RE 14-15 JEFF PETRY: SEE YOU SOMETIME

Jeff Petry is Edmonton’s best defenseman, has been for some time now. Curiously, that fact seems to have gone unnoticed by the fanbase, and the organization. It’s a rare double double in Oilers nation—and it’s the worst damn thing imaginable. A team short on defensemen they can trust in any situation is about to flush the guy they can trust in all situations. And so it goes in the town that can’t stop losing.

JEFF PETRY 10-11

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.21 (8th among Oil D)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 1.67 (5th among Oil D)
  • Qual Comp: 5th toughest among D
  • Qual Team: 7th best available among D
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 50.2
  • Corsi for 5×5 % REL: +1.4
  • Corsi Rel: 2.0 (tied for 4th best among D)
  • Zone Start: 49.1% (3rd toughest among D)
  • Zone Finish: 50.5% (5th best among D)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 41 shots/1 goal 2.4% (7th among Oil D)
  • Boxcars: 35gp, 1-4-5

JEFF PETRY 11-12

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.91 (1st among Oil D)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 3.25 (3rd among Oil D)
  • Qual Comp: 2nd toughest among D
  • Qual Team: best available among D
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 49.2
  • Corsi for 5×5 % REL: +1.4
  • Corsi Rel: 2.0 (tied for 4th best among D)
  • Zone Start: 49.1% (5th toughest among D)
  • Zone Finish: 51.3% (2nd best among D)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 111 shots/1.8% (6th among Oil D)
  • Boxcars: 73gp, 2-23-25

JEF PETRY 12-13

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.72 (4th among regular Oil D)
  • 5×4 points per 60: nil
  • Qual Comp: toughest among regular D
  • Qual Team: 6th best available among regular D
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 44.2
  • Corsi for 5×5 % REL: -0.6
  • Corsi Rel: -1.7 (5th best among regular D) (-12.49 Corsi ON)
  • Zone Start: 48.9% (easiest among regular D)
  • Zone Finish: 50.8% (2nd best among D)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 66 shots/4.55% (4th among Oil D>30 shots)
  • Boxcars: 48gp, 3-9-12

JEFF PETRY 13-14

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.54 (3rd among regular D)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 1.82 (4th among regular D)
  • Qual Comp: toughest among regular D
  • Qual Team: 3rd best available among regular D
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 46.7
  • Corsi for 5×5 % REL: +3.7
  • Zone Start: 42.7% (toughest among regular D)
  • Zone Finish: 44.4% (6th best among D)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 96 shots/7.3% (2nd among Oil D>50 shots)
  • Boxcars: 80gp, 7-10-17

RE 13-14 REVIEW

PPG NAME GP G A PTS
.267 JEFF PETRY RE 13-14 75 3 17 20
.213 JEFF PETRY ACTUAL 13-14 80 7 10 17

RE 14-15 PREVIEW

PPG NAME GP G A PTS
.255 JEFF PETRY RE 14-15 55 4 10 14
 

VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER (REL)

vollman sledge blue 13-14

  1. What do these numbers tell us? Jeff Petry had a good year. In the middle of a terrible season by a dreadful, abysmal team, Jeff Petry had a good season. It’s one of the truly incredible things in recent Oilers history.
  2. He was awful. I read twitter. Toughest opposition, worst zone start, and his shot differential is in the blue zone rel. DAN Petry never looked this good.
  3. I see he’s playing 55 games. Trading him? Yes, I think he’s gone at the deadline.
  4. THAT’S reasonable??!?! The one-year contract suggests the Oilers aren’t convinced or Petry wants to go. Either way, it’s pretty much done in my opinion.
  5. How so? Let’s say Petry plays extremely well. What would that look like? A  lot like last season, which did not convince Oilers management. It’s a blind spot, a tic, a tell. Edmonton fans and management don’t like college defensemen, why the hell they draft them and trade for them is beyond me.
  6. You’re being silly. I think that’s the correct read on this hand that’s been dealt. Petry plays well, he’s asking for $5.5 million, and the Oilers aren’t interested at that number.
  7. Maybe they are with the new cap? The point is moot. He’s worth a long-term deal now, MacT didn’t believe in him. Fin.
  8. The point is moot? Yeah.
  9. You have to admit, he had some ghastly moments. Sure. You can expect that from young defensemen playing above their established level of ability. What I object to is blaming the player for management’s established stupidity. Get good players, keep good players.
  10. Who do you blame? Craig MacTavish is the GM, buck stops there. Shameful contract, no defending it.
  11. Oilers seem to do that a lot. ALWAYS!!! The Oilers haven’t had a balanced defense since 2006!!! As soon as Gilbert resembled an NHL defenseman they couldn’t wait to cash him in for Nick Schultz—who closely matches the traditional Oilers version of an effective veteran. The problem is that the position has changed, and mobile, quick thinking defenders who can win battles but may not knock people’s heads off are the preferred skill set.
  12. Back to Petry. He had some horrible moments. Sure did, no doubt. Bruce McCurdy had this to say one night in his player grades over at CofH: 2 Jeff Petry, 2. The stats page shows Petry was on the ice for 26 shot attempts by the Oilers, just 9 by the Coyotes. Sounds pretty good! Unfortunately 2 of those 9 shot attempts against were goals, both the direct result of defensive blunders by Petry. On one he failed to cover the passing lane, allowing a ridiculously easy pass through the slot for a free shot from the low slot by sniper Radim Vrbata, with predictable results. On the other, ‘Yotes defender Keith Yandle put a deke on Petry that made him look like his skates were tied together. Took a penalty after losing a battle on the boards. Had some OK moments, but on the whole it was a disastrous game.
  13. So, there’s a problem. Yes. The Oilers have two problems defensively. First, Petry is just finishing his third full year in the league and is playing above his level.That’s a monster issue, it just is. The results Petry managed this year are genuinely good compared to his teammates, but imagine how good they could be if he was facing second pairing opps?
  14. What’s the other problem? Oilers have too many defensive sorties per shift. It’s jailbreak after jailbreak after jailbreak. The entire game for the Oilers is one giant broken play. One defenseman can’t stop that kind of force every night. It just isn’t possible.
  15. So, maybe he’s not good enough. Jeff Petry is an NHL defenseman. Full stop. If we had an expansion draft tomorrow, and had to choose between him and Justin Schultz, I protect Petry ten times out of ten.
  16. How old was Tom Gilbert when they traded him? 28.
  17. Poti? 24.
  18. Wow. Yeah. Oilers train a lot of useful defensemen and then trade them. It’s a thing.
  19. Poti and Gilbert weren’t useful! And bam! This is why we can’t have nice things.
  20. Why this song? I could have chosen 100 Joni Mitchell songs for Petry, but decided this one worked because of the title and conflicting emotions. It’s over, but it isn’t over. That’s the Oilers and Jeff Petry. Can they get a contract done? How often does that happen in this situation? We’re not talking about Mark Arcobello here, with due respect. Jeff Petry will have a long line of bidders next summer. How can the Oilers see past that? All of the other NHL teams were signing their defensemen this summer long term, but the Oilers—once again the smartest men in the room—can’t see their way clear to sign their best defenseman. We’re in for more rain.

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114 Responses to "RE 14-15 JEFF PETRY: SEE YOU SOMETIME"

  1. book¡je says:

    Wouldn’t you think Petry would be one of Dellow’s first comments to Eakins?

  2. haters says:

    If you play at above avg possession for 82 games of the year but make one mistake that costs your team the game 64% of the time how many wins does that equate to ?

    Answer: 28th place.

    I really miss Prongs

  3. wheatnoil says:

    I get this feeling that it’s going to be either Petry or Schultz in the Oilers long-term plans, and Scultz is in the lead. The Oilers have already committed 4 years to Fayne and neither Petry nor Schultz are going to come all that cheap. So I don’t think MacT wants to commit that much long-term money to his 3 right-handed D. I also feel like MacT wants to leave room for some of his younger D coming up (Marincin, Klefbom, Nurse)… which is altogether so very ‘Oilers’.

    I wish they have given Petry 4 years. Then they could bridge Schultz for 2 and decide on whether to give Schultz his long-term or not at that point with only a couple years left in Fayne and Petry.

    I will say, that Fayne contract is going to look pretty damn good in a year or two. Who knew you could get a bargain on a UFA D?

  4. John Chambers says:

    book¡je,

    But is Petry worth UFA money? Perhaps the organization is willing to pony up $4.5M for an emerging second-pair defenseman, but doesn’t want to surrender the cap hit and term (maybe Petry’s asking for $35M over 7?)

    It’ll be interesting to see what Petry can fetch, and hopefully it’s another right-handed defenseman who can play on the top two pairings.

  5. su_dhillon says:

    Tyler has been making the case for Petry for a long damn time hopefully he can add another voice in that room that tries to keep him here. That being said Im not sure how they do it with the 1 year contract he signed setting him up for UFA. I think it was the worst move of the summer.

    Also to add to point 13, imagine him playing 2nd pairing minutes with league average goaltending? There’s no question the terrible start in net impacted the seasons of a lot of players, a lot guys make mistakes in their own end especially young D but they dont always end up in the net. Here they did.

  6. thejonrmcleod says:

    I foresee a new narrative on the Oilogosphere: “What is Dellow thinking/saying/doing about this?”

  7. Jesse says:

    book¡je:
    Wouldn’t you think Petry would be one of Dellow’s first comments to Eakins?

    I keep finding myself very tempted to believe that Dellow will solve all of the things I’m worried about. Sign Petry long term. Trade Schultz while his value is highest (now) for a legit 2C. Convince Canada Student Loans to absolve my debt. Etc. Etc.

  8. Ca$h-Money! says:

    I like Petry. I do, however, find you make an interesting set of arguments here, namely that he is a good quality NHL dman, but also that he probably shouldn’t be on our first pairing…. but then you suggest he wants $5.5 million and the oilers don’t want to give it to him, and how that’s a horrible thing.

    I don’t want to lose the guy, but I also don’t want to overpay. Here’s a list of all the guys shown on capgeek making between $4.5million and under $6.0million playing NHL D. Looking at this list (some guys are clear overpays) but generally speaking I would put Petry at or near the bottom of this list. Still good company mind you, and obviously contracts signed several years ago are cheaper than those signed today. Still, Petry at $4.5 long term seems right. If he won’t budge off $5.5, and I can trade him for a roughly equal asset who might accept the appropriate pay (Boychuck extended at $4 million say) then I take it.

    Would I prefer to keep Petry AND pick up a comparable player like Boychuck, and extend Petry at the right amount? You bet. But at the end of the day RE has to apply to contracts as much as to point production.

    18. Burns, Brent » $5,760,000
    19. Carle, Matt » $5,750,000
    20. Enstrom, Tobias » $5,750,000
    21. Niskanen, Matt » $5,750,000
    22. Yandle, Keith » $5,500,000
    23. Pietrangelo, Alex » $5,500,000
    24. Staal, Marc » $5,450,000
    25. Martin, Paul » $5,000,000
    26. Johnson, Jack » $5,000,000
    27. Seabrook, Brent » $5,000,000
    28. Wisniewski, James » $5,000,000
    29. Myers, Tyler » $5,000,000
    30. Wideman, Dennis » $5,000,000
    31. Garrison, Jason » $5,000,000
    32. Gonchar, Sergei » $5,000,000
    33. Bouwmeester, Jay » $5,000,000
    34. Goligoski, Alex » $4,800,000
    35. Tyutin, Fedor » $4,750,000
    36. Coburn, Braydon » $4,500,000
    37. Nikitin, Nikita » $4,500,000
    38. Boyle, Dan » $4,500,000
    39. Stralman, Anton » $4,500,000

    P.S. boy does Nikitin jump out at you there. Cost of bringing over hired help admitedly… but damn.

  9. wheatnoil says:

    book¡je:
    Wouldn’t you think Petry would be one of Dellow’s first comments to Eakins?

    I think Dellow’s first comment to Eakins will be about Schultz. Eakins has been playing Petry against the toughest opposition. I think he knows what Petry’s got. It’s Schultz that has been getting a lot more icetime than the results would indicate appropriate. Those minutes may instead go to Petry, but a lot more of it will go to Fayne as he picks up the TOI that the hodgepodge 3rd pairing had last season, plus whatever he carves out from Schultz.

  10. Numenius says:

    I think Eakins really likes Petry and can see through the external criticism. I remember an interview where he went way out of his way to defend Petry – saying that he was the kind of defenseman that can seem dispensible, but whom you find out how integral he was when you get rid of him.

    I’m hoping that keeps Petry around for a long time.

  11. G Money says:

    At some time during the year, one of the one-(thread)-and-done posters dropped by and spewed the usual seen-him-bad nonsense about Petry.

    During the rest of the thread during which his viewpoint was torn apart (nicely but thoroughly, maybe that’s why he was one and done!), he did issue what I would call a ‘typical’ anti-stats challenge. He dared us (the LT collective) to “actually watch” Petry, because somehow all of us Petry fans never watch him or the game, we just look at the Vollman and extol his virtues!

    And of course, the stats in any case are worthless and/or misleading, everyone “knows” Petry is bad and if the stats say he isn’t, it’s the stats and not the observer bias that’s wrong. And if only we would watch the game, that would definitively prove to us that Petry is bad, because he’d be nothing but mistake and giveaway after mistake and giveaway.

    So I took him up on his challenge, and the next night I took notes (during the first period only, it’s pretty intensive) on every single Petry touch of the puck or play made (or even every shift during which I noticed Petry was out but where he didn’t impact the play, which was almost never).

    The results were what you’d expect. Petry touched the puck or made a play it seemed every time he was on the ice. In every case, it was a simple play either to angle the player into the boards, intercept the pass to the outlet player, or retrieve the puck on a dump-in and make a quick pass, usually to Marincin, to move the puck out of the zone. In one case, he made a beauty move to come across half the ice and rub out a “dump out” type of play that would have resulted in a one-on-one. He arrived just before the puck, rubbed the player into the boards, got the puck first and directed it over to Marincin.

    I did record a few mistakes, but in each case, Petry recovered in time to prevent anything bad from happening. I think Petry’s ‘bad games’ are where he’s a bit out of sorts and can’t recover in time to prevent the bad thing happening.

    In any case – it was a period of what every Petry fan sees. Smart, effective and efficient hockey. That big blue bubble in the upper left of the Vollman was full value that period.

    This was against a pretty good team (it was Chi or Ana or LA, I don’t remember who, but I think it was LA because I think that ‘rub out’ play I mentioned was on Martinez), and it was generally against top notch opposition.

    In one way, its perhaps understandable why the great unwashed are down on Petry. Those smart efficient plays don’t really register on the “bone crunching hit!” crowd. They see the one mistake and not the twenty smart plays before it. And of course, being out there against the best and being around the puck all the time means that when he does make a (rare) mistake, the chances that it ends up in the net are pretty high.

    I was a bit disappointed in that a few others had voiced their intention to participate in the exercise, but didn’t. It would have been nice to have a complete games worth of Petryvision.

    Maybe if we do a few of those full games next season and send the data in to Dellow, we can stave off #3. Instead of passively waiting for the worst, maybe we can be part of helping the Oilers do the smart thing.

  12. chabroste says:

    Gotta think, if Dellow has any say in player moves, Petry gets discussed long term. Problem I see happening is that the Oilers are very high on Schultz, while the numbers aren’t so much. I wonder how much Dellow will be able to express his opinions on both players. Will certainly be an interesting year

  13. flyfish1168 says:

    JMHO. just maybe MacT has a backroom deal with Petry to sign a good one year contract so he can be traded at trade deadline for a 1st and a prospect and then in the summer of 2015 comeback to us on a long term deal. food for thought. Would be nice.

  14. Ca$h-Money! says:

    flyfish1168:
    JMHO. just maybe MacT has a backroom deal with Petry to sign a good one year contract so he can be traded at trade deadline for a 1st and a prospect and then in the summer of 2015 comeback to us on a long term deal. food for thought. Would be nice.

    That almost never happens, to the point that I think the GMs might have a gentlemens agreement in place not to pursue UFAs who have recently left their squad. Matt Moulsen is about the only example of that I can think of, but he played for 3 teams last year and went back to the second one.

  15. chabroste says:

    G Money:

    In one way, its perhaps understandable why the great unwashed are down on Petry.Those smart efficient plays don’t really register on the “bone crunching hit!” crowd.They see the one mistake and not the twenty smart plays before it.And of course, being out there against the best and being around the puck all the time means that when he does make a (rare) mistake, the chances that it ends up in the net are pretty high.

    Perfect

  16. HiddenDarts says:

    I’ll be sad when that “Sail On” comes down the pipe. Last year, a year in which my Oiler fandom was SEVERELY tested, he seemed like the only “steady” D the Oil had. Brain farts, yes, but positionally fantastic and what a skater.

    I even “saw him physical” a few times, and it was a hell of a lot tougher that JSchultz will ever be.

    Not sure what use we get out of a prospect at the deadline, but MacT seems to be doing right lately. Is there some kind of method to his madness that we haven’t figured out?

  17. bry_oil says:

    flyfish1168,

    First off the max Petry would ever get you in a deal is probably a 2nd, unless he just plays the lights out. And I agree with Ca$h, just think back to all the times where people have thought up the gentlemen’s agreement situation. By my memory not very many times a deal has been struck in the offseason.

    I’m a Petry fan and really hope he can continue his career after this year.

  18. rubbertrout says:

    Hope you’re right book!e. Dellow understands Petry’s value and maybe, just maybe, he will be the voice that tells Mac-T “wait a minute” before he gets flushed for magic beans.

  19. Frank The Dog says:

    The great unwashed contingent of our fan base. The ones that look for softness in College players and “Euros” to fit their narrative. People who, because of the oilfields, can live well AND buy season tickets along with enough beer to get blotto by the final period. Anti stats to a man, “seen him good” through an empty beer glass half the time. How many other teams have as large a contingent of these people on their fan base as we have?

    We are, after all, a University town. In fact we have several.

    If you were Petry, what, other than salary, would keep you here? Pretty soon it should be a winning team and a shiny new arena in addition to the existing well funded ownership. It should include the fan base, but regrettably I suspect this contingent of our fan base may be one reason why the educated and the “foreign” may be less attracted to our team than we would like them to be – for now.

    On a positive note, is this an early harbinger of the Oil finally arriving at a place where we are no longer able to be held to ransom by reasonably good players in order to retain them?

    Or, as some posters have commented on prior threads, is there a mutual agreement to re-sign for the longer period once the new contract qualifies under the new cap?

  20. rubbertrout says:

    Ca$h-Money!:
    I like Petry.I do, however, find you make an interesting set of arguments here, namely that he is a good quality NHL dman, but also that he probably shouldn’t be on our first pairing…. but then you suggest he wants $5.5 million and the oilers don’t want to give it to him, and how that’s a horrible thing.

    I don’t want to lose the guy, but I also don’t want to overpay.Here’s a list of all the guys shown on capgeek making between $4.5million and under $6.0million playing NHL D.Looking at this list (some guys are clear overpays) but generally speaking I would put Petry at or near the bottom of this list.Still good company mind you, and obviously contracts signed several years ago are cheaper than those signed today.Still, Petry at $4.5 long term seems right.If he won’t budge off $5.5, and I can trade him for a roughly equal asset who might accept the appropriate pay (Boychuck extended at $4 million say) then I take it.

    Would I prefer to keep Petry AND pick up a comparable player like Boychuck, and extend Petry at the right amount?You bet.But at the end of the day RE has to apply to contracts as much as to point production.

    18.Burns, Brent » $5,760,000
    19.Carle, Matt »$5,750,000
    20.Enstrom, Tobias »$5,750,000
    21.Niskanen, Matt » $5,750,000
    22.Yandle, Keith »$5,500,000
    23.Pietrangelo, Alex »$5,500,000
    24.Staal, Marc »$5,450,000
    25.Martin, Paul »$5,000,000
    26.Johnson, Jack »$5,000,000
    27.Seabrook, Brent »$5,000,000
    28.Wisniewski, James »$5,000,000
    29.Myers, Tyler »$5,000,000
    30.Wideman, Dennis »$5,000,000
    31.Garrison, Jason »$5,000,000
    32.Gonchar, Sergei »$5,000,000
    33.Bouwmeester, Jay »$5,000,000
    34.Goligoski, Alex »$4,800,000
    35.Tyutin, Fedor »$4,750,000
    36.Coburn, Braydon »$4,500,000
    37.Nikitin, Nikita »$4,500,000
    38.Boyle, Dan »$4,500,000
    39.Stralman, Anton »$4,500,000

    P.S. boy does Nikitin jump out at you there.Cost of bringing over hired help admitedly… but damn.

    The one thing that comes to mind is that Petry would be signing in light of the new cap and many of those are “old” deals that would generate more money if they were signed today. Apples to apples and that sort of thing.

  21. Henry says:

    Numenius:
    I think Eakins really likes Petry and can see through the external criticism. I remember an interview where he went way out of his way to defend Petry – saying that he was the kind of defenseman that can seem dispensible, but whom you find out how integral he was when you get rid of him.

    I’m hoping that keeps Petry around for a long time.

    I remember that press session too. Eakins put out that wisdom quite nicely that night.

    Though it may be wishful thinking I’m not convinced that Petry isn’t in the plans for MacT. Petry signed a true value contract with Tambi two years ago. The flip side that bit the Oilers is that the bridge brought him straight to one arbitration and then UFA. He and his agent can bargain very hard in that spot.

    There has been a market for RHD this offseason. If Petry isn’t in the plans, why not trade him to Detroit now when you can get more back? The answer may be that they hope they can still sign him.

  22. Doomoil says:

    haters:
    If you play at above avg possession for 82 games of the year but make one mistake that costs your team the game 64% of the time how many wins does that equate to ?

    Answer: 28th place.

    I really miss Prongs

    I’m trying to figure out what ridiculous statement you’re trying to make here:

    That Petry single handedly causes the Oilers to lose 64% of all games he plays in

    or

    That Petry is single handedly responsible for 64% of all Oilers loses

  23. B S says:

    “14. What’s the other problem? Oilers have too many defensive sorties per shift. It’s jailbreak after jailbreak after jailbreak. The entire game for the Oilers is one giant broken play. One defenseman can’t stop that kind of force every night. It just isn’t possible.”

    It bothers me that around here this is an excuse for Petry, but a criticism of Schultz. I think Schultz isn’t as far from Petry as many around here believe.

    What worries me is that management sees that too and considers it a reason to replace Petry. Not the right move, we can and should have both in the lineup. Until Dillon Simpson starts eating Petry’s lunch we need three actual RD, and while Yak or Lander might be willing to fill the gap, I don’t think they are suitable choices.

  24. Racki says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    I foresee a new narrative on the Oilogosphere: “What is Dellow thinking/saying/doing about this?”

    I scanned through this thread and found several posts that seem to believe Dellow is going to solve the world’s problems. He’ll be one voice in the room, bringing a different spin to player evaluation. I think it’s good to have an out side the box opinion (especially in the hockey world which isn’t known for being accepting of new ideas), and I also think it’s good that he’ll actually have access to *real* possession stats (not guesstimated ones). I don’t expect he will be impacting all decisions, but a couple here and there. There are a lot of opinions to sway, some a bit stubborn / set in their ways.

  25. spoiler says:

    LT said…

    3.I see he’s playing 55 games. Trading him? Yes, I think he’s gone at the deadline.

    4.THAT’S reasonable??!?! The one-year contract suggests the Oilers aren’t convinced or Petry wants to go. Either way, it’s pretty much done in my opinion

    This is only one possible interpretation of the one year signing. There are probably a half dozen others. However it is not unlike Oiler fans to panic about a player leaving before there is any need to panic. That happened just recently with the collective’s interpretation of the Arcobello situation, which turned out to be completely incorrect….

    LT, are you able to interview Dellow, or has he completely gone into stealth mode?

  26. icecastles says:

    Goddamnit Oilers, trade someone! Fire someone! Blow up a building! Start the season! I can’t handle another one more of LT’s banal goddamn hippy music selections! Bllaaaarrrggghhhh rawwrrr!!!

    As you were.

    Gonna go get some coffee and return to quietly reading the comments of people with more patience and insight than I.

  27. spoiler says:

    haters: If you play at above avg possession for 82 games of the year but make one mistake that costs your team the game 64% of the time how many wins does that equate to ?

    Answer: Clueless poster.

  28. spoiler says:

    icecastles:
    Goddamnit Oilers, trade someone! Fire someone! Blow up a building! Start the season! I can’t handle another one more of LT’s banal goddamn hippy music selections! Bllaaaarrrggghhhh rawwrrr!!!

    As you were.

    Gonna go get some coffee and return to quietly reading the comments of people with more patience and insight than I.

    I just skip most of them (after all, it’s summer) and find that helps the sanity greatly. The RE Summaries are the most important articles to read (IMHO) anyway.

  29. Lowetide says:

    spOILer: I suspect all Dellow interviews from this point forward to be on the rights holder’s station.

  30. slopitch says:

    I think Dellow has been involved for a while along with Dan Haight in addition to MacT being more capable then Tambellini. I don’t really think there should be a major change in narrative with Dellow being hired since the hires this summer (Payne and Pouliot) are adv stats gems.

    There are still 3-4 teams over the cap. Petry may be gone by October 1. I hope not, but I think its still possible they move Petry for a 2C and trade for Boychuk.

    Of course Dellow would move Schultz and re-up Petry ;)

  31. spoiler says:

    I am speculating here, but I would say the one obviously* nice thing about the one year contract is that it seems to me it is unlikely Petry is the piece to be moved prior to the season or early in the season for Center help. There’s a lot of risk for the other party to also lose him to FA after the year is done. I’m thinking it would have to be a trade for a C who is also on an expiring contract for Petry to be moved prior to the deadline.

    *There may be some unobvious nice things we are unaware of or… there might not be.

  32. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    spOILer: I suspect all Dellow interviews from this point forward to be on the rights holder’s station.

    That makes sense, thank you. I was curious to know if there was any way of clarifying his role. Is he working more with the coaching or with management, or both. Most of the comments today seem to expect he will have an influence on management, and while I hope that is the case, I’m certainly not certain it is.

  33. hoser313 says:

    G Money:

    In one way, its perhaps understandable why the great unwashed are down on Petry.Those smart efficient plays don’t really register on the “bone crunching hit!” crowd.They see the one mistake and not the twenty smart plays before it.And of course, being out there against the best and being around the puck all the time means that when he does make a (rare) mistake, the chances that it ends up in the net are pretty high.

    You nailed it. One of the reasons Petry seems to “blend in” to the play is that he is actually fast enough to keep up to the play in the new NHL.

    Kind of a poor man’s Jay Boumeester (another player who incidentally doesn’t always get much respect).

  34. Racki says:

    Eakins apparently was reported as being the one who he reports to and/or hired him. But the Oilers also said in their release that he is helping with hockey ops. So, your guess is as good as mine. Is his official title now Senior Analyst of Not Making Angry Blogs That Trash Oilers Brass Anymore ?

  35. Hammers says:

    Probably managements single biggest mistake . Sure he had bad games or plays but considering he played with a rookie half the year and against toughest opposition he and Martin ended up being our best pair . Someone will give him $5mill as a UFA if all he does is have a steady year as a 2nd pairing “D” . . As we sit Fayne is 1st pair r.h. “D” then Petry & Schultz on 3rd pair .The real question for me is who plays with each of them . This may sound nuts to some but I would have Marincin with Fayne , Ference with Petry and Nikitan with Schultz , as that may be as close as we get to 3/ 2nd pairing sets .

  36. borisnikov says:

    From all the Dellow talk… the thing I keep coming back to in my own mind is that I hope he writes a book about his experiences some day. The guy is seriously living all of our second dream right now (first one being playing in the NHL).

    Helping run one’s favorite big leauge hockey team.

    It’s a mind blowing “rags to riches” story:)

  37. icecastles says:

    spoiler: The RE Summaries are the most important articles to read (IMHO) anyway.

    No doubt. Lowetide’s RE series is some of the best hockey writing ANYWHERE on the internet. I’ve just been hanging out in Skinny Puppy forums during the offseason and getting all angsty.

    And I’ve still not had any coffee.

  38. oliveoilers says:

    Racki: I scanned through this thread and found several posts that seem to believe Dellow is going to solve the world’s problems. He’ll be one voice in the room, bringing a different spin to player evaluation. I think it’s good to have an out side the box opinion (especially in the hockey world which isn’t known for being accepting of new ideas), and I also think it’s good that he’ll actually have access to *real* possession stats (not guesstimated ones). I don’t expect he will be impacting all decisions, but a couple here and there. There are a lot of opinions to sway, some a bit stubborn / set in their ways.

    That is only if he is correct 100% of the time. Some of those other opinion may be more correct than Dellow’s on that particular subject matter. As you say, he’s a voice, a damn useful one that uses empirical evidence to back up his assumptions. However, the mistake we all make is one that human kind has made since time imemoriam: The Flat Earth effect. That now we’ve embraced analytics, we know all there is to know about them and the subject becomes stagnant. That this is the accepted view, it has always been so, so why would even try to prove the world isn’t flat?

    Dellow’s smart, and i’ll lay dollars to doughnuts that he sees analytics as ever evolving. There’s probably stats he uses that he’s not happy about, but they are the best fit AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.

    Jack Michaels actually made a very good point the other night: Now’s the time to poop or get off the pot. Now people are paying Dellow to do this in a results driven industry. This is no longer Dellow looking at the OIiers and wondering what the hell’s up with Taylor’s zone entries and figuring it out for numbskulls such as myself on the blogosphere. I hope they give him a decent shot, and that he can now delve even deeper into what makes the game tick. I also hope that Dellow shows his humility when something happens that isn’t supposed to and doesn’t blame it on ‘small sample size’ or ‘bad luck’. Last thing we need is more Spectors.

  39. justDOit says:

    Racki:
    Is his official title now Senior Analyst of Not Making Angry Blogs That Trash Oilers Brass Anymore ?

    Ding ding ding!

    Seriously, even if Dellow only reports to Eakin, you’ve got to think that Eakin’s opinion of Petry will be heard by MacT. Because deleting Petry after adding NN and Fayne doesn’t make this D-corps better, and I can’t see Dallas being okay with that.

    So unless Petry doesn’t want to play in Blue & Orange much longer, or wants his kick at being UFA, I’m going to go ahead and believe that MacT will do the right thing. Just DO IT!

  40. malinpaul says:

    Nurse, Schultz, Klefbom, Marincin…

    If we had gotten Ekblad and added his name to that list the Oil would have had a chance at some D by committee cups. With no Ekblad opting to drop Petry feels dead wrong.

  41. G Money says:

    Frank The Dog: Or, as some posters have commented on prior threads, is there a mutual agreement to re-sign for the longer period once the new contract qualifies under the new cap?

    I just can’t see that being the case. In the context of modern contract negotiations, such a verbal assurance isn’t even worth the paper it’s written on (see what I did there?).

    It seems to me it comes down to one of two things:

    - LT’s belief that the Oilers and MacT just aren’t as sold on Petry as a quality D the way the Oilogosphere generally is, and this is a bridge contract in preparation for the expected maturation of guys like Klefbom and Jultz and Nurse. In which case, Petry is a goner for sure.

    - Petry believes that he’s worth more than MacT does, and MacT’s given Petry a year to prove his worth. In which case, Petry may be gone if they can’t reach a deal down the road, but just as likely he signs on for the long-term. This season will be the tell.

    Personally, I believe the latter. It’s easy to imagine where the gap comes in.

    Petry: “I’m your best D, I should be paid like one.”
    MacT: “You’re the best D, maybe, but on the worst defensive team in the league. You’re top pairing here, but second pairing on most good teams in the league. If I pay you like a 1D, I can’t afford to bring in a real 1D if I get the chance.”

    A bridge contract gives them a year to figure it out.

  42. TheOtherJohn says:

    Think Racki will be right. Tyler will be one of many voices in a room. A smart person will hear and remember what he said about trade for/UAF signing of player X. An example was Clarkson.Suspect Oilers will still have tried to sign him but strength of Tylers opposition would be remembered and vindicated. That is how he will gain a stronger voice in the room

    On Petry he is our best D man. That is also some evidence of why we are a 28th placeI I like Petry and think he is a keeper on a 4-5 year deal. Agree with LT that someonehigh up in hockey ops does not like him. FFS we just signed a 5-6 D from Columbus to a $9m 2 yr contract. I repeat a # 5-6.

    Hate using alternate team models mostly because the Oilers trying to sell us on the Pittsburgh model, the Chicago model and, the old standby— the Detroit model. We are most like the Atlanta Thrhser model but I digress.

    Detroit drafted Brendan Smith who, like Petry, played 3 years of college, spent 1 full year in the minors and more than a full season over the next 2 years in Grand Rapids. So thats more than 2 of his first 3 years are in the AHL. Petry played 41 games in the AHl and then after 35 games on a 3rd pairing and has been forced over the last 3 years to play on a top pairing.Today on a good team he’d be the junior guy on a top pairing or the offensive guy on a 2nd pairing.Instead he plays with Marincin (who was great last year) against the other teams best.. That cannot in any world be a good way to develop anyone. It is akin to teaching someone to swim by walking them over to the pool and throwing them into the deep end. And then compplaining they do not have they most efficient friont crawl mechanics

  43. Soup Fascist says:

    One question. A lot of people have Petry as trade bait at the deadline primarily, due to his expiring contract. IF the Oilers have even a SNIFF of the playoffs at the deadline how do you even begin to spin trading, at worst, a top 4 D-man in their line up for a draft pick?

    To a fan base that has ponied up for 8 years of non-playoff futility there is no way to put lipstick on that pig. The Oilers could very well be toast at the deadline, but if they have a pulse, Petry has to stay and almost certainly walks in summer. Terrible, terrible asset management.

  44. Racki says:

    oliveoilers: That is only if he is correct 100% of the time.Some of those other opinion may be more correct than Dellow’s on that particular subject matter.As you say, he’s a voice, a damn useful one that uses empirical evidence to back up his assumptions.However, the mistake we all make is one that human kind has made since time imemoriam:The Flat Earth effect.That now we’ve embraced analytics, we know all there is to know about them and the subject becomes stagnant.That this is the accepted view, it has always been so, so why would even try to prove the world isn’t flat?

    Dellow’s smart,and i’ll lay dollars to doughnuts that he sees analytics as ever evolving.There’s probably stats he uses that he’s not happy about, but they are the best fit AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.

    Jack Michaels actually made a very good point the other night:Now’s the time to poop or get off the pot.Now people are paying Dellow to do this in a results driven industry.This is no longer Dellow looking at the OIiers and wondering what the hell’s up with Taylor’s zone entries and figuring it out for numbskulls such as myself on the blogosphere.I hope they give him a decent shot, and that he can now delve even deeper into what makes the game tick.I also hope that Dellow shows his humility when something happens that isn’t supposed to and doesn’t blame it on ‘small sample size’ or ‘bad luck’.Last thing we need is more Spectors.

    I agree with a lot of this, especially with the notion that Dellow won’t always be right. It’s important for people to realize that adv stats are ONE tool. Not the be all end all.

    Also, I will say that Dellow should be in stats guy heaven. If not the Oilers are failing at this. McKenzie even spoke to the fact that Corsi is basically laughable compared to what teams have access to. You want to know how long Taylor is in possession of the puck you watch how long he is in possession of the puck and add that to your total… You don’t count shots. The Oilers should and likely do the former method. Sorry if this info breaks your hearts people. I know it’s the best we peons have access to, but Dellow will be slumming it if he has to resort to Corsi for possession or face offs for zone starts with what other teams do (and I’m certain the Oilers do too.. I’d be interested to hear from his mouth though) .

  45. G Money says:

    Racki: I scanned through this thread and found several posts that seem to believe Dellow is going to solve the world’s problems. He’ll be one voice in the room, bringing a different spin to player evaluation.

    You know, you’re right, because this is a pro-stats crowd overall, I think we are prone to confuse our hope with our prediction … namely that Dellow (a leading light in that field) will have a much greater impact than he actually will.

    I think there is reason to believe either (high impact, no impact) has an equal chance of being true.

    On the one hand, you’re right, Dellow will be just one more voice in a large room, and the most junior one at that, which might make his effective impact zero.

    My hope is that he won’t be treated as a voice, but rather used the way Laboratory Services are used by doctors.

    Conversation and examination is a fundamental part of good medicine, and to my mind this is the equivalent of the “old guard” “seen him good” aspect of hockey.

    But a good doctor today would almost never claim to have a conclusive diagnosis or treatment plan – at least not for any complex malady – without appropriate lab tests. Serious, even fatal concerns like cancer and diabetes, show up on lab scores sometimes years before they show up physically.

    I think Dellow is now “The Lab”.

    If the Oilers use him correctly to help inform, understand, then diagnose and treat what ails the Oilers, it could be a huge advance. Huge.

    If they treat him as a voice in the room, and his voice is on par with the homeopath insisting that Arnica is the cure for everything … there’ll be no change at all.

  46. Bar_Qu says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    I foresee a new narrative on the Oilogosphere: “What is Dellow thinking/saying/doing about this?”

    Quoted for truth

  47. Frank The Dog says:

    malinpaul:
    Nurse, Schultz, Klefbom, Marincin…

    If we had gotten Ekblad and added his name to that list the Oil would have had a chance at some D by committee cups. With no Ekblad opting to drop Petry feels dead wrong.

    yes, with a freshly concussed D prospect before he even starts his NHL tryouts.

  48. Woodguy says:

    I think Petry is done too.

    Evidence:

    1) 1 year contract

    2) MacT saying “we can’t have a bunch of Dmen all making $4MM”

    3) Hiring Fayne (who is very similar to Petry) for $3.65MM

    I think this year is a contest between Jultz and Petry for 2RD of the future.

    As much verbal as we’ve heard about Jultz from MacT, he’s not stupid and he’s not blind.

    Jultz gets a head start via the way the org thinks of him and that he’s RFA, but I think he damaged his rep a bit last year inside the org because he just wasn’t much good at all.

  49. Frank The Dog says:

    G Money: I just can’t see that being the case.In the context of modern contract negotiations, such a verbal assurance isn’t even worth the paper it’s written on (see what I did there?).

    It seems to me it comes down to one of two things:

    - LT’s belief that the Oilers and MacT just aren’t as sold on Petry as a quality D the way the Oilogosphere generally is, and this is a bridge contract in preparation for the expected maturation of guys like Klefbom and Jultz and Nurse.In which case, Petry is a goner for sure.

    - Petry believes that he’s worth more than MacT does, and MacT’s given Petry a year to prove his worth.In which case, Petry may be gone if they can’t reach a deal down the road, but just as likely he signs on for the long-term.This season will be the tell.

    Personally, I believe the latter.It’s easy to imagine where the gap comes in.

    Petry: “I’m your best D, I should be paid like one.”
    MacT: “You’re the best D, maybe, but on the worst defensive team in the league.You’re top pairing here, but second pairing on most good teams in the league.If I pay you like a 1D, I can’t afford to bring in a real 1D if I get the chance.”

    A bridge contract gives them a year to figure it out.

    All sound points. Time will tell which prognostication is correct.

  50. G Money says:

    Racki: You want to know how long Taylor is in possession of the puck you watch how long he is in possession of the puck and add that to your total… You don’t count shots.

    Actually, there have been attempts to use the stopwatch method of tracking possession. Turns out that Corsi is very highly correlated with what you get out of the stopwatch method, so the claim that Corsi is really a possession stat is well supported. I don’t have a link for you at the moment, but will see if I can dig one up.

    (On a side note, despite the relative infancy of the fancy stats, many of the objections raised to them have been raised many times and many years previous. Like with any good process, such objections have been assessed, studied, and the resulting conclusions either incorporated or disproven).

    That said, I’m quite certain you’re correct that Dellow will have access to data well beyond what is publicly available.

    For example, the stopwatch method does not really give much of an improvement over Corsi for possession generically, but what would really be interesting would be to see where that possession occurs as well.

    I could imagine then generating a heatmap of possession on shots for and shots against per player team. You could then prepare individually. “Hey Taylor, against Calgary, your best bet is to carry it in, fake to the inside, then go around and carry it to the net, then either shoot or pass depending on how the D and G react. Against Chicago, your best bet is to fake to the outside, then cut across the middle and shoot.” Etc.

    That kind of analysis can also be done by video, but as with any statistical approach, it allows you to look for subtle patterns in large volumes of data that otherwise might not be visible to an individual watching.

    Just an example, but you see what I’m getting at.

  51. Racki says:

    G Money: You know, you’re right, because this is a pro-stats crowd overall, I think we are prone to confuse our hope with our prediction … namely that Dellow (a leading light in that field) will have a much greater impact than he actually will.

    I think there is reason to believe either (high impact, no impact) has an equal chance of being true.

    On the one hand, you’re right, Dellow will be just one more voice in a large room, and the most junior one at that, which might make his effective impact zero.

    My hope is that he won’t be treated as a voice, but rather used the way Laboratory Services are used by doctors.

    Conversation and examination is a fundamental part of good medicine, and to my mind this is the equivalent of the “old guard” “seen him good” aspect of hockey.

    But a good doctor today would almost never claim to have a conclusive diagnosis or treatment plan – at least not for any complex malady – without appropriate lab tests.Serious, even fatal concerns like cancer and diabetes, show up on lab scores sometimes years before they show up physically.

    I think Dellow is now “The Lab”.

    If the Oilers use him correctly to help inform, understand, then diagnose and treat what ails the Oilers, it could be a huge advance.Huge.

    If they treat him as a voice in the room, and his voice is on par with the homeopath insisting that Arnica is the cure for everything … there’ll be no change at all.

    Ya I think it’s important that he has a bit of say. I will say I don’t put a lot of stock in advance stats as we peons know them but I do put more faith in what the Oilers will have access to for Dellow to tap into. So my hope is that when MacT and Co say “we are thinking about pack no up player A…”,. Some scouts will say what they have seen about him and Dellow will weigh in on what the numbers say. MacT and Co can then decide if the player is a good pick up.

    I’m not saying Dellow will be useless or ignored. I just don’t think he’s going to be calling the shots like some people here seem to be expecting. I don’t think he should be either. But he probably will be taken a bit less seriously than he should due to being junior. Maybe the trust increases over time though.

    The hockey world is extremely slow to adapt, as we know. So don’t expect an over night change. But I hope he can help convince the brass to keep a guy or two that should be kept or acquire a guy or two that should be acquired. It’s crazy if we think he’d be right all the time though.

  52. Bank Shot says:

    I don’t think you can suggest that Petry would look great playing second pairing competition and then be happy about the Oilers paying him $5.5 million per season. If Petry is going to be making that kind of scratch then he needs to be a good top pairing option on a winning team. I would say he isn’t that at this point. He’s a decent top four. So he shouldn’t be making more then Stralman for instance.

    We’ve seen guys like Gilbert, Erhoff, and Stralman sign contracts that aren’t at the top of the UFA scale this off season. If Petry won’t accept a contract that is good for the Oilers then it appears it would be easier to just go out and acquire another Petry type because they aren’t that sought after and they don’t break the bank. Even when buying as UFAs.

    Don’t overpay for something that isn’t in demand.

    This is all assuming that Petry is actually asking for $5.5 which we don’t know. If its about the money then the Oilers are smart to walk away. If its about the Oilers not having interest then its just dumb. I have to assume its Petry’s camp being unreasonable here though. You would have to think the Oilers would have signed Petry’s camp to something longer term and fair cap hit even if they planned to trade him down the road.

  53. Racki says:

    G Money: Actually, there have been attempts to use the stopwatch method of tracking possession.Turns out that Corsi is very highly correlated with what you get out of the stopwatch method, so the claim that Corsi is really a possession stat is well supported.I don’t have a link for you at the moment, but will see if I can dig one up.

    (On a side note, despite the relative infancy of the fancy stats, many of the objections raised to them have been raised many times and many years previous.Like with any good process, such objections have been assessed, studied, and the resulting conclusions either incorporated or disproven).

    That said, I’m quite certain you’re correct that Dellow will have access to data well beyond what is publicly available.

    For example, the stopwatch method does not really give much of an improvement over Corsi for possession generically, but what would really be interesting would be to see where that possession occurs as well.

    I could imagine then generating a heatmap of possession on shots for and shots against per player team.You could then prepare individually.“Hey Taylor, against Calgary, your best bet is to carry it in, fake to the inside, then go around and carry it to the net.Against Chicago, your best bet is to fake to the outside, then cut across the middle and shoot.”Etc.

    That kind of analysis can also be done by video, but as with any statistical approach, it allows you to look for subtle patterns in large volumes of data that otherwise might not be visible to an individual watching.

    Just an example, but you see what I’m getting at.

    I have been privy to some of the discussions, so I do know what you’re saying. But I think your latter points speak to what I’m saying. Corsi and such is very very generic whereas the Oilers and other teams can do wonders like this heat map you speak of. I am not going to continue to dig up the old argument about the blog version of adv stats, but I will just say they are limited compared to what teams (and now Dellow) have at their fingers.

  54. Numenius says:

    oliveoilers: However, the mistake we all make is one that human kind has made since time imemoriam: The Flat Earth effect.

    Not to be a dink, but since the ancient Greeks, virtually no one with any education believed that the earth was flat.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth

  55. Bank Shot says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Think Racki will be right. Tyler will be one of many voices in a room.

    I think Tyler will be a voice in the room like Myles Fee is a voice in the room.

    Who is Myles Fee? Exactly.

    I’ve read somewhere that Tyler will be staying in Toronto. I really doubt he is going to be sitting in on high level discussions about players.

    Apparently the Oilers think they need some statistical analysis because they have the the hockey knowledge, but lack the stats knowledge. Dellow provides information to MacT who now has both the hockey knowledge and the stats knowledge.

    At that point, what else can Dellow provide that isn’t already covered by everyone else in the room?

    Perhaps one day Tyler could have significant input on the makeup of the hockey team but I believe that day is pretty far off still.

  56. G Money says:

    Bank Shot: Dellow provides information to MacT who now has both the hockey knowledge and the stats knowledge.
    At that point, what else can Dellow provide that isn’t already covered by everyone else in the room?

    Interviews with Eakins suggest (not conclusively but still a good indication) that Dellow’s influence will be primarily with on-ice tactics, at least initially.

    Staying in Toronto is part of why I used the “lab test” analogy. The examination and decisions are made in the doctor’s office, but the lab tests are done in specialized offsite facilities. I hope that the goal of the organization in hiring Dellow is to generate high quality objective diagnostic information, and that’s an entirely different thing from just being another voice at the table.

  57. danny says:

    First, Tyler lands a job with the Oilers, then a VicFerrari unmasking.

    Flashback 8 years ago on HFBoards, Igor and Mudcrutch doing their thing prodding and pissing off the hive.

    Here we are today.

    Who’s gonna be cast in the broadway hit MoneyPuck?

    Tyler – Bill Murray
    Vic – Kevin Spacey
    LT – Morgan Freeman
    Dennis – Dennis Leary
    Bruce – Stephen Root
    Mrs LT – Scarlett Johansson

  58. Captain's Log says:

    G Money: Petry: “I’m your best D, I should be paid like one.”
    MacT: “You’re the best D, maybe, but on the worst defensive team in the league.You’re top pairing here, but second pairing on most good teams in the league.If I pay you like a 1D, I can’t afford to bring in a real 1D if I get the chance.”

    A bridge contract gives them a year to figure it out.

    Yes I can see it playing out like this but what happens when Justin Schultz signs? And what if he signs for 6 years at 5+ (or something like that)

    If that happens and I’m Petry my thoughts are “What the f MacT? I watch Schultz forget his head in his own zone for two years and you sign him to the kind of deal I wanted? Bye bye Oilers.”

  59. oliveoilers says:

    Numenius: Not to be a dink, but since the ancient Greeks, virtually no one with any education believed that the earth was flat.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth

    LOL, you’re not being a dink. However the inquisiton of the middle ages didn’t need education…….because NOBODY EXPECTS THE (SPANISH) INQUISITION!

    This leads to some interesting thoughts: There are still Flat Earth theorists out there, same as creationists. Some of these people are very educated. That what they are educated in is total dog wank is a matter for the pedants of grammar to argue. Does ‘Educated’ equal ‘Knowledgable’ equal ‘Correct’?

  60. Lowetide says:

    danny:
    First, Tyler lands a job with the Oilers, then a VicFerrari unmasking.

    Flashback 8 years ago on HFBoards, Igor and Mudcrutch doing their thing prodding and pissing off the hive.

    Here we are today.

    Who’s gonna be cast in the broadway hit MoneyPuck?

    Tyler – Bill Murray
    Vic – Kevin Spacey
    LT – Morgan Freeman
    Dennis – Dennis Leary
    Bruce – Stephen Root
    Mrs LT – Scarlett Johansson

    THIS is brilliant casting. I should probably spend some time with Scarlett to give her an idea about my character.

  61. Woodguy says:

    In regards to Tyler being a “voice in the room”, this piece by Wyshynski spells it out:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/tyler-dellow-hired-by-oilers-as-mainstreaming-of-fancy-stats-is-complete-153753176.html

    And Dellow was hired – after well over a year of flirtation between himself and the Oilers – because he had a few key personnel pushing for it.

    Who were the key personnel?

    But Coach Dallas Eakins is a dedicated follower, and Dellow is expected to report directly to him. So is assistant GM Scott Howson, who no doubt lobbied within the organization for the move.

    So I imagine he’ll continue on his situational corsi work for Eakins (which is brilliant and really opened my eyes to how the little things add up) and that he’s do personnel work for Howson.

    Tyler won’t necessarily be a voice at the table, but Eakins and Howson’s voices will be influenced by his.

  62. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: THIS is brilliant casting. I should probably spend some time with Scarlett to give her an idea about my character.

    Whenever I think of you a tall thin African american is the first thing that comes to mind.

  63. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: THIS is brilliant casting. I should probably spend some time with Scarlett to give her an idea about my character.

    Seriously though I thought it was a pretty inspired list.

  64. Lowetide says:

    If we’re giving credit for Dellow’s hiring, and I have no inside info, it might not be a bad idea to tip one’s hat to the fellow down the dial.

  65. Soup Fascist says:

    Woodguy: Seriously though I thought it was a pretty inspired list.

    See, and I had Howard Hessman a.k.a Dr. Johnny Fever, circa 1982, playing a vinyl-spinning hockey blogger.

    I especially envisioned the scene where – as part of a social experiment on Lowdown with Lowetide, our hero is able to recall 1970 hockey players and obscure album names at a quicker rate after a few libations.

    Although, to be fair I have never heard L.T. say “booger” on the air.

  66. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    If we’re giving credit for Dellow’s hiring, and I have no inside info, it might not be a bad idea to tip one’s hat to the fellow down the dial.

    He certainly promoted him on his show.

    He has an established relationship with Howson.

    Perhaps.

  67. wheatnoil says:

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    PDF copy is just under $14 US. I think I’ll be getting one.

  68. wheatnoil says:

    danny:
    First, Tyler lands a job with the Oilers, then a VicFerrari unmasking.

    Flashback 8 years ago on HFBoards, Igor and Mudcrutch doing their thing prodding and pissing off the hive.

    Here we are today.

    Who’s gonna be cast in the broadway hit MoneyPuck?

    Tyler – Bill Murray
    Vic – Kevin Spacey
    LT – Morgan Freeman
    Dennis – Dennis Leary
    Bruce – Stephen Root
    Mrs LT – Scarlett Johansson

    Who plays Steve Simmons?

  69. Bank Shot says:

    G Money: Interviews with Eakins suggest (not conclusively but still a good indication) that Dellow’s influence will be primarily with on-ice tactics, at least initially.

    Staying in Toronto is part of why I used the “lab test” analogy.The examination and decisions are made in the doctor’s office, but the lab tests are done in specialized offsite facilities.I hope that the goal of the organization in hiring Dellow is to generate high quality objective diagnostic information, and that’s an entirely different thing from just being another voice at the table.

    That’s probably a pretty good way of spelling it out.

  70. Soup Fascist says:

    wheatnoil: Who plays Steve Simmons?

    Too easy. Gary Busey.

  71. Lowetide says:

    I’ll have Rob on the Lowdown Wednesday next.

  72. Bank Shot says:

    Anyway, the lesson for Lowetide to learn out of all of this is that he has to start being a lot harder on the Oilers Org.

    First Stauffer, and now Mudcrutch.

    If Lowetide really starts giving the Org the gears he too could find himself sitting up in the press box watching the games in style.

    Time for an article titled RE:They are all idiots! , or maybe Sail On Lowe you Sack of %$#@.

  73. danny says:

    wheatnoil: Who plays Steve Simmons?

    My vote is Lewis Black.

  74. danny says:

    Soup Fascist: Too easy. Gary Busey.

    I change my vote.

  75. Lowetide says:

    Bank Shot:
    Anyway, the lesson for Lowetide to learn out of all of this is that he has to start being a lot harder on the Oilers Org.

    First Stauffer, and now Mudcrutch.

    If Lowetide really starts giving the Org the gears he too could find himself sitting up in the press box watching the games in style.

    Time for an article titled RE:They are all idiots! , or maybe Sail On Lowe you Sack of %$#@.

    Ha! No, I’m quite happy where I am, thanks. The Oilers are (imo) doing plenty right, so good days should be on the way for this fan. If they do that, I’ll be paid in full.

  76. Numenius says:

    Bank Shot: This is all assuming that Petry is actually asking for $5.5 which we don’t know. If its about the money then the Oilers are smart to walk away. If its about the Oilers not having interest then its just dumb. I have to assume its Petry’s camp being unreasonable here though. You would have to think the Oilers would have signed Petry’s camp to something longer term and fair cap hit even if they planned to trade him down the road.

    I thought McT gave a pretty good indication of the negotiations in his interview about them.

    1. He thought Petry had played well, but not well enough to justify a long term deal at the money he was asking for. (presumably $5M or above) I assume this was at least partially because McT wasn’t convinced he had much more upside.

    2. So McT offered him less, assuming there wasn’t much more upside. Perhaps 2nd pairing money, whatever that would be (likely at least $4M, no more than $5).

    3. Petry figured that he had more upside than that and said he’d take a 1 year deal to prove he does. This was in hopes that he could reach the next level next year and then sign for the higher dollar amount.

    4. McT figured this was reasonable and they signed the 1 year contract. He knew he was risking “losing the asset”, as he explicitly said, but he implied that this was more of an outside possibility than a likelihood. He never gave the sense that Petry wanted out or that there was animosity in the negotiations. He also implied that both sides intended to do their best to come to a reasonable contract next year based on Petry’s play.

    I conclude:

    LT is being a little too chicken little about Petry’s future. Petry’s 1 year contract is not an indication he wants out at the end of the year nor that management undervalues him and will end up losing him. Rather, it means that Petry thinks he has a higher level and can earn more long term than he so far has proven to deserve. There is risk involved for both sides, but they both think they can come to a reasonable agreement next year based on how much Petry improves.

  77. wheatnoil says:

    Lowetide: Ha! No, I’m quite happy where I am, thanks. The Oilers are (imo) doing plenty right, so good days should be on the way for this fan. If they do that, I’ll be paid in full.

    Until they trade Yakupov for pennies on the dollar and deal Petry at the deadline for a 3rd. THEN we’ll see a whole new side of LT. They’ll have to recast his role to be less Morgan Freeman and more Denzel Washington.

  78. Lois Lowe says:

    Lowetide:
    If we’re giving credit for Dellow’s hiring, and I have no inside info, it might not be a bad idea to tip one’s hat to the fellow down the dial.

    That was my first thought too, Stauffer certainly puts a lot of stock in Tyler’s opinion and may not have the ear of management but knows they are listening to the things he says.

  79. Lois Lowe says:

    Woodguy: Whenever I think of you a tall thin African american is the first thing that comes to mind.

    Morgan Freeman on helium sounds a little like LT.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU8ps6okoJ4

  80. blainer says:

    Wow .. I have to say most of the bloggers are making Petry sound like he is Shea Weber.. I think he is a decent player but is not the player most are saying he is. The Oilers were happy to sign him to a one year deal as they have to make room for both the roster and the cap. I am quite happy with the one year unless he really does turn into Weber but otherwise we have a deep pool of defensemen pushing for spots.. a 2 two deal at possibly 5.5 mil is too risky to take on for next years cap. Not saying I don’t like Petry .. he is a great skater and a decent number 4 defenseman.

  81. Big Dan says:

    Lowetide, why do you love Petry so much?

    His market value is $4.5M. Stralman is better than Petry.

    If he is seriously asking for over $5.5M (or is that just as fans making stuff up)… deal his rights for a pick in the summer after the playoffs. Or maybe he’ll resign for an equitable price. No use rushing – I’m sure MacT has a plan (unlike Tambo). The divide between his asking price and what the Oilers are willing to pay must be wide and that’s fine.

    He’s a good top four on any team but we can’t pay a 20-point guy crazy money. Poor cap management.

    I hope that MacT’s plan is:
    (a) If Schultz explodes this year and becomes the D we all dreamt of when he signed.. then bied adieu to Petry. It sucks to let good players you developed go, but sometimes you have to in a cap world.

    (b) If Schultz doesn’t show signs of improvement, MacT finds a way to bridge the gap and sign Petry.

  82. Bag of Pucks says:

    I understand the stress over Petry’s contract but in all honesty, I like MacT’s approach on the D contracts a LOT.

    With D, MacT is in the middle ground. He’s got some potential blue chips (Nurse, Klefbom, Schultz, Petry) that he projects as playing at the top of the order someday, a bunch of overpaid bandaids to keep the team competitive in the interim (Nikitin, Fayne, Ference) and the emerging group (Marincin, Aulie, Simpson, Musil, etc.) that he hopes (worst case scenario) will eventually replace the bandaids at a more cost effective price or (best case scenario) elevates to blue chip level (optimistic, but highly unlikely).,

    Until recently, the Oiler’s MO was to lock up as may of their question marks as possible to long-term deals and then proceed to gnashing of teeth when these prospects/suspects commenced to underperforming their contracts and reducing their marketability. This in addition to the extreme lack of competition for roster spots these comfort contracts created have been key contributing factors in our near decade of suck.

    With MacT, he’s overpaying on terms for those he has to (you don’t get Ference and Fayne without overpaying on term) but he’s keeping as many of these guys on a short leash as he can. Who’s going to emerge as the legitimate Top 4 D this year? For the first time in a long while, that will not be determined by the weight of untradeable contracts, but rather by the performance of the players themselves. What a concept! By midseason, MacT can see who’s put the bit between their teeth and he can renegotiate / extend accordingly. Those who’ve faltered become tradeable assets. And if Petry simply prices himself out of the market cos he wants to move on (in which case, f@*k him), then you get the benefit of him playing his ass off for 75% of this season to maximize his trade value.

    This fanbase has to get OVER this fear of not having every single roster player on long-term deals. Building incentive for performance into your org is a GOOD thing – particularly with the question mark players. For this very reason, I think it will be highly questionable if MacT signs Schultz to a longterm deal at this time (don’t discount the possibility, the Subban deal may have them worried).

    Remember guys like Muni, Huddy, Gator, Geoff Smith, etc. This team used to find unheralded D everywhere and pay them accordingly. Under Sather, they consistently had one of the most cost efficient blueline corps in the league. Somewhere along the line, suspect it was when a former D-man ascended to the GM chair, this team changed its philosophy in D procurement towards sourcing and overpaying the ‘big fish’ To be fair, it worked wonderfully well with Pronger. But this team needs to get back its roots. Create competition. Let the cream rise. When it does, then and only then, lock and load on a longterm deal.

    Petry isn’t there. Yes, he was the Oilers’ best D last year, but on a club with minimal competition. If he can retain those mins with the likes of Fayne, Nikitin, and a more seasoned Klef and Schultz nipping at his heels, then and only then, should MacT reach for the Batphone.

  83. Yeti says:

    Big Dan,

    I hear you, Big Dan, but if we ditch Petry because he’s asking for slightly too rich a contract, then what price are we going to end up paying for a replacement? We’ve counted out far too many pennies for Nikitin and that kind of overpayment is to be expected to bring UFAs into town.

    Now that Petry has a one-year deal, there’s no incentive for him to agree to a new contract before the end of the year. Then, even if he wants to stick around, he’ll be able to use other offers to push up his contract. That’s the problem here: the one year deal left the Oil with no leverage in a market in which they need every last bit of leverage possible to get players to come here.

  84. justDOit says:

    blainer,

    If you’re looking for a blogger who doesn’t like Petry, then may I suggest you go read the fascinating Richard Cloutier?

    From the witty title, ‘Petry Douche’, to his in-depth analysis of Petry, “He’s got a little too much Tom Gilbert going on with his hair and lack of physical play, but whatever…”, it’s a thrilling read. I can’t wait until Cloutier’s site goes dark, signalling that he’s been hired as a consultant to an NHL team.

  85. godot10 says:

    Ca$h-Money!:
    I like Petry.I do, however, find you make an interesting set of arguments here, namely that he is a good quality NHL dman, but also that he probably shouldn’t be on our first pairing…. but then you suggest he wants $5.5 million and the oilers don’t want to give it to him, and how that’s a horrible thing.

    I don’t want to lose the guy, but I also don’t want to overpay.Here’s a list of all the guys shown on capgeek making between $4.5million and under $6.0million playing NHL D.Looking at this list (some guys are clear overpays) but generally speaking I would put Petry at or near the bottom of this list.Still good company mind you, and obviously contracts signed several years ago are cheaper than those signed today.Still, Petry at $4.5 long term seems right.If he won’t budge off $5.5, and I can trade him for a roughly equal asset who might accept the appropriate pay (Boychuck extended at $4 million say) then I take it.

    Would I prefer to keep Petry AND pick up a comparable player like Boychuck, and extend Petry at the right amount?You bet.But at the end of the day RE has to apply to contracts as much as to point production.

    18.Burns, Brent » $5,760,000
    19.Carle, Matt »$5,750,000
    20.Enstrom, Tobias »$5,750,000
    21.Niskanen, Matt » $5,750,000
    22.Yandle, Keith »$5,500,000
    23.Pietrangelo, Alex »$5,500,000
    24.Staal, Marc »$5,450,000
    25.Martin, Paul »$5,000,000
    26.Johnson, Jack »$5,000,000
    27.Seabrook, Brent »$5,000,000
    28.Wisniewski, James »$5,000,000
    29.Myers, Tyler »$5,000,000
    30.Wideman, Dennis »$5,000,000
    31.Garrison, Jason »$5,000,000
    32.Gonchar, Sergei »$5,000,000
    33.Bouwmeester, Jay »$5,000,000
    34.Goligoski, Alex »$4,800,000
    35.Tyutin, Fedor »$4,750,000
    36.Coburn, Braydon »$4,500,000
    37.Nikitin, Nikita »$4,500,000
    38.Boyle, Dan »$4,500,000
    39.Stralman, Anton »$4,500,000

    P.S. boy does Nikitin jump out at you there.Cost of bringing over hired help admitedly… but damn.

    Comparables: (comparables should be recently signed contracts, not a list of ancient signings)

    Jake Gardiner: 4RFA x $3.5 + 1UFA x $6 million = 5 x $4 (his contract)
    Victor Hedman 4RFA x $3.5 + 1UFA x $6 million = 5 x $4 (his contract)
    Dmitri Kulikov: 2RFA x $3.5 + 1UFA x $6 million = 3 x $4.33 (his contract)

    Kevin Shattenkirk 4RFA x $4.25 (his contract)

    Nikitin #4-#5 D 2UFA years x $4.5 million

    Matt Niskanen 7UFA x $5.75
    Dan Girard 6UFA x $5.5
    Ryan McDonagh 4RFA x $3.75 + 2UFA x $6.6 million = 6 x $4.7
    Justin Faulk 4RFA x $3.75 + 2UFA x $7 million = 6 x $4.83
    Zac Bogosian 2RFA x $3.5 +5UFA x $5.8 million = 7 x $5.14

    ================
    i.e. RFA years go for $3.5 million on the low end to $4.25 on the high end.
    i.e. UFA years go for $5.5 million on the low end to $7 on the high end.

    Jeff Petry (low end numbers) 1RFA x $3.5 + 3UFA x $5.5 = 4 x $5

    That is the worst contract he would contemplate signing with duration. 4 x $5.25 might have gotten it done.
    MacT’s bonehead move of the summer. Hiring Eakins and trading Horcoff were last year boneheads. Not signing Petry is this years.
    Petry at 4 x $5.25 would have been a tradeable contract. There was little risk offering it.
    Not getting Schultz done to 5 x $4-$4.25 will be similarly boneheaded. (4RFA x $3.5 + 1UFA x $6 million, i.e. Jake Gardiner comp).

    Prediction: Petry will be getting 4 x $6 million next summer plus/minus $300K, although Detroit might get him for $5.5 million per.

  86. godot10 says:

    spoiler:
    I am speculating here, but I would say the one obviously* nice thing about the one year contract is that it seems to me it is unlikely Petry is the piece to be moved prior to the season or early in the season for Center help.There’s a lot of risk for the other party to also lose him to FA after the year is done. I’m thinking it would have to be a trade for a C who is also on an expiring contract for Petry to be moved prior to the deadline.

    *There may be some unobvious nice things we are unaware of or… there might not be.

    Petry and Lander for Coburn and a centre before the start of the season saves the Flyers a hell of a lot of cap room. A competent defensemen on a cheap contract is valuable to Philly, especially with the Pronger and Timonen problmes. The Flyers, if they like him, would pay him what he is worth, something that the Lowe and MacT won’t do.

  87. godot10 says:

    Soup Fascist:
    One question.A lot of people have Petry as trade bait at the deadline primarily, due to his expiring contract.IF the Oilers have even a SNIFF of the playoffs at the deadline how do you even begin to spin trading, at worst, a top 4 D-man in their line up for a draft pick?

    I can assure you that you have nothing to worry about. By Christmas, the only thing we and the Oilers will be sniffing are the entrails of McDavid’s and Eichel’s advanced stats.

    The Oilers can improve a great deal, by 15 points, and still be out of the playoff race by Christmas, and still be only 12th place in the West. Christmas would be a great improvement over last season, which was Halloween.

  88. G Money says:

    godot10: Petry at 4 x $5.25 would have been a tradeable contract. There was little risk offering it.

    How do you know it wasn’t offered? How do you know Petry isn’t already asking for $6M (which in no way shape or form is he worth)?

    godot10: Prediction: Petry will be getting 4 x $6 million next summer plus/minus $300K, although Detroit might get him for $5.5 million per.

    Unless Petry rips it up this coming season, I doubt there is a team in the league that will offer Petry anywhere close to $6M. Not even remotely. I expect that is part of MacT’s strategy. If Petry steps up in such a big way that he can justify a big money contract – MacT will offer it. If he doesn’t, if he keeps playing the way he does (which is the best D last year on the Oilers but a solid second pairing D on a good team), the market will make it clear to Petry that his expectations are way way too high.

    And of course, I have no doubt when that happens, you will declare that you were right and that Petry, his agent, MacT, and the 29 other teams in the league were wrong.

  89. bucknuck says:

    I really hope you are wrong, because I really like Petry’s game. Hey, with Dellow on the Oilers staff will that make it more likely that Petry is seen as having value?

  90. blainer says:

    justDOit,

    If you re read my post I said… It’s not that I don’t like Petry.. he is a great skater and a good number four defensemen. I just don’t think he is worth the risk and we end up stuck like we almost did with Smid’s contract. We have a lot of defenceman coming and will need that money. It is my opinion that 5.5 mil is too much for a number 4 defencemen. Next years defense is Nurse Fayne.. Nikitan Marincin …Klefbom xxx … I expect Klefbom back up by mid year and then ready for next year. Again if Petry lights it up this year ..well we try to sign him. JMO.

  91. bendelson says:

    Petry? The way I see it, MacT has until the deadline to find a way to turn this mess into something positive. Good luck.

    Did someone mention Scarlett Johansson?

    I just watched Under the Skin the other day.

    WHOA

    That was more than I was expecting…

  92. godot10 says:

    G Money: How do you know it wasn’t offered?How do you know Petry isn’t already asking for $6M (which in no way shape or form is he worth)?

    Unless Petry rips it up this coming season, I doubt there is a team in the league that will offer Petry anywhere close to $6M.Not even remotely.I expect that is part of MacT’s strategy.If Petry steps up in such a big way that he can justify a big money contract – MacT will offer it.If he doesn’t, if he keeps playing the way he does (which is the best D last year on the Oilers but a solid second pairing D on a good team), the market will make it clear to Petry that his expectations are way way too high.

    And of course, I have no doubt when that happens, you will declare that you were right and that Petry, his agent, MacT, and the 29 other teams in the league were wrong.

    Low-end 30-somthing 2nd pairing guys (Nikitin) get $4.5 million.

    The “new” salary scale for UFA years for veteran defensemen (27-33)

    1st pairing $6.5 million and up
    2nd pairing $4.5 – $6.5 million
    3rd pairing $3.5 -$4.5 million.

    Petry is arguably a #3D, and is a right shot. I think that puts him in the $6 million dollar ballpark next year, unless he signs for less in Detroit to play at home.

  93. blainer says:

    godot10,

    I will agree with you on this and actually think some Nikitin’s money would have been better spent on Petry. Still it’s a risk for both parties and really hope he has an excellent year and we are rejoicing about the 52 million dollar contract he just signed.

  94. G Money says:

    godot10,

    So what you’re saying is, MacT’s “bonehead move” is refusing to sign an overvalued contract for Petry this summer instead of waiting to see if he actually deserves it, in which case he’d be paying market anyway, a delta of which will be measured in hundreds of thousands of dollars?

    Wow, you’re right, what a catastrophe.

  95. VanOil says:

    “blaming the player for management’s established stupidity. Get good players, keep good players”
    I was tempted to quote this 8 times for truthfulness.

    Bruces recent COH piece http://goo.gl/ej9vWs follows the same thought process as my recent comment http://goo.gl/2OXsPh. Of course it is better written and researched. The part of the research I was most impressed with was Nail speaking of his off ice relationship with Eakins.

    All the positivity though was starting to rot my teeth, so it is nice to stop by here today and realize the Oilers are still a utter disaster who are going to trade there best defenseman out of town half way through the season.

  96. Soup Fascist says:

    godot10,

    godot10: I can assure you that you have nothing to worry about.By Christmas, the only thing we and the Oilers will be sniffing are the entrails of McDavid’s and Eichel’s advanced stats.

    The Oilers can improve a great deal, by 15 points, and still be out of the playoff race by Christmas, and still be only 12th place in the West. Christmas would be a great improvement over last season, which was Halloween.

    Would you not have said the same thing about the Avs a year ago? They started the year pencilled in with the rest of the dregs in the west. They got overachieving play from a group of d-men that were panned significantly at the beginning of the season and some unexpectedly outstanding goaltending.

    I agree the likelihood is that the writing could very well be on the wall prior to the trade deadline, as well. However things tend to change fairly quickly. I think the Avs and Sharks could both retreat a bit from the “super seven” group of teams inj the west everyone has given a spot to and voila, there are a bunch of teams in the hunt for 2 or 3 spots, understanding the elite in the division are significantly better.

    Even if they are within single digits of a playoff spot at the deadline, they cannot trade Petry.

  97. book¡je says:

    I’m going with “Tyler’s going to fix everything wrong with the Oilers and make them a contender” until at least early November.

    Without blind optimism, I could never be an Oiler fan.

  98. Bag of Pucks says:

    Soup Fascist:
    godot10,

    Even if they are within single digits of a playoff spot at the deadline, they cannot trade Petry.

    This org once traded Ryan Smyth hours before they hung Messier’s jersey in the rafters.

    They CAN trade Jeff Petry at the deadline.

    Gord help us if they ever decide to put Joey Moss on the block.

  99. Bar_Qu says:

    book¡je:
    I’m going with “Tyler’s going to fix everything wrong with the Oilers and make them a contender” until at least early November.

    Without blind optimism, I could never be an Oiler fan.

    Blind optimism and a selective memory

  100. Numenius says:

    oliveoilers: LOL, you’re not being a dink.However the inquisiton of the middle agesdidn’t need education…….because NOBODY EXPECTS THE (SPANISH) INQUISITION!

    This leads to some interesting thoughts:There are still Flat Earth theorists out there, same as creationists.Some of these people are very educated.That what they are educated in is total dog wank is a matter for the pedants of grammar to argue.Does ‘Educated’ equal ‘Knowledgable’ equal ‘Correct’?

    Haha. Strictly speaking, I think “educated” = “knowledgeable” = “correct” but usually educated refers to someone having gone through a formal educational system, in which case “knowledge” doesn’t necessarily follow. Exhibit A: high school graduates these days

    But I have to take issue with your implied equivalence between creationists and Flat earthers. Even in terms of formal education, they’re not on the same level. You won’t find a PhD science graduate who believes in a flat earth, but you’ll find many of them who are creationists of some form (young-earth or old-earth). I’m not one of these myself, but I know people who are and they’re actually quite intelligent and reasonable! Many of them, moreover, make actual contributions to science in other ways, meaning that it doesn’t affect their rationality as much as one would think. Indeed, they’re typically much less fanatical than other “more enlightened” PhDers who, while deriding creationism as the utmost extreme of absurdity, end up being Truthers, radical feminists, radical Marxists, or Jihadist apologists. I’m getting a little carried away here, but you get my point I think!

  101. Woodguy says:

    Oilers up their game in terms of in-game presentation and hired award winning Director of Game Presentation Rich Meyers from Grand Rapids:

    http://www.mlive.com/griffins/index.ssf/2014/08/rich_meyers_who_created_in-gam.html

    Nice to see they are doing this.

    Its been awful for years.

  102. VanOil says:

    Woodguy,

    Is he the new Rexall DJ? Wow everything is going to be alright.

  103. book¡je says:

    Bar_Qu: Blind optimism and a selective memory

    Selective memory is what allows me to see Justin Schultz as the next Paul Coffey.

  104. Bag of Pucks says:

    One aspect of the fan experience that I think the Oilers could improve is leveraging social media to organically crowd source some of the more creative fan expression that exists out there.

    A perfect example of what I mean is the guys last year who dressed up as ‘Jagr through the years’ or even the Green Men in Van.

    We have a lot of hockey nuts in this city. The Oilers can easily create more avenues and exposure for that type of fan expression. Things like the Octane don’t work. Things like a Mark Messier lookalike contest or best fan painted goalie mask do imo.

    Or how about a ‘Smytty Mullet’ night? First 500 mullets through the door get a collector’s Smytty bobblehead complete w/flow.

  105. Bag of Pucks says:

    book¡je: Selective memory is what allows me to see Justin Schultz as the next Paul Coffey.

    Sure you’re not confusing selective memory with beer googles?

  106. G Money says:

    G Money: So I took him up on his challenge, and the next night I took notes (during the first period only, it’s pretty intensive) on every single Petry touch of the puck or play made (or even every shift during which I noticed Petry was out but where he didn’t impact the play, which was almost never).
    The results were what you’d expect.

    For those who care to validate such things, I found the thread entry where I posted my PetryVision(tm) results:

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2014/04/kings-at-oilers-g81-13-14.html/comment-page-2#comment-309697

  107. Lois Lowe says:

    I really hope they rid us of the Octane girls. It’s so low brow, gendered, and unnecessary.

  108. HeavySig says:

    Woodguy,

    Wasn’t LT’s nickname in high school “Roots?”

  109. Big Dan says:

    Yeti:
    Big Dan,

    I hear you, Big Dan, but if we ditch Petry because he’s asking for slightly too rich a contract, then what price are we going to end up paying for a replacement? We’ve counted out far too many pennies for Nikitin and that kind of overpayment is to be expected to bring UFAs into town.

    Now that Petry has a one-year deal, there’s no incentive for him to agree to a new contract before the end of the year. Then, even if he wants to stick around, he’ll be able to use other offers to push up his contract. That’s the problem here: the one year deal left the Oil with no leverage in a market in which they need every last bit of leverage possible to get players to come here.

    Yeti, do you think Colorado wanted to part with Paul Stastny? In a cap world, teams have to make tough calls.

    The Oilers have rushed kids in the past and appear to be doing so again with Draisaitl (I disagree; I think he’s being put in a position to succeed with soft 3rd line minutes to start).

    And it looks like they may do it again by ushering out Petry for a Klefbom/Nurse. But so be it. Everybody’s doing it (recycling ok players for kids) – even Chicago. Yeah it sucks to lose a quality top four D, but we have to open the door to a couple of our kids if they prove to be ready.

    I’m not gnashing my teeth about Petry. I think he’s grossly overrated by Lowetide. If he is willing to take $4.25M long-term, I’d keep him. If he is asking for the moon, I’d rather spend our scarce cap dollars elsewhere.

    Much like Ference’s signing spelled the end of Smid, Fayne’s signing will spell the end of Petry (unless Schultz face plants). I have a feeling – no logic behind it – that Schultz will turn it around nicely this year.

  110. Bruce McCurdy says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    I foresee a new narrative on the Oilogosphere: “What is Dellow thinking/saying/doing about this?”

    #WWDD? :)

  111. Bruce McCurdy says:

    VanOil: Bruces recent COH piece http://goo.gl/ej9vWs follows the same thought process as my recent comment http://goo.gl/2OXsPh.

    Good stuff, there were a couple of us on the same page it seems. Ryan Batty also wrote a piece at C&B along somewhat similar lines, & when you read a glowing review at C&B you come to realize something must be actually changing.

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