HARD TARGET SEARCH: DALLAS

During the TSN 1260 morning show on Friday, Ryan Rishaug mentioned “Petry and a 2nd” as a possible asset package that would be effective in acquiring a useful center. For me, that’s an exceptional amount of gold and silver heading out, we’d need to get a very nice return. Right?

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Cody Eakin is a really nice player. He’s not an offensive dynamo but he can post crooked numbers offensively. Eakin is active in the faceoff circle and better than most of the Edmonton C’s at the discipline. He’s 6.0, 190 and is a two-way player. If someone passes him on the center depth chart he’s an effective wing. He scored 16 goals last season—12 at evens, 3 on the power play and one a man short. He’s 23 years old and is an RFA looking for a raise. He does NOT play with the elite forwards Dallas employs. He does not get a zone start push.

Cody Eakin is a helluva hockey player, under control, can bridge for the German and then move up or down, left or right. Is he worth Petry and a 2nd? No. But maybe they throw Jamie Oleksiak in for the trouble. Only problem there is it might send David Staples to the rapture.

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  1. Rondo says:

    LT,

    What about Brock Nelson or is he not enough or untouchable?

  2. OilClog says:

    I want a Stall, realistically at this point in the Nuges career.. It would be the wisest move for this organization to find a man down the middle that puts the Nuge in a prime 2C role allowing him to flourish.

  3. flyfish1168 says:

    I mention this in the previous post.

    Dallas definitely has depth in the middle. Down in the AHL they have Travis Morin. Someone we maybe able to pry out of the Stars.
    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/travis_morin/
    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=67591

    Probably cheaper and sounds like an effective player that needs a chance

  4. Henry says:

    MacT keeps mentioning that they want size to compete in the division and he has followed through with Nikitin, Purcell, Pouliot and Aulie. My guess is that he is looking for someone bigger than Eakin. His numbers look very good though.

    As do Garbutt’s. I had no idea, just saw him as a decent skating pain in the rear.

  5. jb says:

    Reasonable option. Though this is where the bold move needs to come into play. That 2C position could make or break this teams chances at the playoffs next year. I do think there’s a chance we can pull a Colorado, or Columbus next year.

  6. gd says:

    I would for sure do a Eakin for Petry trade with whatever non-1st rd picks and B level prospects need to fill out the trade. I can’t imagine he is available, but he is unsigned, Spezza has now passed him on the depth chart and they literally have no Right shooting Dmen, so there could be a situation where they would do an overpay for Petry.

  7. gd says:

    I also think with some the new additions, size is not as necessary as effectiveness. With Eakin we might not match up with Anaheim, but I would say we would match up okay in C versus over 20 teams in the league. I think he is way better than Berglund, and almost as good as Sutter.

  8. striatic says:

    Whatever the package going out, if it involves Petry there needs to be an actual NHL D-Man coming back.

    Even if it is a third pairing type, strictly for depth reasons.

    ..and holy hopscotch does Garbutt look amazing on the Vollman. damn.

  9. SinceTheWHADays says:

    Why are y’all convinced MacT is going to trade Petry? Is The saddle not as good as say…Monahan? What about JjK? By the sounds of things from the post I read about the fellow out in Jasper the guy is a menace! Plus we have Arco and Lander with a clear indication they’ll get a shot as the stop gap and didn’t Percell play a bit of Center. If we need a stop gap, and I’m not sure we do, why trade away our own developed player(Petry) only to need to find another stop gap at D. Sheesh!!!

  10. striatic says:

    SinceTheWHADays: The saddle not as good as say…Monahan?

    Monahan’s last year is exactly the reason the Oilers need a legitimate 2C.

    If Draisaitl is merely as good as Monahan was last year, keeping him up would be a terrible idea.

  11. SinceTheWHADays says:

    striatic,

    Why? If I remember correctly Monahan held his own pretty dam well. Why can’t we just ween the saddle into the line-up as a third line winger and let Ramsey et all develop him with men. The price would be better than the couple mil + assets to find a stop gap.

  12. Bank Shot says:

    I would like Eakin. The only problem I guess is that Dallas is going to be real tight against the cap and seeing as Eakin is further from UFA they could pound down his salary more then they could Petry’s.

    I don’t think they can afford to pay Petry $4 with Roussel, and Dillion still left to sign.

  13. SinceTheWHADays says:

    I just think now that we have a legit D; trading Petry may be filling a hole only to create a bigger one.

  14. SinceTheWHADays says:

    The only way I trade Petry is for an upgrade at D not to fill the hole at C.

  15. Esa10 says:

    What is Boston going to do?

    They have to spend at least 6 million just to field a line-up, with only 2 million in cap space. That Rask contract is already handcuffing them.

    If the Oilers trade Petry, then Boychuk is ripe for the picking.

  16. Ducey says:

    Is the difference between Leon and Eakin worth Petry and a 2nd?

    I don’t think so.

  17. SinceTheWHADays says:

    Esa10,

    Exactamundo!

  18. Ducey says:

    Esa10: What is Boston going to do?They have to spend at least 6 million just to field a line-up, with only 2 million in cap space. That Rask contract is already handcuffing them. If the Oilers trade Petry, then Boychuk is ripe for the picking.

    Savard will go on LTIR. That’s another $4 million

  19. Henry says:

    Esa10,

    Exactly. Trade talent for picks. They have to sign Reilly Smith, Krug and Bartkowski to bridges.

  20. Henry says:

    SinceTheWHADays:
    Why are y’all convinced MacT is going to trade Petry? Is The saddle not as good as say…Monahan?What about JjK? By the sounds of things from the post I read about the fellow out in Jasper the guy is a menace!Plus we have Arco and Lander with a clear indication they’ll get a shot as the stop gap and didn’t Percell play a bit of Center. If we need a stop gap, and I’m not sure we do, why trade away our own developed player(Petry) only to need to find another stop gap at D. Sheesh!!!

    Rishaug said they are going to trade him. He traded Hemsky for a long while before they did, but still it is scary.

    MacT did mention in a presser that they were confident in signing Petry. I believe he also said that Petry and Schultz have the same representation. That can’t help the negotiations.

  21. FastOil says:

    Right hand shots are rare. So, a good RH player in a key non goal position is very valuable. Petry is worth more than a decent C (200 ft) with low offense and small.

    Petry should bring a very good player on his own.

  22. blainer says:

    SinceTheWHADays:
    Why are y’all convinced MacT is going to trade Petry? Is The saddle not as good as say…Monahan?What about JjK? By the sounds of things from the post I read about the fellow out in Jasper the guy is a menace!Plus we have Arco and Lander with a clear indication they’ll get a shot as the stop gap and didn’t Percell play a bit of Center. If we need a stop gap, and I’m not sure we do, why trade away our own developed player(Petry) only to need to find another stop gap at D. Sheesh!!!

    Pouliot would possibly make a great center. Has excellent possession stats ..is big…played the position for a bit early in his career and was 50% on the dot last year. Could he be the center we are looking for?

  23. SinceTheWHADays says:

    FastOil,

    Ya. I think trading Petry for a stop gap player at C is just dumb especially when we have a handful of C stop gap players of our own that wouldn’t mess with our cap. I think holding on to at least a little cap space would be prudent If miracle has it that we can trade up at the deadline this season.

  24. RexLibris says:

    As I see it, the Oilers have a passable 2C in Arcobello.

    He isn’t likely to be able to bring a great deal of success at that position, but the major items are checked off – win a faceoff, cover his man in the D zone, make and take a pass.

    The Oilers do not have anything close to a passable replacement for Jeff Petry – a useful RH defenseman with a wide range of skills who can slide up to play top pairing sufficiently or move to 2nd pairing quite comfortably.

    In terms of incumbents on this roster as it looks now, Petry ranks just behind Nugent-Hopkins in terms of current NHLers holding down positions at which the Oilers can not afford to give ground.

    If MacTavish moves Petry to Dallas for Cody Eakin, even with Oleksiak thrown in – because that really is what we need, another developing defender, even one as gargantuan as Oleksiak – then he might as well send his wallet along because Nill will have basically robbed him.

  25. RexLibris says:

    striatic: Monahan’s last year is exactly the reason the Oilers need a legitimate 2C.

    If Draisaitl is merely as good as Monahan was last year, keeping him up would be a terrible idea.

    Wait another two seasons on Monahan.

    His shooting percentage this past year was 15.7% and he had the coziest zone starts and competition Hartley could give him.

    He might become terrific, but his start last year is not necessarily something you can project for the rest of his career.

  26. Yak2 says:

    I wouldn’t trade Petry and a pick just for a center. Try to make it a bigger deal. Something like Petry, one of our D prospects not named Klefbom, Marincin, Nurse for someone like Coburn and a center off their roster.

  27. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris:
    As I see it, the Oilers have a passable 2C in Arcobello.

    He isn’t likely to be able to bring a great deal of success at that position, but the major items are checked off – win a faceoff, cover his man in the D zone, make and take a pass.

    The Oilers do not have anything close to a passable replacement for Jeff Petry – a useful RH defenseman with a wide range of skills who can slide up to play top pairing sufficiently or move to 2nd pairing quite comfortably.

    In terms of incumbents on this roster as it looks now, Petry ranks just behind Nugent-Hopkins in terms of current NHLers holding down positions at which the Oilers can not afford to give ground.

    If MacTavish moves Petry to Dallas for Cody Eakin, even with Oleksiak thrown in – because that really is what we need, another developing defender, even one as gargantuan as Oleksiak – then he might as well send his wallet along because Nill will have basically robbed him.

    I like Arco, but not as the 2 in front of Leon. That’s too weak in the middle. Eakin isn’t like Nuge, he has some other things and can spell on special teams. I don’t want to trade Petry, think it’s foolish honestly.

    I’d love Eakin though. I wouldn’t trade Marincin for him.

  28. MrEd says:

    Lee? Eller? Kreider?

  29. Esa10 says:

    Ducey, they have to be under the csp by the time season starts, including savard. His cap hit counts.

  30. Frank the dog says:

    I see only two reasons MacT trades Petry:
    1) He wants out; or
    2) MacT feels he can do better for the same or less money.

  31. SinceTheWHADays says:

    Tychkowski’s got an article up about Jujhar Khaira’s progress. I mean this guy I’m really pulling for and just because he’s young does not mean he can’t be an effective NHL player this season at some point. Someone please explain to me why we need a stop gap player when the organisation could easily fill the 2C gap by committee with the players we already have. Fuck Rishaug we need Petry more than we need another C like a couple guys already mentioned and I have faith MacT is smart enough to see that too. Ok I’ve put in at least $1 worth of 2 cents’ ill stop now.

  32. Lowetide says:

    SinceTheWHADays:
    Tychkowski’s got an article up about Jujhar Khaira’s progress. I mean this guy I’m really pulling for and just because he’s young does not mean he can’t be an effective NHL player this season at some point. Someone please explain to me why we need a stop gap player when the organisation could easily fill the 2C gap by committee with the players we already have. Fuck Rishaug we need Petry more than we need another C like a couple guys already mentioned and I have faith MacT is smart enough to see that too.Ok I’ve put in at least $1 worth of2 cents’ ill stop now.

    The smart team is patient with Khaira. Hell with all of these guys. There’s a lot to be learned, and size is such an overrated thing in hockey. Do you know who had size? JF Jacques. Didn’t need a stick, but he had size.

    AND speed.

  33. MrEd says:

    One of Petry/Jultz can stay for value but not both IMO. That they share representation puts much of the choice on the players and the agency. The one that goes can then be traded for an RFA C.

  34. RCN says:

    Stauffer has casually thrown out Kyle Brodziak’s name a few times over the past month as being available. I wonder if maybe the Oil are sitting on a deal to bring Brody home if they can’t land someone better?
    If it’s a salary dump from Minny’s end, maybe something like Lander & a 4th gets you Brodziak & a 7th? Yay/nay?

  35. Lowetide says:

    RCN:
    Stauffer has casually thrown out Kyle Brodziak’s name a few times over the past month as being available. I wonder if maybe the Oil are sitting on a deal to bring Brody home if they can’t land someone better?
    If it’s a salary dump from Minny’s end,maybe something like Lander & a 4th gets you Brodziak & a 7th? Yay/nay?

    I’d love to have him as a 4line RW/C option, but he might have more than that left. Always liked Brodziak.

  36. SinceTheWHADays says:

    Lowetide,

    Allen Stashkow. Never heard of him? When I was a kid I was a pretty good player, but Allen was four years younger and at least 10 times better than me. We all get caught up in this development thing, but sometimes a player is just ready for whatever reason. Our fancy new 3rd pick, JJ and to some extent Arcobello are NOT JfJ. If these kids prove them selves on merit let them play its part of the reason I’m a fan. Hoping that a player can crack the team based on merit not because a vet has a bigger contract or someone thinks that all players need to develop at the same pace. Some kids are just better than others. Hell some kids are better than the men who already have the job just like Allen Stashkow was better than me.

  37. godot10 says:

    Frank the dog:
    I see only two reasons MacT trades Petry:
    1) He wants out; or
    2) MacT feels he can do better for the same or less money.

    Trade him after Klefbom and Nurse have demonstrated that they are ready…i.e. have played 40 NHL games or so.

    Petry is only 26. You can sign him to 4 x $5 million and he will always be tradeable because he is a competent young top 4 right shot multi-tool defensemen.

    He is not some 30-something guy on the verge of decline.

  38. fuzzy muppet says:

    godot10,

    Agreed. I think 4.5 could do it.

  39. Andy P says:

    Why is Dallas the assumed target?

  40. godot10 says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    godot10,

    Agreed. I think 4.5 could do it.

    Petry is a younger far better defenseman than Nikitin. It took Nikitin $4.5 million to forgo UFA status. Why would Petry do it for the same for longer duration. Remember Petry been carrying the load for the Oilers for two years for $1.2 million.

  41. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: I like Arco, but not as the 2 in front of Leon. That’s too weak in the middle. Eakin isn’t like Nuge, he has some other things and can spell on special teams. I don’t want to trade Petry, think it’s foolish honestly.

    I’d love Eakin though. I wouldn’t trade Marincin for him.

    So we’ve posed the qusetion (Who is the 2C?) but none of us can come up with a reasonable answer by way of trade that doesn’t involve moving Petry.

    If we eliminate the ridiculous and the fear-mongering, which I think is reasonable at this point as I believe we have seen enough from MacTavish over the past year and change to suggest that he isn’t going to blow his brains out on a short-term idiotic trade, then we have to assume that two things are left:

    A. run the start of the season with one of Arcobello or Draisaitl until someone else shakes loose

    or

    B. Make one big move of a winger for an unquestionable 2C that checks all the boxes (this is something like the Yakupov, Perron or Eberle deals we keep seeing thrown about).

    My money is on A.

    If a C. option shows up that doesn’t undermine the current roster, I’m all ears.

  42. RexLibris says:

    godot10: Petry is a younger far better defenseman than Nikitin.It took Nikitin $4.5 million to forgo UFA status. Why would Petry do it for the same for longer duration. Remember Petry been carrying the load for the Oilers for two years for $1.2 million.

    Fayne took less than Nikitin, and had the rest of the league to tender offers for his services.

    Petry could take less if he got some concessions, such as a NTC, limited or otherwise.

  43. Lowetide says:

    SinceTheWHADays:
    Lowetide,

    Allen Stashkow.Never heard of him? When I was a kid I was a pretty good player, but Allen was four years younger and at least 10 times better than me. We all get caught up in this development thing, but sometimes a player is just ready for whatever reason. Our fancy new 3rd pick, JJ and to some extent Arcobello are NOT JfJ.If these kids prove them selves on merit let them play its part of the reason I’m a fan. Hoping that a player can crack the team based on merit not because a vet has a bigger contract or someone thinks that all players need to develop at the same pace.Some kids are just better than others.Hell some kids are better than the men who already have the job just like Allen Stashkow was better than me.

    Khaira is a fine prospect, I’m pulling for him. His offense lags and despite being big he’s a lot to learn. The last time EDM elevated a player with offensive issues at 20 it was Anton Lander. I’m hopeful the Oilers don’t repeat that mistake again so soon.

    If Khaira has 30 points in his first 30 AHL games, I’ll be screaming for his first NHL cup of coffee. Promise.

  44. striatic says:

    SinceTheWHADays: Why? If I remember correctly Monahan held his own pretty dam well.

    His team finished 4th from last.

    He had a good 1st 15 games based on an unsustainably lucky shooting percentage and then he fell off a cliff.

  45. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris: So we’ve posed the qusetion (Who is the 2C?) but none of us can come up with a reasonable answer by way of trade that doesn’t involve moving Petry.

    If we eliminate the ridiculous and the fear-mongering, which I think is reasonable at this point as I believe we have seen enough from MacTavish over the past year and change to suggest that he isn’t going to blow his brains out on a short-term idiotic trade, then we have to assume that two things are left:

    A. run the start of the season with one of Arcobello or Draisaitl until someone else shakes loose

    or

    B. Make one big move of a winger for an unquestionable 2C that checks all the boxes (this is something like the Yakupov, Perron or Eberle deals we keep seeing thrown about).

    My money is on A.

    If a C. option shows up that doesn’t undermine the current roster, I’m all ears.

    There’s another option. They could sign Loktionov and then have all of Arco, Lander, Leon and Loktionov compete. That’s a good player.

  46. godot10 says:

    RexLibris: Fayne took less than Nikitin, and had the rest of the league to tender offers for his services.

    Petry could take less if he got some concessions, such as a NTC, limited or otherwise.

    Fayne went to the open market. He got the market price. You are asking Petry, like Nikitin to forgo the open market.

  47. JamesL says:

    Lowetide:

    If Khaira has 30 points in his first 30 AHL games, I’ll be screaming for his first NHL cup of coffee. Promise.

    Worth noting that he’s already played 6 and scored 0. (That playoff goal notwithstanding.) Let him bake at 300 degrees in the OKC oven, please!

  48. Lowetide says:

    JamesL: Worth noting that he’s already played 6 and scored 0. (That playoff goal notwithstanding.) Let him bake at 300 degrees in the OKC oven, please!

    Yep.

  49. JamesL says:

    The idea of trading Petry for a C reminds me of the Lubo trade. Sure, we all loved what we got in Lubo (Pat Quinn notwithstanding), but we created a gaping hole elsewhere with the loss of Stoll. No more holes please. Lord, give me a roster with balance and I swear I’ll be content…

  50. gd says:

    One thing I think MacT has accomplished this week is we now have some depth in some places in the org. This means he can now use valuable players like Petry/Perron as trade bait to possibly get a better player at a different position (ie Dallas or Islanders needing RH D). The size he acquired also means we no longer only need to look at 6’3 C to fill a glaring hole, I now want effective versus size, ie Eakin>Berglund and I wouldn’t have said that two weeks ago. I also hope he is using the better D depth to enhance his leverage in the Petry/Schultz negotiations. I don’t think either of them are Offer Sheet candidates so MacT needs to be a bit of a hard ass in these negotiations so we don’t end up with another negative value asset like Gagner became.

  51. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: There’s another option. They could sign Loktionov and then have all of Arco, Lander, Leon and Loktionov compete. That’s a good player.

    Heh, yeah, I could probably hear Matheson’s blood pressure rise from here if they do that. 5’10″, 190lbs (average taken from a few sites).

    He’d be found money, and he has history playing with shutdown, two-way guys like Henrique and some old-timey guy named Kovalchuk.

    Here’s the thing though. Based on his numbers, Bailey is still a better option, albeit one that comes at a cost other than simply money. Bigger, more offense, more games in the NHL, and better underlying numbers.

    So, is Loktionov to the Oilers C problems this year what Belov was to their D problems last?

  52. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris: Heh, yeah, I could probably hear Matheson’s blood pressure rise from here if they do that. 5’10″, 190lbs (average taken from a few sites).

    He’d be found money, and he has history playing with shutdown, two-way guys like Henrique and some old-timey guy named Kovalchuk.

    Here’s the thing though. Based on his numbers, Bailey is still a better option, albeit one that comes at a cost other than simply money. Bigger, more offense, more games in the NHL, and better underlying numbers.

    So, is Loktionov to the Oilers C problems this year what Belov was to their D problems last?

    Is Bailey a center, though? I keep reading him as a LW.

  53. shawwwood says:

    Off topic:
    When there is talk of free agents coming to Edmonton weather is always brought up to explain why players won’t sign with the Oilers.
    Found this quote interesting from Dale Tallon GM Florida.

    Tallon “I’ve sold the weather and the lack of state taxes for awhile. That never mattered. Players want a chance to win”

  54. steveb12344 says:

    Lowetide: Is Bailey a center, though? I keep reading him as a LW.

    I’ve been banging the drum for Anders Lee for a while now. He’s a big C with better stats than bailey. He is a late round draft pick, and just might shake loose.

  55. RCN says:

    Lowetide,

    Bailey’s a legit middle-6 F that can play C/L/R. He’s prob a 3C or a 2W, but NYI have a logjam at C & shifted him to the W. Only hitch is what the asking price is. As an aside, I believe he & Hall have a friendship.

  56. RCN says:

    I wonder if you could get Brandon Sutter out of PIT? And Brayden Schenn ‘s another name to comsider.

  57. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Is Bailey a center, though? I keep reading him as a LW.

    He was drafted as a C, played one in his first season I believe. In 2012-13 he played 82% of his time with Nielsen, which means he was deployed as a winger. The following year he played 64% on the wing with Nielsen, so the last season and a half he has played the wing.

    That time has been spent in a shutdown role, with one of the best in the league, and his draft pedigree is in the C position.

    He’s no Tyler Seguin, but I think he could make the move.

    The danger is that if you put Draisaitl behind him as the 3C then it means he’s working without a net, unless you move up Gordon and put Arcobello on the 4th line and Draisaitl either on the wing (which wouldn’t be a bad idea, necessarily) or send him back to P.A.

    But this is the Oilers, Putting players in positions outside their comfort zone is what they do (see; Peca, Michael).

  58. Dicky94 says:

    Del Zotto hasn’t been signed yet has he? Maybe the Oil are trying to sign him which is why Petry could be on the block. They have always liked Del Zotto. Not sure if he is an upgrade on Petry though.

  59. RexLibris says:

    steveb12344: I’ve been banging the drum for Anders Lee for a while now.He’s a big C with better stats than bailey.He is a late round draft pick, and just might shake loose.

    That’d be nice, but what would be the ask?

  60. RexLibris says:

    Dicky94:
    Del Zottohasn’t been signed yet has he?Maybe the Oil are trying to sign him which is why Petry could be on the block.They have always liked Del Zotto. Not sure if he is an upgrade on Petry though.

    Del Zotto and Schultz on the same defensive corps.

    Wow. Eakins might as well shave his head now for all the hair he’d lose icing those two.

  61. Lowetide says:

    RCN:
    I wonder if you could get Brandon Sutter out of PIT? And Brayden Schenn ‘s another nameto comsider.

    I like Schenn, think he’s in about the right spot where you can get him this summer but not next one. However, I think I’m alone among the commentators on this blog.

  62. Deadman Waiting says:

    Henry: I believe he also said that Petry and Schultz have the same representation. That can’t help the negotiations.

    If said representation is using his joint status as leverage, we could have our answer on why MacT would not cry giant tears if Petry was the catalyst in swapping one roster hole for another.

    On this whole roster combined, we’ve got 80% of a 1C. Nuge is 100% of a 1C against many teams, but not yet against the teams we most need to beat.

    Should we lose Nuge in October, we’re hard upon an exact repeat of last season. I don’t see MacT having much appetite for that particular risk. The guy coming back needs to have played 1C credibly at some point in his past career, even if much lustre is off the rose.

    Arco
    Drai
    Gordon
    Lander

    Maybe we could beat a few eastern teams on an especially good day.

  63. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide,

    Take a look at Bailey’s usage 5v5 and linemates 5v5.

    http://www.extraskater.com/player/748/josh-bailey

    Love to hear your opinion, I may be losing perspective at this point.

  64. Woodguy says:

    No. But maybe the throw Jamie Oleksiak in for the trouble. Only problem there is it might send David Staples to the rapture.

    That’s pretty awesome.

  65. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: I like Schenn, think he’s in about the right spot where you can get him this summer but not next one. However, I think I’m alone among the commentators on this blog.

    Not convinced on Schenn. I think he has “curb appeal” because of the draft and name recognition, but when I had a look at his numbers they looked like someone who is bound to disappoint.

    Here’s his numbers from ES. Take a look at the linemates and ZSs, maybe he’s the boat anchor on the line, maybe not.

    http://www.extraskater.com/player/1/brayden-schenn#usage

    By contrast, I think someone like Bailey could give the Oilers what we keep talking about getting from Couturier – a young shutdown C who could play with skill.

  66. Rondo says:

    What about Brock Nelson?

  67. Dicky94 says:

    Lowetide,

    I would take both Schenn’s!! Brayden could fill in nicely until Leon is ready in a year or two. Then he would be the perfect third line centre. Just not sure old Ron wants to deal with MacT. Still bitter over the 87 finals!

  68. Woodguy says:

    SinceTheWHADays:
    striatic,

    Why?If I remember correctly Monahan held his own pretty dam well. Why can’t we just ween the saddle into the line-up as a third line winger and let Ramsey et all develop him with men. The price would be better than the couple mil + assets to find a stop gap.

    CAL forwards w/ 40+ games Relative Corsi (did they help or hurt metric) presented without comment:

    MIKAELBACKLUND 16.6
    MICHAELCAMMALLERI 15.7
    PAULBYRON 6.9
    JIRIHUDLER 6.6
    T.J.GALIARDI 4.9
    MATTSTAJAN 3.4
    DAVIDJONES 0.6
    JOECOLBORNE -2.3
    SEANMONAHAN -8
    LANCEBOUMA -10.3
    KEVINWESTGARTH -16.7
    BRIANMCGRATTAN -22.6

  69. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: CAL forwards w/ 40+ games Relative Corsi (did they help or hurt metric) presented without comment:

    MIKAELBACKLUND16.6
    MICHAELCAMMALLERI15.7
    PAULBYRON6.9
    JIRIHUDLER6.6
    T.J.GALIARDI4.9
    MATTSTAJAN3.4
    DAVIDJONES0.6
    JOECOLBORNE-2.3
    SEANMONAHAN-8
    LANCEBOUMA-10.3
    KEVINWESTGARTH-16.7
    BRIANMCGRATTAN-22.6

    That Backlund kid.

    *sigh*

  70. frjohnk says:

    A line of Perron-Schenn-Pouliot would give us skill AND grit. All these guys are not afraid to mix it up, before the play, during the play and after the play. This a line that would not be fun to play against. When was the last time we had a line like that?

    Schenn may not have the numbers that many would like to see for a center, but he is still young and there is still room for growth. The kid is a fierce competitor and will hit, fight, play injured ( played with a dislocated shoulder at the WJC when he lit it up) he will do whatever he can to try and help the team win.

    If the price was right, I’d like to see him as an oiler, but I doubt Philly would let him go.

  71. Lowetide says:

    Rondo:
    What about Brock Nelson?

    NY Islanders are unlikely to deal him.

  72. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Funny we’re looking at Calgary Fs.

    I was taking a hard look at Paul Byron before I realized Cap geek missed his signing yesterday… so I just tweeted out my findings instead of writing an article up.

    Romulus’ Apotheosis
    ‏@RomulusNotNuma
    Missed this yesterday. Flames re-sign Paul Byron.
    http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/Flames+Paul+Byron+deal/9998722/story.html
    Good signing.
    He’s like an Arco clone. pic.twitter.com/MekPVs8R28

    Romulus’ Apotheosis ‏@RomulusNotNuma 21m
    Usage chart:
    Feisty, two-way F. helps get the puck moving the right way. Undervalued for his size but effective. pic.twitter.com/Pv7sfreHX0

    I don’t think MacT wants another fringe 25 year old NHLer who is only 5’9″ and 170… but he was briefly a UFA and looks like a nice little player.

    ———-
    On Bailey, Loktionov, Bryon or anyone else you wonder about whether they are centers or not… a good test is to check the number of draws they take:

    http://www.sportingcharts.com/nhl/stats/player-faceoff-statistics/2013/

    None of these guys were playing C regularly last year. Doesn’t mean they aren’t centers… but it is what it is.

    ———–
    Brock Nelson is the Isles version of Couturier. If you look around Isles bloggers or read the buzz out of NY… they love that kid.

    Bailey is available it sounds like… but put Nelson in your fantasy cupboard.

  73. Woodguy says:

    Tyler solved this yesterday btw:

    mc79hockey @mc79hockey · Jul 3
    Schultz + for ROR just makes so much sense. COL needs a D. EDM needs a C.

    Then @drivingplay chimed in (great follow btw)

    Driving Play @DrivingPlay · Jul 3
    @mc79hockey an exchange of 1sts would be a pretty shrewd ‘extra’ for colorado in that scenario

    So the final plan is:

    mc79hockey @mc79hockey · Jul 3
    Alright, I think we’ve sorted this out. Schultz and Edmonton’s 2015 first for ROR and Colorado’s 2015 first.

    I think that’s a great idea on every level.

    Also,

    Before you say “why would COL do that”, I say “Justin Shultz if famous”

    Famous players have value, regardless of how they play.

    That is one truism you can take to the bank with NHL GMs.

    Also,

    COL signed a very old Iginla who can still score, but can’t skate too much or drive play and TRADED for Brad Stuart.

    They gave up real actual assets to get a player who makes Smid look like a 23 year old 5 tool Dman.

  74. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris: That Backlund kid.

    *sigh*

    I lost my shit when the rumour was that he was available for a 2nd early in the year when he was being scratched.

    Its not like the Oilers need C’s or anything…………

  75. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk,

    Schenn may not have the numbers that many would like to see for a center, but he is still young and there is still room for growth.

    Aim higher.

    Schenn *might* be a player one day, but at this point he’s a meh 3C in the Eastern Conference.

    That’s 3 time zones from 2C in the Western Conference.

    Pass.

  76. belcolt91 says:

    If we do end up flipping Petry for a 2C, we better replace him.

    Marincin – Fayne
    Nikitin – Schultz
    Ference – Klefbom/Aulie/Nurse

    I’m not ok with that

  77. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: I lost my shit when the rumour was that he was available for a 2nd early in the year when he was being scratched.

    Its not like the Oilers need C’s or anything…………

    Yeah, when I logged on and saw the headline on ON “Smid traded to Calgary” the first thought that went through my mind was “Dammit, Feaster really got screwed!”.

    Kind of a let down from there.

  78. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy:
    Tyler solved this yesterday btw:

    mc79hockey @mc79hockey·Jul 3
    Schultz + for ROR just makes so much sense. COL needs a D. EDM needs a C.

    Then @drivingplay chimed in (great follow btw)

    Driving Play @DrivingPlay·Jul 3
    @mc79hockey an exchange of 1sts would be a pretty shrewd ‘extra’ for colorado in that scenario

    So the final plan is:

    mc79hockey @mc79hockey·Jul 3
    Alright, I think we’ve sorted this out. Schultz and Edmonton’s 2015 first for ROR and Colorado’s 2015 first.

    I think that’s a great idea on every level.

    Also,

    Before you say “why would COL do that”, I say “Justin Shultz if famous”

    Famous players have value, regardless of how they play.

    That is one truism you can take to the bank with NHL GMs.

    Also,

    COL signed a very old Iginla who can still score, but can’t skate too much or drive play and TRADED for Brad Stuart.

    They gave up real actual assets to get a player who makes Smid look like a 23 year old 5 tool Dman.

    There’s nothing to suggest that it wouldn’t be shrewd for the Oilers to swap picks as well.

    The Central division just got a lot tougher, and Colorado has underlying numbers that aren’t likely to be duplicated. Also, subtract O’Reilly and you’ve got the makings of a disappointing year.

    Iginla can score, but if Roy expects him to be a 5v5 tough-line option he is likely to be disappointed.

  79. MrEd says:

    belcolt91,

    Boychuk

  80. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy:
    frjohnk,

    Schenn may not have the numbers that many would like to see for a center, but he is still young and there is still room for growth.

    Aim higher.

    Schenn *might* be a player one day, but at this point he’s a meh 3C in the Eastern Conference.

    That’s 3 time zones from 2C in the Western Conference.

    Pass.

    What was that you just said about “famous” players?

    The Schenns, they’re like Staals but without the Stanleys.

  81. kooler says:

    Woodguy,

    Like that…then you bring Del Zotto?

  82. Numenius says:

    Lowetide: There’s another option. They could sign Loktionov and then have all of Arco, Lander, Leon and Loktionov compete. That’s a good player.

    Loktionov’s corsi looks good, but there could be something skewing the data.

    His zone start push isn’t what’s doing it, though that’s a factor, it’s his QualTeam(CorsiON). It was much higher than anyone else’s on the team, almost off the Vollman at 5.218 with next highest Eric Staal at 1.9.

    Why was this?

    As far as I can tell, he didn’t play C last year for Carolina, but played most of his time as LW on the first line with Eric Staal with either Tlusky or Semin, the latter of whose CorsiOn was through the roof and highest on the team. Eric Staal’s and Tlusky’s weren’t so bad either.

    This suggests that he wasn’t the one driving the Corsi bus, and he certainly wasn’t doing it at C.

    I think he was still boosting the line’s Corsi, though, compared to whomever else had been playing on the line before the trade from NJ (since his CorsiON is higher than E. Staal’s).

    The only thing I can’t quite explain is why Loktionov’s QualTeam comes back to the rest of the pack if you change it to QualTeam(Rel). That seems to suggest QualTeam doesn’t skew the data as much as I’m suggesting.

    I’ll have to think on it a bit more.

    The point still stands, I think, that he wasn’t as good as his Corsi suggests.

  83. nycoil says:

    Rom is correct, Islanders LOVE Nelson. They see him as a probable 30 goal scorer.
    They can run Okposo-Tavares-Nelson, Kulemin-Grabovski-Strome, Bailey-Nielsen-XXX
    Islanders have upgraded nicely this summer.

    Bailey as 2C on the Oilers would be horrible. Honestly, the Isles bloggers are suggesting he be bought out. If we didn’t already have Pouliot for too much money I’d say maybe pick him up for cheap but he has no place on this current Oilers team.

  84. RexLibris says:

    nycoil:
    Rom is correct, Islanders LOVE Nelson. They see him as a probable 30 goal scorer.
    They can run Okposo-Tavares-Nelson, Kulemin-Grabovski-Strome, Bailey-Nielsen-XXX
    Islanders have upgraded nicely this summer.

    Bailey as 2C on the Oilers would be horrible. Honestly, the Isles bloggers are suggesting he be bought out. If we didn’t already have Pouliot for too much money I’d say maybe pick him up for cheap but he has no place on this current Oilers team.

    Arcobello it is.

    Unless we can swap Schultz for O’Reilly.

  85. kooler says:

    Can you imagine this in a couple years.

    Hall RNH Eberle
    Purcell Draisatl Pouliot
    Big Yak Khaira LittleYak /Chase
    Moroz Gordon Perron

    And

    Marincin Fayne
    Nikitin Schultz
    Nurse Petry
    Ference Klefbom

  86. justDOit says:

    belcolt91:
    If we do end up flipping Petry for a 2C, we better replace him.

    Or cut 2″ off his stick, and try him at center. Win – win.

  87. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    I’ve mentioned this before, but is Grigorenko somewhat orphaned in Buffalo? Reinhart looks to be their future 1C. Hodgson could slide to 2C. Where does it leave Grigs in the mix? They have some depth on future centres. Maybe he is not as seasoned as we would like right now, but nice to snag him and fold into the mix. He is ahead of Leon in development and could be a nice complement to Yak. If not Grigs, Girgenson? For whatever reason, I think Grigs is disenchanted and Reinharts selection shouldn’t improve his mood.

  88. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I tried to come up with a list of players that met various requirements.

    They could only have two years or less on their deal. Can’t be too high or too low on the roster. Can’t cost too much cap hit, or be unrealistic to move…

    to try and get down to who you might reasonably target for a trade.

    I came up with Dubinsky, Anisimov, Vermette, Gaustad, Wilson and Nielson.

  89. Snowman says:

    LT,

    Is there any reason to believe that with the Oilers new found love of fancy stats that the bloom has come off Schutz’s rose in MacT’s eyes?

    Certainly he would bring value back and he creates less of an immediate hole than Petry IMHO.

  90. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Well Oiled and Enthusiastic:
    I’ve mentioned this before, but is Grigorenko somewhat orphaned in Buffalo? Reinhart looks to be their future 1C. Hodgson could slide to 2C. Where does it leave Grigs in the mix? They have some depth on future centres. Maybe he is not as seasoned as we would like right now, but nice to snag him and fold into the mix. He is ahead of Leon in development and could be a nice complement to Yak. If not Grigs, Girgenson? For whatever reason, I think Grigs is disenchanted and Reinharts selection shouldn’t improve his mood.

    I think it’s a mistake to assume Grigorenko is orphaned in buffalo.

    The new GM had a big mess to clean up when Regier was fired. Part of that was re-setting Grigs. That looks like investment in the player, not shunning him to me.

  91. Zangetsu says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I doubt grigo thinks the same as you. I doubt buffalo wants to move him, but I bet he’s upset. They cost him a lot of money and he’s sending every cent back to his family in russia. Not to mention the embarrassment he must feel.

  92. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Zangetsu:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I doubt grigo thinks the same as you. I doubt buffalo wants to move him, but I bet he’s upset.They cost him a lot of money and he’s sending every cent back to his family in russia. Not to mention the embarrassment he must feel.

    there’s a lot of projection there.

    we know he had a very public moment after the change happened. but Murray doesn’t look like a fool to me. I bet he’s spent a fair amount of time coaxing his asset into long term thinking.

    the reality of the situation is this. stupid teams rush their players. Buffalo under Regier was a powerfully stupid team at the end.

    Grigorenko isn’t going to get different treatment on better teams with better management. He’ll just get new faces.

    More than likely he wins an NHL job this season out of camp and we never hear of it again. Or, hell they could trade him… I have no idea.

    But, I think it’s foolish to assume Regier’s stupidity lingers this long into a new relationship.

  93. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Fair comment. it has been a total regime change. But it seems his lot is more troubled than Yaks and he may be getting caught in a prospect/youth logjam. If we can even contemplate moving Yak (we are at least discussing it), the same must be said for Grigs I think. But if not him, Girgensons. Buffalo can’t hold them all and they have a tough negotiation with Grigs on the docket this year. Does Reinhart play in the NHL this year? If so, the dynamics are really interesting. I don’t think he does.

  94. Zangetsu says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Somethings brewing. They can’t have all those guys play c. I sorta doubt grigs makes the team out of camp this year, unless he is LW, or a 4liner. I see a bad fit in buffalo.

  95. TeeVee says:

    Woodguy: CAL forwards w/ 40+ games Relative Corsi (did they help or hurt metric) presented without comment:

    MIKAELBACKLUND16.6
    MICHAELCAMMALLERI15.7
    PAULBYRON6.9
    JIRIHUDLER6.6
    T.J.GALIARDI4.9
    MATTSTAJAN3.4
    DAVIDJONES0.6
    JOECOLBORNE-2.3
    SEANMONAHAN-8
    LANCEBOUMA-10.3
    KEVINWESTGARTH-16.7
    BRIANMCGRATTAN-22.6

    So Monahan is better than Westgarth and McGrattan.

    That’s awesome.

  96. VanOil says:

    I believe I have established a long and fairly ridiculous record of Brock Nelson boosterism. Dating back to him playing with Nino Niederreiter in the AHL.

    I would not trade Petry for Brock Nelson. As Rom sadly points even Snow might bock at this overpay.

    On a related, but not about Nelson, note. I would trade Schultz before Petry. In 3 years Schultz could be better than Petry is now. In 3 years the Oilers could set a historic record of suckatude. Stick with the better player.

    Oilers should not trade Petry or Schultz this year. They just achieved Defensive depth too desert it in the first weeks is crazy. I understand the desire for a Center but there are two questions LT’s famed “are you sure you want to do that” guy must ask:

    Is he better than Arco?

    Is he more important to the team long term than Petry?

  97. Hammers says:

    So my question is would you do Yak , Petry & a 2nd rd pick to Carolina for Eric Stall .If we had a legite top center with RNH 2nd and Leon 3rd Gordon 4th we can contend in the top 4 in the west . BOLD MOVE .

  98. Zangetsu says:

    Hammers,

    Who the f*#% is Stall? Not to pick on you, but I’ve seen that twice in this thread., and I’m mean at night. If you mean Staal, then no. He is too old to stick with the cluster when we compete.

  99. G Money says:

    Zangetsu: Who the f*#% is Stall?

    Jarrett Stool’s cousin?

  100. mumbai max says:

    Hammers:
    So my question is would you do Yak , Petry & a 2nd rd pick to Carolina for Eric Stall .If we had a legite top center with RNH 2nd and Leon 3rd Gordon 4th we can contend in the top 4 in the west . BOLD MOVE .

    I am not in favor of that particular move, but I am in favor of the general idea. Substitute Eberle for Yak, and target a bonafide 1C, and I am in.

  101. Zangetsu says:

    G Money,

    I know it’s late and nobody will see it, but someone has to give you praise for that. Good Man.

  102. Deadman Waiting says:

    This is one of my tailposts in the wee hours.

    I’m reading David Lodge’s Consciousness and the Novel in which he quotes several passages from Nicholson Baker’s The Mezzanine, a 135-page, stream-of-consciousness account of a man riding an escalator during his office lunch break, who ultimately observes about himself:

    I was now permanently arrested at an intermediate stage of personal development … I was the sort of man who stood in a subway car and thought about buttering toast—buttering raisin toast, even: when the high, crisp scrape of the butter knife is muted by occasional contact with the soft, heat-blimped forms of the raisins, and when, if you cut across a raisin, it will sometimes fall right out, still intact though dented, as you lift the slice. I was the sort of person whose biggest discoveries were likely to be tricks to applying toiletries while fully dressed. I was a man, but I was not nearly the magnitude of man I had hoped to be.

    To which I respond: If we must wallow in our own mortality, let it be raisin toast. A hockey blog is, of course, an exercise in scraping butter over raisin toast; lately, with this team, over too much raisin toast presenting too much dry, pumiced bumscape of treasureless tundra.

    Earlier, the text spends quite a bit of time on Galatea 2.2 by Richard Powers.

    Then with implementation H there is a kind of breakthrough. The machine begins to ask spontaneous questions, like: “What sex am I?” Powers answers “female,” and names the machine “Helen.”

    Eventually there’s a bomb scare.

    “Helen could die?” Helen asked. “Extraordinary.” She’d liked the story of how the novelist Huxley, on his deathbed, had been reduced to this one word.

    Helen is well read. She was invented mainly to read literature. Here’s how Lodge reacts to this most cliché of all SF tropes.

    But the episode has convinced Powers that Helen is conscious. One of the things that distinguishes human beings from every other kind of life on earth is that we know we are going to die. It is the tragic price of self-consciousness.

    Blah. Somehow this rates as more profound than hot, buttery raisin toast?

    “Tell me more about raisin toast,” Helen demanded. “I want to know more about how the melting butter perfuses through the toasty vacuoles.”

    Ahhh, much better. This Helen is a keeper.

    “There was an original Helen?” Helen asks.

    Shit, she’s been reading Solaris. And we were finally getting along so well.

  103. Woodguy says:

    kooler:
    Woodguy,

    Like that…then you bring Del Zotto?

    Nope. He’s like Jultz, but not as good.

  104. Woodguy says:

    TeeVee: So Monahan is better than Westgarth and McGrattan.

    That’s awesome.

    He’ll be pretty good.

    He’s not yet.

    18 year olds rarely are in the NHL.

    Expect the same from DrySaddle.

  105. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris: There’s nothing to suggest that it wouldn’t be shrewd for the Oilers to swap picks as well.

    The Central division just got a lot tougher, and Colorado has underlying numbers that aren’t likely to be duplicated. Also, subtract O’Reilly and you’ve got the makings of a disappointing year.

    Iginla can score, but if Roy expects him to be a 5v5 tough-line option he is likely to be disappointed.

    The swap of picks is meant to look like a sweetener for COL when in reality it should work out in EDM’s favour.

  106. Woodguy says:

    kooler:
    Woodguy,

    Like that…then you bring Del Zotto?

    If I wanted to find an undervalued 3rd pairing D and get him for nothing I’d grab Wiercioch out of OTT.

  107. Marc says:

    Keeping Petry instead of Schultz would be like keeping Perron instead Yakupov – madness.

    Right now, Petry and Perron are certainly the better players. Petry is an above average second pairing RD. Perron is an above average second line winger. But neither player is likely to get much better than they currently are, and both are a year or two away from expensive UFA contract time.

    The following are true of both Yakupov and Schultz:
    - they are not good hockey players right now
    - there is a risk that they will never be good hockey players
    - they have the skills to be very good hockey players
    - at this point we do not know what we have with them
    - they are contractually controllable for 4 or 5 more years, so we have time to figure out what we have

    It is an enormous risk to give up on players at this point in their career. The Islanders have been a joke for a generation by doing just that – we don’t need Chara, we have Aucoin. We don’t need Jokinen, we’ve got Kvasha. We don’t need Neidereiter, we’ve got Clutterbuck. And so forth.

    Most people on here are opposed to trading Yakupov, and for good reason. I find it inexplicable that people aren’t similarly opposed to trading Schultz.

    He’s had a only a year and a half experience, and we know that it sometimes takes D two or three years to find their feet defensively at the NHL level. An activating Dman is most effective when his partner and forwards know how to cover when they activate. Schultz has played his first year and a half with an array of shitty D partners, and his forwards don’t know their own defensive responsibilities, let alone how to cover for a deep Dman.

    There is as much reason to believe that Schultz will figure out how to play (and his teammates, how to play with him) and turn into a defensively average (or better) 50-60 pt a year player, as there is to believe that Yakupov will learn how to play away from puck and get into dangerous place to turn into a 30-40 goal a year sniper. It is insane to trade players like this at this point, when you will never, ever get fair value for them.

    Good teams have players like Perron and Petry on the second line and in the second pairing D. They are an essential part of a winning team. But if you have to move something, you move players like them before you move a Yakupov or a Schultz.

  108. VanOil says:

    Deadman Waiting: Blah. Somehow this rates as more profound than hot, buttery raisin toast?

    This will change my diet.

  109. Numenius says:

    Marc:
    Keeping Petry instead of Schultz would be like keeping Perron instead Yakupov – madness.

    ….

    Good teams have players like Perron and Petry on the second line and in the second pairing D. They are an essential part of a winning team.But if you have to move something, you move players like them before you move a Yakupov or a Schultz.

    Well said. Nice work.

  110. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I think ROR was only a real possibility if Stasny stayed. With him gone, I think they re-double their efforts to sign him long term.

    The negotiations would have to really sour for him to get traded. But, I completely agree, if he’s on the table… trading Schultz is the move. But I also think MacT wouldn’t part with his kid.

  111. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide:
    Close to bold?

    http://oilersnation.com/2014/7/4/close-to-bold-2-0#comments

    Oh boy, how the mighty ( Lecavalier) have fallen. 12 goals at EV strength last year. I wonder what exactly is the value of taking on his contract?
    Didn’t Calgary almost get the yotes first rounder for offering to take Riberio, but Riberio squashed the deal?

  112. kooler says:

    Woodguy,

    Was only suggesting if you did your Shultz trade first ….Del Zotto or someone else comes in to fill his role.

  113. Pouzar says:

    mumbai max: I am not in favor of that particular move, but I am in favor of the general idea. Substitute Eberle for Yak, and target a bonafide 1C, and I am in.

    Yeah. Ok. Substitute a player in Eberle (as part of a package no less) who has nearly identical PPG as Eric Staal over the last 3 years.

    go to your room and never come out.

  114. rickithebear says:

    RexLibris: That Backlund kid.

    Backlund 6’0″ (25 years)
    25!
    Kid!
    25!

  115. Hammers says:

    Zangetsu:
    Hammers,

    Who the f*#% is Stall? Not to pick on you, but I’ve seen that twice in this thread., and I’m mean at night. If you mean Staal, then no. He is too old to stick with the cluster when we compete.

    So your a spelling expert but actually figured it out .Smart as punch .I would still take Eric even if you only get 3 good years .

  116. Zangetsu says:

    Hammers,

    I think oiler fans are getting too antsy. We can start to move future pieces for impact players when we are trying to go from playoff team to contender. Making moves that hurt the future at this point in time might push us into the playoffs, but when we need to compete for cups in three or four years, they will be a hinderance. We have gone too long to settle now. Light is finally starting to creep in. There is a time to make a real push to improve the team, it’s just not time yet. Improve without taking away, and wait for the core to emerge.

  117. Woodguy says:

    Marc:
    Keeping Petry instead of Schultz would be like keeping Perron instead Yakupov – madness.

    Right now, Petry and Perron are certainly the better players.Petry is an above average second pairing RD. Perron is an above average second line winger.But neither player is likely to get much better than they currently are, and both are a year or two away from expensive UFA contract time.

    The following are true of both Yakupov and Schultz:
    - they are not good hockey players right now
    - there is a risk that they will never be good hockey players
    - they have the skills to be very good hockey players
    - at this point we do not know what we have with them
    - they are contractually controllable for 4 or 5 more years, so we have time to figure out what we have

    It is an enormous risk to give up on players at this point in their career. The Islanders have been a joke for a generation by doing just that – we don’t need Chara, we have Aucoin. We don’t need Jokinen, we’ve got Kvasha. We don’t need Neidereiter, we’ve got Clutterbuck. And so forth.

    Most people on here are opposed to trading Yakupov, and for good reason.I find it inexplicable that people aren’t similarly opposed to trading Schultz.

    He’s had a only a year and a half experience, and we know that it sometimes takes D two or three years to find their feet defensively at the NHL level. An activating Dman is most effective when his partner and forwards know how to cover when they activate.Schultz has played his first year and a half with an array of shitty D partners, and his forwards don’t know their own defensive responsibilities, let alone how to cover for a deep Dman.

    There is as much reason to believe that Schultz will figure out how to play (and his teammates, how to play with him) and turn into a defensively average (or better) 50-60 pt a year player, as there is to believe that Yakupov will learn how to play away from puck and get into dangerous place to turn into a 30-40 goal a year sniper. It is insane to trade players like this at this point, when you will never, ever get fair value for them.

    Good teams have players like Perron and Petry on the second line and in the second pairing D. They are an essential part of a winning team.But if you have to move something, you move players like them before you move a Yakupov or a Schultz.

    I don’t see any evidence that Jultz will be a very good NHL Dman.

    Its been a pretty miserable start to his career.

    Good Dmen show resutls (in terms of making their team mates better) pretty quickly and he turns 24 tomorrow and hasn’t show that.

    He has shown that he’s good at adding offence when the puck is in the ozone, but that’s it.

  118. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy: I don’t see any evidence that Jultz will be a very good NHL Dman.

    Its been a pretty miserable start to his career.

    Good Dmen show resutls (in terms of making their team mates better)pretty quickly and he turns 24 tomorrow and hasn’t show that.

    He has shown that he’s good at adding offence when the puck is in the ozone, but that’s it.

    Is his ceiling Keith Yandle? floor MA Bergeron?

  119. Woodguy says:

    kooler:
    Woodguy,

    Was only suggesting if you did your Shultz trade first ….Del Zotto or someone else comes in to fill his role.

    Understood.

    I don’t rate Del Zotto

    I’d go after Wiercioch

  120. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk: Is his ceiling Keith Yandle?floor MA Bergeron?

    That’s about right I think.

    He has a ways to go to be MAB still

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