NUMBERS ADD UP TO NOTHING

In the next day or so, we should get the Oilers roster for rookie camp. It’s a minor item really, but the last three editions were full of outstanding talent, and it’s fun to compare them year over year.

ROOKIE CAMP 2010 FALL ROSTER

  • GOAL: Olivier Roy, Tyler Bunz, Bryan Pitton
  • DEFENSE: Jeff Petry, Johan Motin, Alex Plante, Jordan Bendfeld, Brandon Davidson, Jeremie Blain, Martin Marincin, Dominik Schlumpf, Nolan Toigo, Dallas Ehrhardt
  • CENTER: Chris VandeVelde, Tyler Pitlick, Ryan Martindale, Milan Kytnar, Chase Schaber
  • LEFT WING: Taylor Hall, Magnus Paajarvi, Phil Cornet, Kristians Pelss, Drew Czerwonka, Curtis Hamilton
  • RIGHT WING: Jordan Eberle, Teemu Hartikainen, Cameron Abney, Mike Thomas, James Livingston

Two wingers on this team were home runs: Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle are now established NHL players of note, Hall is an impact player and among the very best LW’s in the game. Magnus Paajarvi has passed the 200-game threshold and remains an emerging two-way winger. Among centers it’s Chris VandeVelde in a surprise, as his 46 NHL games trump Tyler Pitlick’s 10, and Pitlick has now moved to the wing.

Two defensemen have made a name for themselves in the NHL: Jeff Petry, now at 236 games and a quality player; and Martin Marincin, a recent arrival whose first 44 games were a revelation.

Building on a theme, the goalies haven’t progressed.

 

ROOKIE CAMP 2011 FALL ROSTER

  • GOAL: Olivier Roy, Tyler Bunz, Adam Brown
  • DEFENSE: Colten Teubert, Taylor Fedun, Martin Marincin, Jeremie Blain, Brandon Davidson, David Musil, Martin Gernat, Ryan Lowery, Tyler Schmidt, Wes Vannieuwenhuizen
  • CENTER: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Anton Lander, Milan Kytnar, Ryan Martindale, Travis Ewanyk, Chase Schaber, Colin Smith
  • LEFT WING: Curtis Hamilton, Antti Tyrvainen, Phil Cornet, Drew Czerwonka, Tobias Rieder, Brett Ferguson
  • RIGHT WING: Tyler Pitlick, Kristians Pelss, Toni Rajala, Cameron Abney

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins takes center stage the following year, he’s a gem who scores about 60 points per 82 NHL games, plays in all three disciplines and faces the toughs while barely shaving. That’s a helluva resume, ladies. After that, we have Anton Lander (94 NHL games) and wingers Tyler Pitlick (10 games) and Tobias Rieder (no games yet, but that is likely to change) among the remaining forwards.

Defense: Marincin returns for another rookie camp, and Musil and Gernat arrive together. Davidson spends his second year in RC, and Taylor Fedun (4 NHL games) shows promise. Three goalies attend.

 

ROOKIE CAMP 2013 FALL ROSTER

  • GOAL: Tyler Bunz, Ty Rimmer, Franky Palazzese, Philippe Cadorette
  • DEFENSE: Martin Marincin, Brandon Davidson, Oscar Klefbom, David Musil, Martin Gernat, Joey Leach, Darnell Nurse, Ben Betker
  • CENTER: Andrew Miller, Travis Ewanyk, Greg Chase, Reid Petryk, Chase Schaber
  • LEFT WING: Jujhar Khaira, Mitchell Moroz, Kale Kessy, Austin Fyten, Brandon Baddock
  • RIGHT WING: Marco Roy, Jackson Houck, Kyle Platzer, Cameron Abney, Ty Bilcke

This is last year’s group, with the strength on the blue. Marincin returns and Klefbom arrives, plus newly drafted Darnell Nurse. This group of defensemen may end up sustaining the Hall era Oilers for a decade or more if things work out right. The secondary blue are nice too.

Up front: Lots of promise but no sedan delivery yet, I’d rate Greg Chase, Jujhar Khaira, Mich Moroz, Marco Roy and Jackson Houck as the most promising forwards. Four goalies attend.

 

ROOKIE CAMP 2014 FALL ROSTER (A GUESS)

  • GOAL: Laurent Brossoit, Ty Rimmer, Frans Tuohimaa, Keven Bouchard
  • DEFENSE: Dillon Simpson, Jordan Oesterle, Graeme Craig, CJ Ludwig, Ben Betker, William Lagesson, Darnell Nurse
  • CENTER: Leon Draisaitl, Bogdan Yakimov, Greg Chase, Jujhar Khiara, Connor Jones, Kyle Platzer, Liam Coughlin
  • LEFT WING: Mitchell Moroz, Kale Kessy, Kellen Jones, Josh Winquist, Vladimir Tkachev
  • RIGHT WING: Marco Roy, Mitch Holmberg, Jackson Houck, Chris Baltisberger

They’ll add two or more defensemen, and I’m not sure about the Jones boys but placed them here. Iiro Pakarinen is also possible, but I’ve left him off the list for now. The list at center is most impressive, that’s a lot of future there. Chase may end up playing RW during this rookie camp (that’s a guess). Dillon Simpson leads an intriguing list of defensemen, and I think Brossoit might be the most interesting goalie from the last several rookie camp rosters.

LIAM COUGHLIN

There were rumors about Liam Coughlin not attending NCAA this season, and that has been confirmed by Tyler Lowey in the Vernon Morning Star:

  • Last year’s Rookie of the Year, Liam Coughlin, returns to Vipers’ camp this week. Coughlin sniped 18 goals and 45 points last season and originally committed to Boston University Terriers for the 2014-15, but will upgrade his schooling in Vernon.

Coughlin turns 20 later this month, we should expect some monster boxcars from him in the BCJHL.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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At 10 this morning, Lowdown hits the air on TSN 1260. We’ll be joined by Bruce McCurdy of the Cult of Hockey at 10:05, I’ll replay an interview with Kyle Dubas (then of the SSM Greyhounds) that discusses advanced stats and Darnell Nurse staying in the NHL this fall. I’m hoping to get Jeff Chapman from C&B at 11 (depending on his availability, that’s when Buffalo gets their hot wings) and we’ll talk to Jeff Krushell about the difference in age and size between Leon and Sam Bennett—and the impact that could have on both this fall in their respective training camps.

See you on the radio!

(Paajarvi photo by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved)

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40 Responses to "NUMBERS ADD UP TO NOTHING"

  1. Pouzar says:

    *Wondering if my posts are still getting deleted*

    *fingers crossed*

  2. Pouzar says:

    Awesome!

    Anyone have the starting dates for Rookie and Regular camp?

  3. Ducey says:

    Not sure what I am more surprised at, that MPS is “emerging” as a “two way player” (he is 23 and regressed last year (12 points & some healthy scratches)) or that the NCAA requires certain grades for their athletes.

    I like MPS, but it seems he is going to settle into a checking role (from the Pisani/ Stoll/ Marchant/ Buchberger tree) eventually. I would describe that as a “one way” role.

    He would be nice to have on a third or fourth line.

  4. Pouzar says:

    MPS has always been in the “I don’t get all the love” category.
    He’s a legend in Virtual OilerLand.

  5. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    This is really just a parade of names. Thank you for logging these invites. Amazing stuff.

    Dominik Schlumpf, Nolan Toigo, Wes Vannieuwenhuizen, Philippe Cadorette

    I also find Brett Ferguson funny for some reason.

  6. ohhell says:

    Why no Nurse at rookie camp?

  7. russ99 says:

    Sweeeet! Hockey’s almost here! :D

  8. Hammers says:

    Still think Magnus has a long career in the NHL . There is a player who would benefit from 2 new teams as he would probably go to a top 6 player . If he stays as a bottom 6 with St louis he will help that team . . Always loved that kid .

  9. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lowetide:
    The Golden Bears game is Sept 17
    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=729311&navid=DL|EDM|home

    Penticton info is here
    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=723975

    Historically, does the announcement of the rookie camp roster confirm the same lineup for the Young Stars Tourney in Penticton?

    Looks like I’ll be able to take those games in this year, and I’m keen to see which prospects I’ll be watching. Fair to say it’s extremely doubtful that Klefbom would play in this event again?

  10. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Looks like I’ll be able to take those games in this year, and I’m keen to see which prospects I’ll be watching. Fair to say it’s extremely doubtful that Klefbom would play in this event again?

    Generally you don’t see guys with a full year of pro under their belt, such as Klefbom, Musil, Gernat. Occasionally exceptions get made for ECHLers, goalies, and (ahem) both.

  11. Bag of Pucks says:

    Thanks Bruce. I think this is shaping up to be an excellent year to see this tourney.

    A lot of blue chippers and intriguing propsects, and man is this team BIG. They should stomp all over the Flames young’uns : )

    Will be fun watching Leo vs Bennett head to head

  12. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    This is really just a parade of names. Thank you for logging these invites. Amazing stuff.

    Dominik Schlumpf, Nolan Toigo,Wes Vannieuwenhuizen, Philippe Cadorette

    I also find Brett Ferguson funny for some reason.

    Why is Brett Ferguson funny? He’s a decent player, was good for Red Deer Rebels and is a solid contributor to the Golden Bears now. Used his WHL education $$ to pursue a degree and continue playing high-level hockey. I’ve followed his career since 2010-11 (when he was RNH’s teammate) & have spoken with him a time or two. A third-line talent but a first-rate young man.

  13. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Last year’s Rookie of the Year, Liam Coughlin, returns to Vipers’ camp this week. Coughlin sniped 18 goals and 45 points last season and originally committed to Boston University Terriers for the 2014-15, but will upgrade his schooling in Vernon.

    Sure is encouraging to see a brand new draft pick playing an overage year in Tier Two.

    Coughlin turns 20 later this month, we should expect some monster boxcars from him in the BCJHL.

    Maybe he’ll even top the point-per-game pinnacle. :|

  14. wheatnoil says:

    Slepyshev (aka Sloopy aka Slappy) now showing up on Salavat Yulaev’s roster for their game tomorrow.

    http://en.khl.ru/game/266/41562/teams/

    Also now listed on their team roster. Must have been an oversight the other day.
    http://en.khl.ru/clubs/salavat_yulaev/team/

    Guess that rules out him ditching out on the KHL and being a surprise rookie camp invite! Too bad!

  15. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Why is Brett Ferguson funny? He’s a decent player, was good for Red Deer Rebels and is a solid contributor to the Golden Bears now. Used his WHL education $$ to pursue a degree and continue playing high-level hockey. I’ve followed his career since 2010-11 (when he was RNH’s teammate) & have spoken with him a time or two. A third-line talent but a first-rate young man.

    I find his name funny. Not him.

    As with all inane things one finds funny, you simply can’t explain why it’s funny. And “funny” should in no way be read as “stupid” or equivalent. That would be to take an “anti-funny” approach to life.

    ps. I also find the name “Gary” hilarious. every. single. time. Garys should not read this as a sign I question their character or their appellation.

  16. Lowetide says:

    Boy, Rom sure hates that Brett Ferguson. I always liked him, but whatever.

  17. RexLibris says:

    Okay, getting a 522 error stating that HockeyAnalysis is offline.

    Maybe it’s just a temporary interruption, but if not then I’m going to start getting really ticked if another NHL franchise bought the site.

  18. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    RexLibris:
    Okay, getting a 522 error stating that HockeyAnalysis is offline.

    Maybe it’s just a temporary interruption, but if not then I’m going to start getting really ticked if another NHL franchise bought the site.

    He tweeted out that he was having server issues. It’s not a hiring situation.

  19. Rocknrolla says:

    To anyone thinking about attending. Penticton, my brother and a couple friends from Vancouver went last year. It was a lot of fun.

    The tickets needed up only about $6 each when you buy the whole tournament, and we went to mostly just the oilers games. Beautiful brand new rink down there in Penticton, and we went out a couple times after, bumping into the usual stauffer and Spector suspects.

    Even got into a little scuffle after the game with some mouthy Canucks fans! Talk about excitement (vancouver has the worst fans ever, so cocky and rude!)

    Anyway, wanted to pass that on in case anyone was thinking of making the trip down there this year, we had a great time!

  20. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I find his name funny. Not him.

    As with all inane things one finds funny, you simply can’t explain why it’s funny. And “funny” should in no way be read as “stupid” or equivalent. That would be to take an “anti-funny” approach to life.

    ps. I also find the name “Gary” hilarious. every. single. time. Garys should not read this as a sign I question their character or their appellation.

    I find the name Fido Purpur funny. Brett Ferguson seems kind of, you know, “normal”.

    That said, you can insult “Gary” all you like, I’ll know just who you’re talkin’ about. Screw Gary, and screw the big corporate horse he rode in on!

  21. danieldelair says:

    All this talk about rookies, drafting, minor leagues plus this blog’s penchant for Seinfeld makes this hyper-relevant in the best way possible. If this is the same PR team that put together that whole condor/falcon scene, I salute them!!

    Bakersfield Condors: They’re real, and they’re spectacular!

    http://m.bakersfieldcondors.com/news/article/?guid=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5iYWtlcnNmaWVsZGNvbmRvcnMuY29tLz9wPTE4MzIy

  22. Numenius says:

    This might be just me, but does anyone else think that having the Penticton tournament is a bad idea?

    Throw together a bunch of rookies who haven’t played together, haven’t developed systems, have little motivation to play as a team, have lots of motivation to hurt the players on the other team, and it seems you have a recipe for no real positive gain and needless injuries. See Roy, Marco.

  23. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I find the name Fido Purpur funny. Brett Ferguson seems kind of, you know, “normal”.

    But, that’s essential to why I find it funny. It fits together too well.

    If I met him, I’d have trouble calling him just “Brett.” He would always be “Brett Ferguson.”

  24. Ducey says:

    danieldelair: All this talk about rookies, drafting, minor leagues plus this blog’s penchant for Seinfeld makes this hyper-relevant in the best way possible. If this is the same PR team that put together that whole condor/falcon scene, I salute them!! Bakersfield Condors: They’re real, and they’re spectacular!http://m.bakersfieldcondors.com/news/article/?guid=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5iYWtlcnNmaWVsZGNvbmRvcnMuY29tLz9wPTE4MzIy

    That is great!

    I wrote in and suggested that they make one of the goalies the Soup Nazi. When he makes a save he can yell “No soup for you!”

  25. Lowetide says:

    When the enforcer comes out they can have Kramer say “now lets push this giant ball of oil out the window!”

  26. Braden88 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I find his name funny. Not him.

    As with all inane things one finds funny, you simply can’t explain why it’s funny. And “funny” should in no way be read as “stupid” or equivalent. That would be to take an “anti-funny” approach to life.

    I figured it was because of the Jeopardy contestant “Turd Ferguson” from SNL. because that IS a funny name

  27. wheatnoil says:

    THESE PRETZELS ARE MAKING ME THIRSTY!!!

    Man, I miss that show.

    edit:

    Puffy shirt jerseys broke Facebook. Sorry we're not sorry. #Condorstown— Bakersfield Condors (@Condors) September 3, 2014

    If anyone has a spare rickshaw we can borrow on Nov. 16, that would be great. #Condorstown— Bakersfield Condors (@Condors) September 3, 2014

    I feel like Bakersfield suddenly became the most awesome place to watch a hockey game. Hilarious.

  28. Marc says:

    wheatnoil,

    Suddenly became?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgS3tjKvS2s

    Methinks it’s been that for a while.

  29. nycoil says:

    Krejci re-signs for 6 years, $7.166M cap hit

  30. nycoil says:

    So the Blues and Jaden Schwartz seem to be far apart on a contract. Given the photo above, if the Blues decide to move Paajarvi, what do the Oilers offer to get him back?

    Source:
    http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24693374/jaden-schwartz-blues-significantly-apart-in-contract-talks

  31. godot10 says:

    nycoil:
    Krejci re-signs for6 years, $7.166M cap hit

    David Perron loves that contract.

  32. nycoil says:

    godot10,

    David Perron loves the Pouliot contract just as much. He could well argue he is worth almost twice that contract.

  33. wheatnoil says:

    godot10: David Perron loves that contract.

    Perron will certainly be due for a big raise when his contract is up and he’s definitely providing value now. However, I’m not sure if Krejci is an immediately obvious comparable. Sure they both broke into the league at around the same time, but Perron scored a career high 57 points last year. Krejci has had four 60+ point seasons including one 70+ season and last year got 69 points.

    Since they both broke into the league, Perron has never had a higher P/G than Krejci. Perron’s highest P/G is 0.74 (and he came close to that peak last year at 0.73). Krejci has had four NHL seasons with a higher P/G than that.

    Clearly total points and points per game are a rather superficial initial comparison. However, at least on that basis, I’m not sure that Perron has established himself as a consistent producer or as high of a producer as Krejci to be able to use him as a fair comparable.

    Again, that doesn’t mean Perron won’t be due for a raise and he’s unlikely to come cheap, but just because Krejci gets $7.1, doesn’t mean Perron will.

  34. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    When the enforcer comes out they can have Kramer say “now lets push this giant ball of oil out the window!”

    Well, you know they interviewed Nicholson in the EJ today talking about rolling out some partnerships this fall.

    I think this is the thin end of the wedge on the new corporate partnership and promotional landscape the Oilers are creating.

    Now, how long before they do a Lowetide jersey night at Rogers Arena? The name bars could all read Pouliot and the fans could chant “GET OFF MY LAWN!”.

    Seriously, I’d buy that jersey and get it autographed.

  35. godot10 says:

    wheatnoil:

    Again, that doesn’t mean Perron won’t be due for a raise and he’s unlikely to come cheap, but just because Krejci gets $7.1, doesn’t mean Perron will.

    But it means he can ask for $6 million plus.

  36. wheatnoil says:

    godot10: But it means he can ask for $6 million plus.

    Agreed. If I were him I’d open with $6 or $6.5.

  37. nycoil says:

    wheatnoil: Agreed. If I were him I’d open with $6 or $6.5.

    Yep. The second the ink dried on Pouliot’s contract though, he had to have been thinking 5 years x $6M for sure.

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