THRASHER

They were hiding behind hay bales,
They were planting in the full moon
They had given all they had for something new
But the light of day was on them,
They could see the thrashers coming
And the water shone like diamonds in the dew.

(Neil Young)

The team built with the Hall—Eberle—Nuge—Paajarvi cluster is not alive, and we can see the thrashers coming. By this time tomorrow, there’s every chance the Oilers will have their No. 2 center. A team that needs help everywhere but wing will address one need, hope for the best at G and D and we expect it’ll turn out the same. David Perron’s Oilers career is best reflected by the crossbar hit with 10 seconds to go: It should have been so much better, he deserved a more elevated place in Oilers lore.

I’ll have the Sail On post ready to go this afternoon.

anisimov

ARTEM FOR ARTEM’S SAKE

Artem Anisimov is a Russian center with a nice range of skills and enough offensive ability to play a complementary role with the dynamos. He’s 6.04, 200 and is a big presence, although he is not a physical player. Anisimov has skill but can play a two-way game and that’s good because he is prone to dry spells with the lumber. He’s 26, from Yaroslavl, and I’ve always liked him. Woodguy REALLY likes him.

VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER

blue jackets vollmanAnisimov is in the tougher quadrant with a blue bubble—good day sunshine!—and he’s always in that quadrant. Johansen gets the tougher opposition but Anisimov is facing <50% ZS’s and stout opponents too. He bubble is blue, which as you know is a very good thing.

  • Elliotte Friedman: Senior vice president of hockey operations Scott Howson attended the Blue Jackets’ 4-2 loss to Winnipeg Tuesday night, but that in itself is not newsworthy. He still lives in the area. But Howson obviously knows the Columbus roster and traded for Artem Anisimov, reportedly the key piece in a potential Jackets-Oilers deal. Source

ward trade 1ward trade twoward trade threeWard is connected, so this looks like a strong rumor that could tumble today. Elliotte Friedman’s piece (linked to above) suggests that Montreal, Ottawa and Pittsburgh are also in pursuit, and I always think it’s wise to throw Philadelphia into the conversation since they make so many damn trades. If the deal with Columbus is wider, I fear we may see Jack Johnson as an Oiler. There’s always been interest, this could be a blockbuster to end all blockbusters. Fedor Tyutin, on the other hand, would be welcomed.

 ABOUT LAST NIGHT

What can we say? Three terrible goals against and they lost by one. Taylor Hall’s 100th was a thing of beauty, really I can see why the Oilers don’t want to break up that top line. Having said that, the defense is so wobbly and the goaltending addled that the Oilers could trade for a G, D and C today and still not be right. It is to laugh. And the hit on Hall was filthy, should be a suspension. I’m not a violent person, and don’t believe Gazdic is going to have a career because the game is changing, but that’s the kind of thing I have no problem answering with extreme prejudice.

thomson observation

Yep. There’s not much left to say, is there? The Oilers ‘system’ is either faulty, their players are unable to handle it, or too complicated to remember. And for God’s sake can we go one freaking game without a soft GA? It’s beyond insane.

10 BEST, 2015 DRAFT

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Since it’s going to be the topic of conversation from now to June (le sigh), here are the 10 best names available in the 2015 draft. There are some hammer of the Gods players available this year.

  1. C Connor McDavid, Erie Otters (OHL) NHLE 82, 22-48-70. A generational talent, first real challenge to Sidney Crosby for player of the century.
  2. R Jack Eichel, Boston (NCAA) NHLE 82, 19-32-51. Speed, strength and skill in a wonderful package. Best consolation prize of your lifetime.
  3. C Dylan Strome, Erie Otters (OHL) NHLE 82, 20-35-55. Big, better version of his brother. Off the grid offense playing with two rookies.
  4. D Noah Hanifan, Boston College (NCAA) NHLE 82, 5-11-16. Wide range of skills, lots of glowing scouting reports.
  5. D Oliver Kylington, Farjestad (SEL) Two-way defender with terrific speed and an across the board skill set.
  6. C Nick Merkley, Kelowna (WHL). NHLE 82, 8-35-43. Powerful skater with plus playmaking ability.
  7. C Mitch Marner, London Knights (OHL) NHLE 82, 22-25-47. Tremendous skater, very skilled. Undersized. Trending.
  8. L Evgeni Svechnikov, Cape Breton Screaming Eagles (QMJHL). NHLE 82, 10-20-30. Sublime talent, can dominate games and is off to a tremendous start.
  9. C Mathew Barzal, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) NHLE 82, 11-17-28. Intelligent offensive player with exceptional passing ability and speed.
  10. C-L Pavel Zacha, Sarnia Sting (OHL) NHLE 82, 9-13-22. Huge forward with skill, work ethic and ability along the wall.

RocknRolla

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

10 this morning, TSN 1260. Bruce McCurdy begins the proceedings, I imagine there’s a fire burning there over last night’s result. We’ll follow it up with Nathan Dempsey from Vimy Hockey and “Ask the Coach”. We’ll discuss the difficulty of being an offensive blueliner and knowing when to pinch and when to keep your powder dry. At 11, Scott Cullen from TSN pops in and we’ll talk about the Columbus deal, and what part of the problem to address first for Edmonton. At 11:25, Alex Thomas from Oilers Rig joins the party, he saw Jack Eichel play last night and will give us a scouting report.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide_ on twitter. Talk soon!

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132 Responses to "THRASHER"

  1. Clay says:

    If it’s just Perron for Anisimov, I’ll consider that a win, especially since MacT is up against the wall here.

    If it’s Perron +, not so great.

    And for some reason, I just have this fear deep down in my cockles that the bigger the deal gets, the more likely mgmt finds a way to make a huge overpay. Call me cynical.

  2. smellyglove says:

    Been waiting for the post, sitting with a cup of coffee. Said to myself that I was done with the team this year. Couldn’t help myself.

    Some points:
    – we could stand to keep Perron, and add another of him. He’s 1/12th of the forwards but gives 6/12ths of the grit
    – while it’s a hockey trade, flipping Perron for speaking the truth is a bad precedent
    – Moar Russians? Could be a thing
    – Eichel is a winger…? Haven’t we learned yet?
    – Honestly, I’m attached to the team and not the players. If Edm pulled a CBJ (Nash) or a BOS (Thornton) and it ends up better for it, do we really care? Would this team look better sans Hall with a comparable D-man added to the back end and more balance?

  3. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    ” I’ve always liked him. Woodguy REALLY likes him.”

    Ha!

    https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/501455162876366848

    I think the bloom has come ever so slightly off the Arco rose for our friend.

  4. theres oil in virginia says:

    I fear we may see Jack Johnson as an Oiler

    I don’t fear this, except for Woodguy’s sake.

  5. FTO says:

    At least it if we somehow get McDavid or Eichel they are probably going to be even better than Hall when he started, McDavid certainly. We could reasonably expect a 60-90 point center depending which of the two we get, Whereas Hanifin would be interesting as it would force a trade of Marincin or Klefbom at some point unless they could head over to the right side with Nurse coming in hot here.

    Dylan Strome would definitely be #3 on my list though, his offensive potential seems through the damn roof.

    Also I would love a Perron-Anisimov Swap.

  6. zatch says:

    Bohologo,

    Germany is in, yes. They’d be playing somewhere anyway. IIHF hockey has the main division, then 5 more below it. When North Americans rip on the IIHFWC they often don’t realize it’s the biggest tournament avaialble to smaller countries, particularly places like Mexico, New Zealand, UAE, South Africa etc. Hell, UEFA is adopting a similar thing (every year, all countries in divisions, promotion/relegation).

    Clay,

    Would you be ok with Perron + 3rd or a B/C+ prospect?

  7. HBomb says:

    The thought of a Justin Schultz/Jack Johnson defensive pairing is the stuff of nightmares.

    Another overpaid bottom pairing D is the last thing this team needs.

  8. Rondo says:

    Howson knew Nikita Nikitin also.

    I’ve heard that Anisimov is not a well liked player in the dressing room. No idea if that is true.

  9. Bag of Pucks says:

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  10. FTO says:

    Rondo:
    Howson knew Nikita Nikitin also.

    I’ve heard that Anisimov is not a well liked player in the dressing room.No idea if that is true.

    Except that Anisimov has a much more established track record of quality play compared to Nikitin, we had to justify the deal for #86 based on his first year with Tyutin.

  11. commonfan14 says:

    I stopped reading after prospect #4, because, you know…

  12. frjohnk says:

    commonfan14:
    I stopped reading after prospect #4, because, you know…

    yup

  13. theres oil in virginia says:

    HBomb:
    The thought of a Justin Schultz/Jack Johnson defensive pairing is the stuff of nightmares.

    Another overpaid bottom pairing D is the last thing this team needs.

    Wait a second, I was assuming that Schultz would be going the other way if Johnson is coming this way. Is that not how the winds are blowing?

  14. KSC10032 says:

    Re Johnson — I wonder how much of his erratic play (especially his historically indifferent underlying numbers) is a by-product of his recently publicized financial/family issues?

    Just lobbing this “amateur psychologist” ball into play. I have no basis for an opinion either way. He is another player with a good draft pedigree and decent boxcar stats who has bounced around some, so,…

  15. BlacqueJacque says:

    You could cull the list of prospects down to the top 5, really.

    We’ve got a good shot at McDavid, an excellent shot at Eichel, and a pretty-much-fucking-guarantee at Hanafin/Strome.

  16. smellyglove says:

    D prospect update:

    Nurse 13GP 6G 9A 15P and +3 (how’d he look in the Subway Series?)
    Klefbom 9GP 1G 7A 8A and +10

  17. FTO says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    You could cull the list of prospects down to the top 10, really.

    We’ve got a good shot at McDavid, an excellent shot at Eichel, and a pretty-much-fucking-guarantee at Hanafin/Strome.

    I hate all this losing and shit but any of that top four would be fantastic.

  18. blainer says:

    This deal won’t change a thing if we still have Shultz and Filatov in the lineup combined with our superior goaltending…lol… Man if we can get McDavid than I really think things will change for the better.. Gonna be a long year though.

  19. Woodguy says:

    Here is a list of every NHL C from the start of last year until last night who:

    1) Has a negative Relative Offensive Zone start (starts behind the 8 ball)

    2) Has a positive RelCor. Despite starting behind the 8 ball, the team is better at out shooting the other team with him on the ice

    3) Has a 5v5 pts/60 of 1.75 or higher. 1.75pts/gm – 2pts/60 is “quality 2nd line producton, 2+ is 1st line and 2.5+ is very, very good)

    List sorted by toughest RelOZS

    EDIT: This is kinda tough to read

    NAME – 5V5 PTS/60 – OFFZS REL% – CORSI REL%

    Name P60 Off ZS %Rel Corsi Rel%
    Backes 1.77 -11.75 +1.5
    Bergeron 2.27 -10.94 +9.16
    Strome 2.22 -7.53 +3.1
    Nielsen 1.86 -7.26 +1.2
    Santorelli 1.86 -4.22 +1.2
    Turris 2.02 -4.15 +0.35
    Anisimov 1.78 -4.06 +1.72
    Stastny 2 -3.76 +3.38
    Steen 1.94 -3.14 +4.54
    Hanzal 1.88 -3.1 +0.36
    Thornton 2.44 -2.64 +6.87
    Grabovski 1.92 -2.52 +3.5
    Getzlaf 3.06 -2.2 +1.26
    Dubinsky 1.98 -2.19 +2.47

    That’s it.

    I want to have the babies of everyone on this list.

    NYI have 3 players on this list and Nelson *almost* made it, but just missed out due to pts/60. He’ll be on the list next year or later this year. They are going to be very good for a very long time.

    Looks like the Leafs did well to pick up Santorelli

    Bergeron’s +9 RelCor with a -10.94 RelZS is just the sickest thing in the NHL and then he puts 2.27 pts/60 5v5 on top of it. He’s probably the best C on the planet.

    STL has 2 players on the list and Sobatka just missed due to pts too. Oilers should trade a pick for his rights.

    This is a pretty exclusive list. Oilers would do very well to pick up Anisimov.

  20. sliderule says:

    smellyglove,

    Eichel played center at WJC.

    In the game I saw him in college he played center

    I don’t know were the winger info came from.

    LT?.

  21. Clay says:

    zatch:
    Bohologo,

    Germany is in, yes. They’d be playing somewhere anyway. IIHF hockey has the main division, then 5 more below it. When North Americans rip on the IIHFWC they often don’t realize it’s the biggest tournament avaialble to smaller countries, particularly places like Mexico, New Zealand, UAE, South Africa etc. Hell, UEFA is adopting a similar thing (every year, all countries in divisions, promotion/relegation).

    Clay,

    Would you be ok with Perron + 3rd or a B/C+ prospect?

    Not really. IMHO, Perron is already the best player in the deal, but the Oilers desperately need a C. Anything added by the Oilers is just a fleecing by CBJ.

  22. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy:
    Here is a list of every NHL C from the start of last year until last night who:

    1) Has a negative Relative Offensive Zone start (starts behind the 8 ball)

    2) Has a positive RelCor.Despite starting behind the 8 ball, the team is better at out shooting the other team with him on the ice

    3) Has a 5v5 pts/60 of 1.75 or higher.1.75pts/gm – 2pts/60 is “quality 2nd line producton, 2+is 1st line and 2.5+ is very, very good)

    List sorted by toughest RelOZS

    Name P60 Off ZS %Rel Corsi Rel%
    Backes 1.77 -11.75 +1.5
    Bergeron 2.27 -10.94 +9.16
    Strome 2.22 -7.53 +3.1
    Nielsen 1.86 -7.26 +1.2Santorelli 1.86 -4.22 +1.2
    Turris 2.02 -4.15 +0.35
    Anisimov 1.78 -4.06 +1.72
    Stastny 2 -3.76 +3.38
    Steen 1.94 -3.14 +4.54
    Hanzal 1.88 -3.1 +0.36
    Thornton 2.44 -2.64 +6.87
    Grabovski 1.92 -2.52 +3.5
    Getzlaf 3.06 -2.2 +1.26
    Dubinsky 1.98 -2.19 +2.47

    That’s it.

    I want to have the babies of everyone on this list.

    NYI have 3 players on this list and Nelson *almost* made it, but just missed out due to pts/60.He’ll be on the list next year or later this year.They are going to be very good for a very long time.

    Looks like the Leafs did well to pick up Santorelli

    Bergeron’s +9 RelCor with a -10.94 RelZS is just the sickest thing in the NHL and then he puts 2.27 pts/60 5v5 on top of it.He’s probably the best C on the planet.

    STL has 2 players on the list and Sobatka just missed due to pts too.Oilers should tradea pick for his rights.

    This is a pretty exclusive list.Oilers would do very well to pick up Anisimov.

    And his goal celebrations are awesome.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t0WZbWQ9B0

  23. blainer says:

    smellyglove:
    D prospect update:

    Nurse 13GP 6G 9A 15P and +3 (how’d he look in the Subway Series?)
    Klefbom 9GP 1G 7A 8A and +10

    I am really hoping to see Nurse rack up the points in the form of goals. He really has to get that blast from the point down in time for next season. He made need some time in the A but we’ll see. I really believe in this player and am optimistic he will be worth the wait. Now send DRY back..

  24. "Frank The Dog" says:

    I respect that we are weak at C and D and G but I’m suggesting that’s only 10% of the problem. The other 90% is what needs to be fix in order for this team not only to attract, but also not to ruin the 10% that they lack.

    I think the first step has been taken, by replacing Chabot. Very nice fellow, good eye for talent, liked a lot by his pupils – remember how DD spoke of him after he left? But as it happens Trotz nailed it with his coaching comment at the time, DD has proven him correct and shoved it where the sun don’t sign when he played us last time around.

    Some time back there was a blog? comment? about the Dallas Stars turning the corner only after they shipped out one of their top players to everyone’s surprise and some outrage. The theme of the story was that it turned out that this player, while having top end skills, was a cancer (negative presence) on the team, and once he was traded out (exorcised?) they never looked back.

    Logic tells me that there has been a constant of this team slacking off on the coach since MacT’s last year as coach, 2008/9. Pat Quinn (bless his soul) alluded to privileged players having too much say. But none of the players, coaches, nor assistants are still here today.

    We talk about how good a motivator Krueger was, and is, today, but the team quit on him too as they fell from playoff contention to an extended losing streak. Is there one year from 2008/9 onwards that has not had one or more extended losing streaks?

    The point being that until the 90% is fixed, all we are going to do is remain unattractive to anyone worth happen, lose our top players as they get the choice, and ruin those that suffer the misfortune of being drafted by or traded to this organization.

    I think many feel that Jultz is detrimental to this team, he’s certainly a prima donna who has been gifted minutes while others have been harshly treated (Nail says hello), and may have more deficiencies on D than his many points are worth. Taylor’s been pointed at, and so has Jordan Eberle.

    MacT has been pretty good with giving players who have asked out, their way. So it would not be surprising if Perron has recently done that. But I have seen all of the above good and occasionally bad, and with the little knowledge I have of what’s going on behind closed doors, I’m severely underqualified to put my finger on whatever has to be fixed.

    All I can say, is fix the 90% first and then the other 10% will be much easier to accomplish, Give me a low draft pick over another season of continued suck any day of any week this year.

    I’m sick of losing.

  25. Klima's_Bucket says:

    sliderule: I don’t know were the winger info came from.
    LT?.

    Maybe LT got his C-L-R mixed up with the new L-C-R he’s trying…

  26. smellyglove says:

    sliderule,

    LT’s listed him as R in his chart.

  27. commonfan14 says:

    Woodguy: Stastny 2 -3.76 +3.38

    Not nearly enough has been made of the fact that the Avs let him walk for nothing when all the signs were pointing to a first round elimination. I know everyone was excited about heading to the playoffs again, but yikes.

    What could he have fetched at the deadline?

  28. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    ” I’ve always liked him. Woodguy REALLY likes him.”

    Ha!

    https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/501455162876366848

    I think the bloom has come ever so slightly off the Arco rose for our friend.

    i was wrong about that for sure.

    Arco has failed to drive play like he did last year and his pts/60 fell off the earth.

    Danger of small sample sizes.

  29. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: STL has 2 players on the list and Sobatka just missed due to pts too. Oilers should trade a pick for his rights.

    I still can’t believe they let him walk.

    Playing pretty good in the K.

    http://en.khl.ru/stat/players/s1415/skaters/

    I see — “not an NHL player” — Linus Omark is once again scoring. Love that kid.

    And.. man, could the NHL use some Ilya. I miss him.

  30. raventalon40 says:

    LT,

    Which goalpost with 10 seconds left? Is that the Calgary game?

  31. frjohnk says:

    Is this rumor for real?

    Read Aaron Wards tweet more carefully.

    “ONE of the trade options EDM is looking at for David Perron is with Columbus Blue Jackets. EDM focus MAYBE on Artem Anisimov.”

    So Columbus is a possible trade partner and that possible trade partner might have a player that fits Edmonton needs. This looks more like speculation from Ward than an actual deal coming down the pipeline.

  32. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Woodguy: Hanzal 1.88 -3.1 +0.36

    Woodguy: I want to have the babies of everyone on this list.

    That Hanzal is so hot right now…

  33. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy,

    I wanted Santorelli. Thought he was a decent consolation if we lost out on the other Centernman.

  34. Hammers says:

    If it was a bigger deal I would be OK with it . Even Jack Johnson as long as it was for Nikitin . Actually I’m starting to wonder about Petry . We keep saying his our best “D” but i’m seeing simple mistakes nearly every game . Also would love Tyutin and have been saying that for 3 years but doubt that could be done . Obviously the teams we need to trade with are Columbus or Philly as there both in deep shit as well . $$$$$ need to match up .A.A maybe the right “C” for Yak at last and wouldn’t mind Hall on the other wing .If multi player deal maybe we see Klefbom & Pakirinen coming up .

  35. Clay says:

    Woodguy:
    Here is a list of every NHL C from the start of last year until last night who:

    1) Has a negative Relative Offensive Zone start (starts behind the 8 ball)

    2) Has a positive RelCor.Despite starting behind the 8 ball, the team is better at out shooting the other team with him on the ice

    3) Has a 5v5 pts/60 of 1.75 or higher.1.75pts/gm – 2pts/60 is “quality 2nd line producton, 2+is 1st line and 2.5+ is very, very good)

    List sorted by toughest RelOZS

    Name P60 Off ZS %Rel Corsi Rel%
    Backes 1.77 -11.75 +1.5
    Bergeron 2.27 -10.94 +9.16
    Strome 2.22 -7.53 +3.1
    Nielsen 1.86 -7.26 +1.2Santorelli 1.86 -4.22 +1.2
    Turris 2.02 -4.15 +0.35
    Anisimov 1.78 -4.06 +1.72
    Stastny 2 -3.76 +3.38
    Steen 1.94 -3.14 +4.54
    Hanzal 1.88 -3.1 +0.36
    Thornton 2.44 -2.64 +6.87
    Grabovski 1.92 -2.52 +3.5
    Getzlaf 3.06 -2.2 +1.26
    Dubinsky 1.98 -2.19 +2.47

    That’s it.

    I want to have the babies of everyone on this list.

    NYI have 3 players on this list and Nelson *almost* made it, but just missed out due to pts/60.He’ll be on the list next year or later this year.They are going to be very good for a very long time.

    Looks like the Leafs did well to pick up Santorelli

    Bergeron’s +9 RelCor with a -10.94 RelZS is just the sickest thing in the NHL and then he puts 2.27 pts/60 5v5 on top of it.He’s probably the best C on the planet.

    STL has 2 players on the list and Sobatka just missed due to pts too.Oilers should tradea pick for his rights.

    This is a pretty exclusive list.Oilers would do very well to pick up Anisimov.

    Surprised by Strome on this list – being so young. If his brother is the bigger, better version, and he is at best #3 on the draft list… good gord.

  36. leadfarmer says:

    Top 6 winger for a 3rd line center. We better not add. I do like Anisimov though and will be nice to get Gordon help with the heavy lifting

  37. TheOtherJohn says:

    Twitter is cooling off on the immediacy of a Anisomov trade this a.m.

    Well we certainly know what happens to a team who’s GM banks on 2 back up G, a 19 rookie C and has a D with no PP QB or shooter. You have teeth clenching panic and entertain trading key parts of your core. The time to fix your problem in goal and 2C & 3C was in the summer. We didn’t and are in a desperate situation.

    You “hope for the best and plan for the worst”. Could someone crochet that and send it to MacT to put on the front of his desk facing him every morning.

    Expect someone will comment on Fasth’s Sv%. He let in a non screened slap shot from 77 feet.

    Feel really sorry for Oiker fans. Have done absolutely nothing to deserve the shit show that is hockey operations for this team.

    I’m sure it’s Ray Ferraro’s fault

  38. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: i was wrong about that for sure.

    Arco has failed to drive play like he did last year and his pts/60 fell off the earth.

    Danger of small sample sizes.

    I think what happened (and I think it happens to all of us who take their spare time to look into something) is you looked at Arco really hard and found a lot of convincing evidence he can play in the NHL.

    I think you made that case and I think Arco through his NHL tenure (last season and this) has proved you more or less right on the money.

    It’s not a difference in kind we are dealing with, but one of degree. He’s a fine NHL player. But, he can’t cover off the hole the Oilers have.

    You maybe became a little too bullish on Arco through some kind of “weird identification with subject of study” deal we all fall prey to.

  39. leadfarmer says:

    I dont think CBJ is interested in Schultz. They have much better PP options. They definitely dont want Nikitin back.

  40. frjohnk says:

    Yeah, the Perron for Anisimov trade is just speculation on Wards part.

    · 51m 51 minutes ago

    #CBJ GM Jarmo Kekalainen says he’s having “regular talks” w other GMs, is not close to a trade.

    The root of the rumor is Wards tweets where he is speculating.

  41. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    frjohnk:
    Is this rumor for real?

    Read Aaron Wards tweet more carefully.

    “ONE of the trade options EDM is looking at for David Perron is with Columbus Blue Jackets.EDM focus MAYBE on Artem Anisimov.”

    So Columbus is a possible trade partner and that possible trade partner might have a player that fits Edmonton needs.This looks more like speculation from Ward than an actual deal coming down the pipeline.

    There’s a lot more than just Ward’s tweets though

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/oilers-perron-could-be-dealt-within-days/

    (linked by LT above).

    But, you are right. It could be anything. And Ward did break Iginla to the Bruins that one time.

  42. Kmart99 says:

    Not convinced Eichel is above Hall,Tavares,Stamkos,Kane group of first overalls.

    McDavid or trade it.

  43. Clay says:

    If the Oilers managed to swap Schultz for JJ, and gave JJ all the same minutes as Schultz got, would they be better / worse off? Anyone have opinions or fancystats that shed some light on this?

  44. linkfromhyrule says:

    frjohnk: This looks more like speculation from Ward than an actual deal coming down the pipeline

    That’s how I read it too. Staples (I think) posted an article saying “trade with CBJ in the works.” All the “insiders” had to say was lots of “maybe” and “could be.” Doesn’t sound at all for sure.

    Disappointing that Perron is the one to go. It’s unfortunate that he is the one that MacT doesn’t see as part of the cluster. He hasn’t been agitating the opposition as much this year (what’s the point, we’ll still lose anyway), but he’s still a skilled winger that can PO the opposition. Not many other wingers, except young nail, have any of that skill at all.

    I missed the game last night, but I thought I heard that Schultz got benched during the game. Is that actually true? Cause that would make me very happy

  45. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    I’m admittedly disappointed to see a player like Perron potentially shipped out. He came in guns blazing. Chippy, belligerent, yappy, skilled – what didn’t you like. This organizations culture seemingly bled the fight out of him and he just wasn’t the same this year. Anisimov style of play simply does not instill confidence in me that its a step forward regardless of whether we fill a 2C role. The rumored player swap feels a net negative to me. Lets not do this to Hendricks and Pouliot but the rest of this year and that managerial leadership is gonna test it.

  46. frjohnk says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: There’s a lot more than just Ward’s tweets though

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/oilers-perron-could-be-dealt-within-days/

    (linked by LT above).

    But, you are right. It could be anything. And Ward did break Iginla to the Bruins that one time.

    Perron is definitely on the market and the Blue Jackets are ONE of the few possible trade partners and that is why there is a rumor today, but the rumor is based on Wards speculation and that is all.

    But, it could all change within the hour.

  47. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 43m43 minutes ago
    Further to @Aportzline tweet, was told this am CLB is not at all keen on trading Anisimov. Good player.

  48. Woodguy says:

    Kmart99:
    Not convinced Eichel is above Hall,Tavares,Stamkos,Kane group of first overalls.

    McDavid or trade it.

    You’re wrong about Eichel.

    Here’s one comp:

    Toews pts/gm as NCAA div 1 rookie – 0.93pt/gm

    Eichel pts/gm as NCAA div 1 rookie – 1.73pts/gm (so far in 11 games)

    Both players 6’2″ ~200lbs

    Eichel is 6 months older than Toews when he was a rookie in NCAA

    1pt/gm as a 17/18 year old in NCAA is impressive as the league is full of 22-23 year olds.

    1.73pts/gm is flat out ridiculous.

  49. frjohnk says:

    Clay:
    If the Oilers managed to swap Schultz for JJ, and gave JJ all the same minutes as Schultz got, would they be better / worse off?Anyone have opinions or fancystats that shed some light on this?

    At least Johnson would give some bite to the blue line

    We must have the softest D in the league.

  50. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC43m43 minutes ago
    Further to @Aportzline tweet, was told this am CLB is not at all keen on trading Anisimov. Good player.

    WHY CAN’T WE HAVE NICE THINGS?????

  51. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    frjohnk: but the rumor is based on Wards speculation and that is all.

    No. It was based on Howson being in CBJ and various leaks.

    Ward, Friedman and McKenzie all reported on it.

    “There’s lots of talks going on between Edmonton and Columbus, as well as Edmonton and a lot of other teams. One of the things the Edmonton Oilers and Columbus Blue Jackets have been discussing and discussing seriously over the last little while is a trade that would send David Perron to Columbus, possibly in exchange for Artem Anisimov – a centre that would really help the Edmonton Oilers.”

    http://www.nicholsonhockey.com/worthreading/2014/11/23/the-frustration-tracker-nhl-insiders-on-the-edmonton-oilers

  52. Clay says:

    linkfromhyrule: That’s how I read it too. Staples (I think) posted an article saying “trade with CBJ in the works.” All the “insiders” had to say was lots of “maybe” and “could be.” Doesn’t sound at all for sure.

    It makes sense that “insiders” stick in the “maybe” caveats to 1) protect their own reputations in case a 99% sure deal dies at the last second and 2) to protect their inside sources.

    If you’re a media guy and you come out a day before a trade and say “I have it on good authority that player X is going for player Y…” then you’re putting at risk the job of the guy who leaked the info to you. Because I know for damn sure if I’m an NHL GM and a media person was saying this sort of stuff, the witch-hunt would be on for the guy doing the leaking…

  53. leadfarmer says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I’m sure Columbus is not at all keen on stuff like this being leaked out if at all true.

  54. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: WHY CAN’T WE HAVE NICE THINGS?????

    Because when we were kids our favorite team was the best team in the world. We have to pay for the salad days.

    Still… how many times have we seen “trades” that break in the media only to fizzle?

    Every day nearly.

    How many times have we seen GMs say they aren’t trading X player only to see him traded the next day?

    Basically everytime a GM speaks publicly about an event that hasn’t happened it is discussed as something that will not happen.

    ————
    My read on this…. Just be happy the Bergland rumors have been upgraded to Anisimov rumors. That’s a much better target and shows they may actually be aiming at the right range.

  55. Woodguy says:

    linkfromhyrule: That’s how I read it too. Staples (I think) posted an article saying “trade with CBJ in the works.” All the “insiders” had to say was lots of “maybe” and “could be.” Doesn’t sound at all for sure.

    Disappointing that Perron is the one to go. It’s unfortunate that he is the one that MacT doesn’t see as part of the cluster. He hasn’t been agitating the opposition as much this year (what’s the point, we’ll still lose anyway), but he’s still a skilled winger that can PO the opposition. Not many other wingers, except young nail, have any of that skill at all.

    I missed the game last night, but I thought I heard that Schultz got benched during the game. Is that actually true? Cause that would make me very happy

    Yes, benched for ~10 minutes after his awful change which led to the 2nd goal

  56. leadfarmer says:

    Just looked up some stats. Wennberg has 3 points on the season and is a -14 playing 14 min a night. I guess we’re not the only ones taking prospects and pushing them into the deep end.

  57. linkfromhyrule says:

    Matty tweeted that there’s no supplemental discipline on the Garbutt knee. I’m really glad the league only cares if somebody gets seriously injured. Definitely a reason for guys not to play dirty. /sarcasm

  58. Jon K says:

    Woodguy: You’re wrong about Eichel.

    Here’s one comp:

    Toews pts/gm as NCAA div 1 rookie – 0.93pt/gm

    Eichel pts/gm as NCAA div 1 rookie – 1.73pts/gm (so far in 11 games)

    Both players 6’2″ ~200lbs

    Eichel is 6 months older than Toews when he was a rookie in NCAA

    1pt/gm as a 17/18 year old in NCAA is impressive as the league is full of 22-23 year olds.

    1.73pts/gm is flat out ridiculous.

    Eichel is on pace to absolutely destroy Parise’s NCAA scoring record for a 17/18 year old rookie. He’s big and skates like Hall.

    Any other year he’d be a slam dunk for first overall. An incredible consolation prize.

    EDIT: He also plays in the best NCAA division, I understand.

  59. linkfromhyrule says:

    Woodguy: Yes, benched for ~10 minutes after his awful change which led to the 2nd goal

    Well, it’s not a HS but I’ll take it!

  60. blainer says:

    leadfarmer:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I’m sure Columbus is not at all keen on stuff like this being leaked out if at all true.

    Actually if I were a GM of either one of these teams I would start the rumors myself by having one of my employees leak that I was close to a trade. In that way it may drive up the value against one of the other suitors knowing they may lose a player they really want. Just smart negotiating. This may be the case on the latest from Columbus in order to drive up A.A.’s value.. We wait..

  61. Pouzar says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 43m43 minutes agoFurther to @Aportzline tweet, was told this am CLB is not at all keen on trading Anisimov. Good player.

    They may well love him. But he is a UFA after next year and they are loaded at Center. It’s a perfect time to trade from a position of strength and to grab a scoring winger. Just by virtue of getting healthy they will be a playoff team in the East next year.

  62. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    linkfromhyrule:
    Matty tweeted that there’s no supplemental discipline on the Garbutt knee. I’m really glad the league only cares if somebody gets seriously injured. Definitely a reason for guys not to play dirty. /sarcasm

    The NHL has always cared more about optics and injury and their powers to divine “intent” than they have about actually weeding out reckless behavior.

  63. Woodguy says:

    Clay: y

    NYI developed Strome nice and slow.

    Was the 5th pick in the RNH draft.

    Just started to see regular NHL duty last year.

    RNH is already done his ELC, Strome has a year left on his ELC after this year.

    Because Oilers.

  64. Woodguy says:

    Jon K: Eichel is on pace to absolutely destroy Parise’s NCAA scoring record for a 17/18 year old rookie. He’s big and skates like Hall.

    Any other year he’d be a slam dunk for first overall. An incredible consolation prize.

    This all day long.

    Parise scored 39gp 26g 35a 61pts = 1.56pts/gm

  65. rubbertrout says:

    Woodguy,

    Hey man, for a guy who has a tough time coming up with ideas and content for the Woodblog you’ve got the makings of a pretty good post right there. While I love seeing this stuff in the comments here you could very easily up your blog content with gems like this.

  66. McSorley33 says:

    At this point, do people really want Mac T to fix a glaring hole at C or G or D?
    ( If you have to type that many needs – you should ask Mac T some questions )

    Those top 4 names on the draft board are team changing players…..

    I have long ago been resigned to the season being lost.

    I believe the scouts when they talk about McDavid and Eichel are *GENERATIONAL* talents.

    I *would* be comforted by Eichel, RNH and Drai playing centre for our team in the near future.

    And dare to dream – we actually find a stud in the 2nd round of the draft.

  67. Jon K says:

    Woodguy: This all day long.

    Parise scored 39gp 26g 35a 61pts = 1.56pts/gm

    Looking back on it and using what we know of NHL equivalencies, it boggles the mind that so many teams passed on Parise.

  68. linkfromhyrule says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: The NHL has always cared more about optics and injury and their powers to divine “intent” than they have about actually weeding out reckless behavior.

    It’s a short-sighted and moronic viewpoint. The stars are why we watch the game, not to see the Matt Cooke’s and Garbutt’s of the world cheap shot said stars.

  69. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: This all day long.

    Parise scored 39gp 26g 35a 61pts = 1.56pts/gm

    Well, he’s no Paul Kariya, lol.

    Have to be a little bit careful on ppg alone, after all JVR, Kessel, Vanek all put up better numbers than Toews, and would you take any of those three guys ahead of him?

    Eichel looks like the real deal though. I wonder if he would want to play in Canada.

  70. Jon K says:

    Pouzar: They may well love him. But he is a UFA after next year and they are loaded at Center. It’s a perfect time to trade from a position of strength and to grab a scoring winger. Just by virtue of getting healthy they will be a playoff team in the East next year.

    They know this. Not wanting to part with the player is classic negotiating. Everyone knows the Oilers are beyond desperate for what Anisimov brings.

  71. su_dhillon says:

    Let say Yost and LT get there wish and OTT and Oilers make a deal and it’s a big deal that gets you a goalie and a C, which payer is more attractive to Oilers Zibanejad or Lazar?

  72. RMGS says:

    linkfromhyrule: It’s a short-sighted and moronic viewpoint. The stars are why we watch the game, not to see the Matt Cooke’s and Garbutt’s of the world cheap shot said stars.

    The NHL has always been a reactionary syndicate, and the NHLPA is not much better. The only thing likely to change things is legal action.

  73. Aitch says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Yup…and on a smaller level you can see it too. The only time they call slashing anymore is if a stick gets broken. Otherwise, have fun! But hooking… well, if your stick blade looks like it might have tugged at a guy in the slightest of ways… you are evil and should sit for 2 minutes.

  74. Cameron says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Woodguy: WHY CAN’T WE HAVE NICE THINGS?????
    Because when we were kids our favorite team was the best team in the world. We have to pay for the salad days.

    From my perspective, the karmic debt owed for Gretzky-Messier-Coffey-Kurri is only just being scratched.

  75. spoiler says:

    Jon K: EDIT: He also plays in the best NCAA division, I understand.

    Not sure that’s the case, but it is always tough to tell in collegiate hockey.

    As far as present poll rankings go, Hockey East has #1, 4, 12 and 13th ranked teams.
    National Collegiate as #2, 5, 8, 10, & 11th,

    Pretty darn close.

  76. spoiler says:

    Jon K: Looking back on it and using what we know of NHL equivalencies, it boggles the mind that so many teams passed on Parise.

    Great draft year though, and Getzlaf went two slots after Parise. Other than Jessiman, the only other player taken in the top 22 not to hit 200 NHL games was some kid named Marc Pouliot. The only other player taken in the top 22 not to hit 300 games, besides those two, was a guy the Oilers traded for… Robare Nilsson.

    The two guys taken immediately after Pouliot, both have over 675 NHL games and over 400 points each… Ryan Kesler and Mike Richards.

    Pretendergast was busy nailing his coffin tightly shut, but it would still take the Plante-Nash eff up to bury him.

  77. hankster says:

    commonfan14:
    I stopped reading after prospect #4, because, you know…

    LOL. this is why I come here.
    and ” this is as lowe as we go” needed to be done like at least 2 yrs ago.
    hoping for this ship to turn by trading players is simply being in denial, delusional…something leaf fans wouldn’t even do in the Ballard days.
    real change must be done up top now to keep our sanity.

  78. Woodguy says:

    rubbertrout:
    Woodguy,

    Hey man, for a guy who has a tough time coming up with ideas and content for the Woodblog you’ve got the makings of a pretty good post right there.While I love seeing this stuff in the comments here you could very easily up your blog content with gems like this.

    Yeah, but I like my stuff to get read so I post it here.

    🙂

    Every time I go to make a post over there it takes a while.

    These quick hits are easy to churn out.

    I appreciate the kind words sir.

  79. Jon K says:

    spoiler,

    Agreed, great draft year.

    Sadly, as we approach the 5 year mark for Stu’s drafts I’m not very convinced our drafting in North America, or as a whole, has improved much.

    Especially when you discount the Eberle pick as one they would have made regardless of Stu.

    http://www.canada.com/story_print.html?id=592f9a48-35a7-49c5-9fa0-e371db0a3c23&sponsor=

  80. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy: Yeah, but I like my stuff to get read so I post it here.

    Every time I go to make a post over there it takes a while.

    These quit hits are easy to churn out.

    I appreciate the kind words sir.

    You would be a great fit on oilers nation. They have some great writers but few use advanced stats as well as you do. You would give that site another dimension.

    Don’t always agree with you, but your comments are very thoughtful and I enjoy your blog.

    Go Woodguy
    *clap clap*

  81. "Frank The Dog" says:

    McSorley33:
    At this point, do people really want Mac T to fix a glaring hole at C or G or D?
    ( If you have to type that many needs – you should ask Mac T some questions )

    Those top 4 names on the draft board are team changing players…..

    I have long ago been resigned to the season being lost.

    I believe the scouts when they talk about McDavid and Eichel are *GENERATIONAL* talents.

    I *would* be comforted by Eichel, RNH and Drai playing centre for our team in the near future.

    And dare to dream – we actually find a stud in the 2nd round of the draft.

    We don’t need more exotic talent thrown into the dumpster tire fire. We need generational talent at the Coaching level to put the fires out and turn the team around.

  82. Ben says:

    I know they’re waiting to announce something they can put a positive spin on, but it’s absolutely ASTOUNDING that – considering the turmoil surrounding this team – we haven’t heard from anyone in management for weeks.

    I mean, at least trot Howson out to deliver some bland “working around the clock; looking at all of our options” quote. Continued radio silence in this context seems almost as passive aggressive as it does bizarre.

  83. Woodguy says:

    spoiler: Great draft year though, and Getzlaf went two slots after Parise.Other than Jessiman, the only other player taken in the top 22 not to hit 200 NHL games was some kid named Marc Pouliot.The only other player taken in the top 22 not to hit 300 games, besides those two, was a guy the Oilers traded for… Robare Nilsson.

    The two guys taken immediately after Pouliot, both have over 675 NHL games and over 400 points each…Ryan Kesler and Mike Richards.

    Pretendergast was busy nailing his coffin tightly shut, but it would still take the Plante-Nash eff up to bury him.

    This is why the Oilers are where they are now.

    Traded away best players they got from 2002 draft (Stoll, Greene) and whiffed on 1st (Niinimaki)

    Whiffed in 2003

    Whiffed in 2004 except Doobie

    Traded away 1st rounder from 2005 (Cogs)

    Its the players from these years that make up the core on other teams.

    Then to add injury to insult they whiffed on all 3 (3 ASSETS!) they got for Smyth (although Bananahammock is included in the 2004 whiff)

    A complete whiff in 2003, almost complete whiff

    Drafting like shit and giving away your better players can devastate a franchise.

    Who knew?

  84. Jon K says:

    Sure sounds like the GM during those years was incompetent, or perhaps unqualified for his position. Someone that proficient in wasting resources surely wouldn’t be trusted with a rebuild.

  85. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy: This is why the Oilers are where they are now.Traded away best players they got from 2002 draft (Stoll, Greene) and whiffed on 1st (Niinimaki)Whiffed in 2003 Whiffed in 2004 except DoobieTraded away 1st rounder from 2005 (Cogs)Its the players from these years that make up the core on other teams.Then to add injury to insult they whiffed on all 3 (3 ASSETS!) they got for Smyth (although Bananahammock is included in the 2004 whiff)A complete whiff in 2003, almost complete whiff Drafting like shit and giving away your better players can devastate a franchise.Who knew?

    This.

    Our greatest way out of this mess is drafting and development and slowly but surely we have started a stable of kid sin OKC.

  86. Rondo says:

    LT,

    Kevin Lowe would have resigned if he was serious about it, he knew that Daryl would not fire him, this was theatre .

  87. Clay says:

    Pouzar: This.

    Our greatest way out of this mess is drafting and development and slowly but surely we have started a stable of kid sin OKC.

    “Kid sin”? Freudian.

    They’ve started to draft better kids, but are still being reckless with some of them (Yak, Drai, maybe RNH). The handling of Nurse gives some hope, on the other hand.

  88. Pouzar says:

    Clay: “Kid sin”? Freudian.They’ve started to draft better kids, but are still being reckless with some of them (Yak, Drai, maybe RNH). The handling of Nurse gives some hope, on the other hand.

    It’s a SIN!!!!!

  89. OilClog says:

    I hate to say this, but until Ryan Strome is actually taking faceoffs and playing the Center position, he’s a winger. He’s not a man up the middle, he’s a man on the boards, until that changes, he’s a damn winger.

  90. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: This is why the Oilers are where they are now.

    Traded away best players they got from 2002 draft (Stoll, Greene) and whiffed on 1st (Niinimaki)

    Whiffed in 2003

    Whiffed in 2004 except Doobie

    Traded away 1st rounder from 2005 (Cogs)

    Its the players from these years that make up the core on other teams.

    Then to add injury to insult they whiffed on all 3 (3 ASSETS!) they got for Smyth (although Bananahammock is included in the 2004 whiff)

    A complete whiff in 2003, almost complete whiff

    Drafting like shit and giving away your better players can devastate a franchise.

    Who knew?

    100% agreed.

  91. bendelson says:

    It’s always fun/impressive to look back at how the gang here circles an issue, breaks it down, and comes up with a reasonable solution(s).

    Anisimov has been discussed at length as a reasonable trade for Perron since… well, a quick search takes ME (thanks LT) back to at least July 2nd but it does go back further than that…

    It was a solid move in the summer that didn’t happen.
    It was quite possibly delayed (as mentioned) in TC by the string of CLB injuries (and that holdout).
    It remains a good trade today.

  92. Woodguy says:

    su_dhillon:
    Let say Yost and LT get there wish and OTT and Oilers make a deal and it’s a big deal that gets you a goalie and a C, which payer is more attractive to Oilers Zibanejad or Lazar?

    Lazar and it’s not close.

    Won’t happen.

    They see him as the next Alfie (with less offence).

    They’re talking about him as captain in a few years already.

  93. The Great Gazoo says:

    Some interesting quotes from this LeBrun article: http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/tag/_/name/lebruns-rumblings-11-26-2014


    Kekalainen told Columbus beat writer Aaron Portzline on Wednesday morning that although he’s having regular trade talks with other GMs, he was not close to a trade.

    As another rival executive suggested, is the smartest thing at this point not just to take a knee and get in the lottery chase given this year’s draft class?

    I would love to know which rival exec said that.

  94. Магия 10 says:

    bendelson: It’s always fun/impressive to look back at how the gang here circles an issue, breaks it down, and comes up with a reasonable solution(s).

    Any you should see our “solutions” for Eakins, Mac-T, and Kevin Lowe. Working on the WHMIS labels right now.

    Hope Jultz is not the last to get his first rest. Buy in to fundamentals is the only currency the coach can work with to make progress with what he’s got and where they are.

  95. Woodguy says:

    OilClog:
    I hate to say this, but until Ryan Strome is actually taking faceoffs and playing the Center position, he’s a winger. He’s not a man up the middle, he’s a man on the boards, until that changes, he’s a damn winger.

    He was full time C last year.

    He’s playing with Nelson and Anders now.

    Last game he took 4 draws and Nelson took 6.

    I get your point but the majority of the data came from last year and he was full time C in his 37 games last year and about 50% this year.

  96. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk: You would be a great fit on oilers nation.They have some great writers but few use advanced stats as well as you do. You would give that site another dimension.

    Don’t always agree with you, but your comments are very thoughtful andI enjoy your blog.

    Go Woodguy
    *clap clap*

    I appreciate that thank you.

    I could never write for another site as I would never make a deadline.

    When I write long form it takes a long time and my spare time is variable at best.

    I have 6 posts in draft form right now because I’m rarely satisfied with what I write. I’d never make a deadline.

    Daily comments at LT’s are fun, but takes very little time.

    Also,

    Matt Henderson (@archeology) just started at ON.

    His stuff is very, very good and he often writes what I was thinking about writing, except he does it better.

  97. vangolf says:

    Re: Draft

    What are people’s thoughts on swapping 1st rounders with Buffalo. It sends a great message (okay maybe not great, but better) to both fanbases and the league that they are not tanking while reserving a plum spot at the top of the draft.

  98. Old School G says:

    The Florida Panthers are 6 points up on us with 3 games in hand.

  99. godot10 says:

    1) The Oilers have to stop the damn leaking to the media. If you want to be able to make trades, shut the eff up.

    2) I’m willing to bet a loonie that Katz is going to be forced to choose between Lowe/MacT and McDavid/Eichel. I think the agents for McDavid and Eichel will read the riot act to Katz and Bettman.

    3) The Oilers have screwed up the development of Yakupov and Schultz, and are well on their way with Draisaitl. Schultz QO is $3.6 million, so he is sitting pretty. Pay me or trade me or left me walk. With the handling of Yakupov this year, I cannot see how he stays and signs a new contract if Eakins is still the coach (and perhaps even if MacT is GM). Larionov will likely look for a one year deal in the KHL, and force the Oilers hand.

    4) And to top off the disaster, Jeff Petry is a UFA.

    5) MacT’s pride seems to be too strong to admit to the mistake of being conned by the darksider he hired to coach the team.

    6) From Friedman’s 30 thoughts.

    “17. During a Saturday morning chat, Mike Babcock was asked about the top teams in the league. He grabbed the daily stat sheet and circled the five with the best goal differential — Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, Chicago, Nashville and St. Louis. “There you go,” he said. Note to NHL: Babcock thinks that statistic should be on the front of the package. It’s on Page Two.”

    Eakins, 1st year, GD -67 in 82 games, 270 GA. (-0.817 GD/game, 3.29 GAA)
    Eakins, 2nd year, GD -25 in 21 games, 74 GA. (-1.19 GD/game, 3.52 GAA)

  100. Washingtron says:

    Hey genius friends!

    I missed the second half of the game last night (because… line change) and I was confused by today’s post (because… drinking thanks to line change)

    Is Hall hurt? What happened on that check?

    Was Schultz punished for said line change?

  101. Cameron says:

    So, first the good news;

    The Oilers for all their warts, are a better team than their record shows, and, IMO, trending in the right direction.

    If MacT can spackle over the #2C (Anisimov trade), and/or add a D-man or Goaltender, I predict that a combination of regression back to the norm for EvSv%, and improved attitude in the room (when a few wins in a row happen), and the Oilers will win enough games to miss both the playoffs and catching the Flames in the standings. They will also pull far enough away from last place to make the discussions here more about the relative merits of Oliver Kylington than Jack Eichel.

    Or, MacT could make a deal that sends Petry and Perron to Clb for J.Johnson, cuz I legit could see that happen.

    In which case, enjoy Eichel.

  102. Woodguy says:

    Old School G:
    The Florida Panthers are 6 points up on us with 3 games in hand.

    Florida was 19th last year in Score Adjusted Fernwick, 30th in PDO, finished 29th

    This year they are 19th in Score Adjusted Fenwick (again), 17th in PDO,.

    The result is they are 19th in Points% (only “true” standings when teams have played a disparate number of games)

    FLA’s 5v5 SV% went from 30th to 3rd with the addition of Luongo

    PDO matters.

    This year the Oilers are 20th in Score adjusted Fenwick and 30th in the PDO……..

  103. Woodguy says:

    Washingtron:
    Hey genius friends!

    I missed the second half of the game last night (because… line change) and I was confused by today’s post (because… drinking thanks to line change)

    Is Hall hurt?What happened on that check?

    Was Schultz punished for said line change?

    Hall finished the game.

    Jultz was sat for 10min in the 2nd according to the official score sheet,

  104. Doug McLachlan says:

    Cameron,

    Eichel? You mean Strome, because #Oilers.

  105. Captain Smarmy says:

    godot10:
    1) The Oilers have to stop the damn leaking to the media.If you want to be able to make trades, shut the eff up.

    Edmonton MSM is always floating trade ideas that sometimes go national. I’m not sure but it almost seems like the Oilers throw trade scenarios out there to gauge what fans think. I remember lots of back and forth about Yakupov Vs. Murray that almost felt like they were testing the waters.

    But that can’t be it because then you’d have to think they have no idea what they’re doing and that’s not simply possible for an NHL front office is it?

    ALso, Jack Johnson being an Oiler is one of Woodguy’s “I quit” scenarios.

  106. Ryan says:

    Woodguy: I appreciate that thank you.

    I could never write for another site as I would never make a deadline.

    When I write long form it takes a long time and my spare time is variable at best.

    I have 6 posts in draft form right now because I’m rarely satisfied with what I write. I’d never make a deadline.

    Daily comments at LT’s are fun, but takes very little time.

    Also,

    Matt Henderson (@archeology) just started at ON.

    His stuff is very, very good and he often writes what I was thinking about writing, except he does it better.

    That’s funny that you said that. Gmoney’s the reason I stopped posting here. 90% of the time, he does a better job of writing what I’m thinking than I do–the other 10% of the time, well, I want to slap him upside the head for not writing what I’m thinking. :). Either way, he makes me feel redundant lol.

  107. PaperDesigner says:

    Woodguy: Florida was 19th last year in Score Adjusted Fernwick, 30th in PDO,finished 29th

    This year they are 19th in Score Adjusted Fenwick (again), 17th in PDO,.

    The result is they are 19th in Points% (only “true” standings when teams have played a disparate number of games)

    FLA’s 5v5 SV% went from 30th to 3rd with the addition of Luongo

    PDO matters.

    This year the Oilers are 20th in Score adjusted Fenwick and 30th in the PDO……..

    So we’re only Roberto Frickin’ Luongo away from being Florida? Fantastic.

  108. linkfromhyrule says:

    Guess it was much ado about nothing w/ regards to Garbutt. Principe & Player safety just tweeted that he will have a hearing tomorrow. Thank goodness.

    I wonder how Schultz is viewed by the rest of the dressing room. Seems like he’s friends with the young guns, but they can’t be blind to how much of a liability he has been, right?

  109. Adam Wu says:

    re: “darksider”

    Using a term whose most well-known cultural association is with a pair of genocidal maniacs is, I think, not very appropriate for describing the coach of a hockey team, even one you happen to despise.

    Particularly when said term, in its most popular cultural association, is also linked with a terrifying degree of competence.

  110. Cameron says:

    Adam Wu,

    Come to the darkside Adam, we have wins.

  111. Madtown Oil says:

    I’ve jumped on board hoping for a big trade–but not sure why everyone is so set on a new C.

    IMHO, the Oil will not turn things around as long as they have Schultz, Ference, and NN all playing on this team. I guess I’m skeptical that even an outstanding new C could help overcome those three liabilities.

    And what scares the crap out of me is that it is easy to see management going with all three again next year, which means that not only is this year lost, but so is next year.

    And if they don’t resolving the liabilities on D this year, it makes it very difficulty to fully evaluate how much of hole they have in goal.

    Trade Schultz and Ebs/Perron for an outstanding young D and a good C.

  112. jb says:

    If the one player demanding accountability on-ice is dealt I’m done with this team for the season. Reconsider in the off-season maybe.

  113. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Adam Wu:
    re: “darksider”

    Using a term whose most well-known cultural association is with a pair of genocidal maniacs is, I think, not very appropriate for describing the coach of a hockey team, even one you happen to despise.

    Particularly when said term, in its most popular cultural association, is also linked with a terrifying degree of competence.

    People on this blog were using it in reference to a comment or blog about how Dallas, years ago, traded away their top player, a move that nobody understood at the time, and after than went on to win the Stanley Cup. iirc the coach or GM wrote (in his memoirs?) that the player he traded was a top end player, but a “darksider” in that he tended to lower the mood of the rest of the team, and once he was gone the whole demeanour of the team changed.
    Others with better memory than me may want to correct/add details to this.
    fwiw

  114. "Frank The Dog" says:

    jb:
    If the one player demanding accountability on-ice is dealt I’m done with this team for the season. Reconsider in the off-season maybe.

    What if David’s as done as you are and has asked for a trade behind closed doors? That’s a bit different from being shipped out because he demanded accountability from the coaches.

  115. RexLibris says:

    Cameron: So, first the good news;

    The Oilers for all their warts, are a better team than their record shows, and, IMO, trending in the right direction.

    If MacT can spackle over the #2C (Anisimov trade), and/or add a D-man or Goaltender, I predict that a combination of regression back to the norm for EvSv%, and improved attitude in the room (when a few wins in a row happen), and the Oilers will win enough games to miss both the playoffs and catching the Flames in the standings. They will also pull far enough away from last place to make the discussions here more about the relative merits of Oliver Kylington than Jack Eichel.

    You underestimate the power of the Hockey Gords. They punish with the promise that they afterwards reward, only to reveal that the reward was, in fact, more punishment.

    The Oilers will draft McDavid…

    …who will then injure both shoulders whilst donning the jersey onstage, requiring extensive surgery and a year’s worth of rehab.

  116. godot10 says:

    Taylor Hall is signed long term. Jordan Eberle is signed long term. Hopefully, Yakupov will be developed and sign a new contract. The Oilers control his NHL rights for 4 more years. Pouliot is signed for four more years for full value.

    Perron is a UFA after next season. There may just not be enough cap room for another $5 million something winger with all those other players signed or under control long term. Too many highly paid players at one position.

    Since the Oilers moved backwards in actual results, and not forwards, under MacT and Eakins, and with the Pouliot signing, Perron doesn’t fit in unless one of the above is traded. And it becomes chicken and egg. It is dangerous to trade a player you have signed long term, before you’ve re-signed Perron. But the value of the player you would trade is likely devalued in the trade market if you sign Perron before trading the other player, because other GM’s can add and subtract and see your cap situation.

    The Oilers have a lot of potential replacements developing in OKC or junior, wingers and/or centers who can start on wing…Khaira, Yakimov, Pakarinen, Hamilton, PItlick, Moroz, Chase, Roy

  117. hunter1909 says:

    Here is the current overall scoring position of Edmonton’s “core” under MacChickenhawk:

    Eberle 70th
    RNH 86th
    Hall 99th(pro rated 45th)
    Schultz 187th
    Perron 190th
    Yakupov 270th

    Katz, Lowe, MacT, Eakins = NHL laughingstock.

  118. wunderbar says:

    RexLibris: You underestimate the power of the Hockey Gords.

    Ah, those Hockey Gords. Always underestimated.

  119. Woodguy says:

    Listened to LT’s show today.

    Apparently Eichel may be dead set on playing a second year at Boston College where he is God.

    Can you imagine the Oilers drafting Eichel and he refuses to sign right away and goes back to college?

    It will therefore happen.

  120. Hammers says:

    Just heard Davidson say we have $32 million in player injuries right now and there is no sense making trades . He was on Bob McGowan’s show . So forget Ansiminov . Neil Smith also said when talking about the Oilers that sometimes you have to do nothing . Biggest problem for the Oilers being nobody other than Marincin is playing for them that isn’t the Oilers own 2nd round choice or lower . Look at all the good teams , they all have 2nd ,3rds playing for them. He also said its tough to trade a Yakipov who may go on to be a 45 goal scorer for another team . McT is probably being told fine on a trade but we want Hall or Eberle etc etc . Basically the Oilers are F—— right now . Feel it was probably that way last year as well . VERY interesting comments .

  121. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy:
    Listened to LT’s show today.

    Apparently Eichel may be dead set on playing a second year at Boston College where he is God.

    Can you imagine the Oilers drafting Eichel and he refuses to sign right away and goes back to college?

    It will therefore happen.

    For him it might be..

    Boston College = Heaven
    Edmonton = do I even have to write it?

  122. spoiler says:

    Eichel goes to BU not BC.

  123. Hammers says:

    Also good points on coaching today . Kiprisoff said yea Oilers are getting Bad Goaltending but the line changes , 3 on 2’s 2 on 1’s . McLean said there were 13 outnumbered rushes . The word Apathetic was used as related to the players and there system, Kipper says most of that is always on coaching and systems being used . He had no excuses for Eakins . Boy the Oilers are being talked about today .

  124. godot10 says:

    Woodguy:
    Listened to LT’s show today.

    Apparently Eichel may be dead set on playing a second year at Boston College where he is God.

    Can you imagine the Oilers drafting Eichel and he refuses to sign right away and goes back to college?

    It will therefore happen.

    The first shot gets fired. I half-expected that McDavid and Eichel were going to dictate terms of their signing with the NHL.

    Conor McDavid will probably go on a Swedish vacation scouting SEL teams, rather than go to the draft.

    McDavid and Eichel are not going to subject themselves to the whims of the draft lottery. Bettman and bottom-feeding NHL owners like Katz and Pagula are going to be dictated to by 18-year old kids.

    I don’t think McDavid or Eichel will ever sign with the Oilers if Lowe and MacT are in charge.

    Katz has to fumigate the house now. He has to be proactive because the McDavid and Eichel camps are going to be proactive.

  125. McSorley33 says:

    D. Dreger on Winnipeg radio – said Mac T was chasing a goalie. Hard. Not any goalie – more of an up and coming goalie.

    Asked if Eakins was on the ‘hot seat’ – Daren Dreger said Mac T is firmly behind Eakins. However, he then qualified himself to say – whether other management above Craig shares that same opinion he has no idea. ( paraphrasing )

    Almost seems to insinuate what others here have been saying for a long time. Mac T may not have a completely free hand in these affairs.

  126. McSorley33 says:

    Hammers:
    Also good points on coaching today . Kiprisoff said yea Oilers are getting Bad Goaltending but the line changes , 3 on 2’s 2 on 1’s . McLean said there were 13 outnumbered rushes . The word Apatheticwas used as related to the players and there system, Kipper says most of that is always on coaching and systems being used . He had no excuses for Eakins . Boy the Oilers are being talked about today .

    Same here in Winnipeg -local media in Columbus and today Buffalo….Oilers are on top of peoples conversations…and not for good reasons. I think a lot of people are truly bewildered at this team.

  127. "Steve Smith" says:

    What this team really needs is a great Grand Canyon rescue episode, if you know what I mean.

    (If you know what I mean, please let me know.)

  128. Lowetide says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    What this team really needs is a great Grand Canyon rescue episode, if you know what I mean.

    (If you know what I mean, please let me know.)

    Ha! I love that song.

  129. Магия 10 says:

    “Steve Smith”: What this team really needs is a great Grand Canyon rescue episode, if you know what I mean.
    (If you know what I mean, please let me know.)

    Wow. Like it was yesterday even if I was 8.
    (We could call it Coach Who Loses Way)

  130. jb says:

    “Frank The Dog”: What if David’s as done as you are and has asked for a trade behind closed doors? That’s a bit different from being shipped out because he demanded accountability from the coaches.

    At some point a smart man should abandon a sinking ship. We need changes from the top. We need more Perrons’. We need a new reason to believe.

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