THE PSYCHEDELIC RANGERS

The Barons’ defensive prospects are (for the most part) a year ahead or behind the forwards, depending on which crop we’re discussing. The Oilers have already introduced Martin Marincin and Oscar Klefbom at the NHL level, their progression is the front edge of a large and impressive cluster that stretches all the way to Sault. Ste. Marie. The Oilers have a gap in blue, but it’s closing with extreme prejudice.

OILERS PROSPECTS IN OKC (RE 14-15 BARONS DEFENSE)

NAME GP G A PTS
BRAD HUNT 57 7 33 40
MARTIN GERNAT 64 5 20 25
BRANDON DAVIDSON 65 4 10 14
DILLON SIMPSON-rookie 50 3 11 14
C.J. LUDWIG-rookie 35 3 7 10
DAVID MUSIL 70 1 9 10
JORDAN OESTERLE-rookie 50 1 6 7
GRAEME CRAIG-rookie 40 1 3 4
OSCAR KLEFBOM 25 0 4 4
 

Brad Hunt is an intriguing player, because he is so good offensively. If the Oilers end up having a difficult time signing Justin Schultz, Hunt may well step in to an NHL role immediately. Gernat is a player who has offensive ability, but does not possess a monster shot or stunning creativity. After that, it’s defensemen.

THE PROSPECTS IN OKLAHOMA CITY

  1. Brad Hunt—I don’t think he’ll have a career, he’s simply not very good defensively. However, he’s outstanding with the puck, and the Oilers are surprisingly patient with these player-types this century. Is he worse defensively than M-A Bergeron? Really? Then again Bergeron had some of the best recovery skills I’ve ever seen.
  2. Martin Gernat—One of the top players on the LT personal favorite list, I think this has to be his season to show something really good. The blue line has six bingo spots and Schultz, Nurse, Marincin and Klefbom are four.
  3. Brandon Davidson—Jon Willis to Rocky Thompson, everyone seems to think he’s improving. A player to watch.
  4. Dillon Simpson—He improved a great deal during his college career, it’ll be fun to see if he can move up the depth chart during the year.
  5. C.J. Ludwig—Any of these rookies could spend time in Bakersfield, I’m guess Ludwig does. Interesting college numbers.
  6. David Musil—I think he’s in about the same spot as Gernat, but Musil also has more draft pedigree, meaning more chances. He really impressed more than I expected, can he do it again?
  7. Jordan Oesterle—I think he’ll have a similar role to Simpson at the beginning of the year. After that, who knows?
  8. Graeme Craig—He’s a big, big man.
  9. Oscar Klefbom—I have him in the NHL most of the season.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

hennessey gifAt 10, Lowedown hits TSN 1260. We’ll tee up the show, then roll with Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey at 10:05. About 25 minutes after the hour, Andrew Berkshire from Habs Eyes on the Prize will pop in to talk about Alexei Kovalev’s idiotic interview and more on the Habs. At 11, Romulous will discuss the increasing void in regard to fancy stats and where to get our fix, along with the Russian Tkachev and Justin Schultz’ contract negotiations. Finally, Thomas Drance from Canucks Army chimes in on fancy stats, Cam Charron’s hiring, the end of Extra Skater and Vancouver’s season ahead.

See you on the radio!

 

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47 Responses to "THE PSYCHEDELIC RANGERS"

  1. RBB says:

    FIST?

  2. Woodguy says:

    RBB:
    FIST?

    LT can you delete this garbage?

    Hate to see that type of crap become the norm here.

  3. Woodguy says:

    14pts in 50 games for Simpson eh?

    23pots in 42gp in NCAA div 1 doesn’t convert better than that to the AHL?

    Or is it a matter of opportunity?

    Hunt is playing PP1.

    Do you not see Simpson getting much 5v4 time?

  4. Woodguy says:

    In regards to Extraskater going off line.

    That site was only up a year.

    It was handy, but it was hardly the cornerstone of fancy stats that many are making it out to be.

    There was nothing at Extraskater that I couldn’t get elsewhere, except for game specific stats such of toi w/ and toi against.

    Vic’s site, when updated would do the same, but extraskater made it much, much easier to get.

    Stats.hockeyanalysis is far superior when looking at players or teams via various game states.

    Behindthenet is far superior for historical data and running reports with different variables.

    Keep Calm and Corsi on.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    14pts in 50 games for Simpson eh?

    23pots in 42gp in NCAA div 1 doesn’t convert better than that to the AHL?

    Or is it a matter of opportunity?

    Hunt is playing PP1.

    Do you not see Simpson getting much 5v4 time?

    I felt Hunt and Gernat would get the push, along with extra forwards. Reasonable on rookie defensemen is tough, almost always aim too high (at least I do).

  6. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    In regards to Extraskater going off line.

    That site was only up a year.

    It was handy, but it was hardly the cornerstone of fancy stats that many are making it out to be.

    There was nothing at Extraskater that I couldn’t get elsewhere, except for game specific stats such of toi w/ and toi against.

    Vic’s site, when updated would do the same, but extraskater made it much, much easier to get.

    Stats.hockeyanalysis is far superior when looking at players or teams via various game states.

    Behindthenet is far superior for historical data and running reports with different variables.

    Keep Calm and Corsi on.

    Yeah, but I think there are many who don’t know where to go. I’ve linked Rom’s fancy stats post in my blog rool, and agree completely that other sites are available. I use BTN and Vollman.

  7. russ99 says:

    I’m hopeful Klefbom gets a good part of the season to grow in OKC. It served Marincin’s game extremely well.

    Also, I hope he can put together a healthy season this year.

  8. Halfwise says:

    RBB:
    FIST?

    Mommy will help you find a bathroom, but you’ll have to hold on till then.

  9. russ99 says:

    Woodguy,

    More the overall offensive weakness of the forwards, I’d think.

    Had we an 70 point scorer or two in OKC, I’d think hat would be much higher.

  10. Hammers says:

    I would have thought Klefbom would be there for 40 games , getting 25 minutes a game . Not sure why other than Craig,but my gut says Dillon will get a push and probably over Hunt . Gernat , Davidson & Musil will be fighting it out as that # 6-7 in 2 years on the basis Fayne stays with Nurse , Marincin, Schultz & Klefbom so thats 5 + another player McT trades for and 1 of the above. Potentially a very good “D” . Heavy on the Potential .

  11. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: There was nothing at Extraskater that I couldn’t get elsewhere, except for game specific stats such of toi w/ and toi against.
    Vic’s site, when updated would do the same, but extraskater made it much, much easier to get.

    In general, I completely agree with you here.

    but a couple of points.

    1. AFAIK, extraskater was the only site to offer TOI based qual comp numbers. If someone else does, let me know.

    2. the beauty of extraskater was the ease of use. I think a lot of people were/are turned off by analytics simply by having to go so many different places and navigate so many different, often cumbersome, websites.

    The info is out there, for sure. But, extraskater made it easy for people and that has value.

  12. bendelson says:

    Woodguy: Keep Calm and Corsi on.

    Keep Calm and Chive On: A saying commonly used by frequent visitors to the website the Chive. Chivers, as they’re commonly refered to, are known for their worship of actor Bill Murray, pictures of cats, and soft pornography. (urban dictionary)

    Keep Calm and Corsi On: A saying not yet commonly used by frequent visitors to the website Lowetide. Corgis, as they’re commonly refered to, are known for thier worship of hockey player Stan Weir, pictures of Scarlett Johansson, and advanced stats (of course).

    Where do I get the t-shirt WG?

  13. Clay says:

    So you have a good offensive player in Hunt who is tiny and a liability defensively. I don’t understand why they don’t move these guys up to the wing. It looked pretty good on Larsen when they tried it last year.

    Honestly, if he has no future in the org at D, what would it hurt?

    Yes I know there is a glut of small skilled forwards, but if he flourishes, then he may become a trade chip at least.

  14. Numenius says:

    bendelson: Keep Calm and Chive On:A saying commonly used by frequent visitors to the website the Chive.Chivers, as they’re commonly refered to, are known for their worship of actor Bill Murray, pictures of cats, and soft pornography.(urban dictionary)

    Keep Calm and Corsi On:A saying not yet commonly used by frequent visitors to the website Lowetide.Corgis, as they’re commonly refered to, are known for thier worship of hockey player Stan Weir, pictures of Scarlett Johansson, and advanced stats (of course).

    Where do I get the t-shirt WG?

    I like how you have the advanced stats correspond to soft pornography.

  15. icecastles says:

    Keep Calm and Because Oilers.
    There you go. I made my own brain explode.
    Now I’m primed to murder somebody.
    Fucking memes distracting me from my cat videos.

    Anyway, I half expected Klefbom to begin the season on the big team, btu the active roster listing shows 7 D-men with 84 not on that list. Surely he’ll be among the first injury callups, but if the scuttlebutt of of Petry being trade bait for a centre, I wonder if he doesn’t start the season on the lineup anyway.

  16. commonfan14 says:

    Lowetide: Yeah, but I think there are many who don’t know where to go.

    I think it’s a good bet that, within a year, everything people want will be available in a user-friendly format directly from NHL.com.

    Jeff Marek has talked on the podcast he does with Wyshynski about how the league hasn’t missed analytics going mainstream this summer, and doubts they’ll continue giving free business to third-party sites much longer.

    Something to consider before anyone launches into devoting a lot of time and/or money to building an Extraskater replacement.

  17. blainer says:

    I have Gernat as my top prospect on D. I think he will earn top minutes this year on the farm and will surpass Klefbom eventually if he doesn’t get injured. He needs to add weight and I expect his arrival either late this year or early next year. The oilers have Klefbom penciled in long term but I really expect Gernat to put a real wrench in that plan. Gotta love the depth and competition that’s coming to fruition on the farm.

  18. blainer says:

    To be more clear I mean my top prospect on the Farm. I do have Nurse as my top D prospect overall.

  19. Ducey says:

    Willis has a column up at Sportsnet about life after Extraskater:

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/where-to-go-now-for-nhl-advanced-stats/

    All I could think of while I read it was: “What happened to Willis’ eyebrows?”

  20. Lois Lowe says:

    RBB,

    You are not welcome here if you can’t find a way to contribute.

    (Unless you’re “Steve Smith”, in which case, carry on).

  21. Soup Fascist says:

    Really looking forward to seeing Dillon Simpson in camp. While his offensive numbers plateaued a bit between sophmore and junior years there was “talk” his defensive game was much improved. Anytime I watched him live (Bantam through AJHL he was an extremely intelligent player).

    The knock on him when he left for UND (as a 17 year old) was his foot speed was his nemesis. Again a lot of “talk” that aspect of his game is greatly improved, and while he is not going to be mistaken for Paul Coffey, it should not inhibit his professional game.

    Any analytics to support Dillon Simpson as a player to watch or be considered a threat to bypass the Gernot / Musil / Davidson types who have a year (or more in the case of Davidson) of pro under their belts and may be considered ahead of Simpson at this point?

  22. dangilitis says:

    Woodguy,

    I am sorry for drawing more attention to it, but can someone explain to me the damn FIST thing? I read somewhere that people used to write the the word first in the ON blog’s first comment, and then the moderators started removing the r. But then people add comments all the time like “FIST this all day” and I have no clue what the hell they are saying. Should I just keep ignoring it?

  23. RexLibris says:

    Numenius: I like how you have the advanced stats correspond to soft pornography.

    That’s because they are the same thing!

    At least, you know, to some people.

    Soooooo….how about those Eskimos?

  24. icecastles says:

    dangilitis: RBB

    On popular threads, some people get a thrill of being the first to post a comment. So much of a thrill that they will even simply announce that theirs is the first comment without having any content beyond that.

    The tradition on ON (which, while more intelligent than, say, YouTube comments, is still pretty juvenile) is to replace the “first” announcement with “fist”, as it is a supposedly clever misspelling that references the fist of the Oilers Nation logo. Typically, the post is left up and considered to count if it is incorporated into an on-topic pun. For example if there’s an article on Luke Gazdic, the first comment could be something like “he’s not a great skater, but he sure can use his FISTs.”

    It’s moronic, but not really much more so than 80% of the other comments that pollute that otherwise fantastic site. And yes, it’s best simply ignored.

  25. Bank Shot says:

    icecastles:

    It’s moronic, but not really much more so than 80% of the other comments that pollute that otherwise fantastic site. And yes, it’s best simply ignored.

    It’s just a meme. I don’t see it being any different then something like Clap Clap which was used here. People just having some fun.

    It’s nice that the Oilers are going into the season with at least one NHL capable callup in Klefbom. Would have liked to see at least one more, but perhaps a guy like Gernat, Simpson, Davidson, or Musil will surprise.

    If the Oilers can get at least one of their unheralded D prospects to turn out, and if their top prospects develop in a nice line (Fingers crossed), the big team’s D could be set up nicely for the next decade. I really miss watching a good D-core.

    It’s been long underrated in the Stat O sphere what a strong D-core can do for a team. Examples are Nashville and Phoenix being in the mix every season despite not having much talent up front.

  26. Lowetide says:

    I didn’t know about it until beginning to write for ON. I’m fine with it, for me it’s just someone stopping by and saying hello in their own way. I have two kids who communicate I do not know how, they’ve taught me that my world is perhaps too structured and I could be more open to new ideas.

    So, I try. :-)

  27. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Yeah, but I think there are many who don’t know where to go. I’ve linked Rom’s fancy stats post in my blog rool, and agree completely that other sites are available. I use BTN and Vollman.

    I saw that as well.

    I was more addressing the “this is the end of amateur fancy stats!”

    Its not.

  28. Ducey says:

    Bank Shot: It’s been long underrated in the Stat O sphere what a strong D-core can do for a team. Examples are Nashville and Phoenix being in the mix every season despite not having much talent up front.

    Those teams also play an ultra defensive game including a trap. The “system” the Oilers have been playing would make some of those defenseman look somewhat worse.

    In other news, the NHL has changed the draft odds to make it harder for the bottom feeders to tank. Hopefully it coincides with an Oilers ascent up the standings. It would be sweet for them to be in a playoff push and then wind up with McDavid as a consolation prize.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=459859

  29. RexLibris says:

    Ducey: Those teams also play an ultra defensive game including a trap.The “system” the Oilers have been playing would make some of those defenseman look somewhat worse.

    In other news, the NHL has changed the draft odds to make it harder for the bottom feeders to tank.Hopefully it coincides with an Oilers ascent up the standings.It would be sweet for them to be in a playoff push and then wind up with McDavid as a consolation prize.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=459859

    I want to laugh maniacally as many Flames fans had spent the summer hoping that their team would be put in a position to draft one of McDavid or Eichel.

    However, as an Oilers fan I am far too keenly aware of the seemingly unavoidable chances that the Oilers could find themselves with strong odds on those 1st or 2nd overall draft picks, regardless of pre-season expectations.

  30. Woodguy says:

    bendelson: Keep Calm and Chive On:A saying commonly used by frequent visitors to the website the Chive.Chivers, as they’re commonly refered to, are known for their worship of actor Bill Murray, pictures of cats, and soft pornography.(urban dictionary)

    Keep Calm and Corsi On:A saying not yet commonly used by frequent visitors to the website Lowetide.Corgis, as they’re commonly refered to, are known for thier worship of hockey player Stan Weir, pictures of Scarlett Johansson, and advanced stats (of course).

    Where do I get the t-shirt WG?

    First time I saw “Keep Calm and Corsi on” was at Pension Plan Puppets (excellent TOR blog)

    When TOR was in the top 3 in EC early in the year, some people who thought fancystats were shit made t-shirts that had “Keep Calm Corsi’s Wrong”

    They haven’t been heard from lately……

  31. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    1. AFAIK, extraskater was the only site to offer TOI based qual comp numbers. If someone else does, let me know.

    That I do not know where to find elsewhere.

    QC is pretty muddy though and using TOI helped a bit, but its still muddy.

    Looking at where Gabe has them and who their most common linemates are gives you what you need.

    Often the TOI QC had guys seperated by 20sec of TOI over 4 spots, so it is essentially the same.

    QT is far, far, far more important anyhow.

  32. Woodguy says:

    bendelson: Keep Calm and Chive On:A saying commonly used by frequent visitors to the website the Chive.Chivers, as they’re commonly refered to, are known for their worship of actor Bill Murray, pictures of cats, and soft pornography.(urban dictionary)

    Keep Calm and Corsi On:A saying not yet commonly used by frequent visitors to the website Lowetide.Corgis, as they’re commonly refered to, are known for thier worship of hockey player Stan Weir, pictures of Scarlett Johansson, and advanced stats (of course).

    Where do I get the t-shirt WG?

    Also,

    Well done sir.

  33. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    I didn’t know about it until beginning to write for ON. I’m fine with it, for me it’s just someone stopping by and saying hello in their own way. I have two kids who communicate I do not know how, they’ve taught me that my world is perhaps too structured and I could be more open to new ideas.

    So, I try.

    GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

    *shakes fist at a cloud*

    *puts on onion belt*

  34. bendelson says:

    Woodguy,

    Thanks for the background information WG.
    I was not aware of the PPP blog.

    Here I was thinking your wit was showing…

  35. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: QT is far, far, far more important anyhow.

    Who you playin with?

  36. Younger Oil says:

    The new lottery system actually seems really great, assuming we finish outside of the bottom 3 or so.

    We’ll end up hating it when the hockey Gords make us move down 3 slots in the rankings, but for now it seems really interesting.

    It will create a much larger range of players to speculate about as well, which will create even more interesting discussion around here!

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=459859

  37. G Money says:

    Ducey: Those teams also play an ultra defensive game including a trap. The “system” the Oilers have been playing would make some of those defenseman look somewhat worse.

    Despite Nashville’s reputation for being an ultra defensive team, in goals scored the last three seasons they are: 19th, 29th, 8th

    The Oilers during that same time have been: 24th, 18th, 20th.

    On the other hand, NSH has only finished top 10 in GA once. Of those three seasons, they even finished behind the Oilers one season.

    Just two mostly shitty teams is what it comes down to…

  38. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear: Who you playin with?

    Yup

  39. Woodguy says:

    bendelson:
    Woodguy,

    Thanks for the background information WG.
    I was not aware of the PPP blog.

    Here I was thinking your wit was showing…

    You’ve been around long enough to know my wit isn’t capable of that.

  40. supernova says:

    Lowetide:
    I didn’t know about it until beginning to write for ON. I’m fine with it, for me it’s just someone stopping by and saying hello in their own way. I have two kids who communicate I do not know how, they’ve taught me that my world is perhaps too structured and I could be more open to new ideas.

    So, I try.

    I am not “old timey” or a “young buck”

    I agree with woodguy

    But in my opinion there is a site out there that is well known for these comments.

    With that same opinion that site has good articles but the comment section has gone downhill since this form of commenting started appearing in proliferation.

    I agree there is many ways to comment some I get, some I miss.
    Just don’t want to see the blog go downhill because of comments that don’t add to the topic or a topic that is commonly discussed. (Music, travels, Etc)

    Just my opinion on what makes this a great site

  41. nycoil says:

    Lois Lowe:
    RBB,

    You are not welcome here if you can’t find a way to contribute.

    (Unless you’re “Steve Smith”, in which case, carry on).

    Keep calm and Corsi On!

    icecastles:

    Typically, the post is left up and considered to count if it is incorporated into an on-topic pun. For example if there’s an article on Luke Gazdic, the first comment could be something like “he’s not a great skater, but he sure can use his FISTs.”

    I’ll steal from Steve Smith: “I don’t think the word, ‘Pun,’ means what you think it means.” :)

    Oh, and my actual contribution today is the link to a nice little article about speed in the NFL, with hints about future analytics coming to the sport from Grantland.

    http://grantland.com/features/fastest-teams-nfl/

  42. commonfan14 says:

    After we trade for Big Joe, I am willing to give RNH a shot at 2C.

  43. icecastles says:

    nycoil: I’ll steal from Steve Smith: “I don’t think the word, ‘Pun,’ means what you think it means.”

    Yes. It does.

    The pun, also called paronomasia, is a form of word play that suggests two or more meanings, by exploiting multiple meanings of words

    meaning 1: “fist” being the intentional misspelling of “first”, as in first comment in the thread.
    meaning 2: “fist” being the punching things on the end of a man’s arms.

  44. nycoil says:

    icecastles,

    I disagree with allowing intentional misspellings as one meaning of the pun. In your case, is “flied lice” (fried rice) a pun? Because I don’t think it qualifies. It’s still a deliberate misspelling that forms another word.

    To me, “fist” only has one meaning: meaning 2. Therefore it isn’t a pun. The deliberate misspelling is some sort of other device, but it isn’t a pun.

    That said, I’d love to be corrected if I am indeed wrong.

  45. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    1. AFAIK, extraskater was the only site to offer TOI based qual comp numbers. If someone else does, let me know.

    That I do not know where to find elsewhere.

    QC is pretty muddy though and using TOI helped a bit, but its still muddy.

    Looking at where Gabe has them and who their most common linemates are gives you what you need.

    Often the TOI QC had guys seperated by 20sec of TOI over 4 spots, so it is essentially the same.

    QT is far, far, far more important anyhow.

    ES had QT TOI-based stats as well IIRC.

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