TAKE IT TO THE LIMIT

It wasn’t that long ago that Red Line Report was fretting about Dillon Simpson’s foot speed. “A pretty bad skater and he doesn’t have any poise moving the puck” they said, and damned if the kid didn’t go about the work of improving his across the board skills while at UND and turning that statement into a lie. Kids! Don’t know their limitations!

And that, my friends, is a good thing.

Dillon Simpson turns pro this fall, it’s a big step for him. Drafted in 2011, he spent his development time in a league that plays (basically) half the games of a CHL team. Simpson’s skill set works in the pro game, not because he’s an offensive defenseman, but because he has a range of skills and work ethic. Alan Hull did an interview with Simpson over a year ago, and the insight into the player and his thought process is impressive. A portion:

Simpson: “Well, for anyone who has followed me since before I was drafted, the draft notes likely all said that footspeed was something I need to improve, and so it’s something that I’ve really been working on over the last couple of years with my coaches and with the strength and conditioning coach. We’ve really tried to put a lot of emphasis on that part of my game and I think that so far this year it has been showing. I feel like I’m able to get myself up into the play a lot more. I feel much more confident in my footspeed in terms of being able to keep up with plays and close gaps. It’s certainly something I feel is improving and I’m going to continue working on it, so it’s definitely getting better.”

If you’re going to bet on one of these prospects at this year’s camp, bet on the guys with a a strong work ethic and willingness to learn. Talent is king in pro sports, but you can fool the Gods if you work hard enough, and those Simpson genes can only help along the way. Much of what Red Line talked about on draft day reflected the fact Simpson was only 17 at UND in his draft season. His teammate that year, Chay Genoway, was 23, and he has three years of AHL experience (and 1 NHL game) since.

Dillon Simpson has a lot of natural talent, don’t kid yourself. Added to the brain and the desire? He begins this season well down the pro defense chart, let’s see how far he climbs in one calendar year.

EDMONTON OILERS ROOKIE CAMP INVITE LIST

  • G Keven Bouchard—Big Q goalie drafted by the Oilers on Saturday
  • G Laurent Brossoit—Oilers top goaltending prospect getting set for a big year
  • G Zach Nagelvoort—Impressive NCAA goalie, I like him.
  • G Ty Rimmer—They like this guy. 22-years old, keeps showing up in places.
  • NOT attending: Frans Tuohimaa
  • D Ben Betker—Tall tree with speed, Oiler pick, stay-at-home type.
  • D Dylan Bredo—Camp invite, plays for Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL)
  • D Graeme Craig—Finished junior career, signed with Okla City for 2014-15.
  • D Josh Healey—Edmontonian playing for Ohio State. Sophomore year coming up.
  • D Joey LaLeggia—Oiler draft pick delivered another impressive offensive season.
  • D CJ Ludwig—Craig’s boy, he’ll play in Okla City for 2014-15.
  • D Darnell Nurse—The jewel of the organization.
  • D Jordan Oesterle—College signing, he’s a legit prospect.
  • D Dillon Simpson—One of the impressive new pro’s this fall, looking forward to his progress.
  • NOT attending: William Lagesson
  • C Greg Chase—The best forward at the rookie camp last fall, a big season for him on the way.
  • C Leon Draisaitl—The big, sexy pick this season may be Borg. Scary size/skill combination.
  • C Colin Markison—Undersized college center without offense. Unusual skill set.
  • C Kyle Platzer—A big season on the way, he’ll finally be a featured player in the OHL.
  • C Marco Roy—A strong, healthy season a must.
  • C Tyler Vesel—Very curious about this plaer.
  • C Bogdan Yakimov—6.05, 202. 6.05 forwards are as rare as Halley’s comet.
  • NOT attending: Liam Coughlin.
  • L Evan Campbell—Older prospect, curious about what they saw.
  • L Jujhar Khaira—Listed as LW here, C through junior. Big man.
  • L Alex Krushelnyski—Mike’s boy, completed college and looking for work.
  • L Mitchell Moroz—Pro career gets underway this fall.
  • L Aidan Muir—Still raw based on reports, had a nice finish to the season.
  • L Josh Winquist—Scoring winger turns pro with Okla City.
  • NOT attending: Anton Slepyshev, Daniil Zharkov.
  • R Chris Baltisberger—22-year old Swiss winger with no offense.
  • R Jackson Houck—Enjoyed a strong junior season.
  • R Brandon Magee—Small, very skilled winger on his way to Czech leaque.
  • R John McCarron—College man has one more year to go. Big forward.
  • NOT attending:

OILERS EXTEND NELSON

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Late to the party here, but the Oilers made a wise move in extending Todd Nelson’s contract in recent days. Since arriving in OKC, the following players have made it to the NHL:

  • R Colin McDonald, now a regular with the NY Islanders and 122 games into his NHL career.
  • L Teemu Hartikainen, 52 games of NHL activity and now in the Toronto Maple Leaf system.
  • L Linus Omark, made it to the NHL for 79 games, suspect he’s going to be in Europe now.
  • D Jeff Petry, 236 NHL games and counting. A fine young defenseman.
  • C Mark Arcobello, 42 games into his NHL career and things are looking up.
  • C Chris VandeVelde, 46 games into his NHL career.
  • R Tyler Pitlick, 10 games into his NHL career, injuries derailing him but he’s still a prospect.
  • C Anton Lander, 94 games into his NHL career and perhaps ready to stay in the NHL.
  • D Martin Marincin, 44 games into his NHL career and things look very promising.
  • D Taylor Fedun, just 4 NHL games but he’s got a nice chance in San Jose.
  • D Oscar Klefbom, who may end up being the best of the bunch.

Nelson’s Barons produced three very nice defensemen (Petry, Marincin and Klefbom) with more on the way. The forward group is less impressive, but the first-round forwards always found their way to the NHL right after the draft. I didn’t include Magnus Paajarvi because he spent over 100 games in the NHL before arriving in Oklahoma City, but he was part of the group as well.

Good arrows from last year’s team. Who among them may one day reach the NHL? I’ll go with Martin Gernat and David Musil.

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Copper and Blue writer Scott Reynolds does a brilliant comparable series each summer, the Draisaitl piece is up and you’re going to want to read it.

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Toronto has made a bid on David Legwand, we don’t know about Edmonton. I wrote something here last night on the subject.

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If they can’t sign Legwand, and a trade isn’t there, does Mark Arocbello win the day? I asked that question here. Arcobello isn’t the sexy pick, and I’m not saying he’ll be there 10 years, but remember we’re looking for a bridge. I get that he’ll have a hard time with Thornton and Getzlaf and Benn, but can Josh Bailey do a clearly better job? I’m not sure that answer is an absolute yes.

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LOWDOWN

A busy day on the Lowdown. 10 this morning, TSN 1260, I’ll be joined by:

  • Dennis King, Oilogosphere icon.
  • Andrew Berkshire, Habs Eyes on the Prize.
  • Rob Vollman, ESPN. He was singing the praises of Mark Fayne before free agency, I’ll ask him about that signing and others.
  • Steve Dangle, Leafs Nation. Looks like the Leafs are hot after Legwand today, it’s been a confusing summer so far there.

10-1260 on text, @Lowetide_ on twitter. I’m also in with Wil Fraser on the TSN morning show beginning at 8 this morning.

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169 Responses to "TAKE IT TO THE LIMIT"

  1. thejonrmcleod says:

    Tambellini must not have read the scouting report that Simpson lacked puck-moving poise.

  2. Chris Hext---formerly EasyOil--- says:

    Other goalie not attending apparently is Tyler Bunz, whom as Rom and I discussed briefly in the previous thread is being billed as a future NHL star for the upcoming USA v Canada series here in Australia.

  3. doritogrande says:

    •C Bogdan Yakimov—6.05, 202. 6.05 forwards are as rare as Halley’s comet.

    I think you mean “capable 6’05″ forwards. Alexei Mikhnov says hello.

    No Mitch Holmberg? Curious.

  4. Chris Hext---formerly EasyOil--- says:

    Also, is Mitch Holmberg on an AHL contract for this year? I know they signed him for the tail end of last season, but what about 2014/15? And if so is he attending camp?

    EDIT: DG beat me to it.

  5. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bunz wasn’t invited. we chatted about this last night too…

    he may be in Australia

    [edit] everyone’s beating everyone to everything.

  6. russ99 says:

    Very interested in Winquist and Magee. They’re something that the system is very light on, skilled wingers. Roy too, but he’s a center.

    I wonder if they have a chance to move up and impact at OKC this year, since the forward group looks to have a very heavy 2-way/checker makeup, thanks to Tambi’s Lucic hunt.

    Also, no on Arco at 2C. We need more than 2 NHL centers so it’s not like that road trip in Nashville two years ago but all season long.

    Arco’s good in a pinch, but should be no more than a stopgap. Plus he could help us at wing on the 4th line, which means one less fighter.

  7. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Winquist and a variety of other players on this list are also on AHL SPCs… so I have no idea why Holmberg would be left off the list.

  8. Pouzar says:

    doritogrande: •C Bogdan Yakimov—6.05, 202. 6.05 forwards are as rare as Halley’s comet.I think you mean “capable 6’05″ forwards. Alexei Mikhnov says hello.No Mitch Holmberg? Curious.

    Careful son. That’s my boy!

  9. Pouzar says:

    What’s the deal with Fiddler? He asks out then re-signs?

  10. Dicky94 says:

    Is that Ludwig signed by the Oil or just OKC. If he plays like his dad and wears his dad’s shin pads, he might be something to keep an eye on.

  11. G Money says:

    Re: Marcobello handling the rigours of 2C.

    Our brief look at him last year suggested:

    - he may be tiny but plays WAY above his weight. He’s 170ish and plays like he’s 190ish. Contrasted with Gagner who was 200ish and played like he was 180ish.

    - his defensive coverage was also quite a bit better than Gagner’s.

    - his playmaking was deft but his shot was such a muffin that even Smyth was embarassed

    With the addition of two big veteran wingers in Purcell and Pouliot to go with Yak and Perron, it may be an experiment that works.

  12. HallDown says:

    I get the distinct feeling our new German son will be playing 2C this fall. It didn’t seem to hurt RNH, and he’s the size of the Draisaitl’s breakfast, so who knows it could be ok. Wouldn’t be taking days off work in late April, though.

  13. Lowetide says:

    Bunz was a 2010 draft, no? CHL kids would be pro two seasons by now, this is FA’s plus the 2011, 2012 and 2013 drafts and of course the brand new people

  14. Lowetide says:

    doritogrande:
    •C Bogdan Yakimov—6.05, 202. 6.05 forwards are as rare as Halley’s comet.

    I think you mean “capable 6’05″ forwards. Alexei Mikhnov says hello.

    No Mitch Holmberg? Curious.

    Meh. Mikhnov couldn’t see or skate.

  15. russ99 says:

    HallDown,

    The whole idea of signing a 2C is that to have a backup plan in case Leon goes back to Prince Albert after his 9 game audition.

    I’d love to see him make it, but as MacT said, we need to do what’s best for the player.

    If he does make it, ideally that would be on a sheltered 3rd line with Yak, so we need a 2C anyway.

    IMO, the reason we have’t signed a C are twofold, cap room and that nobody really good wants to sign for a year of two yet since they all know eventually Draisaitl will take their job.

    We’re gonna have to be patient and wait for the right time when those players/terms are available, which is not the first week of FA. Sure there’ll be slim pickings, but last year we were all over MacT for not signing one of those late signings that turned out to be a decent player.

  16. wheatnoil says:

    Reports out of Finland have the Leafs signing veteran Euro free agent Petri Kontiola. Could be interesting.— James Mirtle (@mirtle) July 3, 2014

    I wonder if this means they’re out of the Legwand market? Or maybe they’re after both.

  17. HallDown says:

    russ99:
    HallDown,

    The whole idea of signing a 2C is that to have a backup plan in case Leon goes back to Prince Albert after his 9 game audition.

    I’d love to see him make it, but as MacT said, we need to do what’s best for the player.

    If he does make it, ideally that would be on a sheltered 3rd line with Yak, so we need a 2C anyway.

    IMO, the reason we have’t signed a C are twofold, cap room and that nobody really good wants to sign for a year of two yet since they all know eventually Draisaitl will take their job.

    We’re gonna have to be patient and wait for the right time when those players/terms are available, which is not the first week of FA. Sure there’ll be slim pickings, but last year we were all over MacT for not signing one of those late signings that turned out to be a decent player.

    Yep, and all those reasons are fueling my suspicions. Based on MacT’s FA signings, which used up all his cap $$, I think Marco is the back-up plan.

  18. godot10 says:

    Justin Schultz got half an AHL season under Nelson. He should count too.

  19. PunjabiOil says:

    Earlier this week, Bob Mckenzie reported that the Oilers were interested in Olli Jokinen. He then signed for 2.5M one year in Nashville. Possibilities:

    1. They were bluffing
    2. They had a change of heart (unlikely)
    3. They have a deal lined up in principle with another team.
    4. They have a deal lined up with another free agent (say Legwand or Derek roy)

    We wait.

  20. Lowetide says:

    godot10:
    Justin Schultz got have an AHL season under Nelson.He should count too.

    lockout. Very sketchy.

  21. HiddenDarts says:

    G Money:
    Re: Marcobello handling the rigours of 2C.

    Our brief look at him last year suggested:

    - he may be tiny but plays WAY above his weight.He’s 170ish and plays like he’s 190ish.Contrasted with Gagner who was 200ish and played like he was 180ish.

    - his defensive coverage was also quite a bit better than Gagner’s.

    - his playmaking was deft but his shot was such a muffin that even Smyth was embarassed

    With the addition of two big veteran wingers in Purcell and Pouliot to go with Yak and Perron, it may be an experiment that works.

    I agree fully with this. Finally, a smart post about Arco.

    Yesterday, someone noted that when Gagner was crapping the bed, everyone was DYING to see Arco take that number 2 spot. Now, he’s a crappy, tiny non-NHL player who just can’t do the job.

    No wonder nobody wants to sign with the Oilers. Even the smartest fans (Lowetide posters) are schizo as hell!

  22. John Chambers says:

    The Desperation of Garth Snow

    Oilers are running outta money. Shucks. Need to find a C on the cheap in order to keep Petry long-term, and get goosebumps about going into the season with a real top-to-bottom NHL lineup.

    But let’s go raid Wang’s schmuck. He’s on a better footing today, but let’s face it he’s still being sh*t on in Long Island.

    The Islanders are interesting and now have a plethora of centres (Tavares – Neilson – Grabovski – Strome -Bailey), Snow would want a 2015 first so bad he’ll wet himself, and I would think the Oilers’ has some decent value.

    But it has to return an inexpensive contract

    It would hurt next year, but imagine a future of Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan Strome, and Draisaitl as your top 3. Sign Petry. Watch the plants grow.

  23. Doomoil says:

    russ99:
    HallDown,

    The whole idea of signing a 2C is that to have a backup plan in case Leon goes back to Prince Albert after his 9 game audition.

    Uhhhh no. The whole point is to make sure he stays down in junior.

    It’s not a back up in case he isn’t good enough to stick with the big club, that’s ridiculous.

  24. Doomoil says:

    PunjabiOil:
    Earlier this week, Bob Mckenzie reported that the Oilers were interested in Olli Jokinen. He then signed for 2.5M one year in Nashville. Possibilities:

    1. They were bluffing
    2. They had a change of heart (unlikely)
    3. They have a deal lined up in principle with another team.
    4. They have a deal lined up with another free agent (say Legwand or Derek roy)

    We wait.

    Or they/he just decided to walk away? The Oilers were interested in every good center on the market.

    Ollie Jokinen had a bunch of suitors. One paid him more than the others would.

  25. wheatnoil says:

    Doomoil: Or they/he just decided to walk away? The Oilers were interested in every good center on the market.

    Ollie Jokinen had a bunch of suitors. One paid him more than the others would.

    Or Nashville didn’t offer him the most, but Jokinen made his choice for any number of other reasons.

  26. Ducey says:

    PunjabiOil: Earlier this week, Bob Mckenzie reported that the Oilers were interested in Olli Jokinen. He then signed for 2.5M one year in Nashville. Possibilities:1. They were bluffing2. They had a change of heart (unlikely)3. They have a deal lined up in principle with another team.4. They have a deal lined up with another free agent (say Legwand or Derek roy)We wait.

    5. Ollie preferred NASH

    Edit: Everyone really is beating everyone to everything

  27. Ducey says:

    Matty reported that Moroz is not participating in any of the on ice stuff at the camp.

    Might have cost him some effectiveness in the playoffs.

    Hopefully he will be ok come Sept.

  28. rickithebear says:

    doritogrande:

    doritogrande says:

    July 3, 2014 at 7:36 am

    •C Bogdan Yakimov—6.05, 202. 6.05 forwards are as rare as Halley’s comet.
    I think you mean “capable 6’05″ forwards. Alexei Mikhnov says hello.

    Yeah i know Mcdavid is producing the best since crosby!

    But as dorito grande Says:
    performance relatiuve to peers means nothing!
    Mcdavid is all luck!

    .20+ GPG .30+ PPG
    18 yr Season RSL/KHL
    Semin
    Ovechkin
    Malkin
    Tarasenko
    Kuznetsov
    Slepyshev
    Yakupov
    Yakimov.

    Yeah i know 6’5″ 222lb (khl site) 59% FO% and scoring like his peers.
    All luck!

    Mikhnov 19 yr season RSL 25gm 2G 1 A .08 GPG .12 PPG
    Kulemin 19 yr season RSL .16 GPG .41 PPG
    performance difference between age 18-19
    Equal results 18 years to 19. the 19 years results in NHL should be 30-40% less than the 18 years old.
    Best Case I am ok with a 30% more production than Kulemin for Yakimov.

  29. Racki says:

    Honest question here.. Aside from Simpson’s self diagnosis.. Is there proof the weak areas of his game have improved a fair bit?

  30. uni says:

    Craig Ludwig? *spit*.

    Dallas scum.

    Bad enough having to watch Horcoff and now Hemsky in Stars uniforms.

  31. HallDown says:

    Doomoil: Uhhhh no. The whole point is to make sure he stays down in junior.

    It’s not a back up in case he isn’t good enough to stick with the big club, that’s ridiculous.

    Players get drafted 1OV or 3OV because there’s a great chance they can make the club this year. You don’t send him down just because he’s young, you send him down because he’s not ready, and it’s entirely possible LD will be ready. The ideal place for him on the big team is 3C, but if MacT can’t find a man for the 2C job him and Arco might be sharing that position.

    Go Bouchard!

  32. eidy says:

    Laxdal new head coach Texas stars

  33. Racki says:

    Ack .. Laxdal got hired by the Texas Stars as head coach. Good for him.. Bit I hope we don’t lose this guy permanently from the organization

  34. uni says:

    If the Oilers are going to try to swing a trade with the Islanders, Neilsen please. He’s exactly what the Oilers need and may not cost as much as Strome.

  35. Numenius says:

    Preds blogger at HockeyBuzz says the Oilers are “looking hard” at Legwand. I would love it if that were true.

    I put Legwand into Capgeek and he really makes things look balanced for this year.

    My only concern is about any kind of term cap-wise. The real problem is with the 2nd year of a deal, not the 3rd. In that 2nd year, Yak and Marincin need new contracts and there are no significant contracts coming off the books [edit: except Fasth's, but his money should be expected to go to re-signing him or to another G]. The cap will likely go up, but likely not enough to fit those guys in. The 3rd year would actually be less problematic than the 2nd because Gordon’s contract comes off the roster and Legwand could take his spot and Draisaitl will likely be ready to handle 2C.

  36. eidy says:

    Anyone think Roy would take 1 year “show me” deal from oilers. Buried on St.Louis last year. Not many 2-3c spots available and very few that would allow to play with the wingers on the oilers.

    Biggest key to deal is keeping Petry in the fold

  37. Lowetide says:

    Racki:
    Honest question here.. Aside from Simpson’s self diagnosis.. Is there proof the weak areas of his game have improved a fair bit?

    Yes. I’ll come back to that, but did speak to a scout from another organization last summer who (unsolicited) brought up Dillon Simpson and his progress. Better skater, improved puck movement, outstanding shot blocker.

  38. Racki says:

    Leafs also offered Legwand a deal. Not sure who else has, but MacT needs to seal that deal. Count me in on team keep Petry (barring a pretty good hockey trade).

    Lowetide: Yes. I’ll come back to that, butdid speak to a scout from another organization last summer who (unsolicited) brought up Dillon Simpson and his progress. Better skater, improved puck movement, outstanding shot blocker.

    That is excellent news

  39. rich says:

    If the Oilers are serious about Legwand, they’ll be getting a guy who is a good defensive center. He’s lost several steps, but is very responsible in his own zone. Typically drew the other team’s best offensive players.

    Detroit hockey bloggers on Kukla’s Korner commented he struggled to keep up with younger skaters.

    The kind of guy you’ll expect to be on the ice late in a game taking a draw/protecting a lead. Seem to remember he was over 50% in the faceoff circle but can’t find the numbers on it. Also, very good at finding empty nets (fans in Nashville nicknamed him Mr. Empty Net).

  40. Woodguy says:

    Arcobello hammering 2pts/gm in the AHL shows he’s too good for that league.

    MacT’s moves all of the sudden have Actual NHL Players in many, many spots on the roster and as a group we are tired of aiming low and want A Real NHL 2 C to play 2C and not an experiment.

    Arco started like a house on fire then cooled off last year.

    FIrst 10 games – 0g 10a 10pts

    Next 31 games – 4g 4a 8pts.

    Will the real Marc Arcobello stand up?

    Oh, you are standing up, sorry.

    IWe all know he went from the penthouse to the outhouse in terms of line mates, so let’s have a look at his Goals For/20 with various line mates (everyone over 30min together)

    ARCOBELLO, MARK 0.694

    PERRON, DAVID 0.632
    EBERLE, JORDAN 1.155
    HEMSKY, ALES 0.929
    YAKUPOV, NAIL 0.581
    SMYTH, RYAN 0.673
    HALL, TAYLOR 0.973
    JONES, RYAN 0.571
    JOENSUU, JESSE 0.317
    GORDON, BOYD 0.371
    GAZDIC, LUKE 0.527

    FERENCE, ANDREW 0.342
    PETRY, JEFF 0.736
    SCHULTZ, JUSTIN 0.939
    BELOV, ANTON 1.233
    SCHULTZ, NICK 0.283 – Great signing Ronnie you fucking mook.
    SMID, LADISLAV 0.641
    LARSEN, PHILIP 0 – Nothing, wow.
    MARINCIN, MARTIN 1.062

    So if he’s away from the Gordon, Joensuu types he’s ok.

    Struggled a bit with Perron and Yak, who are candidates for wingers of the 2/3C

    Played with with the gifted kids…..no surprise.

    As for D, if he’s away from Ference, Nultz and Larsen, he’s good.

    ASIDE: Not making room for Petry due to the presence of Ference is not good player management. Not at tall. Ference is the weakest link on D not and its not close.

    So do we expect .500-.700 GF/20 if he plays with Yak and Perron again? (that number is kinda meh)

    Probably depends on the D. Better D get the puck up ice better which is offence and Yak/Perron are good finishers.

    Its worth a swing I think.

  41. LMHF#1 says:

    So they let Laxdal get away? Damn. There was an easy promotion there you would have thought. At worst Nelson to the big club and Laxdal to OKC. Always concerned they don’t do proper succession planning. There should be other quality coaches out there, but hopefully Claude Julien #2 didn’t just get away.

  42. Dicky94 says:

    HallDown,

    MacT could be waiting till after the development camp to see what they have in Leon before pulling off a trade?

  43. VanOil says:

    As we will be seeing a lot of it in Oilers videos this week. I will add hotel reviews to the mix.

    I had the privilege of spending last week at JPL. Its setting remains as stunning as ever. The staff are what you would expect of a Fairmont hotel. The cabins, always ‘rustic’ are now declining to ‘very dated’. The food has never been great, at least to my big city tastes. The pool is still great.

    I am sure the kids will enjoy it as the natural setting will trump all. But the owner of the property will have to make major investments in renovations or I think Fairmont will have to drop it less they sully there brand.

    As a kid I attended quite a few training camps in Jasper. That altitude can kick you ass. The Captain taking the kids on an overnight climb seems to be a great idea. I am not fond of him as a player but i think he is a wonderful Captain.

  44. Racki says:

    LMHF#1:
    So they let Laxdal get away? Damn. There was an easy promotion there you would have thought. At worst Nelson to the big club and Laxdal to OKC. Always concerned they don’t do proper succession planning. There should be other quality coaches out there, but hopefully Claude Julien #2 didn’t just get away.

    The problem, apparently, is Nelson doesn’t want an assistant role. Firing Eakins to bring up Nelson doesn’t seem right either (although there’s definitely a case to say they could have just hired Nelson instead of Eakins).

  45. Hammers says:

    Has or can anyone do a synopsis on both Arcobello and Santorelli in Vancouver last year . They both seemed to play well in the games given and there about the same . Arco sent down Santorelli injured . It would be a good comparison as it may come down to Santorelli being the only “C” left .Seems there about same size but I’m not sure on that either . I liked both of there games as they both gave 110% every game .

  46. Ducey says:

    LMHF#1: So they let Laxdal get away? Damn. There was an easy promotion there you would have thought. At worst Nelson to the big club and Laxdal to OKC. Always concerned they don’t do proper succession planning. There should be other quality coaches out there, but hopefully Claude Julien #2 didn’t just get away.

    There has been lots of discussion on how Nelson has already been an NHL assistant. Doing that again is a step backwards.

    Laxdal would always take an AHL head coach job (especially for the defending AHL champs) over an assistant job in the NHL.

    Steve Hamilton will likely take over the Oil Kings.

  47. Numenius says:

    LMHF#1:
    So they let Laxdal get away? Damn. There was an easy promotion there you would have thought. At worst Nelson to the big club and Laxdal to OKC. Always concerned they don’t do proper succession planning. There should be other quality coaches out there, but hopefully Claude Julien #2 didn’t just get away.

    Don’t blame the Oil on this one. Nelson does not want an Assistant NHL job. He said this on the record. He only wants a head NHL job (didn’t mention anything about Associate, so he may also be open to that) or he’s staying as head coach in the AHL.

    [Edit: continued beating everyone to everything...] :)

  48. VanOil says:

    John Chambers:
    The Desperation of Garth Snow

    Oilers are running outta money. Shucks. Need to find a C on the cheap in order to keep Petry long-term, and get goosebumps about going into the season with a real top-to-bottom NHL lineup.

    But let’s go raid Wang’s schmuck. He’s on a better footing today, but let’s face it he’s still being sh*t on in Long Island.

    The Islanders are interesting and now have a plethora of centres (Tavares – Neilson – Grabovski – Strome -Bailey), Snow would want a 2015 first so bad he’ll wet himself, and I would think the Oilers’ has some decent value.

    But it has to return an inexpensive contract

    It would hurt next year, but imagine a future of Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan Strome, and Draisaitl as your top 3. Sign Petry. Watch the plants grow.

    How dare you not mention my favorite Center on NYI. It is bad enough Rom has convinced me the even Snow is not stupid enough let Brock Nelson go.

    Other than that I agree completely, sign Petry then plunder the Islanders.

    Genie!!!

  49. Henry says:

    Woodguy,

    Superb analysis of Arcobello. Mirrors what I was remembering from last year. He isn’t going to be that effective as 4RW, but could anchor a 3rd scoring line well. Ideally it will have a couple widebodies like Draisatl and Pou.

  50. jake70 says:

    Take it to the limit..good title……go Genie go…..off the Wimbledon final….kicking ass and taking names.

  51. VanOil says:

    Congratulations to Petry for completing his college degree this week. May he sign a big contract with the Oilers to cap his week.

  52. Pouzar says:

    RANT:

    LT, can you please tell the tech guys at TSN1260 to do whatever 630 CHED is doing regarding streaming audio online? 630 CHED player never craps out where the TSN 1260 player does every other minute.

    The tsn1260 audio player needs to die in a fire!!!!!!!!!!

    /END RANT

  53. Jordan says:

    Pouzar,

    I listen to the tsn1260 player all the freakin time, and have never had a problem with it.

    Also – excited to grade Dennis’ homework next week. =D

  54. One-Timer says:

    Woodguy,

    Ronnie the f’n mook… hilarious.

    So if the pivot well dried right up, would the oil get laughed out of the league playing Arco at 1C and RNH behind him?

    Coaches might get confused about who to send out their top line against…

  55. Eh Team says:

    They will work out a deal for Petry. It won’t be 5 years for $23 million but two separate deals. A one year deal for $3 million (or whatever he would get in arbritation) and then a 4 year deal for $20 million announced during the season. The cap hit- $3m this year and $5m (2015-2018). Then they will pick up another centre, either Legwand or by trade,

  56. Pouzar says:

    Jordan: Pouzar, I listen to the tsn1260 player all the freakin time, and have never had a problem with it.Also – excited to grade Dennis’ homework next week. =D

    630 Ched is flawless for me. I have no idea why TSN 1260 sux for me. Same suckitude at work (IE) or at home (Chrome). ARGH!

  57. Jordan says:

    One-Timer,

    You know… that’s not something that we’ve really talked about yet.

    What if the Oilers are done?

    Hall – RNH – Ebs
    Perron – Arco – Purcell
    Pouliot – Lander – Yak
    Hendricks – Gordon – Pitlick
    Gazdick – XXX

    Nikitin – Petry
    Marincin – Schultz
    Ferrence – Fayne
    Aulie

    Scrivens/Fasth

    That’s an NHL team on Merit, but the centre depth is definitely lacking. I wonder if the experienced wingers will make the centres look better? It also leaves money there for next summer when other players are due for more scratch (Marincin, Yak).

    Interesting, anyways.

  58. Lynas1 says:

    I couldn’t agree more.

    G Money:
    Re: Marcobello handling the rigours of 2C.

    Our brief look at him last year suggested:

    - he may be tiny but plays WAY above his weight.He’s 170ish and plays like he’s 190ish.Contrasted with Gagner who was 200ish and played like he was 180ish.

    - his defensive coverage was also quite a bit better than Gagner’s.

    - his playmaking was deft but his shot was such a muffin that even Smyth was embarassed

    With the addition of two big veteran wingers in Purcell and Pouliot to go with Yak and Perron, it may be an experiment that works.

  59. Woodguy says:

    LMHF#1:
    So they let Laxdal get away? Damn. There was an easy promotion there you would have thought. At worst Nelson to the big club and Laxdal to OKC. Always concerned they don’t do proper succession planning. There should be other quality coaches out there, but hopefully Claude Julien #2 didn’t just get away.

    Nelson wanted to remain a HC in AHL rather than an assistant in NHL.

    Oilers did the right thing and kept him.

    Couldn’t hold Laxdal back.

    I don’t see any blame to throw around.

    More kudos for developing very good coaches.

  60. Lynas1 says:

    Jordan:
    One-Timer,

    You know… that’s not something that we’ve really talked about yet.

    What if the Oilers are done?

    Hall – RNH – Ebs
    Perron – Arco – Purcell
    Pouliot – Lander – Yak
    Hendricks – Gordon – Pitlick
    Gazdick – XXX

    Nikitin – Petry
    Marincin – Schultz
    Ferrence – Fayne
    Aulie

    Scrivens/Fasth

    That’s an NHL team on Merit, but the centre depth is definitely lacking.I wonder if the experienced wingers will make the centres look better?It also leaves by Discount Dragon” style=”background-color: transparent !important; border: none !important; display: inline-block !important; text-indent: 0px !important; float: none !important; font-weight: bold !important; height: auto !important; margin: 0px !important; min-height: 0px !important; min-width: 0px !important; padding: 0px !important; vertical-align: baseline !important; width: auto !important; text-decoration: underline !important; text-transform: uppercase !important; background-position: initial initial !important; background-repeat: initial initial !important;”>money there for next summer when other players are due for more scratch (Marincin, Yak).

    Interesting, anyways.

    I’d bet they’re expecting/counting on guys like Arco (who’s shown real promise) and Lander (needs a bit of a break out year) to come through if that’s their current penciled in opening night roster.

    I’d love to see both Arco and Lander succeed.

  61. uni says:

    Jordan,

    Nikitin and Fayne need to be flipped. I’d swap Purcell and Yak (don’t know how well Lander distributes the puck).

    You know who they should have gotten instead of Legwand though, Grabovski, and his pal Kulemin.

  62. Jordan says:

    In case you missed it on the Lowedown, Russel & LT have officially annointed our new king.

    Leon Draisaitl = Action Saxon

  63. sumaclab says:

    The Flyers are getting cornered. No one is taking Vinny’s contract. No way does any sane Gm take that contract. Even the Preds who have no offense.At all.

    Holmberg is where?

    Arcobello as 2cdline center? No bet he is 4th line RW though. 2cd unit PP guy.

    Oilers will not send LD back this fall.

    Yakimov may be the wild card. If he shows aggression.

  64. Logan91 says:

    Jordan:
    In case you missed it on the Lowedown, Russel & LT have officially annointed our new king.

    Leon Draisaitl = Action Saxon

    I prefer “King Leonidas”, from the movie 300.

  65. Factotum says:

    Woodguy: Nelson wanted to remain a HC in AHL rather than an assistant in NHL.

    Oilers did the right thing and kept him.

    Couldn’t hold Laxdal back.

    I don’t see any blame to throw around.

    More kudos for developing very good coaches.

    This. All day.
    There’s nothiing to complain about here at all. Congratulations to Derek!

  66. denny33 says:

    Woodguy,

    ASIDE: Not making room for Petry due to the presence of Ference is not good player management. Not at tall. Ference is the weakest link on D not and its not close.
    **********************************************************************************
    You are being too diplomatic. The signing of Andrew Ference was a poor, poor decision right from day one- ***a NMC really?***

    The scary part is – I just don’t see any redeeming part of his on-ice game. None.

    It is very hard to lead a group of men when you are in fact the weak link on the team.

    Can’ t wait to see the Andrew Ference of 215-16….

    Mac T has done some nice things recently – (unsure on Nikitin) Getting a return on Sam Gagner was well played.

    But, I think the contract/play of Andrew is going to be something that will have to be dealt with – maybe not this upcoming year – but the following year for sure.

  67. Pouzar says:

    Jordan,

    Missed it. *sigh*

  68. Bag of Pucks says:

    Logan91: I prefer “King Leonidas”, from the movie 300.

    I’m still lobbying for “The H.O.F.F.”

    Hall of Fame Forward with a nod to Germany’s inexplicable fascination with David Hasselfhoff

    RE: Trading Petry.

    The Fayne and Pouliot signings would seem to indicate a newfound appreciation in the org for analytics evaluation in the org’s pro scouting ranks, but one thing that also seems consistent is Oiler management cast a very critical eye on veteran D-men who make glaring game losing mental errors.

    Smid coughs it up in OT. He’s traded the next day.
    Belov loses his check in OT. He’s a press box fringe player soon after
    Petry cost them the PHX game in OT last year, and another which I can’t recall atm.

    Justin Schultz on the other hand does this repeatedly, but seems to escape the ire of mgmt, under the aegis of ‘rookie mistakes’

    Not for one second, am I suggesting this small sample size, knee jerk style of evaluation is the right approach. But I think it’s something you will see with mgmt teams that have championship pedigree. Mental errors at crucial times are not accepted, and orgs where the sole purpose is the building of a championship team will inevitably eat their young when the young reveal weakness indicative of ‘losing’ or ‘preventable mistakes’ Errors at these critical teams are seen as evidence that a player lacks the mettle to be a champion. Essentially, if you commit a Bill Buckner error in front of Lowe or MacT, that becomes a huge red flag to them that you’ll do the same in Game 7 of the Final.

    Rightly or wrongly, I think Petry has raised these red flags with management and the difficulty of the negotiations reflect this. Being seen as ‘outside the core’ is code for: we’re not convinced you’re Cup winner material.

  69. uni says:

    Logan91,

    Only he’s not Greek and shows no similarity except for the beginning of the name. Additionally Leonidas isn’t exactly an endearing historical figure.

  70. G Money says:

    Woodguy: Not at tall.

    Posting on Arcobello.

    Freudian slip or honest mistake or clever double entendre?

  71. Numenius says:

    Logan91: I prefer “King Leonidas”, from the movie 300.

    I like it, but don’t think it has enough to catch on.

    “The Action Saxon” might make it.

  72. hoser313 says:

    denny33:
    Woodguy,

    But, I think the contract/play of Andrew is going to be something that will have to be dealt with – maybe not this upcoming year – but the following year for sure.

    By my eye, seems like he was trying to do too much last year. Too much rushing and pinching. Pressure of wearing the C maybe. He’d look better if he kept his game a bit simpler.

  73. wintoon says:

    I am convinced that if the Oilers are not able to acquire Legwand through Free Agency, they will either:
    (a) Make a hockey trade with a cap tight team to acquire their #2 C, or
    (b) Run with a very thin depth chart at #2C including both Draisaitl and Arcobello in some configuration

    I am seriously hopeful that option (a) comes to fruition if we are not able to sign Legwand. At the same time I am worried that our newly found NHL calibre blue line may be depleted with Petry being offered up in exchange for some band aid solution.

  74. steveb12344 says:

    Bag of Pucks: I’m still lobbying for “The H.O.F.F.”

    Erhoff already has that taken. For more obvious reasons, I might add.

  75. Kris11 says:

    D is more important than C.

    Better to start with Petry and be thin at C than no Petry and a better 2C than Arco.

    If during traning camp and the first 10 games, Klefbom and Marincin look awesome, then maybe a Dman becomes -in some way- expendable for a C.

  76. LMHF#1 says:

    Woodguy: Nelson wanted to remain a HC in AHL rather than an assistant in NHL.

    Oilers did the right thing and kept him.

    Couldn’t hold Laxdal back.

    I don’t see any blame to throw around.

    More kudos for developing very good coaches.

    More lament and weariness than blame.

  77. Dicky94 says:

    I posted this earlier on the wrong blog but I can see Yakipov possibly being the trade bait and not Petry for a 2nd line center. Not really a fan of the idea but if you can pa ckage him with some prospects to get a really good center i think you do it. Yak dont belong on the third line where Teddy will probably play. Give Pitlick or even Chase a shot on the third line. You can’t tell me Garth Snow wouldn’t want Yak. Even the Flyers are hurting for scoring when you look at their roster.

  78. commonfan14 says:

    Numenius: Logan91: I prefer “King Leonidas”, from the movie 300.
    I like it, but don’t think it has enough to catch on.
    “The Action Saxon” might make it.

    With “Dr. Drai” on the table, this reminds we of when ITV News had a story about people debating between “Duce” or “Bear” for the new $2 coin.

    It was always going to be “Toonie,” and people eventually realized it.

    Time to get on the right side of history, people.

  79. Lois Lowe says:

    VanOil,

    The effect of altitude in Jasper is grossly overstated by most people. It sits low in the Athabasca valley and actually has the same elevation as Calgary. Physiologically, I am not even sure that there’s much a difference between Edmonton ~700m and Jasper ~1060m, I think it’s mostly psychological.

    I like the idea of “night climb” for the boys but I fear it’s going to be on Old Fort Point which is more like a “night stroll.”

  80. justDOit says:

    Follow

    David Pagnotta
    ‏@TheFourthPeriod
    David Legwand, Lee Stempniak, Tomas Vokoun, Steve Ott among those expected to make decisions today.

  81. Younger Oil says:

    Huh the Leafs got Kontiola

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=456357

  82. Big Dan says:

    Maybe Todd Nelson knows he’s the next head coach of the Oilers if (when) Eakins is canned. Better off to wait.

    Nice soft landing with Craig Ramsay as your right hand man.

  83. VanOil says:

    Yakupov taking up the #10. He is staying.

  84. Jordan says:

    VanOil,

    Or is he now bound by destiny to be traded…?

  85. VanOil says:

    Lois Lowe,

    Did not realize it was that low. I believe the climb is being billed as an overnight climb which should rule out the stroll up Old Fort Point.

  86. Bag of Pucks says:

    steveb12344: Erhoff already has that taken.For more obvious reasons, I might add.

    Good point

  87. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kris11:
    D is more important than C.

    Better to start with Petry and be thin at C than no Petry and a better 2C than Arco.

    Why?

    Right now, you could make the argument that the Oilers have 2.5 legitimate Cs and 6 legitimate D.

    We’ve added 3D and 0C, while subtracting a supposed C in Gagner.

    Unless MacT’s convinced Dr Drai is ready for primetime, leaving the C depth chart like this is no way to run a team. You’re 1 injury away from disaster.

    I think MacT”s best option is trade a high pick to a Cap strapped team for a 2C and trade Petry for a lower priced D man to free up the cash needed to pay the new C acquisition. I’d much rather that the team place its bets on one of Klefbom, Nurse or Musil winning a job in camp over handing Arco and/or Drai jobs. D is what’s bubbling under in the minors right now. Not C, unless Drai playing this year in the dance is a fait accompli in mgmt’s eyes.

  88. Bag of Pucks says:

    I also wouldn’t be adverse to signing Petry if the team thinks they can get Ribiero on a 1 year value deal.

  89. Loweblow says:

    I understand Dillon Simpson skating is still below NHL standard, so what does he bring, other than his hockey smarts to the Oilers. Has no shot, not an offensive threat, doesn’t play a physical game, not a RHS, so what skill does he have that the Oilers need? He wasn’t going to make the Barons as a LD, but I understand he prefers to play RD. With Fedun, a RHS D not being offered a QO you have to wonder if the Old Boys Club is at work here. Fedun was a borderline prospect to make the NHL, but he had a complete game and was a RHS, why drop him, especially when you’re short of righties other than to make room for your buddies kid.

  90. Logan91 says:

    Loweblow:
    I understand Dillon Simpson skating is still below NHL standard, so what does he bring, other than his hockey smarts to the Oilers. Has no shot, not an offensive threat, doesn’t play a physical game, not a RHS, so what skill does he have that the Oilers need? He wasn’t going to make the Barons as a LD, but I understand he prefers to play RD. With Fedun, a RHS D not being offered a QO you have to wonder if the Old Boys Club is at work here. Fedun was aborderline prospect to make the NHL, but he had a complete game and was a RHS, why drop him, especially when you’re short of righties other than to make room for your buddies kid.

    Where did you get all of that info from? Have you seen the kid play??

  91. Numenius says:

    commonfan14: With “Dr. Drai” on the table, this reminds we of when ITV News had a story about people debating between “Duce” or “Bear” for the new $2 coin.

    It was always going to be “Toonie,” and people eventually realized it.

    Time to get on the right side of history, people.

    Hadn’t heard that one yet.

    I think you’re right. Dr. Drai with the variation of “The Doctor” could be inevitable. I’m good with that. Goes along nicely with “The Professor”.

  92. Bag of Pucks says:

    Btw, for all those pimping for the Oil to roll with Arco/Draisatl as it’s 2C/3C solution this season, perhaps Aleksander Barkov is a good name to mention?

    Like Drai, came out of the draft with a Top 3 pick pedigree to a similarly dreadful team. Didn’t look out of place in the pros, but certainly didn’t dominate either. And that IS the goal. To bring these guys into the show at a time when they’re ready to dominate.

    Not to stumble along while the prospect tries to find his way, accumulating injuries and burning off valuable ELC years in the meantime (Nuge, Yak, etc.).

    Granted 1OVs always play, so it’s not like the Oilers are breaking the mould doing this with Yak and Nuge, but I for one hope it ends with Draisaitl. Really tired of rooks getting thrown to the wolves.

    By all means, give him the 9 game audition, but if he doesn’t light it up during that, send him back to PA.

  93. wheatnoil says:

    Santorelli to the Leafs as per Dreger. They’re out of the Legwand negotiations.

  94. Loweblow says:

    Logan91,

    From scout I met a Oil Kings game, nephew that watched him a couple of times this season, and one other source I will not mention. Yes his skating has improved, but not to the extent to be considered a good prospect. Would place him behind Klefbom, Nurse, Davidson, Musil, and even Hunt ( had a great last half of season with the Barons). If someone tell me what hockey skill he has that the Oilers need, I may change my mind, but I cannot see anything.

  95. Pouzar says:

    wheatnoil: Santorelli to the Leafs as per Dreger. They’re out of the Legwand negotiations.

    Damnnit.

  96. Woodguy says:

    sumaclab:
    TheFlyers are getting cornered. No one is taking Vinny’s contract. No way does any sane Gm take that contract. Even the Preds who have no offense.At all.

    Holmberg is where?

    Arcobello as 2cdline center? No bet he is 4th line RW though. 2cd unit PP guy.

    Oilers will not send LD back this fall.

    Yakimov may be the wild card. If he shows aggression.

    The hub bub is OTT offering to take Lecav at 1/2 salary + another player for picks.

    OTT going for the tank.

  97. Marcus Oilerius says:

    MC79 is crazy positive about Pouliot: http://www.mc79hockey.com/2014/07/oilers-best-free-agency-move-ever/

    Probably the most unexpected article I’ve ever had the pleasure to read.

  98. Woodguy says:

    Pouzar: Damnnit.

    Santorelli’s 5v5 pts/60 last 4 years.

    13/14 1.88
    12/13 0.62
    11/12 0.72
    11/12 1.62

    *YAWN*

    Not much to see here.

    1.88 is ok given where he played, but its not like the Oilers missing out on Perreault.

  99. wintoon says:

    With the Leafs signing Santorelli does that mean the Oilers may have a chance at Legwand?

  100. Deadman Waiting says:

    I liked Bruce’s post on Cult, but he could have added that, for the most part, Tambi did a yeoman’s job of procuring paper mâché bowling pins (pardon my French)—the exception being Éric Bélanger.

    It was the right thing for Tambi to do while our young cluster matured. It doesn’t excuse him for failing to catch any useful nines and tens, but we shouldn’t fail to credit Tambi for the useful upside to dithering early in the day.

  101. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy: Santorelli’s 5v5 pts/60 last 4 years.13/14 1.8812/13 0.6211/12 0.7211/12 1.62*YAWN*Not much to see here.1.88 is ok given where he played, but its not like the Oilers missing out on Perreault.

    Santorelli scored 41 pts one year if I am not mistaken and did well playing the toughs last year before he got hurt. You were not getting Perrault on a 1 or 2 year contract and he doesn’t fill our need to play 2nd line Comp Center imo. As I stated before I think we have someone to play 3rd Comp already in Arco. I know you stated that it’s a good gamble that Perrault could play 2nd Comp but I don’t want that gamble coupled with a 3 year deal.

  102. Hammers says:

    Didn’t we try to get Konopka last year ? Goc also available and both in our budget after signing Petry/Schultz . He is still available that pushes Gordon to the 3rd .Smart move by Leafs to grab Santorelli . Konopka also kills penalties and we need help on our PK . Would leave Hendricks with Konopka & either Pitlick or Gazdic or Lander. 1st line as always ; 2nd becomes Arco , Pouliot , & Perron ; 3rd Gordon , Yak , Purcell . More balance in my opinion .

  103. wheatnoil says:

    wintoon:
    With the Leafs signing Santorelli does that mean the Oilers may have a chance at Legwand?

    The Oilers are reportedly interested. It’s up to Legwand now. He reportedly has other offers too. One less with the Leafs out.

  104. Pouzar says:

    I am guessing Legwand to Buffalo

  105. justDOit says:

    wintoon:
    With the Leafs signing Santorelli does that mean the Oilers may have a chance at Legwand?

    If he likes big malls – and he can not lie…

    Seriously though, I hope that MacT’s offer is still in the running, and Legwand has to like the changes he’s seen recently. But with any older player, his priority will be a Cup contender. Like someone else suggested, sign a 1 yr contract with the Oilers, and have an agreement for a deadline trade to the contender of his choice. That might be the only way a contending team takes on his cap hit.

  106. vinotintazo says:

    looking at the Oilers roster on the site, and only see 3 players under 6 feet, Ebs, Yaks, and Ference.

    I like it, we are big now!

  107. Lois Lowe says:

    Hammers,

    Goc signed two days ago with Pittsburgh and Konopka is terrible.

  108. Pouzar says:

    Then again…what do I know?

    “There isn’t a huge difference in terms of quality of competition between second and third line”

    –MC79

  109. godot10 says:

    Woodguy: The hub bub is OTT offering to take Lecav at 1/2 salary + another player for picks.

    OTT going for the tank.

    Ottawa is a pretty good young team.

    Michalek, Turris, Ryan
    MacArthur, Zibenejad, Chiasson
    Greening, Smith, Neal
    Condra, Stone, Lazar, Pageau

    They need a veteran centre to stabilize things.

    Their preferred option undoubtedly would be to Stan Bowman convincing Patrick Sharp to waive his no move no trade to go to Ottawa for Lazar plus.

  110. godot10 says:

    Pouzar:
    I am guessing Legwand to Buffalo

    I think Buffalo would prefer Ott back.

  111. Ducey says:

    You have to figure that both “Lean on” and Arco are going to put up at least 30 points each.

    This should be the line in the sand for any UFA. You have Ribeiro, Legwand and maybe Ott that can do this. Not sure if any of the others can (I guess Roy but I don’t like him).

    Steve Ott is a little interesting. He only put up 23 points last year, but that was with guys like Omark on an offensively inept team. He only had 3 with St Louis and 2 in the playoffs. He had 24 in 48 in the lockout year and has had as many as 46.

    He would reduce the need for a face puncher as well. The locals would love him.

    I am not sure if he has anything left (he is only 31 but those were a hard 31) or what the fancy stats say.

    I am sure someone will tell me.

  112. Ducey says:

    Woodguy: The hub bub is OTT offering to take Lecav at 1/2 salary + another player for picks.OTT going for the tank.

    Why would Vinny waive his NTC to go to OTT when he apparently wouldn’t waive it to go to NASH?

  113. Bag of Pucks says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    MC79 is crazy positive about Pouliot: http://www.mc79hockey.com/2014/07/oilers-best-free-agency-move-ever/

    Probably the most unexpected article I’ve ever had the pleasure to read.

    It’s interesting to read that article in conjunction with MacT’s public comments on the players he acquired in FA.

    Seems like Pouliot is regarded as a EV corsi stud. Interestingly, the phrase MacT used consistently in his press conference is ‘puck pursuit’

    A lot of historic possession analysis seems to be focused on zone exits and entries, and specifically, maintaining possession (almost as one would view power play possession). Realistically, a massive component of possession however is how quickly you get it back after you’ve lost it. One could certainly make an argument that % of possession time per shift per player would be a pretty handy stat.

    I would suspect MacT believes he’s pretty well stocked with the ‘carry it in guys’ but he’s decidedly short on the ‘fight to get it back’ and/or ‘cycle it in the corners’ guys. I wonder if tenacious puck pursuit isn’t Pouliot’s greatest trait? It would certainly help to explain why all his line mates benefit from his play, whilst he himself doesn’t dominate the boxcars. Sounds like the perfect linemate for Yak.

  114. G Money says:

    Pouzar:
    Then again…what do I know?

    “There isn’t a huge difference in terms of quality of competition between second and third line”

    –MC79

    You disbelieve?

  115. Bag of Pucks says:

    Ducey:
    You have to figure that both “Lean on” and Arco are going to put up at least 30 points each.

    This should be the line in the sand for any UFA. You have Ribeiro, Legwand and maybe Ott that can do this.Not sure if any of the others can (I guess Roy but I don’t like him).

    Steve Ott is a little interesting.He only put up 23 points last year, but that was with guys like Omark on an offensively inept team.He only had 3 with St Louis and 2 in the playoffs.He had 24 in 48 in the lockout year and has had as many as 46.

    He would reduce the need for a face puncher as well.The locals would love him.

    I am not sure if he has anything left (he is only 31 but those were a hard 31) or what the fancy stats say.

    I am sure someone will tell me.

    Like the suggestion.

    Would think a 3L of Ott/Pouliot/Purcell could take on a pretty tough line matchup, freeing up a 2L of Arco/Yak/Perron for some butter soft mins.

    As a fan, I would enjoy the welcome injection of ‘sandpaper’ too. Ott’s entertaining as hell to watch.

  116. Snowman says:

    In terms of a Petry trade for a center. If you look at this from a managerial accounting perspective, you have to decide which will bring you the most variable benefit. Basically are you better off with Petry/Arco or Klefbom/whatever center you get for Petry.

    That’s a pretty tough call. I like Petry plenty. I also think pretty highly of Klefbom. I think Arcobello with big legitimate NHL wingers is not a bad thing to try. I’m pretty sure Arco will put up 40-50 with good players around him. Whether or not he can handle 2C minutes for 82 games and succeed is hard to say. Tough to bet against him though, especially after he dominated the way he did in OKC.

    Personally if its a call between Petry and Jultz I’m keeping Petry. I think Jultz fetches you more and I think you gain from losing his chaos.

    So if it was me, I’m trading Jultz for whatever center and replacing him with Klefbom if need be or Aulie. I think Petry will prove to be more valuable when bringing in guys like Nurse and Simpson in the long run than Jultz..

  117. uni says:

    Ducey: Why would Vinny waive his NTC to go to OTT when he apparently wouldn’t waive it to go to NASH?

    Cause you see Lecavalier has always been a hard rocker, and Nashville is a little bit country….

    Marcus Oilerius: MARCUS OILERIUS

    Beware of Cannuckodus.

    Bag of Pucks: Would think a 3L of Ott/Pouliot/Purcell could take on a pretty tough line matchup, freeing up a 2L of Arco/Yak/Perron for some butter soft mins.

    I don’t think Purcell, or even Ott for that matter have a proven track record of taking on the toughs.

  118. Younger Oil says:

    If Petry is traded, then Schultz becomes our longest serving Oiler defender.

  119. Truth says:

    Can’t see Legwand coming to Edmonton unless the Oilers screw up and give him too much term. An overpay on price for a lower term might not make him bite. Oilers want him around for a couple of years until Draisaitl rounds into form and you’d think Legwand wants to be locked up for a long period. He’s 33 already, at the end of a 2 year contract he probably takes a major discount on the next contract. The anti-bridge contract.

  120. Ducey says:

    Bag of Pucks: Like the suggestion. Would think a 3L of Ott/Pouliot/Purcell could take on a pretty tough line matchup, freeing up a 2L of Arco/Yak/Perron for some butter soft mins.As a fan, I would enjoy the welcome injection of ‘sandpaper’ too. Ott’s entertaining as hell to watch.

    In looking at Extraskater it looks like he can win a faceoff (59% with STL and 55% in previous years)

    His CF with BUF was a terrible 42.8 with a Rel Corsi of -1.8. He started 28% of his shifts in the offensive zone.

    With STL his CF jumped to 50% (2 years ago it was 52% with Dallas) but with -5.9 Rel Corsi. He got more of an offensive push 31.4% in the offensive zone.

    Don’t really know what to make him, to be honest. Doesn’t look at that great, but the issue is how he would compare to Arco or Lean on.

    I think I would sign him for a year and send Lean on down, personally.

  121. wheatnoil says:

    If only Lander could bring his new-found offense with him to the NHL. Would solve a lot of problems.

  122. Pouzar says:

    G Money: You disbelieve?

    I do believe. It’s why I defer to the experts and understand WG’s stance RE: Perrault and the 2nd comp bet.

  123. DBO says:

    Dammit. Santorelli signed 1 year for $1.5 million. that is not much for a 34-40 pt two way centre. Would have fit nicely as a 2/3 C for us. Not a lot of option sleft UFA wise. Looking more and more like trade. All this Petry talk is painful. And Petry seems the most likely to fetch a solid return. One step forward, two back……

  124. Woodguy says:

    vinotintazo:
    looking at the Oilers roster on the site, and only see 3 players under 6 feet, Ebs, Yaks, and Ference.

    I like it, we are big now!

    Oilers are too big.

    Its not the right mix.

    Need to get smaller.

  125. doritogrande says:

    Personally if its a call between Petry and Jultz I’m keeping Petry. I think Jultz fetches you more and I think you gain from losing his chaos.

    Petry does a lot of things, and does them well, but what Schultz does for this team is unique, and it’s at an elite level. Take away Schultz and who runs the PP? Based on the setup of the current D, there is no pure passer. The closest you come is Petry/Marincin, and they’re better cast as the hammer, rather than the set-up guy.

    Make no mistake, I prefer Petry because of his all-around game, and would prefer they keep both.. But in Marincin, Fayne, Ference and Nikitin, you make up and can cover for his skill set. Nobody on the roster, or perhaps even in the prospect pipeline, duplicates Schultz.

    The beauty of the current blue make-up is now we can cover for his defensive lapses, and limit his ice-time if he goes walkabout too often. 3rd pair ES rotation and a whole load of PP time, and you’ll see an improvement.

  126. Bag of Pucks says:

    uni:
    I don’t think Purcell, or even Ott for that matter have a proven track record of taking on the toughs.

    In this case, I think the word ‘toughs’ may be somewhat relative.

    If MacT follows the CHI model, then presumably Gordon’s line plays the toughs and/or gets the bulk of the D zone starts. Nuge’s line gets the next toughest matchup and Ott/Purcell and company the toughest matchup after that? Essentially you’re leaving Arco/Yak and company to play the dregs and/or giving them the favourable O zone start?

    Surely Ott & Purcell could thrive in that role?

  127. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy,

    Can’t wait for the “We are big but play small” narrative in the 1st period of game 1 in 2014/15

  128. Woodguy says:

    godot10: Ottawa is a pretty good young team.

    Michalek, Turris, Ryan
    MacArthur, Zibenejad, Chiasson
    Greening, Smith, Neal
    Condra, Stone, Lazar, Pageau

    They need a veteran centre to stabilize things.

    Their preferred option undoubtedly would be to Stan Bowman convincing Patrick Sharp to waive his no move no trade to go to Ottawa for Lazar plus.

    There’s a lot of meh in the bottom 6 there.

  129. su_dhillon says:

    I almost never listen to Gregors show so not sure how common this is but him and Rishaug are averaging about 4 dumb things said per minute here in discussing Petry.

  130. Woodguy says:

    Ducey: Why would Vinny waive his NTC to go to OTT when he apparently wouldn’t waive it to go to NASH?

    Wasn’t it Spezza who wouldn’t waive to go to NSH?

    Didn’t hear any Vinny to NSH rumours.

  131. Woodguy says:

    Pouzar:
    Woodguy,

    Can’t wait for the “We are big but play small” narrative in the 1st period of game 1 in 2014/15

    This

  132. Bag of Pucks says:

    doritogrande:
    Personally if its a call between Petry and Jultz I’m keeping Petry. I think Jultz fetches you more and I think you gain from losing his chaos.

    Petry does a lot of things, and does them well, but what Schultz does for this team is unique, and it’s at an elite level. Take away Schultz and who runs the PP? Based on the setup of the current D, there is no pure passer. The closest you come is Petry/Marincin, and they’re better cast as the hammer, rather than the set-up guy.

    I agree with the post, but to be the devil’s advocate for a moment, you can have forwards play the point and be the setup man, and both Nikitin and Klefbom supposedly have good heavy shots, though neither is proven as a pp setup man obviously.

    At some point keeping Schultz is going to have to be contingent on his capable two way play, and not just, he’s the only option you have. The latter approach is how you end up with Cam Barker in your lineup.

  133. vinotintazo says:

    Woodguy: Oilers are too big.

    Its not the right mix.

    Need to get smaller.

    wait wuuuut?!

  134. Woodguy says:

    Just had a quick look at Legwand.

    Brings about the same 5v5 pts/60 as Berglund with worse linemates and about the same RelCor.

    And he doesn’t cost a 1st.

  135. Woodguy says:

    Bag of Pucks: Like the suggestion.

    Would think a 3L of Ott/Pouliot/Purcell could take on a pretty tough line matchup, freeing up a 2L of Arco/Yak/Perron for some butter soft mins.

    As a fan, I would enjoy the welcome injection of ‘sandpaper’ too. Ott’s entertaining as hell to watch.

    I think Ott is an old slow douchbag

    -5.9 RelCor is pretty putrid.

  136. vinotintazo says:

    Woodguy:
    Just had a quick look at Legwand.

    Brings about the same 5v5 pts/60 as Berglund with worse linemates and about the same RelCor.

    And he doesn’t cost a 1st.

    this!

  137. doritogrande says:

    At some point keeping Schultz is going to have to be contingent on his capable two way play, and not just, he’s the only option you have. The latter approach is how you end up with Cam Barker in your lineup.

    Marc-Andre Bergeron had a pretty good run here without being capable of playing two-way (Pronger certainly helped though)

    Look at Ryan Ellis in Nashville, Ryan Murphy in Carolina, Kevin Shattenkirk in StL, and for a non-comtemporary example of what he can become, Mike Green in Washington.

    Elite offensive D-men with coverage holes in their game have a place, and they get paid more than they’re worth based solely on boxcars. If you’re on a team that can cover their warts (Ellis, Shattenkirk) like the Oilers could now conceivably do, Schultz should flourish (and get paid way too much). If you’re on a team that has to play your stud offensive D too high in the lineup (Murphy, Green) like the Oilers used to be forced into, Schultz comes out like a dog’s breakfast.

  138. Woodguy says:

    vinotintazo:
    looking at the Oilers roster on the site, and only see 3 players under 6 feet, Ebs, Yaks, and Ference.

    I like it, we are big now!

    Arco not there?

    He’s 5’8″

  139. RexLibris says:

    OT, but someone needs to bring this to Bruce McCurdy’s attention.

    Subway map of our solar system.

    http://i.imgur.com/AAGJvD1.png

  140. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: Arco not there?

    He’s 5’8″

    He was standing behind Eberle on the stats sheet.

    BTW, agree with the Legwand/Berglund comparison.

    The trick will be term with Legwand.

    Can’t sign him too long or he becomes an albatross contract. And the dollars have to be right otherwise you risk negotiations on Petry and Schultz.

    I think they are letting Legwand sweat it out, holding to their price, which I completely respect. The roster this year isn’t going to fail at winning the Stanley Cup without him, so stick to your budget and let the chips fall where they may.

  141. su_dhillon says:

    Woodguy,

    WG what’s the term that makes sense at age 33? 2 years ideal, you could probably live with the 3rd but if he wants more thats trouble.
    3×4? would that do it?

  142. "Steve Smith" says:

    Random spelling lesson, not directed at anybody in particular:*

    Nail YAKUPOV, with a U.
    Justin SCHULTZ, with a C.

    I get, and probably even grudgingly agree with, the proposition that spelling really doesn’t matter much except to the extent that it impedes understanding, but I think that when we’re talking about players names, we should probably make the effort to spell them correctly if we’re going to ask people to take anything we have to say about them seriously.

    *Okay, the Schultz one is probably directed at Woodguy. How do you like my posting frequency now, Woodguy?

  143. Bruce McCurdy says:

    RexLibris,

    RexLibris:
    OT, but someone needs to bring this to Bruce McCurdy’s attention.

    Subway map of our solar system.

    http://i.imgur.com/AAGJvD1.png

    Haha, thanks. Hadn’t seen that one before.

  144. vinotintazo says:

    Woodguy,

    Hes not there, but we all know he should make the team, as of today anyways.

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

  145. G Money says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    Nail Yakipov with a ‘u’? You mean Naul Yakipov?

    Justin Shultz with a ‘c’? You mean Jusctin Shultz?

    Are you sure about this?

  146. RexLibris says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    RexLibris,

    Haha, thanks. Hadn’t seen that one before.

    So that would mean that Pluto is to our Solar System what the St. Albert Transit is to ETS?

  147. Snowman says:

    doritogrande,

    I think Marincin will duplicate some of Jultz’s skills in time. He has some offensive flair. You could see it coming out in bursts at the end of the year and he’s a much better defender.

    I appreciate the skills that Dmen like Schultz bring but I guess I don’t hold them in the same regard especially with the Oilers. If you can get guys like Fayne and Klefbom and Marincin to make the simple play to get the puck out to your forwards effectively you don’t need the freewheeling Dman who bleeds chances against. I haven’t ever really looked at Schultz’s advanced stats but I’m guessing they’re not good. He brings some good offense but he plays defense like a Gagner by my eye (all due respect to Samwise).

  148. "Steve Smith" says:

    G Money,

    Absolutely posgitive.

  149. Bag of Pucks says:

    Woodguy: I think Ott is an old slow douchbag

    np, apparently he doesn’t like you much either.

  150. doritogrande says:

    Snowman,

    My stance on Schultz isn’t based really on his ES play. Frankly I’d be fine with him playing 12 minutes a night at ES, so his liabilities can be limited based on a lack of sorties.

    The point I’m trying to get across is his PP strengths. You mention guys like Fayne et al making the simple plays to get the puck up to the forwards. I’m talking about him being a point guard. His half-court game essentially, where the need to get the puck to the forwards is irrelevant and his freewheeling is actually encouraged because it is less likely to result in scoring chances against.

    Not a criticism of your response or your opinions. I just wanted to re-iterate mine.

  151. Lowetide says:

    Is this ‘smoke a spliff’ Thursday?

  152. Bag of Pucks says:

    DoritoG, by ‘capable’ I mean Schultz has to stop coughing up grenades under duress if he’s going to be a longterm fit.

    For what it’s worth, I think the kid will settle down and settle in over time, but much like Coffey, the growing pains are…well, painful.

  153. frjohnk says:

    On Gregor’s show it was mentioned that jarmo said that Columbus would match any offer sheet for Johannson except from the oilers.
    Zing!

  154. spoiler says:

    Can we remember that Schultz battled a bad groin till he got a chance to rest it during the Olympic break? He was a better skater when he returned and less of a lollygagger. I’d like to see what he will look like this season without the bad groin before I go firing him off to another team.

  155. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lowetide:
    Is this ‘smoke a spliff’ Thursday?

    Yep, and here’s the legend for the rest of the week.

    Freaky Friday
    Sativa Saturday
    Tranquilizer Sunday (i.e. day of rest)
    Blue Monday
    TwoFour Tuesday
    White Dragon Wednesday

  156. "Steve Smith" says:

    Lowetide,

    Wait, it’s Thursday?

    SHIT!

  157. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    DoritoG, by ‘capable’ I mean Schultz has to stop coughing up grenades under duress if he’s going to be a longterm fit.

    For what it’s worth, I think the kid will settle down and settle in over time, but much like Coffey, the growing pains are…well, painful.

    We all seem to collectively agree that Todd Nelson is excellent. Let’s try to remember that, during a lockout when the AHL was full of young NHL talent, including Hall, Ebs, and the Nuge, he said Schultz was the best player in the AHL, which was extremely high praise given the competition. That was based to a certain extent on his offense, but there is no question he viewed him as a top notch defender at that time as well, or at the very least an adequate one with upside. He likewise showed this in his first 20 games of year 1, after which we all collectively agreed he started to look flat out exhausted, due to the massive increase in workload and games played from previous years.

    The point: let’s not give up on Mr. Schultz as a competent Dman yet. The kid still has first pairing upside; he’s a ways away from that, but there have been flashes. I think back to one of his first NHL games, where I saw him backcheck to catch up to someone, and excecute a beautiful sticklift from behind and steal the puck away… it was sooooo smooth. Lets hope that’s the player we’re getting long term.

  158. Ducey says:

    Woodguy: Wasn’t it Spezza who wouldn’t waive to go to NSH?Didn’t hear any Vinny to NSH rumours.

    Both. NASH and PHI were trying to work out a trade before the deadline.

    http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/700-level/flyers-should-take-whatever-they-can-get-vinny-lecavalier

    The story doesn’t mention the NTC but I have seen it referenced elsewhere – although it might have just been the Hockeybuzz site.

  159. Snowman says:

    doritogrande,

    I agree Schultz has tremendous value in PP situations with his ability to run the half court as you say but I really do think Marincin will duplicate those skills in a few years. I don’t think you’re wrong in any way. I actually would like to keep Schultz because he is a unique talent who is at the start of his career. Its more of a case of if I had to choose, I’d choose Petry, not a please get rid of Schultz.

  160. Bag of Pucks says:

    I think we’re all in agreement that Schultz shows enough potential that you have to stay patient through this bumpy development path.

    What I don’t understand is why Eakins’ doesn’t limit his mins when he’s making egregious errors, especially if they’re indications of mental or physical exhaustion?

    Seems all ‘carrot’ with young Justin and no stick. Will be interesting to see how Ramsay approaches that.

  161. belcolt91 says:

    Re: Petry vs Schultz

    I think it comes down to who will be the better defender this season. I think there’s no argument that Petry will likely be that this season. There’s a pressure to compete immediately, and I think we’re better off with Petry’s reliable tough minutes rather than trying protect Schultz’s defensive lapses.

    Schultz is improving, sure, but RIGHT NOW I’d rather have Petry.

  162. hoser313 says:

    All this time spent dancing around to find a free agent centre or manufacturing a Jeff Petry trade (could someone tell me for what exactly we think we can realistically get in return that is better than Jeff Petry) would be better spent in July and August:

    1. hooking Lander up with a quality power-skating instructor to hopefully get that extra half-step; and
    2. getting Arcobello specific help to work on his shot accuracy.

  163. book¡je says:

    hoser313:
    All this time spent dancing around to find a free agent centre or manufacturing a Jeff Petry trade (could someone tell me for what exactly we think we can realistically get in return that is better than Jeff Petry) would be better spent in July and August:

    1. hooking Lander up with a quality power-skating instructor to hopefully get that extra half-step; and
    2. getting Arcobello specific help to work on his shot accuracy.

    While they are at it, they should teach Taylor Hall to hold his stick properly

  164. whale says:

    If Petry goes to arbitration and gets one year. Let’s say he has a really good year and we still can’t sign him, what can we expect at the trade deadline? A first and a high end prospect?

  165. Frank the dog says:

    Pouzar:
    Woodguy,

    Can’t wait for the “We are big but play small” narrative in the 1st period of game 1 in 2014/15

    or “We are tall but play light”

  166. Frank the dog says:

    vinotintazo:
    looking at the Oilers roster on the site, and only see 3 players under 6 feet, Ebs, Yaks, and Ference.

    I like it, we are big now!

    Not big, tall. Most are under 200 lbs :)

  167. Numenius says:

    In light of Batty’s article (http://www.coppernblue.com/2014/7/3/5868237/edmonton-oilers-centre-salary-cap) about how much cap space is left, I think McT might stand pat and go with Arco and Dr. Drai as 2C/3C.

    Main reason: They want to give LD the chance to make the team and if he does, there won’t enough cap left, whether this year or next year, for signing another C of sufficient quality. Technically there would be enough cap for this year, but with the possibility of LD, Yak, and Marincin hitting their bonuses, McT would be risking going over the cap, which, though allowable, would have to be made up for next year and would cause all kinds of trouble.

    The only other reasonable possibility I see [edit: there is an unreasonable one: trade Petry for a 2C] is to plan now with leaving LD down and paying Legwand (or someone comparable) handsomely for a year, but I don’t think McT does that. He wants to give LD a chance to make it.

    I do too.

  168. Frank the dog says:

    spoiler:
    Can we remember that Schultz battled a bad groin till he got a chance to rest it during the Olympic break?He was a better skater when he returned and less of a lollygagger.I’d like to see what he will look like this season without the bad groin before I go firing him off to another team.

    Craig Ramsay may also have a positive impact on his game.

  169. Numenius says:

    Frank the dog: Not big, tall. Most are under 200 lbs

    Didn’t have to wait long.

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