KLEFBOM IS THE BOMB

Size, speed and calm feet. Oscar Klefbom played 24 minutes (again) last night and in 35 shifts turned away dozens of sorties with aplomb. On an Edmonton Oilers team where chaos rules from the blue line in, square-jawed Oscar sliced through the enemy advance like a seasoned warrior. And the crowd was well pleased and knew what they were seeing: 24 minutes a night when their sphincters would not be in a fright. Thanks Stu MacGregor, probably a good idea to put Oscar on your resume.

Connor McDavid of the Erie Otters. Photo by Aaron Bell/OHL Images

The hype surrounding McDavid, Eichel and Hanifan obscures a strong ‘group of five’ emerging in the race for spots in the 2015 Top 10 overall. It’s a strong year for the OHL, NCAA and the WHL at the top of this year’s draft.

TOP 10 DRAFT PROSPECTS,  2015

  1. C Connor McDavid, Erie Otters (OHL) Insane talent, franchise cornerstone, empire builder.
  2. C Jack Eichel, Boston U (NCAA) Speed, strength and skill in a wonderful package. Best consolation prize of your lifetime.
  3. D Noah Hanifin, Boston College (NCAA) 6.03, 205 world-class speed, exceptional offensive skill. Similar to Seth Jones.
  4. D Oliver Kylington, Farjestad (SEL) 6.0, 174. Two-way defender with terrific speed and an across the board skill set.
  5. C Mitch Marner, London Knights (OHL) Tremendous skater, very skilled. Undersized. Trending.
  6. C Dylan Strome, Erie Otters (OHL) Speed, shot, creativity, smarts. Lots of PP (McDavid) points.
  7. D Zach Werenski, Michigan (NCAA). Sound defender with outstanding offensive ability. Quality in all three zones. Source
  8. C Nick Merkley, Kelowna (WHL). Powerful skater with plus playmaking ability. Crazy offensive season.
  9. C-L Pavel Zacha, Sarnia Sting (OHL) Huge forward with skill, work ethic and ability along the wall.
  10. C Mathew Barzal, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) Intelligent offensive player with exceptional passing ability and speed.

Kylington has been named to Sweden’s WJ roster, as has William Lagesson. Strome’s draft number may be impacted by the large point total amassed with Hockey Jesus 2.0. Corey Pronman had the story via twitter last night:

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DRAFTING PHILOSOPHY

Matt Henderson is a frequent guest of the Lowdown and has an interesting article up at ON this morning. It is here. In the article, Matt quotes MacT on the scouting since he took over:

  • “We’ve worked hard to improve all our processes, in terms of our drafting. We’re more regionally focussed. Uh, there’s more of an emphasis on getting to know the players, interviewing the players. We’ve integrated a lot of, uh, uh, analytics into our decision making. We’ve integrated technology into our video scouting. We’ve got more management now in the field communicating with our scouts and watching games. We’ve got a Draft philosophy…since I took over. We’ve got a Draft philosophy in an effort to improve our Draft record.” (Emphasis Matt”s)

Here’s the thing (and please read Matt’s article because it is very insightful): There ARE picks in 2013 and 2014 that suggest a change in the weather since MacTavish took over. However, it is wildly inconsistent and the draft team is still prone to walkabout. Back in 2013, leading up to the draft, Stu MacGregor had this to say about that change in philosophy:

  • Stu MacGregor: “Well with Mac, skill is really important to him. That’s something that he’s looked for. Obviously the other intangibles of character, hard work, quality of people and players who are passionate to play the game are important, but he really has a high regard for skill.

If you look at the Oilers drafting since 2013, size, skill and ‘up the middle’ selections have been front and center. Here are a few items of interest:

  • The first player winger selected in those two years came at No. 88 (Slepyshev) in 2013.
  • The size/skill at the top (Nurse, Draisaitl, Yakimov) is very clear.
  • The club did draft smaller C’s (Roy, Platzer) but they came with ‘two-way’ reputations.

The 2013 draft looked strong the day it happened and has trended well. This past draft looks like mush to me, did on draft day. Leon was a terrific pick, Lagesson and Nagelvoort are interesting but I’d suggest there were better players on the board, and there were ABSOLUTELY better players on the board when Coughlin, Vesel and Bouchard were selected. If Craig MacTavish wants to get better at the draft table, he should do these things:

  • Go back to the conversation about Keven Bouchard versus (another player we haven’t identified) and re-visit the priorities. Skill, skill, skill MacT. You had it right in 2013.
  • If Bob Nicholson is doing a witch hunt on the scouts, tell him to read every scouting report on men like David Musil, Samu Perhonen, Nail Yakupov. THEN figure out who in the room influenced those picks and then proceed accordingly. I sincerely believe Nail was the right guy, but if your scouts (as has been reported) weren’t strong on him, and he was taken away, who’s running this joint? I think the disconnect on a guy like Musil probably came down to relationships, which is a real sign of danger. Knowing the Oilers, they’ll be drafting the grandkids in another 25 years.
  • Duct tape the guy who keeps pushing overage BCJHL people. Seriously. Jesus God it’s getting annoying.

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BOYD GORDON

Boyd Gordon missed the end of last night’s game and that brings up the Kyle Chipchura issue from the weekend. I’m thrilled with last night’s victory but am very disappointed this organization is shutting things down in the procurement department. MacT, give your man a chance!

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TYLER PITLICK

Early days, but three games into his audition this season I like his game. Offense is going to be the issue—he’s going to have to score Ryan Smyth goals or he won’t score much at all—but this player looks like he can play at speed and do some good things. It’s nice to see, if he graduates as a prospect Pitlick would be the third player from what has become a star-crossed 2010 edition.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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At 10, TSN 1260 we are back in the studio for the week. Scheduled to appear:

  • Scott Burnside, ESPN. BOG meetings in Florida today, we’ll talk expansion (Vegas, baby!!!) and 2015-16 cap.
  • Travis Yost, TSN Analytics. Why did Craig MacTavish give up on a team that showed decent underlying numbers?
  • Dennis King, Oilogosphere Icon. MacT media avail Friday, Oscar Klefbom, inaction on Chipchura waiver.

Lots of open line time planned, when the Oilers win it usually becomes less driven. So this is your chance! 11:25-ish. I’ll also be filling in for Dave Jamieson noon to 2pm this week, guests today include Aaron Ward and Pierre Lebrun. 10-1260 text and @Lowetide_ on twitter. Talk soon!

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147 Responses to "KLEFBOM IS THE BOMB"

  1. Woodguy says:

    He’s dreamy.

  2. leadfarmer says:

    I know that its never a good idea to bring in too many young D at the same time, but its really not fair for Marincin and Klefbom to be fighting for the same roster spot. Both of them are on the top 6 list of current defensemen.

  3. Woodguy says:

    So does the real D depth chart look like this now? (obv. the org feels different about lanky Slovaks)

    LHD
    Klefbom
    Marincin
    Ference
    Aulie
    Nikitin

    RHD
    Petry
    Fayne
    Schultz
    ????

  4. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy:
    He’s dreamy.

    Lowetide?

  5. Lowetide says:

    frjohnk: Lowetide?

    No. Grace Kelly and Oscar Klefbom are, though.

  6. Woodguy says:

    Here’s something for all the shot quality and minutia ponderers to ponder:

    Last 5 games for the Oilers.

    5/10 points (.500)

    5v5 stats:

    47.44% Fenwick

    SV% .932

    SH% 6.80

    100.31 PDO

    Hmmmmmmmm

  7. PhrankLee says:

    I love how he pressures the puck carrier with the right angles. I have not seen him get taken advantage of in a positional sense either. He is decisive and that seems to count.

  8. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: No. Grace Kelly and Oscar Klefbom are, though.

    Oscar makes hearts flutter.

    The new scar on his forehead only adds rugged handsomeness.

  9. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk: Lowetide?

    Oscar is singlehandedly turning the name Oscar into a sexy one.

  10. PaperKurtRussell says:

    Nice game by the boys last night. Just goes to show when you limit egregious chances against (aka Jultz ice time) they can keep up with good teams. The few times when they made those mistakes, Scrivens made some nice saves. That’s hockey! Gotta agree with Eakins, they gotta score more! When do we play Colorado? Need one of those 7 goal outbursts.

    Hey, does anyone know off-hand the waiver status on Klef and MM next year? Normally the roster flexibility is nice, but it would almost be better if they were both forced into the lineup so they won’t rush Nurse. Just a thought, probably won’t matter… 🙂

    Finally, just a great hockey story to pass along. Serge Savard appeared on the Quebec talk show Tout le monde en parle last night to talk about his buddy Mr. Beliveau. The host asked him if any player could ever win 10 cups again. He said it would be impossible in the salary cap era. He said that he and a few of the guys from the late 1970s Habs estimated that in modern terms, the cap hit for their team would be about $200 million in today’s environment!! He said, look at Subban at $9million, you can’t afford to have even 3-4 guys at that salary… (although he didn’t actually say much more, he was basically implying that his Habs teams had 10 guys better than Subban.) Anyway, it was a great interview and tribute to the magnifique #4.

  11. frjohnk says:

    Klefbom has incredible mobility.

    This will allow him to play against the speedy players.

    Has great size and strength.

    This allows him to play against the big players.

    Has decent skill and can make a good first pass.

    And I there was a nice little dangle in the neutral zone.

    Once he gets enough reps underneath him, he is gonna be a gooder.

    My new favorite player.

  12. Raider Jesse says:

    Ha! Everytime they show a close up of Klefbom Darcy, I tell the better half to look at how dreamy Klefbom is in a sad attempt to peak any interest in the Oilers for her. She’s not shallow enough to even care how handsome he is.

    God do I love how he retrieves the puck in the corners and makes quick short passes.

  13. linkfromhyrule says:

    Can’t believe last night was the first time in Schultz’s career that he played under 15 min. They threw him into the deepest end of the pool with full equipment on before he had ever even been in the water.

    Hopefully this is a sign of changing tides. Who knows. Klef sure is looking like a welcome addition, and a great partner for Fayne too.

    Petry-Ference
    Fayne-Klef
    Schultz-Marincin
    w/ Aulie rotating

    Need to take a run with that D and see how things play out. If they could solidify the D just a bit, it might not let them talk themselves into penciling Nurse into the opening night lineup next year.

  14. GCW_69 says:

    I was thinking about how MacT distanced himself from the Lowe GM era, saying he had nothing to do with management decisions at that time.

    First, that seems really really odd. Most organizations involve their subordinates in decisions that effect them. My bosses across all organizations I have worked for have done so. Further, me and all my peers that have had an interest in advancement have pushed to understand how the job above us worked, and getting involved is the best way to learn.

    But, taking MacT at his word, he basically passed on eight years of learning to prepare himself for this job. His management experience was limited to one year as SVP where again, he apparently didn’t do much.

    So, basically he told us his management experience is close to zero before he was promoted. If so, that would appear to make him woefully unqualified for the role.

    It also means that at a critical time in the companies development, the man leading the charge is learning as he goes.

    If this is true, then we should expect continued missteps and mistakes. It’s not an easy job, and if instead of having eight years of training, he had zero, that also doesn’t say much about the selection process.

    Sigh, because oilers.

  15. GCW_69 says:

    Nice to see the team win. Too bad it was blacked out in Ontario.

  16. su_dhillon says:

    I was away from Oilers talk most of weekend, any word on why Chipchira was not claimed? I watched a game yesterday where an NHL team ran out Gadzic, Archo and Pinnizotto so I’m not sure you can say ” Nah we’re good at forward”.

    Happy with the win, thrilled with the game Klef played. The issues at LD couldn’t have been more apparent than the last minute when the coach’s best 2 options were between a bottom pairing 35 year old and a 21 year old with less than 50 games on his resume.

    I can’t see one reason why you wouldn’t run Klefbom and Marincin the rest of the year, let them get their at bats, see what you have. If you really don’t like Marincin, then showcase him, give him easy minutes and deal him in summer.

  17. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy:
    Here’s something for all the shot quality and minutia ponderers to ponder:

    Last 5 games for the Oilers.

    5/10 points (.500)

    5v5 stats:

    47.44% Fenwick

    SV% .932

    SH% 6.80

    100.31 PDO

    Hmmmmmmmm

    League average save percentage is .913.
    http://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/stats.html

    2 reasons why I believe PDO will regress towards the mean, luck and adjustments.

    Oilers have had 87 goals scored against .890 save %
    Oilers D and forwards have allowed 18% tough shots, 82% clean shots, league average is 15% for tough shots. Plus add to the fact that the oilers lead or close to leading the league in allowing odd man rushes, the Oiler goalies are facing amongst the toughest shots on average in the league.

    Here are the adjustments sprinkled with luck.

    If oilers D and forwards allow league average tough shots, oiler goalies would have stopped 7 goals ( this is using Scrivens average, because he is actually above league average in clean shot save percentage)
    This brings the save % to .899

    Get down to allowing league average odd man rushes. Minus 2 goals. ( Im guessing here cause I don’t know the league average) But allowing less odd man rushes will lead to less chances for other teams= less goals.
    This brings save % to .901

    Oilers PP has allowed 5 SH, league average is 1.76.
    Im looking for league average defence on the PP here, so minus 3 goals.
    This brings the save % to .906

    Goalies screwing around with the puck has tightened up. But they have allowed 7 goals like this. Minus 4 goals.
    This brings save % to .911

    4 on 4 hockey is usually a fire drill for this team. 1 goal for, 4 against. Corsi is 30%. League average is 2 against. Just want league average. Minus 2 goals brings save percentage to .913.

    Wishful thinking?

  18. p3rsonman says:

    linkfromhyrule:
    Can’t believe last night was the first time in Schultz’s career that he played under 15 min. They threw him into the deepest end of the pool with full equipment on before he had ever even been in the water.

    Hopefully this is a sign of changing tides. Who knows. Klef sure is looking like a welcome addition, and a great partner for Fayne too.

    Petry-Ference
    Fayne-Klef
    Schultz-Marincin
    w/ Aulie rotating

    Need to take a run with that D and see how things play out. If they could solidify the D just a bit, it might not let them talk themselves into penciling Nurse into the opening night lineup next year.

    Unfortunately this will not be the case once “Former Olympic Defenseman” Nikita Nikitin returns to the fray. His return should be enough to put the Schultz-NN paring back to top minutes and sink the team permanently.

    God speed Nikitin.

  19. Aitch says:

    I hope he switches to #8 for next season.

  20. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Existing roster + common sense = competitive team. Holding each other accountable in the dressing room is a powerful thing.

    Now IR Nikitin and free Marincin!

  21. "Frank The Dog" says:

    GCW_69:
    I was thinking about how MacT distanced himself from the Lowe GM era, saying he had nothing to do with management decisions at that time.

    First,that seems really really odd. Most organizations involve their subordinates in decisions that effect them. My bosses across all organizations I have worked for have done so. Further,me and all my peers that have had an interest in advancement have pushed to understand how the job above us worked,and getting involved is the best way to learn.

    But,taking MacT at his word, he basically passed on eight years of learning to prepare himself for this job. His management experience was limited to one year as SVP where again,he apparently didn’t do much.

    So,basically he told us his management experience is close to zero before he was promoted.If so,that would appear to make him woefully unqualified for the role.

    It also means that at a critical time in the companies development,the man leading the charge is learning as he goes.

    If this is true,then we should expect continued missteps and mistakes. It’s not an easy job,and if instead of having eight years of training,he had zero,that also doesn’t say much about the selection process.

    Sigh,because oilers.

    So MacT would have been better off learning from Tambo? Not sure if I would go along with that one.

  22. RMGS says:

    frjohnk: League average save percentage is .913.
    http://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/stats.html

    2 reasons why I believe PDO will regress towards the mean, luck and adjustments.

    Oilers have had 87 goals scored against .890 save %
    Oilers D and forwards have allowed 18% tough shots, 82% clean shots, league average is 15% for tough shots.Plus add to the fact that the oilers lead or close to leading the league in allowing odd man rushes, the Oiler goalies are facing amongst the toughest shots on average in the league.

    Here are the adjustments sprinkled with luck.

    If oilers D and forwards allow league average tough shots, oiler goalies would have stopped 7 goals ( this is using Scrivens average, because he is actually above league average in clean shot save percentage)
    This brings the save % to .899

    Get down to allowing league average odd man rushes.Minus 2 goals. ( Im guessing here cause I don’t know the league average) But allowing less odd man rushes will lead to less chances for other teams= less goals.
    This brings save % to .901

    Oilers PP has allowed 5 SH, league average is 1.76.
    Imlooking for league average defence on the PP here, so minus 3 goals.
    This brings the save % to .906

    Goalies screwing around with the puck has tightened up. But they have allowed 7 goals like this. Minus 4 goals.
    This brings save % to .911

    4 on 4 hockey is usually a fire drill for this team. 1 goal for, 4 against.Corsi is 30%. League average is 2 against. Just want league average.Minus 2 goals brings save percentage to .913.

    Wishful thinking?

    Some excellent pondering on why things happen the way they do beyond luck and averages.

  23. pboy says:

    GCW_69:
    I was thinking about how MacT distanced himself from the Lowe GM era, saying he had nothing to do with management decisions at that time.

    First,that seems really really odd. Most organizations involve their subordinates in decisions that effect them. My bosses across all organizations I have worked for have done so. Further,me and all my peers that have had an interest in advancement have pushed to understand how the job above us worked,and getting involved is the best way to learn.

    But,taking MacT at his word, he basically passed on eight years of learning to prepare himself for this job. His management experience was limited to one year as SVP where again,he apparently didn’t do much.

    So,basically he told us his management experience is close to zero before he was promoted.If so,that would appear to make him woefully unqualified for the role.

    I thought MacT was completely full of shit when he said that he had ZERO input on player personnel previously. I posted this elsewhere but it bears repeating. MacT was with the organization for 100 years, he was close to the GM (Lowe) and had tenure in his coaching job but he had nothing to do with player procurement. Dallas Eakins has been in Edmonton for less than 2 seasons and no less than 5 players have been brought into the organization who had close ties to him. Will Acton, Ryan Hamilton, Keith Aulie, Mark Frasor and Ben Scrivens all spent time with him on the Marlies. So Eakins has input but MacT never did?

    This plus the Nikita Nikitin “Olympic” D-man comments might have soured MacT GM for me permanently.

  24. PhrankLee says:

    GCW_69:
    Nice to see the team win.Too bad it was blacked out in Ontario.

    It’s free till the end of the month on Rogers xbox app. I still use hockeystreams.com Havent missed a game here in ON.

  25. Ca$h-Money! says:

    p3rsonman: Unfortunately this will not be the case once “Former Olympic Defenseman” Nikita Nikitin returns to the fray. His return should be enough to put the Schultz-NN paring back to top minutes and sink the team permanently.

    God speed Nikitin.

    I remember that Olympics fondly. As I recall those were the years when the Oil had a world class blue line, with 2 defencemen playing important roles for their squads. Future hall of famer Belov and current blue line anchor Marincin.

    Those were the days….

  26. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk: Klefbom has incredible mobility. This will allow him to play against the speedy players.Has great size and strength.This allows him to play against the big players.Has decent skill and can make a good first pass.And I there was a nice little dangle in the neutral zone.Once he gets enough reps underneath him, he is gonna be a gooder.My new favorite player.

    Wonderful assessment.
    Oscar is a gem.

  27. russ99 says:

    frjohnk: League average save percentage is .913.
    http://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/stats.html

    2 reasons why I believe PDO will regress towards the mean, luck and adjustments.

    Oilers have had 87 goals scored against .890 save %
    Oilers D and forwards have allowed 18% tough shots, 82% clean shots, league average is 15% for tough shots.Plus add to the fact that the oilers lead or close to leading the league in allowing odd man rushes, the Oiler goalies are facing amongst the toughest shots on average in the league.

    Here are the adjustments sprinkled with luck.

    If oilers D and forwards allow league average tough shots, oiler goalies would have stopped 7 goals ( this is using Scrivens average, because he is actually above league average in clean shot save percentage)
    This brings the save % to .899

    Get down to allowing league average odd man rushes.Minus 2 goals. ( Im guessing here cause I don’t know the league average) But allowing less odd man rushes will lead to less chances for other teams= less goals.
    This brings save % to .901

    Oilers PP has allowed 5 SH, league average is 1.76.
    Imlooking for league average defence on the PP here, so minus 3 goals.
    This brings the save % to .906

    Goalies screwing around with the puck has tightened up. But they have allowed 7 goals like this. Minus 4 goals.
    This brings save % to .911

    4 on 4 hockey is usually a fire drill for this team. 1 goal for, 4 against.Corsi is 30%. League average is 2 against. Just want league average.Minus 2 goals brings save percentage to .913.

    Wishful thinking?

    Hmmm.. you didn’t mention shooting percentage for, and shots from quality scoring areas, neither of which look to improve unless something changes from our usual ring it around, shoot from everywhere and hope someone screws up mentality.

    So all our PDO improvement is to come from defense?

  28. frjohnk says:

    russ99: Hmmm.. you didn’t mention shooting percentage for, and shots from quality scoring areas, neither of which look to improve unless something changes from our usual ring it around, shoot from everywhere and hope someone screws up mentality.

    So all our PDO improvement is to come from defense?

    Its Monday morning after a oilers win. Still recovering.

    I’ll get to it.

    Patience is needed.

    And some Tylenol.

  29. slopitch says:

    I thought Pitlick was only ok yesterday. He can hit (and take them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8m3vOfqnxU … lordy) but not enough with the puck to play top line IMO. Oscar is a gem. If he continues to develop at his current rate, look out! Hall struggled yesterday too. Lots of poor plays with the puck. Im noticing Leon start to improve quite a bit recently. He was at fault on the goal (well him or Jultz) but the games slowing down for him as he’s really starting to do some good things with the puck. I still woulda sent him down but at this point all we can do is route for him.

    Send Nikitin to Khazakstan. Bring back Marincin. Believe in #McJesus (lottery win, play for wins boys!).

  30. linkfromhyrule says:

    pboy: I thought MacT was completely full of shit when he said that he had ZERO input on player personnel previously. I posted this elsewhere but it bears repeating. MacT was with the organization for 100 years, he was close to the GM (Lowe) and had tenure in his coaching job but he had nothing to do with player procurement. Dallas Eakins has been in Edmonton for less than 2 seasons and no less than 5 players have been brought into the organization who had close ties to him. Will Acton, Ryan Hamilton, Keith Aulie, Mark Frasor and Ben Scrivens all spent time with him on the Marlies. So Eakins has input but MacT never did?

    This plus the Nikita Nikitin “Olympic” D-man comments might have soured MacT GM for me permanently.

    Ok but how do you know MacT had any input? Maybe it is because he had no input that he has allowed input from his coach now that he is in charge. I could totally see Lowe having an arrogant and “I’m in charge so I’m always right” mindset when he was GM. About the only thing that has seen continuity in this org is unbalanced opening night rosters served on a silver platter to the coach.

  31. El Duderino says:

    “Frank The Dog”: So MacT would have been better off learning from Tambo? Not sure if I would go along with that one.

    Agree, but Lowe has to be added too. MacT does seem to have learned how to make exorbitant offer sheets.

  32. Lowetide says:

    slopitch:
    I thought Pitlick was only ok yesterday. He can hit (and take them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8m3vOfqnxU … lordy) but not enough with the puck to play top line IMO. Oscar is a gem. If he continues to develop at his current rate, look out! Hall struggled yesterday too. Lots of poor plays with the puck. Im noticing Leon start to improve quite a bit recently. He was at fault on the goal (well him or Jultz) but the games slowing down for him as he’s really starting to do some good things with the puck. I still woulda sent him down but at this point all we can do is route for him.

    Send Nikitin to Khazakstan. Bring back Marincin. Believe in #McJesus (lottery win, play for wins boys!).

    Yes. Pitlick should not be on the 1line.

  33. su_dhillon says:

    From the come to Jesus meetings they had this weekend, I wonder if Jultz TOI was discussed. Certainly looks like it.

    NO. PLAYER POS PP TOI SH TOI TOI
    2 J. Petry RD 1:21 2:00 24:50
    5 M. Fayne RD 0:48 2:00 23:16
    19 J. Schultz RD 1:00 0:00 13:14

    21 A. Ference LD 0:14 2:02 26:25
    84 O. Klefbom LD 0:55 1:58 24:20
    22 K. Aulie LD 0:00 0:00 7:55

  34. Bobbin Roundlee says:

    Oscar? He’d make a great son-in-law.

  35. TheGreatMutato says:

    Why do you hate Marincin?

  36. Lowetide says:

    TheGreatMutato:
    Why do you hate Marincin?

    He met Smid.

  37. frjohnk says:

    russ99,

    This is what you are looking for.

    This is league average from 2012-13.
    Clean Shots ( Shots where the goalie had no trouble seeing puck, not deflected or tipped) .951 save percentage.
    Transitional Shots ( from passes like a one timer) league average save % is .693
    Rebounds ( league average save% is .760
    Traffic, Deflections/Tipped ( league average save % is .763)

    85% of all shots in the league are clean shots but clean shots account for only 50% of all goals.
    15% of all shots are transitional ( like one timers), rebounds, traffic/tipped in, but account for 50% of all goals.

    Oilers usually win the clean shot for battle, but lose the tough shot for battle.

    How to Increase Shooting % which is at 0.076. ( 26th overall)
    Win the tough shot for battle.

    Oilers do OK in the transitional shot part ( this is a skill play, they have that skill) but rebound and traffic goals are problems. Year to date up to last week, the oilers had 1 goal by way of tip in. 1 friggin goal! Calgary had 2 in the first game! Battling in front of the net and getting rebound goals, tip ins and traffic is a skill where the oilers lack. They need to get into the tough areas and increase the opportunities of these types of plays.

    Opposing D men and goalies usually don’t have a tough game against the oilers. But I would expect adjustments to be made here as well. Is a 1% jump out of the question?

    If save percentage can get to .913 and shooting % to .0.86 that takes us to a PDO of .999.

    More wishful thinking?

  38. Bag of Pucks says:

    A couple thoughts re: the team drafting better

    Here’s a list of the STL Blues Top 6 prospects heading into this season:

    1. Dmitrij Jaskin RW – 41st overall
    2. Jake Allen G – 34th overall
    3. Robby Fabbri C – 21st overall
    4. Ty Rattie RW – 32nd overall
    5. Ivan Barbashev LW – 33rd overall
    6. Joel Edmundson D – 46th overall

    That’s right. 5 of the top 6 players in the Blues prospect pipeline were drafted in the 2nd round.

    The Oil have to get better in the later rounds. This is where the good teams are getting their depth.

    Suspect this is the reason the Blues acquired Paajarvi as well. They likely assumed that they do a far better job of developing their prospects than the Oil and a younger faster #10 OV pick for Perron must’ve sounded like a steal to them in theory. Unfortunately for them, the Oil suck at drafting as well as development. lol

    Btw, someone floated the idea of the Oil cutting loose their scouts and going with Central Scouting Rankings. We do have an example of this from the past where Sam Gagner was rated higher by CS than Couture, Voracek and McDonagh in that draft. Turris was also rated higher than Kane going in. Seems like a bad idea to go with the consensus rankings when looking at that 07 draft. If the Oil had taken the highest ranked CS player in that slot, they would have selected either Keaton Ellerby or Chrepanov. That’s an even worse pick than Samwise.

  39. El Duderino says:

    Oops, I’ve mis-stated. Clarkson was not a MacT offer sheet.

  40. GCW_69 says:

    “Frank The Dog”: So MacT would have been better off learning from Tambo? Not sure if I would go along with that one.

    Better to have learned something from Lowe than to have learned nothing, even if it’s what not to do.

  41. Hammers says:

    Like I said yesterday time to look at the glass being half full . Klefbom & Pitlick are 2 good additions and I would like Marincin back up like most on this blog . Fix our “D” and we may just win a few more. If Gordon is injured I hope they give Lander another shot as for me he could be a very good 4th line “C” with Hendrciks and Pinzotto then slide Arco up to Gordons spot . Not sure what it is Nelson is doing but love the results . If the Barons keep playing like they are we may just see some players graduate next year either to the Oil or trade .

  42. GCW_69 says:

    Woodguy:
    Here’s something for all the shot quality and minutia ponderers to ponder:

    Last 5 games for the Oilers.

    5/10 points (.500)

    5v5 stats:

    47.44% Fenwick

    SV% .932

    SH% 6.80

    100.31 PDO

    Hmmmmmmmm

    So you are saying they have been riding an unsustainable save percentage? Fenwick has been slipping?

  43. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk: League average save percentage is .913.
    http://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/stats.html

    2 reasons why I believe PDO will regress towards the mean, luck and adjustments.

    Oilers have had 87 goals scored against .890 save %
    Oilers D and forwards have allowed 18% tough shots, 82% clean shots, league average is 15% for tough shots.Plus add to the fact that the oilers lead or close to leading the league in allowing odd man rushes, the Oiler goalies are facing amongst the toughest shots on average in the league.

    Here are the adjustments sprinkled with luck.

    If oilers D and forwards allow league average tough shots, oiler goalies would have stopped 7 goals ( this is using Scrivens average, because he is actually above league average in clean shot save percentage)
    This brings the save % to .899

    Get down to allowing league average odd man rushes.Minus 2 goals. ( Im guessing here cause I don’t know the league average) But allowing less odd man rushes will lead to less chances for other teams= less goals.
    This brings save % to .901

    Oilers PP has allowed 5 SH, league average is 1.76.
    Imlooking for league average defence on the PP here, so minus 3 goals.
    This brings the save % to .906

    Goalies screwing around with the puck has tightened up. But they have allowed 7 goals like this. Minus 4 goals.
    This brings save % to .911

    4 on 4 hockey is usually a fire drill for this team. 1 goal for, 4 against.Corsi is 30%. League average is 2 against. Just want league average.Minus 2 goals brings save percentage to .913.

    Wishful thinking?

    Leauge average 5v5 SV% is around. 923 every year.

    I haven’t clicked your link, but it looks like it includes 4v5.

    PDO is for 5v5 only.

  44. Woodguy says:

    GCW_69: So you are saying they have been riding an unsustainable save percentage?Fenwick has been slipping?

    Somewhat yes.

  45. Hammers says:

    frjohnk: League average save percentage is .913.
    http://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/stats.html

    2 reasons why I believe PDO will regress towards the mean, luck and adjustments.

    Oilers have had 87 goals scored against .890 save %
    Oilers D and forwards have allowed 18% tough shots, 82% clean shots, league average is 15% for tough shots.Plus add to the fact that the oilers lead or close to leading the league in allowing odd man rushes, the Oiler goalies are facing amongst the toughest shots on average in the league.

    Here are the adjustments sprinkled with luck.

    If oilers D and forwards allow league average tough shots, oiler goalies would have stopped 7 goals ( this is using Scrivens average, because he is actually above league average in clean shot save percentage)
    This brings the save % to .899

    Get down to allowing league average odd man rushes.Minus 2 goals. ( Im guessing here cause I don’t know the league average) But allowing less odd man rushes will lead to less chances for other teams= less goals.
    This brings save % to .901

    Oilers PP has allowed 5 SH, league average is 1.76.
    Imlooking for league average defence on the PP here, so minus 3 goals.
    This brings the save % to .906

    Goalies screwing around with the puck has tightened up. But they have allowed 7 goals like this. Minus 4 goals.
    This brings save % to .911

    4 on 4 hockey is usually a fire drill for this team. 1 goal for, 4 against.Corsi is 30%. League average is 2 against. Just want league average.Minus 2 goals brings save percentage to .913.

    Wishful thinking?

    I don’t think its wishful thinking but the only way we get there is by adding M.M. and retooling or adding to our “D” group .

  46. Caramel Obvious says:

    russ99: Hmmm.. you didn’t mention shooting percentage for, and shots from quality scoring areas, neither of which look to improve unless something changes from our usual ring it around, shoot from everywhere and hope someone screws up mentality.

    So all our PDO improvement is to come from defense?

    Honest question: do you really believe the Oilers shoot from anywhere?

    From my perspective the Oilers shoot less than other teams not more.

    This is why the suggestion that the Oilers have improved their Corsi because they’ve been told about Corsi is so ridiculous.

    It’s a real phenomenon in the social sciences. When patterns that describe the behaviour of human beings become known by the subject of those patterns (i.e. human beings) the behaviour itself changes. However, in the specific case of the Oilers, and in the ecology of the NHL in general, there is no evidence of this happening.

    With regard the Oilers, it sure appears to me that the Oilers pass up shots and make the extra pass more than other teams. They certainly aren’t winging it from everywhere.

    With regard the NHL, the NHL already has a firmly entrenched ethos of get the puck to the net, which is forced, in many ways, by the strong defensive tactics they employ (they being their opponents). Finding out about the correlation between corsi and winning can hardly increase shot attempts to a significant degree since NHL teams are already shooting almost every chance they get.

    In plain English, finding out about Corsi isn’t going to get the players to shoot more often, when they’ve been told to shoot more often already. In this case the effect precedes the presumed cause.

  47. GCW_69 says:

    El Duderino:
    Oops, I’ve mis-stated.Clarkson was not a MacT offer sheet.

    It was a very Lowe thing to do. Like Nylander. But it was not an offer sheet.

  48. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy:
    So does the real D depth chart look like this now? (obv. the org feels different about lanky Slovaks)

    LHD
    Klefbom
    Marincin
    Ference
    Aulie
    Nikitin

    RHD
    Petry
    Fayne
    Schultz
    ????

    For me I follow WOWY.

    when you look thru past Ferenc eis best placed asan offensive RHD.

    Fayne has played with 5D
    Aulie 0.00 EVGA/60
    Nikitin 1.68
    Klefbom 2.36
    —————–
    Marincin 3.00
    Ference 4.42

    Petry plays w/ 5
    Aulie 0.00
    Klef 2.10
    —————
    Ference 2.85
    Nikitin 4.90
    Marincin 7.62

    Schultz w/ 5
    Marincin 0.00
    ——————
    Nikitin 2.82
    Ference 2.98
    Aulie 3.23
    Hunt 3.40

    Ference w/4
    Petry 2.85
    Schultz 2.98
    Hunt 3.54
    Fayne 4.47
    he played 17.7 min RHD 0.00 EVGA/60

    Aulie played w/ 3
    Petry 0.00
    Fayne 0.00
    ————-
    Schultz 3.23

    Nikitin w/3
    Fayne 1.68
    ————–
    Schultz 2.82 one of 2 D schultz viable with.
    Petry 4.90

    Marincin w/ 3
    Schultz 0.00
    —————–
    Fayne 3.00
    Petry 7.62

    Klefbom w/2
    Petry 2.10
    Fayne 2.36

    Based on these numbers
    Schultz and Marincin are best suited going to AHL to get or get back there defensive game

    Klefbom-Petry 2.100
    Nikitin-Fayne 1.68
    Aulie-Ference 0.00

  49. rickithebear says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    A couple thoughts re: the team drafting better

    Here’s a list of the STL Blues Top 6 prospects heading into this season:

    1. Dmitrij Jaskin RW – 41st overall
    2. Jake Allen G – 34th overall
    3. Robby Fabbri C – 21st overall
    4. Ty Rattie RW – 32nd overall
    5. Ivan Barbashev LW – 33rd overall
    6. Joel Edmundson D – 46th overall

    That’s right. 5 of the top 6 players in the Blues prospect pipeline were drafted in the 2nd round.

    The Oil have to get better in the later rounds. This is where the good teams are getting their depth.

    Suspect this is the reason the Blues acquired Paajarvi as well. They likely assumed that they do a far better job of developing their prospects than the Oil and a younger faster #10 OV pick for Perron must’ve sounded like a steal to them in theory. Unfortunately for them, the Oil suck at drafting as well as development. lol

    Btw, someone floated the idea of the Oil cutting loose their scouts and going with Central Scouting Rankings. We do have an example of this from the past where Sam Gagner was rated higher by CS than Couture, Voracek and McDonagh in that draft. Turris was also rated higher than Kane going in. Seems like a bad idea to go with the consensus rankings when looking at that 07 draft. If the Oil had taken the highest ranked CS player in that slot, they would have selected either Keaton Ellerby or Chrepanov. That’s an even worse pick than Samwise.

    Yakimov (83)
    Slepyshev (88)
    Both scored goals like Semin; Ovechkin; malkin; Tarasenko in 19 yr season!

  50. Bag of Pucks says:

    Hendricks, Pouliot, Gordon. Injuries piling up with the vets.

    Would like to see Pakarinen get the push over Gazdic. Marincin vs Aulie is interesting. Marty clearly has more skill but Schultz may play with a little more backbone with Aulie at his side. Put Marincin and Schultz on 3rd pairing and you don’t have a legitimate box out guy. Might just stick with the D as is for another game. Fayne is the perfect fit to mentor KBom imo. Petry and Ference seem to have decent chemistry as well.

  51. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy: Leauge average 5v5 SV% is around. 923 every year.

    I haven’t clicked your link, but it looks like it includes 4v5.

    PDO is for 5v5 only.

    Im using all situations because that is what the shot quality project used.

  52. Bag of Pucks says:

    rickithebear: Yakimov (83)
    Slepyshev (88)
    Both scored goals like Semin; Ovechkin; malkin; Tarasenko in 19 yr season!

    Yep, like those picks too especially with the devaluation of the ruble. KHL looking like less and less of an option for these boys.

  53. HeadScout says:

    First off, let me say that Lowetide does an excellent job in 99% of what he writes, however, there is one thing in this article that he has completely missed in terms of accuracy. The problem is when you rank Dylan Strome and Pavel Zacha at # 6 and #9 respectively, we have a serious problem. I have actually watched both players play live on several occasions and here is my scouting report on both. Dylan Strome: Nothing special, talented yes, but not even close to being an “elite” player or for that matter even being ranked in the top ten. I wouldn’t even draft him to be honest. He was rather mediocre in the games I saw him play this year for Erie. I would much rather have his far more talented brother Ryan Strome.

    Next, let’s talk about Pavel Zacha and we will even throw in Nikita Korostelev (both from Sarnia). One word for both players “Invisible”. Neither one had any tangible effect on the outcome of any of the Sarnia games I have watched this year. I wouldn’t even draft them in the second round!

    Here is the problem with our team’s scouting staff. It seems to me they rely too much on Central Scouting and other people’s lists to affect who they select. In scouting, you have to have the attitude that if a player (for example) is ranked in the 5th round but is actually more talented than Pavel Zacha, then that player deserves to be ranked in the 1st or 2nd round. I GUARANTEE you that there are several players ranked in both the 2nd and 3rd round that are superior to both Sarnia players.

    The point here is that this is what separates the REAL scouts or “Professional” scouts from the “Amateurs”.

    Lowetide hit the bullseye with the top 3 ranked players and descriptions, so I give credit where credit is due. McDavid is worth the price of admission alone and Eichel is right there with him. Both truly “Elite” talents, but also keep in mind they are different kinds of players. Although the oilers don’t need the kind of player McDavid is, if we have the chance to draft him, you can’t pass up on that kind of talent.

    My advice to MacT: He needs to keep Stu MacGregor and clean house and eliminate any scouts not doing their job (and there are several).

    Bottom line: If MacT makes the necessary changes to the team in the off season and they can draft McDavid or Eichel, we will be looking good moving forward.

  54. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Hammers:
    Like I said yesterday time to look at the glass being half full . Klefbom & Pitlick are 2 good additions and I would like Marincin back up like most on this blog . Fix our “D” and we may just win a few more. If Gordon is injured I hope they give Lander another shot as for me he could be a very good 4th line “C” with Hendrciks and Pinzotto then slide Arco up to Gordons spot . Not sure what it is Nelson is doing but love the results . If the Barons keep playing like they are we may just see some players graduate next year either to the Oil or trade .

    I’m looking forward to their coach graduating.
    /edit: To the Oilers, that is.

  55. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy: Leauge average 5v5 SV% is around. 923 every year.

    I haven’t clicked your link, but it looks like it includes 4v5.

    PDO is for 5v5 only.

    Also to further my comment.

    When we are 4×4, we allow a crazy mount of 5 alarm chances against.
    And when we are 5×4, we also allow a crazy amount of 5 alarm chances against.

    Both are probably close to league worst in regards to quality shots, if not league worst.

    But on the PK, we are near league average.

    Nikitin and Schultz play most minutes 4×4 and 5×4. Plus most of our offensive forwards that play 4×4 and 5×4 don’t have much for defensive acumen.

    Our PKers have defensive acumen and we allow near league average chances and shot qualities.

    Schultz plays very little PK, only plays when Eakins has no other choice.

  56. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk: Im using all situations because that is what the shot quality project used.

    Which is one of the issues with that project.

    You need to separate special teams play..

  57. Caramel Obvious says:

    Since I’ve defended Eakins a lot in the past, here is a criticism.

    Gazdic is useless. Every shift he takes is a waste of an opportunity. Stop playing him.

    Also, Arcobello is better than Draisatl. Draisatl has to play some, but man give Arcobello some shifts with Perron and Purcell every once in a while, especially in close games.

    The Oilers almost lost that game to development. Draisatl had a monumental gaffe on the Sharks goal. It was so bad that Schultz was trying to tell him where to go.

  58. Bag of Pucks says:

    Btw, I think it’s fair to suggest that the WPG Jets have quietly become one of the better drafting teams in the league

    Schiefle – 7ov (2011)
    Trouba – 9ov (2012)
    Morissey – 13ov (2013)
    Ehlers – 14ov (2014)

    Chevaldayoff consistenly finding nice roster players outside the lottery and the upside for Trouba and Ehlers looks huge.

    They’re also finding good players in later rounds (Petan, Comrie, Hellebucyk, Lowry, Kosmachuk).

    Another ‘rebuild’ that could lap the Oil.

    Drafting well, who knew? ; )

  59. Bag of Pucks says:

    Caramel Obvious:

    The Oilers almost lost that game to development.Draisatl had a monumental gaffe on the Sharks goal.It was so bad that Schultz was trying to tell him where to go.

    Call me old fashioned but I think the D man should be the 2nd man back before the C, and especially if that makes him the first to protect the slot. Not to mention the fact that Ference had to rush to the corner on Schultz’s side coz he’d gone walkabout.

    Norris arguing with a forward over D zone coverage responsibilities in realtime with an imminent scoring threat bearing down and the G signalling frantically. Does any pro team have more Bad News Bears moments than this one?

  60. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy: Which is one of the issues with that project.

    You need to separate special teams play..

    I agree. But I can only work with what there is.

    There are issues with every type of stat.

    I like to use stats and the eye.
    Here is how I think we can help out our goaltenders. disclaimer, its all situations 🙂

    1. Don’t play Nikitin. The guy is among the worst D men have employed in the last few years. Why Nikitin has not been benched has baffled almost everybody as we have guys ( Klefbom and Marincin who are better, BIG TIME) but Nikitin always plays before them unless he has been hurt. One thing he does pretty much every game is give up the blue line very easily. Other Oiler D are guilty of this as well, but Nikitin is King. Check this out.. http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=664163 Notice how Reilly is allowed to get to the top of the box and unleash a laser without any defense from Nikitin. This shot by Reilly is considered a “clean shot” but the quality is high because its a laser going to the top corner from the high slot. I believe this happens because of Nikitins lack of mobility and he does this to cheat to get back so he is not burned wide.

    Its not just that. There are other consistent bonehead plays of screwing around with the puck in the D zone each game. If he is injured, sit him until he is 100% healthy. If this is best of him that we will see,then waive him, buy out, whatever, just don’t play him. Play Klefbom and Marincin, they will not give up the blue line so easily. And while they have some kinks to work out in their game, the high quality of shots they will give up will not be at Nikitins level.

    Oilers need to play Klefbom and Marincin instead. Give them the at bats, they are the future. Nikitin isn’t and he is not a stop gap. Nikitin is just a gap

    2. Schultz. Not as drunk as Nikitin. But still drunk. I loved the signing and accepted the growing pains the first couple of seasons. But defensively, his game is just not there. Too many fly bys, too many opposing forwards don’t have their sticks tied up by Schultz, just too many tire fires. This article by Justin bourne sums it up nicely http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/648986

    Because I really liked him, especially at the beginning while watching him in the lockout in the AHL and the first part of the lockout season, it pains me to say that Schultz needs to be traded. At 24 years old, I don’t think intensity and defensive acumen can be taught to someone who has barely one lick of either. If he does not play, I bet less high quality shots occur against the oilers.

    3. Oiler forwards need to cover for pinching oiler D men. Oiler D men do a good job of pinching along the boards in the offensive zone to keep the puck in which has helped lead to better possession compared to last year. But when this happens the high forward has to be busting ass back in case the D man loses the pinch. Every game, there is a lost pinch, with no forward covering which leads to an odd man rush the other way. These old man rushes are leading to high quality shots.

    4. Better back pressure from the forwards. Watch game tape of the bruins games the last couple of years. Notice how the 4th and 5th forwards back check. Now look at game tape of oilers forwards ( except Gordons line) that are the 4th and 5th back. I swear the 4th or 5th oiler forward is thinking “well, we have 3 guys busting ass back, I don’t need to, THAT CHICK BEHIND THE PENALTY BOX HAS BIG, UH OH,THE PUCK JUST WENT INTO THE HIGH SLOT TO THE D MAN I SHOULD BE COVERING, CRAP” . One reason that has made the bruins so successful is the back pressure from ALL forwards.

    5. Oiler D men need to keep a smaller gap between themselves and when opposing forwards are rushing with puck in the neutral zone. This is where oiler D men need to mobile. Yes, Klefbom, no Nikitin. If the oiler D can do this along with the oiler forwards provide good back pressure, the Oilers have a better chance of forcing teams to the outside. Bruins have been great at this. That 85% league average clean shot stat I brought earlier, and which the oilers give up 82%, the bruins give up 88%. Giving up shot quality like that is a team stat, not a goalie stat.

    If you can force the opposing team not to have a controlled entry or to the outside, their chances of increased puck possession lessen and the shot will be from the perimeter most times. The type of D man that is optimal here is big and mobile. This is why Nikitin is not good. He is big but he does not have the mobility needed to close the gap at the blue line. Opposing forwards will just beat him wide. Thats why I like Klefbom, Marincin, Petry and eventually Nurse. They are very mobile and their big wing span makes it more difficult for opposing teams to have a controlled entry into the middle of the ice and so opposing teams have to resort to going to the outside or dumping it in. But this only works when ALL forwards are engaged in back pressure.

    6. Different personal manning the point on the PP. How many breakaways and odd man rushes against have been allowed on the PP this year? Most likely leading the league, as PDO on the PP is 81.1. This is not bad luck and its not bad goaltending, it’s just another example of the oilers not having team D awareness. 5 other teams are under 100, with the Rangers second worst at 94. Oilers have scored 10 PP goals, but have allowed 5 SH goals. If we are playing the 1-3-1, the optimal player at the point is a guy with a booming shot and has some defensive acumen. Petry is the only oilers D man who is that. Not Schultz, not Nikitin, not Brad friggin Hunt. If Schultz is on the PP, you cant play 1-3-1.

    Once the defense and forwards are at least at league average levels in regards to giving up lower quality shots, then we take a look at the goaltenders. My bet is that both Scrivens and Fasth get to near league average save %. And if they don’t, then fix that part. But right now, team D awareness is a bigger problem than the goaltending issue. Like. Big time.

  61. haters says:

    Lol…. We eak out a 2-1 win on a team that played the night before. Looking back at our wins this season did we not have a similar advantage in almost all of them? Don’t be fooled this team is done. WG’s fancy stats are meaningless because the team is fundementaly flawed, only winning gimmies.

  62. Магия 10 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Btw, I think it’s fair to suggest that the WPG Jets have quietly become one of the better drafting teams in the league

    Schiefle – 7ov (2011)
    Trouba – 9ov (2012)
    Morissey – 13ov (2013)
    Ehlers – 14ov (2014)

    Chevaldayoff consistenly finding nice roster players outside the lottery and the upside for Trouba and Ehlers looks huge.

    They’re also finding good players in later rounds (Petan, Comrie, Hellebucyk, Lowry, Kosmachuk).

    Another ‘rebuild’ that could lap the Oil.

    Drafting well, who knew? ; )

    So you’d turn down Couturier and Hamilton?

    http://jetsnation.ca/2014/12/5/the-century-mark

    Smartest men in the room, who knew?

  63. Caramel Obvious says:

    frjohnk,

    I think that was a good summary.

  64. vinotintazo says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    Since I’ve defended Eakins a lot in the past, here is a criticism.

    The Oilers almost lost that game to development.Draisatl had a monumental gaffe on the Sharks goal.It was so bad that Schultz was trying to tell him where to go.

    I actually agree with this, Schultz was telling Draisailt to watch the man on that side – Even Scrivens was yelling, he took a peak, and had enough time. but decided to cover the middle… where schultz already was.

    He got benched after that for a bit. other than that, I think he played a good game.

  65. Caramel Obvious says:

    Paul Maclean just got fired. Terrible decision. Terrible.

  66. frjohnk says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    frjohnk,

    I think that was a good summary.

    thanks

  67. Bag of Pucks says:

    Quote from Maclean last week:

    “All I know is I’m scared to death no matter who we’re playing,” MacLean said before Saturday’s game when TSN’s Chris Cuthbert asked if he’d be more worried facing a hot or cold Sidney Crosby. “Whether it’s Sidney Crosby or John Tavares or the Sedins, I go day-by-day and I’m just scared to death every day of who we’re playing.

    “And sometimes,” MacLean added. “I’m scared to death of who I’m playing.”

    That was likely the last straw for Murray. If I have cancer, I’m probably not too in the mood to hear the HC taking veiled shots at my roster either.

    The problem in OTT isn’t the GM or HC. It’s Melnyk’s internal cap.

  68. Bruce McCurdy says:

    HeadScout:
    First off, let me say that Lowetide does an excellent job in 99% of what he writes, however, there is one thing in this article that he has completely missed in terms of accuracy.The problem is when you rank Dylan Strome and Pavel Zacha at # 6 and #9 respectively, we have a serious problem.I have actually watched both players play live on several occasions and here is my scouting report on both.Dylan Strome:Nothing special, talented yes, but not even close to being an “elite” player or for that matter even being ranked in the top ten.I wouldn’t even draft him to be honest.He was rather mediocre in the games I saw him play this year for Erie.I would much rather have his far more talented brother Ryan Strome.

    Next, let’s talk about Pavel Zacha and we will even throw in Nikita Korostelev (both from Sarnia).One word for both players “Invisible”.Neither one had any tangible effect on the outcome of any of the Sarnia games I have watched this year.I wouldn’t even draft them in the second round!

    Here is the problem with our team’s scouting staff.It seems to me they rely too much on Central Scouting and other people’s lists to affect who they select.In scouting, you have to have the attitude that if a player (for example) is ranked in the 5th round but is actually more talented than Pavel Zacha, then that player deserves to be ranked in the 1st or 2nd round.I GUARANTEE you that there are several players ranked in both the 2nd and 3rd round that are superior to both Sarnia players.

    The point here is that this is what separates the REAL scouts or “Professional” scouts from the “Amateurs”.

    Lowetide hit the bullseye with the top 3 ranked players and descriptions, so I give credit where credit is due.McDavid is worth the price of admission alone and Eichel is right there with him.Both truly “Elite” talents, but also keep in mind they are different kinds of players.Although the oilers don’t need the kind of player McDavid is, if we have the chance to draft him, you can’t pass up on that kind of talent.

    My advice to MacT:He needs to keep Stu MacGregor and clean house and eliminate any scouts not doing their job (and there are several).

    Bottom line:If MacT makes the necessary changes to the team in the off season and they can draft McDavid or Eichel, we will be looking good moving forward.

    Interesting stuff. Question for you: how many times have you seen Sarnia & Erie play?

    EDIT: Oops, reread your post & saw “several times”. So let me rephrase: did you see these dudes enough times to rule out a simple “seen-him-bad” explanation of catching said players having a couple of off-nights or maybe carrying a short-term injury during the viewing window?

  69. Bag of Pucks says:

    Магия 10: So you’d turn down Couturier and Hamilton?

    http://jetsnation.ca/2014/12/5/the-century-mark

    Smartest men in the room, who knew?

    Schiefle’s the weak link for sure, but every team can find better players in hindsight.

    WPG is consistently finding roster players outside the lottery and avoiding busts. That’s good drafting imo.

  70. Bruce McCurdy says:

    vinotintazo: I actually agree with this,Schultz wastelling Draisailt to watch the man on that side – Even Scrivens was yelling, he took a peak, and had enough time. but decided to cover the middle… where schultz already was.

    He got benched after that for a bit. other than that, I think he played a good game.

    Not sure what Schultz was doing on that entire sequence. Ference decided he had a better chance of challenging the guy in Schultz’s corner than Schultz did, & of course the ultimate danger man was on Ference’s side of the ice. Both Schultz and Draisaitl looked like they were covering each other rather than the goal scorer. I wasn’t too thrilled by what any of the three of them did, truth be told, a completely bungled switch.

    But man, did Leon have his mates breaking out of Oilers end with speed and control more than a few times. His puck distribution skills have application in all three zones, & I’m thrilled to see his ability to get the puck moving north from deep positions. Still has things to learn about positional play and coverage, obviously, and some of those lessons will be harsh ones like the one last night. But I’m thinking we have a budding 200-foot player on our hands here.

  71. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk,

    Nice post.

    You pretty much nailed it.

    More NHL C’s and more saves too.

  72. Магия 10 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Schiefle’s the weak link for sure, but every team can find better players in hindsight.

    WPG is consistently finding roster players outside the lottery and avoiding busts. That’s good drafting imo.

    The flip side of no credit for slam duck lottery picks is no excuses for smartest man in the room syndrome in the top 10.

  73. Pouzar says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Not sure what Schultz was doing on that entire sequence. Ference decided he had a better chance of challenging the guy in Schultz’s corner than Schultz did, & of course the ultimate danger man was on Ference’s side of the ice. Both Schultz and Draisaitl looked like they were covering each other rather than the goal scorer. I wasn’t too thrilled by what any of the three of them did, truth be told, a completely bungled switch. But man, did Leon have his mates breaking out of Oilers end with speed and control more than a few times. His puck distribution skills have application in all three zones, & I’m thrilled to see his ability to get the puck moving north from deep positions. Still has things to learn about positional play and coverage, obviously, and some of those lessons will be harsh ones like the one last night. But I’m thinking we have a budding 200-foot player on our hands here.

    Couldn’t agree more on Drai and the 200 ft potential. I see similar things in Yak2 (yes I am his biggest fan) at the AHL level.

  74. Woodguy says:

    haters:
    Lol…. We eak out a 2-1 win on a team that played the night before. Looking back at our wins this season did we not have a similar advantage in almost all of them? Don’t be fooled this team is done. WG’s fancy stats are meaningless because the team is fundementaly flawed, only winning gimmies.

    Lol!

    You still post here!

    Lol!

  75. Woodguy says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Not sure what Schultz was doing on that entire sequence. Ference decided he had a better chance of challenging the guy in Schultz’s corner than Schultz did, & of course the ultimate danger man was on Ference’s side of the ice. Both Schultz and Draisaitl looked like they were covering each other rather than the goal scorer. I wasn’t too thrilled by what any of the three of them did, truth be told, a completely bungled switch.

    But man, did Leon have his mates breaking out of Oilers end with speed and control more than a few times. His puck distribution skills have application in all three zones, & I’m thrilled to see his ability to get the puck moving north from deep positions. Still has things to learn about positional play and coverage, obviously, and some of those lessons will be harsh ones like the one last night. But I’m thinking we have a budding 200-foot player on our hands here.

    Every team has room for one soft minute secondary scoring line that gets a huge zone starts push.

    In that role DrySaddle is doing very well.

    Still rooking without the puck, but on the whole he’s done a good job.

    He’s the goods.

  76. Yak2 says:

    LT, who would you have suggested they take at 91 other than Lagesson? He was rated higher in the rankings:

    18 at the final draft rankings at nhl.com (http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectbrowse.htm?cat=2&sort=finalRank&year=2014)

    I can’t find any other rankings with him on it, but he was rated between the 2nd-3rd rounds, so to get him at 91 is a blessing. I agree with you about the other picks. We could’ve done better by choosing guys like Kulda, Haydon, etc.

  77. Lowetide says:

    HeadScout:
    First off, let me say that Lowetide does an excellent job in 99% of what he writes, however, there is one thing in this article that he has completely missed in terms of accuracy.The problem is when you rank Dylan Strome and Pavel Zacha at # 6 and #9 respectively, we have a serious problem.I have actually watched both players play live on several occasions and here is my scouting report on both.Dylan Strome:Nothing special, talented yes, but not even close to being an “elite” player or for that matter even being ranked in the top ten.I wouldn’t even draft him to be honest.He was rather mediocre in the games I saw him play this year for Erie.I would much rather have his far more talented brother Ryan Strome.

    Next, let’s talk about Pavel Zacha and we will even throw in Nikita Korostelev (both from Sarnia).One word for both players “Invisible”.Neither one had any tangible effect on the outcome of any of the Sarnia games I have watched this year.I wouldn’t even draft them in the second round!

    Here is the problem with our team’s scouting staff.It seems to me they rely too much on Central Scouting and other people’s lists to affect who they select.In scouting, you have to have the attitude that if a player (for example) is ranked in the 5th round but is actually more talented than Pavel Zacha, then that player deserves to be ranked in the 1st or 2nd round.I GUARANTEE you that there are several players ranked in both the 2nd and 3rd round that are superior to both Sarnia players.

    The point here is that this is what separates the REAL scouts or “Professional” scouts from the “Amateurs”.

    Lowetide hit the bullseye with the top 3 ranked players and descriptions, so I give credit where credit is due.McDavid is worth the price of admission alone and Eichel is right there with him.Both truly “Elite” talents, but also keep in mind they are different kinds of players.Although the oilers don’t need the kind of player McDavid is, if we have the chance to draft him, you can’t pass up on that kind of talent.

    My advice to MacT:He needs to keep Stu MacGregor and clean house and eliminate any scouts not doing their job (and there are several).

    Bottom line:If MacT makes the necessary changes to the team in the off season and they can draft McDavid or Eichel, we will be looking good moving forward.

    Thanks for this, Head Scout. Great information, please post more!

  78. LMHF#1 says:

    Pouzar: I see similar things in Yak2 (yes I am his biggest fan) at the AHL level.

    No doubt. Kid’s going to be a player.

  79. G Money says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Not sure what Schultz was doing on that entire sequence. Ference decided he had a better chance of challenging the guy in Schultz’s corner than Schultz did, & of course the ultimate danger man was on Ference’s side of the ice. Both Schultz and Draisaitl looked like they were covering each other rather than the goal scorer. I wasn’t too thrilled by what any of the three of them did, truth be told, a completely bungled switch.

    I too am mystified by the whole sequence. I see that Drai was benched, but assumed that when you have a two player incursion into the zone, it is the D that go and provide the primary cover on those two, while the Fs have to look to cover the trailers. And lacking a trailer into the zone needing covering, to head to key territorial position in front of the net. Am I wrong on that? (Honest question)

    If so – the natural response to that sequence would have been for Schultz to take on the coverage of the second guy, and Drai to position in the slot.

    But what I find interesting is that it’s actually a rather mystifying look into the (problematic) mindset of the players – or at least those two players. If you’re going to make a mistake on that type of play, it’s that BOTH players should automatically default to covering the trailing attacker. So it seems to me that Schultz and Drai should both have been arguing over who stays while both covering the player, instead of both arguing about who covers the player while staying.

    If they’d done that, the subsequent mistake might be to leave the slot uncovered, but that only burns you if there is a third player coming, which at that point you might have other forwards returning to provide cover.

    Reflective of mentality/system change from last year? I.e. “we’re giving them too many wide open looks from the front of the net”. Now they’ve become better at collapsing to the front of the net, but last nights brain farts were symptoms of a work in progress?

  80. 9,998,383,750,001 says:

    GCW_69:
    I was thinking about how MacT distanced himself from the Lowe GM era, saying he had nothing to do with management decisions at that time.

    I knew that word was going to be rehashed the moment he said it. “Management” can mean seven different things depending on how narrowly or broadly one wishes to construe it.

    I think you’re also leaning—implicitly—on the “taint” narrative. If you’re so much as in the room at the time a management decision is reached, you’re complicit in the final result, and even worse if you were asked to voice your opinion upon any matter along the way.

    This is the opposite of accountability if which the manager (or management group) responsible for the decision takes full responsibility for making it.

    As coach, MacT was up to his eyeballs in accountability already. His opinion from the front lines was surely valued, but it does nothing but confuse matters in the management suite to formally include the coach in the management nucleus.

    He probably wasn’t asked “is this how you would set up the scouting department if you were in charge?” The was probably asked questions about the relative priority of size/skill, in the present moment and near-term future.

    Head coach is probably the most exhausting job in the organization on a day to day basis. I once read an anecdote that went something like this: Two brothers (they might even have been twins) are in different high stress professions. One is a neurosurgeon or anaesthesiologist, the other is a top chef in a short-order kitchen at a multi-starred hotel. Of the two, typically the chef came home more exhausted.

    A coach, even a human sponge, probably isn’t looking—and shouldn’t be—for opportunities to tilt at the management group against the grain—supposing he thinks their collective will differs from how he would run the joint himself.

    His entire retort about “lop me into” was explicitly a counter-attack on the taint meme, that because he was there in one capacity, he shares blame in every capacity. The taint meme is connected to the same-old-crony meme, which plays out this way: because there’s never been a complete, total, clean break with the past, there’s never been adequate change in the management suite.

    Drucker explicit says when you put a person into a management position and the person fails, the problem usually lies with the decision to put the person into that role in the first place. He doesn’t recommend firing the failed person—who probably still has valued skills and a previous successful track record (or he wouldn’t have been promoted in the first place)—but moving the failed person to a complementary role for which he or she is best suited. Lowe brought many good things to the GM chair, and a few very bad things. He could undo six months of constructive work in five minutes by getting his dander up. Lowe’s anger management circuits are wired up like a Harrier jump jet. It’s just not a good idea to hand such a man a big red button or a live microphone.

    Years and years and years ago (doesn’t it seem like a long time yet?) Lowe’s big red button was taken away. I can’t even recall the last time I heard Lowe speak into a live microphone.

    I have a feeling that MacT generated an immense reserve of personal opinion about how things were being done less well than they could be, and he took all that off to MBA school to hone off some of the burrs.

    After sleeping on it, I didn’t think MacT’s performance was all that good. He came off as a man who hasn’t had enough sleep lately. He bent over backwards a little too far in trying not to queer Bob Nicholson’s mandate, and probably inflicted a hurt on his previously solid bond with Dallas Eakins. In better times this wound might heal and strengthen, or it might not.

    The taint temperature is so high around here that involvement/responsibility are starting to melt together.

    This is the witch doctor algorithm for dealing with group stress: identify the “taint” in the village, and run her into the forest (or him into the soup pot).

    Kubrick’s movie Paths of Glory illustrates the premise that you can execute just about anyone to good effect in lidding down simmering dissent.

    To deflect blame for the failure, Mireau decides to court martial 100 of the soldiers for cowardice. Broulard convinces him to reduce the number to three, one from each company. Corporal Paris is chosen because his commanding officer, Roget, wishes to keep him from testifying about his actions in the scouting mission. Private Ferol is picked by his commanding officer because he is a “social undesirable.” The last man, Private Arnaud, is chosen randomly by lot, despite having been cited for bravery twice previously.

    Drucker also says that “mistakes were made” is just part of life. If mistakes were made and lessons learned, then you’ve got a valuable asset—paid for in blood—that you don’t want to lose. There are limits, of course, in how many mistakes an organization can endure while all this learning takes place.

    MacT has made some fourteen roster changes already. When you get to the bottom of your coin purse, each additional move becomes far more risky. When you spend your last $800 on a ticket home in a cash transaction in a dark alley, it had better be a legitimate ticket and not a forged document. Plan B is looking pretty dire: wandering around in Yalta with no money while Putin’s peace keepers are massing across the tracks.

    Imagine you have a Jeep. The tires are in terrible condition, but you’ve got cash in hand to procure something serviceable. No problem. However, the engine is also blowing smoke and you’re not sure yet whether the recent repair to the cooling system fixed the leak or not. You sure can’t afford tires, a new radiator, and a gasket job all together. You’d probably get to your destination faster hitch-hiking on a tight belt, expending what cash you have on room/board. You’ve swapped in fourteen new parts over the past year and half—and many of those parts didn’t come with a Napa warranty.

    I’ve never argued that MacT made the right decision last summer on his coin purse operating margin. I’ve only argued that it’s a legitimately scary decision either way when you’re the guy with grey hair who has to step in front of the microphone come hell or high water.

    It shouldn’t have been this bad regardless. At the same time, that suggests his worries about the smoke and leaking water had some real substance in the first place.

    The story he wants to sell the free agents is not that we missed the playoffs by three points this year, but that we’re going to make the playoffs with 97 points two seasons from now. This is a delicate see-saw. There’s a limit to how deep you can dig into your purse in the here-and-now before the clever FA figures out that you’ve just robbed Peter to pay Paul. Missing the playoffs this season by three points would have only quelled the anger of our fan base temporarily. Everyone knows this.

    We yammer on as if making the playoffs is the bright line accomplishment, but it’s not entirely true. All this serves to do is reset the humiliation counter, like our win against SJ last night. Are we suddenly feeling great about Dallas Eakins? Hardly. Like a dose of Vicodan, it mostly gets you to “more, please”.

    The real accomplishment that will finally begin to lower the fan-base temperature in a lasting way is to get into a playoff series we could feasibly win. Every coin expended on any other goal is just another Vicodan from the dark man of instant relief who lurks in shadows on the street corner. Fresh tires today might have gotten us further down the road, but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk.

    If Klefbom continues his present level of play, the smoke becomes a lot less black. If Yak somehow finds his sniper sights again, it will turn out that the water leak is wiper fluid. Then I think we’ll have some fresh tires PDQ—a full set of five, with a viable spare securely bolted to the tail gate.

  81. haters says:

    Woodguy: Lol!

    You still post here!

    Lol!

    Yes I do you delusional half wit 🙂
    Feel free to ignore my post, I’ll be sure to return the favour.

  82. Bank Shot says:

    Woodguy: Every team has room for one soft minute secondary scoring line that gets a huge zone starts push.

    In that role DrySaddle is doing very well.

    Still rooking without the puck, but on the whole he’s done a good job.

    He’s the goods.

    Leon is doing well compared to whom?

    He’s number 1 in the NHL in offensive zone starts among players with over 10 games played.

    He plays the easiest minutes possible on the team by a large margin.

    Out of the top 30 NHL players with the most offensive zone starts he is tied for last in ES production with Trevor Lewis with 4 ES points. Lewis has only played 18 games mind you.

    The Oilers would be doing better with just about any other replacement level player playing those butter soft minutes as far as I can tell.

    The only way someone can say that Leon has played well is using the qualifier, for an 18 year old.

    Its nice that he is playing well for an 18 year old, but he hasn’t been playing well if we set the standard at average NHL player.

  83. Oilanderp says:

    vinotintazo: I actually agree with this,Schultz wastelling Draisailt to watch the man on that side – Even Scrivens was yelling, he took a peak, and had enough time. but decided to cover the middle… where schultz already was.

    He got benched after that for a bit. other than that, I think he played a good game.

    I always have a good laugh when Draisaitl’s line is on the ice and the puck is in the O-zone. 99% of the time LD is the first man in, always chasing the puck. An admirable trait in a fore-checker perhaps, but not necessarily what you want your center to be doing.

    First man in, last man back, and an inability to protect the front of the net and slot: isn’t that what cost Sammy Gags his tenure with the Oilers?

    I trust the coaching staff will work with LD in these aspects. I don’t see even a glimmer of a 200′ player yet.

  84. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy:
    frjohnk,

    Nice post.

    You pretty much nailed it.

    More NHL C’s and more saves too.

    If we wait till next Draisaitl maybe comes closer to covering the bet as a 2C.

    Here are the 20 year old season from some comparables over the last decade or so.

    GP G A Pts
    Evgeni Malkin 2006‑07 78 33 52 85
    Anze Kopitar 2007‑08 82 32 45 77
    Jonathan Toews 2008‑09 82 34 35 69
    Nicklas Bäckström 2007‑08 82 14 55 69
    John Tavares 2010‑11 79 29 38 67
    Joe Thornton 1999‑00 81 23 37 60
    RNH 2013‑14 80 19 37 56
    Jason Spezza 2003‑04 78 22 33 55
    Ryan O’Reilly 2011‑12 81 18 37 55
    Vincent Lecavalier2000‑0 68 23 28 51
    Patrik Berglund 2008‑09 76 21 26 47
    Derek Stepan 2010‑11 82 21 24 45
    Ryan Getzlaf 2005‑06 57 14 25 39
    Martin Hanzal 2007‑08 72 8 27 35
    Mark Scheifele 2013‑14 63 13 21 34
    Mike Richards 2005‑06 79 11 23 34

    If Draisaitl can get in Ryan OReilly range of 2011-12 next year, that would be beautiful. Probably would mean also mean Yak takes flight as well.

  85. rickithebear says:

    WPG team by WOWY: (age) (post lockout pt rank)
    Kane (23yr) (#90) ATLA #4 2009
    Schirefle (21yr) WPG #7 2011 Ahead of Couturier
    Wheeler (28yr) (#20) ATLA trade

    Ladd (28yr) (#30)ATLA trade
    Little (27yr) (#35) ATLA #12 2006
    Frolik (26yr) WPG Trade 2013 for 3rd and 5th

    Lowry (21yr) WPG #67 2011
    Perreault (28) WPG UFA 2014
    Byfuglien (29) ATLA trade

    Halischuck
    Slater (32) Atla #30 2002
    Thourburn (31) ATLA trade 2007

    Enstrom ATLA RD8 2003
    Postma ATLA RD7 2005
    Bogosian ATLA #3 2009
    Stuart ATLA Trade 2011
    Trouba WPG #9 2012
    Pardy WPG UFA 2013
    Clitsome WPG 2012 Waiver

    Pavalec Atla Draft/ WPG UFA resign
    Hutchinson UFA 2013

    SO Atla in BOLD
    WPG Lower Case.

    KANE-schiefle-WHEELER
    LADD-LITTLE-frolik
    lowry-pereault-ByFUGLIEN
    XXX-SLATER-THORBURN

    ENSTROM-BOGOSIAN
    trouba-STUART
    POSTMA-pardy
    clitsome

    PAVALEC
    Hutchinson

    Once again calling adding 2 top 10 picks into your top 6 aand top 4 D is not a fucking rebuild.
    especially with 3 of the top 35 players in the game and 4 top 90.

    Jesus fuck rebuild getts thrown around!

    And to say the wpg mgmt is good.
    Fuck Off!

  86. RexLibris says:

    Wherein I dissect the ppg pace and PDO of the Calgary Flames, updating my earlier RE series, and opine as to whether they are in imminent danger of a kick in the statisticles.

    http://flamesnation.ca/2014/12/8/flames-expectations-first-update

  87. Bank Shot says:

    frjohnk: If we wait till next Draisaitl maybe comes closer to covering the bet as a 2C.

    Here are the 20 year old season from some comparables over the last decade or so.

    GPGAPts
    Evgeni Malkin2006‑07 78335285
    Anze Kopitar2007‑08 82324577
    Jonathan Toews2008‑09 82343569
    Nicklas Bäckström 2007‑08 82145569
    John Tavares2010‑1179293867
    Joe Thornton1999‑0081233760
    RNH2013‑1480193756
    Jason Spezza 2003‑0478223355
    Ryan O’Reilly 2011‑1281183755
    Vincent Lecavalier2000‑068232851
    Patrik Berglund2008‑09 76212647
    Derek Stepan2010‑11 82212445
    Ryan Getzlaf2005‑0657142539
    Martin Hanzal2007‑087282735
    Mark Scheifele2013‑1463132134
    Mike Richards2005‑0679112334

    If Draisaitl can get in Ryan OReilly range of 2011-12 next year, that would be beautiful.Probably would mean also mean Yak takes flight as well.

    That’s how Oilers management will convince themselves that the center position is good going into next season.

  88. barry.moore23 says:

    Caramel Obvious: It was so bad that Schultz was trying to tell him where to go.

    Oh my this made me smile. I love Drai, the Oilers, and all of you guys 🙂

    Heads up, guys ….. Let’s keep our heads up. Better things coming.

  89. OilClog says:

    Watching the Brian Murray presser, would die to know his views of St. Eakins. Lol.

    “Turnovers, never competitive for 60mins, no systems set in place that work”

    “It all comes back to the man leading the troops”

    Sid

    “Dallas Eakins is still coaching and he doesn’t have a clue while Paul Maclean is done”

    Lol.

    Wasn’t MacT hired into management before Tambi was gone?? Isn’t he part of that previous regime lol

  90. frjohnk says:

    Bank Shot: That’s how Oilers management will convince themselves that the center position is good going into next season.

    LD is on pace for 6 goals 12 assists 18 points.

    He will get better.

    But at what pace?

    And how good will he get?

    We dont know.

    Oilers were expecting LD to fill the 2C role this year.

    Expectations were foolish as few do well as 19 year olds. Especially on teams that are at the bottom.

    History suggests that some players with his draft pedigree can cover the bet as a 2C as a 20 year old.

    But some take longer.

    Whatever happens, oiler brass will look at Draisaitl as the 2C next year no doubt.

  91. "Frank The Dog" says:

    frjohnk: Probably would mean also mean Yak takes flight as well.

    Take flight as in goes supernova, or takes flight as in runs away from the Oilers as fast as he can?
    I’m suspecting “supernova” but just want to make sure.

  92. "Frank The Dog" says:

    rickithebear: Fuck Off!

    I see your English grammar is coming on quite well 🙂

  93. TheGreatMutato says:

    haters,

    Oh, I recognize this guy.

    He was the dude behind me last night who kept yelling ‘shoot’ whenever the Oilers brought the puck in along the boards and below the goal-line. Good news is that by the third period he had gotten so frustrated in the team not responding to his instructions that he moved closer to ice level where he could be better heard. Eventually they heeded his call to “keep [your] feet movin’, gawwwwd” and dejected encouragement to “come onnnn boyyyyyys”.

    Thanks for making my night! 😀

  94. leadfarmer says:

    Bank Shot,

    Dont worry things will get better next year when they have two teenagers playing center.

  95. Lloyd B. says:

    I just listened to the Ottawa presser with Brian Murray about McLean being let go. The reasons he gave ring some serious bells. Problems with giveaways, poor defensive play, and forwards flying the D-Zone early. Same concerns occured last year with no change from the players this year. Sounds eerily familiar. It’s probably a good thing for Eakins that Murray is not the GM here.

  96. pocession charge says:

    Lowetide: He met Smid.

    You mean “Former Olympian Smid” right?

  97. TheGreatMutato says:

    leadfarmer,

    The tough part is that while the scouting staff was told to keep an eye on this “Mick David” character, they have yet to see him show up on any official prospect rankings. They may decide to trade down and try to get him in the second round.

  98. frjohnk says:

    “Frank The Dog”: Take flight as in goes supernova, or takes flight as in runs away from the Oilers as fast as he can?
    I’m suspecting “supernova” but just want to make sure.

    I’m not in the camp that believes that Yak goes “supernova”. But would love it if he did, but I don’t think so.

    More in the camp that Yak becomes a good support player to the river pushers RNH and Hall. 2nd line winger who puts up 25 goals or so a year.

    An actual 2nd line center would help him big time

  99. frjohnk says:

    RexLibris:
    Wherein I dissect the ppg pace and PDO of the Calgary Flames, updating my earlier RE series, and opine as to whether they are in imminent danger of a kick in the statisticles.

    http://flamesnation.ca/2014/12/8/flames-expectations-first-update

    almost forgot to mention

    nice work

  100. Pretendergast says:

    Im worried in 44 games klef will start to fall apart when the magic of Todd Nelson wears off and he’ll get sent down for being too big just like the last success story our team had on d.

  101. linkfromhyrule says:

    WRT to the firing of MacLean in Ottawa… Sounds like there is more to it than what is being let on by the Sens org. Hearing things like “some of the better players felt they had been singled out.” That is always a recipe for disaster, and the opposite of what has happened in Edmonton. Sounds to me like Karlsson, who is a wonder offensively, but lacking defensively. 49.2%CF. They also lack anything resembling a competent top 4D.

    Per Jason Gregor:
    “Maclean coaching record was 102-79-30 with the Senators. Made playoffs in 2012 and 2013. Missed last year. Two points out today.”

    The Sens also have an internal cap and one of the lowest payrolls in the NHL. What Maclean did there was nothing short of miraculous. This reeks of politics more than anything.

  102. frjohnk says:

    Pretendergast:
    Im worried in 44 games klef will start to fall apart when the magic of Todd Nelson wears off and he’ll get sent down for being too big just like the last success story our team had on d.

    If Klefbom builds on his game from last year, he might be the best oiler D on the roster by the time Petry gets traded.

    That makes me happy and sad at the same time.

  103. RexLibris says:

    frjohnk: almost forgot to mention

    nice work

    Thanks.

    It was interesting work to do. I look forward to the next update, at the 2/3 mark of the season, around the 54-ish game mark.

  104. DBO says:

    Yeah. fire Eakins and hire Maclean.

    And Nikitin on IR, so hopefully that means Marincin up and we actually see the best 6 dman we have playing at same time.

  105. papa96 says:

    I really don’t see how the McGinn goal can be put on Drai. I know that was Remenda’s take, but with respect I disagree.

    Watch the replay, Jultz started out hard from the Sharks’ zone and then literally glided in from centre ice. Never mind directing traffic for the rookie. Where did Jultz think he was supposed to be?

    Totally agree about Klef. He played a great game.

  106. Bag of Pucks says:

    rickithebear:
    WPG team by WOWY: (age) (post lockout pt rank)
    Kane (23yr) (#90) ATLA #4 2009
    Schirefle (21yr) WPG #7 2011 Ahead of Couturier
    Wheeler (28yr) (#20) ATLA trade

    Ladd (28yr) (#30)ATLA trade
    Little (27yr) (#35) ATLA #12 2006
    Frolik (26yr) WPG Trade 2013 for 3rd and 5th

    Lowry (21yr) WPG #67 2011
    Perreault (28) WPG UFA 2014
    Byfuglien (29) ATLA trade

    Halischuck
    Slater (32) Atla #30 2002
    Thourburn (31) ATLA trade 2007

    Enstrom ATLA RD8 2003
    Postma ATLA RD7 2005
    Bogosian ATLA #3 2009
    Stuart ATLA Trade 2011
    Trouba WPG #9 2012
    Pardy WPG UFA 2013
    Clitsome WPG 2012 Waiver

    Pavalec Atla Draft/ WPG UFA resign
    Hutchinson UFA 2013

    SO Atla in BOLD
    WPG Lower Case.

    KANE-schiefle-WHEELER
    LADD-LITTLE-frolik
    lowry-pereault-ByFUGLIEN
    XXX-SLATER-THORBURN

    ENSTROM-BOGOSIAN
    trouba-STUART
    POSTMA-pardy
    clitsome

    PAVALEC
    Hutchinson

    Once again calling adding 2 top 10 picks into your top 6 aand top 4 D is not a fucking rebuild.
    especially with 3of the top 35 players in the game and 4 top 90.

    Jesus fuck rebuild getts thrown around!

    And to say the wpg mgmtis good.
    Fuck Off!

    Didn’t say WPG mgmt was good. Said their scouting is.

    Chevaldayoff appears allergic to trading, but he has drafted some nice players and hired a good coach.

    I rate Ehlers very highly. Looks like the 2nd coming of Pavel Bure to these eyes.

  107. kinger_OIL says:

    If Dasshitty finishes this season with approx 80 games and has less than 20 points (which he is currently on), you would be be misguided to think that he can be your #2 C in a few years. There is not one #1 or #2 centre in the NHL that in their first year they played over 75 games and had less than 20 points… Lots that play a bunch of games, then go down to minors who scored less than 20 points, develop over a few years – So either Dasshitty starts putting up more points, and gets more than at least 20 points, or he gets sent down for more seasoning before the season ends. I know what most organizations do when developing offensive C’s…They either get ones who score right away, or they nurture them. Right now he is miles behind even say RNH in his first year. Our 2nd most offensive C is on pace for 16 points. Hate to say it but: Das is Shitty….

  108. "Frank The Dog" says:

    frjohnk: I’m not in the camp that believes that Yak goes “supernova”.But would love it if he did, but I don’t think so.

    More in the camp that Yak becomes a good support player to the river pushers RNH and Hall.2nd line winger who puts up 25 goals or so a year.

    An actual 2nd line center would help him big time

    I’d be happy either way. But we probably wouldn’t be ble to afford him if he did go SN.
    Nonetheless this was intended as a clarification from Ricki, in terms of his opinion on Yak expressed in Rickinglish. 🙂

  109. Oddspell says:

    Pretendergast,

    At the very least it will be evidence one way or the other for this theory.

  110. frjohnk says:

    kinger_OIL,

    “There is not one #1 or #2 centre in the NHL that in their first year they played over 75 games and had less than 20 points…”

    Joe Thornton says “hi”

  111. Khlhfs says:

    Just a little off topic here.

    With the upcoming road trip and Nikitin on the IR the Oil will need to call up a d-man. I know that Marincin seems likely although he’s struggled this season (albeit in the toughest possible roll whilst playing in the NHL). Since his stat lines from the past weekend don’t really imply much I’m curious if anyone here watched him play this weekend and what they thought.

    I’m also curious about Gernat given that his stat line says his development has gone sideways.

  112. kinger_OIL says:

    frjohnk:
    kinger_OIL,

    “There is not one #1 or #2 centre in the NHL that in their first year they played over 75 games and had less than 20 points…”

    Joe Thornton says “hi”

    Well if he says Hi: that’s great FRJOHNK, but in his first year, if he looked up his rookie card, he played approx 50 games…Read my post. Very long odds for Drai as an offensive C if his development continues this way….

  113. Bank Shot says:

    frjohnk:
    kinger_OIL,

    “There is not one #1 or #2 centre in the NHL that in their first year they played over 75 games and had less than 20 points…”

    Joe Thornton says “hi”

    Thornton only played 55 games in his first season. I agree with you in spirit though.

    Thornton like Draisaitl had a horrible first season.
    On the other hand, Thornton is kind of the exception to the rule so using him as a comp could be dangerous.

    Leon could become a top flight center in this league. Probably not Thornton good but, you have to think he could be at least a strong number two guy.

    The only question is how long it will take him to get there, and if the Oilers are willing to gamble another season seeing how fast he will progress.

    I am willing to bet they will gamble based on their 10 year history (and Mact’s 18 month*).

  114. Jon K says:

    kinger_OIL,

    You don’t know that. You don’t know that because it is impossible to know at this stage.

    If Draisaitl was in the dub and on pace for 150 points you or someone else would be here saying he’s the second coming of Gretzky.

    Draisaitl doesn’t belong in the NHL right now, we agree there. Projecting his future with what we have now is silliness.

  115. RexLibris says:

    Khlhfs:
    Just a little off topic here.

    With the upcoming road trip and Nikitin on the IR the Oil will need to call up a d-man. I know that Marincin seems likely although he’s struggled this season (albeit in the toughest possible roll whilst playing in the NHL). Since his stat lines from the past weekend don’t really imply much I’m curious if anyone here watched him play this weekend and what they thought.

    I’m also curious about Gernat given that his stat line says his development has gone sideways.

    The Christmas roster freeze is coming as well.

    I expect them to IR Nikitin and recall Lander and Marincin. Lander for Gordon, Marincin for Nikitin.

    Oilers will win a few, make us all feel all warm and fuzzy over Christmas, then in January send Marincin back down and replace him with Nikitin and trade Petry. It’ll be the Oilers equivalent to the credit card bill in the mail. 🙂

    j/k on that last part….I hope.

  116. kinger_OIL says:

    Jon K:
    kinger_OIL,

    You don’t know that. You don’t know that because it is impossible to know at this stage.

    If Draisaitl was in the dub and on pace for 150 points you or someone else would be here saying he’s the second coming of Gretzky.

    Draisaitl doesn’t belong in the NHL right now, we agree there. Projecting his future with what we have now is silliness.

    I don’t “know” that if he scores less then 20 points and plays over 75 games, that he won’t be an offensive D (a #1 or #2 C), but the stats “show” that it hasn’t happened in the current NHL. So hopefully either he scores lots more, or he gets sent down to develop. It would be not prudent to assume that should he continue on a 16 point pace this year, and play for the whole season, he will develop into an elite C: it just doesn’t happen for C’s in the NHL.

  117. Post Morty says:

    kinger_OIL: Dasshitty

    Classy.

  118. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Jon K:
    kinger_OIL,

    You don’t know that. You don’t know that because it is impossible to know at this stage.

    If Draisaitl was in the dub and on pace for 150 points you or someone else would be here saying he’s the second coming of Gretzky.

    Draisaitl doesn’t belong in the NHL right now, we agree there. Projecting his future with what we have now is silliness.

    Very few people have had consistently good numbers on this team this year. This team has been paralysed by management interference in lines, pairings and minutes, dithering over tryouts well into the season, and a goalie coach that ruined his charges.
    Seems they had to get to 1/3rd empty seats in Rexall before they took notice and allowed Eakins to restore some common sense into the lineup.
    I’m suggesting that Yak, Drai and a few other are better than their numbers indicate at present, and I’m impressed with Drai’s progress – by eye – this far.
    Edit: I also think MacT is a better manager by far than KLowe, though that’s not a high bar either.

  119. RexLibris says:

    Post Morty: Klassy.

    Fixed.

  120. Pouzar says:

    Khlhfs,

    RE:Gernat
    From my AHL viewings, and I am no scout Gord knows, I think Oesterle has surpassed him.

  121. RexLibris says:

    “Frank The Dog”: Very few people have had consistently good numbers on this team this year. This team has been paralysed by management interference in lines, pairings and minutes, dithering over tryouts well into the season, and a goalie coach that ruined his charges.
    Seems they had to get to 1/3rd empty seats in Rexall before they took notice and allowed Eakins to restore some common sense into the lineup.
    I’m suggesting that Yak, Drai and a few other are better than their numbers indicate at present, and I’m impressed with Drai’s progress – by eye – this far.

    I would agree.

    Draisaitl has shown well in his defensive game (for such a young center on a team so prone to the WTF/60) and is making plays in his offensive zone that, often as not, are dying on the sticks of his teammates. Not entirely their fault either, everyone is snakebitten. But the hockey sense is there and even though he is capable of slowing the game down, I like how he can think at full speed.

    Man, is he calm.

    Leon the Professional, indeed.

  122. kinger_OIL says:

    Post Morty: Classy.

    That was my “nickname” for him when everyone was trying to come up with cool nicks for him after he was drafted. I worried that playing him this year in the NHL was not a good idea (so did some smart guy named LT!), and it would be a “sh%tty thing” for him: hence my nick DasShitty. Really for a C with his zone starts, if you looked at the league, his numbers are pretty “sh%tty! The narrative though is eerily similar to Lander: “yeah but to eye he’s good, and he’s going to be a 200 ft player…”At least they are following the model correctly with Lander: wasn’t scoring at NHL level, so back to get developed and cups of coffee each year to see how he’s doing…

  123. Zangetsu says:

    Paul Maclean…

  124. Oddspell says:

    Bank Shot,

    Thornton only played 55 games but he was on pace for 10 points total. It should be noted that Draisaitl has already nearly matched Thornton’s first season total in 27 games. This is a case where I don’t think the point total accurate reflects the guys skills. He’s not there yet but he has shown evidence that he can be a brilliant offensive player.

    That said, Thornton is definitely the exception not the rule.

  125. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Oddspell:
    Bank Shot,

    Thornton only played 55 games but he was on pace for 10 points total. It should be noted that Draisaitl has already nearly matched Thornton’s first season total in 27 games.

    That said, Thornton is definitely the exception, not the rule.

    I’d also classify the Oilers as the exception to the rule. Exceptionally inept.
    Let’s hope that’s history now. But let me ask this: If only on team out of 30 use their team to develop players, and every other team develops their players elsewhere, who are they going to beat?

  126. Oddspell says:

    “Frank The Dog”,

    Oh I agree, I think it’s crazy that we all knew Drai would stay before camp even started. I think he wasn’t good enough in his first 9 games to warrant the extra stay (even though he’s probably good enough now). I think despite Leon’s rapid improvement, our C depth is one of the major contributors to our record.

    I also think it’s a little premature to start talking about Draisaitl’s offensive ceiling (or lack there of) based on the first 27 games of his 18 year old rookie season that he arguably shouldn’t be playing.

  127. RexLibris says:

    Zangetsu:
    Paul Maclean…

    Too bad.

    NIce guy, but his successes were also the result of extraordinary good fortune.

    I hope he lands somewhere good and runs as a successful asst. coach somewhere for a long time.

  128. Bruce McCurdy says:

    frjohnk: “There is not one #1 or #2 centre in the NHL that in their first year they played over 75 games and had less than 20 points…”

    Joe Thornton says “hi”

    I had the same guy’s 7-point rookie season up in another window in preparation to comment. Of course he only played 55 games, if he’d played the full 75 suggested he would have had 9 or 10 points. But certainly <<<<<< 20.

    Drai needs just 1 point in his next 28 games to match Jumbo Joe's rookie campaign. Seems to me he turned out OK.

  129. Lowetide says:

    The thing about Leon is that he doesn’t look out of place. Out of position? Sure, that’s going to happen from time to time with any young player.

  130. fifthcartel says:

    Kelser had 6 points in 28 games the first year he played, he was 19.

    Fisher/Seguin/O’Reilly/Johansen had a little bit more scoring ranging from 0.28-0.32 ppg. All were 19 except O”Reilly. Leon is at 0.22 ppg, but could easily bridge that gap with the remainder of the season.

    Of course, there’s also names like James Sheppard, and Many Malhotra who only scored at 0.22 ppg like Leon is at currently at. But, I’m confident in Leon’s skill that he’ll have a better career, and probably rookie season, than either of those two.

    If he can get up to a Seguin/O’Reilly rookie season I wouldn’t be too worried.

  131. Bank Shot says:

    RexLibris: I would agree.

    Draisaitl has shown well in his defensive game (for such a young center on a team so prone to the WTF/60) and is making plays in his offensive zone that, often as not, are dying on the sticks of his teammates. Not entirely their fault either, everyone is snakebitten. But the hockey sense is there and even though he is capable of slowing the game down, I like how he can think at full speed.

    Man, is he calm.

    Leon the Professional, indeed.

    You are talking “saw him good”, but his numbers suck very badly considered the prime icetime he is using up.

    How much better would the Oilers be doing if Hall was getting a bigger share of those minutes?

    Quite a lot I would think.

  132. frjohnk says:

    I was also one of the guys banging the drum in the summer that Draisaitl is not ready for 2 C and actually listed guys who were actually ready to play center right after their draft in the last decade. its a small list

    I don’t know how to find comments from the past on this site but IIRC the only centers who did OK right after the draft and actually played center that first year in the last decade were

    Crosby
    Tavares
    Duchene

    Off the top of my head, there could have been a few others, Stamkos had a slow start, played more wing, Staal mostly played wing, RNH was great on the PP but was not ready physically or defensively, Mackinnon played mostly wing Most guys start on the wing.

    Center is extremely tough to play for a 18 or 19 year old. Draisaitl should have been at least put on the wing.

    For me its not a matter of if but when Leon becomes the player we need.

  133. Bank Shot says:

    fifthcartel:
    Kelser had 6 points in 28 games the first year he played, he was 19.

    Comparing guys like Kesler to any player on the Oilers will always be a poor comparison IMO.

    Guys like Kesler earned every minute of their icetime, and only ended up with prime scoring line icetime after they had shown that they were capable of being a difference maker in that ice time.

    Oilers young players haven’t faced those obstacles since 05-06.

    Like how we kept expect Gagner to breakout offensively in his 3rd or 4th season and he never did, because he was already getting the good minutes in his 1st and 2nd season. As such, we overrated his potential.

  134. frjohnk says:

    Draisaitl

    Size-check
    Vision-check
    Passing- check

    His biggest problems
    He is lacking in first step quickness and still trying to get used to the fast pace. If he can get quicker, that will allow for him to slow the game down. When that happens… just look at this video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkR-F14cK1Y
    He can dominate with his strength and vision.

    Oilers may have felt that it was best for him to work on his weaknesses with the oilers.

    PA was a cluster**** at the beginning of the year. Worse than the oilers if you can imagine.

    And the oilers had no other options for 2nd C.

    That’s why they kept him.

    Whether or not that was the best thing for him, we don’t know.

  135. "Frank The Dog" says:

    How much of MM’s demise is related to making him play RD?

  136. RexLibris says:

    Bank Shot: You are talking “saw him good”, but his numbers suck very badly considered the prime icetime he is using up.

    How much better would the Oilers be doing if Hall was getting a bigger share of those minutes?

    Quite a lot I would think.

    Not necessarily. Hall is a stud player, but there isn’t really a tonne of overlap between the two and we don’t want Eakins playing Hall 28 minutes a night a la Nugent-Hopkins.

    I know Draisaitl’s numbers are no screaming hell, and that is why I’d like to see him get more veteran winger pairings and spend some time out there with Petry on the back end. Give him some support and go.

    I’d have preferred another option to developing him in the NHL, but we have to look at what has happened and be objective in our analysis, giving credit where due.

  137. frjohnk says:

    Just looking at some players who were not very good at 19 but really improved at 20 years old.

    Ryan Smyth went from 11 points in 48 games as a 19 year old to 61 points in 82 games.
    Ryan Oreilly went from 26 points in 74 games as a 19 year old to 55 points in 81 games

    There are quite a few guys who do terrible their first year, but then the improvenemnt the next year is amazing.

    Owen Nolan 3 goals in first year in 59 games
    next year 42 goals

    Check it out
    http://www.quanthockey.com/hockey-stats/en/profile.php?player=4372

    Draisaitl too?

  138. Ca$h-Money! says:

    frjohnk,

    Heck, even Duchene struggled at times, with 28 ponts in 58 games in his 3rd year.

    NHL isn’t a development league, unless you are a winger, and even then. No place for a rookie C. The Oilers won’t amount to much until they start looking at drafted players & existing prospects as gravy: You’lve got to have a complete roster you are comfortable icing before adding them to the mix, every single year.

  139. godot10 says:

    Bank Shot: Thornton only played 55 games in his first season. I agree with you in spirit though.

    Thornton like Draisaitl had a horrible first season.
    On the other hand, Thornton is kind of the exception to the rule so using him as a comp could be dangerous.

    Leon could become a top flight center in this league. Probably not Thornton good but, you have to think he could be at least a strong number two guy.

    The only question is how long it will take him to get there, and if the Oilers are willing to gamble another season seeing how fast he will progress.

    Pat Burns didn’t view the NHL as a development league. Thornton didn’t get any points because he didn’t play, only 50 something games, and then on the 4th line with plugs, and no cherry time, power plays, or zone starts.

    Draisaitl is being gifted lots of ice time, and premium zone starts and is doing nearly eff all.

  140. Bank Shot says:

    RexLibris: Not necessarily. Hall is a stud player, but there isn’t really a tonne of overlap between the two and we don’t want Eakins playing Hall 28 minutes a night a la Nugent-Hopkins.

    I know Draisaitl’s numbers are no screaming hell, and that is why I’d like to see him get more veteran winger pairings and spend some time out there with Petry on the back end. Give him some support and go.

    I’d have preferred another option to developing him in the NHL, but we have to look at what has happened and be objective in our analysis, giving credit where due.

    I meant they could have used someone else in Draisaitl’s place like an Olli Jokinen, and fed all of those offensive zone starts to Hall, not give Hall increased minutes. Just better minutes.

    As it stands right now, Draisaitl and Marcobello are getting the best o-zone starts and neither are doing a lot with those minutes. The Oilers have some young star scoring forwards. They could be using them more to their strengths if they are serious about winning games.

    The Oilers would really have a lot more options for forward deployment if they had picked up a center that they could count on not getting run over by average NHL competition.

    There really isn’t much credit to give to Draisaitl IMO.

    He hasn’t performed well given his easy role on the team. I feel like excuses are being made for Leon just like they were made for Justin Schultz in his first two seasons.

  141. Pouzar says:

    Sidebar: Vanek just has to be the first Captain of any new Vega franchise…right? Too soon?

  142. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    LT,
    I’ve seen you do this four or five times now. Hanifin. We’ll likely all know how to spell it very soon.

    Bag of Pucks,

    I wanted Voracek over Gagner back in 2007, but Sam Gagner was not a bad pick. Out of that draft class he more than covered his bet. Yes, the Oilers did miss on Subban, Couture, McDonagh and Voracek. But only Voracek at the time could be reasonably argued to be ranked higher at the time.

    Also I take offense to your labeling Cherepanov a bad pick. RIP, young man.

  143. GCW_69 says:

    9,998,383,750,001: As coach, MacT was up to his eyeballs in accountability already. His opinion from the front lines was surely valued, but it does nothing but confuse matters in the management suite to formally include the coach in the management nucleus.
    He probably wasn’t asked “is this how you would set up the scouting department if you were in charge?” The was probably asked questions about the relative priority of size/skill, in the present moment and near-term future.

    You would not expect the coach to be asked about setting up the scouting department, but you could easily expect the coach to have input into which players are traded, resigned (and their relative value to the team), traded for, promoted or demoted, and potentially drafted. MacT washed his hands of all of that. He could have said, I gave input but the decisions were made by Lowe and Howson, but he didn’t. He said he had nothing to do with it.

    As coach, I would expect you would want a say. The players you have at your disposal go a long way to how successful you are going to be.

    In reality, he was probably lying. But it was a stupid thing to say either way. He either undermined his qualifications, or he undermined his credibility. He would have been much smarter to say nothing about that era and focus on the future.

  144. GCW_69 says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: I wanted Voracek over Gagner back in 2007,

    Me too. Bobby Mac had Voracek rated higher than Gagner. It wasn’t a reach pick, but going against consensus bit them in the ass.

  145. sliderule says:

    HeadScout,

    How are you doing Stu?

  146. Bulging Twine says:

    re Drafting:

    After this last draft Stu said that he had to convince MacT to take another goalie in the draft.

    BCJHL picks – Stu said that Kellen Jones was a player that he personally had a passion for. At least that one BCJHL pick was his idea.

  147. malinpaul says:

    was worried about klef at the start of the year… it would be great if jultz could turn things around.

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