STANLEY ROAD

lavoie nailFor much of their history, the Edmonton Oilers have used east coast road trips to tweak the roster. Some of them are memorable because they happened when the team was in a tailspin—MA Bergeron to the Islanders took place during a road trip from hell to Boston, Buffalo Toronto and Ottawa—and others happen because it’s the time of the season (Doug Weight for Tikkanen).

I don’t think the Oilers are likely to deal Yakupov. Why? His value is not high at this time, he’s on pace for 15 goals and then a possible contract squabble. Teams aren’t going to give you big return for that kind of thing.

friedman petryI can tell you that since last fall/winter the number of Flyers-Oilers rumors from everywhere have been incredible. I think part of it goes back to that draft day conversation a couple of years ago that resulted in zilch, but it’s also true Philadelphia likes all the players. If the Flyers took human form, they’d move to Amsterdam. Jordan Eberle, Jeff Petry, Wayne Simmonds and on it goes.

Will anything happen? Hell if I know. I do find it kind of funny that Oiler reject Chris Vande Velde is playing a little in the NHL.

One more thing: WG has mentioned a few times about having some faith in the Oilers either changing their minds or becoming convinced (don’t remember exact verbal) of Petry’s value. If Petry’s agency was in town, talking about it, maybe minds are being changed? Maybe Eakins is convinced and working on the grey hairs up in the office? It’s far more encouraging that the one-year deal when it happened and good for Petry. Hope he stays and wins a championship, just like his Dad did for the Tigers. As an aside, Dan Petry’s nickname? Peaches. Jeff Petry’s nickname? Likely Pete-y, because hockey players.

LINES AND PAIRINGS

Based on information out of Philly today, the lines look like this:

  • Pouliot—Nuge—Eberle
  • Purcell—Arcobello—Perron
  • Hendricks—Draisaitl—Yakupov
  • Acton—Gordon—Joensuu

The top line has some interesting things and should be able to skate with anyone. The 2line will need to play some tough opps because the third line is going to be a bit of an adventure on the road. I think putting Acton on the 4line is fine, the role isn’t an offensive one and Acton can play well enough in his own zone and penalty kill. Can this group score four goals in Philly? Have you seen the Flyers defense?

And the pairings:

  • Marincin—Petry
  • Nikitin—Schultz
  • Klefbom—Fayne

It was mentioned in the comments of the Aulie post, but this really does look like the best defensive group available to the Oilers (even when everyone is healthy). Marincin and Petry should be a really nice pairing who can help everywhere, and Klefbom-Fayne is a nice shutdown pairing as long as Klefbom can speed up his brain from the opening faceoff. Nikitin-Schultz mean bathroom breaks will be at a ‘at your own risk’ level tomorrow afternoon.

DARREN DREGER ON KLEFBOM

  • “I think the lofty side would be to suggest he’s going to one day be a Top-4. He’s probably going to be in that 5-6 range. But that’s still a pretty good player by National Hockey League standards. The Oilers still hold out hope he’s going to be better than that. Otherwise they would have packaged him as part of a deal by now.”
  • “You know what? MacTavish, like so many other general managers – throw Dave Nonis into the mix – everyone, in fact, all overrate their players. And I think it’s starting to lean toward the side now of Klefbom being overrated to this point.”

Source

I’ll file that under “WAY too soon to be making that call” and wonder where Mr. Dreger heard this about Oscar Klefbom. Mr. Nonis? It’s a guess.

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  1. blackdog says:

    Dreger is the worst. Just the worst. Nothing but a water carrier for Nonis and, during work stoppages, the owners.

  2. slopitch says:

    I like these lines although they look much better with #4.

    I love Yak and would miss him like crazy but if there is a scenario where you upgrade 2C and either of Marincin or Petry you have to take a look. It shouldnt be that hard to upgrade Arcobello and Petry and the rest of the roster looks pretty good. At some point you gotta stop playing for tomorrow.

  3. D says:

    The Oil had a master of highway robbery back in the day when deals like Weight for Tikkanen happened. I hope some of that Sather magic rubs off in the next little while if the Oilers make a trade.

  4. nycoil says:

    Dreger said that? Irresponsible, but not surprising. Killing the value of Oiler players is his second favourite hobby next to whatever else floats his Napoleonic complex.

  5. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Dreger went from being one of the better talking heads to being a tool. People here pointed out he’s somehow related to Nonis, and I think I’m starting to see a pattern here.

  6. flyfish1168 says:

    TSN or better known as toronto sports network needs to appease the masses right or wrong. Dregar and them sees nonis more than any other g.m. so to keep there jobs they are in nonis’s back pocket. Sad but that is reality.

    All this losing doesn’t help your value. Until this group leads and start winning they will always be looked about as so so runs by others. That is why it is important now for this supposed core to start leading and winning without Taylor. Than we can start talking about value. Taylor has proved it by being top 10 scoring. Jordan, RNH and Justin needs to start leading and winning now. Yak being 1st overall needs to show that is why he went 1st overall. Winning brings value in many ways.

    Freidman and Mackenize are the only ones that has some creditably left

  7. Dicky94 says:

    Really wish they would make a deal already for a center. That way they can send Acton back to OKC where he belongs. Tyler Pitlick should be the one playing in his place tomorrow night. Give him some games and showcase him ,then make a decision on him. If he plays really well they can keep him or use him as an asset in a trade. I think he belongs on the Oilers myself.

  8. wheatnoil says:

    Dicky94,

    Pitlick currently has a concussion. Poor guy can’t by a break unless it comes via one of his bones.

  9. godot10 says:

    Repost from last thread:

    I disagree with the blog consensus on the Matty Petry article.
    1) Management and the mainstream media are preparing the way to absolve themselves of blame when Petry is traded or leaves. Management and their media friends have been dumping on Petry for a couple of years now. And Eakins benched Petry last year and this year (his best defensemen). They fertilized the soil for the fan hatred. And now they want to escape blame by blaming the fans.
    2) The article is also preparing the soil to depict Petry as greedy by proposing the $4 million number. Prime UFA years for good all-around 2nd pairing defensemen on new contracts start at $5.5 million.
    Lowe and MacT are trying to negotiate in the media. This is a terrible sign and dishonourable.

  10. oliveoilers says:

    Stanley Road. Great album, LT. What caused you to choose this one? Wildwood isn’t on it, I would think the lyrics would be apt. Maybe Out of the Sinking?

  11. hunter1909 says:

    godot10: Lowe and MacT are trying to negotiate in the media. This is a terrible sign and dishonourable.

    Lowe thinks the media owe HIM a living.

    MacT used to be a 100% jerk when coaching calling out players due to his own shortcomings. I’m not yet sure about MacT as a GM but have a very bad feeling re the way a terribly coached team might be set to unload superstar prospects like Yakupov to shore up major flatline fuckups by coaching + management.

    Eakins, as some astute poster recently pointed out is a bully to his players and an ass licker to HIS bosses.

    Yaks going away for quick fixes? What will they think of next?

  12. Mr DeBakey says:

    Dreger is good at working his contacts for info.
    At analysis, or anything resembling it, he ranks right up there with my Golden Haired Rescuedog.

    godot10: Management and their media friends have been dumping on Petry for a couple of years now.

    This has been standing operating procedure with the Oilers for many years.

  13. hunter1909 says:

    Mr DeBakey: This has been standing operating procedure with the Oilers for many years.

    Is there any known reason why they do this?

  14. Dicky94 says:

    wheatnoil,

    Really eh? Man he has had terrible luck. Always seems to happen at the worst possible times. Like when he has a shot a making the team.

  15. Lowetide says:

    oliveoilers:
    Stanley Road.Great album, LT.What caused you to choose this one?Wildwood isn’t on it, I would think the lyrics would be apt.Maybe Out of the Sinking?

    Yeah, I was just thinking about it all day today. You know, Stanley road, the road to Stanley and how often in 2005-06 we talked about what was needed and then Lowe just rolled it out like it was written in a holy scroll.

    Stanley road. Someday.

  16. bendelson says:

    oliveoilers:
    Stanley Road.Great album, LT.What caused you to choose this one?Wildwood isn’t on it, I would think the lyrics would be apt.Maybe Out of the Sinking?

    So many albums, so many songs…
    Personally, ‘Bitterness Rising’ comes to mind when considering the Oilers.

  17. cahill says:

    RE: Dreger’s comments. It was kind of irresponsible his comments, but the thing is Dreger doesn’t really follow prospects unless they are Toronto prospects or in the OHL. Based on nicholsonhockey.com (I didn’t listen to the interview) Dregor was asked why there’s so much attention around Klefbom. Then Dregor (as a hockey insider) needed to give an opinion on someone he really hasn’t seen much of or knows anything about. IHe was (likely) on the spot and gave a ‘safe’ opinion of Top 4, which is fair. And another ‘safe’ statement about teams overvaluing their prospects. Well that’s fair too. But he didn’t really answer the question. If opposing GM’s are asking about Klefbom it’s probably because NHL scouts see value in a big defenseman that can skate, make a good first pass and can defend.

    The reality is Dreger doesn’t know anything about Klefbom. We as fans really shouldn’t give two shits about what Dreger says because he’s just a guy with a microphone. I honestly think he would have given the same “report” on Marincin when he was rumored in the Schneider deal a couple of drafts ago.

    But if you need to know who signed a contract ….. Dreger will retweet Bob McKenzie’s announcement of the signing.

  18. jimmers2 says:

    cahill:
    The reality is Dreger doesn’t know anything about Klefbom.We as fans really shouldn’t give two shits about what Dreger says because he’s just a guy with a microphone.I honestly think he would have given the same “report” on Marincin when he was rumored in the Schneider deal a couple of drafts ago.

    But if you need to know who signed a contract ….. Dreger will retweet Bob McKenzie’s announcement of the signing.

    This. Great post. Last year one general manager or another was quoted saying (and I’m almost quoting) “MacTavish over-values his own players”. I believe it was Nov.-December, when the first bout of “Trade Yakupov” stories started. Dreger’s quote seems to echo last years’ very closely. Was the source of the quote Nonis by any chance? Does anyone here know?

  19. teddyturnbuckle says:

    LT I remember when Marc A Bergeron was traded. He cost the Oilers a game with a vintage M A B mistake and the next day Lowe sent him out of town for I believe Grebeshkov. Lowe was an emotional GM and I remember how happy I was M A B was traded after cursing his name the night before.

    As far as trades go I think MacT has to make a hockey trade sometime this year in order to change the identity of the Oilers. Young player for young player that works for both teams. Everybody and their dog knows the Oilers don’t have the right mix. An Eberle for Couturier or Jordan Staal type of deal.

  20. Ray says:

    Oh, Kevin Lowe’s temper…. it’s a good thing he calmed down that one time before almost trading away Mike Comrie to Anaheim for a prospect winger… … … … sigh

  21. []JUST[]KEEP[]CALM[]AND[]CORSI[]ON[] says:

    Well this team just suffered through what seemed to be 3 bazzillion years of a GM undervaluing his assets.

    I’m okay with MacT playing hardball for now, because I think STambellini took Tony Soprano’s words to heart when he said, “More is lost to indecision, than wrong decision.”

    As far as Dredger goes, we’ve already spent too much time hating on him.

  22. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Wasn’t so long ago we were all excited about trading Schultz for Ryan O’Reilly, eh.

  23. []JUST[]KEEP[]CALM[]AND[]CORSI[]ON[] says:

    “Frank The Dog”:
    Wasn’t so long ago we were all excited about trading Schultz for Ryan O’Reilly, eh.

    I was more excited about plucking him off of waivers from Calgary, but yeah – that too.

  24. "Frank The Dog" says:

    I know that we need to be able to play anyone on the roster with anyone else on the roster but first we do need to be able to win some games. I just think that the churn resulting from Taylor’s injury was unnecessary.
    Yes, we had to fill the hole. Perron has prior experience with them, plug in Perron. Oh, Perron’s nursing his hip, cant do the #1 line minutes (speculation). Oh ok, put in Poo, next best.

    What next? Well, Acton Jr is there, he’s the official reserve so you have to play him. Ok, then put him on the line that plays the least minutes in the least vital role on the team, one that needs a little defence more than it needs offence.

    Which line is that? Not the Wagon Wheel Line. That would be Arco’s line, which leaves Drai with Perron. What’s wrong with that?
    Pouliot-Nuge-Eberle (best choice if Perron isn’t 100% or can’t play #1 line minutes)
    Perron-Drai-Yak (Perron playing his most effective side, softer minutes than the #1 line due to recovering hip surgery, has shown chemistry prior with both Nuge and Drai))
    Hendricks-Gordon-Joensuu (wagon wheels stay in place)
    Acton-Arco-Purcell. (Genuine 4th line to spot the Wagon Wheels every now and then)

    All I ask is that the SMITR’s put egg in my face by winning tomorrow night.

  25. Marcus Oilerius says:

    After much thought and debate, I have finally begun to question Yakupov. I mean, there were always questions, but until this season I’ve generally dismissed them, excusing Nail’s lapses due to bad coaching in junior, bad coaching at the pro level, poor opportunities, communication issues, and so on.

    As I look at his WOWY stats, his Corsi this year, and take a more critical look at his on-ice play, I really wonder if he doesn’t have rock-bottom hockey awareness/puck sense/etc. Over two seasons into his career, he continues to befuddle his linemates. He passes too hard, he passes at unexpected times, he misses defensive assignments, and as he looks to get engaged physically this year he ends up out of position or finishing a check when he should be skating to backcheck.

    I see progress, but in the sense that he’s playing within rules, rather than understanding the reasoning behind those rules. It’s like, even when he does the right thing, it’s by rote rather than because that’s the intelligent decision. I feel I can say this, because he’ll do that same thing even when it’s not the optimal choice.

    He’s a great individual talent in a team sport. This talent let him dominate junior and has him as an interesting but flawed prospect in the pros. The two closest comparisons I can think of for Yakupov are, oddly enough, defencemen – Subban and Phaneuf. They both made, like Yakupov, breathtaking plays and physical attacks on the other team, and like Yakupov, their defensive acumen was far below their talent level. Unlike Yak, however, they meshed offensively with their teammates. They could deploy their talents within a team context. So even as they were out of sync on the defensive side of the game, they were contributing offensively. Yakupov, currently, is doing neither.

    Even when he manages something offensive, like scoring a goal, you get the feeling he’d score more if he was just a bit more judicious, a little less excited, less intense. Rather than blasting a one-timer through the boards from below the faceoff dot at 100mph, he could wrist it at 70mph and hit the net.

    He’s Nuke Laloosh and this is hockey, not baseball. He has no Crash Davis to help him out, to think for him, because this isn’t a game played turn by turn. Or perhaps more pertinently, he’s Brett Hull and there isn’t an Adam Oates around, and he doesn’t have Hull’s accuracy or control.

  26. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    If you guys didn’t see the Tarasenko goal tonight, it is worth checking out. I’m trying to think positive thoughts. Too many Bettman points handed out these days to be optimistic about staying in contention until the new year if Hall is out for half of that time, but…will try!

  27. []JUST[]KEEP[]CALM[]AND[]CORSI[]ON[] says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    That was a great goal, but also on the PP.

  28. []JUST[]KEEP[]CALM[]AND[]CORSI[]ON[] says:

    Marcus Oilerius: Or perhaps more pertinently, he’s Brett Hull and there isn’t an Adam Oates around, and he doesn’t have Hull’s accuracy or control.

    I’m sure that the formatting is going to hell on this, but the following is Hull’s stats beginning with his 21 yr old season. Yak is now 21. Pretty tough to compare him to Brett Hull, but I would love to see Yak blow by Snepsts a few dozen times per season.

    Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM

    1985-86 U. of Minnesota-Duluth WCHA 42 52 32 84 46

    1985-86 Calgary Flames NHL — — — — —

    1986-87 Calgary Flames NHL 5 1 0 1 0

    1986-87 Moncton Golden Flames AHL 67 50 42 92 16

    1987-88 Calgary Flames NHL 52 26 24 50 12

  29. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    []JUST[]KEEP[]CALM[]AND[]CORSI[]ON[],

    Yes, but to pull off the Forsberg ’94 after undressing a d-man (even if it was McIlrath) in a non-shootout situation is amazing.

  30. bendelson says:

    Hypothetical question: Is it considered acceptable fan behavior to go to a game wearing the jersey of the home team – with a bag over your head?

    I have memories of a certain segment of the New Orleans Saints fan base that would wear them year after year back in the day… Or so it appeared, they always managed to get plenty of coverage. Those lovable losers!

    Tolerable fan behavior or in today’s day and age, would this kind of display be considered completely unacceptable?

  31. []JUST[]KEEP[]CALM[]AND[]CORSI[]ON[] says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    Yes the Finish was amazing, for not being a Swede.

  32. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    Dreger went from being one of the better talking heads to being a tool.People here pointed out he’s somehow related to Nonis, and I think I’m starting to see a pattern here.

    A management tool or just a tool? Oh wait a minute, i’ve got it. — both!

    blackdog:
    Dreger is the worst. Just the worst. Nothing but a water carrier for Nonis and, during work stoppages, the owners.

    haha perfect timing, BDHS. Might as well get out in front of the curve. Bang on point i really learned to detest Dreger during the lockouts. About as balanced as a Faux News commentator.

  33. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    bendelson,

    There was some chatter of fans at rexall having their bags confiscated last year and people being banned for it. Not sure, but be careful if you do.

  34. Yeti says:

    There was a young man named Aulie,
    Who played on defence rather poorly.
    I can’t get past the sneakin’
    Suspicion that Eakin,
    Only hired him because he’s a Marlie.

  35. []JUST[]KEEP[]CALM[]AND[]CORSI[]ON[] says:

    bendelson: Is it considered acceptable fan behavior to go to a game wearing the jersey of the home team – with a bag over your head?

    If you really want to send a message, don’t watch, don’t go and don’t buy jerseys/beer/popcorn/parking/hotdogs.

  36. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Yeti,

    Love limericks, and it’s a nice one, but…

    From Mr. Staples:

    Not that Craig MacTavish didn’t push hard to make the case for him on July 1.

    “Later on in the day we were able to add Keith Aulie, who we feel has an opportunity to be one of the players on a one-year deal that really enhances his value through this period,” the Oilers G.M. said then. “We were looking at Benoit, we were looking at Anton Stralman, all these players that had come in the year before and really added all this market value to their ability. Benoit in particular was in New York on a million and a half deal or slightly less than that, and he commands this price as did Anton Stralman and I think Keith Aulie has that ability. Duane Sutter on our staff was a real advocate of bringing him in, and we think that he’s got an opportunity because of his age and his skill set to have a significant impact on our team.”

    Duane Sutter, not Eakins.

  37. Marcus Oilerius says:

    []JUST[]KEEP[]CALM[]AND[]CORSI[]ON[],

    Adjusting for era, I think this is an apt comparable so far.

  38. bendelson says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    bendelson,

    There was some chatter of fans at rexall having their bags confiscated last year and people being banned for it. Not sure, but be careful if you do.

    No, no. Not my style. It really was a hypothetical.

    Does it exist in Jacksonville these days?
    I seriously doubt it would be an issue in Oakland.. I suspect the home crowd would tear them to shreds.

  39. []JUST[]KEEP[]CALM[]AND[]CORSI[]ON[] says:

    Yeti:
    There was a young man named Aulie,
    Who played on defence rather poorly.
    I can’t get past the utter
    Suspicion that Sutter,
    Only hired him because he’s a Marlie.

    ftfy

  40. []JUST[]KEEP[]CALM[]AND[]CORSI[]ON[] says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    []JUST[]KEEP[]CALM[]AND[]CORSI[]ON[],

    Adjusting for era, I think this is an apt comparable so far.

    He might look like a young Brett Hull, but you can’t ‘adjust’ Yak’s lack of development time in lower leagues, or the fact that Hull was a full two years older when he first showed well in the NHL.

  41. Clay says:

    The Flames are proving right now that with a good-to very good top 4 d-corps, and excellent goaltending, you can win games with a very questionable forward group.

    We like to wring our hands over the Oilers’ center depth – well the Flames rolled up the Habs with a C lineup of Monahan – Byron – Granlund – Bouma. That isn’t murderer’s row. Monahan, Byron, and Granlund have a combined 191 games experience – exactly the same amount as RNH.

    My point? If the Oilers impose a $10,000 fine for Scrivens every time he handles the puck, and if this group of 6 dmen can gel, then there’s hope for them to maybe win a game or two while Hall is on the shelf.

    If I were a betting man though, I’d put money on this team going 0-3-2 on this road trip. They’re just too good at finding new and exciting ways to lose games.

  42. Tears of Wayne Gretzky says:

    Any fanbase that consumes the drivel of hacks like Matheson, Staples and Stauffer probably isn’t in a position to call out Dreger. As bad as he is.

  43. Hammers says:

    Sometimes I wonder if the brain trust called Oilers management see things with rose colored glasses or as most fans seem to . The more discussions I have with non-Oiler fans the more I think we do tend to over rate many of our players . The only ones I get a consistent agreement on are Hall , RNH , Marincin & Perron with Fayne & Gordon also getting high marks . They aren’t sure on both Leon & Klefbom ( to soon ). That’s still less than half our team . Unfortunately the ones they feel are highly over rated are in order , Schultz , Scrivens ,Yak ,Petry , Purcell , Pouliot & Eberle . The rest are considered OK but replaceable components on most teams . Remember not talking results just where Oiler management & fans seem to rate them and they make good arguments especially the first 4 Schultz to Petry .Sometimes its good to hear others opinions .

  44. rickithebear says:

    We have played common opponents this year:
    team – CGY – EDM
    VCR – 1L 0.000% – 2L 1SOL .167% advantage oilers
    TMP – 1 OTL .500% – 1W 1.000% advantage oilers
    CAR – 1W 1.000% – 1W 1.000% even
    WSH – 1L 0.000% – 1W 1.000% Advantage Oilers
    MTL – 1W 1 SOW 1.000% – 1W 1.0000 superior ROW Advantage oilers
    NSH – 1W 1SOW 1.000% – 1L 0.000% Advantage flames
    Oilers superior win % against 5 of 6

    CGY 3W -2 SOW – 2L – 2OTL `12/18 .667%
    EDM 4W – 3L – 1 OTL 9/16 .563%

    the Difference
    – Rinne shitting the bed in GM 2 against CGY
    – Scrivens giveaways.

    High praise for a CGY team on this site.
    2SOL instead of wins they are 10/18 .556

    Seriosly!

  45. rickithebear says:

    []JUST[]KEEP[]CALM[]AND[]CORSI[]ON[]: ftfy

    The desire of any team is get players who make teamates results better.

    Aulie suffers from the same morons who did not like Penners skating!

  46. Melman says:

    So LT, based on tomorrow’s starting 6, it raises the question: Are we there yet?

    Because I feel as though I’ve been waiting, like you know, forever…

  47. Lowetide says:

    Melman:
    So LT, based on tomorrow’s starting 6, it raises the question: Are we there yet?

    Because I feel as though I’ve been waiting, like you know, forever…

    I feel we have a ways to go yet.

  48. book¡je says:

    Tears of Wayne Gretzky:
    Any fanbase that consumes the drivel of hacks like Matheson, Staples and Stauffer probably isn’t in a position to call out Dreger. As bad as he is.

    Never mind that, any Fanbase that likes peanut butter, goes bowling, or eats at taco libre isn’t in a position to call out eggs.

    Sorry, I was just trying to come up with a statement as generic and pointless as yours. It’s tough though.

  49. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear:
    We have played common opponents this year:
    team – CGY – EDM
    VCR – 1L0.000% – 2L 1SOL .167% advantage oilers
    TMP – 1 OTL .500% – 1W 1.000% advantage oilers
    CAR – 1W 1.000% – 1W 1.000% even
    WSH – 1L 0.000% – 1W 1.000% Advantage Oilers
    MTL – 1W 1 SOW 1.000% – 1W 1.0000 superior ROW Advantage oilers
    NSH – 1W 1SOW 1.000% – 1L 0.000% Advantage flames
    Oilers superior win % against 5 of 6

    CGY 3W -2 SOW – 2L – 2OTL `12/18 .667%
    EDM 4W – 3L – 1 OTL9/16 .563%

    the Difference
    – Rinne shitting the bed in GM 2 against CGY
    – Scrivens giveaways.

    High praise for a CGY team on this site.
    2SOL instead of wins they are 10/18 .556

    Seriosly!

    Pretty much.

    I would expect regulars on this site to recognize a PDO driven team when they see one (i.e. last year’s COL)

    CAL PDO rank 3rd in NHL 1034.50,

    CAL Fenwick rank 27th in NHL 45.73

    They will come back to reality once their goalies stop posting .944 5v5 SV%

    The funny think about CAL is that they have best Dpair in the NHL with GIo-Brodie.

    CAL’s Fen with them on the ice is ~47% and with them off the ice its ~40%

    Kinda like when Smid-Petry were putting up 49% and the rest of the team put up 42%

    Remember when the Oilers had 8 wins in their first 11 games because Khabby put up a .962?

    Yeah, that’s happening to CAL right now.

    I’ll accept any bet of almost any size that they don’t make the playoffs.

  50. Woodguy says:

    godot10,

    2) The article is also preparing the soil to depict Petry as greedy by proposing the $4 million number. Prime UFA years for good all-around 2nd pairing defensemen on new contracts start at $5.5 million.

    Stralman $4.5MM

    Muzzin ~$4.25 for his UFA years ($3M for his last RFA year), and he’s first pair on LAK

    Brodie’s UFA years $4.85 and he’s first pairing

    McDonald $5MM and he’s (haha) 1st pairing

    Niskanen is the only one lately to get the number you are talking about and he’s playing 1st pair in WAS and brings more offence.

    $4.5MM is a reasonable number for Petry.

  51. Woodguy says:

    All,

    What we know is that since MacT took over as GM is that Matty has had the goods when it comes to the day to day stuff on the Oilers.

    He had every moment of the Jultz negotiation from the management side.

    Now he writes that:

    1) Fans are too hard on Petry
    2) Both sides may be interested in a deal

    Add to this the praise and TOI from the head coach.

    I read this as management warming up to extending Petry and trying to get Matty to pave the way for a warm reception among the fans for an extension.

  52. flyfish1168 says:

    Woodguy:
    All,

    What we know is that since MacT took over as GM is that Matty has had the goods when it comes to the day to day stuff on the Oilers.

    He had every moment of the Jultz negotiation from the management side.

    Now he writes that:

    1) Fans are too hard on Petry
    2) Both sides may be interested in a deal

    Add to this the praise and TOI from the head coach.

    I read this as management warming up to extending Petry and trying to get Matty to pave the way for a warm reception among the fans for an extension.

    I hope you are correct. We need to have good players wanting to stay in Edmonton.

  53. wheatnoil says:

    Woodguy,

    No! You’re wrong Woodguy!

    Because Narrative.

  54. Woodguy says:

    More talk about trading for Brayden Schenn

    Here’s Schenn’s 5v5 pts/60 over his career:

    2011-2012 Season 1.22 tied for 284th among NHL forwards
    2012-2013 Season 1.41 tied for 199th among NHL forwards
    2013-2014 Season 1.69 tied for 165th among NHL forwards
    2014-2015 Season 1.20 tied for 233rd among NHL forwards

    That’s 3rd/4th line point production.

    Why do people think that Schenn is a good hockey player?

    Still remember him scoring at the World Juniors?

    Stop it.

  55. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Woodguy,

    It’s almost as if the Oilers have realized their #1 defenceman is not Justin Norris.

    The absolute worst part about cheering for this team is the knowledge that we, as a group of posters, are a better management group than the actual management group.

  56. Genjutsu says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    Woodguy,

    It’s almost as if the Oilers have realized their #1 defenceman is not Justin Norris.

    The absolute worst part about cheering for this team is the knowledge that we, as a group of posters, are a better management group than the actual management group.

    To be fair, some intelligent people put a lot of time and energy into it here.

    A lot.

  57. theres oil in virginia says:

    Woodguy:
    More talk about trading for Brayden Schenn

    Here’s Schenn’s 5v5 pts/60 over his career:

    2011-2012 Season1.22 tied for 284th among NHL forwards
    2012-2013 Season1.41 tied for 199th among NHL forwards
    2013-2014 Season1.69 tied for 165th among NHL forwards
    2014-2015 Season1.20 tied for 233rd among NHL forwards

    That’s 3rd/4th line point production.

    Is it possible to filter those results by age? I wonder where he ranks within 23-25 year olds. He looks like an adequate player from here, nothing special, but an NHLer for sure.

  58. Yeti says:

    Woodguy: I’ll accept any bet of almost any size that they don’t make the playoffs.

    For fun, I’ll take you up.
    * If they fluke their way in, you write a poem, staged at the Calgary stampede, extolling your irrepressible licentious desires for mythical beasts. You would, of course, post it to these very pages.
    * If they fail to make it, I’ll record you a “Tribute to Woodguy’s Corgis” song as an mp3 with full band and composed in a style of your choosing: jazz, blues, funk, rock, whatever. The link will be delivered to this website.

    Deal?

  59. Marcus Oilerius says:

    Genjutsu: To be fair, some intelligent people put a lot of time and energy into it here.

    A lot.

    Fair point, but I doubt that if the community applied itself, it could consistently outsmart Nill, Lombardi, Bowman, et al. the way it does MacEakins. It is the incredible consistency with which they make judgment errors on roster and deployment decisions that is so frustrating.

  60. Woodguy says:

    theres oil in virginia: Is it possible to filter those results by age?I wonder where he ranks within 23-25 year olds.He looks like an adequate player from here, nothing special, but an NHLer for sure.

    Not 5v5 pts/60

    Hockey reference shows Schenn ranked 36th among forwars 22-24 years old last year in pts/gm

    You also need to remember that he’s getting DrySaddle type minutes.

    Easiest comp.

  61. Woodguy says:

    Yeti: For fun, I’ll take you up.
    * If they fluke their way in, you write a poem, staged at the Calgary stampede, extolling your irrepressible licentious desires for mythical beasts. You would, of course, post it to these very pages.
    * If they fail to make it, I’ll record you a “Tribute to Woodguy’s Corgis” song as an mp3 with full band and composed in a style of your choosing: jazz, blues, funk, rock, whatever. The link will be delivered to this website.

    Deal?

    Done and done.

    Book it!

  62. G Money says:

    Woodguy: Yeah, that’s happening to CAL right now.
    I’ll accept any bet of almost any size that they don’t make the playoffs.

    It absolutely is, and I was going to mention the Oilers going 7-2-1 to start the 2009 season – the season they ended up picking Taylor Hall.

    But I would be cautious about “bets of almost any size”.

    In finance, they have a saying: “the markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”

    In hockey, as Col and Tor proved, you could say: “a team can win with terrible Corsi longer than you can remain sane.”

  63. theres oil in virginia says:

    Woodguy,

    Yeah, I’m not disputing your conclusion. I’ve been playing around with Hockey Reference lately. Very neat site, but I didn’t see the option for 5×5 pts/60. You can sort by ES goals, and it paints roughly the same picture as above, which is not consistent with the memory of his value as an asset while with the Kings.

  64. russ99 says:

    I hope the Petry extension gets done, that would signify that the era of losing our players before FA at pennies on the dollar is done.

    The cap is going way up over the next 2-3 years by most estimations, so I think that’s why we’re paying a bit more than we should on RFAs.

  65. G Money says:

    Woodguy: Not 5v5 pts/60
    Hockey reference shows Schenn ranked 36th among forwars 22-24 years old last year in pts/gm
    You also need to remember that he’s getting DrySaddle type minutes.
    Easiest comp.

    Sheltered or not, the last three seasons, Schenn’s been at around 2.0 pts / 60 (that’s Taylor Hall territory on the Oilers) and has been a positive 5×5 CorsiRel two of the last three seasons.

    A useful player without a doubt.

    The issue isn’t whether to consider trading for him (he’s an NHL calibre C, of course the Oilers could use him), it’s just a matter of what you have to give up to get him.

  66. Woodguy says:

    G Money: Sheltered or not, the last three seasons, Schenn’s been at around 2.0 pts / 60 (that’s Taylor Hall territory on the Oilers) and has been a positive 5×5 CorsiRel two of the last three seasons.

    A useful player without a doubt.

    The issue isn’t whether to consider trading for him (he’s an NHL calibre C, of course the Oilers could use him), it’s just a matter of what you have to give up to get him.

    Schenn is in his 5th year in the NHL and still playing the most sheltered minutes.

    HIs age and production in Draisaitl type minutes and the fact that he’s not playing C on PHI are huge red flags.

  67. "Frank The Dog" says:

    How does Schenn’s stats pile up against Arco’s? I can’t look right now.

  68. Woodguy says:

    “Frank The Dog”:
    How does Schenn’s stats pile up against Arco’s? I can’t look right now.

    Arco hardly has a sample so it doesn’t mean much.

    1.84 last year
    0.84 this year

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