Hextall. When Hextall surrenders, some of those centres Nashville just signed will be on the waiver wire.3) Brooks Laich could shake loose yet once the Capitals acquiesce and eat some salary.4) The Islanders have too many centres. Somebody will be available.5) If Patrick Sharp gets traded, that could set off a lot of centre dominoes. Ditto Joe Thornton or Patrick MarleauRoy and Ribeiro need to be heavily protected so they don’t really help. I’d rather get a solid defensive centre so Nugent-Hopkins doesn’t have to kill penaties and can get better zone starts.The Oilers are 3rd on the waiver selection priority to start the season. Buffalo and Florida will not be considering centres in all likelihood. So the OIlers are basically first in line for any centre who goes on waivers before the season.

    Thanks for this cooler perspective, Godot –

    Sometimes the Lowetidosphere forgets to see the forest for the trees – there are a lot of pieces left and moves to be made in this NHL summer roster chessgame. Ribiero and Roy would continue the ‘bad habits, I’m in it for me’ pattern all-too-common in the Oilers recent history. Non merci.

    MacT is sporting a lid in this battle and I salute him

  85. Woodguy says:

    godot10:
    1) Anisimov won’t be available in a trade until Johanssen signs.
    2) Philly is still desparate to trade Lecavalier.Nashville is putting the screws to Hextall.When Hextall surrenders, some of those centres Nashville just signed will be on the waiver wire.
    3) Brooks Laich could shake loose yet once the Capitals acquiesce and eat some salary.
    4) The Islanders have too many centres.Somebody will be available.
    5) If Patrick Sharp gets traded, that could set off a lot of centre dominoes.Ditto Joe Thornton or Patrick Marleau

    Roy and Ribeiro need to be heavily protected so they don’t really help.I’d rather get a solid defensive centre so Nugent-Hopkins doesn’t have to kill penaties and can get better zone starts.

    The Oilers are 3rd on the waiver selection priority to start the season.Buffalo and Florida will not be considering centres in all likelihood.So the OIlers are basically first in line for any centre who goes on waivers before the season.

    All good stuff except #4.

    I was under that impression too but some NYI bloggers/fans say it differently.

    1C – Tavares
    2C – Grabbo
    3C – Strome (soft scoring similar to EDM 3rd line)
    4C – Neilsen (tough zone start heavies)

    They are going to run Nelson with Tavares and Okposo.
    Cizikas will be on the 4th, but not 4C.

    I still think if the offer is good enough you can pry Neilsen out of there, but it won’t be cheap as management appreciates what he does, he has 2 years left, and Snow knows if he missed the playoffs he’s out the door.

  86. bendelson says:

    Big Dan,

    Love the wild optimism Big Dan.
    Where the hell does all that confidence come from?
    Left field perhaps?

  87. hags9k says:

    I actually am liking our roster more and more these days. As usual, the summer sun starts to tint my glasses pink about now…

    Keys to a possible playoff season:

    1. Scrivens, here’s 60 starts kid, let’s see what you got.
    2. Ramsey, the D zone and the special teams.
    3. Fayne, how good is this guy?
    4. Nuge, he will take another step, and 4 and 14 will be right there ready to benefit.
    5. Schultz/Yak/Drai/Nurse, are we selling these young talents short with overly conservative expectations? What are our playoff chances if we win the Calder this year? Lord knows we are due!
    6. Arco at 2C. Monster assignment, monster opportunity, agree with LT, glad he appears to be getting this chance.

    GOILERS!!!

  88. Woodguy says:

    PunjabiOil:
    I would have liked the Oilers to have signed one of those guys for depth and to make sure Leon was ready, but not at a $1-2 Million premium.

    Why not?

    The Oilers have north of 8M in cap space, with only Schultz left to sign.

    Is vacant cap space going to help us win games?

    This also, assumes a guy like Jokinen/Ribeiro/Legwand/Roy would not sign in Edmonton even if offered a premium as small as 0.25M-0.50M.

    If you’re willing to pay a premium in both dollars and terms on a winger like Pouliot, is it an issue to overpay for a 1 year contract for a position in need?

    MacT says alot of smart things –but often times fails to execute.It’s baffling – these are simple solutions, visible to everyone and their mother.

    Given that MacT’s recent track record isn’t one of idiocy and he has publicly stated he wants to upgrade C often this summer, I think we have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

    I’ve been saying he didn’t want a half asses solution to 2C (Roy, Ribero, even Legwand)

    I think he’s aiming higher and something is in the works.

  89. justDOit says:

    Woodguy: Given that MacT’s recent track record isn’t one of idiocy and he has publicly stated he wants to upgrade C often this summer, I think we have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

    I’ve been saying he didn’t want a half asses solution to 2C (Roy, Ribero, even Legwand)

    I think he’s aiming higher and something is in the works.

    If MacT hadn’t mentioned upgrading center, we would think that he’s an idiot.

    85 days before there is two points at stake, and I patiently hope for the best!

  90. HiddenDarts says:

    Woodguy:
    This is pretty awesome https://twitter.com/Mike_Wntrz/status/489126813323378689/photo/1

    Sorry… I’m lacking context here. Why is this funny?

  91. hags9k says:

    HiddenDarts,

    I also found that to be not awesome.

  92. speeds says:

    Woodguy,

    At the same time, is it unreasonable to mention that many identified C as a position that EDM could have further strengthened last summer, but EDM’s management either didn’t agree with that assessment, or did but were unable to improve the C position?

  93. PunjabiOil says:

    Its one thing to sign Roy to a $1 million contract. You can waive him, and if he clears, farm him out and he only costs you $100 K max vs the Cap.

    Its another to sign him to a $3 million contract. That still costs you $2 million to waive him (no one is picking him up at that) and have him on the farm.

    Yeah, but you’re assuming it would:

    1. Roy wouldn’t sign in Edmonton if he was offered the same contract as Nashville
    2. It would take $2M in overpayment for him to sign in Edmonton.

    The reality is, Edmonton has better wingers, a better opportunity to pad up stats to secure a long-term contract next summer. The Oilers likely just weren’t interest and didn’t offer him a contract.

    If MacT does not address the C depth this summer, it will be his inactivity this summer (with a supply in the market) that caused it. No excuses.

  94. Woodguy says:

    HiddenDarts: Sorry… I’m lacking context here. Why is this funny?

    Mike Winters has been a long suffering Oiler fan and often writes cartoon about them.

    I guess you had to be there for rebuilds 1-4 to find comedy in Lowe helming rebuild 15

  95. Woodguy says:

    speeds:
    Woodguy,

    At the same time, is it unreasonable to mention that many identified C as a position that EDM could have further strengthened last summer, but EDM’s management either didn’t agree with that assessment, or did but were unable to improve the C position?

    That’s just it, did they try or not see the hole?

    Are you talking summer 2013?

  96. HiddenDarts says:

    Woodguy: Mike Winters has been a long suffering Oiler fan and often writes cartoon about them.

    I guess you had to be there for rebuilds 1-4 to find comedy in Lowe helming rebuild 15

    Ah. So it’s a bit of a post-traumatic stress disorder-based giggle. I see.

  97. Ducey says:

    PunjabiOil: Its one thing to sign Roy to a $1 million contract. You can waive him, and if he clears, farm him out and he only costs you $100 K max vs the Cap.Its another to sign him to a $3 million contract. That still costs you $2 million to waive him (no one is picking him up at that) and have him on the farm.Yeah, but you’re assuming it would:1. Roy wouldn’t sign in Edmonton if he was offered the same contract as Nashville2. It would take $2M in overpayment for him to sign in Edmonton.The reality is, Edmonton has better wingers, a better opportunity to pad up stats to secure a long-term contract next summer. The Oilers likely just weren’t interest and didn’t offer him a contract.If MacT does not address the C depth this summer, it will be his inactivity this summer (with a supply in the market) that caused it. No excuses.

    I am not assuming anything. I am taking your parameters. You said you would pay a premium of $1-2 million to divert them from NASH. That would be a poor idea.

    You have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. To accuse MacTivity of inactivitymakes me wonder where you and your mom have been. By all accounts he is working his butt off trying to upgrade the team and has flipped over a ton of the roster. If he wasn’t active, he would have just hung onto Gagner.

    For what its worth the NASH guy at Hockeybuzz had this to say:

    Here’s the other interesting twist to this story… both of these players sought out the Predators, saying specifically that they wanted to play here… wanted to be a part of what is being built. They spent significant time with the team and in the city and apparently liked what they saw.

  98. rickithebear says:

    OilClog:
    If it’s a choice of Arco or Roy between Nuge and the mad King…I take neither. Dallas will kill our sweet sweet Nuge playing him 35 a night. The Oilers must upgrade to a man in the middle that relieves the Nuge, neither of these guys will do what the teams needs. Another Gordon with more offensive bite to his game.

    Point production the last 2 seasons:
    1st line is top 90
    2nd line is top 180
    3rd is top 270

    Hall (6) 1st comp 57.9% ZS
    Eberle (25) 1st/2nd comp 55.8%
    Perron (65) 1st comp 49.8%
    RNH (69) 1st comp 59.0%
    Purcell (74) 1st comp 56.2%
    ——————————-2nd line
    Pouliot (154) 2nd comp 51.5%
    Arco (154) 2nd/3rd comp 47.7%
    Yak (162) 2nd comp 63.9%
    —————————–3rd line
    Gordon (243) 2nd comp 20.0%
    ———————————-4th line
    Hendricks 3rd comp 26.8%
    Jeonsuu 3rd comp 32.2%

    Arco Playing C
    Fo%: Fischer; Goc
    Hit: Fisher; Boyle
    Takeaways: Dubinsky
    EVP/60: Tavares; Spezza

    Seguin (12) 1st comp 58.7%
    Benn (18) 1st comp 57.1%
    —————————-2nd line
    Spezza (98) 2nd/3rd comp 55.1%
    Hemsky (125) 2nd comp 48.5%
    Eakin (141) 2nd comp 49.3%
    Nischuskin 2nd comp 54.6%
    Chaisson 3rd comp 55.7%
    ——————————3rd line
    Peverly (192) 2nd comp 53.4%
    Rousell (206) 2nd comp 41.3%
    Garbutt (208) 2nd comp 43.9%
    Fiddler (220) 4th comp 43.1%
    Cole (238) 3rd comp 53.6%
    Horcoff (257) 3rd comp 53.4%

  99. speeds says:

    Woodguy: That’s just it, did they try or not see the hole?

    Are you talking summer 2013?

    summer 2013, with Grabovski in particular, but even just generally.

  100. kb says:

    http://www.mc79hockey.com/2014/07/signing-schultz/

    Has anyone took a look at this?
    With the names on this list it seems Schultz should be happy with 4 or 5 x 4MM?
    Not a giant raise from what he’s making, but lock him up long term? Not sure how Schultz’s side woudl argue this unless he wants a short term deal (which he would have to take a pay cut if the Oil was smart?)

  101. OilClog says:

    rickithebear: Point production the last 2 seasons:
    1st line is top 90
    2nd line is top 180
    3rd is top 270

    Hall (6) 1st comp 57.9% ZS
    Eberle (25) 1st/2nd comp 55.8%
    Perron (65) 1st comp 49.8%
    RNH (69) 1st comp 59.0%
    Purcell (74)1st comp 56.2%
    ——————————-2nd line
    Pouliot (154) 2nd comp 51.5%
    Arco (154)2nd/3rd comp47.7%
    Yak (162)2nd comp63.9%
    —————————–3rd line
    Gordon (243)2nd comp20.0%
    ———————————-4th line
    Hendricks3rd comp 26.8%
    Jeonsuu3rd comp 32.2%

    Arco Playing C
    Fo%: Fischer; Goc
    Hit: Fisher; Boyle
    Takeaways: Dubinsky
    EVP/60: Tavares; Spezza

    Seguin (12) 1st comp 58.7%
    Benn (18)1st comp 57.1%
    —————————-2nd line
    Spezza (98) 2nd/3rd comp 55.1%
    Hemsky (125) 2nd comp 48.5%
    Eakin (141) 2nd comp 49.3%
    Nischuskin2nd comp 54.6%
    Chaisson 3rd comp 55.7%
    ——————————3rd line
    Peverly (192) 2nd comp 53.4%
    Rousell (206) 2nd comp 41.3%
    Garbutt (208) 2nd comp 43.9%
    Fiddler (220) 4th comp 43.1%
    Cole (238) 3rd comp 53.6%
    Horcoff (257) 3rd comp 53.4%

    Sweet.

    If Nuge goes down and Arco the #2 becomes #1..

    We need more from the 2C then just point production or we would of never gotten rid of what’s his name..

    Arco just won’t survive in the Bigs as a 2C with the Nuge as the 1C.. And if he does.. Oilers are going nowhere.

  102. PunjabiOil says:

    I am not assuming anything. I am taking your parameters. You said you would pay a premium of $1-2 million to divert them from NASH. That would be a poor idea.

    Time will tell if it’s a poor idea. I suspect the Oilers will be running into the season with Arco at 2C. But hey, cap space!

    Never mind the fact Drasaitl and Yakupov are unlikely to hit all bonuses, which enhances the cap space further.


    You have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. To accuse MacTivity of inactivitymakes me wonder where you and your mom have been. By all accounts he is working his butt off trying to upgrade the team and has flipped over a ton of the roster. If he wasn’t active, he would have just hung onto Gagner
    .

    What I do know is there were 4 center options this summer that went for cheap on both term and dollar, and MacT felt there were better options.

    Time will tell if that was the right move, but going the trade route will cost assets.

    I think it’s very reasonable to say MacT deserves criticism his way if he doesn’t provide solutions on opening night down the middle.

    This isn’t a co-ed recreational league. It’s a results oriented business.


    For what its worth the NASH guy at Hockeybuzz had this to say:

    Here’s the other interesting twist to this story… both of these players sought out the Predators, saying specifically that they wanted to play here… wanted to be a part of what is being built. They spent significant time with the team and in the city and apparently liked what they saw..

    Meh. PR. Cliche interviews.

  103. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: That’s just it, did they try or not see the hole?

    Are you talking summer 2013?

    June 13 to now

    Retains:
    Hall; Eberle; RNH; Yak ; Petry; J. schultz.

    Adds:
    Perron(UFA)-Arco(UFA)-Purcell (Trade)
    Pouliot(UFA)-XXX-XXX
    Hendricks(trade)-Gordon(UFA)-XXX
    Gazdic(waiver)-Jeonsuu(UFA)

    Ference(UFA)-XXX
    Nikitin(Trade)-Fayne(UFA)
    XXX-XXX
    Aulie(UFA)

    Scrivens(trade)
    Fasth(trade)

    PS:
    a Center who goes into the corner with W. Mitchell.
    Drives him up and comes away with possesion.
    51% FO
    1.9 Hits/gm at higher rate than Fisher or Boyle.
    But uses the hit the same way
    trying to force and turnover possession.
    Consious of position.
    Forces turnover at a rate like Dubinsky; Grabovsky; and Fisher
    Has EVP/60 in the Spezza;Tavares range.

    Arcobello 15 gm 10G 18A 1.87PPG in AHL
    Nyquist 15 gm 7G 14A 1.40PPG
    Bonino 1.16 PPG
    Desharnais 1.29 PPG

    Centers
    Lander 1PPG
    Yakimov .21GPG KHL 59% FO 5.3 EVP/60 CHLE
    Khaira shutdown calder champs.

  104. Woodguy says:

    speeds: summer 2013, with Grabovski in particular, but even just generally.

    I wept openly after he went through waivers.

  105. Woodguy says:

    HiddenDarts: Ah. So it’s a bit of a post-traumatic stress disorder-based giggle. I see.

    It’s not post-tramatic until they make the playoffs.

    Until then it’s just 9 years of trama.

  106. nycoil says:

    speeds,

    Edit– Oops, you wrote 2013. My mistake. I apologize for addressing this to you. Agreed he was there on waivers for the taking but the Oilers were committed to Samwise then.

    It takes two to tango, or three in the case of Grabovski.

    1) Grabovski and Kulemin wanted to play together
    2) Grabovski and Kulemin both got paid a lot of money over a long term to play in Brooklyn
    3) Kulemin is on record saying he can’t wait to be in the large Russian community in Brooklyn in particular
    4) MacT is on record saying Pouliot was his number one target (and not Kulemin).
    5) It is possible MacT didn’t want to commit for 5 years and term to a “stop-gap” 2C with LD on the way at some point soon.

    I bet he kicked the fences early on but moved on to plans B, C, etc.: look for a shorter term solution at 2C, otherwise strengthen the wings to support the young centres.

  107. nycoil says:

    Woodguy,

    Agree with your assessment of the Isles from what I read over here, but I think they have Strome on the wing as well. They did most of the time as they broke him in last year.

    Nelson-Tavares-Okposo
    Kulemin-Grabovski-Strome
    Grabner-Nielsen-Bailey
    Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck

    With a healthy Tavares I really like that lineup in the weak East. Isles have done a lot to improve. And they added Halak as well. The only issue is that their blue line is very young (de Haan-Hamonic likely top pair with Griffin Reinhart on the way)–sound familiar?

    They can afford to keep Dal Colle, Ho-Sang (if he makes it), etc., in junior another year at the very least before looking to move any of the above forwards.

  108. Big Dan says:

    bendelson:
    Big Dan,

    Love the wild optimism Big Dan.
    Where the hell does all that confidence come from?
    Left field perhaps?

    I honestly don’t think MacT is aiming high for a 2C at all. Lately, the vast majority of high draft picks have been able to step right in and have impressive rookie seasons. Draisaitl will be playing with strong wingers and not have a lot of pressure on him.

    2009 – Tavares, Hedman, Duchene

    2010 – Hall, Seguin

    2011 – the Nuge, Landeskog

    2012 top three- Nail Yakupov, Ryan Murray, Alex Galchenyuk all impressive rookie seasons

    2013 – MacKinnon, Barkov, Jones all impressive rookie seasons (Drouin held back)

    Why not Draisaitl? It’s not like he is being expected to be some kind of franchise saviour. Just soft 2C minutes. I think he’ll easily surpass Derek Roy. I am glad to see MacT taking his time and leaving himself options.

    If he’s not ready, then Arco has training camp to beat him out and show the coaches he is ready for prime time.

    If he shows to only be a utility left fielder :), then MacT has 3rd dibs on the waiver wire. He would prefer to wait and see how it plays out before committing cap space and a roster spot to someone he may not need.

    I think he is perhaps saving up for the deadline if we’re in the playoff race (if Yak & Dras bonuses are not maxed out), or considering a top D like Phaneuf.

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