MAGIC BUS

Rob Vollman’s Hockey Abstract (published a year ago) offers some great insight into all kinds of things, and really drills down on the minor leagues. His AHL equivalencies range depending on age, and I’d like to go over last season’s group using his NHLE’s and then set the stage for expectations for this coming season. There are lots of new arrivals in OKC this year and following that group is going to be a wild ride.

VOLLMAN NHLE FOR 19-22 YEAR OLDS

  1. C Anton Lander 17-32-49
  2. L Roman Horak 17-22-39
  3. R Tyler Pitlick 9-16-25
  4. L Curtis Hamilton 8-8-16
  5. D Martin Gernat 3-13-16
  6. D Martin Marincin 6-7-13
  7. D Davis Musil 1-8-9
  8. D Oscar Klefbom 1-8-9
  9. C Travis Ewanyk 4-4-8
  10. D Brandon Davidson 3-5-8

I’m on record as wondering about Lander’s offense, but run through Vollman’s new NHLE he looks like a pretty good two-way center. I don’t know that he’ll get an extended chance with skill wingers this coming season, but maybe he starts to post some offense in 2014-15. The Edmonton Oilers desperately need someone to emerge from their system who can fill a role, maybe Lander’s circuitous development course means he’ll arrive just in time.

Horak looks like a good player, I hope they bring him back one day. Pitlick really took strides forward this season, but he needs to back it up with an even stronger one. There is a job available (4line RW) and he could win it with a big effort.

Gernat and Marincin appear to have the most offensive potential in the defensive group, suspect Klefbom ends up being the best of the bunch (although Marincin was the defensive version of what I’m hopeful Lander will become, as discussed above).

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VOLLMAN NHLE FOR 23-26 YEAR OLDS

  1. C Mark Arcobello 25-44-69
  2. D Brad Hunt 6-22-28
  3. R Andrew Miller 6-18-24
  4. D Taylor Fedun 6-16-22
  5. C Will Acton 9-9-18

These are older prospects, you may recall our Farm Workers discussion each spring (and the low number of players who emerge from this group). The Oilers have three really good candidates (well, two now that Fedun is gone) and I’m thinking Arcobello is going to have a career. He’s simply overcome so much, I don’t think there’s a way to hold him back now. If he goes 82GP, 5-9-14 we’ll probably never hear from him again but he’s going to get his 550 ab’s. As we sit idling in the driveway this morning, I believe Arcobello’s wingers this fall will be named David and Edward. We’ll see if MacT pulls the trigger.

Brad Hunt is an interesting player, and a fascinating addition to MacT’s pursuit of this player-type. He experimented with M-A Bergeron during his coaching career, brought in Larsen and Hunt a year ago, and I imagine he loves Laleggia at the rookie camp. It’s part of what makes MacTavish interesting, he was a button down player and coach, but he’s still out there chasing wild horses. Maybe that explains Justin Schultz.

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VOLLMAN NHLE FOR 27+

  1. R Matt Ford 9-8-17
  2. R Steve Pinizzotto 5-11-16

This is a tough spot for a player to emerge from, but Pinizzotto actually has a chance. I’m not sure we should count on him, but if he’s going to have an NHL career it’ll have to start pdq. If Pitlick is healthy this fall, and the Oilers don’t sign a Moss/Winnik, then Pinizzotto or the Finn Pakarinen will be on the outside looking in. If I’m Pinizzotto, I arrive in great shape and hammer the first guy I see on shift No. 1. That goes for Pitlick too.

moroz mcritchie

THE NEW 2014-15 BARONS (NHLE)

  1. Bogdan Yakimov 14-9-23  (khl)
  2. Iiro Pakarinen 15-7-22 (sml)
  3. Mitch Moroz 12-10-22 (jr)
  4. Jujhar Khaira 7-11-18 (jr)
  5. Dillon Simpson 6-12-18 (ncaa)

Land sakes (no idea what it means, my Grandma used to say it) this is going to be a fun winter to pay attention to the AHL team. Bogdan Yakimov ran up the numbers for that NHLE on 9:23 a night, so it’s probably low. Pakarinen is a Finn, giving him special status in OilersNation. Moroz and Khaira bring the beef and some offense, Khaira has apparently improved a step so maybe he emerges from the young C group to grab that 3line opening behind Nuge-Draisaitl. Then again Yakimov might lower the Bogdan (sorry) and that’s all she wrote. Dillon Simpson is going to be fun to track, especially when you consider just how many recently drafted defensemen will by looking for playing time on the Barons (Klefbom, Musil, Gernat, Simpson, Davidson). Add that group to Marincin (graduated) and Nurse (coming on strong) and that’s a lot of people for very few spots. Something’s gotta give.

(Barons photos by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved)

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

WOODA fluid lineup on the show today. Noah Love from the National Post will talk about free agency and re-tooling, along with a thorough explanation of the Brazil tragedy yesterday. I’ll talk with Darrin Bauming from TSN1290 in Winnipeg about Evander Kane and his comments, and we’ll chat CFL too. Alex Thomas from Oilers Rig will pop in to explain Southie (Boston), Liam Coughlin and what the hell is going on in the eastern division of the American League. @Lowetide_ on twitter, and 10-1260 text. See you on the radio!

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  1. Pouzar says:

    WICKED SMAHHHT!!!!

  2. OF17 says:

    Really looking forward to this year’s version of the Barons. Haven’t been this excited since Pitlick, Hamilton, and Martindale all started down there. Even then, this year’s version is more exciting, if for no other reason than that it looks like the young guys will play a larger role than Pitlick or Hamilton did.

    On any given night, we’re likely to see at least 4 of Musil, Gernat, Klefbom, Oesterle, and Simpson on defense. We’re likely to see all of Yakimov, Moroz, and Khaira get significant icetime, and much of that in an offensive role. It’s good that they’re still insulating the young guns with veterans like Hunt, Hamilton, and others, but I do like that the team has more positions open to development than it has in the past. Might mean fewer wins, but that isn’t what a farm team is for anyways.

  3. Dicky94 says:

    Definitely going to be an exciting season for both clubs. The last few years have been painfull to watch. All the fans that have been patient with this rebuild are finally starting to see the pieces fall into place. Good times ahead and we deserve every bit of it!

  4. DBO says:

    I wonder about Khaira or Bogdan. Wouldn’t it make more sense to send the German back to Junior, saving a year on his deal and allowing him to work on foot speed, and have the two older centres fight for that spot? Especially if the plan for both is down the order, and w don’t want to bury ze German in tougher matchups.

    Also, i’ve always been a Lander supporter and wonder if him or Arco with decent wingers makes the team better then we think they are.

  5. Jon K says:

    I think your subtle endorsement has worked, I’m going to pick up Vollman’s book. Looking forward to it.

    The Oilers have some truly interesting case studies in terms of prospects who are on the cusp of breaking into the NHL: Arcobello and Lander.

    Arcobello’s performance in the AHL strongly suggests he has the chops to succeed in the NHL. I don’t have the time to look right now, but I suspect that if we went and looked at players who posted around 2 PPG in the AHL, under the age of 27, most of them went on to play at least a season of NHL hockey after that point. His NHLE being above 60 points says the same. I was very interested at the outset of last season to see how Arcobello performed, and I remain so. I think JW did a good job of noting him as a possible NHLer early on in Arcobello’s AHL career, but I’m having trouble finding the blog post right now.

    Lander is a player who NHLE also loves, but still struggles to keep pace with the NHL game. If he fails to make the NHL despite his strong AHL performance at a young age, I don’t think anyone would disagree with the suggestion that his acceleration held him back and that his skating was good enough for the AHL, but not quite good enough to translate to the NHL.

    PS: It took me longer than I’d like to admit to figure out that Edward was a reference to Purcell.

  6. su_dhillon says:

    One of the major problems with the Archo usage last year or lack there of is that here we are a year later and we really don’t know that mush more about him. A lost year like that was the perfect opportunity to find out is he a major leaguer or just a really good AAA player.

    We’re basically in the same position as last year, you look at his NHLE numbers and it certainly looks like he’s a player, if we look at his first 10-15 games and again he looked like a player but we still have no idea.
    Now we have basically one season to find out if either he or Lander are players, if the Petry for 2nd line C deal goes through, I would prefer to see a Lander/Archo platoon in a soft minutes 3rd line over forcing Leon in and see what it is the Oilers have here because the numbers in the A suggest its not nothing.

  7. OF17 says:

    DBO:
    I wonder about Khaira or Bogdan. Wouldn’t it make more sense to send the German back to Junior, saving a year on his deal and allowing him to work on foot speed, and have the two older centres fight for that spot? Especially if the plan for both is down the order, and w don’t want to bury ze German in tougher matchups.

    Also, i’ve always been a Lander supporter and wonder if him or Arco with decent wingers makes the team better then we think they are.

    My sense is that Draisaitl’s development might be better served playing pro. Two of the big areas that he needs to work on, namely defensive play and learning to use his strength against men, won’t be developed as much by playing in junior. He could still work on his skating of course, but that can come at the professional level as well. I wish Draisaitl could play in the AHL. That might be the best place of all for him. But as it stands, my bet is that the NHL would be better than juniors for his progression.

    With that in mind, that means Yakimov and Khaira start in the minors. I also think that that makes the most sense for them, given that their offensive games could use some work with big minutes against lesser opposition. Don’t want to see another Lander situation arise, and putting either of those two in the NHL next season is asking for it IMO.

  8. Racki says:

    I’d be fine with Arco back as C here. I know his points dropped off significantly after his return to action but didn’t he also get stuck with new (and less appealing) linemates? If he would just work on his shot he could be a lot more useful. It shouldn’t be that hard. Add a bit more zip to that shot and he’s effective offensively.

    He is small of course, but he can play with bigger wingers (which this team does have in Pouliot, Hall, Purcell and even Perron) and I think he will be just fine. It’s not glamorous like having Stastny or Grabo here but I am pretty confident that he helps his line score more goals than it allows and that’s what is important.

    Ideal? No, but it work and it push Draisaitl down the depth chart, or at least forces him to compete to be on it.

    Sign Ott for table scraps and you have a 3rd C who can bump up a line if need be.

  9. su_dhillon says:

    Btw LT, thought Rom was really good on your show yesterday, nice work Rom, you are a natural!

  10. Lowetide says:

    su_dhillon:
    Btw LT, thought Rom was really good on your show yesterday, nice work Rom, you are a natural!

    He was excellent. The bloggers are great guests, partly because they prepare and give intelligent answers. It’s not an easy thing, turning math into verbal. In fact, it’s nasty. But Rom and others negotiate the rapids beautifully.

  11. jfry says:

    I wish that the nhle better reflected player usage. I can’t remember the posted numbers but wasn’t half of lander’s production on the PP? If we are suggesting that yakimov should be getting a push because he only played nine minutes a night, I think it’s fair to suggest that lander’s nhle should be cut in half since almost fifty percent of his points were special teams. Those just aren’t minutes he is going to get in the show. This nhle just doesn’t jive with realistic expectations for the player.

  12. Lowetide says:

    jfry:
    I wish that the nhle better reflected player usage. I can’t remember the posted numbers but wasn’t half of lander’s production on the PP? If we are suggesting that yakimov should be getting a push because he only played nine minutes a night, I think it’s fair to suggest that lander’s nhle should be cut in half since almost fifty percent of his points were special teams.

    That’s certainly true, we discussed Lander and his PP push here.

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2014/04/landers-bat.html

  13. Hammers says:

    Lander & Arco both look like players when using Vollman’s numbers .The other point on Lander is he can also be used on the PK . Your right though this is the year the Oilers find out if they have 2 NHL players that can either play here or be part of a trade package next year . You would hope any forwards NHLE in the mid 30′s and up should have a good shot but its harder with “D” as some get very few points and still make it .

  14. Jordan says:

    DBO:
    I wonder about Khaira or Bogdan. Wouldn’t it make more sense to send the German back to Junior, saving a year on his deal and allowing him to work on foot speed, and have the two older centres fight for that spot? Especially if the plan for both is down the order, and w don’t want to bury ze German in tougher matchups.

    Also, i’ve always been a Lander supporter and wonder if him or Arco with decent wingers makes the team better then we think they are.

    As far as development goes, I think that keeping players in the lowest level they can play in for as long as possible is the best plan, as long as they are getting LOTS of playing time. Lets them focus on becoming more well rounded in an environment that gives them more room for mistakes and growing pains.

    The Oilers will go into camp this year and presuming they don’t look really out of place, both Houlihan and Action Saxon will end up playing 9 games, and unless they blow the doors off their hinges, will be sent back to Junior.

    Yakimov & Khaira could both end up being NHL caliber centres. If the idea is to have strength down the middle, the best bet is to put both in the AHL and tell them to fight for #1C. See if either of them can take it and run with it. See if they can become more than we expect, and have some real centre depth bubbling under.

    I think the Oilers may try going with RNH, Arco, Lander, Gordon after the 9 games are done. Both Arco and Lander should be able to be effective players playing with the more well-rounded wingers acquired this summer. Its a big gamble, but if they can play .500 or better hockey with that lineup, it will buy them time to find a C trade that fits.

    Edit: If you’re not getting the Houlihan reference, you clearly didn’t watch enough television in the 70s, 80s & 90s.

  15. G Money says:

    LT sez: “… and that’s a lot of people for very few spots. Something’s gotta give.

    This is one of those problems that fits in the same category as “Dammit, I have too much money” and “holy crap, I wish I wasn’t so freakin’ good lookin’”.

    (I say those all the time, natch)

  16. book¡je says:

    Land Sakes – According to the internet, Lands Sakes derives from Lord’s Sakes (which basically means Good God!) . These are shortened from “For the Lord’s Sake” which is similar to the more common (at least a generation ago) For Christ’s Sake (we may want to make use of this when the Schultz contract comes down) or For Goodness Sake.

    The use of ‘Land’ instead of ‘Lord’ is what is known as a ‘minced oath’ where people substitute a word in place of Lord or God or whatever in order to make it less blasphemous. A common example today is Gosh for God.

    In all cases, sometimes the word Alive! is added as a means of emphasis, so Land’s Sakes Alive seems to be a stronger version of Land’s Sake. For me, the phrase ‘Man Alive!’ comes to mind here – I don’t recall ever saying this or hearing this, but somehow I know its a saying.

    Man Alive!, the English language is a bastardized institution.

  17. su_dhillon says:

    jfry:
    I wish that the nhle better reflected player usage. I can’t remember the posted numbers but wasn’t half of lander’s production on the PP? If we are suggesting that yakimov should be getting a push because he only played nine minutes a night, I think it’s fair to suggest that lander’s nhle should be cut in half since almost fifty percent of his points were special teams. Those just aren’t minutes he is going to get in the show. This nhle just doesn’t jive with realistic expectations for the player.

    Great Point

  18. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide: He was excellent. The bloggers are great guests, partly because they prepare and give intelligent answers. It’s not an easy thing, turning math into verbal. In fact, it’s nasty. But Rom and others negotiate the rapids beautifully.

    Very true in MOST cases *biting tongue*

    Rom Rules!

  19. russ99 says:

    If Arcobello ever puts up that kind of line in the NHL, I’ll eat my hat.

    Gotta put any NHLE’s primarily from OKC numbers last year on a curve considering the lack of offensive talent on the roster last year.

  20. Pouzar says:

    Yer making WG mad LT (RE: Berglund).

  21. Jordan says:

    Yeah… berglund isn’t worth it. Even it you’re giving up a 2nd and/or 3rd in 2015, I’d be leery of that trade.

    One season of 50 points, some size, fancy stats are “meh” at best, and he’s the cast-off from one of the front-runners to win the cup this past year, and next year.

    I Like MacT’s plan of “play with lower-grade Cs until the reinforcements are trained and battle hardened”. The mercs they picked up on the wings are good and will be around for a long enough to hold the fort. Besides – why go out and blow all your powder in a year when being really bad might net you found money in McDavid? Good year to “improve, but not too much”.

  22. rickithebear says:

    Arco playing center with:
    Perron158 min
    Eberle 138.5 min
    Hemsky 129 min
    Smyth 89 min
    Hall 82 min
    Jones 10 min
    He was 2.35 EVP/60 2.52 GF/60 1.89GA/60 +0.63G/60

    Arco
    Yak 103.5 0.58P/60 1.74GF/60 4.06GA/60 -2.32G/60
    Never ever; ever play them together!

    Arco on wing:
    90 min 1.00P/60 1.33GF/60 3.33GA/60
    Never ever play him on wing.

    He is a center that wins 51% of his FO.
    With Hall 2.92P/60 2.92 GF/60 1.46 GA/60 +1.46 G/60
    Hall’s best numbers besides Horcoff.

    Arco’s least successful numbers at center were with
    Yak;
    Smyth Even
    Perron 1.90P/60 1.90GF/60 +.38G/60

    80 games of 2.40EVBP/60
    Rolling Arco 12 min a night with any of our quality wingers
    Hall; Perron; Eberle; Pouliot; Purcell
    get s you a 36-40 EVP center.
    top 35 in the league.
    Rules no wing or Yak.
    Arco sick numbers playing center in AHL are reflected by playing center with anyone but Yak.

    When i started looking at all WOWY; comp
    Pouliot-XXX-Purcell rolled out against
    the other teams 1st line and 2nd/3rd team
    and were 2.20GF/60 +1.10G/60
    I know who are getting the 2nd unit tough ZS minutes.

  23. Pouzar says:

    rickithebear,

    Awesome.

  24. Jordan says:

    rickithebear,

    If you are going to go with RNH, Arco, Lander & Gordon at C, there would be a lot of value in using your wingers to help insulate the team from the weakness at C.

    Arco has okay D, good O & chem with Hall. Give him a good winger with some two way ability & size…
    Hall – Arco – Purcell

    Nuge is most established, and has chem with Ebs. Give them a reliable retreival player, and…
    Pouliot – RNH – Eberle

    Lander has some D presence and play-making, but has not been able to put up NHL points. Give him two players who are offense-first players, and…
    Perron – Lander – Yakupov

    These are reasonable options, that allow you to play through the start of the season, and keep your Defensive depth.

  25. stevezie says:

    book¡je: For me, the phrase ‘Man Alive!’ comes to mind here – I don’t recall ever saying this or hearing this

    Really? I say it all the time.

  26. Lowetide says:

    stevezie: Really? I say it all the time.

    That was a very popular phrase many years ago..

  27. Melman says:

    I’m confused as to why Gernat’s NHLE is higher than Marincin’s considering where each of them are at their respective stages of development.

  28. Hammers says:

    Jordan: rickithebear, If you are going to go with RNH, Arco, Lander & Gordon at C, there would be a lot of value in using your wingers to help insulate the team from the weakness at C.Arco has okay D, good O & chem with Hall. Give him a good winger with some two way ability & size…Hall – Arco – PurcellNuge is most established, and has chem with Ebs. Give them a reliable retreival player, and…Pouliot – RNH – EberleLander has some D presence and play-making, but has not been able to put up NHL points. Give him two players who are offense-first players, and…Perron – Lander – YakupovThese are reasonable options, that allow you to play through the start of the season, and keep your Defensive depth.

    You read my mind . Had same lines with Gordon , Hendricks , Pitlicl/ Gazdic or Moss / Winnick .

  29. Hammers says:

    My point being if McT can’t get the center he wants get us another proven NHL winger for the tough minutes .

  30. Bruce McCurdy says:

    rickithebear: Arco’s least successful numbers at center were with
    Yak;
    Smyth Even
    Perron 1.90P/60 1.90GF/60 +.38G/60

    Interesting stats, Ricki, I’d been wondering about that. Not sure I’m ready to conclude “never, ever” based on 90 minutes where Oilers got outscored 5-2, though.

    Seems to me a lot of his time on wing was on the fourth line. Could be that linemates like Gazdic might have more to do with those results than what position Arco happened to be playing.

  31. Melman says:

    Kane and Toews just both got $10.5M from CHI…how good do the Hall, RNH, Eberle contracts look now. Way to go Tambi?

  32. Hammers says:

    Melman: Kane and Toews just both got $10.5M from CHI…how good do the Hall, RNH, Eberle contracts look now. Way to go Tambi?

    Yea but when our 3 hit the Kane /Towes age a couple of them may want more than 10.5 .

  33. russ99 says:

    Melman,

    That’s their second post-ELC contracts, Hall, Ebs and RNH are still on their first.

    Plus Kane and Toews are both top 25 players. Only Hall looks like a sure bet – and IMO he is one now.

  34. russ99 says:

    Jordan:
    rickithebear,

    If you are going to go with RNH, Arco, Lander & Gordon at C, there would be a lot of value in using your wingers to help insulate the team from the weakness at C.

    Arco has okay D, good O & chem with Hall.Give him a good winger with some two way ability & size…
    Hall – Arco – Purcell

    Nuge is most established, and has chem with Ebs.Give them a reliable retreival player, and…
    Pouliot – RNH – Eberle

    Lander has some D presence and play-making, but has not been able to put up NHL points.Give him two players who are offense-first players, and…
    Perron – Lander – Yakupov

    These are reasonable options, that allow you to play through the start of the season, and keep your Defensive depth.

    Some of those players don’t belong with the others.

    I’d prefer keeping the Kid Line intact and slide Gordon up to the second tough-minutes line with two of Pouliot, Perron and Purcell.

    Then use Yak and Draisaitl for the soft parade together with the remaining 2nd line winger.

    We really need to try to add an experienced 3rd line center between now and TC as Draisaitl insurance.

    Using Lander anywhere above the 4th line is asking for trouble. BTW – which other NHL teams would go with Arco and Lander as centers on the top three lines? I can’t think of many.

  35. Jordan says:

    Melman,

    Huh.

    See, with contracts like this, I really questions the negotiating of a lot of the agents in the NHL. For All-star calliber players like these guys, I’d be really tempted to only sign 1-year deals for as much money (actual, after taxes) as you can get, each year, and then get injury insurance. With all of these long-term deals, it really hurts the team early on (high cap) but as inflation and increased revenues raise the cap & the players’ % of revenues, the star players are effectively subsidizing the mid-level players who sign shorter deals. Because the deal is shorter, they can re-up sooner, and better capture that inflationary effect in their earnings.

    The only time the long-term deal is better for the player is if their level of play drops off. So… say at 35+ for most skill players?

    russ99,

    Lander has not been played at centre with NHL-calliber wingers since his rookie year. I would suggest you go back and see who he was playing with, and see the results they had. This is a player who can be successful with skilled wingers – the issue with him so far has been he’s been used on the 4th line.

    Give him real players to play with without burying him on D-zone starts and you will see an NHL regular.

  36. Jon K says:

    Melman:
    Kane and Toews just both got $10.5M from CHI…how good do the Hall, RNH, Eberle contracts look now.Way to go Tambi?

    The RNH, Hall, and Eberle contracts would be more appropriately compared to the contacts expiring next year for Toews and Kane. They are pretty comparable, when you take into consideration the salary caps when they each signed their respective contracts.

  37. book¡je says:

    stevezie: Really? I say it all the time.

    I think I might as well, but I just don’t remember saying it. It’s like saying ‘Eh’. I don’t know I do it until I am in the US and my friends point it out.

  38. gd says:

    Hammers,

    I’ll gladly take Chicago’s last 6 six years from our guys for the next six years and then worry about Hall’s next contract in 2020.

    I do think 1) Seabrook could be shaking loose; 2) I think these deals will spell the end of Chicago’s dominance, when added to the Hossa/Keith/Crawford deals unless the Cap goes to $80Million. I don’t know how they will keep Saad after next year.

  39. Numenius says:

    Bachman signed to a 1year deal.

  40. spud says:

    Melman:
    Kane and Toews just both got $10.5M from CHI…how good do the Hall, RNH, Eberle contracts look now.Way to go Tambi?

    Well, the Oilers haven’t been anywhere near the Stanley Cup, so Hall, Eberle and RNH have to suffer with their $6 millon a year.

  41. soup says:

    $10.5M – Wow! Even Gagner’s contract looks good now.

    Question – why do some people think that Eberle is not covering his contract? Further, based on his progress in the 2-way center department, do you really think this is a chance that RNH is not fully covering his bet by as soon as this year? Are there that many centers that are playing a more signifcant role for their team that are making less than $6M per year? Maybe on a dollar per pound basis there might be better bargains…

    Not sure why Eberle and RNH have become the red-headed step children for so many, but they are among the least of the concerns on this team. It is like those that think Eberle should be traded for help with the assumption that Yak is ready to step in. Magic beans. Yak may be great some day (though I’m not convinced), but there is not much that suggests he is anywhere close today.

  42. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Jordan: Lander has not been played at centre with NHL-calliber wingers since his rookie year. I would suggest you go back and see who he was playing with, and see the results they had.

    In his rookie season, Lander played primarily with “NHL-calibre wingers” Lennart Petrell and Ben Eager.

  43. Ducey says:

    $10.5 Million. Wow.

    You can bet some sphincters are tightening on the ownership side. Particularly in MTL in the PK Subban negotiations.

  44. Pouzar says:

    Preach on Soup. I’m with you.

    Jordan….nice posts.

    Man does Jameison ever sound like Brian Williams to me.

  45. book¡je says:

    Bruce McCurdy: In his rookie season, Lander played primarily with “NHL-calibre wingers” Lennart Petrell and Ben Eager.

    I think you need to figure out how to make those quotation marks bigger with more dripping sarcasm.

  46. Bank Shot says:

    Bruce McCurdy: In his rookie season, Lander played primarily with “NHL-calibre wingers” Lennart Petrell and Ben Eager.

    And last season he played most of his time with top six players and didn’t produce anything.

    I think this guy is a vollman exception. I really can’t see him producing any kind of offence at the NHL level.

  47. Jordan says:

    Bruce McCurdy: In his rookie season, Lander played primarily with “NHL-calibre wingers” Lennart Petrell and Ben Eager.

    Whelp, the wife always says that I put too much trust in my memory – clearly I need to remember that.

    In my minds eye, I see him playing with Magnus and…. Jones? Huh – I guess even then the “NHL calliber wingers” is questionable.

    Bank Shot: And last season he played most of his time with top six players and didn’t produce anything.

    Seems to me he wasn’t playing Centre last year, no? I think he performs better in that role. But once again, that’s based on my memory, so I recommend someone do some research. I would, but I expect I won’t remember to.

  48. rickithebear says:

    Jordan:
    rickithebear,

    If you are going to go with RNH, Arco, Lander & Gordon at C, there would be a lot of value in using your wingers to help insulate the team from the weakness at C.

    Arco has okay D, good O & chem with Hall.Give him a good winger with some two way ability & size…
    Hall – Arco – Purcell

    Nuge is most established, and has chem with Ebs.Give them a reliable retreival player, and…
    Pouliot – RNH – Eberle

    Lander has some D presence and play-making, but has not been able to put up NHL points.Give him two players who are offense-first players, and…
    Perron – Lander – Yakupov

    These are reasonable options, that allow you to play through the start of the season, and keep your Defensive depth.

    And looks at line-up on paper in front of him and smiles.

    Wowy says Yak was his Goal dif best with
    Perron 52.9% 2.72EVP/60
    and
    Lander 50% 2.42 EVP/60

  49. Bank Shot says:

    Jordan: Whelp, the wife always says that I put too much trust in my memory – clearly I need to remember that.

    In my minds eye, I see him playing with Magnus and…. Jones?Huh – I guess even then the “NHL calliber wingers” is questionable.

    Seems to me he wasn’t playing Centre last year, no?I think he performs better in that role.But once again, that’s based on my memory, so I recommend someone do some research.I would, but I expect I won’t remember to.

    No he didn’t play center last season in the NHL, but I’m not sure that will improve his effectiveness threefold to get past the mendoza line.

  50. wintoon says:

    Perhaps somewhat off topic but would the Oilers be wise to explore trading Perron + for Evander Kane?
    I realize that Kane would come with some baggage but he has undeniable talent, is a rugged player with some size and is signed for a reasonable period of time. On the other hand, Perron has just put up career numbers, he is on a shorter contract and his value is high.

    Would there be a benefit in totally solidifying the left side? To me, a one two punch of Hall and Kane would present serious match up problems for other teams.

  51. Melman says:

    Jon K,

    I get that that they are their 3rd conatracts, but my point being – and most particularly in Hall’s case – your getting Hall who is 3 years younger than Kane for $4.5 less per year for 5 years once their deals kick in. Pick at it any way you want but it’s a great contract for Edm.

  52. justDOit says:

    That salary cap better go up a lot for the Hawks…

    Follow

    CapGeek
    ‏@capgeek
    #Blackhawks have projected cap payroll of $65.7M with 15 signed in 2015-16, including Toews/Kane. http://capgeek.com/payrolls/?salary_cap=%2469%2C000%2C000&charts_year=2015

  53. Jordan says:

    wintoon,

    Considering how hard the Oilers have worked to emphasize that Character is one of the biggest priorities of this rebuild, I find it hard to beleive that the Oilers will be anywhere near Kane, especially considering the great value contract that Perron is on.

    Edmonton is not in such a dire position as to give up a great contract on an elite 2nd-line winger for a top-6 center with character issues on a so-so contract. Especially when there’s so many years left on it. Maybe it is a reclamation project they like, but it seems like the Oilers get all the risk in that deal, even if it’s 1-for-1. No way that trade happens at Perron+.

  54. wintoon says:

    Jordan,

    I recognize that there are character issues but Kane is 22, plays left wing and is signed until 2018 (?). This plus he is a more rugged individual than Perron with no history of debilitating injury suggests he may have greater long term value. When Perrons contract expires there is no guarantee he re-signs with the Oilers.

    This will not resolve the current centre ice issue but it would create a left side to be reckoned with.

    This could lead to:

    Hall – RNH – Eberle

    Kane – Draisaitl – Yakupov

    To me, that is formidable. Two power forwards, two play makers and two triggermen.

  55. hoser313 says:

    Seems to me he wasn’t playing Centre last year, no?I think he performs better in that role.But once again, that’s based on my memory, so I recommend someone do some research.I would, but I expect I won’t remember to.

    They’ve never played him at Centre other than 4C that I recall. Surely they can give him 5-10 games at Centre this year.

  56. Dicky94 says:

    wintoon,

    Avoid Kane big time!

  57. Jon K says:

    Melman:
    Jon K,

    I get that that they are their 3rd conatracts, but my point being – and most particularly in Hall’s case – your getting Hall who is 3 years younger than Kane for $4.5 less per year for 5 years once their deals kick in. Pick at it any way you want but it’s a great contract for Edm.

    I agree completely.

  58. Bruce McCurdy says:

    book¡je,

    book¡je: I think you need to figure out how to make those quotation marks bigger with more dripping sarcasm.

    yeah, I couldn’t figure out how to do that, or I would have. “Dripping” is an excellent description of what quaotation marks do, in most fonts they even look like they’re doing it!

    Bank Shot: No he didn’t play center last season in the NHL, but I’m not sure that will improve his effectiveness threefold to get past the mendoza line.

    I share some of your skepticism on Lander, but I still hold out hope he’s going to be a player. Centre is his position for sure, he’s one of those guys I sometimes call a “facilitator” or a “joiner”, at his most natural position in the middle of the 2-1-2, playing the transition game both fore and aft. Such players don’t turn out overnight, but Lander has been making demonstrable progress since his draft year right through last spring. You’re right that he hasn’t been hitting his weight — even in kilograms! — but his record shows that he has to learn how to score at each level. Swedish League, AHL, he started slow & by his 3rd or so year was kicking in the points at a fairly respectable clip. Obviously that Has to happen at the NHL level, guys like him can help his team with 25 points but it’s damn tough to do it with 5.

    This is also a guy who is noted for character and team play. I’d sure rather develop some of these sorts of glue players in house than have to buy them off the open market all the time. I’m glad the org chose to be patient with him at a time when MacT was mostly cleaning out the cupboards.

  59. dangilitis says:

    LT you know I have been a big Arco fan, back last season when I ranted about how he should have been higher on your prospects list. I think #2 C is a bit of a stretch, and would have loved him as #3 C on a Chicago-style forward line setup, which he will not be able to settle at until Draisatl is ready to take the reins. Honestly think MacT must have hinted to him that he was going to be the stop-gap solution for Gagner when he sent him down to OKC for the rest of the year. Or maybe he told him he could be in the competition for a top 9 forward spot, to which the little bugger probably replied “bring it on!” Truly an inspiration to all the little guys out there like me.

    Let’s face it, most great GMs are calculated, but they do often need a little luck. It looks like MacT will need luck in Ramsay and committee D working out, and 2/4 centers playing beyond their experience and skill level. As it stands, you can’t be that lucky, but I would be happy to see Arco surprise us yet again.

  60. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    thanks for the kind words all.

    Just getting through yesterday’s posts now.

    ———-

    LaLeggia is going to be an interesting case next Summer. If he continues to advance, how do you not sign him, put him in OKC for two years and see what happens?

    McCarron, I expect will sign next Summer too.

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