RE 14-15 MATT HENDRICKS: CAREY

Matt Hendricks took on a tough job and performed well in the role. He’s a veteran player who can handle himself and play the game—that has value. Concerns over foot speed and salary cap hit remain, but the fact of it is this: Matt Hendricks filled a role for the Edmonton Oilers.

MATT HENDRICKS 13-14

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.62 (13th among regular forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: nil
  • Qual Comp: 10th toughest competition among regulars (third-fourth line)
  • Qual Team: 12th best competition among regulars (fourth line)
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 40.8
  • Corsi for 5×5 % REL: -2.7
  • Zone Start: 16.2% (toughest on the team among regular forwards)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 49/6.1% (10th among F’s >45 or more shots)
  • Boxcars: 33, 3-0-3

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THE VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER (CORSI REL, INCLUDES ENTIRE HENDRICKS SEASON)

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  1. You didn’t like the trade. I said “Hendricks is a player we’ve discussed before, he brings clarity to the roster (Lander is probably gone, either back to Europe or to another team) and adds a physical element many felt the team needed, but he does not add that element on the skill lines.”
  2. Wrong on all counts! We’ll see. Harder to find a role for Lander now, but there could be a spot on the 4line, or maybe Gordon plays three line and we see Lander-Hendricks on the 4line.
  3. Hendricks had a tough job in Edmonton. Insane zone start, that jumps right out at you. Hendricks played punishing minutes in that area. He and Boyd Gordon really did play specialty minutes, the Malhotra minutes, for Edmonton.
  4. So the Gordon-Hendricks duo in that role makes sense? Yes. The question becomes who is the third guy. Ideally, you want a player making under one million to fill that third role, because the two veterans are expensive for 4line duty.
  5. But this isn’t traditional 4line. Sure, but you’re not going to get 20 goals out of this unit, so spending $7 million on it looks unwise from here.
  6. Any internal candidates? Lots. I can see Lander, Pitlick or Joensuu from the group that played in Edmonton this season. Lander’s skill set might be ideal for this role, he’s not a scorer but can move the puck and has defensive acumen. Plus, he can penalty kill.
  7. Anyone on the farm? Sure, although they all probably need more seasoning. Steve Pinizzotto, the new Finn Pakarinen, eventually Ewanyk could be a solution but that’s miles away. The good thing about this job is you don’t need offense, and the Oilers have those guys in numbers.
  8. They’re hogging them! Ha, yeah not fair. All the non-scoring forwards are in Edmonton’s stable!
  9. Back to Hendricks. He didn’t score. At all. Well, the zone starts make that difficult and Hendricks’ career high in goals (NHL) is nine. Expecting offense under any circumstances is unwise.
  10. You like him a little better now? I like the way they used him, and believe the Oilers can get significant value from the player (and the contract) if this 4line idea takes root and thrives.
  11. Is there anything you don’t like about Hendricks? He takes too many dumb penalties, and despite plenty of fights (6 in Edmonton) isn’t recognized as being qualified for the enforcer role. He’s also good on the draw, but they rarely use him. Plus he’s making too much money, I think that’s why they’ll eventually trade Hendricks—he makes too much for the role.
  12. What do you like about Hendricks? He begins to address the wicked lack of two-way wingers on this team. This has been a problem forever, and Hendricks does have some ability in this area.
  13. So, you like him as a replacement for Jones? He isn’t replacing Jones.
  14. Ryan Jones in that 3-4 line role? Ryan Jones and Matt Hendricks are not similar players and do not fill similar roles. In any way.
  15. You are okay with his Corsi? Sure, based on zone start. You’d like that number to be closer to 50, or even 45, but as the team improves these depth numbers should improve.
  16. Ideally, what role would you like Hendricks to fill? Pisani’s, but he isn’t that kind of player.
  17. What kind? Intelligent two-way winger who can score 15 goals.
  18. Where is that player coming from? Probably the farm. That’s where Pisani came from.
  19. Is there anyone on the farm now? I had hoped for Pitlick, but he isn’t going to bring the 15 goals.
  20. What about Khaira or Yakimov or Moroz? That’s this year’s new group, none are ideal.
  21. Anyone still in junior? Greg Chase might fill that role down the line, maybe Jackson Houck.
  22. Or they could trade for one. Or sign Daniel Winnik.
  23. Not so good? Well, maybe Gazdic figures it out or Joensuu.
  24. It’s a really tough thing to do. Guess so.
  25. Rare thing! Well, not really. Taylor Hall is a rare thing. Checking winger with 15-goal skill is a prevalent thing, but Edmonton has forgotten where to look.
  26. You’re frustrated by this? The hard part is procurement of Hall’s, Eberle’s, Nuge’s, Yak’s. The easy part, the part MacT was so good at, was finding Pisani’s. Where did that go? Maybe it’s Pitlick after all.
  27. Why this song? I love the talk intro on this version, man that’s some wonderful story telling. And the line ‘you’re a mean old daddy’ works for Hendricks.
  28. No deep meaning? Nope. Great song, nice guitar and another lovely melody.

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73 Responses to "RE 14-15 MATT HENDRICKS: CAREY"

  1. Jordan says:

    Thought of the day:

    What if the Oilers have decided that Hendricks is 4C?

  2. Shredder says:

    Meh

  3. borisnikov says:

    Jordan:
    Thought of the day:

    What if the Oilers have decided that Hendricks is 4C?

    They played Smyth there and didn’t have a history of playing C so…
    If the season goes awry and injuries hit (which they will), I wouldn’t bet against it.

    **edit** Hendricks has played C in the past, correct?

  4. Eastern Oil says:

    “26. You’re frustrated by this? The hard part is procurement of Hall’s, Eberle’s, Nuge’s, Yak’s. The easy part, the part MacT was so good at, was finding Pisani’s. Where did that go? Maybe it’s Pitlick after all.”

    Many things have frustrated me as an Oilers fan over the years but this aspect really grinds my gears (yeah, I said it). I realize that finding diamonds in a coal pile can be a tough thing, but good teams seem to be able to do it year in and year out.

    Through the draft, and a nice trade (miss Magnus but love me some Perron) we have some very nice talent but as we see every playoffs, depth, defensive chops and secondary scoring is extremely important.

    I cannot convey what I mean as well as others on this site, but the most galling instance of not realizing a need and solving it was the centre debacle under Tambellini. Guys were popping up on waivers as our centres went down to injury, and the Oil thought it was best to wait under they could spend a 4th round pick on Smithson.

    Caveat: MacT is very different from Tambo, and here’s hoping that the winds continue to change.

  5. borisnikov says:

    How many fourth lines take the bigger share of the goal differential while they are on the ice? Is it something that we can reasonably expect out of this year’s coming version?

    If they have Gordon, Hendricks and Lander/Gazdic/Pitlick as a common unit I have a hard time believing it will have even a remote chance of happening. Double shifting Hall, Perron and Eberle there occasionally may help.

  6. Hammers says:

    That’s why Hendricks stays his multi purpose . Put Lander with him & Joensuu . Still expecting Gordon / Purcell / Pouliot on 3rd line

  7. Surly says:

    I dislike the shootout but it is an important part of the game (ask the Devils). Hendricks provides value in that regard too.

  8. nycoil says:

    22. Or they could trade for one. Or sign Daniel Winnik.
    -Winnik already signed with Toronto for 1 year, $1.3MM four days ago. Seems like the Oilers didn’t bother to go after him.

    12. What do you like about Hendricks? He begins to address the wicked lack of two-way wingers on this team. This has been a problem forever, and Hendricks does have some ability in this area.
    -If two goals in 50-some-odd games counts as beginning to address the lack of two-way wingers, I don’t know what to say to that. Isn’t he one way? And we’d be okay with that if that one way can keep the puck out of the net when they’re on the ice in that “shutdown” role. I’m expecting 15-20 goals total from Gordon, Hendricks, Lander, Pitlick, Joensuu, Pinizotto, Gazdic, and everyone else that gets a look at 4th line time. No more.

  9. OF17 says:

    I disagree about Hendricks not replacing Jones. You don’t have to be a similar player to play a similar spot in the lineup. Call it a change in the philosophy of team composition, but swap Hendricks for Jones on this team and they still play in the same spot. That, to me, is replacing a player with another.

  10. OF17 says:

    Hammers:
    That’s why Hendricks stays his multi purpose . Put Lander with him &Joensuu . Still expecting Gordon / Purcell / Pouliot on 3rd line

    So that leaves us with

    Hall-Nugent Hopkins-Eberle
    Perron-Draisaitl-Yakupov
    Pouliot-Gordon-Purcell
    Hendricks-Lander-Joensuu

    Can’t see Arcobello losing his spot to Lander or Joensuu, and I can’t see them putting Pouliot and Purcell with Gordon. That’s putting a lot of depth scoring options with a center who can’t play O. Who knows though.

  11. barry.moore23 says:

    LT,

    Re; prior thread. Sorry I meant ‘make it’ as in physically. I know he’s got the talent and for sure the smarts, I just worry about the night after night rigors of the NHL. Thanks. B

  12. Jordan says:

    OF17: So that leaves us with

    Hall-Nugent Hopkins-Eberle
    Perron-Draisaitl-Yakupov
    Pouliot-Gordon-Purcell
    Hendricks-Lander-Joensuu

    That presumes that Action Saxon stays with the team. I’m still not convinced that happens. I know there’s a lot of talk about him sticking, but I’m not sold on it. Not only because the player may be better served to go back to Junior, but also because there’s questions about his skating. Speed and movement on the ice is only getting more important in the NHL. If his skating isn’t there, I don’t see how you can play him on the team period, without sinking the team. Size and offense are nice, but it’s hard to do much else if you can’t keep up – especially considering the defensive responsibilities of centre. No one ever talks about it with Gagner, but how much did his lack of speed affect his limited effectiveness in the D zone?

    Personally, I greatly prefer:

    Hall-Nugent Hopkins-Eberle
    Pouliot-Arcobello/Draisaitl-Purcell
    Perron-Gordon-Yakupov
    Hendricks-Lander-Joensuu/Pitlick

    Don’t mess with the HEN when it’s laying golden eggs. Put the Corgi boys together and let them run. Give Davey-boy and Yak-city a good mentor centor who can let them fly the zone and cover their agression with smart positioning. And let the 4th line do what it can to stem the tide in the defensive end, but keep them away from 1st line opp.

    Seems pretty straight forwards to me. Two syllable word that rhymes with vigilance and starts with B…

  13. Henry says:

    16.Ideally, what role would you like Hendricks to fill? Pisani’s, but he isn’t that kind of player.
    17.What kind? Intelligent two-way winger who can score 15 goals.
    18.Where is that player coming from? Probably the farm. That’s where Pisani came from.

    MPS is a two way player that can score 15 goals. He makes $1.2M.

    St. Louis still has to sign Jaden Schwartz and just signed Mueller. They have more good forwards than spots and it looks like Hitch doesn’t like Magnus that much.

  14. JohnnyOilfan says:

    LT, looking like the PK/Habs arbitration negotiations not going well. If they aren’t able to come to a deal and the arbitrator awards subban a 1 year deal. What Oilers assets would you be willing to part with in a trade for Subban? Yak, Petry and pick/prospect?

  15. Bag of Pucks says:

    Matt Hendricks is a ‘glue’ guy. He’s a committed professional that works his tail off, and is exactly the kind of player I don’t mind the Oilers overpaying if they have to.

    The lessons the kid core learn from a player like this is invaluable. Stan Weir, Lee Fogolin, Colin Campbell redux.

    Whether you’re in the dressing room or on the bench, you love a guy like this. If Anton Lander wants his job, he needs to take it.

    Good song btw LT, definitely wasn’t familiar with that one.

  16. digdeepnbleedblue says:

    This poor bastard is seriously unappreciated.

    Don’t trade…

    You need cats like this. Think team. Everyone has a role to play. Hendricks ain’t got the flash and dash, but someone’s gotta shovel the shit. And, this cat does it with a smile on.

    Give him a letter.

  17. GATO BANDIDO says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Matt Hendricks is a ‘glue’ guy. He’s a committed professional that works his tail off, and is exactly the kind of player I don’t mind the Oilers overpaying if they have to.

    The lessons the kid core learn from a player like this is invaluable. Stan Weir, Lee Fogolin, Colin Campbell redux.

    Whether you’re in the dressing room or on the bench, you love a guy like this. If Anton Lander wants his job, he needs to take it.

    Exactly. The dreaded unquantifiable “intangibles” are real with Hendricks. Though I think there’s room for both him and Lander this season.

    My all-time favorite Joni song! Let’s have another round for the bright red devil that keeps me cheering for this team.

  18. Kirby says:

    This is more in relation to some comments made in the Yakimov Thread. Stole these links from the prospect discussion on HFBoards.

    http://instagram.com/p/rDd45oCztC/
    *Recent pic of Yakimov, Drai, and Yakupov in Edmonton

    http://instagram.com/p/amodv4B8bv/?modal=true
    *Apparently, this was about 14 months ago just as he was turning 19

    Just by seeing these (and yes, you can’t always judge a book by its cover), I really don’t think that strength is going to be an issue with Yakimov. Combined with the fact that like Leon, Yakimov has also dedicated his entire summer to training with the Oilers staff in Edmonton, strength really doesn’t strike me as a concern. Also, for all the talk about how Leon has good size, he looks normal (almost small) standing beside Yakimov.

  19. Bag of Pucks says:

    GATO BANDIDO: Exactly. The dreaded unquantifiable “intangibles” are real with Hendricks. Though I think there’s room for both him and Lander this season.

    If he can stay healthy, I’m picking Pitlick to beat out Lander and Joensu for that 4th line roster spot in TC. Of the 3, he’s the only one who’s ever shown flashes of being an actual player at the NHL level – albeit in an extremely small sample size. It probably doesn’t hurt as well that Eakins likes what he’s seen of him in the past.

    I think Lander eventually finds his way onto the squad next season (I like his intangibles too), but only as an injury call-up or possible replacement for Arco if he doesn’t deliver offense in a feature role. Lander has shown me nothing in the bigs thus far. I like that he’s a bit of a pest, but he seems to really ‘follow’ the puck as opposed to anticipating the play. This is the kind of thing that can get sorted in the A, so hopefully he’ll have a strong showing in training camp.

  20. justDOit says:

    Kirby,

    Yikes – that recent pic of Yakimov is impressive. He’s making Draisaitl look meager by perspective.

  21. Bag of Pucks says:

    digdeepnbleedblue:

    You need cats like this. Think team. Everyone has a role to play. Hendricks ain’t got the flash and dash, but someone’s gotta shovel the shit. And, this cat does it with a smile on.

    Give him a letter.

    His postgame appearance on HNIC (after a brutal loss if my memory’s accurate) had ‘letter’ written all over it.

    When the chips are down, this is one guy you know will never resort to pointing fingers. That’s golden.

    Actually, forget Weir, Fogolin and Campbell. Hendricks is the reincarnation of the Lummer! : )

  22. Henry says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    I quite agree. The Oilers lost something when Horc didn’t start the year. The team looked better for the most part once Hendricks came around. Scrivins added to that too, of course. 23 seems like a stabilizing influence, a hard worker and a real pro.

  23. digdeepnbleedblue says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Nice, dude!

    He’s mint. That’s a for sure. Solid.

    Throw some blue paint on him, hand him a sword and I’d bet he would lead the charge.

  24. Numenius says:

    Henry,

    I agree too. When things were bad, as they often were, Hendricks didn’t let it get to him and played as hard as ever. This was and will be an excellent example for the rest of the team. If everyone learns to play like that (i.e. never demoralized), it will be what makes this team move from good to great. Hendricks is key for this to happen.

  25. Braden88 says:

    Henry,

    to add to that point, Since the Hendricks acquisition, this team is starting to look more shark eyed then wide eyed. In the past the answer to hard questions was usually along the lines of”we need to figure it out”. now with people like Hendy and Scrivens we are hearing more of “We know what we need to do”.

    i cant wait to see this team be 1 year more mature plus the addition of Purcell, Pouliot, Fayne, Nikitin, etc. should be a team hungry to attack the puck, rather that make the easy open ice plays.

  26. Frank The Dog says:

    Hammers:
    That’s why Hendricks stays his multi purpose . Put Lander with him &Joensuu . Still expecting Gordon / Purcell / Pouliot on 3rd line

    You are aware of course that Joensuu is a left shooting LW.

  27. Lois Lowe says:

    Can we please avoid shortening players’ last names like ‘Lummer’ and ‘Hendy’? We’re not NHL players and we have the time to write their names in full.

  28. Big Dan says:

    REPLY

    This poor bastard is seriously unappreciated.
    Don’t trade…

    You need cats like this. Think team. Everyone has a role to play. Hendricks ain’t got the flash and dash, but someone’s gotta shovel the shit. And, this cat does it with a smile on.

    Give him a letter.

    Hell ya! I agree entirely. Love the positive quotes about Hendricks on this thread. Yeah, he’s $0.5M overpaid – big deal. The Oilers badly needed guys like this.

    Give him the A and keep his leadership, hard work, and positive attitude as long as possible. Hendricks is the definition of what you want from a 4th liner/ role player.

    I loved the trade then – getting rid of Dubnyk – and I will love it 3 years from now. Keep Hendricks and his crazy shooting percentage on shootouts, weird fighting style, and smile on the bench.

  29. Braden88 says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Can we please avoid shortening players’ last names like ‘Lummer’ and ‘Hendy’? We’re not NHL players and we have the time to write their names in full.

    Terribly sorry L L

  30. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Can we please avoid shortening players’ last names like ‘Lummer’ and ‘Hendy’? We’re not NHL players and we have the time to write their names in full.

    Lummer is one of the most recognizable and beloved nicknames in Oilers history – particularly for older generation fans. Sorry if it’s a little before your time.

    So, in summary, I guess the answer to your question is….no.

  31. OilLeak says:

    Hendricks:

    I don’t like the player or the contract, I believe Gordon(and Hemsky to a lesser extent) were carrying Hendricks the whole season. Hendricks is not an NHL player on a good team at should be a utility forward at best on this team.

    I’m not sure how players like Hendricks get 4 year contracts when better players like Winnik and Stempniak are had for less.

  32. RexLibris says:

    Hendricks has 3 years left at $1.85 million.

    The cap is supposed to go up significantly next year, but likely stall in the following year.

    For the sake of argument, let’s pretend that it goes up by $6 million next June and only $2 million the spring afterwards. That would take the NHL cap to $77 million.

    By that time Hendricks will have one year remaining on his contract and (oh please dear Hockey Gods let it be so) the Oilers will have no shortage of younger players ready to fill Hendricks’ ice time on cheaper contracts and with more capable hands.

    If everything above is more or less within a reasonable degree of probability, then it would seem than the ideal time to trade Matt Hendricks would be this coming off-season when the cap goes up. If there is no interest then I think we will be looking at a buyout the following year.

    Put it another way, if Matt Hendricks is still on the roster in 2016-2017 then one of two things will have happened: the rebuild will be a complete and utter disaster due to an inability to develop complementary players internally, or, Matt Hendricks will have reinvented himself as a late-stage Dave Andreychuk.

  33. justDOit says:

    Lois Lowe,

    To be fair, some people are posting comments from their mobile, and others are posting from work where they don’t necessarily have a lot of time. If you then factor in the predominant personality in comment sections of sports blogs, you can further understand why adherence to grammar is sometimes secondary to the message they’re trying to get across.

    Nicknames like MacT, Hemmer, and Horcs have been used quite frequently in the past. I see no problem with this overall, but I would like to side with you on one that I’ve read recently: LD used for Leon Draisaitl. LD usually stands for Left Defense, and I find that one confusing.

  34. OilLeak says:

    RexLibris,

    Is it even worth buying out Hendricks? The cap savings don’t seem substantial so I would just bury that contract in the minors. Also, buying out Hendricks’s final year implies that he will be a regular on the roster for two more seasons and that is two seasons too many.

  35. Deadman Waiting says:

    Jordan:
    That presumes that Action Saxon stays with the team.

    Man, now I’m practically ready to sell my soul for a good ten-minute Yakety–Saxon highlight reel. I hope they become line-mates for life and that in the not-too-distant future, it’s the other team scrambling around on the short leash of hapless antics.

    ———

    Every so often I ponder what comes after Dead Man Woken. Some of my ideas are pretty funny, but almost all of these are unsuitable for one of fifteen different reasons (the funnier the name, the more obscure the reason).

    Just now I was thinking “Trinitron, now there’s a word one doesn’t hear much any more.” I just have to say it: that word is pretty cool. There’s not many words in the English language that can make you seem older than dead—to anyone born since the last Apollo launch.

    But of course I can’t just settle for the vinyl-of-no-return. I’ve got to mentally audition it pimped-out as “Trinitrotron”. Damn. Looks like I’ve just apprehended failure mode F16.

    Tro tro tro wa wa. Wasn’t that the soundtrack for the classroom scenes in the old Peanuts strip?

    [Note: Made a bit of a late edit.]

  36. Braden88 says:

    Not every player should be directly compared to their respective contracts. each contract is made in the situation at that time. We didn’t sign Hendricks and frankly we didn’t trade for it either. We traded for the player while we still have cap room.

    If we are talking about the player, then i have time for Hendricks all day every day. Fantastic 4th line player In my opinion, and worth his salt in grit.

    If we are talking about the contracts then we should go ahead and get rid of Pouliot, Hendricks Gordan, and Nikitin.

    Yes its the GM’s job to match value to the Cap, and if this beceomes an on going trend that turns us into the next Philly, its a problem. But like it was said earlier, the cap is going up soon. Also we have cap to spare, so lets relax.

    We all know the situation. Mac T is paying the price it takes to get the players we need. As long as it doesn’t have any long term effects, i have absolutely no problem with paying the money it takes to get these guys. Lets worry about next summer, next summer.

    In the mean time, we should at least be able to agree that Hendricks can add value to this team if used in the lineup correctly. thats up to Dallas Eakings to figure out.

  37. Henry says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Can we please avoid shortening players’ last names like ‘Lummer’ and ‘Hendy’? We’re not NHL players and we have the time to write their names in full.

    I can’t spell Paajarvi the same way twice without looking up the Blues roster.

    Is Lummer Dave Lumley?

    Edit: I wonder if his hair is still Lummerific.

  38. soup says:

    Wow! From interviews, Subban really sounds like he is this far (thumb and index finger about 1″ apart) from pulling a Patrick Roy on Montreal. I think he believes he is the $8M Dollar Man. If Dion is $7M, maybe he isn’t that wrong in his thinking.

    In terms of Hendricks, his $1.85M doesn’t really hurt you. He is what he is and there is nothing wrong with that. He brings elements to this team that are needed. There might be better players out there, but with this guy you know what you’re going to get each and every night. Seems to me I recall reading talk of him being quite vocal in the dressing room, to the point of calling out some of the youngin’s if they started to lag. Hendricks is not the problem that needs immediate attention, and he isn’t standing in the way of that either.

  39. Jordan says:

    soup:
    Wow! From interviews, Subban really sounds like he is this far (thumb and index finger about 1″ apart) from pulling a Patrick Roy on Montreal. I think he believes he is the $8M Dollar Man. If Dion is $7M, maybe he isn’t that wrong in his thinking.

    Schultz, 2014 & 2015 1st for Subban. I’d pay him 8.5M to play here.

    Or is there a rule that after an arbitration decision you can’t trade a player for a certain amount of time?

  40. soup says:

    Jordan,

    I have no idea vis-a-vis the ‘trade post arbitration’ thing, but I suspect it would take Petry, Yak, 2015 and 2016 1st rounders to get the conversation started.

  41. Ca$h-Money! says:

    soup:
    Jordan,

    I have no idea vis-a-vis the ‘trade post arbitration’ thing, but I suspect it would take Petry, Yak, 2015 and 2016 1st rounders to get the conversation started.

    Interesting. You’re saying Montreal thinks it would take Petry, Yak, 2015 and 2016 1st round picks to get the discussion started…. but they think Subban is worth $5million/year. That’s hard to reconcile.

  42. Jordan says:

    Ca$h-Money!: Interesting.You’re saying Montreal thinks it would take Petry, Yak, 2015 and 2016 1st round picks to get the discussion started….but they think Subban is worth $5million/year.That’s hard to reconcile.

    Not really. Used car salesmen do this all the time. Some would call it immoral or two-faced. Others would call it capitalism at work.

  43. justDOit says:

    Ca$h-Money!,

    Good point, but $5M/yr is what the Canadiens have tabled for the arbitrator to consider, not necessarily what they feel he’s worth. So they hope for a ruling somewhere between their figure and Subban’s $8.5M.

  44. Marcus Oilerius says:

    JohnnyOilfan:
    LT, looking like the PK/Habs arbitration negotiations not going well.If they aren’t able to come to a deal and the arbitrator awards subban a 1 year deal.What Oilers assets would you be willing to part with in a trade for Subban?Yak, Petry and pick/prospect?

    Petry/Schultz.

    I don’t part with Yakupov.

    I’m sorry, but Subban is over-rated. He’s very good, but his Norris was undeserved (as was Karlsson’s), and the insane money he expects is not worth giving Yakupov up over. In fact, I think I’d rather have Petry and Schultz both for the price of Subban.

    I have no room on my team for the Ovechkins, Subbans, and O’Reillys who want nothing but the maximum available salary, regardless of the consequences for the team and its Cup considerations. If you’re going to win a Cup these days, you need players willing to sacrifice some salary so they can get good teammates signed/re-signed.

  45. Lowetide says:

    If the Habs are offering Subban, I’d trade Yakupov. And I love Yakupov.

  46. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Lowetide:
    If the Habs are offering Subban, I’d trade Yakupov. And I love Yakupov.

    I really don’t know who’s going to be better, Yakupov or Subban.

    But I do know who’s going to be the bigger drama queen with a guaranteed crazy contract. Subban. Given Yakupov’s drama history, that’s saying a lot.

    Subban is going to be this generation’s Yashin contract, once he goes UFA. Book it.

  47. godot10 says:

    How come MacT gets a free pass for similarly shortsighted on Petry as Bergevin is on Subban?

    Both Petry and Subban are young enough that they can be signed to duration, Petry up to 4, Subban up to 8, with minimal risk.

    Petry undoubted wanted a five handle on AAV, and Subban probably wants a nine-handle. Those are fair demands.

  48. bry_oil says:

    LT,
    Really like the RE series you do. Great insight and usually pretty darn accurate. I’m with you on the Subban situation as well, even Eberle should be made available.

    Marcus Oilerius,

    Yak may end up being the better player but very hard to argue against PK at this point in both there careers. Lots has to happen for Yak to even make it to the level that PK is already at. Also I really don’t know how you can say PK is a drama queen. What has he done in your mind to deserve that label? As for the “crazy” contract he will get it is very much so deserved. One of the top 5 d-men in the game today

  49. Pouzar says:

    PK for Yak plus????? Yes please.

  50. Pouzar says:

    Jezzuz….Boh-Dan is Buff Daddy! Looks just like me when I was that age.

  51. B S says:

    Marcus Oilerius: I really don’t know who’s going to be better, Yakupov or Subban.

    But I do know who’s going to be the bigger drama queen with a guaranteed crazy contract.Subban.Given Yakupov’s drama history, that’s saying a lot.

    Subban is going to be this generation’s Yashin contract, once he goes UFA.Book it.

    Isn’t Subban’s Agent Don Meehan the same as Eberle’s? remember what a bitch Eberle’s negotiations were? I don’t think this is Subban’s doing really (clearly he could tell his agent to settle for 5 million, but he wants, and based on market value deserves, much better). He probably told his agent to get him what he can and then left it to Meehan. Subban isn’t an accountant, or a business major, that’s why he hires an agent.

  52. bigbadbruin24 says:

    Very few players on Montreal I like but PK is one of them. I don’t think it hurts to make a phone call that starts off by saying something like, “If Subban may be available we are starting with Eberle” and see what happens from there. If the Habs have no further interest in the conversation, they are not moving him at all.

    EDIT: Unless of course he is asking for Kane/Toews money long term. There has to be some kind of limit for any player. Under nine million per, I think he works. Over nine million per…not so much.

    As for Hendricks…much like the Gordon signing, I have no issue with what he brings to the table for the Oilers. A solid pickup for what he does. If he avoids the unnecesary penalties next year he will work out fine. Nice to have a guy willing to stand up for the kids when needed and can play a regular shift as well.

  53. bry_oil says:

    B S,

    according to his wikipedia page he does. Also he represented Ryan Smyth and remember how that turned out…..

  54. Lois Lowe says:

    Marcus Oilerius:

    I have no room on my team for the Ovechkins, Subbans, and O’Reillys who want nothing but the maximum available salary, regardless of the consequences for the team and its Cup considerations.If you’re going to win a Cup these days, you need players willing to sacrifice some salary so they can get good teammates signed/re-signed.

    I find it hard to blame hockey players for ensuring that they get what’s theirs. It’s the GM’s problem to make sure that he ices a competitive team, players don’t owe the team, GM, or fans any discounts when they can simply get the money elsewhere.

    Would you take less than you were worth at your job? I know I wouldn’t.

  55. Hammers says:

    OF17: So that leaves us with

    Hall-Nugent Hopkins-Eberle
    Perron-Draisaitl-Yakupov
    Pouliot-Gordon-Purcell
    Hendricks-Lander-Joensuu

    Can’t see Arcobello losing his spot to Lander or Joensuu, and I can’t see them putting Pouliot and Purcell with Gordon. That’s putting a lot of depth scoring options with a center who can’t play O. Who knows though.

    No I think Leon goes back after 9 games if he needs to or not >

  56. Lowetide says:

    Marcus Oilerius: I really don’t know who’s going to be better, Yakupov or Subban.

    But I do know who’s going to be the bigger drama queen with a guaranteed crazy contract.Subban.Given Yakupov’s drama history, that’s saying a lot.

    Subban is going to be this generation’s Yashin contract, once he goes UFA.Book it.

    Yakupov is going to be a helluva player, but Subban is already one in an area of weakness. This drama stuff forgets the cracked actors who have passed this way in previous years. I’d make a list of names, but many of them are on the Stanley Cup.


    Messier’s First Holdout: Messier missed the first three weeks of Edmonton’s 1987 training camp in a contract dispute with the Oilers front office. Although he was still under contract to Edmonton, Messier joined teammate Paul Coffey in announcing after the Canada Cup that they would not report to training camp until the final two years of their contracts were renegotiated. At first, it appeared his holdout would be short-lived, however. After visiting his brother Paul in West Germany, Messier met with Edmonton general manager and coach Glen Sather and got assurances that he said made it possible for him to return on Sept. 25, 1987. Messier and his father Doug, who was serving as his agent, changed their minds once it came time to report, and Messier insisted he would not return without a renegotiated contract. One day before the start of the 1987-88 season, Messier and the Oilers announced they had a new six-year deal that nearly doubled Messier’s 1987-88 salary to more than $600,000. Messier played in the season opener but did not officially sign a new contract until September 1988.

    http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1979/79048.html

  57. Hammers says:

    Frank The Dog: You are aware of course that Joensuu is a left shooting LW.

    I didn’t say what spot they are in . Hendricks also can play “C” and Lander has been used in all 3 spots ,that’s why you keep him .

  58. meanashell11 says:

    Lowetide,

    Mr. LT

    Sorry but PK is not a 1D. He is a rushing scoring D along the lines of J Schultz, or what we hope JS can become. Have you seen our shots against? We need a shutdown D, not PK, especially for Yak.

  59. Lowetide says:

    meanashell11:
    Lowetide,

    Mr. LT

    Sorry but PK is not a 1D. He is a rushing scoring D along the lines of J Schultz, or what we hope JS can become. Have you seen our shots against? We need a shutdown D, not PK, especially for Yak.

    The idea that PK Subban somehow doesn’t impact defense is something people (not picking on you here) have to overcome. BECAUSE PK impacts the game offensively, the puck is in the good end of the rink more often. It’s the Darryl Sutter quote all over again. Have to overcome the idea of playing defense, and adopt the idea of puck possession.

  60. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide,

    Anyway, Subban defends better than Mike Green, and that’s about the cutoff line for me.

  61. Logan91 says:

    meanashell11:
    Lowetide,

    Mr. LT

    Sorry but PK is not a 1D. He is a rushing scoring D along the lines of J Schultz, or what we hope JS can become. Have you seen our shots against? We need a shutdown D, not PK, especially for Yak.

    http://youtu.be/sEtZvcMiDKA

    Yeah, why would the Oilers want this? Clearly that’s not 1D material…….

  62. theres oil in virginia says:

    Kirby:
    This is more in relation to some comments made in the Yakimov Thread. Stole these links from the prospect discussion on HFBoards.

    http://instagram.com/p/rDd45oCztC/
    *Recent pic of Yakimov, Drai, and Yakupov in Edmonton

    http://instagram.com/p/amodv4B8bv/?modal=true
    *Apparently, this was about 14 months ago just as he was turning 19

    Just by seeing these (and yes, you can’t always judge a book by its cover), I really don’t think that strength is going to be an issue with Yakimov. Combined with the fact that like Leon, Yakimov has also dedicated his entire summer to training with the Oilers staff in Edmonton, strength really doesn’t strike me as a concern. Also, for all the talk about how Leon has good size, he looks normal (almost small) standing beside Yakimov.

    Really cool pics. Thanks for posting. I’m glad to see Yak(upov) palling around with some guys around E-town. Looks like he’s pretty comfortable in the group.

  63. Frank The Dog says:

    Methinks some friendly rivalry is brewing between the Anglos and non-Anglos on this team. I’m not saying Euros because Russia isn’t part of Europe and the other potential members of that group are French Canadian. As long as the rivalry is a healthy one that’s ok.

  64. steveb12344 says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    Yeah, it would be sweet if the three of them played on a line together.

    Not only would we have a new “kid line” making 04,14,and 93 effectively vets, but we could give them a new cool nickname. Something like “The Yaks N Saxon line”

  65. meanashell11 says:

    Lowetide,

    And that is what we hope JShultz has the potential to become. If I am trading Petry, Yak and a bunch of firsts, it is not for PK. And we potentially have the fire power upfront, we need shots against help, a true 1D.

  66. Lowetide says:

    meanashell11:
    Lowetide,

    And that is what we hope JShultz has the potential to become. If I am trading Petry, Yak and a bunch of firsts, it is not for PK. And we potentially have the fire power upfront, we need shots against help, a true 1D.

    I didn’t mention anything beyond Yakupov, although I would certainly pay more. PK Subban is among the 10 best defensemen in the NHL, I’d argue top 5. The idea you’re NOT getting a No. 1 D in Subban is crazy.

  67. B S says:

    meanashell11,

    +13.3 corsi rel, but yeah, the guy is practically a one pony show right?

  68. Numenius says:

    meanashell11:
    Lowetide,

    And that is what we hope JShultz has the potential to become. If I am trading Petry, Yak and a bunch of firsts, it is not for PK. And we potentially have the fire power upfront, we need shots against help, a true 1D.

    Whatever you’re smoking, share.

    I like Schultz, but he does not have the potential to dominate games like Subban. His small frame and hesitance to get hit, among other things, make that pretty much impossible. Subban strikes the fear of God into his opponents and his possession numbers have been stellar from the beginning.

  69. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Marcus Oilerius,

    Yak may end up being the better player but very hard to argue against PK at this point in both there careers. Lots has to happen for Yak to even make it to the level that PK is already at. Also I really don’t know how you can say PK is a drama queen. What has he done in your mind to deserve that label? As for the “crazy” contract he will get it is very much so deserved. One of the top 5 d-men in the game today

    I don’t know if Subban is in the top 5. Top 10, definitely, but top 5? That’s debatable. I’d take Chara, Weber, Suter, and Doughty ahead of him (for one season. Obviously if you’re building for the future, it’s Doughty, Subban, and Pietrangelo.) You can make a case for Keith, Karlsson (I wouldn’t, but, you know, you could), and maybe Letang.

    Here’s the thing, though. Ryan Suter got a monster contract that goes for forever, for $7.5m AAV. Weber has a similar one for $7.8m. Doughty signed for $7m just three years ago. Ditto Chara. Pietrangelo signed for $8.5m.

    Now I don’t know what Bergevin offered, and we don’t know if Subban was firm on the $8.5m ask. But it’s that much harder to build a contender if you’re investing $8.5m in one defender, when your competition is maxing out at $7.5m.

    As for his talk of wanting to stay in Montreal? “Show me.” John Tavares signed for $5.5m in a bad situation in Long Island, for a fat term. Taylor Hall signed for $6m in a bad situation in Edmonton, for a fat term. Somehow I doubt that Subban would sign for $6.5m in a good situation in Montreal, because I don’t believe anyone thinks Bergevin wouldn’t gladly pony up $6.5m.

    I don’t like Ryan O’Reilly and I don’t like PK Subban. Constant contract disputes are a headache in a pre-cap world, and in the salary cap era they’re a nightmare. Subban’s trade value is going to be low (because even if he gets traded, he might just want to sign for 1 year and then hit UFA for his big payday), and wherever he signs, no matter how good he plays, his contract is likely to be a boat anchor. Chicago is going to lose contender status after next season, when Kane and Toews new deals hit the books, and whatever team ends up paying that kind of money for Subban is going to have similar issues.

  70. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Kirby:

    http://instagram.com/p/rDd45oCztC/
    *Recent pic of Yakimov, Drai, and Yakupov in Edmonton

    What I like most about that picture is that all three Oilers in that picture are built wide like tanks. Yakimov isn’t reed thin like a lot of tall guys, and Yakupov sort of reminds me of Kovalenko. Low and wide.

  71. Lowetide says:

    Marcus Oilerius: What I like most about that picture is that all three Oilers in that picture are built wide like tanks.Yakimov isn’t reed thin like a lot of tall guys, and Yakupov sort of reminds me of Kovalenko.Low and wide.

    Yes, good point. Loved Kovalenko. He could have been a train engine.

  72. jp says:

    Braden88:
    Henry,

    to add to that point, Since the Hendricks acquisition, this team is starting to look more shark eyed then wide eyed. In the past the answer to hard questions was usually along the lines of”we need to figure it out”. now with people like Hendy and Scrivens we are hearing more of “We know what we need to do”.

    A little more Jason Smith heading into a scrum. Hendricks does bring that, and endless work ethic, and he can play some hockey, if not the offensive side of the game.

    Jason Smith. Miss that guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOvVyl5gXQc

    Lowetide:

    But this isn’t traditional 4line. Sure, but you’re not going to get 20 goals out of this unit, so spending $7 million on it looks unwise from here.

    So, let’s say that Hendricks-Gordon-Lander/Joesnuu/Pitlick score 15 goals, but with 20% O-zone starts. How many goals is that worth for the other lines that get those extra O-zone starts? Quite a few I figure. I agree that 7M for a classic 4th line is unwise, but Hendricks-Gordon-whoever may have some additional value above the norm.

  73. Big Dan says:

    Hammers: I didn’t say what spot they are in . Hendricks also can play “C” and Lander has been used in all 3 spots ,that’s why you keep him .

    Matt Hendricks has played C sparingly, as well as both wings.

    I have him slotted as the 4RW. Solid 11 minutes/night eating the ugly minutes and sticking up for teammates.

    The centres are locked in – Nuge, Arco, Draisaitl, and Gordon. The 4LW will be Gazdic for a few minutes if there is a need for an enforcer that night.

    The likes of Lander and Joensuu (who may sail off to Europe if Pitlick or Pinizzotto outplays him at camp) will draw in at 4W if Gazdic isn’t needed. Since Hendricks can play either wing, it gives Eakins some options.

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