DALLAS EAKINS FIRED

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  1. "Frank The Dog" says:

    hunter1909:
    Once Katz read my Failgasm post, it was inevitable.

    Honestly that is one of the best posts I have ever read.

  2. leadfarmer says:

    LoL, at the start of the year I had Eakins gone by Christmas. Guess I was right with a week and a half still to spare. Hopefully no more Marlie reclamation projects.

  3. Dicky94 says:

    I said last night I was done watching this team until there was a trade or somone gets canned. Now I have to keep watching them I guess. Feel bad for Dallas and his family and I am sure he will be a coach in the NHL again someday. On the other hand I am super excited to see what Todd Nelson can do. Have a feeling we might see a lot of call ups between now and the end of the season.

  4. OilClog says:

    Friedman is on Tim and Sid.

    Todd’s getting a look to see what he can do.

    The guy in San Jose is probably coming here if our Todd doesn’t have a .810 winning %

    I’m actually excited to see the next game, it’s a strange feeling, will be interesting to see.

  5. The Full Nelson says:

    Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 44s45 seconds ago
    Kelly Buchberger will join OKC coaching staff on an interim basis as Oilers organizational shuffle continues.

  6. PhrankLee says:

    Hey LT, Raucous mob,

    What’s the feeling out there about when or if the NHL actually needs to step in on this club.
    Is that what we’re seeing now?
    How many super star potentials, including coaches, are we going to be allowed to recklessly squander before the governing body of the league is forced to step in?

    It never happened in Long Island… (that guy is nuts)

    This has a direct bearing on the future marketability of the NHL.

  7. OilClog says:

    If I was Nelson, I’d strip the C from Ference and have no captains for the rest of the year. Unless he’s not scared to skybox him.

    Since his callout he’s only escaped beheading due to all the Jultz down the Hallsy that has been happening. Ferencing in the corner is quickly making me wonder if Nick Schultz has come back.

  8. Rondo says:

    Chris Peters @chrismpeters · 2h 2 hours ago
    What happens if the top prospects start tanking to avoid the Oilers?

  9. RexLibris says:

    Yost has a nice article on the Oilers and the percentages contributing to Eakins’ firing: http://www.tsn.ca/percentages-end-eakins-time-with-oilers-1.160513

  10. G Money says:

    PhrankLee,

    I’m not sure what the point in speculating on that is. There is no circumstance other than owner abdication (either because of financial shortfall or extreme misconduct like with Donald Sterling) that a league could or would consider stepping in to run a team. Even though each team operates within the confines the leagues rules, its still a private corporation.

  11. The Full Nelson says:

    Rondo:
    Chris Peters @chrismpeters·2h 2 hours ago
    What happens if the top prospects start tanking to avoid the Oilers?

    Then the chances of signing a rookie-max contract anywhere, decreases.

  12. Truth says:

    The situation was probably getting pretty close to Katz clearing out everyone. MacT just bought himself some time in the hopes that they turn it around. I still see a new GM, coach, and president of hockey ops by the start of next season. My apathy level is continuing to climb, unfortunately.

  13. GXL says:

    Oh great, now the Oilers can’t even loose properly. I have faith that Nelson will be able to right this ship. He’s an excellent coach and should of been given the reigns before Eakins. The only problem I see here is that he will be taking away the Oilers chances of landing MacDavid.

    GXL

  14. Kitchener says:

    Thoughts on player personnel:

    – Jultz had unreal dominance with Nelson in the AHL. Optimistically, perhaps Nelson holds the keys to getting Jultz back on track.
    – Nelson saw Arcobello dominate the AHL last year. For the time being, Nelson likely thinks of Arco as a scoring threat.
    – No coach has a better chance of helping Lander transition to the NHL.
    – This is positive news for Klefbom.

    It’ll be interesting to see Nelson dish out ice time. In OKC his mandate was to develop. Now the mandate should be to win.

  15. spoiler says:

    What To Do Next?

    I think that’s the question now.

    How do you get this team to change its mindset, forget as best they can the past 20 games and move forward with a fresh attitude?

    Changing coaches will help, but what do you do if you are that coach coming into that room?

    I think I take them out golfing in Phoenix this afternoon, and then have a team meeting tomorrow morning and tell them to just go out, have fun, score goals, and not to worry about the win, just get some fun back in their game.

  16. PhrankLee says:

    G Money: I’m not sure what the point in speculating on that is.

    What’s the point on speculating about anything?

    Wondering aloud.

    I would love to see the NHL force a sale or something like that. If it’s wishful thinking I believe I am well within my right. Something needs to happen.

  17. "Frank The Dog" says:

    The Full Nelson:
    Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger44s45 seconds ago
    Kelly Buchberger will join OKC coaching staff on an interim basis as Oilers organizational shuffle continues.

    Todd’s fucking successor. Trust me.
    Brain explodes.
    #ThanksDaryl!

  18. ashley says:

    PhrankLee: What’s the point on speculating about anything?

    Wondering aloud.

    I would love to see the NHL force a sale or something like that. If it’s wishful thinking I believe I am well within my right. Something needs to happen.

    It’s not really the league’s mandate to rescue financially stable floundering teams which makes it really unlikely. It would make the entire NHL look silly for the league to make such a move. Mickey Mouse as Gretzky would say.

  19. russ99 says:

    “Frank The Dog”: Todd’s fucking successor. Trust me.
    Brain explodes.
    #ThanksDaryl!

    LOL – that was my first thought too. I really hope that doesn’t happen.

  20. Caramel Obvious says:

    PhrankLee: What’s the point on speculating about anything?

    Wondering aloud.

    I would love to see the NHL force a sale or something like that. If it’s wishful thinking I believe I am well within my right. Something needs to happen.

    Well within your right to what? I can’t even imagine what that means.

    As to the league stepping in and forcing Katz to sell, well, on a site with many ludicrous and horrible ideas, this might top the cake.

    First, on what fucking basis? Losing too much? The NHL is a zero sum game. At any one time there is always going to be a team with a horrible track record of losing.

    Second, there isn’t a market for this team. In case you hadn’t noticed there isn’t a waiting list of people who want to buy NHL teams. Getting rid of an owner who wants to own a team is something the NHL would never, ever, do. Nor should it.

  21. PhrankLee says:

    ashley: Mickey Mouse as Gretzky would say.

    And he was a young cocky prick at the time of saying that.

    League’s mandate is to profit the owners. That’s it.

    Im on a board or two. Business is business. The league seems like a big thing until you realize it’s 30 (by and large) guys sitting around Palm Springs trying to sell tickets WITH one another.

  22. book¡je says:

    ashley: It’s not really the league’s mandate to rescue financially stable floundering teams which makes it really unlikely.It would make the entire NHL look silly for the league to make such a move.Mickey Mouse as Gretzky would say.

    Only thing that might happen is that the NHL president might make a call to an owner and say “Are you sure you don’t want to change things – its bad for the league and people are laughing at you?”

  23. PhrankLee says:

    Caramel Obvious: As to the league stepping in and forcing Katz to sell, well, on a site with many ludicrous and horrible ideas, this might top the cake.

    I did hear it here a day or two ago. The idea of the league stepping in. We have also discussed relegation.

  24. russ99 says:

    Unless there’s some definitive proof (on paper) that the team purposely tanked the last X years (and the next one and a half) to make sure that Northlands doesn’t see any playoff revenue, there’s no way the NHL does anything substantive.

    (wink, wink)

  25. Caramel Obvious says:

    PhrankLee: I did hear it here a day or two ago. The idea of the league stepping in. We have also discussed relegation.

    What does it mean to “discuss” relegation? Did you also discuss who would win in a fight, the tooth fairy or the easter bunny?

  26. PhrankLee says:

    russ99:
    Unless there’s some definitive proof (on paper) that the team purposely tanked the last X years (and the next one and a half) to make sure that Northlands doesn’t see any playoff revenue, there’s no way the NHL does anything substantive.

    Yeah It would have to be very blatant, I agree.

  27. Szach says:

    Too bad that it is not acceptable to demote and recall coaches. A conditioning stint for Dallas in OKC would be good for the organization as well as the team. In my opinion, Eakins is much better suited at this point to development with his strategies whereas Nelson seems to be much more conservative and therefore more suited to the NHL game. Nelson seems to be more in tune with his players which may go a long way with the current group who got a hard ass after uber positive Kruger. With the demotion/recall thing – if it did not work at least there would create the perception that they were doing something new as we waited for a new pick. Anyway, hope that Nelson follows the footsteps of our last good AHL coach named Claude Julien.

  28. The Full Nelson says:

    PhrankLee: I did hear it here a day or two ago. The idea of the league stepping in. We have also discussed relegation.

    Although it’s quite long, there are some telling hints in these interviews about NHL ownership:

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-owners-larry-tanenbaum-jeremy-jacobs-murray-edwards-with-george-stroumboulopoulos/

    Also: Who discussed relegation seriously? I can’t even begin to think about all the problems with that.

  29. PhrankLee says:

    Caramel Obvious: Did you also discuss who would win in a fight, the tooth fairy or the easter bunny?

    Not sure what you’re getting at with that one. I read with keen interest when the idea of relegation came up in regards to under-performing NHL teams. I think I even heard it mentioned on this blogger’s radio show at the time of the post.

    And every idiot knows the tooth fairy would eviscerate the fucking Easter bunny in an eye blink, duh.

  30. "Frank The Dog" says:

    So MacT is only there long enough to help Nelson get firmly into the saddle. I worry when MacT says “get to know the players” because tha tmeans they don’t get a clean sheet with Nelson. The banished stay banished! Then there’s meet Bucky, the Oilers Head Coach in waiting, as he always has been.

    Outside of Bucky this is mostly a positive development. Todd has proven himself to be a capable coach able to get the best out of a continually changing roster. He’s known to the young cluster, did well with them, and is respected by them.

    He’s matter of fact, down to earth, and “get’s it”. I dare say within a few games we’ll start seeing some common sense roster moves and some more points scored. Also, minutes handed out a little more appropriately. At best he will be able to make Petry reconsider leaving, bring Marincin back into the fold, and bring out whatever potential Jultz may actually have.

    If we continue to see puzzling roster moves, puzzling ice time, etc then it’s not Nelson. It’s Katz.
    I’m not sure if we’ll see a dramatic difference in Phoenix, but it’s entirely possible.

    Cautiously optimistic once again – maybe for a game or 3.

  31. And your name is? says:

    It just dawned on my that my generation’s celebration of short media was the game show Name That Tune. Slaps forehead. I really should have seen Twitter coming. Today’s generation plays the game in reverse, at scale, under the name not mentioned, Strike That Pose.

    In my post, I was playing around with a more peripheral meme.

    They also hired a ‘past his prime’ Pat Quinn as coach, who in later reports couldn’t even remember the names of Sam Gagner and Robbie Schremp.

    Does everyone and their dog know this meme (I think I only got this second hand myself), or is it just another insider’s inside joke? Of course, I’m also commenting on the painful duration of the get-to-know-you process which no external hire of quality can sweep aside.

    The iconic symbol of the black mask (along with the first three notes of the William Tell Overture) is firmly situated in the TLI-verse (Too Little Information). To my taste, a garland of braided onions makes for a better soup.

    In my treatment, I reworked the black mask as a physical impediment disrupting binocular vision and proper depth perception. If the hot-button word or symbol is not reworked at some level, it’s just not original—unless the intended effect is to win Best in Show at the Tickle Trunk jamboree. (Interesting tidbit: sourgrass does not belong to the grass family, but you can plant it in your front yard, nevertheless.)

    It’s pretty rare that a Tweet—even the most hilarious and acerbic Tweet—fails to evoke in me a subliminal identification with my own generation’s ill-fated exploration of the snippet medley.

    Eventually the show degenerated into Ringo vs Dead Ringer, with bidding in quarter note increments and soon it was off the air.

  32. The Full Nelson says:

    PhrankLee: And every idiot knows the tooth fairy would eviscerate the fucking Easter bunny in an eye blink, duh.

    You might want to reconsider that claim: http://static.tumblr.com/feavbj4/rSem2wf93/killer-rabbit-knight-attack.jpg

  33. Zelepukin says:

    At least with MacT coaching a couple games we’ll be able to see if there is any difference at all between his deployment and the team’s response vs Eakins’ and then if there is any difference with Nelson’s.

  34. B S says:

    I’m surprised this hasn’t made any of the comments yet.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE

    Theme for the Oilers coaching position.

  35. hoser313 says:

    Numenius,

    My bad. Eakins was a defenseman too. I thought he was a MacT energy type forward for some reason.

    Will be interesting to see what they do on defense.

  36. kinger_OIL says:

    Gong show city: rookie coach comes in to replace a rookie coach, who replaced another rookie coach. (all hired and fired by rookie GM’s, the last who was once fired as the team’s coach) Todd doesn’t have to worry though: as no “real” coach will take the job, unless the whole organization is gutted. OIL = coach killer. Sadly, (perhaps because I live in Toronto and hate the Leafs, and have perspective) I think I was the first person in this blog to suggest, on day 1 of the hire, that Eakins was an arrogant prick, that wouldn’t work and got crucified at the time. : I do feel awful for his family: his children will be scarred, a very difficult time. I remember once when my Dad lost his job, and I was terrified as a kid: for his kids though, in the fishbowl they are in, must be awful for them. He really did deserve better. Got to start again with this organization: MacT has nuthin’ anyone should be buyin’. Now they probably draft 5th: just awesome…

  37. Gordies Elbow says:

    PhrankLee: Not sure what you’re getting at with that one. I read with keen interest when the idea of relegation came up in regards to under-performing NHL teams.I think I even heard it mentioned on this blogger’s radio show at the time of the post.

    The only performance that the NHL cares about is financial.

    Relegation would solve for exactly what?

  38. B S says:

    Also, is it wrong that my first thought upon hearing the news was “did MacT use skype?”

  39. Kitchener says:

    More personnel thoughts:

    If…
    – RNH is 1C
    – Nelson likes Arco
    – Nelson likes Lander
    – Gordon/Hendricks can play 4C

    Then perhaps Drai will play World Juniors. The Oilers can decide how Drai spends the rest of the season (Edmonton/WHL/Europe) in January. With Eakins it appeared Leon was here to stay, but everything just exploded.

  40. delooper says:

    I’m not so sure this development is a positive. It seems like more of the same to me. Good coaches come to the Oilers and look bad. Good players come to the Oilers and look bad. Bad players leave the Oilers, and are rapidly rehabilitated into good NHL players who subsequently score goals against the Oilers at will. I feel like I’ve seen way too much of this since 2006.

  41. PhrankLee says:

    The Full Nelson: You might want to reconsider that claim: http://static.tumblr.com/feavbj4/rSem2wf93/killer-rabbit-knight-attack.jpg

    Im sorry but I think you selected the Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog by mistake.
    Not Easter Bunny.

    Ho ho ho.

  42. "Frank The Dog" says:

    kinger_OIL:
    Gong show city: rookie coach comes in to replace a rookie coach, who replaced another rookie coach. (all hired and fired by a rookie GM who was once fired as the team’s coach)Todd doesn’t have to worry though: as no “real” coach will take the job, unless the whole organization is gutted.OIL = coach killer.Sadly, (perhaps because I live in Toronto and hate the Leafs, and have perspective) I think I was the first person in this blog to suggest, on day 1 of the hire,that Eakins was an arrogant prick, that wouldn’t work and got crucified at the time. : I do feel awful for his family: his children will be scarred, a very difficult time.I remember once when my Dad lost his job, and I was terrified as a kid: for his kids though, in the fishbowl they are in, must be awful for them.He really did deserve better.Got to start again with this organization: MacT has nuthin’ anyone should be buyin’.Now they probably draft 5th: just awesome…

    Did it ever occur to you that every NHL Head Coach is a rookie at least once in his NHL career?
    So, if someone is not a rookie then they are a failed HC. Of course, they usually fail because the team that they coached for were morons. Like the Oilers were with Eakins etc.
    I think Nelson is the most logical coach for this position. He’s not only known to the players and to the organization, but he’s also been successful in his role.
    I think I’d prefer a successful rookie who has never failed, to a failed head coach, in most situations.

    Doesn’t really matter though. Nelson will just be there long enough until he is succeeded by Bucky, how about to lead the Stanley Cup run in the new Arena. I wonder if Fleming sees the target on his back?

  43. PhrankLee says:

    Gordies Elbow: The only performance that the NHL cares about is financial.

    Yeah, I said that earlier. And I like the idea of relegation because it puts more pressure on ownership to ice good teams.

    PhrankLee: League’s mandate is to profit the owners. That’s it.

  44. Bobbin Roundlee says:

    This is MacT saving his job. MacT was a better coach than he is proving to be a GM.

    Kevin Lowe was a better hockey player than GM or POHO.

    Daryl Katz was a better pharmacy owner than a NHL team owner but at least Katz is not so stupid to realize that his brand has taken a major hit around the league. With sportscasters constantly harping on how mismanaged the Oilers are, no biggy. Empty seats at Rexall that are paid for HUGE.

    A new building downtown that will need to be filled and selling Oilers related merchandise and related refreshments, etc. is the deciding factor in how quickly friendships take a back seat to business.

  45. TheGreatMutato says:

    On the lighter side, I’ve been coping with another tough season the way I usually do – horribly done Photoshops. In the spirit of community, I thought some of you may enjoy these.

    http://i.imgur.com/qiELciv.png

    http://i.imgur.com/l0H5Rdu.jpg

  46. Gordies Elbow says:

    Kitchener,

    Europe is not an option for Draisatl. He’s a CHL player, and the NHL-CHL agreement doesn’t allow for it.

    He’s with Edmonton or Prince Albert. Prince Albert could use him, they just had their 5th straight loss to the Medicine Hat Tigers. PA’s coached by former Oiler Marc Habscheid.

  47. book¡je says:

    Those who argue that ‘no real coach’ would coach for the Oilers organization fail to realize the hubris of most NHL head coaches and the fact that there are usually 2-3 head coaching jobs available each year in the NHL. In other words, the likelihood of getting a job as an NHL head coach is far less than a kid becoming an NHL player and far far less than winning the lottery.

  48. Gordies Elbow says:

    PhrankLee: Yeah, I said that earlier. And I like the idea of relegation because it puts more pressure on ownership to ice good teams.

    That’s the point. Ownership cares about making money, and only about making money. Taking Edmonton’s revenues out of the NHL pool? If it hasn’t happened in the last 9 years with a decrepit old building and limited revenue streams, it really won’t happen when the Oilers move into their fancy new rink.

  49. delooper says:

    Bobbin Roundlee:
    This is MacT saving his job. MacT was a better coach than he is proving to be a GM.

    Kevin Lowe was a better hockey player than GM or POHO.

    Are you suggesting this is a case of everyone being promoted until they become incompetent at their jobs?

  50. GCW_69 says:

    Darren Dreger ✔ @DarrenDreger
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    Kelly Buchberger will join OKC coaching staff on an interim basis as Oilers organizational shuffle continues.
    3:12 PM – 15 Dec 2014

    Called it.

    Barons go from being one of the best coached to one of the worst in one day.

  51. B S says:

    delooper:
    I’m not so sure this development is a positive.It seems like more of the same to me.Good coaches come to the Oilers and look bad.Good players come to the Oilers and look bad.Bad players leave the Oilers, and are rapidly rehabilitated into good NHL players who subsequently score goals against the Oilers at will. I feel like I’ve seen way too much of this since 2006.

    The only “good” coach (i.e. solid track record in last 5 years) to come to the Oilers since MacT left (and whether he is “good” is debatable as well) was Renney. Or do we include Krueger whose claim to fame was dragging a national team out of relegation and beating Canada that one time, or OTC resurrected from the land that time forgot?

    This is, and will probably continue to be, the fallacy of the Oilers, that they destroy good coaches. Nothing showed that Eakins was a good NHL coach (though I do hope he gets the chance to prove himself again somewhere) when he was hired, same with Nelson, though I wish him the best opportunity to do so. Krueger was the only one who could hold his own in this conference, and he was fired anyway.

    Edit: but I agree that there is no reason to believe this team will start winning yet, even if coaching was part of the problem I doubt it was the only part.

  52. Hammers says:

    Just got back in . Boy did I call it last night .

  53. Bobbin Roundlee says:

    delooper: Are you suggesting this is a case of everyone being promoted until they become incompetent at their jobs?

    After having spent thirty years in the media I can tell you some some of the best reporters made the absolute worst editors or managing editors.

    Everyone but the people in charge can or could see it. Do something well and your boss assumes that everything you touch becomes gold and that isn’t always the case.

    Every five or six years where I worked we would have a new managing editor or editor brought in from outside and within a year there would be a wholesale house cleaning because they had no ties to the history of the place and were not blinded by the nepotism that affects the Oilers.

    That is what is needed here.

  54. Derek says:

    “Since Nov. 9, the Oilers have had more press conferences (two) than wins (one).” — Josh Cooper @ puckdaddy.

  55. Pouzar says:

    Well we will see what Nelson can do with this squad.
    Last year it sure looked like the Jets quit on their coach and were devoid of any emotion.
    Then enter Paul Maurice and they are pushing for a playoff spot this year.
    Not saying the Oilers are playoff contenders but maybe this will increase the “give-a-f^ckness” of the players.

    Stauffer name dropped Hero, Lander and Marincin as possible eventual call ups as well.

  56. Bag of Pucks says:

    Just when I’m finally out, this team pulls me back in.

    Night and day difference btw today’s presser and the last one. Clearly the last presser was intended to send the players the message that mgmt had Eakin’s back with the hopes that vote of confidence would force the players towards more accountability and ultimately improved results. By eye, the accountability improved marginally but not the results, and as MacT confirmed today, the W/LLL record is ultimately what proved to be Dallas’ undoing.

    Of all the options available to him, I think MacT chose the best ones today. Put himself in the room for a time to confirm who the real cancers are, then test drive Nelson over the remainder of this lost season to see if he’s a legitimate HC candidate for the long term. Can see a couple big trades coming in the offseason if the team doesn’t improve over the remainder of this season especially if ‘cancers’ are detected.

    Eakins can take solace in the fact that the team’s last game under him was exactly the type of game he’d always wanted them to play. Stultifyingly boring defense first hockey with minimal chances against and 0 chances for. At least he got to paint his masterpiece before they took his fingerpaints away.

  57. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Just a little nuance I picked up in a re-run of MacT’s presser this morning. Eakins was let go for his “performance”. In the employment contract world that’s quite a meaningful word. As in, entitles the employer to terminate the employee “with cause” due to their inability to do their job.

    Now I’m not sure what Dallas’ contract required of him, and it’s possible that he will be given a generous severance, but also possible he wont be getting the rest of season plus 2 years to wander the tropical beaches of the world.

    We have enough lawyers on this blog to add some welcome insight here on employment law and just dismissal.

  58. kinger_OIL says:

    “Frank The Dog”: Did it ever occur to you that every NHL Head Coach is a rookie at least once in his NHL career?
    So, if someone is not a rookie then they are a failed HC. Of course, they usually fail because the team that they coached for were morons. Like the Oilers were with Eakins etc.
    I think Nelson is the most logical coach for this position. He’s not only known to the players and to the organization, but he’s also been successful in his role.
    I think I’d prefer a successful rookie who has never failed, to a failed head coach, in most situations.

    Doesn’t really matter though. Nelson will just be there long enough until he is succeeded by Bucky, how about to lead the Stanley Cup run in the new Arena. I wonder if Fleming sees the target on his back?

    Yes all rookie coaches don’t have experience to start. Maybe though when you hire 3 coaches in a row that have no track record in the NHL, and they don’t work out, you might look for one with experience? Especially with a team that is full of players who don’t know how to win in the NHL… No doubt the team plays “harder” for Todd, but I wish it was just MacT who took over the team, then they expose him and he gets fired at the end of the year: much cleaner. There is no way the players on this team have any respect for MacT anymore, and it must be a very difficult environment to be in: knowing that the guys in charge don’t have a clue. Winnipeg went out and got Maurice to help turn things around. I suspect no “real NHL coach would agree to coach the OIL, when over the last two weeks they started looking at replacing Dallas. An internal promotion was the only option available…I hope he does as poorly a job as Dallas: because drafting 4-8th is the most terrible outcome…I just want to know what was the process for the current firing and hiring: was it MacT again, alone, without consultation?

  59. Bling says:

    Tough for Eakins and his family, but there was just too much losing, as MacT alluded to.

    The real news is that Lander, Marincin and Iiro are coming up soon. I’ve been banging this drum for awhile now.

    Finally!

    We had to get one third of the way through the season and fire a coach, but it looks like we’ll be seeing the Edmonton Oilers dress their best available players.

  60. Hammers says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Also, at the very least now we can test out the hypothesis that Todd Nelson is a superior coach to Dallas Eakins. I happen to feel that he’s not, but I am happy that we’ll get the chance to see where the chips fall.

    My gut says Nelson will want Marincin & Lander . If McT does what he should do the players there right now better expect to work there asses off .McT used bag skating when he has to .

  61. Gordies Elbow says:

    So, prediction time. What’s the dead cat bounce from here?

    31 games played so far, with 7 wins.
    51 games to go, how many wins in the remaining games?

    I think that it’ll be 20.

  62. "Frank The Dog" says:

    kinger_OIL: Yes all rookie coaches don’t have experience to start.Maybe though when you hire 3 coaches in a row that have no track record in the NHL, and they don’t work out, you might look for one with experience?Especially with a team that is full of players who don’t know how to win in the NHL…No doubt the team plays “harder” for Todd, but I wish it was just MacT who took over the team, then they expose him and he gets fired at the end of the year: much cleaner. There is no way the players on this team have any respect for MacT anymore, and it must be a very difficult environment to be in: knowing that the guys in charge don’t have a clue.Winnipeg went out and got Maurice to help turn things around.I suspect no “real NHL coach would agree to coach the OIL, when over the last two weeks they started looking at replacing Dallas.An internal promotion was the only option available…I hope he does as poorly a job as Dallas: because drafting 4-8th is the most terrible outcome…I just want to know what was the process for the current firing and hiring: was it MacT again, alone, without consultation?

    I think coaches and players not wanting to come here is a big part of the equation and how surprising is that. Every HC position is a tough one, the new guy either has to cleanup other people’s mess, or they have to fill the big shoes of a successful coach that moved on.
    I don’t think Nelson was the only choice, I think Nelson was the best choice. Remember MacT could always have subbed Bucky in……

    Also shrewd move to move good friend Bucky out of a position in player development where he would surely have been canned in the cleanout. MacT’s nothing if not loyal to his own.
    #ThanksDaryl!

  63. Bobbin Roundlee says:

    Bling:

    The real news is that Lander, Marincin and Iiro are coming up soon. I’ve been banging this drum for awhile now.

    So does that mean that it was Eakins choice NOT to play them here?

  64. Hammers says:

    book¡je: Only thing that might happen is that the NHL president might make a call to an owner and say “Are you sure you don’t want to change things – its bad for the league and people are laughing at you?”

    I think Bettman just made that call and That’s why Eakins is gone . 1 step at a time .

  65. Bag of Pucks says:

    Also glad that MacT won’t be behind the bench for the remainder of the year.

    MacBlender was not a gifted offensive coach imo, so very happy that Nelson gets his shot.

    Wouldn’t it be something if Yak absolutely tore the cover off the ball in the 2nd half? For God’s sake, pull this kid off puck chasing duty along the boards, and setup him up as the late trailer in space looking for the dish. No doubt in my mind mind that Yaks shooting pct goes up exponentially if they consistently drive him to the top of the circle and then set some pick plays for him to get some longer looks.

    Here’s hoping that Nelson looks at tons of video of Stamkos and Hull. THAT is how to utilize Nail.

  66. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    So, prediction time. What’s the dead cat bounce from here?

    31 games played so far, with 7 wins.
    51 games to go, how many wins in the remaining games?

    I think that it’ll be 20.

    Best case 22. Worst case, 0, Bucky appointed head coach after claiming Todd’s success as his own.

    Edit: Anyone who would like me to stop posting on this blog, just get MacT to appoint Bucky as HC of the Oilers.

  67. Hammers says:

    delooper:
    I’m not so sure this development is a positive.It seems like more of the same to me.Good coaches come to the Oilers and look bad.Good players come to the Oilers and look bad.Bad players leave the Oilers, and are rapidly rehabilitated into good NHL players who subsequently score goals against the Oilers at will. I feel like I’ve seen way too much of this since 2006.

    Maybe a good coach comes and they start winning 50% of there games and just maybe Nelson is that man We knew we wouldn’t be in playoffs but most expected 50% of the points . If Nelson does that we will at least be back on track .

  68. Hammers says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Kitchener,

    Europe is not an option for Draisatl. He’s a CHL player, and the NHL-CHL agreement doesn’t allow for it.

    He’s with Edmonton or Prince Albert. Prince Albert could use him, they just had their 5th straight loss to the Medicine Hat Tigers.PA’s coached by former Oiler Marc Habscheid.

    Unless as stated when he signed his agreement was Oilers or Germany . That was going around when he signed .

  69. delooper says:

    Bling:
    The real news is that Lander, Marincin and Iiro are coming up soon. I’ve been banging this drum for awhile now.

    Was the GM fired? Marincin down in OKC was 100% MacTavish’s decision. All roster moves are.

  70. Gordies Elbow says:

    Hammers: Unless as stated when he signed his agreement was Oilers or Germany . That was going around when he signed .

    Sorry, the NHL CHL agreement is clear. He played for a CHL Junior team for two seasons, and was drafted out of that league. He doesn’t have the option.

  71. delooper says:

    B S: The only “good” coach (i.e. solid track record in last 5 years) to come to the Oilers since MacT left (and whether he is “good” is debatable as well) was Renney. Or do we include Krueger whose claim to fame was dragging a national team out of relegation and beating Canada that one time, or OTC resurrected from the land that time forgot?

    Kreuger’s team performed similarly to Renney’s, so does that not mean he’s good? What is the measure of “goodness” of a coach, other than the relative performance they can extract out of their team?

  72. book¡je says:

    “Frank The Dog”:
    Just a little nuance I picked up in a re-run of MacT’s presser this morning. Eakins was let go for his “performance”. In the employment contract world that’s quite a meaningful word. As in, entitles the employer to terminate the employee “with cause” due to their inability to do their job.

    Now I’m not sure what Dallas’ contract required of him, and it’s possible that he will be given a generous severance, but also possible he wont be getting the rest of season plus 2 years to wander the tropical beaches of the world.

    We have enough lawyers on this blog to add some welcome insight here on employment law and just dismissal.

    I am pretty certain that NHL contracts differ in that regard – basically, you get paid out for the duration regardless of outcome. This is because getting fired for performance is basically how all coaches lose their jobs in the NHL – its not like other industries.

  73. The Full Nelson says:

    Scott Cullen retweeted
    Bruce Arthur ‏@bruce_arthur 3m3 minutes ago
    .@DarrenDreger, on TSN Drive right now, just said he expects Taylor Hall to be in play between now and the trade deadline.

  74. Hammers says:

    Well some of us got 1 of our Christmas wishes . My guess is McT stays coaching for 10-15 games .Really this is the best that could happen right now . We have an NHL coach again like him or not and Hall & RNH & Ebs haven’t had that since Renney and Yak not at all . If nothing else I expect the right decisions on the ice especially on a game to game basis . Those that say McT was a defensive coach my answer is he typically got the best out of what he had . If we see a change in philosophy especially with the “D” then we know he let Eakins call his own shots with the players . Interesting times starting tomorrow night .

  75. Really? says:

    Who would have thought that when Taylor Hall splashed Eakins with water last season that the next thing that splashed on him would be shite.

  76. delooper says:

    The Full Nelson:
    Scott Cullen retweetedBruce Arthur ‏@bruce_arthur3m3 minutes ago
    .@DarrenDreger, on TSN Drive right now, just said he expects Taylor Hall to be in play between now and the trade deadline.

    I hope they have more creative ideas than that. Setting the rebuild to start at RNH is not a good sign.

  77. Hammers says:

    Gordies Elbow: Sorry, the NHL CHL agreement is clear. He played for a CHL Junior team for two seasons, and was drafted out of that league. He doesn’t have the option.

    If your right his not going anywhere except maybe the wing for some games .

  78. Bling says:

    The Full Nelson:
    Scott Cullen retweetedBruce Arthur ‏@bruce_arthur3m3 minutes ago
    .@DarrenDreger, on TSN Drive right now, just said he expects Taylor Hall to be in play between now and the trade deadline.

    This would be a gigantic mistake.

    Hall has his warts, but he’s far far far from being the problem.

    Get Lander/Iiro/Marincin here, bench the guys who suck, and see if you can add another D.

  79. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    I think my one positive to take out of today’s announcement is that I believe the tank is not on. I can not fathom why Nelson would sign on for that professional flogging. He is in it to win it. Whether he can or not is yet to be revealed, but he will not mail it in. Not a chance. Thank goodness.

  80. delooper says:

    Bling: This would be a gigantic mistake.

    Hall has his warts, but he’s far far far from being the problem.
    Get Lander/Iiro/Marincin here, bench the guys who suck, and see if you can add another D.

    If you could acquire a strong NHL centre for hall + a pretty decent prospect, you might be close to solving some problems. You could find out what you have in Yakupov, for example. Before Yakupov leaves for nothing.

  81. ashley says:

    The Full Nelson:
    Scott Cullen retweetedBruce Arthur ‏@bruce_arthur3m3 minutes ago
    .@DarrenDreger, on TSN Drive right now, just said he expects Taylor Hall to be in play between now and the trade deadline.

    Now that would be bold. And also the right call. Hall is going to miss the window here and could bring back a mighty return (Dmen, goalie, a center?) to better fit the younger cluster and would change the fate of this team overnight.

    Sometimes you have to let the kings go, and his value is at its peak today. 3 more years and he’ll be getting 10M/year and untradeable for help at C or D.

    Eberle, Yak, Schultz values are too low to make any significant improvement to this roster.

    Free Hall?

  82. barry.moore23 says:

    What does this mean for Hunter’s point total pool ?? Not even sure why I thought of that. I think i’m trying not to think of Bucky in OKC,’

    🙂

  83. rickithebear says:

    Gordies Elbow: Sorry, the NHL CHL agreement is clear. He played for a CHL Junior team for two seasons, and was drafted out of that league. He doesn’t have the option.

    Way to make the slave labour case for the suing CHL players!
    Yeah judge I know he can make $100,000 more in his home country.
    But the CHL -NHL contract says he has to stay in a Foriegn country and make nothing.

  84. Bling says:

    If the plan is to trade Hall and draft in the top 2 for another rebuild, count me out.

    This org is a joke.

    The last thing they should be contemplating is trading their best player.

    McTavish should have tendered his resignation at today’s PC.

  85. Derek says:

    I really don’t want to see Edmonton falling into the “blaming the best players on a bad team” trap, but what if you could make a Taylor Hall for OEL+ swap?

  86. The Full Nelson says:

    Bling: Hall has his warts, but he’s far far far from being the problem.

    I don’t think that anyone is saying it’s Hall’s fault, but they have to consider everything. If another GM is willing to overpay enough for Hall (23 yrs old, ~ 1.0 PPG), that has to be considered in moving this team forward. Doesn’t mean that Hall has to be moved.

  87. Bling says:

    delooper: If you could acquire a strong NHL centre for hall + a pretty decent prospect, you might be close to solving some problems.You could find out what you have in Yakupov, for example.Before Yakupov leaves for nothing.

    There is no indication that Yakupov will amount to half the player that Taylor Hall currently is.

    So LD/Nuge/Yak is the new cluster? Good lord.

    2 of those 3 are not guaranteed to be anything — sorry, that’s how the draft works.

    You must be young if you’d be willing to trade Hall to go through another rebuild.

    Insanity.

    He. Is. Not. The. Problem.

    Also: he has gone above and beyond what any young player should be asked to go through for this org.

    Katz needs to surround him with competent managers who can procure the right players to help him win here.

  88. prairieschooner says:

    Ryan Rishaug on Gregor saying that it is the culture of the players that was largely responsible for the firing.
    It seems to me that since Eakins joined the Oilers there are very few players left from previous regimes
    Are Hall Nuge and Ebs part of the problem ?
    Petry,
    MacT wanted wanted to go bigger and tougher he went bigger thats it mission fail

  89. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Bling:

    The last thing they should be contemplating is trading their best player.

    Who said anything about trading Nuge?

  90. frjohnk says:

    The Full Nelson:
    Scott Cullen retweetedBruce Arthur ‏@bruce_arthur3m3 minutes ago
    .@DarrenDreger, on TSN Drive right now, just said he expects Taylor Hall to be in play between now and the trade deadline.

    Why not put him in play, if there is good trade for the oilers that involves Hall, then you have to consider it.

    If you do trade him, probably better in the summer than at the deadline as there would be more teams in play in the summer

  91. "Frank The Dog" says:

    GXL:
    Oh great, now the Oilers can’t even loose properly. I have faith that Nelson will be able to right this ship. He’s an excellent coach and should of been given the reigns before Eakins. The only problem I see here is that he will be taking away the Oilers chances of landing MacDavid.

    GXL

    We need to get real about McDavid. The 30th place team only has a 20% chance of getting the #1 pick. The more likely outcome of finishing 30th would be Eichel.

    Even McDavid would not turn this team around, and that would be if he did sign here. McD would need a competent coaching staff, balanced lines, solid D pairs, and competent goaltending to take their team to the next level. This team under Dallas regrettably degenerated into such a dumpster tire fire that it melted the dumpster.

    I believe the better option from here on out is to re-earn the respect of the players in the rest of the league by fielding a competitive line up every single night, a team that is tough to play against and will run up the score if you take your foot off the gas. Sam says hello to the Blackhawks.

    A rejuvenated team will earn the right to be taken off players’ NMC’s and cause UFA’s to charge less of a premium for their services.

    Until the common denominator Assistant of every failing team from 2008/9 to 2013/4 turns up as HC, then all bets are off.

  92. Southern Oil says:

    Has Taylor Hall quietly asked for a trade?

  93. The Full Nelson says:

    Bling: He. Is. Not. The. Problem.

    No. Body. Said. He. Was.

  94. delooper says:

    Bling: There is no indication that Yakupov will amount to half the player that Taylor Hall currently is.

    Of course he’s not the problem. He’s the Oilers’ best asset. He’s proven, and entering his prime. You can get more back from Hall than any other player. You also have no idea how healthy Hall will be at the end of his contract. So long-term there is some uncertainty.

    If you keep him and the team continues to stink, you’ve wasted an asset. A good GM gets the most out of what they have. They don’t hold on to things too long hoping for magic. If you believe in Yakupov, you’d be giving him a chance (and much of the rest of the team a *better* chance) if you traded Hall for a solid NHL centre.

    I’m not saying it’s the right choice, but I can see why you’d consider it. Trading Yakupov now would be insanity. We don’t know what he can be.

  95. Bling says:

    Derek:
    I really don’t want to see Edmonton falling into the“blaming the best players on a bad team”trap, but what if you could make a Taylor Hall for OEL+ swap?

    So what?

    You’re shuffling chairs.

    They need DEPTH to win, and they need to start playing their best players, not trading their best player.

    Taylor Hall is elite, full stop.

    Detroit didn’t trade Yzerman when they were perennial losers, once upon a time. They built around him.

    Worked out for them, no?

  96. russ99 says:

    prairieschooner:
    Ryan Rishaug on Gregor saying that it is the culture of the players that was largely responsible for the firing.
    It seems to me that since Eakins joined the Oilers there are very few players left from previous regimes
    Are Hall Nuge and Ebs part of the problem ?
    Petry,
    MacT wanted wanted to go bigger and tougher he went bigger thats it mission fail

    MacT wanted to go Boston/Nashville, without the horses to do so, and 3-5 years too early based on the core players’ size and overall skill sets. So it’s just as much his fault as Eakins’.

    Dump the inane cycle for cycling’s sake and all these guys put up more points. The key is to have the team structure and accountability so they all show up when the puck is going the other way.

    But if they’re scoring and playing well, the commitment to the team game will be a much easier sell. This is where MacT/Eakins’ hardline stance failed, and maybe Nelson can succeed.

  97. flea says:

    If they trade Hall for a goalie, I’ll be disappointed. There are good goalies available every single year. This past summer – Miller, Hiller. Not as strong this year but maybe San Jose wants a change from Niemi, Neuvirth, Enroth, Dubnyk (ducks)

    If they are going to trade Hall, need to move him for a top center or a top defenceman. Not sure if the return is there but if they could pull it off it would be a positive.

    Let’s all start beating the Hall for OEL drum right now ok?? Maybe pry out Hanzal while they are at it.

  98. "Frank The Dog" says:

    The Full Nelson:
    Scott Cullen retweetedBruce Arthur ‏@bruce_arthur3m3 minutes ago
    .@DarrenDreger, on TSN Drive right now, just said he expects Taylor Hall to be in play between now and the trade deadline.

    In view of Taylor’s support for Eakins, has he just asked out?

  99. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    A few days ago, I said that it seemed inevitable at this point Eakins would get the boot. MacT, though, should be the one to wear this.

    He should step in and coach this team and either a) prove it was Eakins’ coaching by making this team respectable (i.e. .500+ from here on out), or b) admit he gave Eakins a flawed roster incapable of winning and fall on the sword himself at the end of this season, before the draft.

    Instead, Nelson is going to be given his “chance” in the NHL while learning on the fly the nuances of the league, playing in the tough West without the benefit of training camp, and still having to use the same flawed roster Eakins had to use. The cards are stacked against him.

    I feel bad for Eakins, I really do. And I feel bad for Nelson but am hoping he pulls off a miracle. MacT and co., though, I’m sorry but the man needs to go for this. And Buchberger? Really? This is just…no words for that.

  100. delooper says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: Who said anything about trading Nuge?

    That would be more insane than trading Hall. RNH is just starting to show us what he can be. And given the team’s current configuration, he’s one of only two NHL centres on the team. You’d need to get some serious magic back in return for an RNH trade. A Hall trade isn’t crazy.

  101. russ99 says:

    You can’t trade Hall and come out ahead at this point. That would be moving us even more closer to an Thrashers-like future.

    Hopefully MacT stands strong on that, and the next GM continues.

  102. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    “Frank The Dog”: In view of Taylor’s support for Eakins, has he just asked out?

    It wouldn’t surprise me if Hall has at last expressed his frustrations/concerns to MacT about yet another coaching change and lost season, and the fact he is tiring of this carousel.

    The Oilers probably have until the trade deadline, or the end of the season to turn things around and change his mind, otherwise, he probably will ask out before the draft. Just my guess.

  103. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    delooper: That would be more insane than trading Hall.RNH is just starting to show us what he can be.And given the team’s current configuration, he’s one of only two NHL centres on the team. You’d need to get some serious magic back in return for an RNH trade.A Hall trade isn’t crazy.

    Agreed. I was being cheeky to Bling’s comment that the Oilers shouldn’t trade their best player (their best player is Nuge).

  104. The Full Nelson says:

    “Frank The Dog”: The 30th place team only has a 20% chance of getting the #1 pick.

    Which is exactly why 30th place is so important now. Best odds on McDavid, and a guarantee of Eichel at worst – hell, maybe the lotto winner takes Eichel 1st.

    Even with the new lotto rules this year, having two players like McDavid and Eichel in the draft actually makes 30th place more important this season.

  105. Bling says:

    delooper: Of course he’s not the problem.He’s the Oilers’ best asset.He’s proven, and entering his prime.You can get more back from Hall than any other player.You also have no idea how healthy Hall will be at the end of his contract.So long-term there is some uncertainty.

    If you keep him and the team continues to stink, you’ve wasted an asset.A good GM gets the most out of what they have.They don’t hold on to things too long hoping for magic.If you believe in Yakupov, you’d be giving him a chance (and much of the rest of the team a *better* chance) if you traded Hall for a solid NHL centre.

    I’m not saying it’s the right choice, but I can see why you’d consider it.Trading Yakupov now would be insanity.We don’t know what he can be.

    This doesn’t make any sense.

    Belief should have nothing to do with anything — Nail Yakupov has shown precisely nothing to suggest he is on his way to becoming a top flight winger.

    I like his attitude, I like his work ethic, but the results are not there, and as WG demonstrated, he has been one of the most sheltered players in the NHL over the last two years.

    In order for him to become the top flight winger you envision, he would have to become MUCH better at killing the soft parade and THEN manage to maintain that production against top opposition, because that’s what Taylor Hall does.

    He just hasn’t shown it, man. His rookie year was buoyed by a ridiculous shooting percentage. If you get rid of that, you’re looking at a very mediocre player.

    This entire discussion is insane.

  106. Lowetide says:

    New post up.

  107. Derek says:

    Bling: So what?

    You’re shuffling chairs.

    They need DEPTH to win, and they need to start playing their best players, not trading their best player.

    Taylor Hall is elite, full stop.

    Detroit didn’t trade Yzerman when they were perennial losers, once upon a time. They built around him.

    Worked out for them, no?

    For every one successful Detroit – Yzerman story there are 5 Atlanta – Kovalchuk scripts. Trading Hall for an OEL like return isn’t a step back for a rebuild, its moving your most valuable asset from the wing to a more important position in a #1 defender.

    Hall is a wonderful hockey player playing at less than 100 percent right now and none of us know how much of that is injury, and how much of it is spending his entire career in a toxic environment, nor do we know whether or not he contributes to that environment. How much more turnover outside of the core of this team needs to be made before we start looking somewhere else?

  108. linkfromhyrule says:

    The Full Nelson:
    Scott Cullen retweetedBruce Arthur ‏@bruce_arthur3m3 minutes ago
    .@DarrenDreger, on TSN Drive right now, just said he expects Taylor Hall to be in play between now and the trade deadline.

    This is Dreger projecting and attempting to fuel the flames of speculation, pure and simple. If MacT wasn’t listening to offers on every player he wouldn’t be doing his job. I don’t think Hall will be traded unless it’s an overpay coming our way (I don’t even know what that feels like). That is a franchise altering move right there, but imo unless he’s bringing back a legit #1D it’s a step in the wrong direction.

  109. Bobbin Roundlee says:

    Why all the insecurity and paranoia about the players asking for trades? It sounds like an insecure boyfriend who is dating a 10 and dies a little every time a better looking guy walks by.

    Winners are born. These kids that were drafted high have that in their genes. I can’t see anyone asking for a trade not if they are signed for six million a year. A contract is a contract.

  110. Bobbin Roundlee says:

    linkfromhyrule: This is Dreger projecting and attempting to fuel the flames of speculation, pure and simple.

    Media today is more about ratings and click thrus than it is about actual hard facts. Dreger has speculated this before. Gretzy showed us that no one is untouchable. Sure, offer up Weber and Hall is gone but I can’t see a blockbuster happening for Hall.

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