MUSIC!

If the Oilers are going to get a center, they’ll have to give up something of value. If the club goes after Josh Bailey or Patrik Berglund or Chris Kelly, the bottom line is they’re going to give to get. It could be money, it could be draft picks or prospects, or it could be an NHL player in an area of depth.

DEPTH? In the NHL? Actually, yes. The Oilers have depth (now) on the wing.

 OILERS PROJECTED DEPTH CHART (WINGERS) 14-15

  WINGERS GOALS 13-14
1 TAYLOR HALL 27
2 JORDAN EBERLE 28
3 DAVID PERRON 28
4 NAIL YAKUPOV 11
5 BENOIT POULIOT 15
6 TEDDY PURCELL 12
7 MATT HENDRICKS 5
8 JESSE JOENSUU 3
9 LUKE GAZDIC 2
10 TYLER PITLICK 1
11 IIRO PAKARINEN 0
12 STEVE PINIZZOTTO 0

That’s a very nice group, three players over 25 goals, plus a struggling Yakupov and now the Oilers add Pouliot and Purcell. If the Oilers had three capable veteran centers to go with the top six, we could in fact talk about the unicorn that is three scoring lines. The third line could PASS the second line!

Music!

Rockford vs. Barons 2-28-14

TRADE ASSETS

The Oilers traded Curtis Hamilton a year ago, but it didn’t take. If we make our roster and agree no one goes out unless their (better) replacement comes in, then the trade assets become obvious:

LEFT WING CENTER RIGHT WING
TAYLOR HALL (6M) RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS (6M) JORDAN EBERLE (6M)
BENOIT POULIOT (4M) LEON DRAISAITL (1M-est) DAVID PERRON (3.8125M)
NAIL YAKUPOV (925k)
MARK ARCOBELLO (600k)*** TEDDY PURCELL (4.5M)
JESSE JOENSUU (950K)*** BOYD GORDON (3M) MATT HENDRICKS (1.85M)
LUKE GAZDIC (600k)-IR
ANTON LANDER (600k)*** TYLER PITLICK (600k-est)***
LEFT DEFENSE RIGHT DEFENSE
MARTIN MARINCIN (730k) JEFF PETRY (3.075M)
NIKITA NIKITIN (4.5M) MARK FAYNE (3.625M)
ANDREW FERENCE (3.25M) JUSTIN SCHULTZ (4M-est)
KEITH AULIE (800k) OSCAR KLEFBOM ($894,167)***-callup
   
BEN SCRIVENS (2.3M) VIKTOR FASTH (2.9M)

Trade assets that might go are asterisked, although I think Marincin might be dealt ahead of Klefbom. The Oilers don’t really have much to trade, especially now that Jeff Petry is one year away from full free agency.

  1. Draft picks (not 1st round selections, especially not the 2015 1st rounder)
  2. Young blue (ranging from Marincin to Betker, Edmonton has a number in various stages of development)
  3. Unproven forwards (Arco, Lander, Pitlick, Hamilton)
  4. A winger who has real value

That last one is unlikely to happen, but the addition of Pouliot and Purcell does in fact give Edmonton enough depth to consider dealing a winger. I’m not going to spend a lot of time discussing Eberle, Perron and Yakupov as assets for trade, because we’ve wasted enough time on it. Suffice to say the player sent away would have to deliver exceptional value and be considered bona fide.

WHAT IT IS

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I think this comes down to one of two options: running a Nuge-Arco-Drai-Gordon-Lander depth chart at center, with the understanding that any injury to Nuge or Gordon is catastrophic. OR they’re trading something that will hurt, like David Perron or Martin Marincin.

What else do they have available that gets them a real live center?

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

TSN 1260, 10 this morning and a guest list that could stop traffic. Dennis King, Oilogosphere icon joins at 10:05 and Jeff Krushell is on after that. Before 11, Jeff Veillette from Leafs Nation drops by to talk about the Edmonton stop for Five Hole For Food. In hour two, I’ll be joined by Scott Cullen from TSN and Kent Wilson from Flames Nation. @Lowetide_ on twitter, text 10-1260 as well. It’s going to be fun!

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  1. russ99 says:

    There’s still a lot of centers out there on the FA market.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=25880

    I’d rather see if MacT can get a stopgap center for around $1M before camp than see the roster weakened by a Petry, Yak, Schultz, Perron or Klefbom trade for someone we won’t need in two years when Draisaitl can handle 2C, or trading next year’s first pick in a strong draft year.

    Again, I’d go with:

    Hall – RNH – Eberle: O-zone vs. 2nd toughs
    Pouliot – Gordon – Purcell: D-zone vs. 1st toughs
    Perron – Draisaitl/X center – Yak: O-zone vs. soft parade
    Hendricks – Arcobello – Gazdic/Joensuu: D-zone vs. 2nd softs

  2. Lowetide says:

    Russ: I do like Loktionov but his injury makes him a bit of a question mark. I think this fellow may help!
    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=61459

  3. Clay says:

    A perfect fit would be Kyle Brodziak. Still don’t understand that trade.

  4. Racki says:

    Lowetide,

    Clay,

    I was just about to tell LT he spelled Brodziak wrong

  5. John Chambers says:

    I’m okay with the idea of running RNH & Arcobello as your scoring centres, Gordon in between say Pouliot and Yakupov on a responsible 3rd line with scoring pop, in addition to a veteran low offense D-zone specialist like Brodziak signed anchoring the 4th with Lander as the utility man.

  6. Dicky94 says:

    If they are seriously trying to make the playoffs this year I think they would move the 2015 first pick. It would definitely be of value in trade. I can’t see them moving it unless its Ryan Johansen coming back. What would a 2015 second and 2016 first be worth?

  7. Lowetide says:

    Blues sign Ott, you’d think Berglund leaves soon.

  8. Lowetide says:

    Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 12s

    Also hearing Vladimir Sobotka has signed with Omsk of the KHL.

    WOW.

  9. su_dhillon says:

    All the the insiders, the guys who the Oilers traditionally leak to seem to be unanimous in their Petry for a C talk and the 1 year deal certainly points to an exit this season whether its before Oct or sometime during season that seems to be the direction.

    Any thoughts on Peter Mueller? Not sure he is the answer but had pretty good numbers in his last season in NHL, has size and some skill.

  10. Gret99zky says:

    MacT is going to have to outbid a lot of interested teams.

  11. Ben says:

    Sobotka. Wow.

    Maybe Berglund stays put.

  12. Dicky94 says:

    Lowetide,

    MPS will be a regular in the line up now. That’s good for him.

  13. YoungOil says:

    LT, Do you think it is possible to get D. Roy on a one year deal if all else fails? (Assuming of course MacT is not able to get Anisimov or someone else via trade)

  14. Lowetide says:

    YoungOil:
    LT, Do you think it is possible to get D. Roy on a one year deal if all else fails? (Assuming of course MacT is not able to get Anisimov or someone else via trade)

    I think the Oilers would be wise to add a player with a wider range of skills. Also, Craig Button said somewhere that Roy’s footspeed has eroded badly.

  15. nycoil says:

    Lowetide,

    The Sobotka thing is a surprise.
    Not to further discredit that site Pouzar linked to, but the URL says “expandable.” I suppose if you feed him enough, Anisimov would expand a bit, so yes I think he is expandable.

  16. nycoil says:

    Lowetide: I think the Oilers would be wise to add a player with a wider range of skills. Also, Craig Button said somewhere that Roy’s footspeed has eroded badly.

    Roy was pretty awful in calendar ’14 (19pts for an offensive C who doesn’t play a good 2-way game). He isn’t the player he was 3 years ago.

  17. gcw_rocks says:

    Artem Anisimov would be an excellent target, with Berglund a second possibility. At least with Anisimov you aren’t getting a buy out candidate (Purcell) or a reclamation project like Nikitin. Anisimov is more in the Fayne category.

  18. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide: Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 12sAlso hearing Vladimir Sobotka has signed with Omsk of the KHL.WOW.

    WOW IS RIGHT…holy crap what happened there?

  19. dietflannel says:

    Not only would Anisimov be a great fit, but CBJ seems like a likely dance partner given franchise ties and their overwhelming depth at C.

    So what would it take/what would we be willing to part with for him? He’s that perfect stop-gap C (2 years left on contract). Do they need help on the blueline + prospect + pick? Petry + 2nd + ______? Not enough? Too much?

  20. slopitch says:

    I like the idea of Anisimov quite a bit. If they could do say Gernat + 2015 2nd, Id be all over that. I really like the roster with him as well. It lets them give Dr Drei another year to develop and Arco/Lander real competition to win a roster spot. I like Sobotka a ton as well. He’d cost less but isnt 6″4 like Anisimov.

    If MacT could land either, allowing Nurse and Dr Drei a year to develop, I think this team is setup really nice for 2015-16 and the hockey this year is still worth watching.

  21. Pouzar says:

    nycoil: Lowetide, The Sobotka thing is a surprise.Not to further discredit that site Pouzar linked to, but the URL says “expandable.” I suppose if you feed him enough, Anisimov would expand a bit, so yes I think he is expandable.

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Todd-Cordell/Could-Artem-Anisimov-Become-Expendable/178/61237

    He fixed it…………………………………………just for you I’m sure.

  22. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Blues sign Ott, you’d think Berglund leaves soon.

    There is a very good case to be made that adding Ott hurt STL in the playoffs.

    Not a good move at all.

  23. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: What a goddam waste.
    I take him in a second.
      (Quote)  (Reply)

    What a goddam waste.

    I take him in a second.

  24. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    The thing that doesn’t make sense about Sobotka… is if they wanted Ott (for whatever reason) and were having trouble with VS in negotiations… why not trade him?

    It only makes sense if VS had planned to jet to the K regardless.

  25. G Money says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    The Blues elected to take him to arbitration after he himself declined that route.

    Seems he really really doesn’t like arbitration.

  26. Stanley 2018 says:

    As much as I would like MacT to bring in a 2C that would make us an immediate contender, I think sometimes the best thing to do is nothing. Oil have 3 C’s coming up the pipeline that- if all goes as planned- will fill the C hole nicely for a long time. The cost of bringing in anyone worthwhile is going to be the only asset we can give up (1st round pick), or a player we need. It’s like having chinese for dinner: Before long you’re hungry again.
    As an Oiler fan it sucks to be patient, but to make this team a deep, long-term contender it may be best to suck again for 1 more year, milk the deep 2015 draft, load the team with more prospects, and enjoy the spoils for the next 10yrs. Good cap control, no bulls*** NTC’s, patient development system. We’ve suffered this long, may as well make it all worth it. This season could be the last time we get a good draft pick for years.

  27. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy: What a goddam waste.I take him in a second.

    Could this be a move by Sobotka’s camp to force a trade ( assuming St. Louis own his rights and he has an out clause in his new KHL contract)???????

  28. nycoil says:

    Pouzar,

    Ha. Well, it was one of those spelling errors that had comic results.

    Re: Sobotka- I presume he read the tea leaves with Stastny and Ott having joined the fray since spring. Too bad there wasn’t a way to trade for him before it got this far, but St Louis probably thought they could retain him up until now.

    Edit- Man, Sobotka’s WOWYs were off the charts good. Wanted more money than the Blues were willing to offer, apparently, something in the Pouliot range. Yikes.

  29. Hammers says:

    Is Saku Koivo retiring ? A 1 or 2 year deal could get a player on his way down but who could still help this team .Always liked him , adds our Finn ,Play with 2 big wingers . Thoughts or is he really packing it in .

  30. denny33 says:

    Dicky94,

    MPS will be a regular in the line up now. That’s good for him.
    *******************************************************************
    In 55 gp – he had 2 more goals than Dman – Roman Polak. 3 more goals than B. Jackman.

    However, he was able to buckle up his chin strap and garner 6 pm.

    I Look forward to seeing how Hitch will use this player in the coming season.

  31. mps91 says:

    That is shocking that Sabotka signed in the KHL. That will be a huge hit to STL.

    I wonder if that means Berglund is still available? They will now have Statsny- Lehtera -Ott-Lapierre down the middle, or may want to keep Berglund there instead of Ott.

  32. mps91 says:

    Pouzar: Could this be a move by Sobotka’s camp to force a trade ( assuming St. Louis own his rights and he has an out clause in his new KHL contract)???????

    Doubt he has an opt-out clause. I believe with the KHL-NHL agreement they can’t poach each other’s players. Therefore, the NHL teams would have to honour his KHL contract, and he wouldn’t be free to sign here until his deal there is done.

  33. Hammers says:

    Stanley 2018: As much as I would like MacT to bring in a 2C that would make us an immediate contender, I think sometimes the best thing to do is nothing. Oil have 3 C’s coming up the pipeline that- if all goes as planned- will fill the C hole nicely for a long time. The cost of bringing in anyone worthwhile is going to be the only asset we can give up (1st round pick), or a player we need. It’s like having chinese for dinner: Before long you’re hungry again.As an Oiler fan it sucks to be patient, but to make this team a deep, long-term contender it may be best to suck again for 1 more year, milk the deep 2015 draft, load the team with more prospects, and enjoy the spoils for the next 10yrs. Good cap control, no bulls*** NTC’s, patient development system. We’ve suffered this long, may as well make it all worth it. This season could be the last time we get a good draft pick for years.

    Good point but it could also be the year Hall says I have had it .

  34. Gino says:

    Stanley 2018,

    All good points

  35. cahill says:

    John Chambers:
    I’m okay with the idea of running RNH & Arcobello as your scoring centres, Gordon in between say Pouliot and Yakupov on a responsible 3rd line with scoring pop, in addition to a veteran low offense D-zone specialist like Brodziak signed anchoring the 4th with Lander as the utility man.

    This makes a lot of sense. I forgot about Brodziak. He fits because outside of Arcobello they have no righty faceoff guys.

    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    Pouliot-Gordon/Arcobello-Yakupov
    Perron-Arcobello/Dr. Drai-Purcell
    Hendricks-Gordon/Arco/Lander-Brodziak (DZone Starts)
    Gazdic

    The Wild have 64 Million with 19 players under contract but the bonuses of Brodin, Grandlund, Haula & Dumba are 3+ million. And they need to resign Niederreiter, Zucker & Fontaine. Also Brodziak or Hendricks can go in the middle when Gazdic goes into the lineup.

  36. Gino says:

    Hammers,

    I don’t really know what Hall is thinking?

  37. Ducey says:

    There is a better chance Petry gets traded than Marincin or Klefbom.

    Assuming there is not a trade out there for a serviceable C the Oilers should sign Laktionov and Zac Dalpe PDQ.

    That would give them a considerable amount of depth at the position:

    Nuge
    Gordon
    Arco
    Laktionov/Lander/Dalpe/Leon
    Acton
    Khaira
    Yak2
    Chase

    Dalpe seems like an interesting option. He was drafted in the 2nd round by Carolina in 2008. He is 24. Put up decent numbers in college and close to a point a game in his first year in the AHL (57 IN 61). His numbers have dropped off a bit as it appears he has been moved more into a checking role.

    He has decent size 6′ 1″ 195 but doesn’t seem to be overly aggressive. Shoots right.

    Two years ago he put up decent fancy stats in 10 games in CAR. Last year he played 55 games in VAN and didn’t put up good numbers but he was playing about 7 minutes a night on the 4th line.

    He may or may not have the juice to be the 3rd C for the Oilers, but he would serve as important depth and is a guy who could be brought up in case of injury or if Leon is not ready. He is noted to be a skill player and now has learned to play some defence. He is young enough that he could still improve quite a bit.

    http://www.extraskater.com/player/534/zac-dalpe

  38. Deadman Waiting says:

    Hammers:
    Good point but it could also be the year Hall says I have had it.

    How does that make this different than any year for any player? The glum, the glum, the glum, the glum. (I’m referencing a recent tail post.)

  39. Bag of Pucks says:

    Encouraging signs in the last couple days (Kane/Toews contracts, Sobotka signing in the K), that the salary cap will in fact force increased parity in the West and bring some of the powerhouse teams back to the pack.

    Really speaks to the need to strike while the iron is hot in this salary cap era.

    I think MacT gives Dr Drai his 9 game audition and at that point, it neither he nor Arco appear to be a feasible solution for the spot, it’s ‘bold move’ time.

    We’re burning daylight on the Hall contract. We can’t waste another season with Nuge, Gordon and a whole lot of wishful thinking down the middle.

    Why do I find myself increasingly visualizing what this team could’ve looked like with Nill as the GM instead of MacT?

  40. rickithebear says:

    Sobotka just missed UFA:
    27 on july 2.
    If he goes over to Russia
    and plays his 27 yr season.
    Is he UFA coming back!

  41. Gino says:

    Lowetide:
    Russ: I do like Loktionov but his injury makes him a bit of a question mark. I think this fellow may help!
    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=61459

    I would prefer this
    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=120970

  42. theres oil in virginia says:

    Woodguy: There is a very good case to be made that adding Ott hurt STL in the playoffs.

    Not a good move at all.

    I saw you mentioned that before. I’m not really arguing against the idea, but I think the injuries may have forced Ott into a role in which he wasn’t suited. At any rate, he didn’t look good for much of last year, either with Buffalo or St Louis.

  43. GriffCity says:

    Take a chance on Ribiero. He would be a pricey free agent for a one year deal but he has easily the most amount of skill of remaining UFA’s. He has had off ice issues but perhaps can quiet them for a season. I think he is ridiculously skilled and would be a nice 2C this season for the Oil. Any thoughts?

  44. nycoil says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Yeah, Nill > MacT > Tambellini as far as it goes.
    Could have seen Eberle going in the package for Seguin and then they run Nuge and Seguin down the middle for a decade with Yak and Hall still on the wings. Oh well.

    As it stands the summer isn’t yet done so it behooves us to be patient, but if they roll into camp this way this reeks of the year they went in with an injured Nuge at C and no viable backup plans. I like what Arco brought in his limited time last year but asking him and Draisaitl to carry the 2c/3c load is not a good game plan.

  45. Jordan says:

    GriffCity,

    Stay away from damaged goods. Ribiero cheats more for offense than Mike Comrie did his rookie season. No two-way game, huge distraction off-ice, and erroding skills.

    The Oilers are better off having Arco play than signing Ribiero.

    Oilanderp:
    Thoresen! http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=62297

    I would be willing to try that. Also like the Brodziak idea.

  46. Lebeau says:

    2nd line idea. Offer RFA Cody Eakin 3yrs 3.3 million . Compensation would be 2nd pick. It would be overpayment in salary which could make Dallas think about the contract. It might force Dallas hand in deal with the oilers.

  47. Bag of Pucks says:

    nycoil:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Yeah, Nill > MacT > Tambellini as far as it goes.
    Could have seen Eberle going in the package for Seguin and then they run Nuge and Seguin down the middle for a decade with Yak and Hall still on the wings. Oh well.

    As it stands the summer isn’t yet done so it behooves us to be patient, but if they roll into camp this way this reeks of the year they went in with an injured Nuge at C and no viable backup plans. I like what Arco brought in his limited time last year but asking him and Draisaitl to carry the 2c/3c load is not a good game plan.

    He’ll never publicly verbalize it, but I think MacT is 80% convinced Draisaitl playing in the show this season solves the problem.

    Nurse got sent back cos he was gangly and he’s D.

    When the Oilers actually send a first round F back to junior, I will believe this org has changed its ways. And yes, I know they sent Eberle back, but again, I think size was a factor in that decision.

    Oiler mgmt just can’t resist the lure of ‘big’ and ‘skilled’ no matter how young or raw the prospect might be. Seriously, was Paajarvi anywhere close to being ready his rookie season? Of course not, but there were tickets (and dreams) to sell. In Edmonton/Katzland, player development takes a back seat to season ticket renewal rates.

  48. rickithebear says:

    62% sobotka versus 42% RNH FO.
    1200 FO in 50 ZS.
    Shot rate /possession .37%DZ/.37% NZ/ .5% OZ
    resutsin .422 shots/possession.

    1200 FO X .62 744W 456 L = +288
    1200 Fo X .42 504W 696L = -192
    288 X. 422 = 122 shots X .105 = + 13G
    192 X .422 = 81 SHots X .105 = – 8.5G

    Sure could have use that FO%

  49. Bag of Pucks says:

    Btw, the surest sign that Steve Yzerman graduated from the Ken Holland school of slow and steady development?

    He sent Drouin back.

    Some orgs just ‘get’ this stuff.

  50. Pouzar says:

    *must mine the gold from the garbage*

    Jezzuz H the narratives here lately.

  51. Ducey says:

    GriffCity: Take a chance on Ribiero. He would be a pricey free agent for a one year deal but he has easily the most amount of skill of remaining UFA’s. He has had off ice issues but perhaps can quiet them for a season. I think he is ridiculously skilled and would be a nice 2C this season for the Oil. Any thoughts?

    He might be a good guy or he might teach all of your core players how to “party”. Not worth the risk.

  52. wintoon says:

    Over the past week or two things have gone very silent with respect to the Bruins and their Cap problems. Initially we were hearing that both Boychuk and Marchand were potentially going to be made available in for them to become Cap compliant.

    What, if anything, has developed on that front? Are they potentially still on the table or not? Is there a possible deal there for one or both and is it something MacT should pursue?

  53. stevezie says:

    Bohologo: Cap space. Not a lot in Edmonton, but more than, say, Chicago. Why not take Patrick Sharp off their hands for some b-level prospects?

    You can only make this kind of trade when you have a player who- while still good- is overpaid. When you have a guy whose goodness does not match his contract.

    Patrick Sharp led the Hawks in scoring. While the Hawks will not long be able to afford him, he is not in the slightest bit overpaid. If they decide to move him they are going to get a great return, not a b-level prospect.

  54. godot10 says:

    I’m expecting a Patrick Sharp (plus stuff) for Kulikov (plus stuff ) trade, if Bowman can convince Sharp to waive his no move.

  55. Henry says:

    wintoon,

    Regarding the Bruins much probably depends on how much they pay out for the bridge contracts of Krug and Smith. They are tight against the cap and need to fill out the roster cheaply.

    Chris Kelley @ $3M for two years would probably come very cheaply as they can’t take salary back. He is an NHL centre that would help the depth, but probably sacrifice the concept of 3 scoring lines.

    I don’t know enough about him to know if he is worth acquiring.

  56. mumbai max says:

    Chicago does not have a huge cap problem. Not until next year. I think Sharp or Hossa go next year, not this year.
    Boston have a major problem. 6 m worth of important RFA’s to sign and only 1.6 in cap space. They could be a target. Sadly they do not really have a center we would want. Boychuk and Marchand are interesting but not really necessary at the moment.
    St. Louis has no cap problem any more, with Sobotka bolting. No need for them to make a move.
    Philly has a big cap problem. Schenn or Coutourier have been discussed here many times, and remain viable trade targets. May have to take Lecavalier and buy him out as part of the deal. From a cap perspective and an Oiler need perspective, Philly is the logical choice.

  57. mumbai max says:

    Henry:
    wintoon,

    Regarding the Bruins much probably depends on how much they pay out for the bridge contracts of Krug and Smith.They are tight against the cap and need to fill out the roster cheaply.

    Chris Kelley @ $3M for two years would probably come very cheaply as they can’t take salary back.He is an NHL centre that would help the depth, but probably sacrifice the concept of 3 scoring lines.

    I don’t know enough about him to know if he is worth acquiring.

    Don’t forget Bartkowski needs a new contract too.

  58. stevezie says:

    I agree we have six real good ones, but I think it would be a mistake to deal a winger.

    While we have six excellent wingers, if we traded one we would only have five. We would be short one.

    We also- FINALLY- have six NHL defencemen, If we traded one of those we’d be short there too.

    The goal of the team is not to be competent, it’s to be excellent, right? This means six good wingers and six real D.

    By my ignorant eye, they only thing we have to spare is promising young D. Nurse, Klefbom, Simpson, hell throw Musil on there- one of these guys could disappear and the team would still have the required number of players.

    If we absolutely had to, we could move a D and hope that either Klefbom or Nurse can make the show. I don’t think we can spare any of our wingers. The goal is excellence.

  59. stevezie says:

    mumbai max,

    I agree with this completely, and would even add that if we take Luke Schenn back we could even try to play him for a season. Coutourier is the real deal- even with the cap space we might have to send them Petry or Schultz for him. We could then have Schenn battle Klefbom for the number six spot. I could live with that for D depth.

    Also, as far as Chicago goes, there are those who think Hossa is their best player, full-stop. They love Sharp, but when the cap crunch comes, he’s the one who goes.

  60. malinpaul says:

    As much as I love Perron and his truculence. His value is probably where it needs to be to get us a puzzle piece without trading when an asset is undervalued.

    Probably best to wait and see how Purcell and Pouliot fit and if Perron is the glue for them etc. But I could see packaging that up with a 2nd round pick to get a clear #2C

    looking at a team like Boston – they have depth down the middle and are bumping up against the cap… Soderberg might be a fit for us – 28, big, 73-16-32-48…

    swap Perron + 3rd rd for Soderberg + a salty D that could play if needed

  61. Woodguy says:

    Lebeau:
    2nd line idea. Offer RFA Cody Eakin 3yrs 3.3 million .Compensation would be 2nd pick. It would be overpayment in salary which could make Dallas think about the contract.It might force Dallas hand in deal with the oilers.

    I don’t see any reason DAL doesn’t match.

  62. Melman says:

    Lebeau,

    I don’t mind that – if Dallas matches then you’ve dinged up their cap structure a bit which is OK too

  63. Woodguy says:

    dietflannel:
    Not only would Anisimov be a great fit, but CBJ seems like a likely dance partner given franchise ties and their overwhelming depth at C.

    So what would it take/what would we be willing to part with for him? He’s that perfect stop-gap C (2 years left on contract). Do they need help on the blueline + prospect + pick? Petry + 2nd + ______? Not enough? Too much?

    CBJ has lots of D.

    They seriously lack scoring wingers.

    Perron and Anisimov’s contracts are almost identical over the next two years.

  64. Woodguy says:

    mps91: Doubt he has an opt-out clause. I believe with the KHL-NHL agreement they can’t poach each other’s players. Therefore, the NHL teams would have to honour his KHL contract, and he wouldn’t be free to sign here until his deal there is done.

    Players can still have out clauses.

    TOR picked up a C from the KHL who had the option of buying out his contract to go to the NHL.

    KHL and NHL can’t outright steal players under contract anymore, but NHL out clauses exists on some KHL contacts.

  65. dietflannel says:

    Woodguy,

    Would you make that move? Perron was such a beast last year, but it may be for the best.

  66. Younger Oil says:

    I am more than open to trading Perron, his value is very high, and he is on a great contract. However, Trading him straight across for a #2C just creates another hole in the lineup (although a less significant hole).

    I’ve menioned this before, but I’d love to see Perron+Prospect D+2nd or 3rd round pick for a #2C and a #3LW. Pouliot can move up to the second line to better justify his contract, and the 3LW fills the hole that is created.

    For example. getting Anisimov and Calvert for the package described above would be music.

    RNH-Hall-Ebs
    Anisimov-Pouliot-Purcell
    Draisaitl-Calvert-Yakupov
    Gordon-Hendricks-Arco

  67. Lebeau says:

    Melman,

    I think your right that they would match. Dallas has a lot of money tied up in their forwards and they still have too sign rousell. Between garbutt, rousell and eakin becomes expensive 3rd line. it might open trade talk between the teams.

  68. Shau-co says:

    Stop trading Perron. For one he came into this organization from outside with a great attitude and brought it consistently throughout the year. Secondly the optics are bad sending him out a year later when there is no obvious reason to do so.

    How does that make others feel who come to the Oilers? That if they compete hard and are one of the better players / leaders in this rebuild they might be traded anyways… I don’t like it one bit.

  69. Jasmine says:

    Stop putting Arco on the second line. Oilers will get killed with Arco on the second line as he’s a smurf and smaller than Gagner and Gagner was run out of town by Oilers fans because he was too small. Arco in 5’8: and 166 pounts.

  70. Jasmine says:

    Clay:
    A perfect fit would be Kyle Brodziak.Still don’t understand that trade.

    Ask idiot Tambellini who traded players bought in by Lowe.

  71. Jasmine says:

    John Chambers:
    I’m okay with the idea of running RNH & Arcobello as your scoring centres, Gordon in between say Pouliot and Yakupov on a responsible 3rd line with scoring pop, in addition to a veteran low offense D-zone specialist like Brodziak signed anchoring the 4th with Lander as the utility man.

    Stop putting Arco on the second line as Oilers would get killed with Arco on the second line. Gagner was run out of town because Oilers fans said he was too small. Now Oilers fans want someone even smaller. Good grief. ARCO IS 5’8″ AND 166 POINTS; A smurf.

  72. rickithebear says:

    Henry: Chris Kelley @ $3M for two years would probably come very cheaply as they can’t take salary back. He is an NHL centre that would help the depth, but probably sacrifice the concept of 3 scoring lines.

    The center Pouliot had the most minutes with in the last 4 years.
    C.Kelly
    523 min 3.56 GF/60 1.25 GA/60 +2.30 G/60
    Pouliots offensive numbers w/
    2.52 EVP/60 1.49 EVG/60
    Kelly w/
    1.89 EVP/60 1.03 EVG/60

    UH!
    NO!
    those are 1st line #’s

  73. Pouzar says:

    Brodziak played the extreme toughs and it didn’t work out so well. He got killed.
    Yeah let’s beat down his door to get him back.

  74. spud says:

    Jasmine: Stop putting Arco on the second line as Oilers would get killed with Arco on the second line. Gagner was run out of town because Oilers fans said he was too small. Now Oilers fans want someone even smaller. Good grief. ARCO IS 5’8″ AND 166 POINTS; A smurf.

    People were unhappy because Gagner wasn’t very good when he didn’t have the puck.

  75. kooler says:

    Anisimov for Yakipov? is that a horrible thought?

  76. Jujhar says:

    Jasmine: Stop putting Arco on the second line as Oilers would get killed with Arco on the second line. Gagner was run out of town because Oilers fans said he was too small. Now Oilers fans want someone even smaller. Good grief. ARCO IS 5’8″ AND 166 POINTS; A smurf.

    Gagner cheated for offense, wouldnt cover the slot, and was completely lost in his own zone. He could of been 6’2 and he still would of sucked.

  77. Yak2 says:

    Go for Mike Ribeiro. 1 year at $3 million. Don’t know why he got bought out by PHX. Rumors of “behavioural” issues. I’d still take a flyer on him

  78. gogliano says:

    I’d like to see MacT continue his use of lower round picks for depth NHLers.

    Add depth at C via OTT’s 3rd rounder in 2015 + a depth prospect. Send Drais down for the year. Picks are still overvalued in this league. A 3/4 center is nice insurance and if someone higher in the order goes down (RNH) then maybe you try Hall at center for a bit.

  79. FastOil says:

    In terms of dealing a winger, was Eriksson for Seguin a good deal for Dallas? Trading a D would be foolish, a winger smart. If Perron who I like but is somewhat defensively suspect at times, could net a quality centre, even with Tex in the fold (my latest nickname for Leon, the saddle thing), I would do it. Giving Tex a few years to settle in and push someone out isn’t a bad thing. And neither is depth at C and D.

  80. Melman says:

    kooler,

    yes it is – no one knows what Yak’s ceiling is yet.

  81. Melman says:

    Jujhar,

    This (as far as his defense). There are two kinds of good centres to have on your team. 2-way centres who can score and shutdown centres.

  82. Henry says:

    rickithebear,

    So, are you suggesting the Oilers go after Kelly? He had a good 2012, but the past couple of years have been sort of rough. I don’t know one way or the other.

    Mueller could be the safest bet. He could play centre or wing on the 2 or 3 line filling in for whoever gets injured or if the centres are ineffective. He’ll likely be relatively cheap if he can be obtained before Nashville signs him.

  83. justDOit says:

    kooler:
    Anisimov for Yakipov? is that a horrible thought?

    Well, it’s a horrible mish-mash of surnames. I believe you meant Yakupov and not Yakimov?

  84. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Topic change – anyone ever play Football Manager and wish there was a thing like that for hockey? Turns out there is.

    http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/franchise-hockey-manager/

    I decided to buy this and I’ll report back if people are interested. So far it’s like a much more detailed, competitive version of the manager mode in the NHL games on Xbox. You get to play in European leagues (3 Finnish leagues, a French league, the KHL of course, FOUR English leagues) and of course all the American leagues of note – ECHL, AHL, NHL, CHL.

  85. Lois Lowe says:

    Jasmine: Stop putting Arco on the second line as Oilers would get killed with Arco on the second line. Gagner was run out of town because Oilers fans said he was too small. Now Oilers fans want someone even smaller. Good grief. ARCO IS 5’8″ AND 166 POINTS; A smurf.

    Quit running Arco out of town.

  86. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Wow, talk about attention to detail. Gagner’s jaw injury, Nuge’s shoulder, Potter’s back – they’re all modeled. For some reason Smytty is captain, but I’m not gonna change that in favor of Ference.

  87. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Yak2:
    Go for Mike Ribeiro. 1 year at $3 million. Don’t know why he got bought out by PHX. Rumors of “behavioural” issues. I’d still take a flyer on him

    I wouldn’t touch Mike Ribeiro with a 10-foot Oliwa.

  88. book¡je says:

    Lois Lowe: Quit running Arco out of town.

    Damn, I was just about to say that, but with more ‘rant’.

    To be honest, I am just really proud of Jasmine for branching out to new obsessions. With her anti-Arco on the second line role and her anti-German Draisaitl rants she has really diversified. It’s like if Rain man started watching Wheel of Fortune and Family Fued. Good for her.

  89. book¡je says:

    Woodguy: Players can still have out clauses.

    TOR picked up a C from the KHL who had the option of buying out his contract to go to the NHL.

    KHL and NHL can’t outright steal players under contract anymore, but NHL out clauses exists on some KHL contacts.

    I would like to see the potential for trades between the two leagues. “In response to your trade out of Edmonton, we just came to an agreement with Omsk…”

  90. nycoil says:

    No to Ribeiro, please. Do not need to be gambling on rehab from character issues at the moment. There will have to be another way to get a bona fide C.

  91. G Money says:

    book¡je,

    Diversification in portfolios? Usually a good thing.

    Diversification in crazy people? Hmmm, I’m not convinced!

  92. Woodguy says:

    dietflannel:
    Woodguy,

    Would you make that move? Perron was such a beast last year, but it may be for the best.

    I’m not sure.

    It would really depend on your opinion of Arcobello.

    I need to look at his game logs so make sure his fall came from changing line mates and not before.

    He started like a house on fire and I don’t expect him to keep up that pace, but his 2pt/gm in the AHL suggests that giving him a shot and keeping Petry or Perron may be the more astute move since it doesn’t use up an asset.

  93. Woodguy says:

    Jasmine: Stop putting Arco on the second line as Oilers would get killed with Arco on the second line. Gagner was run out of town because Oilers fans said he was too small. Now Oilers fans want someone even smaller. Good grief. ARCO IS 5’8″ AND 166 POINTS; A smurf.

    I can’t stand the way you run players out of town.

  94. Woodguy says:

    Lois Lowe: Quit running Arco out of town.

    You beat me to it.

    Well done.

  95. Bank Shot says:

    Shau-co:
    Stop trading Perron. For one he came into this organization from outside with a great attitude and brought it consistently throughout the year. Secondly the optics are bad sending him out a year later when there is no obvious reason to do so.

    How does that make others feel who come to the Oilers? That if they compete hard and are one of the better players / leaders in this rebuild they might be traded anyways… I don’t like it one bit.

    Perron is the perfect trade bait. He has a good contract and good value and he plays in a position that the Oilers have depth in. Trading a winger for a center improves the Oilers roster.

    Besides, the Oilers aren’t likely to get a playoff game out of Perron anyway and if he has a couple more seasons like last year, then they probably don’t have the room to re-sign him. You can’t spend all of your money on forwards.

  96. Bank Shot says:

    Its too bad the Oilers weren’t in on Sobotka before he signed in the KHL. That could have given them three capable lines.

  97. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear: The center Pouliot had the most minutes with in the last 4 years.
    C.Kelly
    523 min 3.56 GF/601.25 GA/60 +2.30 G/60
    Pouliots offensivenumbers w/
    2.52 EVP/601.49 EVG/60
    Kelly w/
    1.89 EVP/601.03 EVG/60

    UH!
    NO!
    those are 1st line #’s

    and Kelly’s GA/60 has absolutely not a bloody thing to do with playing in front of Tukka Rask.and Tim Thomas.

    Let’s see here…….

    Who’s the next highest goalie in terms of 5v5 TOI in the last 4 years……oh there are:

    Last 4 years Kelly TOI 5v5 and Goals Against/20 top 4 goalies

    Player TOI GA20
    RASK 1210 0.578
    THOMAS 847 0.59
    ELLIOTT, 474 1.265
    JOHNSON 180 0.999
    LECLAIRE 139 0.286

    WOW! Look at those GA/20 vary!!

    Its almost like…….almost like……almost like the quality of the goalie is affecting the Goals Against!?!!?!??!

    Bizarre.

    Also,

    SOME GO GET PASCAL LECLAIRE OUT OF RETIREMENT AND PUT HIM ON KELLY’S TEAM, THE NEVER GET FREAKING SCORED AGAINST!!!!

  98. book¡je says:

    Woodguy: You beat me to it.

    Well done.

    I beat you to saying you beat me to it to Lois. I think I also deserve a well done.

  99. kb says:

    If we have to move a winger to get a center (I’d almost have to be Perron and I hate that, we need another one of him) why can’t we move Draisaitl to the wing?

  100. justDOit says:

    book¡je:

    … It’s like if Rain man started watching Wheel of Fortune and Family Fued.Good for her.

    Thankfully, my laptop seems to still function, after I spit coffee all over it. Totally worth it though.

  101. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: those are 1st line #’s

    and Kelly’s GA/60 has absolutely not a bloody thing to do with playing in front of Tukka Rask.and Tim Thomas.
    Let’s see here…….

    If the box Protection and Golaie average is X EVGA/60 and said Forwards is below X………….
    Oh thats right Luck…………………..LOL!
    It is not the forwards having great possesion control so that the oppositions zone enery rate per possession is lower than average.
    And it is not his normally higher FO% that causees a variance in possesion and again a reduced Zone entry rate.

    Oh Ye!
    I remember!
    its those hockey Fairies aagin.
    Tha hockey LUCK fairies.

    And of coarse GF is not driven by Forwards!
    it is the defencemen and goalies that drive the OZone and roof it.

    I here Carey Price is real good at it!
    Cause he gets lots of wins! :)

  102. rickithebear says:

    11-12:
    Most played :
    Pouliot/Lucic- Kelly – Peverley/Caron
    12-13:
    C. bourque/ Paille – Kelly – Peverly/Soderberg
    13-14:
    Erickson/Smith – Kelly – Soderberg/Caron

  103. rickithebear says:

    It really is funny that te Luck Fairies.
    are the driver of PDO.
    And PDO is a large justification for all the question regarding Corsi.
    Corsi is Correct!
    It is those Darn PDO luck Fairies!

  104. rickithebear says:

    Yes Goalies have An EVGA/60 Rate.
    A golaie can go from a strong Box Protection team and have elite Save% and then go to a team with poorer box protection and have there save % go down.
    Luck Fairies.
    Not the quality of box protection.

    Forwards who are strong possesion forwards can have a EVGA better than that goalie over time.
    Luck Fairies.

    Some players can have a large % of other players GD results be more effective with them than without.
    Luck fairies

    and on and on and on……………………
    we need to get us some good luck Faireis for the oilers.

    Anyone know witch craft to help us get these Good Luck Fairies!

  105. borisnikov says:

    rickithebear,

    Are there any good luck fairies that can increase the quality of box protection of this space so you can’t get through?

  106. Bag of Pucks says:

    Weird seeing Hall wearing #22 in that photo. He does have a lil Mike Bossy in him. But I think he’s got a helluva lot more Bobby Orr in him. #4 looks good on him.

  107. Jon K says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    Topic change – anyone ever play Football Manager and wish there was a thing like that for hockey?Turns out there is.

    http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/franchise-hockey-manager/

    I decided to buy this and I’ll report back if people are interested.So far it’s like a much more detailed, competitive version of the manager mode in the NHL games on Xbox.You get to play in European leagues (3 Finnish leagues, a French league, the KHL of course, FOUR English leagues) and of course all the American leagues of note – ECHL, AHL, NHL, CHL.

    It’s basically a remake of the excellent Eastside Hockey Manager, a freeware game which then spun off a number of commercial games.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastside_Hockey_Manager

    It was commercially made by Sports Interactive, the same company that continues to produce yearly iterations of Football Manager. Football Manager is essentially the exact same simulation model as EHM, but with a different sport.

    You can still get EHM as freeware, and a modding community releases yearly updates with new rosters since the last version of the game in 2007.

    http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/portal.php

    Franchise Hockey Manager at release was riddled with bugs and isn’t half as detailed as EHM was a decade ago. I don’t know if that remains the case. I highly recommend checking out the link above if you like sports simulations games.

  108. Woodguy says:

    book¡je: I beat you to saying you beat me to it to Lois.I think I also deserve a well done.

    Need a ride to the airport?

  109. book¡je says:

    Woodguy: Need a ride to the airport?

    Are you running me out of town?

  110. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear:
    Yes Goalies have An EVGA/60 Rate.
    A golaie can go from a strong Box Protection team and have elite Save% and then go to a team with poorer box protection and have there save % go down.
    Luck Fairies.
    Not the quality of box protection.

    Forwards who are strong possesion forwards can have a EVGA better than that goalie over time.
    Luck Fairies.

    Some players can have a large % of other players GD results be more effective with them than without.
    Luck fairies

    and on and on and on……………………
    we need to get us some good luck Faireis for the oilers.

    Anyone know witch craft to help us get these Good Luck Fairies!

    You’re right.

    Kelly is very good at stopping goals against when Rask and Thomas are in net and pretty awful in front of Elliott and Johnson……and Bob Freaking Gainey in front of Pascal Of All People Leclaire.

    If you trade for Kelly get Leclaire too.

  111. Jon K says:

    “I think this comes down to one of two options: running a Nuge-Arco-Drai-Gordon-Lander depth chart at center, with the understanding that any injury to Nuge or Gordon is catastrophic. OR they’re trading something that will hurt, like David Perron or Martin Marincin.
    What else do they have available that gets them a real live center?”

    I had mentioned here (earlier in the week perhaps) that the Oilers should take a look at Sobotka out of STL with his then impending salary arbitration. Now that he’s signed a 3 year deal in the KHL, any trade with STL seems doomed.

    Sobotka would have been very close to a perfect fit for the Oilers in 2C spot until Draisaitl was ready to take it over, and Sobotka’s skills would translate very well to being in the 3C spot. Good faceoff man, good ES player, fierce competitor.

    I can’t help but feel that MacT missed the boat with STL here, a sentiment shared by JW over at ON it seems. Disappointing.

  112. book¡je says:

    Sometimes I imagine that Jasmine has an Oilers blog with thousands of posts over years and years just like LT’s. Could you imagine what that blog would be like?

  113. Frank The Dog says:

    How do you reconcile “Get good players keep good players ” with “Trade Perron/Marincin/Eberle for (insert redundant player here)

  114. Mr DeBakey says:

    Jon K: I can’t help but feel that MacT missed the boat with STL here, a sentiment shared by JW over at ON it seems. Disappointing.

    Perhaps St Loo missed that darned boat?

  115. justDOit says:

    Mr DeBakey: Perhaps St Loo missed that darned boat?

    Regardless who missed what, MacT better have a suitcase full of cash when he visits Svobotka next summer, before the ‘opt out’ period.

  116. theres oil in virginia says:

    book¡je:
    Sometimes I imagine that Jasmine has an Oilers blog with thousands of postsover years and years just like LT’s.Could you imagine what that blog would be like?

    Thanks to the magic of TV, I don’t have to imagine it.

  117. rickithebear says:

    borisnikov:
    rickithebear,

    Are there any good luck fairies that can increase the quality of box protection of this space so you can’t get through?

    That is up to LT:

    Any time some one states luck!

    I think P.j. stock!

    Corsi relative tries to define just like GA or GF.

    we know there are a whole collection of variables offensively and defensively that are part of the final result.

    It is not luck!

    Player X has a history of Relative corsi At an average distance with a defined miss rate.

    (((relative corsi + team corsi) X (100% – misses%)) X Corsi distance %)
    tells the expected success rate of the Attacking player.

    Dfenceman:

    (corsi X blocks%) x Corsi distance % defines the Dman.

    Goalies are defined buy a save% curve by Distance.

    It is a whole collection of attacker with historic corsi distance (Shooting %)

    facing a collection of Defence with corsi distance variables. (Box entry %)

    and a Goalie with Save % curve. (save% by location, Distance)

    we want as many strong attackers with Good defenders and a strong Goalie curve.
    less amplitude than weaker goalies.

    Lately I have stated Corsi is the base of defining situational permutations.

    Corsi does have value!

    Ouch!

  118. book¡je says:

    theres oil in virginia: Thanks to the magic of TV, I don’t have to imagine it.

    That’s great!

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