NO. 15 PROSPECT (winter 2014) WILLIAM LAGESSON

 

William Lagesson is a player Oilers fan will enjoy (should he make the majors). The Swede has a reputation for playing hard-nosed hockey and packs a rugged style. The Oilers drafted him in the fourth round of possibly the craziest draft of the century—he might have been a second-round talent. Why the gap in rankings for Lagesson? Foot speed will be the issue.

PREVIOUSLY NUMBER FIFTEEN ON THE LIST

  • December 2004: R Troy Bodie (154)
  • December 2005: R Colin McDonald (124)
  • December 2006: D Jeff Petry (267)
  • December 2007: R Colin McDonald (124)
  • December 2008: G Devan Dubnyk (171)
  • December 2009: D Alex Plante (10)
  • December 2010: G Olivier Roy (0)
  • December 2011: D Brandon Davidson (4)
  • December 2012: D Joey Laleggia (0)
  • December 2013: R Tyler Pitlick (18)

Four of the men listed reached 100 NHL games, and Petry is an actual NHL player (Dubnyk may well be too, when all is said and done). McDonald and Bodie were/are unusual progressions/outliers and there are several top 60 picks in here who struggled at points during their time as prospects. That may bode well for a player like Tyler Pitlick but I believe these are such one offs at this point it’s a case by case.

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WHAT THEY SAID ON DRAFT DAY

 

  • Corey Pronman: “He’s a guy I had rated around 60. I’ve seen him play well many times, he’s a player I really like. At the U-18 level, in the tournament in February and in April, he was a top player for Sweden U-18s). He’s a physical defenseman he skates well and defends well. I don’t think he’s a sterling offensive player, but he has average puck moving ability. He won’t be in the World Juniors this year. I think this is a guy who is going to be a very good prospect and the Oilers got good value where they picked them.”
  • ISS Lagesson shows traits of a good two-way defender with some intrigue in the offensive zone as he displayed flashes of a big shot. Good mobility, foot speed and overall skating ability for a defenseman of his size. Good presence on the offensive  point, great shot that he is able to get through traffic and keeps it fairly low to the ground. Good release, doesn’t need a full wind-up to get pucks off. Physicality should be a bigger facet to his game to give him that defensive upside and promise that he shows on the puck. William shows a good basis for the two-way game with a good shot and mobility when running the offensive point.
  • McKeens: A favourite of coach Andres Eriksen at the 2014 World U18 Championships; Lagesson played quality minutes and finished the tournament with three goals .. a scrappy, physical hard-nosed competitor who competes for every inch on the ice .. an ‘in your face’type of defender who reacts quickly to loose pucks and is able to identify threats. Feet are subpar especially when defending in a reverse movement, resorting to skating forward which makes him easy to blow by .. speed and power is not quitethere yet despite having a short, stocky build with a developed core ..plays with sand paper and is not unlike Ulf Samuellson in his abilityto get under the opponents skin to goad them into penalties.
  • Elite Prospects: A strong defenseman that can put up some points, but plays more convincingly in his own zone. Likes to get involved in the rough stuff and has a pretty good physical game. Strong positionally, but could work some on his skating skills. (EP 2014)
  • Stu MacGregor: “He makes a good first pass and has some hockey sense but I can’t emphasize how much he wants to battle and compete. One-on-one he’s a warrior. Doesn’t hurt that he’s coming over here to get used to the ice surface. He’s probably going to college after Dubuque.”
  • Martin Lunden: “Solid pick at 91. made a huge impact in with jr team. 1st team coach loves him (former U20coach Rönnmark). good size, average+ puck handling. He doesn’t stand out in the SHL, but he’s a 17 y/o playing with men so no wonder. He doesn’t make a fool out of himself though..”

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PREVIOUS TOP 20 RANKING

  • Summer 2014: 13
  • Winter 2014: 15

Lagesson ranks behind defenders Darnell Nurse (No. 2), Oscar Klefbom (No. 3), Dillon Simpson (No. 8), Martin Gernat (No. 13) and Joey Laleggia (No. 14) on this year’s list. Like Lalaeggia, he is unique compared to the men in front of him. When you read ‘in your face’ as part of the bio, the only defenseman ahead of him who could be tagged with the same description is Nurse. Lagesson will be applying for the same job as David Musil and is a better skater.

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WHAT THEY’RE SAYING THIS SEASON

  • Lagesson on being part of Sweden’s WJ camp: “I’m really excited about it. It’s a great opportunity for me, and it’s going to be a great experience. I was a little surprised at first, but the (Team Sweden) coach came over and watched one of our games about two weeks ago, and that’s when I kind of knew I had a chance to make the team.” Source
  • Oliver David, Dubuque Associate Coach: “William is very strong, he’s an alpha dog out there on the ice. He is an imposing defenceman. His role on our team is to play big minutes. He has different D-partners week-to-week, day-to-day, primarily because he is a guy we can rely on. He does not rely on us to tell him what to do; he’s got a knack for the game and great space awareness. When he’s on the ice everybody in the building is aware of it. It’s not necessarily punishing hits, but he’s very very efficient with his movements. He’s got a good stick, he wins corner battles like no other that we’ve had here.” Source

THE FUTURE

We’re miles away from knowing if Lagesson is going to be an NHL player but there’s a lot to like. He’s a rugged player with good (not great) speed and some natural ability. Reading the scouting reports it sounds like we’re dealing with a raw player (similar to Gernat) who may not make much pro impact this decade. Fans need to think long, long term in regard to William Lagesson.

THE 2014 ENTRY DRAFT

  • Leon Draisaitl No. 3 overall and a splendid prospect. No. 1 overall prospect.
  • William Lagesson No. 91 overall and having a very good season in the USHL. No. 15 overall prospect.
  • Zach Nagelvoort, No. 111 overall. He started slowly but has improved. He is a candidate for the winter 20.
  • Liam Coughlin, No. 130 overall. He is back in the BCJHL and U Vermont is his destination for next year. Outside the 20.
  • Tyler Vesel, No. 153 overall. Also outside the 20, he’s having some success in Nebraska. Outside the 20.
  • Keven Bouchard, No. 183 overall. He’s struggled and lost his starting role. Outside the 20.

I think it’s already clear we are dealing with three legit prospects from the 2014 draft and an extreme flier in Vesel. Bouchard has been horrible and Coughlin is 20 and playing in the BCJHL while also being unable to score at a point-per-game. I don’t know how many kids with that resume have made the NHL, but they’re likely defensemen or goaltenders.

An example of the strange 2014 draft: Craig Button has Andrew Mangiapane at No. 48 in a very deep draft. I had him No. 52 in 2014. Math works.

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41 Responses to "NO. 15 PROSPECT (winter 2014) WILLIAM LAGESSON"

  1. Lowetide says:

    Darnell Nurse has impressive speed.

  2. VanOil says:

    Lowetide:
    Darnell Nurse has impressive speed.

    Tkachev can still play hockey.

  3. Clay says:

    Lowetide:
    Darnell Nurse has impressive speed.

    That preseason game where he got caught pinching but then seemingly skated back on a moving sidewalk and overtook everyone? That still may be the highlight of the year so far.

  4. Ryan says:

    World juniors is like manna from heaven for Oilers fans.

  5. JohnnyRocket says:

    Found this on the defunct Covered In Oil blog from October 2008. It is almost a perfect description of the current Oilers woes. (Substitute the player names yourself. It’s fun! Another fun fact: MacT was behind the bench at them too. If this isn’t a damning indictment of the upper management of the organization, I don’t know what is.

    1. The defence is weird. There are lots of intriguing pieces on the back end, but none of them are very well-rounded. Aside from Sheldon Souray and the glitteringly improved Denis Grebeshkov, who both have stood up well, Steve Staios has been okay, although he isn’t getting any faster. After that it sometimes feels like a sheer cliff. As impressive as a bench presser as I’ve seen, the 5’11 Lubomir Visnovsky still has a tough time chasing opponents in his own zone, with the faintest shades on Marc-Andre Bergeron haunting that end of the Oilers ice. Tom Gilbert has taken a big step back from last year, and the puck has had an uncanny way of squirting away from him whenever it gets the chance. Laco Smid hasn’t played as much, but you always have to wonder when he’s going to hit the ceiling, if he hasn’t already. Jason Strudwick has been okay as the 6th or 7th guy, but he shouldn’t be playing over 10 minutes a game like he has.

    2. The kid line doesn’t work. So far. They aren’t out there to prevent goals and they also aren’t scoring either, so yeah. It doesn’t help that Cogliano, Gagner and Nilsson are all young, smallish forwards playing on the same line.

    3. The fourth line is useless. I hate to go on about a line that traditionally plays 4-5 minutes a game, but Zack Stortini and Steve MacIntyre are right at that Mendoza Line of effectiveness. There is also too much overlap in regards to their tough guy roles. Kyle Brodziak is simply wasted there.

    4. The team is living and mostly dying by the sword. A traditional MacTavish team aggressively forechecks and uses the D to chip the puck towards the net or along the boards to create offence. While this is still somewhat true, the Oilers’ forwards have leaned on using their speed to generate a lot of their chances in transition. As great as that is, this “transition” that I speak of is usually a horrific scoring chance gift-wrapped for the opposition. As much as the press talks up the Oilers as a skilled team, there are at least a dozen more actually skilled teams with point-per-game players willing to trade chances with the Oilers.

    5. This team has stopped hitting. I think this is what MacTavish is talking about when he criticized the team’s perimeter game and lack of aggression. From what I’ve seen, the Oilers pursue the puck carrier pretty well, but aside from Ethan Moreau and Erik Cole, too many players don’t want to bulldoze to the net with the puck or target opposing defenceman for a big check. More chaos, please.

  6. JohnnyRocket says:

    Apologies for the spelling mistakes in the previous post. Damn iPhone!

  7. Mr DeBakey says:

    I heard the chatchat with that Bigmouth guy today.
    Man, he refuses to discuss facts.
    Refuses!
    Determination!

  8. stush18 says:

    LT,
    what was the decider on laleggia ahead of lagesson? Is it simply the offense? Im always a fan of skill but it seems like lagesson is a better shot at making the team, simply because of his size advantage and toughness? Foot speed is something that can be fixed, size unfortunately cant be, and teams love physical shut down guys.

  9. Lowetide says:

    stush18:
    LT,
    what was the decider on laleggia ahead of lagesson? Is it simply the offense? Im always a fan of skill but it seems like lagesson is a better shot at making the team, simply because of his size advantage and toughness? Foot speed is something that can be fixed, size unfortunately cant be, and teams love physical shut down guys.

    Laleggia has more of a track record and I regard his issue (size) as being less of an issue than Lagesson’s speed. There’s also some anecdotal evidence that Laleggia has improved in some areas. We don’t know that about Lageson.

  10. Derek says:

    Nurse looks like pretty much everything Edmonton needs right now. It sure would be nice if they could fast forward through the next 3 years of his development.

  11. Pouzar says:

    Nice sequence by Nurse there. Takes out the Russian winger behind his net coming off a rush, takes puck after rubbing out winger, then goes coast to coast and gains blue line, drops it for the forward for a nice chance on goal.

  12. Pouzar says:

    Dat reach.

  13. Salt N Peca says:

    If Fucale is the starter for the WJC, i’m going to lose my shit.

  14. freedomisamyth says:

    LT, Coughlin has 38pts in 32 games. despite starting the season with 2 pts in the first 7 games.

  15. Woodguy says:

    freedomisamyth:
    LT, Coughlin has 38pts in 32 games. despite starting the season with 2 pts in the first 7 games.

    He’s also 20 years old playing in the B league.

    A 20 year old barely past 1pt/gm in WHL is a yawner.

    In the BCJHL it means nothing.

  16. Woodguy says:

    Team Canada cuts Dal Colle.

  17. flyfish1168 says:

    excellent article on Anton from Neal Livingston

    http://www.tendthefarm.com/davidson-back-okc-lander-edmonton/

    Hopefully with Nelson as coach Anton will feel more comfortable and excel.

  18. flyfish1168 says:

    Yahoo seven straight. You can put another one in the loss column

  19. Surly says:

    flyfish1168:
    Yahooseven straight. You can another one on the loss column

    Haha…Feaster lives in a glass house.

  20. G Money says:

    I hear a lot of Flames fans these days here in Calgary, desperately searching for answers to the sudden and unexpected (to them) shittiness of their team.

    Blame the veterans!

    Blame the coach!

    Blame the goalies!

    Blame something because after all, that long winning run based on a ludicrous sh% and implausible comebacks after being badly outplayed were somehow reality, and this horrible shit-stained Oiler-like losing streak is the anomaly.

    Their wailing is music.

    Their tears are ambrosia.

  21. Yak2 says:

    The kid’s been compared to Niklas Kronwall from DET. If he’s anything half that, then we’ve got a gem. I believe he does make the NHL and is a part of the group of D that is going to be elite. Nurse-Klefbom, Lagesson-Marincin. Ooohhh baby

    He was also featured on the Oilers “Future Watch” a few days ago:

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=744486&navid=DL|EDM|home

  22. oilersfan says:

    I would like to share with my fellow oilers fans a text I. Just sent to the fan960 in Calgary. First There was Mark Antoine Jankowski now they have Johnny Hawgood…

    Hey guys the oiler fans who listen to your shows would like to point out that hockey commentators who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Your own tire fire is smoldering nicely and it is gratifying to see Johnny Hawgood following in the path of his namesake Greg in sizzling prepro numbers, a hot start to his rookie season, and what looks to be a long minor pro career with a few more cups of coffee around the league. Sam Gagner also says hi.
    Regression to the mean is always a bitch to mediocre high flyers.
    Brad in edmonton.

  23. oilersfan says:

    I am rarely logged in so while i am i wanted to make a comment regarding regular posts suggesting it is only a matter of time before Hall or other young stars ask out of the oilers … I just want to point out that would be a ridiculous request because one of the main reasons the oilers suck so much is those players haven’t been good enough . I love Taylor hall but they have lost around 20 games by one goal and if he doesnt like the losing here’s an idea – score a fucking goal you are a first overall pick!

    I suspect they all agree with this sentiment and is exactly why they haven’t asked to be traded. – they know they have been part of the problem and still hope to be part of the solution.

    Brad in St. Albert three blocks from alan

  24. flyfish1168 says:

    G Money:
    I hear a lot of Flames fans these days here in Calgary, desperately searching for answers to the sudden and unexpected (to them) shittiness of their team.

    Blame the veterans!

    Blame the coach!

    Blame the goalies!

    Blame something because after all, that long winning run based on a ludicrous sh% and implausible comebacks after being badly outplayed were somehow reality, and this horrible shit-stained Oiler-like losing streak is the anomaly.

    Their wailing is music.

    Their tears are ambrosia.

    I live in a much better place now with the phlegms loosing. I’m betting it hits 8 games after tomorrow night.

  25. RexLibris says:

    Further to the Flames current situation, WoI has some interesting data at the bottom of the game page.

    In chart form they show the differentials in shots and then plot them out for each team by Shots, Blocked, Missed and Goals in the graphic below that.

    Very interesting to scan it and poke some holes in the narratives of “team A scores because they go to the tough areas” and so on.

    http://war-on-ice.com/game1.html?seasongcode=2014201520478

    We knew the Flames were going to struggle at some point and that the run wasn’t sustainable. By the same token it is unlikely they are 7-game-losing-streak bad. It doesn’t mean they couldn’t stretch this to ten games, but it certainly is adding some interesting sidestories to their season. Especially with Hartley recently extended and the gloating that was going on amongst the fan base, and let’s not forget the media both local and national, a few short weeks ago.

  26. RexLibris says:

    On another note, had a look at the FenClose rankings this evening.

    Edmonton is 49.4% right now, right behind LA at 49.7%.

    Now, that and $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee, but we do like to emphasize the process here, so take from it what you will.

  27. freedomisamyth says:

    Woodguy: He’s also 20 years old playing in the B league.

    A 20 year old barely past 1pt/gm in WHL is a yawner.

    In the BCJHL it means nothing.

    I wasn’t saying it because I thought he was a good prospect, just pointing out that LT was factually incorrect when he said ‘ playing in the BCJHL while also being unable to score at a point-per-game’ about him. I know everyone likes to dump on the pick but at least be accurate with your lamenting.

  28. Woodguy says:

    freedomisamyth: I wasn’t saying it because I thought he was a good prospect, just pointing out that LT was factually incorrect when he said ‘ playing in the BCJHL while also being unable to score at a point-per-game’ about him. I know everyone likes to dump on the pick but at least be accurate with your lamenting.

    Fair.

  29. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris:
    On another note, had a look at the FenClose rankings this evening.

    Edmonton is 49.4% right now, right behind LA at 49.7%.

    Now, that and $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee, but we do like to emphasize the process here, so take from it what you will.

    Best predictive shot metric is Score Adjusted Fenwick

    Much better than “close” especially in smaller samples due to “close” not counting a number of fenwick events.

    Oilers are 21st with 48.2% today:

    http://fenwick-stats.com/

    Team SA
    CHI 55.1
    T.B 55
    MIN 54.5
    NYI 54
    PIT 53.8
    NSH 53.4
    DET 52.9
    STL 52.7
    WPG 52.5
    WSH 52.2
    L.A 52
    S.J 52
    FLA 51.5
    BOS 51.1
    VAN 51.1
    ANA 51
    CAR 50.8
    DAL 50.7
    NYR 49.4
    MTL 48.9
    EDM 48.2
    PHI 47.9
    ARI 47.8
    N.J 47.5
    CGY 46.1
    CBJ 45.8
    OTT 45.4
    TOR 45.4
    COL 44.6
    BUF 36.7
    AVG 50

  30. eidy says:

    freedomisamyth,

    Does anyone know the story on how come he ended up back in the BCHL. The oilers thought process on overage BCHL players is not one I am a huge fan of. However, neither Coughlin or Campbell are at fault for this. The amateur scouting department/oilers made the selection.

    Campbell is having a really good year at UMass Lowell. Coughlin started rough (who knows if he was still shaken from his summer where he was in such flux), but has been coming on strong lately. He is in around top 10 in scoring and I know that he should be, but he is and that is something.

    I feel for these kids and would have hated to be under the microscope when I was that age. I was a 2 sport college athlete on scholarship in the states in the mid to late 90’s. Between that and pre med, it was a full load. I am forever thankful that youtube, twitter, cell phone videos/photos (less commonly used), etc weren’t there to document those years.

    I guess what I am saying is that I don’t blame them for being drafted. I just cheer for them and follow them out of interest to see if their lottery ticket comes through.

    Interesting that a favourite of Red Line and the BCHL player I had hopes on, Dexter Dancs, is trailing Aiden Muir in points. Muir was drafted one year earlier, but is actually younger than Dancs.

  31. Pouzar says:

    Sweet baby jezzuz….I agree!

    Steve Lansky ‏@bigmouthsports 12h12 hours ago
    Reasonably impressed with Darnell Nurse tonight. Kinda reminds me of Chris Pronger Lite. #2015WJC

  32. Pouzar says:

    Don’t look now but your Florida Panthers are ahead of the Bruins by 1 point for the final WC spot in the east with 3 games in hand. Why can’t we have re-builds like that?

  33. frjohnk says:

    Pouzar:
    Sweet baby jezzuz….I agree!

    Steve Lansky ‏@bigmouthsports12h12 hours ago
    Reasonably impressed with Darnell Nurse tonight. Kinda reminds me of Chris Pronger Lite.#2015WJC

    Still raw, but wow he looks good.

    He might be the most important pick that we need to cover the bet. So far so good.

  34. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk: Still raw, but wow he looks good.

    He might be the most important pick that we need to cover the bet.So far so good.

    He’s the backbone to rebuild 3.0 “down the middle” (Nurse, McEichel, Nuge, Drai).
    Now to get that goalie.

  35. Ryan says:

    Woodguy,

    WG, where can you find the rolling fenclose team graphs like extraskater used to have?

  36. frjohnk says:

    Pouzar: He’s the backbone to rebuild 3.0 “down the middle” (Nurse, McEichel, Nuge, Drai).
    Now to get that goalie.

    Yup.
    With Klefbom, our Blue line future depth looks promising.

    Domi on Nurse, ” he’s probably the hardest player to play against in the OHL”
    http://www.tsn.ca/video/wjhc-domi-nurse-push-each-other-to-be-better-1.161571

    As greatly skilled our forwards were in junior, none had a quote about them like the one above for Nurse.

    He is gonna be a beatuty.

  37. Ryan says:

    freedomisamyth: I wasn’t saying it because I thought he was a good prospect, just pointing out that LT was factually incorrect when he said ‘ playing in the BCJHL while also being unable to score at a point-per-game’ about him. I know everyone likes to dump on the pick but at least be accurate with your lamenting.

    Dan Hodgson says hello.

  38. Woodguy says:

    Pouzar:
    Don’t look now but your Florida Panthers are ahead of the Bruins by 1 point for the final WC spot in the east with 3 games in hand. Why can’t we have re-builds like that?

    FLA 2nd in NHL in 5v5 SV%

    That’s why.

  39. Woodguy says:

    Ryan:
    Woodguy,

    WG, where can you find the rolling fenclose team graphs like extraskater used to have?

    Not sure.

    waronice allows you to compare teams over any time period that you specify, that would probably work.

  40. Bruce McCurdy says:

    RexLibris: Now, that and $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee

    You don’t do $tarbuck$, do you, Rex?

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