RE 14-15 RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS: CLOUDS

The Edmonton Oilers chose Ryan Nugent-Hopkins No. 1 overall in the summer of 2011. In the three seasons we’ve seen “The Nuge” it’s very obvious he’s a special player. His range of skills is terrific, and he’s a wonder on the power play. We’ve seen enough of him now—even with the injuries and lockout—to make some claims about Nugent-Hopkins and what he’ll be as an NHL player. It’s good, very good. And if he can return to rookie levels at one important discipline, he’ll emerge as an impact player.

 RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS 11-12

  • 5×5 points per 60: 1.98 (3rd among regular forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 7.30 (1st among regular forwards, 1st in NHL)
  • Qual Comp: 4th toughest among regular forwards
  • Qual Team: 2nd best teammates among regular forwards
  • Corsi Rel: 5.6 (6th best among regular forwards)
  • Zone Start: 62.5% (easiest among regular forwards)
  • Zone Finish: 53.6% (2nd best among regular forwards)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 134/18 13.4% (2nd among F’s>100 shots)
  • Boxcars: 62gp, 18-34-52 .839

RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS 12-13

  • 5×5 points per 60: 1.29 (10th among regular forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 4.91 (4th among regular forwards)
  • Qual Comp: toughest among regular forwards (1st line opp)
  • Qual Team: 4th best teammates among regular forwards
  • Corsi Rel: 19.2 (3rd best among regular forwards)
  • Zone Start: 52.0% (3rd easiest among regular forwards)
  • Zone Finish: 48.5% (9th best among regular forwards)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 78/5.13% (7th among F’s>70 shots)
  • Boxcars: 40, 4-20-24 .600

RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS 13-14

  • 5×5 points per 60: 1.57 (4th among regular forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 4.49 (3rd among regular forwards)
  • Qual Comp: 2nd toughest among regular forwards (1st line opp)
  • Qual Team: best teammates among regular forwards (1st line teammates)
  • Corsi Rel: 2.7 (5th best among regular forwards)
  • Corsi for % 5×5: 44.9
  • Corsi for % Rel 5×5: +1.1
  • Zone Start: 58.4% (2nd easiest among regular forwards)
  • Zone Finish: 48.3% (3rd best among regular forwards)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 178/10.7% (4th among F’s>100 shots)
  • Boxcars: 80, 19-37-56 .700

VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER (CORSI REL)

hall sledge corsi rel

RE 13-14 REVIEW

PPG NAME GP G A PTS
1.02 RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS 13-14 RE 62 21 42 63
.700 RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS 13-14 ACTUAL 80 19 37 56

RE 14-15 PROJECTION

PPG NAME GP G A PTS
.829 RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS 14-15 RE 82 24 44 68
 
  1. We’re going to have the talk about even-strength scoring, aren’t we? Yes. Nuge led the team with 20 power-play points this season (20, tied with Eberle) and was fourth in EV points (behind Hall, Eberle and Perron).
  2. Does this mean he’s Marc Pouliot? No, no. He’s Dave Keon, with more offense. That’s a really good player.
  3. But he’s not going to be Sakic or Toews? Nuge at 20 scored .7 points per game, Toews was .841. Different teams mind, both had brilliant wingers, Toews had insane support at center. We’re three years in now, and you could make a major deal over the injuries….
  4. Yes please! The Oilers problem at center isn’t Nuge, despite all the things you hear. He’s played three seasons at 18, 19 and 20 against a tough bunch of ramrods in the western conference. He’s a good player on his way to something more.
  5. Where does he rank among centers? Nuge was 13th in PP points and 31st in even-strength points among centers.
  6. Does he score well 5×5 with anyone? According to Hockey Analysis.com he scores 1.85/60 5×5 with Eberle and 1.58/60 at 5×5 with Hall and with Yakupov. These are are such good players, I’d guess all of them should be well over 1.80/60 at 5×5 when playing together. The injury explains some, the Corgis some more, but at some point, if Nuge can’t get back to 1.80+ or so, we’re going to call him Keon plus.
  7. Where did he bat in the lineup? Top line, very strong match with Hall and Eberle at evens. Nuge played against top opposition but did get a nice zone-start push. It should be something he’s accustomed to, and he should make hay.
  8. He’ll never be Hall at evens. No crime there, No. 4 is really outstanding at even strength. Hall is also 17 months–basically TWO YEARS–older than the Nuge. That’s a crazy, crazy difference for two guys drafted in consecutive years. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is 21. He’s six months older than Nail Yakupov.
  9. So he’s a great player at everything but even strength scoring? Hmmm. I’d say RNH shows such a range of skills that he’ll be a complete player for many years, during the heart of his career. He is not yet the sum of his parts. Injuries have clouded the view a little but this is a wonderful young player.
  10. So, why are the projections up so high? Well, the power play should be improved and I’m assuming that the possession numbers improve as well. More time in the offensive zone and less time chasing should mean a spike.
  11. You don’t know that for sure. Well, yes I do. Either Dallas Eakins figures this out, or we see a new coach. Nuge was on a line that was close to 50% Corsi for 5×5 in his first two seasons, and he’s healthy. This is among the easiest bets I’ll make this summer during the RE series. He’s playing with sublime talent, we left last season with a 1.57/60 5×5, Nuge will be better. I’m confident.
  12. How much of this improvement you’ve projected is even strength? I have RNH moving from 13 to 15 goals at even strength, and from six to nine goals on the powerplay.
  13. And the assists? At evens, I have Nuge going from 23 to 28 (+5) and on the power play from 14 to 16 (+2).
  14. So, you have him returning to his rookie-level scoring at 5×5? Yes, that’s exactly it. It’s a hair more because he’ll play less at evens now that reason has come to town. I think Nuge being healthy, on the top line and getting a zone start push should put him at the same level as 2011-12.
  15. Cool. What about PP? Back to rookie levels? No, but it’s an upgrade for sure. I don’t think it’s reasonable to project him at his rookie levels. Love to see it again, though.
  16. Is he a disappointing No. 1 overall? Hell, no. Nuge isn’t Taylor Hall, but then again (as discussed) he’s much younger and of course plays a more difficult position. Nuge ranks pretty high in total points among players in their first three seasons (18 to 20, he’s No. 7) and points per game (18th, tied with Gaborik).  Nuge is fantastic, but he’s so young that it clouds the view. We’re impatient—why can’t he be HALL?—but as time rolls Nugent-Hopkins will impact the game more and more.
  17. Will he one day be capable of driving the bus without Hall? Sure, he’s a No. 1 overall pick and has a wide range of ability.
  18. He’s never really done anything special though. As a rookie, he finished third in the entire NHL with 20 PP assists.
  19. Why didn’t he repeat? Injury, new coach, someone was too stubborn to look at the tapes and see what was working on the PP before he arrived….
  20. And now it’s over. Jesus. What a pity party. At 20, Mark Messier went 72, 23-40-63 .875 and that was in a more offensive era. The memory plays tricks, it takes time to get there, especially when you start your NHL career before shaving.
  21. So you still like him? Love him! The NUMBER ONE concern Oilers fans should have is Nuge getting hurt. NUMBER. ONE.
  22. Wow. Bold, underline AND periods. Yes. Feel strongly.
  23. Will he play with Hall and Eberle? For much of the season, yes. At even strength, he spent 65% of his time on ice with Eberle and 57% with Taylor Hall. That’s definitely a line in modern times.
  24. Anyone else you’d like to see him with? I’d be interested in pre-season games where his wingers are Pouliot and Purcell, and maybe a few shifts with Leon on his left wing.
  25. Sam Gagner never got to 50 points in a season. Will RNH eventually reach that number? He already has, you idiot. He scored 56 points last season.
  26. Why this song? It’s about innocence, and the loss of innocence, and growing up and finding wisdom without losing the wonder. I think that’s where the Nuge is right now, and suspect Craig Ramsay is a rainbow.
  27. Who does he remind you of again? Dave Keon. With a power-play kicker.

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55 Responses to "RE 14-15 RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS: CLOUDS"

  1. Henry says:

    “How much of this improvement you’ve projected is even strength? I have RNH moving from 13 to 15 goals at even strength, and from six to nine goals on the powerplay.
    And the assists? At evens, I have Nuge going from 23 to 28 (+5) and on the power play from 14 to 16 (+2).
    So, you have him returning to his rookie-level scoring at 5×5? Yes, that’s exactly it. It’s a hair more because he’ll play less at evens now that reason has come to town. I think Nuge being healthy, on the top line and getting a zone start push should put him at the same level as 2011-12.”

    These are points 12, 13 and 14 from above.

    I believe RNH wasn’t strong enough to play the number of minutes he did particularly in games on consecutive nights. He was overworked at 20 against very tough opp. It showed up in his skating which is generally phenomenal, Federovian. Just a guess of course, but I think the coach was greedy or desperate.

    With fewer minutes, I bet his 5×5 numbers go up both /60 and overall.

    edit – I also believe he will grow into more minutes as he ages and gets stronger, but it is a process.

  2. TheOtherJohn says:

    Like Nuge. Expect having the ability to workout all summer should help him this year. Could see 65 pts based on 15 g and 50a.

    Do not think he is big enough to contest Getzlaf, Thornton, Kopitar, Backes, Toews on a nightly basis but expect it will be 2-3 years before LD is ready for that task

    Would have thought NUMBER ONE concern would be Hall getting hurt but ok……you like Nuge.

    Keon was a 1 man PK. But Nuge has way more offense

  3. Lowetide says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Like Nuge. Expect having the ability to workout all summer should help him this year. Could see 65 pts based on 15 g and 50a.

    Do not think he is big enough to contest Getzlaf, Thornton, Kopitar, Backes, Toews on a nightly basis but expect it will be 2-3 years before LD is ready for that task

    Would have thought NUMBER ONE concern would be Hall getting hurt but ok……you like Nuge

    Well, I have been known to use hyperbole.

  4. wintoon says:

    I also really like Nuge. While the Taylor Hall we see today and the Jordan Eberle we see today are largely what we will see in the years to come, what we are seeing of Nuge hasn’t scratched the surface of his potential. Whereas Hall’s game is bold, Nuge’s game is sublime.

    I believe he has considerable potential which has not yet been tapped. Now with Draisaitl as a running mate at centre, the skill and diversity which the Oilers will have going forward is truly impressive. With these two players the Oilers will present a significant challenge to defensive systems league wide and an opportunity for success that just hasn’t been here since the dynasty days.

  5. HBomb says:

    Item for discussion:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=457837

    Lars Eller and the Habs significantly apart in terms of contract talks.

    While the Cadillac solution is a likely pipe-dream (Jultz for Ryan O’Reilly) and Patrik Berglund might not be going anywhere because Sobotka left St. Loo for the KHL, is this a player who could fit the “middle six” center hole on the Oilers and provide a compliment to RNH, Gordon and the better of Arco/Drai?

    I like the player and think he fits the “2C who can drop to 3C as Leon grows as a player” mould.

  6. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    TheOtherJohn: Would have thought NUMBER ONE concern would be Hall getting hurt but ok……you like Nuge.

    I interpreted that as the number one concern the Oilers’ fans should have about the Nuge. as opposed to say his scoring or if he lives up the the #1 overall billing, etc.

  7. Shredder says:

    I have to agree that Nuge is the most important player we’ve got. Hall is the best offensive player for sure, but Nuge – with his all around skill set – will be the man that we should end up building around. He aids the defence in getting the puck back, and getting it out, and he makes sure the wingers have great chances to put the puck in the net. He is the glue that will make this team dangerous. But he’s no captain.

  8. Pouzar says:

    HBomb,

    Lars is too good for Jr.

    Sorry…..I couldn’t resist.

  9. bendelson says:

    HBomb,

    Agreed. Lars made my list of 2/3 C’s that make sense for the Oilers.
    After a poor regular season, I am assuming his playoff performance is the cause of the difficulty signing him…

  10. Woodguy says:

    And now it’s over. Jesus. What a pity party. At 20, Mark Messier went 72, 23-40-63 .875 and that was in a more offensive era. The memory plays tricks, it takes time to get there, especially when you start your NHL career before shaving.

    Awesome.

  11. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy:
    And now it’s over. Jesus. What a pity party. At 20, Mark Messier went 72, 23-40-63 .875 and that was in a more offensive era. The memory plays tricks, it takes time to get there, especially when you start your NHL career before shaving.

    Awesome.

    LT confirmed to me recently that RNH has in fact also kissed a girl. He wouldn’t reveal his source on the radio, however.

    I remain skeptical.

  12. rubbertrout says:

    Baby Nuge is my favorite Hands down. I have very high hopes for this young man. HE IS ONLY 21 REMEMBER!

  13. rubbertrout says:

    wintoon:
    I also really like Nuge. While the Taylor Hall we see today and the Jordan Eberle we see today are largely what we will see in the years to come, what we are seeing of Nuge hasn’t scratched the surface of his potential. Whereas Hall’s game is bold, Nuge’s game is sublime.

    I believe he has considerable potential which has not yet been tapped. Now with Draisaitl as a running mate at centre, the skill and diversity which the Oilers will have going forward is truly impressive. With these two players the Oilers will present a significant challenge to defensive systems league wide and an opportunity for success that just hasn’t been here since the dynasty days.

    YES YES A THOUSAND TIMES YE!

  14. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: LT confirmed to me recently that RNH has in fact also kissed a girl. He wouldn’t reveal his source on the radio, however.

    I remain skeptical.

    I have it on good authority! AND the girl he kissed was seen with alcohol!!! !!!

    !!!!!!

  15. wheatnoil says:

    Lowetide: I have it on good authority! AND the girl he kissed was seen with alcohol!!! !!!

    !!!!!!

    And you claim to have no inside knowledge!

  16. nycoil says:

    I’m curious as to how you arrive at your GP projections, LT. You have Hall getting hurt or suspended and RNH playing all the games. Just wondering.

    I think your RE is going to come in higher than mine in terms of goals, which was 225 total (200 from the forwards). You have Hall and Nuge both above what I am guessing, Perron and Pouliot bang in-line, which would be great.

  17. Hammers says:

    Shredder: I have to agree that Nuge is the most important player we’ve got. Hall is the best offensive player for sure, but Nuge – with his all around skill set – will be the man that we should end up building around. He aids the defence in getting the puck back, and getting it out, and he makes sure the wingers have great chances to put the puck in the net. He is the glue that will make this team dangerous. But he’s no captain.

    I see your point . If RNH goes down it will affect the team more than any other player . Time for Eakins to find someone else to go on the PK letting Hopkins have less minutes but with some soft minutes in there . I had the Nuge with both more goals & assists 26 + 50 =76 with even more potential . I wouldn’t mind the odd sortie of Perron , RNH & Ebs as whatever line Hall is on will get the other teams best “D” .

  18. Lowetide says:

    nycoil:
    I’m curious as to how you arrive at your GP projections, LT. You have Hall getting hurt or suspended and RNH playing all the games. Just wondering.

    I think your RE is going to come in higher than mine in terms of goals, which was 225 total (200 from the forwards). You have Hall and Nuge both above what I am guessing, Perron and Pouliot bang in-line, which would be great.

    Usually a three year average, but admit that Nuge’s injury was such a freak thing (and he’s played since coming back) it’s less of a concern than Hall (who is fear incorporated for Oilers fans, he’s so damn fast).

  19. Frank The Dog says:

    I’d love to see the comparables between Nuge and centers picked in the top 10 since 2011, and a projection of relative up and down arrows.

    Will Drai’s size and skill eventually relegate Nuge to a top #2C role?

  20. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    If anyone else shared my mild anxiety about Dubas leaving the Soo… this is a heartening article:

    http://www.saultstar.com/2014/07/24/thankfully-dubass-job-here-isnt-over—-ruicci-column

  21. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy:
    And now it’s over. Jesus. What a pity party. At 20, Mark Messier went 72, 23-40-63 .875 and that was in a more offensive era. The memory plays tricks, it takes time to get there, especially when you start your NHL career before shaving.

    Awesome.

    It’s worth mentioning that since Nuge is 17 months = “2 years” younger than Hall, that in Messier’s 20-year-old season he was 9 months younger than Nuge. Turned 20 just a couple of weeks before that stupid Jan 31 threshold date that Hockey-Reference uses. Whereas RNH turned 21 a couple months after that same threshold.

    I like Nuge plenty, but when you tread in the land of the gords, you’d better be on tiptoes.

  22. wheatnoil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    If anyone else shared my mild anxiety about Dubas leaving the Soo… this is a heartening article:

    http://www.saultstar.com/2014/07/24/thankfully-dubass-job-here-isnt-over—-ruicci-column

    Given Nurse has, at best, one more year in the organization, I’d be more concerned if Keefe was leaving. The article indicates that’s unlikely… still, we’ll see what remains to shake out in Toronto.

  23. Rondo says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Dubas on Nurse

    Soo GM Kyle Dubas said Nurse, who has nine goals and 26 points in 38 games this season, isn’t going anywhere.

    And it’s not just because of the number of minutes he logs for the Hounds, it’s the quality of minutes he plays.

    “He (Nurse) is such a pivotal player for us. He logs a lot of minutes and he logs the toughest minutes in the league by a pretty substantial margin. The quality of competition he faces is superior to anyone else in our league, particularly any other defencemen in our league.

    “To be able to fill those minutes would be so difficult. So his value to us is so incredibly high, it’s tough to really put words to it,” Dubas adds….

    “He is the best defenceman in the league,” Dubas insists. “I’m biased, but I’ve seen every other defenceman in the league. He logs between 25 to 30 minutes a night for us and always against the other team’s best players. No exception. No easy shifts. And he is having an excellent season.

  24. TheOtherJohn says:

    Follwing up on Rom and Bruce

    Reread LT’s comment…… stand by my comment,,,,,we lose Hall any playoff run is over. We lose Nuge and Jarred Smithson gets resigned and plays 14 TOI. Good thing old hockey adage is “you build your team on the wings first”: it may save us

    Re:Messier Oilers had a pretty good 1C too

  25. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    wheatnoil: Given Nurse has, at best, one more year in the organization, I’d be more concerned if Keefe was leaving. The article indicates that’s unlikely… still, we’ll see what remains to shake out in Toronto.

    Dubas really set the tone there. He hired Keefe and (according to Keefe) was instrumental in pushing Keefe forward with this thinking/implementation.

    But, yeah… keeping the same coach is big. There was some worry he’d be an assistant with the Leafs. Now, that doesn’t look like it is going to happen.

    I was mostly worried an new GM would come in and muck about. Dubas was a real outlier for the CHL. Good to hear he basically infected the team with his ideas and he’ll stay in touch.

  26. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Rondo,

    that’s from late Winter, right? around the time someone took a pot shot at Nurse in an out of town paper IIRC?

  27. Bruce McCurdy says:

    TheOtherJohn: old hockey adage is “you build your team on the wings first”:

    Whose adage is that??

  28. Bruce McCurdy says:

    25. Sam Gagner never got to 50 points in a season. Will RNH eventually reach that number? He already has, you idiot. He scored 56 points last season.

    … and 52 points in his other non-lockout season.

  29. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Rondo,

    that’s from late Winter, right? around the time someone took a pot shot at Nurse in an out of town paper IIRC?

    At a guess, it was sometime between Nurse’s 38th & 39th game. :)

  30. justDOit says:

    Sweet Baby Nuge! I’m not sure which is more sublime, his edge work or his takeaways. They really go together though, so it’s best not to nitpick…

    It’s surprising how young he is, given the years of experience he already has in the world’s best league. For The Nuge to have a complete off-season to train instead of rehabilitate, and with a couple more whiskers on his chin, I like the chances of him blowing the doors off of his RE.

  31. wheatnoil says:

    Frank The Dog:
    I’d love to see the comparables between Nuge and centers picked in the top 10 since 2011, and a projection of relative up and down arrows.

    Will Drai’s size and skill eventually relegate Nuge to a top #2C role?

    Nuge and Draisaitl had similar NHL-Es and, in fact, had almost the same number of points in their draft year (106 vs 105). Nuge got 56% of his points in his draft year on the powerplay vs about 46% for Draisaitl. This may indicate Draisaitl has a little more even-strength offence. The problem is that we don’t have TOI for the Nuge in juniors, so it’s tough to know.

    There is the possibility that Nuge could be 2C but on the first PP unit.

    Draisaitl’s got a long way to go before he could possibly unseat Nuge, though. It would be a good problem to have 3 or 4 or 5 years down the road.

  32. TheOtherJohn says:

    Never heard of that adage before but was trying to justify a team with lots of wings, a single top 9 C and drafting D late in a rebuild

  33. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bruce McCurdy: At a guess, it was sometime between Nurse’s 38th & 39th game.

    why do I feel like I just missed a joke?

  34. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: why do I feel like I just missed a joke?

    Read Rondo’s comment again, right from the top.

  35. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Read Rondo’s comment again, right from the top.

    Ah ha! I see what you did there… NOW.

    So, probably, then… it was around the 36-38 game mark or thereabouts, if his GM is already responding to something.

    It’s possible Dubas was responding to something else, like a trade rumor… and I’ve conflated the weird Nurse is bad storyline with this interview.

  36. Kitchener says:

    Frank The Dog,

    Let’s hope we’re debating who the 1C/2C is in a few years. The same debate hasn’t hurt Pittsburgh.

    Is there any Oiler where health is a more critical factor to team success than Nuge this year? Scrivens? Close, but no. Hall? Not with team depth on wing. Any single defender? Nope. Gordon? Close again, but no.

    Here’s hoping 4-93-14 play all 82 games together and tear up the conference. That line’s cycling ability is rarely discussed, but man is it exciting when the three buzz around the offensive boards tiring out defenders before suddenly having the puck on someone’s tape with an open net.

    What a treat having 93 in Copper & Blue.

  37. bry_oil says:

    Frank The Dog,

    I had a few minutes on my lunch break and figured why not go take a look at hockeydb. So I got some numbers for all centers drafted in the top 10 and just my quick 2-cents on each player.
    2010
    Seguin@2 283, 93-112-205, 0.724. Hasn’t played much center but looked good last year. Is already a really good player in the league
    Johansen@4 189, 47-49-96, 0.508. Strong breakout season last year, if he continues on that track looks to be a big, strong, skilled center
    Skinner@7 259, 97-88-185, 0.714. Haven’t seen or heard much about him other than he looks like a guy that will give you 30-30-60 consistently.
    Burmistrov@8 194, 23-35-58, 0.300. Played in the KHL last year, doubt he comes back over. didn’t show much while he was here
    2011
    NUGE@1 182, 41-91-132, 0.725. PP specialist, great 2-way game. Definitely still needs to put on some weight but it sure looks like we got a hell of a player here.
    huberdeau@3 117, 23-36-59, 0.504. Strong rookie year then suffered sophomore slump. Haven’t really seen or heard enough to comment
    Strome@5 37, 7-11-18, 0.486. Very good offensively and should have opportunities this year. Looks to be on track as offensive second line type of center
    Zibanejad@6 120, 22-31-54, 0.450. Has that strong Swedish two-way look to him and hasn’t really been given a ton of opportunity in OTT yet. Should have a strong year upcoming.
    Scheifle@7 74, 14-21-35, 0.473. strong rookie campaign and will be interesting to watch this year. Possibly looking at a top line center
    Couterirer@8 205, 30-51-81, 0.395. Plays very strong defensively and adds some offense. I see him as no more than a 2C at any point in his career.
    2012
    Galchenyuk@3 113, 22-36-58, 0.513. If he doesn’t miss that last year of junior i think he goes @ 1 overall. Some nice looking numbers.
    2013
    Mackinnon@1, 82-24-39-63, 0.768. Clearly in the upper echelon of the 1 OV selected recently. Kids got all the tools to be a star. Interested to see his sophomore season
    Barkov@2 54, 8-16-24, 0.444. Put up some good numbers in the offense starved Florida, can’t really speak to his play though.
    Lindholm@5 58, 9-12-21, 0.362. I see his peak being a 2C, more likely ends up a 3C. Got the offensive push in CAR and didn’t put up the numbers.
    Monahan@6 75, 22-12-34, 0.453. Had some puck luck in terms of goal scoring. clearly needed another year in junior. Don’t think he will be a true 1C but a very good player.
    Horvat@9 didn’t play NHL but had 54, 30-44-74 for the London Knights. Haven’t seen him play but his ceiling has to be a 2C. I see him to be more of a 3C that can fill in at 2C when needed type of guy.

    From this we can clearly see that Nuge, Seguin, Skinner and Mackinnon are the class of the group. Seguin gets a ton of credit for being an offensive dynamo and Nuge doesn’t get enough credit IMO (funny what difference being on a good team does for your image). Burmistrov is the only player that hasn’t, or is looking like, they won’t become a very useful player

  38. TeeVee says:

    Pouzar:
    HBomb,

    Lars is too good for Jr.

    Sorry…..I couldn’t resist.

    Eakins: Well, well, Mr. Eller. We meet again. Now drop and give me 1000.

    Eller: Sigh.

  39. jake70 says:

    Kitchener: Frank The Dog, . That line’s cycling ability is rarely discussed, but man is it exciting when the three buzz around the offensive boards tiring out defenders before suddenly having the puck on someone’s tape with an open net.What a treat having 93 in Copper & Blue.

    And?….after the guy has it with the open net….then what happens? ;-)

  40. TheGreatMutato says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: LT confirmed to me recently that RNH has in fact also kissed a girl. He wouldn’t reveal his source on the radio, however.

    I remain skeptical.

    Could perhaps help make the Tragically Hip a fitting house-band for an upcoming RE.

  41. steveb12344 says:

    jake70: And?….after the guy has it with the open net….then what happens?

    Arcobello fires it, and it’s juuust a bit outside.

    At least that’s better than “and Horcoff whiffs again.”

    In all seriousness though, I think Arco was feeling the nerves as a rookie and just choking up on his stick a little too much last year. I think he will work it out. He sure has no problem putting the biscuit in the basket at the AHL level.

  42. Ca$h-Money! says:

    steveb12344: Arcobello fires it, and it’s juuust a bit outside.

    At least that’s better than“and Horcoff whiffs again.”

    In all seriousness though, I think Arco was feeling the nerves as a rookie and just choking up on his stick a little too much last year.I think he will work it out.He sure has no problem putting the biscuit in the basket at the AHL level.

    Ya, seeing how Arco performs is one of the things I’m looking forward to the most next year. I really think highly of him as a player and hope he uses next year to cement his place as an NHLer for years to come. Wouldn’t it be great if he and Lander both turned out to be players? That would give the new crop in the AHL a few years to develop while maintaining center depth at the NHL level, all without needing to overpay free agents. It would be game changing for this organization.

  43. steveb12344 says:

    Ca$h-Money!: Ya, seeing how Arco performs is one of the things I’m looking forward to the most next year.I really think highly of him as a player and hope he uses next year to cement his place as an NHLer for years to come.Wouldn’t it be great if he and Lander both turned out to be players?That would give the new crop in the AHL a few years to develop while maintaining center depth at the NHL level, all without needing to overpay free agents.It would be game changing for this organization.

    I agree with you completely on that.

    I like both players a lot too.

    Arco may just have what it takes. I think he just needs a solid opportunity to play on a skill line with wingers that have a little size and he may just excel.

    Lander should be trying to rent a room off Boyd Gordon and pick up as much as he can from him. If he ever makes it as an NHL’er that would be the exact role he would be best suited for.

  44. Frank The Dog says:

    Thanks everyone for the info.
    So looking back to the two drafts, they ended up as Hall then Nuge, instead of Seguin then Landeskog.

    Nuge is the quiet determined student that just kissed his first drinking girl, Seguin looks like the party animal whose numbers may have been positively influenced by playing on competitive teams with an NHL level coaching team – where we had some good coaches that were hobbled by politically selected Boys on the Bus. I’m hoping Nuge still has his best years ahead of him, more so than for Seguin, who hopefully parties himself out.

    Goes without saying that while Landeskog is pretty good, Hall is a beast. I take Hall every day of every week. Seems to me we ended up with the superior C/LW combo over Seguin/Landeskog.

    Also it does seem that failing a collapse or injury, if Drai works out as planned we’ll likely have a 1A and 1B similar to Pittsburgh but with a more balanced spread of salary across the team.

    Lookin’ good, roll on TC.

  45. Showerhead says:

    So much wisdom about RNH, LT. Baby Nuge is old enough to drink in Vegas now and, health willing, should be ready to kick out the jams from day 1. I am fully behind your reasonable expectations for this player.

    If Edmonton can play a good enough possession game to create the opportunity, I vote they give 4-93-14 the Sedin treatment of old – throw them out in the offensive zone time and time again. I don’t think the Oilers have soft-minute-killers any better than this and even if they keep Draisaitl, at least he’ll have a veteran or two on his line so I’d worry more about opposition than zone start with him.

    This team isn’t “good” yet, but it’s sure getting better. Thanks as always for the great reads.

  46. justDOit says:

    HBomb:
    Item for discussion:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=457837

    Lars Eller and the Habs significantly apart in terms of contract talks.

    While the Cadillac solution is a likely pipe-dream (Jultz for Ryan O’Reilly) and Patrik Berglund might not be going anywhere because Sobotka left St. Loo for the KHL, is this a player who could fit the “middle six” center hole on the Oilers and provide a compliment to RNH, Gordon and the better of Arco/Drai?

    I like the player and think he fits the “2C who can drop to 3C as Leon grows as a player” mould.

    Well that article had to be way off base, because he just signed 4 yrs @ $3.5M AAV. More than what he was purportedly fighting for.

  47. Bank Shot says:

    I really hope Hopkins has a huge season this year. The vast majority of the first forwards taken in the Draft hit their offensive peak in their first four seasons.

    Seeing as this is the case it sure would be nice to see Hopkins hammer out 75+ points rather then leaving us hoping that the curve is different for Nuge.

    Oilers fans need a break.

  48. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    TheGreatMutato: Could perhaps help make the Tragically Hip a fitting house-band for an upcoming RE.

    I missed the reference (I’m missing everything today it seems).

    Are the Hip a thing in Alberta?

    I grew up in BC (Vic) and I was the right age for that band and so were my peers. We didn’t give a lick about them. No one did out there.

    When I moved to Ontario… no one would shut up about them. Real Hip Culture Shock.

    My wife, from Ont., loves them. She’s always sings that lyric (the only one I know… because of her) “she said she didn’t give a fuck about hockey/I’d never heard that before” or something. I actually don’t know the song. But that is true… she doesn’t (my wife) give a fuck about hockey. And, that’s fine with me lady.

    psst… anyone get the Long Goodbye reference?

  49. Showerhead says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I missed the reference (I’m missing everything today it seems).

    Are the Hip a thing in Alberta?

    I grew up in BC (Vic) and I was the right age for that band and so were my peers. We didn’t give a lick about them. No one did out there.

    When I moved to Ontario… no one would shut up about them. Real Hip Culture Shock.

    My wife, from Ont., loves them. She’s always sings that lyric (the only one I know… because of her) “she said she didn’t give a fuck about hockey/I’d never heard that before” or something. I actually don’t know the song. But that is true… she doesn’t (my wife) give a fuck about hockey. And, that’s fine with me lady.

    psst… anyone get the Long Goodbye reference?

    I went through the exact same Tragically Hip culture shock when I moved from a small town in Manitoba to Toronto for the last two years of high school. Here was this band that I’d heard of and maybe heard on the radio a couple times without thinking twice about and then I showed up in southern Ontario and people would not shut up about them. I downloaded half their discography just to figure out what people wouldn’t stop talking about.

    In the years since, I’ve warmed up quite a bit on the band but only as far as their greatest hits would go. My guess at TheGreatMutato’s joke would be the song “38 Years Old” but I’m not 100% sure because I just don’t know it well enough.

    “Freezing slow time, away from the world
    He’s thirty eight years old, never kissed a girl
    He’s thirty eight years old, never kissed a girl”

  50. Lowetide says:

    I’ve worked at the Bear (in the building) since before there was the Bear. I have teased ALL of the people (originally quite a few from Ontario, like Batty and Eric and others) that Tragically Hip was their generation’s Trooper. GOD that would make them mad. I’m an ass, but did enjoy that joke for over a decade.

  51. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Showerhead: I went through the exact same Tragically Hip culture shock when I moved from a small town in Manitoba to Toronto for the last two years of high school. Here was this band that I’d heard of and maybe heard on the radio a couple times without thinking twice about and then I showed up in southern Ontario and people would not shut up about them. I downloaded half their discography just to figure out what people wouldn’t stop talking about.

    In the years since, I’ve warmed up quite a bit on the band but only as far as their greatest hits would go. My guess at TheGreatMutato’s joke would be the song “38 Years Old” but I’m not 100% sure because I just don’t know it well enough.

    “Freezing slow time, away from the world
    He’s thirty eight years old, never kissed a girl
    He’s thirty eight years old, never kissed a girl”

    I see you here. It’s not like I dislike the band or anything. I just don’t actively enjoy them or give them much thought… but they are like a religion to some out here.

    And, your guess sounds eminently plausible to me.

    Lowetide:
    I’ve worked at the Bear (in the building) since before there was the Bear. I have teased ALL of the people (originally quite a few from Ontario, like Batty and Eric and others) that Tragically Hip was their generation’s Trooper. GOD that would make them mad. I’m an ass, but did enjoy that joke for over a decade.

    Not Triumph?

    Trooumper?

  52. TheGreatMutato says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    It’s interesting to hear that the band is more or less an afterthought in some places. Given their profile around these parts, I naturally assumed that they occupied a seat in the great pantheon of Canadiana within screaming distance of the likes of an Ian Tyson or Stan Rogers. As in, they are ubiquitous enough to have become an excepted part of our culture. That was a naive assumption =)

    And yes, the joke (or lack thereof) did refer to 38 Years Old. A song about a boy losing his youth to a bad situation. Let’s hope that’s not the case for young Mr. Hopkins.

  53. LP says:

    Rondo:

    I was listening to the radio the other day, and was Dubas speaking with someone on TSN1260, and he said the SSM Greyhounds were essentially planning on playing without Nurse, regardless of the Oilers.

    My impression was that he would surely play a few games in the NHL, but would eventually come back to SSM.

    Not sure what the Oilers will do, but I know what right thing to do is.

    BTW I think your article is from January 2014.

    On the Tragically Hip matter, I agree with the other poster who said 38 years old.

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